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| 00:12 | cait joined #koha | |
| 00:15 | cait | :) |
| 00:17 | noone here? :) | |
| 00:17 | * jcamins | is. |
| 00:20 | cait | hi jcamins :) |
| 00:20 | jcamins | Hello. |
| 00:21 | rangi | hi cait |
| 00:21 | cait | hi rangi :) |
| 00:22 | eythian | hi |
| 00:22 | wahanui | hey, eythian |
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| 00:40 | jcamins | tcohen: BTW, thanks for the hint about TexLive 2012. |
| 00:40 | tcohen | u r welcome |
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| 02:49 | rangi | atz++ |
| 02:53 | eythian | I assume you're aiming for +++ATH0 |
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| 02:57 | bag | oh what did atz do now? |
| 02:58 | rangi | good answer on the sec4lib mailing list |
| 02:58 | bag | ahh not on it |
| 02:59 | sec4lib? sounds rough no? | |
| 02:59 | rangi | security .. its really low traffic |
| 03:00 | bag | right rough |
| 03:01 | rangi | :) |
| 03:12 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #223 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 03:46 | rangi | bug 9027 |
| 03:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9027 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , How to do proper setting for cataloging module? |
| 03:46 | rangi | vaguest bug ever |
| 03:49 | eythian | I think they're really after the manual perhaps. |
| 03:49 | rangi | yeah |
| 03:52 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #223: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/223/ |
| 03:52 | * m.de.rooy: 7805 Exposing the new list permissions in opac and staff | |
| 03:52 | * m.de.rooy: 7805 Followup for perlcritic messages | |
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| 04:42 | bag | marc 710? |
| 04:43 | @marc 710 | |
| 04:43 | huginn | bag: An added entry in which the entry element is a corporate name. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,k,l,m,n,o,p,r,s,t,u,x,3,4,5,6,8] |
| 04:43 | bag | @marc indictors 710 |
| 04:43 | huginn | bag: unknown field/subfield combination (indictors/710) |
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| 05:01 | Manderson | Pardon my ignorance, but if a bibliographic record gets stuck in the 'reservoir', how do I get it out and in to the catalog? |
| 05:02 | eythian | when cataloguing, you can search the reservoir I think. |
| 05:02 | So you catalogue based on that record, and when you save it, it'll be in the catalogue. | |
| 05:02 | Alternately, if it's there as part of a staged MARC file, you can import it through the interface for sorting that stuff | |
| 05:03 | (which is under "Tools") | |
| 05:16 | mtj | sheesh, i just spotted a tweet from liblime about a solr commit they've pushed, 60 days ago... |
| 05:16 | [solr-squash e54b8e3] Replace Zebra/YAZ with Solr | |
| 05:16 | 140 files changed, 11247 insertions(+), 15250 deletions(-) | |
| 05:17 | … yet their repo is 7 months old? -> https://github.com/liblime/LibLime-Koha | |
| 05:20 | BobB | hi |
| 05:21 | does anyone know if the en-nz translation is actively maintained? | |
| 05:22 | I just applied it to a 3.8.6 koha and there's still use of terms like check-in and check-out, and catalogue has lost is ue | |
| 05:22 | mtj | BobB, afaik, it is |
| 05:22 | BobB | thx mtj, some clients are keen to switch |
| 05:23 | mtj | im not sure which kiwi has been maintaining the file, chris/robin will prolly know |
| 05:24 | rangi | Hmm? |
| 05:24 | BobB | I should find out how to contribute to that .... need longer days. :( |
| 05:24 | rangi | What would I know? |
| 05:24 | BobB | aww go on |
| 05:25 | rangi | (no scroll back on this phone) |
| 05:25 | BobB | I just asked if the en-nz translation in 3.8.6 is complete? |
| 05:25 | mtj | whos been recently contributing/maintaining the NZ po files , for koha |
| 05:25 | BobB | It doesn't look like it |
| 05:25 | rangi | Ahh |
| 05:25 | Me | |
| 05:26 | Yep | |
| 05:26 | The release notes should tell you :) | |
| 05:26 | mtj | Koha 3.8 Complete845172012-10-17 12:30 (chrisc) |
| 05:26 | http://translate.koha-community.org/en_NZ/ | |
| 05:26 | BobB | Me? Look up the release notes? :) |
| 05:27 | There's still some check-ins and check-outs, its seems | |
| 05:29 | hang on, I just tested again and didn't see it. Might get back to you on this one. | |
| 05:30 | bag | mtj? |
| 05:30 | wahanui | i heard mtj was a danger to bots everywhere. |
| 05:30 | bag | darn - but anyways heya mason and hey Bob |
| 05:33 | mtj | hay bag, hows the ginny going? |
| 05:33 | bag | Awesome!!! thanks for asking |
| 05:33 | BobB | hi bag |
| 05:33 | mtj | she keepin' you on your toes :) |
| 05:33 | bag | she's a big time smiler and giggler |
| 05:34 | BobB | did she vote for Obama? |
| 05:34 | bag | She was wearing a "powered by Koha" onesie the other day :) (the staff got us that one ;) ) |
| 05:34 | BobB | very cool |
| 05:38 | mtj | ginny++ |
| 05:39 | bag | yup ginny++ |
| 05:50 | BobB | rangi the en-nz translation looks great, thank you |
| 05:51 | rangi | Sweet |
| 06:36 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 06:40 | rangi | hey wizzyrea |
| 06:40 | wahanui | i think wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans. |
| 06:41 | magnuse | kia ora wizzyrea |
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| 06:46 | rangi | wb wizzyrea |
| 06:46 | wizzyrea | ty hi |
| 06:46 | rangi | hey magnuse howd your conf go? |
| 06:46 | magnuse | good! |
| 06:46 | lots of positive response | |
| 06:46 | rangi | i saw a blog post, it looked like people enjoyed it |
| 06:46 | excellent | |
| 06:46 | magnuse | no definitive new customers yet of course, but i keep my fingers crossed |
| 06:47 | cait did a great job talking about koha worldwide of course | |
| 06:47 | rangi | excellent :) |
| 06:48 | magnuse | and i was reminded that i never really figured out how to use authorities with normarc in koha... |
| 06:48 | which was kind of bad, 'cause oslo public library was really wondering about that... | |
| 06:48 | rangi | ahhh |
| 06:49 | jcamins probably can help with that | |
| 06:49 | magnuse | yeah, that was my first thought too :-) |
| 06:49 | normarc does not have a "framework" for authorities, so i'm thinking i have to steal the one from marc21 and see if that works | |
| 06:50 | rangi | yeah |
| 06:50 | magnuse | i guess you saw this? http://buskerud.fylkesbibl.no/[…]teksystemet-koha/ - published at the end of the day by one of the attendees. yay! |
| 06:50 | rangi | sounds like a plan |
| 06:50 | yep good write up | |
| 06:51 | magnuse | yeah, very cool |
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| 06:51 | francharb | hi |
| 06:52 | magnuse | hiya francharb and drojf |
| 06:52 | francharb | 0/ magnuse |
| 06:52 | magnuse | \o |
| 06:53 | rangi | heya francharb and drojf |
| 06:53 | drojf | hi magnuse and francharb |
| 06:53 | francharb | 0/ rangi drojf |
| 06:53 | drojf | europe's up early ;) |
| 06:54 | francharb | \0/ |
| 06:56 | magnuse | cait and i also got a guided tour of http://www.popsenteret.no/ - by the guy who created their it infrastructure |
| 06:56 | everything in the mueseum is controlled and fed by semantic data in a triplestore - send the system the right message and all the displays in the whole museum can be changed | |
| 06:56 | very impressive! | |
| 06:57 | drojf | cool |
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| 07:03 | rangi | cool! |
| 07:34 | magnuse | yay! |
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| 07:34 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:35 | magnuse | hiya reiveune |
| 07:35 | reiveune | salut magnuse :) |
| 07:36 | * magnuse | tries to think of a book that every library in the nexpress catalogue would have |
| 07:37 | rangi | twilight probably |
| 07:37 | or harry potter | |
| 07:37 | magnuse | ah, of course |
| 07:38 | thanks rangi - and sily me for not thinking of harry potter! | |
| 07:38 | yeah, twilight had some perfect examples | |
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| 08:04 | alex_a_ | bonjour |
| 08:04 | wizzyrea | 50 shades of grey :P |
| 08:04 | rangi | hey alex_a_ |
| 08:05 | alex_a_ | salut rangi |
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| 08:11 | lds | Hello |
| 08:12 | rangi | hi lds and matts |
| 08:13 | wizzyrea | magnuse: also john grisham |
| 08:13 | or evanovich | |
| 08:14 | matts | hi ! |
| 08:16 | lds | hi rangi !! |
