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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:02 | jcamins | Excellent! |
| 00:02 | Skinning almonds: even worse than writing unit tests | |
| 00:21 | wajasu | Whew! done. |
| 00:21 | jcamins++ | |
| 00:30 | jcamins_away: 8209 is passwd QA, so i expect its on master, so i can try 8726 now | |
| 00:30 | i'm taking a break first. | |
| 00:32 | i notice if i do a search "1000" in OPAC, that "1,000 Things to love in America" doesn't give results. Not that it should, but if you have a comma '1,000' it does find it. Just sayin. | |
| 00:56 | mtj | hi #koha |
| 00:56 | rangi | try switching fuzzy searching on wajasu |
| 00:57 | mtj | i was curious about the perl/ipv6 topic before... |
| 00:57 | this looks promising -> http://www.perl.org/about/whit[…]rs/perl-ipv6.html | |
| 00:58 | … so, fixed(ish) on perl-5.14? | |
| 00:58 | rangi | its bogus |
| 00:58 | mtj | 'Perl 5.14 ships with a complete set of IPv6-related functions in the Socket module.' |
| 00:58 | rangi | its supported it for years in bunches of modules |
| 00:58 | now its core | |
| 00:59 | mtj | aaah, ok - thats good to know :) |
| 00:59 | rangi | i wouldnt worry about it it was a hastitly thought up excuse to explain an already decided behaviour |
| 00:59 | don't feed the trolls :) | |
| 01:00 | mtj | amen to that... |
| 01:00 | and, also…. -> http://pub.kohaaloha.com/kohadocs-sphinx/d.html | |
| 01:01 | and nicole's koha manual too -> http://pub.kohaaloha.com/kohad[…]sphinx/index.html | |
| 01:01 | rangi | ohh so pretty! |
| 01:02 | nice :) | |
| 01:02 | just missing the chapters? | |
| 01:02 | very nice tho | |
| 01:03 | mtj | hmm, the TOC is built into the 'pages' dropdown... |
| 01:03 | rangi | ahhh |
| 01:03 | mtj | not sure about the chapters stuff… (i did it laaate last nite) |
| 01:03 | … and didnt check anything | |
| 01:06 | jcamins_away | wajasu: you may need to resolve conflicts in sysprefs.sql and updatedatabase, but they should be pretty easy. |
| 01:08 | mtj | they great news about my 'koha-docs' stuff, is that its all automated/scripted |
| 01:10 | rangi | yay! |
| 01:10 | mtj | so, from that -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian ... |
| 01:11 | … to this -> http://pub.kohaaloha.com/kohadocs-sphinx/d.html | |
| 01:11 | all automagicical | |
| 02:09 | wajasu | i tried barb, to, love, amer and 1st 6 numbers of isbn and it found the book ...1000 things to love about America. Is that the fuzzy serach? |
| 02:11 | mtj | sounds fuzzy to me :) |
| 02:12 | rangi | wajasu: check the sysprefs |
| 02:12 | it will tell you if its on or not | |
| 02:13 | wajasu | sysprefs have QueryFuzzy = Try! |
| 02:14 | i'm going to try to test 8726 now | |
| 02:23 | jcamins_away: it tried to apply 8276 but => fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (Koha/SuggestionEngine.pm | |
| 02:24 | rangi | check what it depends on |
| 02:25 | you probably need to apply that/them first | |
| 02:26 | wajasu | 8209 is passed QA so its on master, correct? |
| 02:26 | rangi | nope |
| 02:26 | its passed qa | |
| 02:27 | wajasu | ok. then |
| 02:27 | i'll try it. | |
| 02:27 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nt-patch_Workflow |
| 02:30 | wajasu | reconciling updatabase and sysprefs sql |
| 02:31 | for 8209 | |
| 03:08 | after all the dependsOn: fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (installer/data/mysql/sysprefs.sql | |
| 03:09 | the patch file mentions jquery ui datepicker version upgrades | |
| 03:12 | pastebot | "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "after applying all dependOn is get" (47 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/164 |
| 03:13 | wajasu | maybe i need 8143 |
| 03:16 | no its in my git log already | |
| 03:24 | rangi | well if you ahve tried all the depends, then its a patch does not apply |
| 03:37 | wajasu | jcamins was rebasing and reposting patches for me all afternoon for 8211 so its probably the same deal. tommorrow then. |
| 03:37 | thx | |
| 03:39 | i'll probably get 8726 done in my morning. do you have any specific patches i should persue tomorrow? | |
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| 04:33 | Oak | Guten morgen miss cait |
| 04:35 | cait | Salaam Oak |
| 04:51 | Oak | :) |
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| 05:12 | Oak | magnuse |
| 05:12 | kia ora #koha | |
| 05:44 | rangi | Mtj I think you meant passed qa not pushed for qa? |
