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| 00:07 | jcamins_mib | wajasu: the route to my VPS went down in flames, so I'll respond once I check the logs and know if you figured out your problem. |
| 00:08 | Okay, yeah, you can just go through the webinstaller as usual. No problems yet. | |
| 00:08 | But you are done for the day, so you can do that tomorrow. :) | |
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| 00:21 | wajasu | can he run updatedatabase.pl in the koha-common ? maybe he is doing a post-installl step. |
| 00:21 | jcamins | No, that's always done. |
| 00:22 | It has nothing to do with the patch. | |
| 00:22 | It's something that should probably be changed, but in practice it's pretty uncommon to run koha-create, *then* an update, without ever using the instance. | |
| 00:25 | wajasu | i see. |
| 00:25 | thx | |
| 00:27 | he has me cpan Koha::Contrib::Tamil. its got alot of stuff. (Moose and friends) | |
| 00:44 | jcamins | It sure does. |
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| 02:02 | wajasu | i think its my VM builder script. i haven't build one since early august, and maybe i am pulling a newer one from sqeeze main I'm trying squeeze-dev main now. |
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| 03:10 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 03:10 | wajasu: You there? | |
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| 03:21 | phlunk | hey, I am just wanting to make some small changes to the koha rss output, can anyone tell me the name of the format the .tt template files are made in? trying to find out if I can add some logic in there so I don't need to adjust anything but the templates. |
| 03:37 | mtj | phlunk -> http://template-toolkit.org/ |
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| 03:51 | phlunk | thanks mtj |
| 03:51 | mtj | sweet azz bruv ;) |
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| 04:10 | mtompset | Greetings, mtj cait etc. :) |
| 04:10 | cait | hi mtompset |
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| 04:50 | * mtompset | grumbles about a netbook with only 2GB of ram trying to operate like a workstation. |
| 04:50 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 04:51 | mtj, I got a reply from Colin and have just posted a bug 780. :) | |
| 04:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=780 normal, P2, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, problems with koha upgrade script |
| 04:51 | mtompset | Oops... bug 8780 |
| 04:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8780 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Lower dependency version for DateTime::TimeZone |
| 04:52 | mtompset | Now back to testing doc on Debian git. |
| 04:59 | phlunk | tx again mtj and also, 5pm!! ;) cyas |
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| 05:35 | * magnuse | waves |
| 05:36 | mtompset | Greetings, magnuse. How are you? |
| 05:36 | I'm about to test a patch to lower DateTime::TimeZone version number to 1.20 | |
| 05:38 | cait | morning magnuse :) |
| 05:40 | magnuse | fine thanks, mtompset |
| 05:41 | kia ora cait! | |
| 05:51 | cait | :) |
| 05:55 | mtompset | slides? |
| 05:55 | wahanui | kf should be writing slides |
| 05:55 | mtompset | Is this still accurate? |
| 06:01 | mbalmer joined #koha | |
| 06:03 | magnuse | hiya mbalmer |
| 06:05 | cait | mtompset: yeah... |
| 06:05 | again. | |
| 06:05 | but not today. | |
| 06:05 | mtompset | Greetings, mbalmer. |
| 06:08 | mbalmer | good morning! |
| 06:09 | cait | morning mbalmer |
| 06:15 | alex_a | bonjour tout le monde ! |
| 06:15 | cait, mbalmer, mtompset \o | |
| 06:15 | mbalmer | cpan on my machine says Data::Paginator is up to date (0.05), yet in the Koha about page, the Perl modules listing, it is listed in red as Not Installed. |
| 06:15 | cait | hi alex_a :) |
| 06:15 | mbalmer | bonjour alex_a |
| 06:15 | same for a few other modules. | |
| 06:16 | mtompset | mblamer... there are sub-dependencies which cause this to be the case. |
| 06:16 | I don't know why you would need these optional sub-dependencies, but seemingly you do to get a version number out of it. | |
| 06:16 | I can't remember how I tracked them down, but I remember doing so recently. | |
| 06:17 | mbalmer | well, perl Makefile.PL shows no missing modules. So I have no idea what is missing here. |
| 06:17 | cait | mbalmer: you can ignore it unless you want to use solr I think |
| 06:17 | mtompset | Exactly. |
| 06:17 | Data::Paginator is for Solr stuff. | |
| 06:17 | And as far as I know, it is OPTIONAL. | |
| 06:18 | bonjour, alex_a | |
| 06:20 | mtj | … still sounds like a bug, to me |
| 06:22 | if ive got D::P installed, and koha says its not… its a bug, surely? | |
| 06:22 | mbalmer | yes, it is a bug. |
| 06:22 | but then, there are many bugs in Koha ;) | |
| 06:23 | cait | there are many bugs in every software... |
| 06:23 | and we can fix all the bugz :) | |
| 06:26 | mtompset | It's not a bug in Koha. It's a bug in the installed dependencies which prevent it from properly reporting the version number. |
| 06:26 | mtj | mbalmer, whats your point? |
| 06:27 | * mtompset | mumbles something about "Moose" under his breath. |
| 06:29 | mtompset | I suspect if you install "Log::Any" "Moose" "Hash::MoreUtils" "Carp::Assert" "Data::UUID" and "Time::Duration::Parse" (things I had to install to get the CHI and CHI::Driver::Memcached to display a version number correctly) it may fix your problem... but unless you are going to use Solar... DON'T INSTALL MOOSE! |
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| 06:29 | mtompset | Let me see if I can recall the "perl -e" command line to trigger a version number, and the errors which led me down this path. |
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| 06:31 | mbalmer | mtj, my point is that it is annoying to see these red bars when Koha is actually lying to us about missing modules. It triggers an "alert" in every conscious sysadmins brain…. |
| 06:32 | mtj | mbalmer, no, the statement *after* that statement… whats your point? |
| 06:33 | mbalmer | mtj, the one about bugs? |
| 06:34 | mtompset | perl -e "use {module}; print {module}->VERSION,\"\n\";" |
| 06:34 | That should trigger the error on the missing dependency. | |
| 06:34 | But it really isn't "missing". | |
| 06:35 | mtj | mbalmer, yeah that one… why say something that makes everyone feel bad? |
| 06:37 | mtompset | Only if they read the IRC logs or are intentionally lurking, mtj. ;) |
| 06:37 | mbalmer | haha, well, because it is very true, as it is for most software systems of a certain complexity. just look at the bug database, there for sure are many bugs around. no one should feel bad about that. it's just an obvious fact. |
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| 06:38 | julian_m | hello |
| 06:38 | mtompset | greetings, julian_m |
| 06:39 | * mtompset | dislikes got cloning a fresh copy. |
| 06:39 | mtompset | ^got^git^ |
| 06:39 | julian_m | hello mtompset |
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| 06:42 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:44 | mtompset | So, mbalmer, if you wish to figure out what dependencies are missing, you can use: perl -e "use {module}; print {module}->VERSION,\"\n\";" |
| 06:44 | mbalmer | ah, ok, thanks! |
| 06:44 | mtompset | Then install them as they become apparent. |
| 06:44 | But you don't need to. | |
| 06:45 | And if you end up installing Moose... so help you. | |
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| 07:01 | * magnuse | concludes that mtompset is not a fan of moose |
| 07:02 | mtompset | Well, I haven't formed an opinion based on experience, just on what I have read. |
| 07:02 | The load times for Moose are... bad. | |