| 08:18 | magnuse | wizzyrea: thanks, twilight worked nicely |
| 08:18 | wizzyrea | good stuff :) |
| 08:19 | magnuse | is there a way to not show the names of all the libraries that have the book in the results list? |
| 08:19 | just show "15 copies available" or something? | |
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| 08:30 | magnuse | nah, doesn't look like it is possible at the moment, but that it should be an easy enh |
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| 08:30 | magnuse | kia ora trea! |
| 08:30 | trea | kia ora magnuse! |
| 08:30 | magnuse | yay! |
| 08:31 | how's life in the antipodes? | |
| 08:31 | trea | good, good. just taking it easy |
| 08:33 | magnuse | nice |
| 08:48 | @later tell cait: looks like my permissions for nb-NO 3.10 are still not quite right | |
| 08:48 | huginn | magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
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| 09:03 | paul_p | hi trea ! |
| 09:03 | trea | hi paul_p! |
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| 09:06 | paul_p | trea = so all the family will work on Koha all around the world ? do you have a boy, a sister, an uncle or a grand-ma we could hire at BibLibre ? So we could say "Rea rulez them all" :D :D |
| 09:07 | trea | well, my mom is retired and looking for a hobby |
| 09:07 | cait joined #koha | |
| 09:07 | trea | perhaps we can convince her to come to france |
| 09:07 | :D | |
| 09:07 | * cait | waves |
| 09:07 | * trea | waves to cait |
| 09:08 | cait | :) |
| 09:09 | wizzyrea | lol paul_p |
| 09:09 | paul_p | hi cait & wizzyrea |
| 09:10 | wizzyrea | also hi cait :) |
| 09:10 | cait | hi wizzyrea and paul_p |
| 09:10 | wizzyrea | good morning :) |
| 09:10 | bag | and I'm going to bed - night all :) have an excellent day |
| 09:11 | trea | hey night bag |
| 09:12 | rangi | hi cait |
| 09:12 | cait | night bag |
| 09:12 | hi rangi :) | |
| 09:19 | magnuse | hiya cait - made it home all right? |
| 09:21 | cait | yep |
| 09:21 | no problems | |
| 09:21 | only a little delay from berlin to stuttgart | |
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| 09:24 | magnuse | yay |
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| 10:30 | vfernandes | hi guys :) |
| 10:32 | anyone had sucessfully updated a koha 2.2.X to 3.8? | |
| 10:32 | which could be the best way? | |
| 10:41 | slef | vfernandes: export catalogue, import again |
| 10:44 | vfernandes | the client wants to mantain the circulation history |
| 10:44 | so a new migration is the last option... | |
| 10:45 | if I install the 3.0 the database isn't updated? | |
| 10:46 | slef | could see how much the history tables have changed but I suspect at least you'd want to step via 3.0, then to 3.8 running the special 3.4 item-splitter. |
| 10:46 | vfernandes | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Upgrading_2.2 |
| 10:47 | i'm seeing this page to update 2.2 to 3.0 | |
| 10:47 | then I've to update to 3.8 | |
| 10:47 | It will be a hard proccess | |
| 10:53 | thanks slef | |
| 10:54 | slef | vfernandes: no worries. Good luck! |
| 10:56 | vfernandes | i'll need it eheheh |
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| 12:36 | chris_n | heya paul_p |
| 13:12 | libsysguy | geez koha looks bad when the javascript is turned off |
| 13:16 | paul_p | hi chris_n (&others) |
| 13:16 | chris_n i've other patches for release tools ;-) | |
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| 13:16 | paul_p | does someone know a perl library to store permanently the content of a variable on the disk & recover it quickly ? |
| 13:18 | Storable... | |
| 13:18 | wahanui | hmmm... storable is yellow and Graphics::Magick |
| 13:23 | magnuse | paul_p: use YAML? |
| 13:23 | libsysguy | storable serializes the variable |
| 13:24 | err object | |
| 13:24 | paul_p | magnuse = Storable is what I need |
| 13:24 | magnuse | okelydokely :-) |
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| 13:27 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 13:28 | libsysguy | oleonard! I was just thinking about you |
| 13:29 | oleonard | Aw, that's very sweet |
| 13:29 | libsysguy | heh |
| 13:29 | indeed it is | |
| 13:29 | sweet sprinkled with javascript | |
| 13:30 | I was uisng HTTP::Recorder and HTTP::Proxy to autogen WWW::Mechanize scripts but it disables javascript | |
| 13:30 | paul_p | good morning oleonard ( oleonard from OH, the US state we speak once every four years in France ;-) ) |
| 13:30 | libsysguy | and it is hard to navigate |
| 13:30 | its not just france paul_p | |
| 13:31 | paul_p | libsysguy = probably, but I just listen french news ;-) |
| 13:31 | libsysguy | spoken like a true frenchman :p |
| 13:35 | paul_p | libsysguy :p :p |
| 13:36 | libsysguy is "I only listen french news" better ? | |
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| 13:38 | libsysguy | heh paul_p I just have this image of a tall slender guy smoking a cig at all times as you |
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| 13:38 | paul_p | libsysguy me smoking a cig ? definetely not me !!!! |
| 13:39 | oleonard | He got the tall part at least :) |
| 13:39 | libsysguy | hehe I just assumed all french men smoked ;) |
| 13:40 | oleonard | chris_n around? |
| 13:40 | @later tell chris_n Could you take a look at Bug 9017? Not sure what the best solution is. | |
| 13:40 | huginn | oleonard: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:42 | oleonard | The description of Bug 9029 sounds like the behavior I would expect |
| 13:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9029 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , location switches under certain time-out conditions |
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| 14:05 | chris_n | paul_p: patches pushed |
| 14:05 | oleonard: looking | |
| 14:05 | paul_p | chris_n = new ones coming soon :D |
| 14:05 | chris_n | cool |
| 14:05 | full-automation++ | |
| 14:13 | oleonard: iirc the extension imposed some limitations on DT which I could not work around | |
| 14:15 | I'll look at it a bit more once I get my dev foo back up and working today | |
| 14:15 | oleonard | If you think mveron's solution is the best one, please add a comment and remove "failed qa" (or sign off). I just hoped we could do it the "right" way |
| 14:15 | chris_n | k |
| 14:16 | I attempted to ensure translation would work, so we should be able to fix it one way or another | |
| 14:17 | jcamins_away | paul_p++ |
| 14:26 | jcamins | paul_p: around? |
| 14:26 | paul_p | jcamins yep |
| 14:27 | jcamins | paul_p: there was a reason for the -s in the T::T tags. |
| 14:27 | They remove excess whitespace. | |
| 14:27 | paul_p | really ? unknown feature from me ! how does it work ? |
| 14:27 | (because sometimes it's at the beginning, sometimes at the end) | |
| 14:28 | jcamins | [%- removes excess whitespace before the tag. |
| 14:28 | -%] removes excess whitespace after the tag. | |
| 14:28 | paul_p | OK, i'll reintroduce them quickly |
| 14:29 | jcamins | If you want I can do that. |
| 14:29 | chris_n | so do we need a test suite for the release tools? ;-) |
| 14:29 | jcamins | I have some additional patches to push to my release-tool.pl script. |
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| 14:30 | fudm | Good day House |
| 14:31 | Am Olumide a system adminsitrator in a Nigerian Institution | |
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| 14:31 | oleonard | Hi fudm |
| 14:31 | fudm | we just installed Koha for use as an E-library tool |
| 14:31 | Hi oleonard | |
| 14:31 | We are presently having challenges with the indexing | |
| 14:32 | indexing i mean client having access to catalogued items | |
| 14:33 | Installation was successful and we have cataloged some few items | |
| 14:33 | any advice on way out | |
| 14:34 | jcamins | paul_p: I will add the missing '-'s, since I have push access. |
| 14:34 | And we can ask gmcharlt to give you push access to release-tools later. | |
| 14:34 | faq? | |
| 14:34 | wahanui | i think faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ |
| 14:34 | jcamins | fudm: ^^ the FAQ has troubleshooting information. |
| 14:34 | second question? | |
| 14:34 | wahanui | rumour has it second question is "What is the exact error message?" |
| 14:34 | fudm | oleanard: read somethings about Zebra indexing, which i followed the instructions while installing Koha |