| 05:46 | mtj | oops, fixed :) |
| 06:02 | cait | mtj++ |
| 06:02 | pretty manual and installation documentation :) | |
| 06:07 | magnuse | Oak |
| 06:10 | cait | hi magnuse |
| 06:11 | magnuse | hiya cait |
| 06:11 | yeah, mtj++ | |
| 06:38 | cait | work time bbl |
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| 06:41 | alex_a | bonjour #koha |
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| 06:44 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:47 | matts | hi ! |
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| 07:03 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 07:22 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 07:35 | magnuse | hiya drojf et al |
| 07:36 | drojf | hei magnuse |
| 07:36 | magnuse | :-) |
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| 07:40 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 07:55 | jcamins_away | wajasu: rebased bug 8209 and bug 8726. |
| 07:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities |
| 07:55 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8726 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Did you mean? plugin for broader/narrower/related terms | |
| 07:58 | mtompset | jcamins_away?! What timezone are you? I wouldn't have expected you for another couple hours. |
| 07:58 | jcamins | mtompset: EST. |
| 07:58 | It's 4am. | |
| 07:58 | My wife had a 6:15 calltime two hours away. | |
| 07:59 | I spent the last two hours telling myself that I was going to fall back asleep, but eventually I had to just give up. | |
| 07:59 | mtompset | Ah, okay. |
| 08:00 | Might as well be productive, right? | |
| 08:00 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 08:00 | Rebase all the things! | |
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| 08:06 | * mtompset | chants, "Rebase! Rebase! Rebased!" |
| 08:06 | mtompset | jcamins? |
| 08:06 | wahanui | jcamins is, like, A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins or a very naughty wahanui teacher |
| 08:06 | * mtompset | laughs, "Nice addition." |
| 08:07 | kf | lol |
| 08:07 | how did that happen? | |
| 08:07 | mtompset | Wasn't me, thankfully. |
| 08:08 | jcamins | lol |
| 08:08 | mtompset | Hi, kf. |
| 08:10 | kf | hi mtompset, wahanui and jcamins |
| 08:11 | mtompset | mtj is the Mason James that wanted to be "Installation Documentation Manager" on the list, right? |
| 08:12 | jcamins | Speaking of mtj... mtj, wouldn't you like to QA 8649? :) |
| 08:17 | mtompset | bug 8649? |
| 08:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8649 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , C4::Search needs a unit test |
| 08:21 | mtompset | What do you think of bug 8742, jcamins? :) |
| 08:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8742 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Example uses perl 5.8 in Makefile.PL |
| 08:23 | jcamins | We should probably change the example to not be list a hardcoded perl version. |
| 08:34 | kf: fixed the tree opening. | |
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| 08:39 | kf | jcamins++ |
| 08:42 | rangi | paul_p: did you try the tests? they fail before the patch and pass after, and that error you are getting is not the one that was being caused |
| 08:43 | mtompset | I put a patch to try to find a reasonable perl version. |
| 08:43 | jcamins | paul_p: that sounds like a different error, possibly not related to bug 8089. |
| 08:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Use Koha::Cache everywhere |
| 08:43 | jcamins | Jinx! |
| 08:43 | rangi | heh |
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| 08:49 | rangi | i just tested on master |
| 08:49 | before the patch, i cant edit a borrower | |
| 08:49 | * jcamins | did too. |
| 08:49 | rangi | after the patch i can |
| 08:49 | jcamins | Ditto. |
| 08:49 | rangi | so im not sure where that other error is coming from |
| 08:52 | mtompset | Oh the joys of bug hunting. :) |
| 08:52 | * mtompset | cheers rangi and jcamins on. :) |
| 08:52 | rangi | we're done, can't recreate, sounds like a local issue |
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| 10:00 | mtompset | Hmmm... I just had a weird thought. |
| 10:00 | What if someone creates two repository lists to the same repository? | |
| 10:00 | Should work still, right? | |
| 10:02 | jcamins | Of course. |
| 10:02 | That's how I have my RMaint repo set up. | |