| 07:02 | magnuse | yeah, you would not want that without plack or something like it |
| 07:02 | or so i gather | |
| 07:03 | mtompset | I can't recall, but someone posted a few benchmarks. |
| 07:09 | magnuse | yeah, there's no doubt that (a) moose is a big beast :-) |
| 07:10 | mtompset | Which is why we were also discussing Mouse and Moo. |
| 07:10 | magnuse | ah yes |
| 07:11 | mtompset | All of them have a forward compatible with Moose syntax capability, and so I'm pretty sure the consensus in the discussion was that we should stick with Moose-like syntax. |
| 07:11 | this means we do go forward with plak and moose, we've got code that will transport well. | |
| 07:12 | magnuse | good plan |
| 07:12 | mtompset | If we want to rework solr to be moo-based instead, we can do that, and still have compatibility. |
| 07:12 | (that was not really an option) | |
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| 07:16 | rangi | evening |
| 07:19 | mtompset | Evening, rangi. |
| 07:22 | kf joined #koha | |
| 07:23 | magnuse | kia ora rangi |
| 07:23 | mtompset | Greetings, kf. :) |
| 07:23 | kf | hi magnuse |
| 07:23 | hi rangi | |
| 07:23 | rangi | hi mtompset, magnuse and kf |
| 07:36 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 07:37 | samuel joined #koha | |
| 07:37 | samuel | hi everybody |
| 07:38 | mtompset | Greetings, drojf and samuel |
| 07:39 | samuel | question: we have problems to import items and link them with bibliographics records. |
| 07:39 | kf | how are you trying to do it? |
| 07:40 | samuel | so, we have first made an import of our bibliographic records.... |
| 07:41 | now, as our items are in another table, we want now import them but something is not clear for me.... | |
| 07:41 | mtompset | Should not the items be in the same MARC file that is staged initially? |
| 07:42 | You split them, which seems strange to me. | |
| 07:42 | samuel | when i am in stage marc records for import, the item "record matching rule" is fixed on "do not looking for matching records". I can't choose another solution. That would may be the reason i can't link bib and items records? I've not tested with bulkmarcimport for the moment. |
| 07:42 | i have not choice, our old ils separate bibliographic and items | |
| 07:43 | it would be logic to have both in one file | |
| 07:43 | * mtompset | steps aside for some expert to answer, because I don't know a simple solution. |
| 07:46 | mtompset | Have you used MarcEdit before? I haven't tried the Join tool, but it may be what you need. |
| 07:47 | kf | samuel: hm |
| 07:47 | samuel: how are you trying to match them? in which format is the file you are trying to import? | |
| 07:47 | samuel: and which version of Koha are you looking at? | |
| 07:47 | samuel | mtompset: join tool, why not, i'll try it :-) |
| 07:48 | kf: i use 3.8 | |
| 07:48 | mtompset | Take backup copies. :) |
| 07:48 | kf | I wonder why you can't change the setting - you shoudl be able to - but only after selecting a mjatch point |
| 07:48 | so you need a field in both the bilbiographic imported records and the same field in the items that match | |
| 07:48 | so the system knows what to link | |
| 07:49 | samuel | kf: my files are in marc |
| 07:49 | mtompset | so basically, you have a working koha, but if you search for a biblio, it has no items. |
| 07:49 | because the items were in a separate file. | |
| 07:50 | samuel | mtompset: yes, that's the situation |
| 07:50 | kf | samuel: yes, but what are you matching on? |
| 07:50 | you need to deifne a matching rule for what you are trying to do | |
| 07:50 | if you have not set up one, that' sprobably why you can't select the option to match | |
| 07:57 | samuel | i have 995 field in my bibliographic records and 995 field in my items records |
| 07:59 | kf | hm, I don't think that will work |
| 07:59 | you need to pick a field that is indexed | |
| 08:00 | and it needs to have the same value in both bibliographic and item records | |
| 08:00 | mtompset | 995? UNIMARC? |
| 08:00 | kf | sorry, I have to go to a meeting |
| 08:01 | samuel | mtompset: yes |
| 08:02 | mtompset | Sorry, I have no experience with UNIMARC at all. |
| 08:02 | I couldn't help, even if I wanted to. :( | |
| 08:04 | samuel | i understand, don't worry |
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| 08:58 | mtompset | If only samuel was here now, you might have been able to help him, paul_p. :) |
| 08:58 | Bonjour. :) | |
| 08:58 | paul_p | hello |
| 08:58 | (forgot to launch xchat this morning...) | |
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| 09:11 | kf | hi paul_p |
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| 09:35 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha. |
| 09:39 | magnuse | hiya jcamins - another early morning? |
| 09:40 | jcamins | magnuse: it started pouring and woke me up. Since our blinds are made of paper, I decided to get up and check that the rain wasn't blowing in through the windows. |
| 09:41 | Then I was awake. | |
| 09:41 | kf | good morning jcamins |
| 09:41 | and go back to sleep ;) | |
| 09:42 | magnuse | quarter to 6? yeah, go back to bed and count bugs or something :-) |
| 09:43 | jcamins | I went to bed early last night. I got a good 7 hours of sleep. |
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| 09:48 | magnuse | ok, no reason to not hack koha, then! |
| 09:48 | please proceed | |
| 09:48 | ;-) | |
| 09:50 | kf | heh |
| 09:50 | jcamins: yep, you have to upload 2 patches | |
| 09:51 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 09:51 | I'm pruning my git repo. | |
| 09:52 | I'm down to 100 branches. | |
| 09:52 | 99. | |
| 09:54 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #178 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 09:57 | magnuse | sounds dangerous, so early in the morning |
| 09:58 | jcamins | magnuse: most of the pruning was done last night. This morning I don't particularly feel like finishing the job. |
| 09:59 | magnuse | heh |
| 10:04 | mtompset | bug 8780 |
| 10:04 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8780 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Lower dependency version for DateTime::TimeZone |
| 10:04 | mtompset | anyone? ;) |
| 10:07 | BTW, jcamins, I was checking out debian.packages and it is lacking a few things. Looks like another bug report based on check_deps.sh output again. :) | |
| 10:08 | jcamins | mtompset: there's already a bug. |
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| 10:09 | jcamins | Myshkin does not want his nails trimmed. |
| 10:09 | kf | you should rethink that plan then |
| 10:10 | mtompset | which bug? |
| 10:10 | 7409? | |
| 10:10 | jcamins | bug 7409 |
| 10:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7409 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Missing dependencies for Debian package |
| 10:10 | jcamins | That's one, at least. |
| 10:12 | kf | one nail? |
| 10:12 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 10:12 | kf | oh |
| 10:13 | jcamins | Two! |
| 10:15 | Three. | |
| 10:15 | mtompset | what is this debian/control thing of which I am reading? |
| 10:15 | jcamins | This is going to take all morning. |
| 10:16 | kf | if you keep using one hand for typing, probably |
| 10:16 | :) | |
| 10:19 | jcamins | I don't know how Shari does it. |
| 10:20 | kf | probably she is bribing him |
| 10:20 | jcamins | He just won't keep still. |
| 10:20 | kf | would you? |
| 10:20 | jcamins | lol |
| 10:20 | Probably not. | |
| 10:20 | kf | see |
| 10:20 | maybe invest in a scratching post :) | |
| 10:21 | or however the correct translation for thos things is | |
| 10:21 | whatever? whatever. | |
| 10:21 | drojf | don't you have some nice furniture that he could trim his nails on all by himself? |
| 10:21 | jcamins | We have a scratching post. |