| 14:34 | jcamins | No, not that question. |
| 14:35 | Third question? | |
| 14:35 | wahanui | it has been said that Third question is "What version of Koha are you using?" http://koha-community.org/faq/[…]ion-koha-running/ |
| 14:35 | jcamins | That question. |
| 14:35 | :) | |
| 14:35 | fudm | but still same error |
| 14:35 | No results match your search for 'kw,wrdl: chemistry' in Federal University,Dutsin-ma.Library Catalog. | |
| 14:35 | jcamins | Yeah, I didn't mean to ask the second question. I wanted the third question. |
| 14:36 | fudm | anyone helping out please |
| 14:36 | jcamins | fudm: what version of Koha are you using? |
| 14:37 | I also pointed you to a FAQ. | |
| 14:37 | fudm | am using 3.08.06 on Ubuntu 11.10 |
| 14:37 | jcamins | How did you install Koha? |
| 14:38 | chris_n | paul_p: you should be able to push to the release tool repo now |
| 14:38 | jcamins | paul_p: I can still add the missing '-'s since I already started on it. |
| 14:40 | chris_n | we'll just have to be careful that we don't have a git collision :-) |
| 14:40 | jcamins | Right. |
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| 14:41 | * chris_n | wonders if we should be doing pulls and pushes rather than rebase with that repo |
| 14:42 | jcamins | chris_n: yes, except for when we forget to push patches, in which case we need to rebase our local changes on master. |
| 14:42 | chris_n | right |
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| 14:43 | fudm | i lost connection |
| 14:44 | jcamins | fudm: how did you install Koha? Packages? |
| 14:45 | paul_p | jcamins = probable git collision. please wait until I push my current patch |
| 14:45 | fudm | :jcamins: I installed all over the internet |
| 14:46 | :jcamins: i followed instructions found on koha wiki site | |
| 14:46 | jcamins | fudm: which instructions? |
| 14:46 | paul_p: okay, let me know when you've done that. | |
| 14:46 | fudm | :jcamins: installing Koha on Ubuntu 11.10 |
| 14:47 | paul_p | does someone know how to / what define the terminal width ? |
| 14:47 | fudm | :jcamins: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu |
| 14:47 | paul_p | my script retrieve bugzilla comments in 80 char size, that's not what I'm expecting... |
| 14:47 | jcamins | paul_p: I do not, sorry. |
| 14:48 | fudm: did you use packages or tarball? | |
| 14:49 | fudm | :jcamins: packages |
| 14:49 | wahanui | well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 14:49 | paul_p | and the answer is = stty cols 80 |
| 14:49 | fudm | :jcamins:packages i assume! i dont know the diff between packages and tarball |
| 14:50 | jcamins | fudm: did you download a file called "koha-3.08.06.tar.gz"? |
| 14:50 | If you did, you used the tarball. | |
| 14:50 | fudm | :jcamins:yes i downloaded that |
| 14:50 | jcamins | That's unfortunate. |
| 14:51 | You need to set up your cron jobs. | |
| 14:51 | And make sure you've started Zebra. | |
| 14:51 | fudm | :jcamins: i got the tar.gz file using "wget http://download.koha-community[…]oha-latest.tar.gz" |
| 14:51 | jcamins | Did you work your way through the FAQ on this problemt hat I sent you? |
| 14:51 | Yeah, definitely tarball. | |
| 14:52 | fudm | :jcamins: sorry, was the faq for me? |
| 14:52 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 14:52 | faq? | |
| 14:52 | wahanui | faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ |
| 14:52 | jcamins | The very last question addresses this. |
| 14:53 | fudm | :jcamins: i followed this to create a cron job during koha installation "5 - Setup Zebra Server to Automatically Start on Boot Up $ sudo ln -s /usr/share/koha/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon $ sudo update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults $ sudo /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start" |
| 14:53 | jcamins | That has nothing to do with cron. |
| 14:53 | That's setting up Zebra to run when the system starts. | |
| 14:53 | Which is also important. | |
| 14:53 | wahanui | okay, jcamins. |
| 14:53 | jcamins | which? |
| 14:53 | wahanui | i guess which is important. |
| 14:53 | jcamins | wahanui: forget which |
| 14:53 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot which |
| 14:54 | oleonard | wahanui: Who is on first |
| 14:54 | wahanui | no idea, oleonard |
| 14:54 | fudm | :jcamins: ok, so how do i go about the cron job |
| 14:54 | oleonard | dang |
| 14:54 | jcamins | wahanui: \Who \is on first is I don't know. |
| 14:54 | wahanui | OK, jcamins. |
| 14:54 | jcamins | who is on first? |
| 14:54 | who is on first | |
| 14:54 | Who is on first | |
| 14:54 | Oh well. | |
| 14:55 | fudm | :jcamins: the cron job; how do i go about it pls |
| 14:55 | jcamins | fudm: you do understand that I'm doing this for free, right? |
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| 14:55 | fudm | :jcamins:yes i do, i really appreciate the assistance |
| 14:56 | jcamins | Okay. Patience is appreciated when you are receiving gratis help. |
| 14:56 | fudm | :jcamins: Ok |
| 14:56 | Manderson | Hi all - I am still trying to figure out how to get bib items into my catalog. They get stuck in the reservoir, and seem to stay there. Any ideas? |
| 14:56 | jcamins | fudm: the first thing to do is start Zebra: `sudo service koha-zebra-daemon start` |
| 14:57 | Then, you'll rebuild Zebra as described in the FAQ. | |
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| 14:57 | fudm | :jcamins: ok |
| 14:58 | :jcamins: i just started the zebra service | |
| 15:00 | jcamins | So now you're going to set your PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF variables and run rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v |
| 15:00 | I'm not 100 | |
| 15:01 | % sure where that script is, but you can find it. | |
| 15:01 | fudm | :jcamins: how pls |
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| 15:02 | fudm | :jcamins: using this "export PERL5LIB=/path/to/your/koha/" |
| 15:02 | jcamins | Right. |
| 15:02 | Changing the path to where Koha is installed. | |
| 15:03 | And `export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha_conf.xml` | |
| 15:03 | fudm | :jcamins: am presently searching for the PERL5LIB |
| 15:03 | jcamins | You'll find all this in the instructions, too. |
| 15:04 | fudm | :jcamins: ok, let me follow the instructions then revert back to you |
| 15:04 | jcamins | I believe it is `export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha` |
| 15:05 | fudm | :jcamins: am i just to "run export PERL5LIB=/usr/kohalocation" from the terminal(cmd lin) |
| 15:06 | jcamins | Right. |
| 15:11 | fudm | :jcamins:ok, i ran the instructions but i cant see any response |
| 15:11 | jcamins | Including rebuild_zebra? |
| 15:11 | fudm | :jcamins: ok, i ran the instructions but i cant see any response |
| 15:11 | jcamins | The export commands do not give any output. |
| 15:11 | fudm | ok |
| 15:11 | :jcamins: ok | |
| 15:12 | jcamins | You don't need to preface my nick to every statement. Since we're the only ones talking, I'll be able to follow. |
| 15:12 | fudm | ok |
| 15:13 | am i to run this export KOHA_.... from the unzipped koha3.0806 folder? | |
| 15:13 | jcamins | BTW, for those who were concerned, the snow was not nearly as bad as I was anticipating. Just a couple of inches at most. |
| 15:13 | It doesn't matter what folder you run it from. | |
| 15:13 | However, you should be using the folders where Koha was installed, not the folder where you unzipped Koha. | |
| 15:15 | fudm | ok, that is the "usr/share/koha" right? |
| 15:15 | jcamins | I think so. |
| 15:16 | I don't use the tarball for installing. | |
| 15:16 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 15:16 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #29: "< CGI634> kill self now avoid slow cataloging death" (added by chris at 09:32 PM, September 02, 2009) |
| 15:16 | slef | hey don't kill me! |
| 15:21 | magnuse | hm, was it a typo or wasn't it a typo? |
| 15:22 | mtj | you know what our problem is? |
| 15:22 | this page should aggressively recommend using the koha packages for beginner installs -> http://koha-community.org/download-koha | |
| 15:22 | … its the first mistake, that n00bs make, when installing koha | |
| 15:23 | jcamins | mtj: agreed. |
| 15:23 | magnuse | +1 |
| 15:25 | mtj | i suggest a hottt-pink flashing marquee bold italic banner '---===use the packages====---', and a midi tune of super-mario theme music |
