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| 01:46 | drojfx | funny insomnia questions for 500: will zebra explode if i make it index full text of books? |
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| 03:58 | rangi | @later tell fredericd when you get a second can i get a pull request please? |
| 03:58 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 04:11 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #207 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 04:49 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #207: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/207/ |
| 04:49 | * jcamins: Bug 3652: close XSS vulnerabilities on biblionumber and authid | |
| 04:49 | * jcamins: Bug 3652: close XSS vulnerabilities in opac-export | |
| 04:49 | * chrish: bug 3652 fixing XSS vulnerabilities in opac-search | |
| 04:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P1 - high, ---, chrish, Signed Off , XSS vulnerabilities |
| 05:09 | rangi | fredericd++ #thanks for the pull request |
| 05:24 | magnuse | rangi++ for 3.8.6 |
| 05:24 | and kia ora #koha | |
| 05:25 | rangi | heya magnuse |
| 05:25 | wahanui | i think magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. |
| 05:25 | rangi | hehe |
| 05:26 | magnuse | that was friday... :-) |
| 05:26 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #208 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 05:27 | magnuse | "SUCCESS in 38 min" - isn't that faster than usual? |
| 05:27 | rangi | yep, its running less db tests |
| 05:28 | magnuse | ah |
| 05:28 | that would do it | |
| 05:30 | rangi | right thats the announcement out |
| 05:34 | magnuse | yay |
| 05:39 | mtj | heya magnuse, rangi |
| 05:39 | magnuse | kia ora mtj |
| 05:40 | @wunder boo | |
| 05:40 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on October 22, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:40 | * magnuse | takes the dogs out |
| 05:41 | rangi | heya mtj |
| 05:41 | brrr | |
| 05:41 | @wunder nzwn | |
| 05:41 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (6:00 PM NZDT on October 22, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising). |
| 05:43 | mtj | rangi++ thanks for the 3.8.6 release :) |
| 05:45 | rangi | no worries, thanks to the 21 ppl who contributed patches to it |
| 05:45 | mtj | amen |
| 05:46 | cjh | rangi++ |
| 05:47 | it was sunny when I woke up... rainy when I returned home. | |
| 05:51 | rangi | yeah, today was weird weather |
| 06:03 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #208: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/208/ |
| 06:03 | * Chris Cormack: Adding release notes | |
| 06:03 | * f.demians: 3.8.6 Translation Update | |
| 06:32 | * magnuse | bookmarks http://perlhacks.com/2012/10/dbic-vs-dbi/ |
| 06:33 | rangi | :) |
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| 06:54 | marcelr | hello #koha |
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| 06:57 | alex_a | bonjour #koha |
| 06:57 | rangi | hi marcelr and alex_a |
| 06:58 | alex_a | hi rangi |
| 07:01 | marcelr | hi alex_a rangi |
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| 07:01 | alex_a | salut marcelr :) |
| 07:01 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:01 | wahanui | hi, reiveune |
| 07:01 | marcelr | hi reiveune |
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| 07:10 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:10 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #209 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 07:18 | francharb | hi #koha |
| 07:18 | marcelr | hi gaetan_B francharb |
| 07:19 | gaetan_B | hi marcelr :) |
| 07:19 | sophie_m | hi #koha |
| 07:19 | clrh | hello |
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| 07:37 | marcelr | hi sophie_m clrh |
| 07:40 | cait | hi marcelr :) |
| 07:40 | marcelr | hi cait |
| 07:47 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #209: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/209/ |
| 07:47 | Chris Cormack: Bumping db version | |
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| 08:12 | drojfx | morning |
| 08:12 | cait | morning :) |
| 08:13 | drojfx | hi cait :) |
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| 08:18 | drojfx | is there a reason not to put the full text of books into koha to make it searchable (and maybe readable directly from koha too)? |
| 08:19 | cait | hm |
| 08:19 | rangi | only that there are better tools available to do that |
| 08:19 | cait | wah |
| 08:19 | a rangi appearance | |
| 08:19 | rangi | like omeka, fedora+fez, dspace etc |
| 08:20 | and cataloguing them in koha, then using pazpar2 to federate over both | |
| 08:20 | eythian | https://play.google.com/store/[…]droid.hashigozake <-- rangi |
| 08:20 | cait | aaah |
| 08:20 | hi eythian | |
| 08:20 | drojfx | rangi: why better? because they already do it? |
| 08:20 | rangi | because they are designed to do it |
| 08:20 | eythian | hi, though I'm not really here :) |
| 08:20 | rangi | eythian: nice! |
| 08:20 | cait | yay :) |
| 08:21 | it's beer... but still cool ;) | |
| 08:21 | eythian | :) |
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| 08:21 | rangi | drojfx: i think its better to leverage off other free software, instead of bloating koha |
| 08:22 | drojfx | rangi: good point |
| 08:22 | koyauni | Hi koha, does anyone know how to make tag 952 to appear in Koha please? |
| 08:22 | cait | koyauni: what do you mean with appear? |
| 08:23 | koyauni | I want to insert a new book and it need that tag, but I can not see the tag , it is something to do with shelving |
| 08:24 | rangi | drojfx: i liked your mail about the livecd .. seems a lot of people missed the point though |
| 08:24 | focused on the how, not the what | |
| 08:24 | cait | koyauni: how did you insert it? |
| 08:24 | you don't need to add the tag in cataloging, when you save the record, the item form shows | |
| 08:25 | koyauni | but it is inactive |
| 08:25 | cait | I would doubt that |
| 08:25 | koyauni | it shows it but it is not active |
| 08:25 | cait | koha is set up so cyou can add items |
| 08:26 | where are you looking? where is the inactive link? | |
| 08:26 | are you using independent branchesmaybe? | |
| 08:26 | are you logged in as a real staff member with a homebranch? | |
| 08:27 | koyauni | we have imported some records and we need to edit the data, but this tag is not visible ot it is inactive for the imported records |
| 08:27 | I am logged in as supper admin, | |
| 08:27 | cait | ok |
| 08:28 | if you mean the database user with super admin | |
| 08:28 | you shouldn't do htat | |
| 08:28 | create a staff user and always use that | |
| 08:28 | koyauni | sorry what is "branche"? |
| 08:28 | cait | branch is the library the user belongs to |
| 08:28 | rangi | http://manual.koha-community.o[…].html#addingitems |
| 08:28 | koyauni | ok |
| 08:28 | cait | and if your imported 952 don't show up |
| 08:28 | you didn't get them right | |
| 08:28 | probably missing vital fields koha needs to create items from the 952 tag | |
| 08:30 | koyauni | what filed is it, please? |
| 08:31 | cait | koyauni: it's a bit hard to help you without knowing what you did and what you want to do |
| 08:31 | for example a and b need to be filled with the branchcode already configured in koha | |
| 08:31 | eythian | keep in mind that 952 doesn't really exist in Koha these days (sorta) |
| 08:32 | cait | ^^ yep |
| 08:32 | eythian | only when importing/exporting |
| 08:32 | you should never go and add a 952, you should go and add an item. | |
| 08:32 | (the exception being preparing MARC data for import) | |
| 08:33 | koyauni | we simply installed koha and then imported 17000 records, now we aim to edit these record and add shelving data, but we can not see the filed and when we see it it is not active |
| 08:33 | cait | yep you are not supposed to see the field in catalouging |
| 08:33 | items adding is on a separate screen | |
| 08:34 | it's separate from cataloguing the bilbiographic data | |
| 08:34 | you search for the record, go into the detail screen and choose add item from the toolbar there | |
| 08:34 | rangi | 21:28 <@rangi> http://manual.koha-community.o[…].html#addingitems |
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| 08:37 | drojfx | rangi: yes i noticed :/ |