| 10:21 | Why do you think he has 20 daggers for evisceration? | |
| 10:21 | drojf | lol |
| 10:22 | * kf | had to look that up first |
| 10:24 | is on Myshkin's sidein this | |
| 10:26 | jcamins | One paw done! |
| 10:26 | drojf | heh |
| 10:26 | wow. don't cut the whole paw! | |
| 10:26 | jcamins | lol |
| 10:27 | kf | drojf: want to bet on the scratches jcamins will get before paw 2 is done? :) |
| 10:28 | jcamins | No, Myshkin doesn't scratch. |
| 10:28 | He's very good. | |
| 10:28 | It's just a lot of rolling around on the floor. | |
| 10:28 | magnuse | jcamins: count yourself lucky it's not a puffindog - they have at least 6 toes on each foot :-) |
| 10:28 | jcamins | The problem is that he likes sitting on my lap, and his claws are so sharp that he draws blood just sitting there. |
| 10:29 | kf | oh |
| 10:29 | ok | |
| 10:29 | maybe I am persuaded now that this is not a totally bad idea | |
| 10:29 | drojf | magnuse: at least?? |
| 10:32 | magnuse | drojf: sometimes they have 7 |
| 10:32 | drojf | crazy norwegian dogs :) |
| 10:32 | magnuse | yup :-) |
| 10:32 | * magnuse | has three |
| 10:33 | jcamins | At least 72 toes! |
| 10:33 | drojf | lol |
| 10:33 | kf | three toes? |
| 10:33 | drojf | german wikipedia makes it sound like you can fold them together quite nicely |
| 10:34 | special neck, special ears, less teeth... | |
| 10:34 | jcamins | Fold... dogs together? |
| 10:34 | lol | |
| 10:35 | drojf | Dogs of this breed are able to bend their head backwards along their own spine and turn their forelegs to the side at a 90-degree horizontal angle to their body, much like human arms. Their pricked, upright ears can be folded shut to form a near-tight seal by folding forward or backward. |
| 10:35 | jcamins | Perfect for traveling. :) |
| 10:36 | magnuse | yup, pretty perfect allround, in fact :-) |
| 10:36 | jcamins: 73, one of them has 7 on one foot | |
| 10:36 | jcamins | There's a cat asleep right where I would like to put my chair. |
| 10:36 | Well, exercise ball. | |
| 10:40 | drojf | cats are always one step ahead. they know where you would like to go before you know it. and love to sleep exactly there |
| 10:40 | kf | yep |
| 10:48 | mtompset | 72 toes?! |
| 10:49 | magnuse | 73. on 3 dogs |
| 10:49 | mtompset | Oh. |
| 10:49 | 3 dogs. | |
| 10:56 | kf | magnuse: that is a bit weird. |
| 10:57 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #178: SUCCESS in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/178/ |
| 10:57 | fridolyn.somers: Bug 8420: tool statisticfines.pl(bz 6858) and hourly loan(bz5549) | |
| 10:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8420 major, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , tool statisticfines.pl(bz 6858) and hourly loan(bz5549) |
| 10:57 | magnuse | kf: :-) |
| 10:57 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #179 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 10:57 | jcamins | https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net[…]9_656865637_n.jpg |
| 10:57 | ^^ Myshkin | |
| 10:57 | wahanui | i heard ^^ Myshkin was a cat genius. |
| 10:57 | drojf | aaaw |
| 10:57 | jcamins | lol |
| 10:58 | You're right. | |
| 10:59 | I think he appreciates me getting up early. | |
| 11:09 | mtompset | Hmmm... jcamins, did you know about debian/list-deps? |
| 11:10 | It looks like it could be a perl precursor to check_deps.sh | |
| 11:11 | jcamins | mtompset: No, I didn't do the Debian packaging. |
| 11:15 | mtompset | I only looked in the debian directory because of bug 8402. |
| 11:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8402 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , replace 'install_misc/debian.packages' file with 'koha-debian-deps.pl' script |
| 11:16 | * mtompset | smirks, "It doesn't handle GD very well" ;) |
| 11:24 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: 8627 Followup for removing tabs <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b055c01a4bebd8ab5> / 8627 Fixing pipe values in controlfield 008 authorities <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b234e825a8ad94e09> / Bug 8693 - Sort biblio checkout history by checkout date instead of patron name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p= |
| 11:24 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #838 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 15 days ago) |
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| 11:49 | pastebot | "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Why you should read source code" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/185 |
| 11:50 | kf | heh |
| 11:50 | jcamins | mtompset: yeah, I love that comment. |
| 11:51 | mtompset | I suspect it is from our friend eythian. |
| 11:51 | kf | git blame can tell you |
| 11:51 | mtompset | But I could be totally wrong. |
| 11:51 | I don't know how to use git blame. | |
| 11:51 | kf | git blame -L start,endline file |
| 11:53 | mtompset | Ah... Lars W. |
| 11:53 | And Galen Charlton | |
| 11:54 | kf | he was RM back then |
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| 11:57 | mtj | its lars or robin, for sure |
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| 13:41 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The Next General Meeting is 10 October 2012 at 10:00 UTC+0 | |
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| 13:52 | * mtompset | nods, "Sadly, santy_." |
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| 13:55 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The Next General Meeting is 10 October 2012 at 10:00 UTC+0 | |
| 14:12 | * mtompset | waves bye. |
| 14:14 | gmcharlt | jcamins_away: are you still accepting cherry-picks for 3.6.9; if so, I nominate 3a10cbda9ac4 for bug 8293 |
| 14:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8293 critical, P1 - high, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Software error when clicking on first or last result of each page on OPAC |
| 14:24 | jcamins_away | gmcharlt: are we seeing that on 3.6.x? I had tried replicating it and did not see it. |
| 14:24 | gmcharlt | jcamins_away: yes, a customer of ours ran into it, but it was strangely intermittent |
| 14:25 | appear to affected only the first hit on the second page of search results | |
| 14:25 | what's weird is that the call to searchResults in opac-detail.pl was so broken prior to that fix that it shouldn't have worked at all | |
| 14:25 | jcamins_away | gmcharlt: on 3.6.8? I pushed a patch for that to 3.6.6... |
| 14:26 | gmcharlt | jcamins_away: the customer was running 3.6.6 when they encountered it |
| 14:27 | jcamins_away | gmcharlt: I thought it went into 3.6.6. I'll check. |
| 14:29 | gmcharlt | jcamins_away: ok, I've checked as well - the fix for 7894 didn't make it into 3.6.x until 3.6.7 |
| 14:30 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #839: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/839/ |
| 14:30 | * frederick.capovilla: Bug 8597: Improve template markup to prepare for mobile | |
| 14:30 | * frederick.capovilla: Bug 8597: Create new CCSR theme | |
| 14:30 | * frederick.capovilla: Bug 8597: Add mobile functionality to ccsr theme | |
| 14:30 | * jcamins: Bug 8597: fix hardcoded references to prog in ccsr | |
| 14:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Pushed to Master , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view |
| 14:30 | jenkins_koha | * jcamins: Bug 8597: Add CSS, JS, and images to ccsr theme |
| 14:30 | * frederick.capovilla: Bug 8597: Add system preferences to configure the mobile view. | |
| 14:30 | * Paul Poulain: Bug 8597 follow-up DBRev number | |
| 14:30 | * Paul Poulain: Bug 6151 follow-up fix POD | |