| 15:25 | jcamins | lol |
| 15:26 | I suggest that if you do that I will sick the Reas on you. | |
| 15:26 | And they are all very, very tall so you don't want that. | |
| 15:27 | mtj | ^^ ill ask liz about it, next time i see her |
| 15:27 | jcamins | Oh, I think I can edit downloads.k-c.org. |
| 15:28 | If you'd like to e-mail the lists to make sure people agree? | |
| 15:29 | mtj | *and* that very same suggestion on -> http://download.koha-community.org, too |
| 15:29 | jcamins, yep - will do | |
| 15:30 | slef | careful not to alienate the non-debs |
| 15:30 | jcamins | I think it's more important on download.k-c.org, actually. |
| 15:30 | slef | also should promote the livecd for newbies too |
| 15:30 | jcamins | slef: first there needs to be a new LiveCD. |
| 15:30 | oleonard | <crickets> |
| 15:30 | jcamins | Right now the most up-to-date LiveCD is... not new. |
| 15:30 | mtj | and google-groups - to share our stories... |
| 15:30 | slef | jcamins: nah, olderversions are ok for first tries IMO |
| 15:31 | * slef | goes to get mtj's leg bone |
| 15:31 | jcamins | slef: I disagree. There is no upgrade path from them. |
| 15:31 | slef | jcamins: so write that there. "Try this out. Don't use it for real sites." or something |
| 15:31 | "real sites because the upgrade path is not good/there" | |
| 15:32 | jcamins | That's the plan, and the reason we have a LiveCD manager. |
| 15:32 | slef | JFDI |
| 15:32 | * jcamins | isn't creating a livecd. |
| 15:32 | slef | It's already there, people already use them, let's at least tell them the score. |
| 15:32 | jcamins | And I'm not encouraging anyone to use a misconfigured version of Koha that's six months old. |
| 15:33 | *I* am the one who is on #koha when they show up and ask why it's broken who is dumb enough to try to help. | |
| 15:34 | Regarding non-Debian distros, I think a note like "If you are using a deb-based distro (for example, Debian or Ubuntu), you are strongly encouraged to use the packages for production installations, since the packages automatically handle a lot of the inconvenient configuration." | |
| 15:36 | slef | that's ok |
| 15:36 | mtj | i think we all want less n00bs having koha problems, caused by bad install decisions |
| 15:37 | … that we then have to help fix :/ | |
| 15:38 | theres much good info about install stuff on the wiki, but many people never even get that far - it seems… | |
| 15:38 | jcamins | @later tell rangi I think awstats on download.k-c.org is misconfigured. One unique visitor per month since June seems improbable. |
| 15:38 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
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| 15:40 | caser | Good morning/afternoon/evening everyone! |
| 15:40 | mtj | … i think if we just improve the info on 'koha-community.org/download-koha' & 'download.koha-community.org', we can fix that |
| 15:41 | oleonard | Hi caser |
| 15:41 | jcamins | mtj: and remove links from the wiki directly to tarball files? |
| 15:41 | (I'm not sure if there are any) | |
| 15:42 | Manderson: in answer to your question much earlier, when you save a record it should go into the catalog. Most likely the problem is that you don't have the rebuild_zebra cronjobs running. | |
| 15:42 | mtj | jcamins, nor me, either |
| 15:42 | hey caser | |
| 15:45 | caser | We recently used a script to delete records without items, and while the records are indeed no longer existent, they are still showing up in search results in the OPAC. When you try to pull up the record from the search results, you get an error message. |
| 15:45 | magnuse | jcamins or anyone else know a handy set of marc21 authority records for testing? |
| 15:45 | oleonard | Where are the "installing Koha on Ubuntu 11.10" instructions fudm referred to? |
| 15:45 | caser | Anyone know why/how the title is still coming up in the search result, even though the record has been deleted? |
| 15:45 | jcamins | oleonard: see Koha_on_Ubuntu on the wiki. |
| 15:45 | caser: yes, you need to rebuild your indexes. | |
| 15:45 | magnuse | oleonard: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu |
| 15:46 | jcamins | Run `rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v` |
| 15:46 | * oleonard | replaces jcamins with a bot that replies "rebuild your indexes" |
| 15:46 | jcamins | help? |
| 15:46 | wahanui | i think help is at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help. |
| 15:46 | jcamins | Humbug. |
| 15:46 | problem? | |
| 15:46 | wahanui | i heard problem was its human beings doing it or that grub was nudged to the emergency holographic shell |
| 15:46 | jcamins | forget problem |
| 15:46 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot problem |
| 15:46 | jcamins | Problem was it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. |
| 15:46 | magnuse | excuse? |
| 15:46 | wahanui | magnuse: Just pick up the phone and give modem connect sounds. "Well you said we should get more lines so we don't have voice lines." |
| 15:47 | jcamins | Problem? |
| 15:47 | Problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. | |
| 15:47 | problem? | |
| 15:47 | wahanui | problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild my indexes. |
| 15:47 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 15:47 | forget problem | |
| 15:47 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot problem |
| 15:47 | jcamins | Problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild \your indexes. |
| 15:47 | problem? | |
| 15:47 | wahanui | problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. |
| 15:47 | jcamins | There we go. |
| 15:48 | oleonard | the "Koha_on_Ubuntu" page doesn't have installation instructions, and recommends using packages. |
| 15:48 | jcamins | oleonard: oh, good. |
| 15:49 | I thought those were the super-long Ubuntu tarball instructions. | |
| 15:50 | Since fudm is using Ubuntu 11.10, presumably s/he started the installation ages ago, though. | |
| 15:57 | magnuse | book title of the day: "MARC21 for everyone : a practical guide" |
| 15:57 | jcamins | lol |
| 15:57 | magnuse: oh, yeah, authority records. | |
| 15:58 | magnuse | only if you know about any handy ones floating around... |
| 15:58 | jcamins | I just sent to someone. |
| 15:58 | magnuse | yay! |
| 15:58 | jcamins | I just have to find them. |
| 15:59 | magnuse | anyone tried importing MeSH records into koha? http://www.nlm.nih.gov/mesh/marc.html |
| 16:00 | jcamins | No, but I've thought about it. |
| 16:00 | oleonard | My staff is perpetually annoyed *and* surprised that the OPAC doesn't enforce hold limits |
| 16:00 | The annoyed part I understand. The surprised part? Really, still? | |
| 16:00 | magnuse | hehe |
| 16:01 | jcamins | magnuse: I'll look for it after some breakfast. |
| 16:01 | * magnuse | realized during the "get to know koha" day yesterday that authorities and normarc was something he put off until later and then forgot about... |
| 16:03 | oleonard | But honestly, we should hide the holds limit settings from circ rules until they're fixed. They're not enforced! |
| 16:09 | caser | jcamins Thanks, I'm looking into the rebuild. |
| 16:10 | Is a special circumstance due to the mass deletion or should we be doing rebuild regularly by cron? | |
| 16:11 | jcamins | Mass deletion. |
| 16:11 | oleonard | jcamins: Because the regular cron update doesn't catch them? |
| 16:12 | jcamins | Right. |
| 16:15 | caser | Thank you! |
| 16:21 | So, from the comment "oleonard replaces jcamins with a bot that replies "rebuild your indexes"" shall I assume that this is the equivalent of "have you tried turning it off and on again?" | |
| 16:22 | jcamins | Pretty much. |
| 16:22 | paul_p | jcamins (& chris_n ) = 2 new patches pushed on release-tools |
| 16:22 | jcamins | paul_p: thanks. |
| 16:22 | I'll push my additional patches now. | |
| 16:23 | caser | got it. |
| 16:23 | paul_p | jcamins perfect |
| 16:23 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:24 | jcamins | Well, once I fix the spacing in the credits section. |
| 16:27 | chris_n | paul_p++ |
| 16:29 | * cait | waves |
| 16:29 | jcamins | Hm. And we should use the mapping file that git-stats uses. |
| 16:29 | For companies. | |
| 16:30 | oleonard | Hi cait |
| 16:30 | Still in Norway? | |
| 16:30 | cait | nope |