| 08:41 | koyauni | I go to "you search for the record, go into the detail screen and choose add item from the toolbar there" for a record which has been already in the system then what do I add for this item |
| 08:41 | cait | koyauni: sorry, you shoudl really read a bit in the manual |
| 08:42 | it's all there | |
| 08:42 | koyauni | if I do not use 952, how do I tell the system where an item is placed in the library |
| 08:42 | cait | or talk to the librarians and try osme different things |
| 08:42 | forget aobut the 052 | |
| 08:42 | that's only internal | |
| 08:42 | koha will deal iwth it | |
| 08:42 | if you get to the item form, you can add all needed information there, look at the link rangi posted | |
| 08:42 | rangi | the item IS the 952 |
| 08:43 | koyauni | we are bunch of IT guys and we do not have professional librarian in Iraq, this our problem we learn and we apply things that it is not our job really |
| 08:43 | drojfx | that is why reading the manual is very helpful |
| 08:44 | koyauni | many thanks guys |
| 08:46 | do you guys know any source for library of Congress Classification to download please | |
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| 08:47 | magnuse | kia ora eythian - any news on the multiple cover sources thingy? |
| 08:47 | eythian | magnuse: not really |
| 08:48 | cait | morning magnuse :) |
| 08:48 | magnuse | eythian: okelydokely |
| 08:48 | hiya cait | |
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| 08:54 | drojfx | hi magnuse and eythian |
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| 08:59 | magnuse | hiya drojfx |
| 09:00 | there's an extra drojf today? | |
| 09:00 | drojfx | multidrojf! |
| 09:00 | magnuse | yay |
| 09:01 | drojfx | the x one is on the tablet |
| 09:01 | eythian | hi drojfx |
| 09:01 | magnuse | ah |
| 09:01 | * cait | wants a tablet too |
| 09:02 | * magnuse | will not discourage cait |
| 09:02 | eythian | they are handy |
| 09:03 | drojfx | there is that free one... it's not called spark anymore. vivaldi? |
| 09:03 | cait | I am still eyeing the one eythian has |
| 09:03 | drojfx | and what is that? |
| 09:03 | wahanui | hmmm... that is because it's phased out |
| 09:04 | * magnuse | finds a tablet much better than the kindle for reading tech books |
| 09:06 | magnuse | and by buying ebooks from e.g. oreilly you save tons of money compared to pbooks, so a tablet pays for itself in no time :-) |
| 09:09 | cait | pbooks? |
| 09:09 | oh | |
| 09:09 | printed? | |
| 09:10 | drojfx | paper? |
| 09:10 | that wood thing we had in the old days | |
| 09:10 | cait | ah |
| 09:11 | * cait | likes book |
| 09:11 | cait | books |
| 09:11 | * drojfx | too |
| 09:12 | drojfx | paper does not watch me read it |
| 09:12 | cait | lol |
| 09:14 | * magnuse | likes paper too, and has the bookshelves to prove it |
| 09:15 | * jcamins | yawns |
| 09:15 | magnuse | kia ora jcamins |
| 09:15 | cait | jcamins: why are you not in bed? |
| 09:15 | jcamins | cait: Shari's extraing. |
| 09:15 | cait | aah |
| 09:15 | for waht? | |
| 09:16 | and have you considered just going back to bed? | |
| 09:16 | jcamins | I got up after she left. |
| 09:16 | cait | m |
| 09:16 | jcamins | I was having nightmares. |
| 09:16 | cait | oh no |
| 09:17 | drojfx | of search.pm? |
| 09:17 | cait | did someone break the new uathoritiy features? |
| 09:17 | authority even | |
| 09:17 | jcamins | drojfx: hehe. |
| 09:18 | cait: fredericd did a patch for UNIMARC. | |
| 09:18 | eythian | cait: mine is the Asus Transformer, there are newer versions than mine out there now that are very similar but generally better. |
| 09:18 | cait | jcamins: I meant your nightmares :) |
| 09:18 | eythian | Though mine is aging well: it's still very handy. |
| 09:18 | cait | eythian: I know :) I have bookmarks to amazon... I think it could be a xmas present for myself |
| 09:18 | jcamins | cait: oh. |
| 09:18 | eythian | good plan :) |
| 09:18 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 09:19 | cait | only waiting a bit longer, I just booked 2 new distance study courses |
| 09:19 | eythian | cait: Sanne has one of the new ones, and considers it good, esp. for study where a full laptop isn't required. |
| 09:19 | cait | not too many distractions... |
| 09:19 | :) | |
| 09:20 | yeah it woud lhave been awesome for taking notes and researching links in my study time | |
| 09:20 | not running out of battery so fast | |
| 09:21 | eythian | yep |
| 09:22 | drojfx | "On December 22, 2011, toy maker Hasbro filed a lawsuit against Asus for copyright infringement. Hasbro requested that Asus change the name of the Prime, claiming that the name "Transformer Prime" is using its Transformers franchise to sell tablets" |
| 09:22 | oh my | |
| 09:22 | jcamins | Shari has a Transformer or Transformer Prime, too. |
| 09:22 | magnuse | haha |
| 09:23 | ooh, can this tablet transform into something else? i'll buy one and see! | |
| 09:23 | eythian | yeah, I think it went transformer, transformer prime, transformer infinity. |
| 09:23 | I have the first one. | |
| 09:23 | magnuse: yes, it has a detachable keyboard | |
| 09:24 | cait | magnuse: detachable keyboard!! |
| 09:24 | hehe | |
| 09:25 | hm | |
| 09:25 | hope my answer made sense | |
| 09:25 | on the mailing list | |
| 09:25 | I guess I should get ready to do some distance study work... bbiab | |
| 09:27 | magnuse | cait++ |
| 09:27 | cait | what for? |
| 09:27 | magnuse | the po question |
| 09:27 | cait | ah |
| 09:27 | magnuse | or answer, rather |
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| 09:35 | mveron | Hi #koha |
| 09:36 | drojf | hi mveron |
| 09:36 | cait | hi mveron :) |
| 09:36 | mveron | hi drojf and cait |
| 09:36 | Are you already translating? | |
| 09:36 | drojf | looks like you are on mailing lists than i am, cait and magnuse |
| 09:36 | on more | |
| 09:36 | cait | hm? |
| 09:37 | mveron: I did 3.8 last night | |
| 09:37 | it was mostly norwegian, I copied it | |
| 09:37 | jcamins | If anyone wants to do any translation on 3.6.x, now would be a good time. |
| 09:37 | drojf | you mean 3.6? |
| 09:37 | cait | mveron: or do you mean for 3.10? |
| 09:37 | jcamins | I'm going to e-mail fredericd and ask for a pull request. |
| 09:37 | mveron | Yes |
| 09:37 | drojf | i did 3.8 some daxs ago |
| 09:37 | cait | drojf: you are right, I mean 3.6 |
| 09:37 | drojf | i thought at least |
| 09:38 | cait | yep |
| 09:38 | thx for that btw :) drojf++ | |
| 09:38 | drojf | cait: i translated the norwegian |
| 09:38 | cait | I know |
| 09:38 | drojf | cait: but then wondered if that makes sense. stopped and wanted to ask you and forgot |
| 09:38 | cait | I kept the existing translations - but copied the strings that weren't - we are not going to use normarc I think |
| 09:38 | drojf | probably not |
| 09:38 | magnuse | definitely not! |
| 09:38 | cait | lol |
| 09:39 | magnuse | well unless you get customers in norway, of course |
| 09:39 | cait | well... you never know |
| 09:39 | drojf | and if for some reason i would use normarc one day, i would want it to be norwegian |
| 09:39 | but there were translations of normarc stuff already. other strings were just copied | |
| 09:39 | mveron | And about 3.10? Is there already work to be done? |
| 09:40 | cait | mveron: not yet |
| 09:40 | well testing testing testing :) | |
| 09:40 | magnuse | what would make sense is bug 7939 |
| 09:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7939 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Separate po files for different MARC dialects |
| 09:41 | jcamins | You should talk to druthb about that. |
| 09:41 | cait | hm good idea |
| 09:41 | but first we should get the help files out ;) | |
| 09:43 | magnuse | yes please :-) |
| 09:44 | cait | well |
| 09:44 | we should give druthb some time to get acquainted with the tools first | |
| 09:48 | jcamins | Give her a sporting chance, you mean? |
| 09:48 | cait | kind of :) |
| 09:48 | jcamins: what are you cooking/baking today? | |
| 09:48 | jcamins | cait: I don't know. |
| 09:48 | magnuse | patches! |
| 09:48 | wahanui | patches are on the bug |
| 09:50 | cait | jcamins: ! |
| 09:50 | jcamins | It's only 5:50 in the morning! |
| 09:50 | cait | but... but!! |
| 09:51 | drojf | if you worked in a bakery, you would be done baking by now |
| 09:51 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 09:51 | cait | hehe |
| 09:51 | brb | |