| 14:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6151 major, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , IndependantBranches and HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn can prevent items from being checked in |
| 14:30 | jcamins_away | bug 7894 |
| 14:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7894 blocker, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Broken detail page for first link on page 2 from search result page in OPAC |
| 14:31 | jcamins_away | That's the one I was thinking of. |
| 14:31 | oleonard: the last patch for bug 8597 was not pushed. | |
| 14:32 | gmcharlt | jcamins_away: so looking at this more, I withdrawn my request, or at least lessen it |
| 14:32 | 8253 *does* fix a problem where the call to searchResults simply has the wrong number of parameters | |
| 14:33 | but is arguably one without visible effect | |
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| 14:34 | gmcharlt | that said, it still gives me a twitch to have a supported branch with such an errant call :) |
| 14:34 | jcamins_away | Heh. |
| 14:34 | oleonard: the last patch for bug 8597... | |
| 14:34 | oh, I already said that. | |
| 14:35 | oleonard | Okay. I thought that since it was there it was ready. |
| 14:36 | jcamins_away | oleonard: it should've been. |
| 14:36 | I'm not sure why it wasn't. | |
| 14:36 | The patch is on the bug. | |
| 14:42 | * wajasu | having good progress with tcohen's koha-common now |
| 14:46 | wajasu | tcohen: i had success installing koha-common. i want to give it one more run through. outside of cpan Koha:Contrib::Tamil, i needed libtest-strict-perl and libdevel-cover-perl besides the typical deb pkgs. |
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| 14:47 | wajasu | tcohen: it brought down my running koha-common services, and brought up the new ones automatically (plus indexer). |
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| 15:04 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:14 | jcamins_away | paul_p: did you see my note on bug 8597? |
| 16:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Pushed to Master , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view |
| 16:15 | paul_p | jcamins_away yep, will deal with it later. Strange, but possible, there were a lot of encoding issues (doubled UTF8) when I applied the patches. What's strange is that I made many tests and saw nothing... |
| 16:16 | jcamins_away | paul_p: oleonard said it actually came out looking mostly okay, which speaks well of our templates. |
| 16:16 | paul_p | (in fact, this explain a tiny strange thing I saw in the display: tabs are not looking like tabs) |
| 16:17 | oleonard | These small things are important! :) |
| 16:17 | paul_p | oleonard = right ;) |
| 16:21 | jcamins_away | paul_p: you're almost done with my authority patches. :) |
| 16:22 | I think bug 2060 and bug 8523 are the last ones. | |
| 16:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2060 enhancement, P3, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Ability to import Authorities from Staff Client |
| 16:22 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8523 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Authority hierarchies only support UNIMARC | |
| 16:22 | paul_p | jcamins_away fine ;-) |
| 16:22 | jcamins_away | Oh, and... |
| 16:22 | @query did you mean | |
| 16:22 | huginn | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8571 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , Add search suggestions on the OPAC ("Did you mean?" feature) |
| 16:22 | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities | |
| 16:22 | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8726 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Failed QA , Did you mean? plugin for broader/narrower/related terms | |
| 16:22 | jcamins_away | Bug 8726, which I'm having some trouble fixing. |
| 16:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8726 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Failed QA , Did you mean? plugin for broader/narrower/related terms |
| 16:23 | jcamins_away | But I'll get it. :) |
| 16:32 | oleonard: ooh, I like the idea of non-javascript-based modifications. | |
| 16:33 | It'd be easy to do with... | |
| 16:33 | sortable! | |
| 16:33 | :D | |
| 16:33 | oleonard | Right, an interface in the staff client where you can check a box next to the choices you want to offer and--sure--sort them too |
| 16:33 | jcamins_away | :) |
| 16:34 | oleonard | And why not do the same for the advanced search page? |
| 16:34 | * jcamins_away | just likes excuses to mention how cool sortable is. |
| 16:34 | jcamins_away | +inf |
| 16:34 | Well- translation. | |
| 16:34 | If you add an entirely custom field, it's not translatable. | |
| 16:34 | But I guess that's no different from the way it is now. | |
| 16:35 | oleonard | What do you mean, add an entirely custom field? |
| 16:35 | I was thinking the choices would be hard-coded (and thus translatable), but numerous | |
| 16:36 | jcamins_away | Like the way the ANS added "journal title." |
| 16:36 | oleonard | ...and then when someone came up with a new one we could accept a patch adding the option without rehashing this again |
| 16:37 | jcamins_away | But if that's not translatable, it's no different than the situation with javascript now. |
| 16:37 | (and the standard, non-wtf-y options could be translatable easily enough) | |
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| 16:40 | tcohen | wajasu, that'sgood news! |
| 16:40 | i managed to get it working out-of-the-box on a fresh install / koha-create instance setup | |
| 16:41 | i filled a bug for that problem of try-to-upgrade-not-complete-installed-instan e | |
| 16:46 | jcamins_away | oleonard: BTW, I am pro-"minimum number of options" |
| 16:53 | * chris_n | hands jcamins_away a swiss army knife |
| 16:54 | mbalmer | better hand him a basler laeckerli... |
| 16:54 | jcamins_away | chris_n: I didn't say that *I* was adding the new sortable configuration. |
| 16:54 | chris_n | mbalmer: as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basler_L%C3%A4ckerli |
| 16:55 | mbalmer | exaclty ;) |
| 16:55 | the ones we (mveron and I) bring to every Koha meeting | |
| 16:55 | chris_n | looks good |
| 16:56 | * jcamins_away | is still disappointed mveron doesn't make them in the dishwasher. |
| 16:56 | mbalmer | HAHAHA ;) |
| 16:56 | jcamins_away | His creativity with cooking things in the dishwasher impressed me. |
| 16:56 | chris_n | lol |
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| 17:27 | bornie21 | Hey everyone I am trying to host multiple websites on a machine with Koha but upon setting the name based virtual hosts I can access the sites on the physical machine but when I try it on the LAN it resolves to the KOHA Opac page. |
| 17:33 | gmcharlt | bornie21: does the machine have two network interfaces? |
| 17:33 | one possibility is that your vhost definitions are listening on the external interface but not the internal one | |
| 17:33 | bornie21 | No it has one interface |
| 17:34 | gmcharlt | and if Koha is the default, that would account for the behavior |
| 17:34 | bornie21 | How do I change it from being the default then |
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| 17:36 | mveron | Hi #koha |
| 17:39 | jcamins_away | bornie21: if you change the default, you'll just have a different site showing up. The problem is somewhere in the NameVirtualHost configuration. |
| 17:39 | apache2ctl -S may help. | |
| 17:41 | * jcamins_away | would theorize that some of your hosts are not listening on all addresses. |
| 17:41 | bornie21 | Ok let me run that and see |
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| 17:43 | jcamins_away | magnuse: I'm cataloging a book in Norwegian. :) |