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| 16:30 | cait | came back late last night |
| 16:30 | my dad picked me up, still staying with my family | |
| 16:31 | chris_n | jcamins: true |
| 16:33 | jcamins | Okay, pushed my changes. |
| 16:33 | I'll see if I can figure out how to do the mapping. | |
| 16:34 | paul_p: looks like the lists are working again. | |
| 16:35 | Alas, gitdm is written in Python. | |
| 16:35 | paul_p | jcamins yes, it seems http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/038419.html (except I don't get the email myself...) |
| 16:36 | we faced some problems with it because of our VPN & some internal DNS wrongly resolved (at least that's what I understood...) | |
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| 16:38 | jcamins | Humbug. I don't want to figure out how to read the domain map. |
| 16:39 | caser | jcamins Thanks for the help! |
| 16:39 | Bye | |
| 16:41 | maximep | spent all my morning fixing effects of bug 8253 when I updated to 3.8. How did I miss this bug :/ |
| 16:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8253 critical, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , fix fine doubling, when upgrading from 3.6 to 3.8 (or later) |
| 16:41 | maximep | and the patches don't exactly work for me :/ |
| 16:42 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #10 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 16:44 | cait1 | maximep: :( |
| 16:44 | maybe you can find the right fix? | |
| 16:44 | the bug looks like a bit of a never ending story :( | |
| 16:44 | maximep | pretty crazy that it took 7 minor releases to fix :S |
| 16:46 | ah, the fixes don't work because of a local change. It seems we use the closing hour in date_due instead of 23:59. Not sure why we did that haha | |
| 16:47 | jcamins | maximep: because that's the logical time for books to be due. |
| 16:47 | libsysguy is working on making that work generally. | |
| 16:47 | If you've already gotten it working, though, a patch would be welcomed. | |
| 16:50 | maximep | I actually don't remember anything about what I did on that stuff haha |
| 16:50 | I have the worst memory :/ | |
| 16:51 | libsysguy | that is why you commit early, commit often, and comment |
| 16:52 | the 3 C's of programming | |
| 16:52 | :p | |
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| 16:53 | maximep | haha that I do |
| 16:53 | I know my lack of memory =) | |
| 16:53 | tcohen | so, liblime announced the availability of a Solr version of its Koha fork |
| 16:55 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 16:55 | Kind of limited in terms of search options. | |
| 16:57 | cait1 | and it's not on their repo yet |
| 16:57 | and no release notes | |
| 16:57 | it seems | |
| 16:57 | or I didn#t find it | |
| 16:57 | the download is still 4.10 | |
| 16:57 | jcamins | cait1: I'd be shocked if they released it. |
| 16:57 | cait1 | well, you never know what shocking thing they plan next |
| 16:58 | jcamins | Granted. But the code for 4.12 was never made available. |
| 16:58 | cait1 | their press release is quite silent aobut that little fact |
| 17:00 | oleonard | ...and of course doesn't mention open source except in their boilerplate "about liblime" paragraph |
| 17:00 | ...where I would quibble with the truth of their "global leader" assertion. | |
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| 17:04 | cait1 | yeah |
| 17:24 | * chris_n | finds it interesting that the koha_on_ubuntu_-_git wiki page does not mention installing zebra |
| 17:24 | chris_n | or else I have missed it |
| 17:24 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #10: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/10/ |
| 17:24 | tomascohen: Bug 9001: Remove Zebraqueue_daemon | |
| 17:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9001 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , zebraqueue_daemon is deprecated and must go |
| 17:24 | oleonard | Which page chris_n? |
| 17:24 | jcamins | chris_n: that's quite possible. |
| 17:24 | chris_n | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]a_on_ubuntu_-_git |
| 17:25 | just a small oversight ;-) | |
| 17:25 | oleonard | Is that the humongous guide you were thinking of jcamins? |
| 17:26 | jcamins | oleonard: no, there was one for tarball installs. |
| 17:26 | chris_n | hmm... the INSTALL files seem to miss that point too |
| 17:26 | jcamins | paul_p: I updated get_bugs.pl to use the domain map. |
| 17:26 | chris_n | I thought for sure that was in there somewhere in the past |
| 17:27 | jcamins | It was. |
| 17:27 | chris_n | here it is: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nd_Zebra_packages |
| 17:27 | but it sure has disappeared from several other places | |
| 17:42 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #934 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 17:43 | tcohen | chris_n, whats the problem with the docs? (sorry, arrived late= |
| 17:44 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8784' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ab0cac9d86395cf35> / Bug 8784 - Missing files in debian.packages list <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a31d644562cfea532> / Bug 8805 - Add a biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl for NORMARC <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]git;a=commitdiff; |
| 17:48 | * jcamins | heads into the city, having pushed a couple things to master. |
| 17:56 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9005' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]16cdb1d6dd59d5ce7> / Bug 8919 - ExtendedPatronAttributes not populated from LDAP <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e3f51855575a01759> / Bug 9005: Allow user to disable syspref cache <http://git.koha-community.org/[…].git;a=commitdiff |
| 17:56 | chris_n | tcohen: many of them seem to be missing zebra install sections (for those using git or tarball) |
| 17:57 | tcohen | on ubuntu instructions it is implied by the use of dpkg --set-selections |
| 17:57 | and the fact that idzebra is official in universe repos (which is a default) | |
| 17:58 | chris_n | ahh, I missed that |
| 17:58 | tcohen | i'm sure on debian is the same |
| 17:59 | we only need to push bug 8519 and remove any reference to zebra weird indexing stuff on the instructions | |
| 17:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8519 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Make koha-index-daemon run on startup |
| 17:59 | tcohen | (just the symlinks :-P) |
| 18:09 | chris_n | weirdness: # Error: Can't locate ZOOM.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/cnighswonger/Repositories/koha.3.2.labels/ /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) |
| 18:09 | yet: /usr/lib/perl5/ZOOM.pm | |
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| 18:29 | rangi | Morning |
| 18:29 | wahanui | Morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast |
| 18:32 | rangi | Yep stats is looking at apache logs, download has nginx in front serving the actual files, apache is just doing the page itself |
| 18:33 | So its all the same ip to apache and it's not counting the downloads themselves anyway | |
| 18:36 | cait1 | good morning rangi :) |
| 18:39 | rangi | I dunno if awstats understands nginx logs ill try and see |
| 18:48 | mtj | morning #koha, hiya rangi |
| 18:50 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #934: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/934/ |
| 18:50 | * magnus: Bug 8805 - Add a biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl for NORMARC | |
| 18:50 | * mtompset: Bug 8784 - Missing files in debian.packages list | |
| 18:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8805 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Add a biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl for NORMARC |
| 18:50 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8784 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Missing files in debian.packages list | |
| 18:51 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #935 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 18:52 | jcamins_away | rangi: okay, that makes sense. |
| 18:53 | Maybe we should stick a note on that says "this does not include downloads" or something. | |
| 18:54 | rangi | I'll see if I can get it using the nginx logs first |
| 18:54 | jcamins_away | Thanks. |