| 09:51 | * mveron | is going to cook |
| 09:53 | jcamins | In the dishwasher? :) |
| 10:00 | cait | :) |
| 10:00 | back | |
| 10:02 | gaetan_B | i have a marc21 question |
| 10:02 | cait | :) |
| 10:02 | jcamins is awake you are lucky heh | |
| 10:03 | gaetan_B | it seems that if you want the author to display in result lists (on opac and staff interface) you need to have it in th 100 field, what you have in 245c is not used, am i correct ? |
| 10:03 | (both with normal view and the default xslt) | |
| 10:03 | cait | I think that's true |
| 10:03 | we couldn't build links on 245$c | |
| 10:03 | jcamins | Correct. |
| 10:03 | gaetan_B | oh, so that's why |
| 10:03 | thanks :) | |
| 10:03 | mveron | jcamins: In the microwave - but it is dishwasher cooked lamb with lemon and couscous indeed, leftovers from an invitation :-) |
| 10:04 | jcamins | mveron: :) |
| 10:04 | cait | :) |
| 10:04 | yum | |
| 10:04 | jcamins | Does everyone in Switzerland use their dishwasher for cooking food? |
| 10:05 | cait | lol |
| 10:05 | mveron: be careful, you will form jcamins image of switzerland :) | |
| 10:06 | drojf | still have not tried it. don't have a dishwasher and dishwasher-having friends looked at me like i'm crazy when i asked |
| 10:06 | but it's on my list :D | |
| 10:07 | cait | hehe |
| 10:13 | mveron | jcamins: It's energy saving :-) |
| 10:17 | jcamins, cait, drojf: www.veron.ch/Dishwasher-Lamb.pdf | |
| 10:18 | drojf | mveron: that looks really good :) |
| 10:18 | jcamins | I think that may be the same dishwasher I have! |
| 10:20 | * magnuse | gets hungry |
| 10:20 | * cait | is hungry and has no dishwasher |
| 10:20 | cait | and I like he cups |
| 10:21 | an the dishes :) | |
| 10:22 | magnuse | bbl |
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| 12:24 | tcohen | morning #koha |
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| 12:26 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #911 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 12:28 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 3087 Fix Z39.50 server to return the correct record syntax <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2e26054e13a2057f5> |
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| 12:40 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 12:49 | * mveron | has to head away... |
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| 13:13 | drojf | is git down or is it me? |
| 13:14 | fatal: Unable to look up git.koha-community.org (port 9418) (Name or service not known) | |
| 13:14 | oleonard | Works for me drojf |
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| 13:14 | drojf | ok i'll restart the vm and try again, thanks for testing |
| 13:16 | magnuse | works for me too |
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| 13:23 | drojf | working for me again :) |
| 13:25 | libsysguy | jcamins: http://perlhacks.com/2012/10/dbic-vs-dbi/ |
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| 13:27 | jcamins | libsysguy: I'm pro-DBIC. |
| 13:28 | libsysguy | oh I know |
| 13:28 | i just thought it was an interesting article to share | |
| 13:33 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #911: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/911/ |
| 13:33 | f.demians: Bug 3087 Fix Z39.50 server to return the correct record syntax | |
| 13:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3087 enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB |
| 13:35 | cait1 | drojf++ |
| 13:37 | drojf | cait: it helps when people need signoffs for parts that i have open in my editor anyway ;) |
| 13:37 | cait1 even | |
| 13:52 | gerundio | hi :) |
| 13:52 | away from LDAP problematics for now | |
| 13:52 | digging into templating | |
| 13:52 | can you point me where to look into to customize OPAC's look & feel? | |
| 13:52 | jcamins | @quote search chainsaw |
| 13:52 | huginn | jcamins: 1 found: #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the..." |
| 13:52 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 13:53 | jcamins | @quote get 100 |
| 13:53 | huginn | jcamins: Quote #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, October 11, 2010) |
| 13:53 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 13:53 | jcamins | gerundio: you'll want to start with the sysprefs in the OPAC tab. |
| 13:53 | opacuserjs, etc. | |
| 13:53 | oleonard | gerundio: The most sustainable way to affect the appearance of the OPAC is through CSS and Javascript. |
| 13:54 | gerundio: That's because making changes to the templates leads to headaches when you upgrade Koha | |
| 13:57 | gerundio | jcamins, oleonard thanks for the feedback |
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| 13:57 | gerundio | answer me this: can I create my own OPAC template? |
| 13:57 | oleonard | You can if you want to maintain it across upgrades |
| 13:58 | jcamins | gerundio: yes, but the chances of that being a good idea are very slim. |
| 13:59 | gerundio | howcome... template structure changes at every version that comes out? |
| 13:59 | jcamins | Functionality is added. |
| 13:59 | Or otherwise changed. | |
| 13:59 | Why would you want custom templates? | |
| 14:01 | oleonard | In other words, what do you want to change which might require a custom template? |
| 14:01 | libsysguy | oleonard he could create his own theme right? |
| 14:01 | jcamins | oleonard: do I need translation today? |
| 14:02 | libsysguy: yeah, that's what we're saying is almost certainly a bad idea. | |
| 14:02 | libsysguy | well I suppose that is true |
| 14:02 | oleonard | libsysguy: He could. He could also use CSS and JavaScript to change the appearance and not have to deal with upgrade headaches |
| 14:02 | libsysguy | now that I think about it |
| 14:02 | * libsysguy | just used javascript to pretty much wipe out the page structure and rebuild it |
| 14:02 | libsysguy | die doc3 die |
| 14:05 | * jcamins | notes for gerundio's benefit that libsysguy's approach may not have been the best. |
| 14:05 | libsysguy | heh |
| 14:05 | * cait1 | thinks she will make brownies and pumkin apple cake |
| 14:05 | libsysguy | I forget sometimes my dry sense of humor doesn't come across as such |
| 14:06 | jcamins | libsysguy: I laughed. |
| 14:07 | libsysguy | poor gerundio is probably wiping out the page by now |
| 14:07 | $(body).clear(); | |
| 14:09 | but really…I did heavily modify the advanced search page | |
| 14:09 | http://catalog.uttyler.edu/cgi[…]ha/opac-search.pl | |
| 14:09 | granted it looks like its been…touched since I left | |
| 14:09 | gerundio | poor gerundio was afk and missed all your fun :p |
| 14:10 | basically I just want to make some changes to adapt OPAC to our library colors and such | |
| 14:10 | cait1 | gerundio: the summary is: avoid changing templates because it will give you headache, but there are plenty of other options before you have to resort to that |
| 14:10 | gerundio | I'm used to make changes on my own template, which is basically a copy of the base template |
| 14:11 | cait1 | gerundio: yep and exactly that is a bad idea |
| 14:11 | you want to change the css | |
| 14:11 | jcamins | gerundio: in that case you definitely have no excuse for making your own theme. |
| 14:11 | cait1 | if you update, your template copy will have none of the new functionality, stuff will be broken and not working etc. |
| 14:11 | it will be horrible | |
| 14:11 | jcamins | ^^ exactly |
| 14:11 | cait1 | libsysguy: is it possible they overdid it a bit with itemtypes? |
| 14:12 | libsysguy | hehe it is "possible" |
| 14:12 | jcamins | cait1: my sources say "yes." |
| 14:12 | cait1 | and with that... I am going shopping for baking ingredients :) |
| 14:12 | because - I am on vacation - yay! | |
| 14:12 | * libsysguy | demands cookies |
| 14:12 | libsysguy | :p |
| 14:12 | cait1 | sorry |
| 14:12 | gerundio | cait1, too much info :p |
| 14:13 | cait1 | you get to choose between pumpkin apple cake and brownies |
| 14:13 | no cookies | |
| 14:13 | libsysguy | i mean…don't you want to bake cookies for your new favorite QAA |
| 14:13 | cait1 | I am not good with cookies |
| 14:13 | lol | |
| 14:13 | * jcamins | made truffles yesterday. |
| 14:13 | libsysguy | oh I'll take either |
| 14:13 | jcamins | No, day before. |
| 14:13 | cait1 | it's not our turn yet |
| 14:13 | maybe then | |
| 14:13 | jcamins | A triple batch. |