| 17:48 | bornie21 | 192.168.0.4:80 is a NameVirtualHost default server HPlibraryserver (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha:6) port 80 namevhost HPlibraryserver (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha:6) 192.168.0.4:8080 HPlibraryserver (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha:100) 127.0.1.1:80 HPlibraryserver (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha:6) 127.0.1.1: |
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| 17:48 | cait | has nengard been hacked? |
| 17:49 | jcamins_away | Please use paste.koha-communit.org in the future. |
| 17:49 | cait | oh and hi #koha :) |
| 17:49 | jcamins_away | But I think you want to set everything to listen on *. |
| 17:49 | bornie21 | the above is the result of apachectl -S. Sorry for pasting directly |
| 17:49 | jcamins_away | Wait, there's only the one site enabled. |
| 17:49 | You should enable the other sites, then run apachectl -S. | |
| 17:50 | bornie21 | ok had disabled the for test purposes |
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| 18:53 | bornie21 | <jcamins_away>:I don't knw if this is a recommended but i have placed my new site inside the Koha Opac htdocs and accessing it over the LAN. Can it b hosted thusly |
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| 19:13 | oleonard | Bootstrap toolbar buttons and menus using default icons and styles: http://www.screencast.com/t/MRdXxc4nGKN |
| 19:13 | cait | can we update the license tomorrow? :) |
| 19:14 | oleonard | Speaking of which, who is going to raise the issue on the list again? mtj? |
| 19:14 | cait | mj or mtj I think |
| 19:14 | or chris_n? | |
| 19:14 | wahanui | release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. or late on 3.6.5 |
| 19:15 | rangi | Not for a while I hope |
| 19:15 | oleonard | Not til after 3.12 roles are chosen rangi ? |
| 19:15 | rangi | After the release at least, hopefully tm is all sorted by then too |
| 19:16 | oleonard | Ah right the tm. :( |
| 19:16 | * oleonard | grumbles |
| 19:16 | rangi | Or it will just derail |
| 19:16 | However the gpl 2+ | |
| 19:17 | Allows you to upgrade your copy | |
| 19:17 | And include bootstrap | |
| 19:17 | So don't need to wait for testing etc | |
| 19:17 | oleonard | Upgrade your copy? |
| 19:18 | tcohen | wajasu, r u there? |
| 19:18 | rangi | You can say this version with bootstrap is gpl3+ |
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| 19:19 | rangi | And can distribute for ppl to test |
| 19:20 | Just don't release it | |
| 19:20 | Or call it it version 64644 | |
| 19:20 | Or something | |
| 19:21 | :-) | |
| 19:21 | wizzyrea | that's awfully pretty oleonard |
| 19:21 | wajasu | tcohen: yes |
| 19:22 | oleonard | In other words rangi, I don't have to board up my windows and ready my shotgun while I tinker with Bootstrap |
| 19:22 | I can't take any credit wizzyrea, it's all Bootstrap-pretty. | |
| 19:23 | wizzyrea | yes but you put it there :P |
| 19:23 | own your awesome, oleonard. :) | |
| 19:23 | magnuse | jcamins_away: which book? |
| 19:26 | rangi | Yes you can distribute it |
| 19:26 | You could always play with it, cos of the + | |
| 19:26 | tcohen | hi wajasu, i've been out on a meeting |
| 19:27 | did you succeed? | |
| 19:27 | wajasu | tcohen:i'm just did a fresh debina install, then cpan, then now Koha::Contrib::Tamil , then doing webinstaller. |
| 19:27 | i am trying again, because of an issue. | |
| 19:28 | the indexer keeps respawning | |
| 19:28 | rangi | But if you note you are distributing under 3 you can share it too |
| 19:29 | tcohen | what does koha-indexer-output.log say about it? |
| 19:29 | * rangi | hopes early morning rangi is making sense |
| 19:29 | wajasu | i'm about to run dpkg. 1 minute |
| 19:30 | oleonard | rangi I'm pretty slow with license stuff, so I'm sure I'll have to ask again |
| 19:30 | tcohen | what the question is? |
| 19:30 | wahanui | i guess the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" |
| 19:31 | mbalmer | 42 |
| 19:31 | tcohen | wahanui: 42 |
| 19:31 | wahanui | tcohen: i'm not following you... |
| 19:31 | mbalmer | 42, and, PostgreSQL |
| 19:31 | and going to sleep ;) | |
| 19:32 | tcohen | we are having two FOSS licence specialists to speak at UNC next friday |
| 19:32 | if it helps... | |
| 19:34 | wajasu | tcohen: dpkg installs and restart the zebra and adds the indexer. the koha-indexer-output.log is empty, and the koha-indexer-error.log kicks out: client (pid 15476) exited with 1 status (so its the daemon that logs and it tries every 30 seconds. |
| 19:35 | tcohen | so, it is not working for u? |
| 19:35 | i've had it running on my dev workstation since our last chat | |
| 19:36 | wajasu | right. i can't figure it out. i don't have any superflous KOHA_CONF or PERL5LIB configured. |
| 19:36 | tcohen | are the tables created¿ |
| 19:37 | wajasu | remind me the name |
| 19:37 | tcohen | zebraqueue? |
| 19:37 | wahanui | it has been said that zebraqueue is cleared when zebra reindexes (I expect), so you'll miss changes. |
| 19:38 | wajasu | yes it their and empty. |
| 19:38 | thre | |
| 19:38 | there | |
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| 19:40 | tcohen | my koha-indexer-error.log is empty |
| 19:40 | wajasu | now when i install Koha::Contrib::Tamil, i ran it twice so some deps were available from the first run and it succeeded. i did not have the KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB configured during the Koha::Config::Tamil module this time, thought i tried that in a prior effort. |
| 19:41 | it must have to do with the Tamil module. let me see. | |
| 19:41 | tcohen | yes, you need to have Koha::Contrib::Tamil before running the daemon (which is triggered when you create an instance) |
| 19:43 | * wajasu | trying to reinstall the Koha::Contrib::Tamil its GPL3 you know :) |
| 19:44 | wajasu | do I need Koha::Contrib::Indexer as well? maybe thats it |
| 19:45 | rangi | Yep can't include with Koha for distribution |
| 19:45 | wajasu | Koha::Contrib::Tamil::IndexerDaemon |
| 19:45 | rangi | But you can get it from clan |
| 19:45 | Cpan | |
| 19:46 | tcohen | If you cpan Koha::Contrib::Tamil it installs the IndexDaemon stuff |
| 19:46 | wajasu | got it from cpan |
| 19:46 | ok just checking | |
| 19:46 | tcohen | I hope eythian packages it as a .deb in koha's repo |
| 19:46 | bug 8774 | |
| 19:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8774 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , make a deb package of Koha::Contrib::Tamil::IndexerDaemon |
| 19:47 | rangi | Probably cant |
| 19:47 | tcohen | wajasu, you're using the latest koha-common*.deb from http://es.koha-community.org/kc_files/, right? |
| 19:48 | wajasu | yes. i saw your update. even downloaded today. |
| 19:48 | rangi | Maybe a Sep repo to make it clear its not part of kohs |
| 19:48 | Koha | |
| 19:48 | tcohen | oh, that's the thing about that libs... |
| 19:50 | if i had known.. | |
| 19:51 | chris_n | yoyo internet... gotta love it |
| 19:53 | rangi | Hehe |
| 19:54 | wajasu | rangi: i started think we could just implement the smae thing with plack. i have another idea too: when we write zebraqueue, we touch a file in a directory, and have lib notify call a zebraindex script. |
| 19:55 | rangi | There's a zillion ways to do it.bigger fish to fry at the moment |
| 19:55 | wajasu | yup |
| 19:56 | rangi | Once the search rewrite is done |
| 19:56 | Could be worth revisiting | |
| 19:56 | cait | .. which is agood moment to point out it still needs funding maybe |
| 19:56 | *hint* :) | |
| 19:57 | * wizzyrea | provides nudging |
| 19:57 | rangi | I wonder if we can get an update in the newsletter |
| 19:57 | cait | about the current status of fnding? |
| 19:58 | rangi | Yeah |
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| 19:58 | * cait | summons jcamins to tell him he should do that |