| 18:54 | rangi | If I can't I'd rather remove it than put a note I think |
| 19:03 | tcohen | farewell zebraqueue-daemon |
| 19:04 | jcamins_away | tcohen: yay! :) |
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| 19:11 | oleonard | jcamins_away: Is bug 8484 a non-starter at this point for you? Or did bag's comment change your mind? |
| 19:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8484 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to choose if lost items are removed from a borrowers record. |
| 19:11 | jcamins_away | If the patch doesn't remove any functionality, I'm comfortable with it. |
| 19:12 | * oleonard | will test in that case. |
| 19:13 | jcamins_away | (where "functionality" includes "consistency") |
| 19:13 | oleonard | ...Although I don't understand how the process works for libraries that want this. The item is made lost, the patron pays for it, and then... The items stays on their card forever? The item is manually checked in later? |
| 19:17 | Hm, if I just paid that fine why does it still show up on the patron's screen? | |
| 19:20 | melia++ # for patch-testing! | |
| 19:20 | melia | thanks! yours are easy to test, oleonard. you write great test plans :) |
| 19:21 | oleonard | I've been trying hard to do so, since it gives me more latitude to demand them from others ;) |
| 19:29 | rangi | back |
| 19:30 | oleonard | I need a sanity check. I'm marking an checked-out item lost, paying the fine, and finding that Koha still thinks the patron owes the fine. Can someone else try it? |
| 19:32 | rangi | eew regression |
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| 19:53 | chris_n | should 'prove t' result in failed tests due to non-mandatory packages *not* being installed? |
| 19:53 | jcamins_away | No. |
| 19:54 | All packages required for tests in t/ should be required, period. | |
| 19:54 | pastebot | "chris_n" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "cnighswongercnighswonger-dt:~" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/262 |
| 19:54 | rangi | yep |
| 19:55 | chris_n | so memcached foo is not required, right? |
| 19:55 | rangi | in that case i think 00-load.t |
| 19:55 | should not be testing Koha::Cache::Memcached | |
| 19:55 | jcamins_away | It shouldn't be. We shoudl adjust 00-load. |
| 19:55 | rangi | because that is definitely optional |
| 19:55 | jcamins_away | 00-load should not be testing Koha::Cache::* |
| 19:56 | rangi | yeah |
| 19:56 | pastebot | "chris_n" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "cnighswongercnighswonger-dt:~" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/263 |
| 19:56 | chris_n | so bug? |
| 19:57 | rangi | yep |
| 19:57 | if you look at t/00-load.t | |
| 19:57 | you will see it's a simple fix | |
| 19:57 | * chris_n | wonders why jenkins has not caught it? |
| 19:57 | rangi | it has all modules installed |
| 19:57 | cos it runs all the tests | |
| 19:57 | not just t/ | |
| 19:58 | jcamins_away | And the packages install all recommended packages, too. |
| 19:58 | chris_n | it might be nice to have tests of a default install or require all recommended packages |
| 19:58 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #935: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/935/ |
| 19:58 | * jcamins: Bug 9005: Allow user to disable syspref cache | |
| 19:58 | * dpavlin: Bug 8919 - ExtendedPatronAttributes not populated from LDAP | |
| 19:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9005 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Changing sysprefs requires restart under Plack |
| 19:58 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8919 critical, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , ExtendedPatronAttributes not populated from LDAP | |
| 19:59 | chris_n | I'll fix the test |
| 20:01 | jcamins_away | Thanks. |
| 20:02 | If we had an automated way to get a list of only required packages, I could easily add it to my build test. | |
| 20:02 | But koha_perl_deps gives me only the names of the modules. | |
| 20:04 | chris_n | I'm sure package names could be easily added |
| 20:04 | it's just a hash iirc | |
| 20:04 | jcamins_away | Ooh. |
| 20:04 | That's an intriguing idea. | |
| 20:04 | chris_n | resurrecting a repo and dev install is not for the faint of heart :P |
| 20:04 | jcamins_away | Resurrecting? |
| 20:05 | What happened to it? | |
| 20:05 | chris_n | yup, and an additional switch could produce package names instead of module names |
| 20:05 | it was on a HDD from my old system | |
| 20:06 | I'm attempting to move it over intact | |
| 20:08 | jcamins_away: I'll look at the package thing too while I'm mucking around | |
| 20:10 | jcamins_away | That might be nice. mtompset wrote a script to generate that, but if we could centralize, I would like that. |
| 20:10 | Especially if we could do it in a way that makes it possible to store RPM/AUR package names, too. | |
| 20:11 | chris_n | so what part of this vimrc do I change to rid myself of all the '^I' : http://paste.koha-community.org/264 |
| 20:11 | * chris_n | gives up trying |
| 20:11 | jcamins_away | set expandtab |
| 20:11 | chris_n | jcamins_away: it should be trivial to do |
| 20:11 | ahh | |
| 20:11 | tnx | |
| 20:12 | I owe you some chocolate | |
| 20:12 | jcamins_away | :) |
| 20:12 | chris_n | argh |
| 20:12 | they're still there :-P | |
| 20:13 | jcamins_away | Yeah, vim does not automatically replace tabs with four spaces everywhere. |
| 20:13 | Unlike Emacs, which massacres every file you open. | |
| 20:13 | rangi | i call bs |
| 20:13 | chris_n | so are we using tabs or spaces now, and how many |
| 20:13 | rangi | maybe your emacs does that |
| 20:13 | jcamins_away | rangi: I know. |
| 20:13 | rangi | mine doesnt |
| 20:14 | jcamins_away | I don't use Emacs, and libsysguy is never going to live down the time he reindented most of the Koha codebase. |
| 20:14 | chris_n | anyone remember the "brief" line editor? |
| 20:14 | jcamins_away | chris_n: we're using 4 tabs. |
| 20:14 | libsysguy | okay really |
| 20:14 | first you summon me | |
| 20:14 | chris_n | 4 tabs! |
| 20:14 | jcamins_away | Spaces. |
| 20:14 | libsysguy | then you insult my favorite editor |
| 20:14 | jcamins_away | Sorry. |
| 20:14 | libsysguy | what is this board coming to |
| 20:14 | lol | |
| 20:15 | yeah make sure they are spaces and not tabs or paul_p will stab you in the eye | |
| 20:15 | * chris_n | is going to rip out these tabs then |
| 20:15 | chris_n | :retab to the rescue |
| 20:16 | libsysguy | M-x untabify |
| 20:16 | jcamins_away | M-x giveusreasonstomakefunofthejuniorQAA :P |
| 20:16 | rangi | but do not put spaces in the history.txt that is a tab seperated file ... ill stab you if you do that ;) |
| 20:16 | * rangi | has fixed that a bunch of times now |
| 20:16 | cait1 | but we don#t use tabs... |
| 20:16 | we use 4 spaces.. :P | |
| 20:17 | chris_n | so can't we add editor directives to the tops of our files? |
| 20:17 | jcamins_away | cait1: except in the history fire, which is a tab-separated CSV. |
| 20:17 | *file | |
| 20:17 | chris_n | jcamins_away: retab is it |
| 20:18 | After the 'expandtab' option is set, all the new tab characters entered will be changed to spaces. This will not affect the existing tab characters. | |
| 20:18 | jcamins_away | Right. I thought you were trying to prevent your typing from creating new tabby abominations. |
| 20:19 | (as opposed to tabby cats, which we like) | |
| 20:19 | * chris_n | is persecuting existing tabby abominations |
| 20:19 | * libsysguy | prefers tabs |
| 20:19 | libsysguy | because I'm lazy |
| 20:19 | chris_n | I'll submit two patches then |
| 20:19 | * chris_n | thought tab was something you drink |
| 20:20 | jcamins_away | I think sometime in 2007 or something like that someone went through and removed all the editor definitions. rangi might know why. |
| 20:20 | ? | |
| 20:20 | *? | |
| 20:20 | * jcamins_away | is not used to this keyboard. |
| 20:20 | chris_n | do we have a bug for general style cleanup? |
| 20:21 | jcamins_away | I'm not sure, actually. |
| 20:21 | rangi | cos they were kados? |
| 20:22 | jcamins_away | rangi: but why would he do something like that? Or is it just a mystery? |
| 20:22 | chris_n | sounds likely |
| 20:22 | rangi | why would he fork, and cause me to have to read and write affadavits? |
| 20:22 | there's no understanding that guy | |