| 14:13 | * libsysguy | waits patiently |
| 14:13 | cait1 | but I started setting up some tools to make it possible to be efficiently annoying |
| 14:14 | libsysguy | excellent |
| 14:14 | I have too | |
| 14:14 | I set up my own git repo | |
| 14:14 | cait1 | still have to set up some kohas |
| 14:14 | libsysguy | and an issue tracker for my own personal stuff |
| 14:14 | cait1 | hm I will try to use a combinatoin of todo list and wiki |
| 14:14 | and files | |
| 14:15 | we will see how it works out :) | |
| 14:15 | ok, I am gone | |
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| 15:02 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 15:03 | magnuse | @arewethereyet |
| 15:03 | huginn | magnuse: Not yet - wait 31 days |
| 15:04 | magnuse | one month! |
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| 15:24 | beet | that would be me BTW scuse lame tweet |
| 15:25 | oleonard | Trying to flush out the Koha people rhcl? |
| 15:25 | rhcl | testing the tweet - irc system |
| 15:26 | I don't have much of a sense of who's who (IRT koha) yet. | |
| 15:29 | gaetan_B | hmm i remember running into trouble with authorised values that had spaces in them |
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| 15:29 | gaetan_B | i remember having this with ccodes and the table to limit library transfers when it's based on ccodes |
| 15:29 | but are there other places where this has to be avoided ? | |
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| 15:37 | cait1_afk | gaetan_B: I think search was problematic |
| 15:37 | advanced search search options | |
| 15:38 | you should avoid them, there is a good blog post from talljoy about this on the bywater blog | |
| 15:38 | gaetan_B | cait1_afk: you mean for ccode, location and item types ? |
| 15:38 | cait1_afk | yes |
| 15:38 | to acoid spaces, - and other funny things in the codes | |
| 15:39 | http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]ventions-in-koha/ | |
| 15:39 | and sorry :) just came back from the super market | |
| 15:39 | jcamins | gaetan_B: anywhere you might possibly want to search for authorized value, you need to make sure there are no spaces in the code. |
| 15:39 | cait1_afk | I might have missed part of the conversation |
| 15:39 | gaetan_B | yes, but i'm stumbling again on the problem that the items will be displayed with its code and not its label on the opac, so i'm finding myself with not quite readable things in thoses boxes |
| 15:40 | cait1_afk | gaetan_B: that's a bug then with the display, not a reason to use spaces |
| 15:40 | :) | |
| 15:40 | gaetan_B | cait1_afk: well not really, i thought it was a bug, but i remember it caused a debate and not everyone agreed on this |
| 15:40 | i think you were on my side cait1_afk though ;) | |
| 15:40 | cait1_afk | heh |
| 15:41 | well, but I am against spaces :) | |
| 15:41 | gaetan_B | i think Nicole also had a similar problem |
| 15:41 | for me a patch was submitted so that we have the right behaviour with copynumber | |
| 15:42 | cait1_afk | what is the problem and where? |
| 15:42 | jcamins | gaetan_B: if there's another place where a code is displaying instead of the description, you should patch it so that the description displays. Adding spaces to codes is just going to result in searches for those authorized values not working- in Solr or in Zebra. |
| 15:43 | gaetan_B | that's the copy,number thing : http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7379 |
| 15:43 | huginn | 04Bug 7379: normal, P3, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , copynumber is displayed 'as is' when linked to autorised values |
| 15:44 | gaetan_B | it's pushed to master but not stable which is why i am not seeing it behaving like it should on the Koha i'm working on now |
| 15:44 | there was a more generic demand, which is now in discussion : | |
| 15:44 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=7515* | |
| 15:44 | huginn | 04Bug 7515: normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , authorized value code showing in opac for public note |
| 15:45 | gaetan_B | jcamins: ok so it should be one bug for each place where it's like that rather than one for all of them |
| 15:45 | i guess it makes sense | |
| 15:45 | err no sorry it's nicole's bug that i just linked to | |
| 15:46 | jcamins | gaetan_B: one bug at at a time- if you find something is displaying wrong in three places, you could patch all three at once. |
| 15:46 | gaetan_B | but Kyle is suggesting an elegant solution towards the end of the thread on bug 7515 |
| 15:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7515 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , authorized value code showing in opac for public note |
| 15:47 | jcamins | Right, that's how we fix the bug. |
| 15:48 | gaetan_B | the general bug is here, but didn't get much attention : http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7525 |
| 15:48 | huginn | 04Bug 7525: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , some database fields are displayed 'as is' when they are linked to autorised values |
| 15:50 | gaetan_B | anyway, i recycled enumchron, and had this problem again, jcamins do you think i should file a new bug for enumchron, or just add a comment to bug 7525 ? |
| 15:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7525 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , some database fields are displayed 'as is' when they are linked to autorised values |
| 15:50 | jcamins | gaetan_B: new bug. A report as vague as 7525 might as well not exist. |
| 15:50 | No one will ever look at it. | |
| 15:50 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8923 [Revised] Add ids to repeated pagination menus to allow for CSS customization <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]162b660ef2de7d6b7> / Bug 8933: Update transport cost matrix styles <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4bb8378126a4a1a1b> / Bug 8916 follow-up adding Mathieu Saby to contributors list <http://git.koha |
| 15:51 | gaetan_B | ok i'll close it then, i had opened it in the hope there would be a generic solution for these problems |
| 15:52 | cait1_afk | I think there sure is one , but noone is going to do it for the fun of it :( |
| 15:53 | gaetan_B | cait1_afk: yes, i understand that |
| 15:53 | i've been trying to promise unicorns and stuff | |
| 15:53 | but it seems no one believes i will actually deliver them in the end :p | |
| 15:55 | cait1_afk | unicorns? :) |
| 15:55 | what did you enumchron recycle to be? | |
| 15:56 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #912 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:58 | gaetan_B | cait1_afk: this library wants an extra definition of the "state" the document is in like the kind of binding, or weather it's just a bunch of leaves... |
| 15:59 | maybe i'd better of with something else than enumchron though | |
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| 16:01 | cait1_afk | hm |
| 16:01 | why use a field at al? | |
| 16:01 | you can just use more_subfield_xml | |
| 16:01 | you can add new subfields wihtout using database columns | |
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| 16:03 | cait1_afk | and sorry for all my typos today... :( |
| 16:03 | gaetan_B | cait1_afk: yes but would the field display in the detailed view ? |
| 16:03 | i thought it wouldn't | |
| 16:03 | cait1_afk | hm no, only in the marc view |
| 16:04 | gaetan_B | ah that's the trick then... |
| 16:04 | cait1_afk | or it used to show up there, I hope it still does |
| 16:04 | jcamins | gaetan_B: wouldn't it be a lot less trouble to just make it possible to display arbitrary subfields in the items table than to reuse enumchron, and then run into problems when they get a multi-volume set? |
| 16:04 | cait1_afk | last time I used it was for inventory number in an earlier version |
| 16:04 | jcamins: hm I was thinking that too :) | |
| 16:04 | and much safer | |
| 16:04 | gaetan_B | it's ok, we're going to use codes that make sense, but which still are codes, and i'll just tell them that someday things will be better |
| 16:05 | jcamins | gaetan_B: you'll have to repeat this migration when they decide they need to use enumeration/chronology for enumeration/chronology. |
| 16:05 | gaetan_B | jcamins: you mean subfields from the more_subfield_xml ? |