| 20:01 | wajasu | rangi: is the search rewrite the solr work? |
| 20:01 | rangi | No |
| 20:01 | wajasu | jcamins work? |
| 20:01 | rangi | My stop someone paste the link bbiab |
| 20:01 | cait | wajasu: not for solr, but woudl be a good foundation for better solr integration I tihnk |
| 20:02 | search rewrite? | |
| 20:02 | wahanui | search rewrite is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]earch_Rewrite_RFC |
| 20:02 | wajasu | ahh |
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| 20:05 | * wajasu | wonders if apache lucy is being used, or just webservice calls. |
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| 20:10 | cait | wajasu: ? |
| 20:10 | wajasu | yes |
| 20:10 | cait | good morning kathryn |
| 20:10 | :) | |
| 20:11 | kathryn | oh hello cait! :) I've been quiet, running.... |
| 20:11 | cait | running? :) |
| 20:12 | kathryn | neh, not the actual excercise kinda ;) |
| 20:12 | -a | |
| 20:17 | oleonard | See y'all later |
| 20:29 | cait | kathryn: ah :) |
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| 20:45 | rangi | back |
| 20:46 | wajasu | cait: thanks for finding that <fine> issue. i'm assuming 8378 is going to make it to 3.10 if its in master |
| 20:46 | cait | hm? |
| 20:46 | * cait | fails 7572 |
| 20:47 | cait | wajasu: I don't think it was me really finding it :( |
| 20:47 | I didn't even get to test it | |
| 20:47 | wajasu | you were the one that told me about the dollar amount not showing, right? |
| 20:48 | cait | oh |
| 20:48 | maybe | |
| 20:48 | and I am really glad if it gets fixed | |
| 20:48 | because this would make our libraries really really unhappy | |
| 20:49 | wajasu | mine won't upgrade from 3.0 until its fixed. so i'll be happy. |
| 20:50 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5357: Follow-up - layout and EAN search <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a487249283d64f191> / Bug 5357: Adds a new page for searching subscriptions <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2c80c9662820fb347> / Bug 7751: Decrease Loans for Items in Demand for Holds <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]p=koha.git;a=comm |
| 20:52 | wajasu | rangi: were you serious about not being able to take gpl3 code? or is anything in cpan OK even if it says it gpl3? i am wondering if i should continue debugging Koha::Contrib::Tamil with tcohen |
| 20:53 | i am realizeing feature freeze is just 4 days away. | |
| 20:54 | rangi | wajasu: that's not part of koha, its a sep thing, so debugging is fine |
| 20:54 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #840 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 16 days ago) |
| 20:54 | rangi | we can't bundle it with, and distribute the whole thing as gpl2 tho |
| 20:54 | wajasu | i think thats what he was expecting. |
| 20:54 | rangi | so it needs to stay separate unless we want to distribute as gpl3 |
| 20:55 | which isnt a decision we can make now | |
| 20:56 | wajasu | if its separate i don't see it being worth testing time, since he can run it inhouse without being part of koha. |
| 20:57 | plus, it got Moose and firends, which is a hefty. | |
| 20:57 | tcohen | wajasu, what is worth testing is the patch for bug 8773 i think |
| 20:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup |
| 20:57 | rangi | you can run inhouse |
| 20:57 | you can't distribute | |
| 20:57 | there is a difference | |
| 20:57 | the gpl2+ clause | |
| 20:58 | lets him have his own version being 3, he can even then distribute it as 3 if he wants | |
| 20:58 | it says | |
| 20:58 | # Koha is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the | |
| 20:58 | # terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software | |
| 20:58 | # Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later | |
| 20:58 | # version. | |
| 20:58 | what we can't do, is bundle it in our release and try to distribute the release as gpl2+ | |
| 20:58 | quite different things | |
| 20:59 | but its entirely legal for me to get koha | |
| 20:59 | then get the indexer | |
| 20:59 | and run them both | |
| 20:59 | tcohen | rangi, could we provide (as gpl3) a .deb package for koah::contrib::tamil and use it from that scripts of bug 8773 |
| 20:59 | ? | |
| 20:59 | rangi | yep |
| 21:00 | however its not going to make it for 3.10 | |
| 21:00 | wajasu | does he really need to integrate with koha-common? |
| 21:00 | rangi | so best to wait, then discuss licensing after the release and aim for koha being gpl3+ for 3.12 |
| 21:00 | imho | |
| 21:00 | of course its free software, anyone can do whatever they want within the license conditions :) | |
| 21:01 | wajasu | would he ever replace koha-common? or should he just make it more of a bolt-on? |
| 21:02 | tcohen | bolt-on? |
| 21:02 | wajasu | a separate daemon, with its own lifecyle that reads from zebraqueue |
| 21:03 | tcohen | all this non-existent zebraqueue daemon is non-sense IMHO |
| 21:03 | wajasu | if you embed you script in koha-common, who is to say, your deb won't have all that robin's has. |
| 21:05 | tcohen | the daemon scripts need to be release-dependent, and hence not a separate thing |
| 21:08 | wajasu | i agree. |
| 21:09 | santy_ | hello again everyone! I was able to convince my client to set up another vm on which to install koha, so now it's up to me to decide which OS to use. I have been told to use debian. If the goal is to set up a production server with about 500000 biblios and the need for the zebra z39.50 server, which combination of debian/koha versions would you recommend? |
| 21:10 | tcohen | i did that. and abandoned those patches when i was told of the existence of fredericd's scripts |
| 21:10 | this is just another iteration of the same story, now trying to make it easy to include those scripts in koha | |
| 21:12 | wajasu | so tcohen. if its not going into 3.10, there is time. i guess i need to shift to other efforts. i totally understand what you are saying. |
| 21:13 | tcohen | wajasu, i'm fine with that. i know i did my part :-D |
| 21:14 | wajasu | you surely did. i love the feature, its sped up my testing. |
| 21:14 | libsysguy | santy_: I would suggest debian squeeze with koha 3.6 |
| 21:14 | cait | hi libsysguy :) |
| 21:14 | libsysguy | we have had quite a bit of trouble with 3.8.x branches |
| 21:14 | hey cait | |
| 21:14 | whatcha up to | |
| 21:14 | rangi | otoh i have clients running 3.8.4 |
| 21:14 | with no issues | |
| 21:15 | libsysguy | the issue that I am aware of with 3.8.4 is with hourly loans |
| 21:15 | wajasu | i did just provide a patch for the overdue_notices for 3.8.x |
| 21:15 | tcohen | we had to apply some of colin's patches for dates/calendars to get 3.8.x work flawlessly |
| 21:15 | libsysguy | so santy_ if you're not worried about that then go with 3.8 |
| 21:15 | rangi | tcohen: they are all in 3.8.x now the last of them just added so will all be in 3.8.5 most were in 3.8.4 |
| 21:16 | tcohen | nice rangi |
| 21:16 | so, i'd say Ubuntu 12.04 (:-P) with 3.8.5 as soon as they land | |
| 21:17 | rangi | id strongly advise debian squeeze over ubuntu |
| 21:17 | ubuntu 12.04 ships with mysql anonymous logins | |
| 21:18 | ymmv | |
| 21:18 | santy_ | why debian squeeze over ubuntu 12.04? |
| 21:18 | rangi | read above |
| 21:18 | tcohen | rangi, i haven't noticed that |
| 21:19 | rangi | ahh well you should look, it does, it broke packaging we had to add a patch to get round it |
| 21:19 | tcohen | ah, you mean that dpkg has access to mysql? |
| 21:20 | rangi | no |
| 21:21 | http://www.sitepoint.com/ubunt[…]ing-mysql-server/ | |
| 21:21 | By default, a MySQL installation has an anonymous user, allowing anyone | |
| 21:21 | to log into MySQL without having to have a user account created for | |