| 20:22 | oleonard | That's for sure. |
| 20:23 | rangi | or the people who copy his madness and perpetuate it |
| 20:23 | cait1 | what are those removed editor statements? |
| 20:23 | chris_n | they tell your editor what style to use |
| 20:24 | rangi | and are harmless to everything else |
| 20:24 | chris_n | it appears there is not bug for general style improvements/fixes |
| 20:24 | * chris_n | will add one |
| 20:26 | chris_n | bug 9037 |
| 20:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9037 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Catch-all enhancement for coding style improvements and fixes |
| 20:26 | mtj | chris_n, Bug 7119 |
| 20:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7119 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Code cleaning & improvements omnibus |
| 20:26 | chris_n | ugh |
| 20:26 | cait1 | chris_n/rangi: thx :) |
| 20:26 | chris_n | so much for a working search |
| 20:26 | needs keywords | |
| 20:27 | mtj | chris_n, yeah |
| 20:28 | chris_n, Bug 7119 | |
| 20:28 | chris_n | yup |
| 20:28 | just marked mine as a duplicate | |
| 20:28 | what a rough way to get keywords in ;-) | |
| 20:28 | mtj | heh, no, im waiting for huginn to reload the bug title…. |
| 20:29 | chris_n | ahh |
| 20:29 | mtj | (i just stuffed more keywords in the title) |
| 20:30 | oooh, i just spotted the keywords field :) | |
| 20:31 | chris_n | cool |
| 20:35 | rangi | melia++ |
| 20:36 | 9 signoffs for november so far | |
| 20:36 | melia | I'm gonna win, rangi! :) |
| 20:36 | rangi | hehe |
| 20:36 | melia | until you guys do the weekend thing anyway... |
| 20:37 | oleonard | Bug 7671 is the cause of the fine-paying regression. |
| 20:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7671 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Pushed to Master , add a real primary key "accountlinesid" in accountlines |
| 20:38 | cait1 | melia: do you speak german? I have some easy patches waiting for sign-off ;) |
| 20:38 | oleonard | And that bisect was pain in the ass. |
| 20:38 | chris_n | so are we still sending patches to the list? or just git-bz'ing them to bz? |
| 20:38 | cait1 | oleonard: ouch. |
| 20:38 | but good catch | |
| 20:38 | jcamins_away | chris_n: both. |
| 20:38 | Use git-bz -m | |
| 20:38 | melia | I don't speak German. sorry cait1. if it were in Spanish, maybe! |
| 20:38 | cait1 | melia: it's ok :) |
| 20:39 | oleonard | File a new bug about the regression or add a comment to the existing bug? |
| 20:39 | jcamins_away | File a new bug. |
| 20:39 | cait1 | hm, maybe a new one and link? |
| 20:39 | jcamins_away | I've decided I don't like comments on existing bugs. |
| 20:40 | They're a lot easier to miss. | |
| 20:40 | rangi | yep |
| 20:40 | cait1 | ... and he is rm :) |
| 20:40 | rangi | i think once its pushed |
| 20:40 | new bug | |
| 20:40 | up until its pushed comments on the bug | |
| 20:40 | jcamins_away | Right. |
| 20:40 | But a lot of people comment on bugs after they've been pushed. | |
| 20:41 | rangi | yep |
| 20:42 | jcamins_away | That's why we're closing scads of bugs on the release of 3.10. |
| 20:42 | cait1 | jcamins_away: is it easy to generate release notes? I would like to take a look at a list of the features and bugs for testing purposes |
| 20:42 | jcamins_away | Very. |
| 20:42 | Clone the release-tools repo. | |
| 20:44 | cd ~/kohaclone; ~/release-tools/get_bugs.pl -t v3.08.00; vim misc/release_notes/release_notes_3_9_0.txt | |
| 20:44 | I may have that file name slightly off. | |
| 20:44 | But still. | |
| 20:44 | Easy. | |
| 20:44 | rangi | bug 8872 |
| 20:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8872 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improve encoding for xslt files, showmarc and opac-showmarc |
| 20:44 | rangi | that looks like a candidate for 3.8.x to me |
| 20:44 | jcamins_away | Yes. |
| 20:44 | Definitely. | |
| 20:45 | cait1 | jcamins_away: I will try, adding repo now |
| 20:45 | jcamins_away | I generated it many times this morning while editing the file. |
| 20:45 | *script | |
| 20:46 | oleonard | Bug 9038 |
| 20:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9038 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Paying fines doesn't work |
| 20:47 | cait1 | jcamins_away: ah |
| 20:47 | jcamins_away: can I send a patch for it? | |
| 20:47 | jcamins_away | Yes. |
| 20:47 | cait1 | because we don't have a hyphen really |
| 20:47 | BSZ BW | |
| 20:47 | or only BSZ, but no - | |
| 20:47 | chris_n | t/Cache_Memcached.t also requires memcached; fixing it too |
| 20:48 | jcamins_away | In gitdm/domain-map? |
| 20:48 | cait1 | yep |
| 20:49 | jcamins_away | Fixed. |
| 20:49 | cait1 | awesome thx |
| 20:50 | jcamins++ | |
| 20:50 | ok, now trying to make release notes :) | |
| 20:53 | chris_n | so shouldn't we put tests for optional modules into a separate dir? |
| 20:53 | like db tests are? | |
| 20:53 | jcamins_away | chris_n: that's a good idea. |
| 20:53 | chris_n | ie. t/Cache_Memcached.t |
| 20:54 | oleonard | Aaaaand that's why I needed a sanity check. |
| 20:54 | Because I was crazy. | |
| 20:54 | cait1 | hm? |
| 20:54 | you didn#t seem crazy to me | |
| 20:54 | chris_n | depends on your standard of crazy |
| 20:54 | cait1 | ah right... might be my perspective |
| 20:54 | oleonard | And by crazy, I mean my database hadn't been updated when bug 7671 was pushed. |
| 20:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7671 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Pushed to Master , add a real primary key "accountlinesid" in accountlines |
| 20:55 | cait1 | oleonard: that does not sound good |
| 20:55 | jcamins_away | oleonard: do you have an accountlines.id column? |
| 20:55 | oleonard | I reset my version number and the update happened correctly. I assume that means it got lost in the shuffle |
| 20:56 | I do now jcamins_away | |
| 20:56 | jcamins_away | Ah, no, I'm wondering about a column called "id" in the accountlines table. |
| 20:57 | That patch added a column called "accountlinesid." | |
| 20:58 | oleonard | No, I don't have accountlines.id |
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| 20:58 | cait | I won't miss my dad's bad internet connection |
| 20:59 | jcamins_away | Okay. Just wondering. |
| 21:00 | oleonard | Guh, I think that's enough for today. |
| 21:00 | cait | jcamins_away: it worked perfectly, thx for the hints |
| 21:00 | and btw, you are not really away :) | |
| 21:00 | oleonard++ | |
| 21:00 | rangi | jcamins_away: how far are you away from 96th in rockaway? |
| 21:01 | jcamins_away | rangi: pretty far. Especially since there's no train service out to Rockaway. |
| 21:01 | Why? | |
| 21:01 | rangi | my brother in law manages http://robertaspizza.com/ |
| 21:01 | he has a stocked up van, needs a driver to drive out there to hand out food | |
| 21:02 | (from roberta's to 96th that is) | |
| 21:02 | just was wondering if you were anywhere near there | |
| 21:02 | jcamins_away | Ah. Nope. |
| 21:03 | * cait | gets hypnotized by pizza |
| 21:03 | cait | http://robertas.tumblr.com/ |
| 21:04 | rangi | lol |
| 21:04 | jcamins_away | lol |
| 21:04 | rangi | they do do great food |
| 21:04 | course im biased | |
| 21:05 | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akam[…]4_680090078_n.jpg | |
| 21:05 | the purricane | |
| 21:05 | cait | jcamins: release notes look great - did you do the sub headings from bug categories? |
| 21:06 | jcamins_away | cait: no, that was Paul's change this morning. |
| 21:06 | cait | ah ok |
| 21:06 | was wondering how the highlights get sleected | |
| 21:06 | because those seem to be bugs | |
| 21:06 | and not new features | |
| 21:06 | jcamins_away | Critical and blockers. |
| 21:07 | cait | that doesn't seem ideal to me |
| 21:07 | maximep | aaaaaaah what a nice day... had fun with bug 4054. 3 hours to find that :/ |
| 21:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4054 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, In Discussion , Double-clicking the 'place hold' button can result in duplicate holds |
| 21:07 | jcamins_away | The idea was supposed to be "Fixed these problems." |
| 21:07 | cait | hm no major too |
| 21:07 | 8395majororder receive not sorting right | |
| 21:07 | jcamins_away | Blocker, critical, and major, I guess. |
| 21:08 | cait | hmm |
| 21:09 | Manderson | Hi all - can someone tell me if the raw MARC record is stored in a table inside the koha database? |