| 16:05 | jcamins | Right. |
| 16:06 | cait1_afk | gaetan_B: and they will want to use it when they use the serials module |
| 16:06 | and add items | |
| 16:06 | gaetan_B | jcamins: ideally yes, this is a very small project though, for a monastery, and they really don't have any money to fund a development |
| 16:08 | and unfortunately i have no idea how to achieve this myself | |
| 16:08 | cait1_afk | hmm |
| 16:08 | yeah, it's a bit bigger of a project I think | |
| 16:09 | gaetan_B | but i think enumchron might have been a tricky choice indeed |
| 16:09 | displaying arbitrary additionnal field would be *really* sweet though :) | |
| 16:11 | jcamins | Incredible. |
| 16:11 | Myshkin _insists_ that I follow him into his room and keep him company while he's eating. | |
| 16:12 | Pushiest cat ever. | |
| 16:19 | gaetan_B | actually there is a table that works really nicely with items, the one at the top of additem.pl, it even takes into account whatever is in moe_subfields_xml, and displays the proper text instead of the code |
| 16:19 | jcamins | paul_p: around? |
| 16:19 | paul_p | jcamins yep, pushing ;-) |
| 16:19 | gerundio | hey again, I've stumbled accross a weird thing regarding UNIMARC records encoding |
| 16:19 | jcamins | I knew you were pushing, but wasn't sure you were at IRC. |
| 16:19 | gerundio | anyone up to the task of trying to help me figure this out? :) |
| 16:19 | jcamins | You know about git-bz edit {bug number}, right? |
| 16:19 | gerundio: I don't do UNIMARC, sorry. | |
| 16:19 | paul_p | mmm... nope |
| 16:20 | jcamins | paul_p: oh, you should! |
| 16:20 | gaetan_B | gerundio: ask away ;) |
| 16:20 | gerundio | jcamins, I'm guessing not a lot of people do :D |
| 16:20 | paul_p | gerundio I know UNIMARC, but am in the process of pushing many patches... |
| 16:20 | jcamins | It's even more useful with my patched veresion of git-bz. |
| 16:20 | You can use git-bz edit to obsolete lots of patches on a bug at once. | |
| 16:20 | paul_p | gerundio = all frenchies do, and, fortunately, BibLibre is often around here ;-) |
| 16:20 | gaetan_B | gerundio: i know unimarc but i might not have the answer, what's the question ? |
| 16:20 | * paul_p | tries immediately !!! |
| 16:21 | gerundio | gaetan_B, paul_p, it's realted to "all frenchies" I guess :D |
| 16:21 | gaetan_B | "all frenchies" is a thing that might take you into trouble indeed ;) |
| 16:22 | jcamins | gaetan_B: that's why I don't use UNIMARC- I don't want to run into trouble! :P |
| 16:22 | I wish I could have UNIMARC authorities and MARC21 bibs. | |
| 16:23 | gerundio | I don't know if this makes much sense to you guys, but I've found what seem to be some hardcoded references to the national cataloging rules |
| 16:23 | gaetan_B | jcamins: i wish i could avoid it too, but i'm neck deep in it ! |
| 16:23 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 16:23 | gerundio | I keep finding harcoded references to "frey50" |
| 16:23 | gaetan_B | ah this is related to the encoding (unicode) |
| 16:23 | gerundio | yes |
| 16:24 | gaetan_B | the fre though |
| 16:24 | gerundio | but why hardcode it to French |
| 16:24 | gaetan_B | errr |
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| 16:24 | gerundio | ?? |
| 16:24 | gaetan_B | well it's embarassing i guess, because it really does look like somthing that shouldn't be hardcoded |
| 16:24 | * gaetan_B | is trying to cover up world domination plans from "all frenchies" |
| 16:25 | gerundio | it's not the frenchies you should worry about? :D |
| 16:25 | mixed punctuation... ment to write a ! and not a ? in the last sentence | |
| 16:26 | well, I see this seems to be a problem, do you agree? | |
| 16:26 | how can I help to fix it? | |
| 16:26 | gaetan_B | gerundio: i just opened my favourite tool to inflict pain on myself whenever required (my UNIMARC standard book) |
| 16:27 | gerundio | lolol, I don't know it but it does sound painful |
| 16:27 | gaetan_B | it shouldn't be hardcoded, there's an official list |
| 16:28 | the official langage list that is used at other places too | |
| 16:28 | jcamins | gerundio: the thing to do is add a syspref to set the default, I think. |
| 16:30 | gaetan_B | gerundio: frey50 is 3 different things actually |
| 16:30 | fre is for french, as you guessed, it's about bragging about our food again | |
| 16:30 | y means "no transliterration" | |
| 16:30 | 50 means unicode | |
| 16:30 | hope that helps | |
| 16:31 | gerundio | the thing is, I was looking into intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/value_builder/unimarc_field_100.pl |
| 16:31 | at line 95 we find: $result = ' d u y0frey50 ba' unless $result; | |
| 16:32 | gaetan_B | ah so it's a default value for whenever nothing is supplied for 100$a ? |
| 16:32 | gerundio | and the value of that $result variable, should be, as jcamins mentioned, set as a syspref I guess |
| 16:32 | does it make sense? | |
| 16:33 | jcamins | We do that for MARC21. |
| 16:33 | gaetan_B | gerundio: it could also be the default value for this field in the cataloging grid |
| 16:33 | ? | |
| 16:33 | sorry i meant marc structure | |
| 16:33 | gerundio | now your talking gibberish to me :D |
| 16:34 | gaetan_B | ok, i looked it up in the english interface :d it MARC bibliographic framework |
| 16:34 | *it's | |
| 16:34 | gerundio | right |
| 16:35 | is there any way to assign default values for a given field in the MARC bibliographic framework? | |
| 16:35 | jcamins | Yes, under "More constraints." |
| 16:39 | magnuse | woohoo for developer #193 |
| 16:39 | jcamins | Within striking distance of 200! |
| 16:39 | :D | |
| 16:39 | magnuse | yup! |
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| 16:40 | magnuse | when i started getting involved that number was approaching 100 |
| 16:40 | gaetan_B | jcamins: does pointing out the items table that is used in additems.pl in bug 7525 sound like an acceptable way of proposing a solution ? |
| 16:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7525 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , some database fields are displayed 'as is' when they are linked to autorised values |
| 16:40 | jcamins | Yes, I think so. |
| 16:40 | gaetan_B | it's a different problem in some way, but it would definitely solve the problem of recycled fields |
| 16:41 | gerundio | jcamins, where can I find "More constraints"? |
| 16:41 | gaetan_B | ok will do this then :) |
| 16:42 | * jcamins | was 111. |
| 16:42 | gerundio | think I found it |
| 16:42 | jcamins | gerundio: MARC frameworks. |
| 16:42 | wahanui | marc frameworks are specific to Koha. |
| 16:42 | gerundio | I edited a field and under the subfield editor I see a "Display more constraints" link |
| 16:42 | is that it? | |
| 16:43 | jcamins | Yes. |
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| 16:50 | gerundio | jcamins, I got some breakthrough but the fre value in "Language of cataloging" kept showing up even though I added ' d k||y0pory50 ba' as the default value for it |
| 16:51 | jcamins | I suspect the dropdown defaults to that, too. |
| 16:51 | gerundio | so the original value was ' d u y0frey50 ba', which ment I got Target audience code = u, no value for Target audience codes 2 and 3 |
| 16:52 | with the new value the Target audience code should've changed to k but it didn't, the u value remained unchanged | |
| 16:52 | Target audience codes 2 and 3 got update to | as instructed | |
| 16:52 | cait1_afk | i think that's a bu |
| 16:52 | g | |
| 16:52 | I had problems with that too | |
| 16:53 | the pull downs don't get preselected correctly it seems | |
| 16:53 | but I was not looking at master when I encountered this | |
| 16:53 | gerundio | ok, cait1_afk thanks for your input on this too :) |
| 16:54 | btw, from my experiment now some combo boxes show up the correct value | |
| 16:54 | others don't | |
| 16:54 | and even plain text input boxes show the wrong value | |
| 16:55 | cait1_afk | :( |
| 16:55 | jcamins | Are you using memcached? |
| 16:56 | You need to restart memcached if you are. | |
| 16:56 | Either that or you set the defaults for the wrong framework. | |
| 16:57 | gerundio | I'm using memcached :) |
| 16:57 | but even so, some values got updated while others didn't | |
| 16:57 | quick memcached restart, let's see what happens :) | |
| 16:57 | cait1_afk | fingers crossed |