| 21:21 | them. This is intended only for testing, and to make the installation | |
| 21:21 | go a bit smoother. You should remove them before moving into a | |
| 21:21 | production environment. | |
| 21:21 | no one reads tht bit | |
| 21:21 | :) | |
| 21:22 | magnuse | gah! found the culprit that was eating my swap space: zebra |
| 21:23 | stopped and started all my zebras and swap usage fell dramatically | |
| 21:24 | santy_ | ok in terms of security ubuntu 1204 (w/o anonymous logins) and debian squeeze are both ok |
| 21:24 | tcohen | rangi, read it, but cannot figure how to test to see if its true |
| 21:24 | * magnuse | calls it a day |
| 21:24 | rangi | its true |
| 21:25 | http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/2[…]curity-mysql.html | |
| 21:26 | santy_ | what about support?... mtompset says there is a greater chance to get things solved on pure debian |
| 21:26 | as far as I understood | |
| 21:27 | tcohen | ubuntu is a debian derivative, backed by Canonical |
| 21:27 | ubuntu relies on debian's development | |
| 21:27 | we use ubuntu in our datacenter, because Canonical is focused | |
| 21:28 | cait | magnuse: good night! |
| 21:28 | tcohen | on providing smooth integration with cloud-oriented tools |
| 21:28 | cait | and good night #koha :) |
| 21:29 | tcohen | santy_, what you mean by support? |
| 21:31 | santy_ | by support I mean the speed knowledge is gained by the supporters... is koha being improved, tested and fixed on debian first? |
| 21:33 | tcohen | debian |
| 21:33 | rangi | sorry triying to diagnose hardware via phone |
| 21:34 | tcohen | if that's the parameter that makes your choice, then go for debian |
| 21:34 | santy_ | ok, so it is more likely that a patch will be available on debian quicker |
| 21:35 | tcohen | not sure |
| 21:35 | there is no ubuntu-specific package or something | |
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| 21:35 | tcohen | squeeze and precise are almost binary identical... |
| 21:35 | in fact, you will use the same packages on both | |
| 21:37 | (the same repos, etc) | |
| 21:37 | santy_ | I am considering the following factors: security, performance, support, stability, documentation, setup |
| 21:37 | tcohen | i think its a matter of taste |
| 21:38 | i'd say ubuntu has official docs, and commercial support if you want it | |
| 21:38 | i love debian | |
| 21:39 | and work on a ubuntu environment, and feel comfortable | |
| 21:41 | santy_ | well the proof of concept i did setup was on ubuntu natty. Things worked out pretty smoothly (koha 3.8). I have not tried the zebra z39.50 server yet though, or checked out the hourly loans |
| 21:41 | tcohen | for a server, stick to LTS releases |
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| 21:42 | tcohen | (5 year support) |
| 21:42 | it makes you have enough time to design you OS upgrade steps | |
| 21:43 | 18 months its less than you belive | |
| 21:43 | santy_ | how about the debian koha packages? are they more up-to-date than ubuntus? |
| 21:43 | tcohen | the only koha packages are those from debian.koha-community.org |
| 21:44 | you use them for both OS's | |
| 21:44 | (distros) | |
| 21:44 | they ARE the same | |
| 21:44 | santy_ | ok |
| 21:46 | tcohen | here https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/index.html you can get instructions for most common things |
| 21:47 | i recommend you see the ufw (firewall) instructions if going production | |
| 21:48 | it works on debian too | |
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| 21:49 | santy_ | I think I'll go for ubuntu 12.04+koha 3.8.5 |
| 21:50 | just because i'm more familiar with ubuntu and your suggestions about upgrading | |
| 21:51 | tcohen | no no, don't do it |
| 21:51 | debianers on this IRC will hate me :-D | |
| 21:51 | santy_ | lol |
| 21:52 | I understand debian or ubuntu are both feasible alternatives for a koha production server with full functionality | |
| 21:53 | tcohen | in my university, we are pleased to use them both |
| 21:53 | we also use CentOS, OpenSuSE and Debian | |
| 21:54 | but are moving towards Ubuntu in the mid-term | |
| 21:55 | santy_ | I was strongly suggested not to install koha on centos 5.8 today |
| 21:56 | tcohen | santy_ don't |
| 21:56 | on 6.3 we can speak | |
| 21:57 | santy_ | ok 6.3... there is even a howto |
| 21:57 | tcohen | i was just listing what we have in our infrastructure |
| 21:57 | we have koha on Ubuntu | |
| 21:58 | (both the apache front-ends and separate mysl cluster) | |
| 21:59 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #840: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/840/ |
| 21:59 | * jcamins: Bug 8211: Add exploded search options | |
| 21:59 | * jcamins: Bug 8210: add links to authorities to headings in OPAC | |
| 21:59 | * julian.maurice: Bug 8210: add links to authorities in normal mode headings | |
| 21:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Add "subject (broader)," "subject (narrower)," and "subject (related)" options for search |
| 21:59 | jenkins_koha | * srdjan: Bug 7993: Save reports with Group/Subgroup hierarchy |
| 21:59 | * Paul Poulain: Bug 7993 follow-up DBRev number | |
| 21:59 | * colin.campbell: Bug 7751: Decrease Loans for Items in Demand for Holds | |
| 21:59 | * jonathan.druart: Bug 5357: Adds a new page for searching subscriptions | |
| 21:59 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5357: Follow-up - layout and EAN search | |
| 21:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8210 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Headings in OPAC bib details should link to authority record |
| 21:59 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7993 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , saved report with hierarchies | |
| 21:59 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7751 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to Master , Decrease loan period on items with a high number of holds | |
| 21:59 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5357 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Subscription search and displays | |
| 22:00 | wajasu | sweet |
| 22:02 | santy_ | Do you know a good guide to estimate disk space and ram requirements for koha? I have searched but did not find |
| 22:03 | it in the koha docs nor the wiki (might be mistaken) | |
| 22:05 | tcohen | it depends on the amount of records you have |
| 22:05 | santy_ | there will be about 500000 |
| 22:05 | tcohen | and the mysql server will be on the same hardware? |
| 22:06 | santy_ | yes... one virtualized server for everything |
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| 22:07 | tcohen | you should consider that your DB will be 1.5GB or 2GB (raw disk space) |
| 22:08 | bag | freeze? |
| 22:08 | tcohen | and you'd want to have it in RAM |
| 22:08 | bag | heh just checking to see if wahanui had a definition |
| 22:08 | tcohen | (tuned mysql) |
| 22:08 | so, I'd say 4GB RAM and 3 or more cores | |
| 22:09 | zebra indexes might take 40GB | |
| 22:09 | so 120GB HD? | |
| 22:09 | santy_ | 40 GB? |
| 22:11 | tcohen | a 50K registers DB takes 2GB (checking right now) |
| 22:11 | santy_ | hmm I don't know... but I recall having set up the zebra indexes tables to run on myisam instead of innodb to avoid transactional data to pile up, those 40GB are taking that into account? |
| 22:11 | tcohen | nope |
| 22:12 | zebra is a separate full-text indexing DB | |
| 22:12 | you're mixing with zebraqueue table | |
| 22:12 | santy_ | oh ok |
| 22:12 | tcohen | which is always busy but its content disposable |
| 22:12 | santy_ | understand |
| 22:13 | of course indexing every word occurrence in a separate dbms, right? | |
| 22:13 | tcohen | that's what zebra does |