| 21:09 | jcamins_away | Manderson: yes it is. It's in biblioitems. However... |
| 21:09 | first question? | |
| 21:09 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 21:10 | Manderson | We have some custom scripts and software that operate on the raw marc record and I want to ensure that we can still operate with those. |
| 21:11 | We're on a Voyager system right now and I am evaluating Koha as a viable alternative | |
| 21:11 | rangi | read only scripts? |
| 21:11 | Manderson | Yes |
| 21:11 | rangi | that will be fine then |
| 21:11 | jcamins_away | Then, yeah, that'll work fine. |
| 21:11 | rangi | just don't go changing stuff without using the api |
| 21:11 | jcamins_away | If you want to edit records, you need to use the API, though. |
| 21:12 | rangi | *snap* |
| 21:12 | Manderson: biblioitems.marc and biblioitems.marcxml | |
| 21:12 | jcamins_away | rangi and I are in agreement on this. |
| 21:12 | rangi | depending on what format you want it in |
| 21:12 | Manderson | thanks guys! |
| 21:12 | rangi | however |
| 21:12 | that does not contain itemdata | |
| 21:13 | ie holdings | |
| 21:13 | if you want the item level info too | |
| 21:13 | you need to call GetMarcBiblio | |
| 21:13 | off the top of my head | |
| 21:14 | Manderson | Biblioitems doesn't contain item information? |
| 21:14 | jcamins_away | Right. |
| 21:14 | rangi | nope |
| 21:14 | Manderson | that seems a bit misleading :P |
| 21:14 | jcamins_away | Koha used to have FRBR. |
| 21:14 | So there was a biblio, a biblioitem, and an item. | |
| 21:15 | It lost that when it started using MARC, but not the table names. | |
| 21:15 | Manderson | So, I am just guessing that when a bib is imported, it gets parsed and put into biblioitem and biblios? |
| 21:16 | jcamins_away | Right. |
| 21:16 | Manderson | and when it's updated, there are triggers to go back and update those tables too? |
| 21:16 | jcamins_away | Yes. |
| 21:16 | But they're not database-level. | |
| 21:16 | That's why you *must* use the API. | |
| 21:16 | Manderson | Perl level? |
| 21:16 | jcamins_away | Yes. |
| 21:16 | Manderson | Fair enough... |
| 21:16 | Thanks for explanation | |
| 21:17 | jcamins_away | Also, the marcxml and marc fields should be kept in sync or bad things happen. |
| 21:17 | Manderson | BTW, I was successful in my test for checking out, checking in, adding and searching for bibs on my red hat installation |
| 21:17 | jcamins_away | Which points to using the API which takes care of that for you. |
| 21:17 | Hooray! | |
| 21:17 | Did you take notes? | |
| 21:17 | Manderson | I have notes, and plan to write them up on the Wiki |
| 21:18 | jcamins_away | Hooray! |
| 21:18 | Manderson++ | |
| 21:18 | Manderson | I am no red hat guru though, so I won't be able to do any RPMs |
| 21:18 | :( | |
| 21:19 | jcamins_away | You could learn! |
| 21:19 | * chris_n | heads out |
| 21:19 | jcamins_away | I didn't know anything about Debian packaging a year ago, and now I know a lot. :) |
| 21:19 | ;) | |
| 21:20 | Manderson | I've DONE them before...but I am far from well-versed in Red Hat. I am a Solaris admin |
| 21:22 | jcamins_away | Probably a wise decision to try to install Koha on Red Hat before Solaris. |
| 21:22 | rangi | ive had it going on solaris |
| 21:22 | its not that bad | |
| 21:23 | in terms of proprietary pieces of crap OSes anyway :) | |
| 21:24 | Manderson | I have to say that sometimes, even thought it can be a pain in the ass, Solaris has never let me down in terms of reliablity. |
| 21:24 | eythian | hi |
| 21:24 | wahanui | privet, eythian |
| 21:24 | rangi | give oracle time |
| 21:24 | they'll fix it's reliability too | |
| 21:24 | jcamins_away | lol |
| 21:25 | Manderson | *shutter* |
| 21:25 | Yeah, they'll fix it REEEEAAALLL GOOD | |
| 21:25 | By making it a pay-for option | |
| 21:25 | jcamins_away | Stability? |
| 21:25 | wahanui | Stability is due to db upgrade |
| 21:27 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #224 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 21:54 | claire | Hi #koha |
| 21:56 | rangi | hi claire |
| 21:57 | claire | rangi, there's this mesage software error: when I try to view details for a patron. |
| 21:58 | The 'month' parameter ("0") to DateTime::new did not pass the 'an integer between 1 and 12' callback at /usr/lib/perl5/DateTime.pm line 194 | |
| 21:58 | rangi | what version of koha? |
| 21:58 | claire | those are the first two lines |
| 21:58 | rangi | most likely the person has either an invalid date of birth |
| 21:58 | claire | 3.8 |
| 21:58 | rangi | or expiry |
| 21:58 | 3.8.x? | |
| 21:58 | wahanui | i think 3.8.x is missing 7805 |
| 21:59 | rangi | 3.8.6 ? |
| 21:59 | claire | 3.8.4 |
| 21:59 | rangi | either way, its probably to do with bad data fro that patron, the have 00 as a month |
| 22:00 | how did you create the patron? | |
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| 22:00 | rangi | hi wizzyrea |
| 22:01 | claire | I'll check that but there are two patrons so far I have came across with the same problem |
| 22:01 | rangi | yep |
| 22:01 | how did you create them? | |
| 22:01 | claire | create what? |
| 22:01 | rangi | the patrons |
| 22:02 | if it was a data import id suspect that munged the dates | |
| 22:02 | it will be one of the dates, expiry, birth | |
| 22:02 | claire | using new patron |
| 22:02 | rangi | registration |
| 22:03 | or it could be one of the issues has a bad date | |
| 22:03 | claire | okay |
| 22:03 | rangi | some date to do with that patron has gotten 00 as a month |
| 22:05 | its quite likely its 0000-00-00 in the db | |
| 22:05 | claire | how can I deal with the issue? |
| 22:05 | rangi | you have to find the invalid date, and fix it |
| 22:06 | claire | The date of birth of that particular patron is written as 15/07/1982 |
| 22:06 | rangi | it wont be that then |
| 22:07 | ive never seen this error except from an import, or from someone changing things in the database | |
| 22:07 | do you have db access? id do | |
| 22:07 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #224: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/224/ |
| 22:07 | * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Add UTF-8 encoding to intranet xslt files | |
| 22:07 | * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872 Add UTF-8 encoding to opac xslt files | |
| 22:07 | * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Changes for opac-showmarc | |
| 22:07 | * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Changes for intranet showmarc | |
| 22:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8872 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Improve encoding for xslt files, showmarc and opac-showmarc |
| 22:08 | rangi | select * from borrowers where cardnumber=enter_their_cardnumber_here |
| 22:08 | claire | yes |
| 22:09 | the tabs from fines down to notices are working but not check out and details | |
| 22:09 | rangi | if details its most likely date of expiry |
| 22:09 | that query in the db will show you | |
| 22:09 | you can do that in reports too | |
| 22:09 | if you dont have db access | |
| 22:10 | claire | its details and check out that gives error message |
| 22:10 | rangi | yes |
| 22:11 | claire | also I there was any error when I tried apt-get update |
| 22:13 | there' this error when run apt-get update: | |
| 22:13 | Encountered a section with no Package: header | |
| 22:13 | Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_squeeze_updates_contrib_i18n_Translation-en | |
| 22:14 | The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. | |
| 22:14 | rangi, those are the errors when I update | |
| 22:14 | eythian | that's not a Koha related error, you'll have to get your sysadmin to look into it. |
| 22:14 | mtj | ^^ what he said |
| 22:15 | eythian | it's also not related to your DataTime error. |
| 22:15 | *DateTime | |
| 22:16 | claire | okay... |
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| 23:55 | rangi | chris_n: are you about? |
| 23:58 | eythian | wahanui: php |
| 23:58 | wahanui | php is like perl, not the other way around ;) |
| 23:58 | eythian | wahanui: php is also http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012[…]al-of-bad-design/ |
| 23:58 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
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