| 16:58 | gerundio | you can uncross them |
| 16:58 | it worked :D | |
| 16:58 | cait1_afk | yay |
| 16:58 | gerundio | koha is officially bug free ehehehe |
| 16:58 | cait1_afk | so I remain with my problem then :) |
| 16:59 | maybe it was a bug in the version I was looking at | |
| 16:59 | jcamins | cait1_afk: this is the UNIMARC 100 plugin. |
| 16:59 | Every plugin can have different bugs. :/ | |
| 17:00 | cait1_afk | jcamins: oh, that makes sense :( |
| 17:00 | I will have to retest in master then | |
| 17:00 | gerundio | guys, thank you very much for your help once again |
| 17:00 | time for the LDAP koha guru to say farewell | |
| 17:00 | cait1_afk | our newest library is doing a lot of local cataloguing |
| 17:01 | gerundio | see you all tomorrow |
| 17:01 | cait1_afk | have a nice evening? gerundio |
| 17:03 | gaetan_B | bye, have a nice end of the day ! |
| 17:03 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #912: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/912/ |
| 17:03 | * tomascohen: Bug 8724 - Upgrade from NoZebra installs is broken | |
| 17:03 | * Paul Poulain: Bug 8724 follow-up DBRev number | |
| 17:03 | * adrien.saurat: Bug 7483: fixes on breadcrumbs in Authority administration | |
| 17:03 | * Paul Poulain: Bug 7483 follow-up replacing tabs by 4 spaces in both templates | |
| 17:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8724 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Upgrade from NoZebra installs is broken |
| 17:03 | jenkins_koha | * jonathan.druart: Babeltheque: Remove the unused tab on the opac detail page |
| 17:03 | * oleonard: Bug 8898 - Remove unused mainmenu include and related styles in the staff client | |
| 17:03 | * mathieu.saby: Bug 8916: Hide Curriculum index in advanced search if marcflavor = unimarc | |
| 17:03 | * Paul Poulain: Bug 8916 follow-up adding Mathieu Saby to contributors list | |
| 17:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7483 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , A more detailed breadcrumb for authority management |
| 17:03 | jenkins_koha | * nengard: Bug 8933: Update transport cost matrix styles |
| 17:03 | * oleonard: Bug 8923 [Revised] Add ids to repeated pagination menus to allow for CSS customization | |
| 17:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8898 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove unused mainmenu include and related styles in the staff client |
| 17:03 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8916 minor, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Hide Curriculum index in advanced search for unimarc marcflavor | |
| 17:03 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8933 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , transport cost matrix capitalization wrong | |
| 17:03 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8923 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add ids to repeated pagination menus to allow for CSS customization | |
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| 17:26 | * chris_n | looks around and blinks |
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| 17:31 | chris_n | anyone know of a quick and easy way to move perl libs from one os install to another? (assuming both os's are the same ver) |
| 17:32 | jcamins | chris_n: how are they installed? |
| 17:40 | paul_p | mmm... authorities search don't work anymore on my test Koha. Have I broken something ? Can't call method "data" on an undefined value at /home/paul/koha.dev/koha-community/C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm line 342. I'll investigate tomorrow. Time to leave now ! (almost 8PM) |
| 17:40 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #913 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 17:40 | paul_p | bye guys, and see you tomorrow ! |
| 17:43 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8945: Update comments help file <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]45fe8b2047284abe1> / Bug 8945: Hold help file <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2a3b5c839fea01537> / Bug 8945: Reports Help Files <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f0a8f9a53cb9aa57b> / Bug 8945 |
| 17:43 | chris_n | jcamins: variously package manager and cpan |
| 17:44 | I'll probably just have to catalog them and reinstall :-P | |
| 17:44 | jcamins | chris_n: for package manager, you can use dpkg --get-selections. |
| 17:44 | For cpan, you can copy /usr/local | |
| 17:44 | But you might or might not want to do that. | |
| 17:44 | Probably not. | |
| 17:45 | chris_n | you mean there may be something I can do that I might not want to? |
| 17:45 | I definitely do not want to break a brand new install | |
| 17:45 | after being off-the-air for several weeks | |
| 17:46 | jcamins | Right. I would recommend against copying /usr/local. |
| 17:46 | But that's how you do it. | |
| 17:46 | chris_n | k, I can at least get a list from there |
| 17:47 | tnx | |
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| 18:03 | chris_n | brb |
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| 18:05 | Schildkroete | good evening |
| 18:07 | oleonard | Hi Schildkroete |
| 18:07 | Schildkroete | anyone willing to answer a quick question about z39-50 in Koha? I have gained access to a sever, but apparently it only speaks MAB (some German thing if i am not misstaken). Is there any way to include that Server in Koha? |
| 18:08 | jcamins | No. |
| 18:08 | It has to return MARC. | |
| 18:08 | Schildkroete | well, it does not :) |
| 18:09 | Z> show 1 | |
| 18:09 | Sent presentRequest (1+1). | |
| 18:09 | Diagnostic message(s) from database: | |
| 18:09 | [238] Record not available in requested syntax -- v2 addinfo 'Available syntax: MAB' | |
| 18:09 | at least it says so :=) | |
| 18:09 | jcamins | Ouch. |
| 18:09 | Schildkroete | thank you :=) |
| 18:09 | jcamins | Not even SUTRS! (not that you could've used SUTRS either, of course) |
| 18:09 | There was work on a feature that could have made it possible to write a converter to handle MAB. | |
| 18:09 | But it never got in. | |
| 18:10 | And would have required a great deal of programming to support MAB. | |
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| 18:10 | jcamins | If you're a programmer interested in revisiting the issue, I can find the bug report for you, and you can see about adding MAB support. :) |
| 18:10 | * jcamins | crosses his fingers hopefully. :D |
| 18:11 | Schildkroete | sounds awesome :) But i am not quite sure if i have the skills nor the time at the moment :) |
| 18:11 | jcamins | It's always the time that's the problem. |
| 18:11 | Schildkroete | or a clue, where the exact difference between MAB and MARCxy is :) |
| 18:12 | jcamins | I don't know anything about MAB, but cait showed me a record once, and it was weird. |
| 18:13 | (sorry, not hugely helpful I know) | |
| 18:13 | Schildkroete | not a problem :) |
| 18:14 | and to me it is just as weired as a plain Marcrecord :) | |
| 18:15 | but could you maybe forward me the bug report anyway? | |
| 18:16 | jcamins | Bug 6536 |
| 18:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6536 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Z3950 Enhancements: SRU targets, MARC conversion, additional XSLT processing |
| 18:16 | Schildkroete | thank you |
| 18:17 | jcamins | You're welcome. |
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| 18:22 | Schildkroete | jcamins: could you maybe point me to the right direction where the conversation takes place in koha? |
| 18:23 | jcamins | Schildkroete: Right now there is no conversion, which is the problem. |
| 18:24 | Schildkroete | i see :) |
| 18:24 | jcamins | Most of the code is probably in cataloguing/z3950_search.pl and C4/Breeding.pm |
| 18:25 | Note that that's "most" not "all." | |
| 18:25 | Encapsulation in that part of the code is... not necessarily what we might want. | |
| 18:28 | cait1_afk | hi Schildkroete |
| 18:29 | where are you from? your nick is German - so I am curious :) | |
| 18:35 | jcamins | cait1_afk: and s/he uses MAB. |
| 18:36 | rangi | Morning |
| 18:36 | wahanui | well, Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. |
| 18:36 | oleonard | Hi rangi |
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| 18:38 | oleonard | Marshall answers: Loads of people are switching to Open Source, which shows that Open Source is still struggling and can't be considered a trend |