| 22:14 | zebra's indexes are fat | |
| 22:14 | those are the ones I say might eat 40GB easily | |
| 22:14 | rangi | disk is cheap |
| 22:14 | get lots | |
| 22:15 | Ive never heard someone say, 'oh damn, I got too much disk" | |
| 22:15 | santy_ | ok.. as for the zebraqueue tables... has that issue been resolved for 3.8.5? |
| 22:15 | tcohen | hehe |
| 22:15 | santy_ | :) |
| 22:16 | (your right... gonna recommend 250 gb disk) | |
| 22:16 | tcohen | that's not what our sysadmins told me when I got a LUN on the storage server with 30TB of free space for |
| 22:16 | some scans :-D | |
| 22:16 | rangi | *sigh* |
| 22:17 | http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Build/testReport/ | |
| 22:17 | tcohen | 10GB average each book |
| 22:17 | * rangi | fixes some |
| 22:17 | santy_ | 10GB thats a lot |
| 22:18 | jcamins_away | rangi: does jenkins not automatically run updatedatabase? |
| 22:19 | rangi | oh those ones im not worried about |
| 22:19 | it was the pod tets | |
| 22:19 | test | |
| 22:19 | jcamins_away | Yeah, I know which one is worrying. :) |
| 22:19 | jcamins | I just can't figure out why those are showing up. |
| 22:19 | rangi | and the one that has been there for 3 months |
| 22:19 | tcohen | yes santy_, they are master copies of jesuitic material |
| 22:22 | santy_ | yea too valuable to let time damage it further |
| 22:22 | jcamins | santy_: run the cron job that truncates zebraqueue every day. |
| 22:22 | santy_ | tcohen, do you know about that zebraqueue tables getting big problem? ist it fixed? |
| 22:23 | ok cron job | |
| 22:23 | wahanui | i think cron job is only needed for *new* records. |
| 22:23 | santy_ | just cron job truncating or also changing table engine to myisam? |
| 22:24 | jcamins | santy_: I thought it defaulted to MyISAM, but just truncating daily should be fine. |
| 22:24 | santy_ | cool tip |
| 22:24 | thanks a lot to every one! | |
| 22:24 | tcohen | take a look at the script |
| 22:25 | bin/cronjobs/cleanup_database.pl | |
| 22:25 | jcamins | Also, use memcached for sessions. |
| 22:25 | tcohen | and the example usage in bin/cronjobs/crontab.example |
| 22:25 | (both distributed with koha) | |
| 22:27 | santy_ | I will, I promise you, I will |
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| 22:32 | rangi | sheesh i hate hardware |
| 22:33 | jcamins | rangi: I guess you've run into some problems with the hardware at Te Tekare? |
| 22:33 | rangi | nothing insoluble |
| 22:34 | just annoying | |
| 22:38 | when you scan your card koha sends a message | |
| 22:38 | that includes how much you owe | |
| 22:38 | say $2 | |
| 22:38 | the selfcheck machine sees this as fines | |
| 22:39 | then if i issue a rental item that costs $2 | |
| 22:39 | in the checkout message we send BV2.00 | |
| 22:39 | the self check goes oh, this cost $2 | |
| 22:39 | all good so far right | |
| 22:39 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 22:39 | rangi | except, you finish and print a slip |
| 22:39 | you get 2 lines | |
| 22:39 | Total fines $2 | |
| 22:40 | Total fees $2 | |
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| 22:40 | rangi | ppl go wtf |
| 22:40 | martian523 | hi, i have run across some problems when searching through the catalog |
| 22:40 | rangi | do i owe $2 or $4 |
| 22:40 | whats the diff | |
| 22:40 | etc | |
| 22:40 | so im gonna try to get it saying $total owing $4 | |
| 22:41 | with less $ | |
| 22:41 | jcamins | Makes sense. |
| 22:42 | martian523 | i have chinese books in my catalog with chinese title and the transliteration title. when i click on the chinese title, it shows error 404 came up, but when i clicked on the the transliterated title, it's ok |
| 22:42 | what is this error 404? | |
| 22:43 | rangi | is the url the same for both? |
| 22:43 | martian523 | An error has occurred! Error 404 This error means that the link was broken and that the page doesn't exist To report this error, you can email the Koha administrator. Use top menu bar to navigate to another part of Koha. |
| 22:44 | one is opac, and one is catalogue, i guess there's a difference? | |
| 22:46 | rangi | yes, what are the biblionumbers? |
| 22:47 | martian523 | biblionumbers are the same |
| 22:48 | rangi | one must be a bad url then, what are the actual urls? |
| 22:48 | where are you from martian523 ? | |
| 22:50 | martian523 | me? from CA |
| 22:51 | rangi | cool, just being nosey |
| 22:51 | santy_ | oh, one question... when will the date/calendar fix be available (version 3.8.5)? |
| 22:51 | martian523 | the link that has error 404 is http://192.168.1.127:8080/cgi-[…]iblionumber=22259 |
| 22:52 | the link that works is http://192.168.1.127:8080/cgi-[…]iblionumber=22259 | |
| 22:53 | rangi | no idea then im afraid |
| 22:53 | martian523 | i just see one difference |
| 22:53 | opac-detail.pl and catalogue/detail.pl | |
| 22:54 | - vs / | |
| 22:55 | jcamins | Try turning off XSLT for the search results. |
| 22:55 | In the staff client only. | |
| 22:55 | And what version are you using? | |
| 22:56 | martian523 | 3.8.3 |
| 22:58 | jcamins | Yes, turning off the XSLT will fix your problem. |
| 22:58 | martian523 | what is xslt again? |
| 22:59 | jcamins | Among other things, it's controlled by a syspref. |
| 22:59 | XSLTResultsDisplay, I think, is what it's called. | |
| 23:02 | martian523 | ok...fix that |
| 23:02 | now i think i'm going back to a problem that i've asked before | |
| 23:03 | i have entered the transliterated title in 245, and the chinese title in 880 | |
| 23:03 | santy_ | I have to install koha by next week, should I wait for the 3.8.5 release or just go with 3.8.4? |
| 23:03 | jcamins | santy_: 3.8.4 it is, since 3.8.5 isn't coming out until the end of the week. :P |
| 23:04 | martian523 | when i searched the catalog, only the transliterated title shows up, and not the chinese title |
| 23:04 | rangi | you aren't going into production next week are u? |
| 23:04 | jcamins | santy_: however, the upgrade is easy. |
| 23:04 | rangi: oh my. What an awful thought. | |
| 23:04 | santy_ | ok great |
| 23:04 | martian523 | what i prefer is to have the chinese title show up instead of the transliterated title |
| 23:04 | is there a way to fix that? | |
| 23:05 | jcamins | martian523: not without development work, no. |
| 23:05 | santy_ | I was comparing the instalation guides of debian squeeze and ubuntu LTS... why is ubuntuses guide so much longer? |
| 23:05 | rangi | santy_: you should only install from the packages for production/testing .. and git for development |
| 23:06 | jcamins | santy_: because the person who wrote the Ubuntu guide liked detail. |
| 23:06 | martian523 | so if i want the chinese title to show up, i would be better off putting the chinese title in the 245 field? |
| 23:06 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian <-- follow that |
| 23:06 | it works for ubuntu too | |
| 23:06 | jcamins | ^^ that's the one to follow |
| 23:06 | santy_ | ok ok got it |
| 23:06 | great | |
| 23:06 | thx | |
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| 23:16 | santy_ | do you know about any issues for koha running on an operating system (ubuntu) that has a language different than english? |
| 23:17 | jcamins | santy_: you'll have to translate any error messages you want to ask about. |
| 23:18 | santy_ | lol good point |
| 23:18 | jcamins | That said, if you follow the instructions that rangi pointed to, you won't run into any errors that matter. |
| 23:18 | (and probably none at all) | |
| 23:18 | Just make sure you use a UTF-8 locale. | |
| 23:19 | santy_ | ok jcamins |
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| 23:40 | santy_ | thanks a lot everyone for your help and time, good bye hope we meet again soon |
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