| 18:38 | rangi | Hehe he actually didn't say that at lianza he said real alternative |
| 18:39 | Which was interesting | |
| 18:39 | jcamins | lol |
| 18:39 | oleonard | Progress? |
| 18:39 | wahanui | i think Progress is good |
| 18:39 | jcamins | oleonard: have you ever considered a career in stand-up? |
| 18:39 | I laughed. | |
| 18:39 | rhcl | follow #internetlibrarian if interested -- lots of koha-related tweets not specifically tagged kohails |
| 18:40 | oleonard | Yeah, librarians are terrible at classifying stuff with subject headings :P |
| 18:40 | rangi | Good conference so far? |
| 18:43 | chris_n | g'afternoon (or whatever) |
| 18:44 | rangi | Hey chris_n! |
| 18:44 | wahanui | release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. or late on 3.6.5 |
| 18:45 | chris_n | hi rangi |
| 18:46 | rangi | Yeah |
| 18:46 | I agree with Nicole | |
| 18:47 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #913: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/913/ |
| 18:47 | * nengard: Bug 8934: Fix transport cost matrix help language | |
| 18:47 | * f.demians: Bug 8870 UNIMARC authorities search doesn't display information properly | |
| 18:47 | * oleonard: Bug 8935 - transport cost matrix could be prettier | |
| 18:47 | * oleonard: Bug 8912 - Remove unused hold-menu.inc | |
| 18:47 | * nengard: Bug 8944: Fix invoices search wording | |
| 18:47 | * nengard: Bug 8945: Update help files for 3.10 | |
| 18:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8934 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , fix typo and language on transport cost matrix |
| 18:47 | jenkins_koha | * nengard: Bug 8945: Acquisitions Help Files for 3.10 |
| 18:47 | * nengard: Bug 8945: Administration Help Files | |
| 18:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8870 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , UNIMARC authorities search doesn't display properly information |
| 18:47 | jenkins_koha | * nengard: Bug 8945: Authority Help Files |
| 18:47 | * nengard: Bug 8945: Catalogue Help Files | |
| 18:47 | * nengard: Bug 8945: Cataloging Help Files | |
| 18:47 | * nengard: Bug 8945: Add missing detail help file to catalog | |
| 18:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8935 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , transport cost matrix could be prettier |
| 18:47 | jenkins_koha | * nengard: Bug 8945: Circulation help files |
| 18:47 | * nengard: Bug 8945: Label help files | |
| 18:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8912 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove unused hold-menu.inc |
| 18:47 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8944 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , fix wording on invoice search | |
| 18:47 | jenkins_koha | * nengard: Bug 8945: Update patron help files |
| 18:47 | * nengard: Bug 8945: Add patron routing list help file | |
| 18:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8945 major, P5 - low, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Koha 3.10 Help Files Update |
| 18:47 | jenkins_koha | * nengard: Bug 8945: Update offline circ help files |
| 18:47 | * nengard: Bug 8945: Update patron card creator help files | |
| 18:47 | * nengard: Bug 8945: Reports Help Files | |
| 18:47 | * nengard: Bug 8945: Hold help file | |
| 18:47 | * nengard: Bug 8945: Update comments help file | |
| 18:50 | rangi | Speaking of more open |
| 18:52 | cait1_afk | hm? |
| 18:53 | jcamins: oh, I had missed all the earlier conversation :) MAB is a good hint | |
| 18:54 | rangi | Hmm that's one meaning |
| 18:55 | More importantly they can share those mods | |
| 18:56 | I can mod all sorts of things if I sign nda or pay to play | |
| 18:56 | rhcl | a tweet line can't really convey everything said |
| 18:56 | I may not be fairly representing everything | |
| 18:56 | rangi | Doesn't make them open source |
| 18:56 | Yeah it's hard with tweetd | |
| 18:56 | I appreciate you trying | |
| 18:56 | jcamins | rhcl: that said, do you really think that you misrepresented with that tweet? |
| 18:56 | * jcamins | does not. |
| 18:57 | too appreciates the livetweet. | |
| 18:57 | rhcl | I don't think I did given the limitations. Marshall really did give a fair definition. |
| 19:00 | looks like it's taking 3-5 minutes for tweets to show here | |
| 19:00 | rangi | Yep that's about right |
| 19:01 | oleonard | You can't query the Twitter API every 30 seconds, there's a limit |
| 19:01 | rhcl | lots of closing talk about koha by Marshall and audience |
| 19:01 | lunch, bbl | |
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| 19:06 | Schildkroete | cait1_afk: sry, i am having dinner with my flatmates. But i am located in Bonn |
| 19:06 | cait1_afk | hi then |
| 19:06 | I am in Konstanz :) | |
| 19:06 | Schildkroete | just around the corner ;) |
| 19:07 | cait1_afk | well... compared to others here, probably :) |
| 19:07 | Schildkroete | indeed :) |
| 19:08 | cait1_afk | are you installing koha for alibrary? or researching? |
| 19:09 | Schildkroete | installing koha for a small library |
| 19:10 | or better, figuring if koha suits our needs | |
| 19:10 | which so far it does | |
| 19:12 | cait1_afk | cool :) |
| 19:12 | come back if you have any questions | |
| 19:12 | Schildkroete | i will, thank you |
| 19:12 | cait1_afk | and don't forget to sign your library up at the koha wiki later :) |
| 19:13 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/KohaUsers/Europe < European Koha users :) | |
| 19:14 | Schildkroete | if we gert everything up and running and manage to enter all the data without bashing our heads in :P |
| 19:15 | cait1_afk | ok |
| 19:15 | fair :) | |
| 19:16 | Schildkroete | which remainds me, does anyone know a good z39-target for german books, mostly on the topic of theology? |
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| 19:22 | cait1_afk | um |
| 19:23 | pm | |
| 19:23 | :) | |
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| 19:32 | drojf | deutschenschwemme |
| 19:34 | cait1_afk | lol |
| 19:34 | wurde doch zeit? about time? | |
| 19:35 | drojf | koha germs :D |
| 19:35 | cait1_afk | hehe |
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| 19:50 | oleonard | The OPAC should be functional without JavaScript. Should self checkout? |
| 19:50 | Right now it isn't, fully. | |
| 19:51 | rangi | hmm |
| 19:51 | yes it should | |
| 19:51 | good catch oleonard | |
| 19:52 | oleonard | My hesitation was that like with the staff client the library does have control over the machine self checkout is running on, presumably. |
| 19:53 | ...although none of the js-dependent functionality I see really needs to be js-dependent AFAICT | |
| 19:54 | rangi | *nod* |
| 19:54 | and often if you can't do it without js, it means that some checking is being done by js .. which isnt backed up by checking on the backend, ... which is messy | |
| 19:59 | cjh | :( |
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| 20:02 | cait1_afk | hi cjh :) |
| 20:02 | ok, last time I did that, the css got a bit out of control | |
| 20:02 | cjh | cait1_afk: hey cait :) |
| 20:03 | cait1_afk | I want to change the opac layout to be ...hm. static width? |
| 20:03 | any hints on a nice opac I could steal from? :) | |
| 20:03 | * oleonard | remembers doing that once... ages ago. |
| 20:03 | cait1_afk | I did it once... but I am not sure I want to start from there again |
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| 20:06 | rangi | cait1_afk: the library did this all themselves and I quite like it |
| 20:06 | http://library.waitaki.govt.nz/ | |
| 20:07 | cjh | oh wow, they hire out ereaders. The future is here. |
| 20:07 | rangi | it is in oamaru anyway :) |
| 20:08 | cjh | hahahaha |
| 20:09 | cait1_afk | thx rangi :) |
| 20:09 | ah - it's nice :) | |
| 20:10 | oleonard | cait1_afk: The way I remember doing it is that I redefined the #doc3 grid using the CSS forthe YUI fixed-width grid with the fixed width I wanted |
| 20:10 | cait1_afk | oleonard: thx for the hints - but I am not sure I know hwere to start now |
| 20:10 | hm | |
| 20:11 | is there a website for yui or an example or a blog post I could look at? | |
| 20:11 | oleonard | http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/grids/builder/ |
| 20:11 | #doc3 is the full-width "100%" layout | |
| 20:12 | If you take the CSS for say, #doc2 (950px) and redefine #doc3 using that, it should work | |
| 20:12 | cait1_afk | ugh |
| 20:12 | I will try | |
| 20:12 | oleonard | #doc3{width:73.074em;*width:71.313em; } |
| 20:12 | cait1_afk | not sure I get it, but I will try :) |
| 20:13 | thx! | |
| 20:13 | oleonard | Correction: #doc3{width:73.074em;*width:71.313em;margin:auto;} |
| 20:13 | rangi | cjh: how'd the assignments go? |
| 20:14 | cait1_afk | oleonard: give me a few minutes - have to reset the installation a bit |
| 20:15 | cjh | rangi: went great, most of it was fiddly work trying to get the tab alignment the way they wanted it >.>, have another due tonight and then im 'free' |
| 20:15 | oleonard | I have to leave, but I'd be happy to help later if I can |
| 20:15 | * oleonard | waves |
| 20:15 | cjh | o/ |
| 20:15 | rangi | cjh: yay! |
| 20:15 | cait1_afk | bye oleonard :) |
| 20:15 | and thank you :) | |
| 20:15 | rangi | cya oleonard |
| 20:26 | cait1_afk | oleonard++ |
| 20:29 | jcamins | rangi: could you do me a favor? |
| 20:29 | Take a look at my XSS fix on opac-authoritydetail.pl. | |
| 20:29 | In 3.8.6. | |
| 20:29 | Does it _do_ anything? | |
| 20:30 | I'm trying to cherry-pick it to 3.6.x, and I swear the patch doesn't do look the same as when I wrote it. | |
| 20:31 | s/do look/look/ | |
| 20:32 | rangi | looking now |
| 20:33 | 94d3e6e713a6550004ead6f95953586ab814f982 eh? | |
| 20:33 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 20:33 | rangi | just whitespace |
| 20:34 | jcamins | Okay, at least it's not my imagination. |
| 20:34 | rangi | -my $authid = $query->param('authid'); |
| 20:34 | +my $authid = $query->param('authid'); | |
| 20:34 | jcamins | That's weird, because the patch on Bugzilla closes the XSS hole. |
| 20:35 | rangi | weird, when it applied thats all it seemed to do |
| 20:35 | should add +$authid = int($authid); eh? | |
| 20:35 | jcamins | Right. |
| 20:36 | rangi | ill fix the file in 3.8.x, it must have been my error when doing a conflict resolution |
| 20:37 | id try just applying from the patch to 3.6.x | |
| 20:37 | none of them are in master yet ;( | |
| 20:37 | jcamins | Yeah, I'm applying directly off bugzilla and getting what I expected. |
| 20:38 | rangi | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6b83df696c8dca702 |
| 20:38 | just fixed on 3.8.x | |
| 20:39 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 20:40 | rangi | thanks for spotting it |
| 20:40 | jcamins | You're welcome. |
| 20:40 | cjh | awesome work jcamins |
| 20:40 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #210 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 20:41 | jcamins | cjh++ # for patching the last XSS vulnerability |
| 20:41 | cjh | I am a little worried that arachni still reports them as vulnerable though |
| 20:41 | jcamins: ty for the fun task :) | |
| 20:41 | jcamins | Yeah, that confuses me as well. |
| 20:42 | cjh | looking at its example input it just inserts a string of alphanumerical and underscores, and if it sees it in the output page says 'yeap, vulnerable as that input isnt legitimate' |
| 20:43 | I would like the report to come out clean though, may have to ask the author of the xss_ modules. | |
| 20:43 | rangi | i think they would like feedback |
| 20:43 | jcamins | They do say "please report any false positives." |
| 20:44 | cjh | there is a big 'report false positive' button, but I dont think I am that confident :) |
| 20:44 | jcamins | Nor am I. |
| 20:45 | cjh | time to wander off and do my concurrency assignment, have a good day/night everyone. |
| 20:46 | rangi | cya cjh |
| 20:48 | cait1_afk | bye cjh :) |
| 20:49 | jcamins | Bye cjh |
| 20:56 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #62 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #58 1 mo 8 days ago) |
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| 21:22 | rangi | heh |
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| 21:42 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #210: SUCCESS in 1 hr 1 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/210/ |
| 21:42 | Chris Cormack: Bug 3652 - Fixing a mistake in conflict resolution and closing an issue | |
| 21:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P1 - high, ---, chrish, Signed Off , XSS vulnerabilities |
| 21:43 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #211 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:47 | cait1_afk | oleonard++ again |
| 21:47 | so much easier than last time I tried to do this | |
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| 22:23 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.6.x build #62: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 27 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.6.x/62/ |
| 22:23 | * jcamins: Bug 3652: close XSS vulnerabilities on biblionumber and authid | |
| 22:23 | * jcamins: Bug 3652: close XSS vulnerabilities in opac-export | |
| 22:23 | * chrish: bug 3652 fixing XSS vulnerabilities in opac-search | |
| 22:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P1 - high, ---, chrish, Signed Off , XSS vulnerabilities |
| 22:24 | jcamins | rangi: any idea why it's failing? |
| 22:24 | rangi | yep, db stuff |
| 22:25 | the db is inconsistent with 3.6.x | |
| 22:25 | jcamins | So- still nothing to worry about? |
| 22:25 | rangi | nope |
| 22:25 | its the aq tables | |
| 22:28 | we could disable that test for 3.6.x | |
| 22:32 | jcamins | Might not be a bad idea. |
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| 22:41 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #211: SUCCESS in 58 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/211/ |
| 22:41 | * kyle: Bug 8862 - merge.pl contains untranslatable strings | |
| 22:41 | * Paul Poulain: Bug 8862 follow-up s/\t/4spaces/g | |
| 22:41 | * mirko: Bug 4177 opaccloud missing from the system preferences interface | |
| 22:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8862 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , merge.pl contains untranslatable strings |
| 22:41 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4177 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Stable , opaccloud missing from the system preferences interface | |
| 22:42 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #212 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 22:53 | rangi | accessibility is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Accessibility |
| 22:53 | accessibility? | |
| 22:53 | wahanui | i heard accessibility was http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Accessibility |
| 22:54 | eythian | wahanui: a11y is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Accessibility |
| 22:54 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 23:06 | cait1_afk | @later tell oleonard - that worked like a charm - thank you. Maybe needs some more adjusting when there is a colored background, because header and footer seem to be a bit off - but for white all is nice now. :) |
| 23:06 | huginn | cait1_afk: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:08 | jcamins | a11y? |
| 23:08 | wahanui | i heard a11y was http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Accessibility |
| 23:08 | jcamins | Does anyone write that? |
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| 23:20 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #212: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/212/ |
| 23:20 | * jonathan.druart: Bug 8792 : Babeltheque: Remove the unused tab on the opac detail page | |
| 23:20 | * oleonard: Bug 8898 - Remove unused mainmenu include and related styles in the staff client | |
| 23:20 | * oleonard: Bug 8912 - Remove unused hold-menu.inc | |
| 23:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8792 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Babeltheque tab is useless |
| 23:20 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8898 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Remove unused mainmenu include and related styles in the staff client | |
| 23:20 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8912 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Remove unused hold-menu.inc | |
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