| 10:02 | One for pushing, one for fetching. | |
| 10:05 | kf | rangi, jcamins: why not comment on the bug? |
| 10:05 | jcamins | kf: rangi did. |
| 10:05 | kf | ahcool |
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| 10:32 | jcamins | Wow. Bug 8300 was a challenge. |
| 10:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8300 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Koha should have mechanized testing suite |
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| 12:08 | nengard | morning #koha |
| 12:08 | you're all featured on opensource.com today :) http://opensource.com/life/12/[…]pen-source-openly | |
| 12:09 | kf | hi nengard |
| 12:11 | nengard | hiya |
| 12:11 | mtompset | Greetings, nengard. |
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| 12:17 | drojf | ctrl+f "freedom" on http://opensource.org/osd.html … "not found" … |
| 12:19 | nengard | agreed |
| 12:19 | but that's my point | |
| 12:19 | it's not about the letter of the law (or license) it's about what we believe, feel, etc | |
| 12:24 | kf | magnuse: around? |
| 12:24 | magnuse | um, yup |
| 12:25 | kf | could you create a wiki page for the gbsd this friday? |
| 12:25 | I can edit it, but I am stupid when it comes to adding new pages with mediawiki | |
| 12:25 | magnuse | hehe, will do |
| 12:27 | drojf | nengard: that may work on a "per project" basis. we as the koha community do things in a certain way and some of us call it "open source". personally my associations with the term "open source" are very much in the direction of the roy-tennant-quote and there is nobody preventing companies from labelling their projects "open source" that have this kind of philosophy. "free software" in the fsf/gpl meaning seems more explicit to me. |
| 12:28 | magnuse | kf: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day |
| 12:28 | next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day | |
| 12:28 | next gbsd? | |
| 12:28 | wahanui | next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day |
| 12:28 | magnuse | wahanui: forget next gbsd |
| 12:28 | wahanui | magnuse: I forgot next gbsd |
| 12:28 | magnuse | next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day |
| 12:28 | next gbsd? | |
| 12:28 | wahanui | next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day |
| 12:28 | magnuse | yay |
| 12:28 | kf | thx :) |
| 12:28 | it's on my list for today to send that mail :) | |
| 12:29 | magnuse | yay! |
| 12:29 | * magnuse | had forgotten... |
| 12:29 | kf | h |
| 12:29 | m | |
| 12:29 | I was thinkign aobut adding a link to paul's list of patches in the newsletter | |
| 12:29 | and mention the deadlines | |
| 12:29 | thatok for you? | |
| 12:29 | nengard | drojf and I understand that and so do those here in this room - but the average librarian or average computer user doesn't understand why there are different definitions - as an educator I want people to understand that choosing Koha means choosing community, means choosing freedom, means all that free software is defined as, even though we call it the 'open source' ils |
| 12:29 | magnuse | excellent, kf! |
| 12:30 | kf | magnuse: wait until it's done |
| 12:30 | have to update some documentation first | |
| 12:30 | magnuse | kf: that's why i didn't ++ you yet ;-) |
| 12:30 | kf | wise :) |
| 12:32 | grr. outlook forgot my settings, for like the thenth time | |
| 12:32 | tnis is not funny | |
| 12:32 | magnuse | :-( |
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| 12:35 | samuel | hi everybody |
| 12:37 | could someone tell me what is the best way to insert items in kohar? All my recors have been added but i 've ton insert and link records with items. I've a text file with all my items but i've some problems ton convert it in marc file. | |
| 12:38 | kf | hi samuel |
| 12:38 | drojf | nengard: according to search engines, we call it "free and open source software", while the fork calls it "open source". |
| 12:38 | kf | the easiest way is to add it using the import scripts in 952 fields. |
| 12:39 | I think you could also fill the items table directly, but the hard part is to get the right biblionumbers for your records. And you will have to do a full reindex. Or you can write a perl script using the API for adding items. | |
| 12:39 | samuel | with bulkmarcimport? In france, it's in 995 fields |
| 12:40 | kf | oh sorry, that's right |
| 12:41 | for UNIMARC it's 995 | |
| 12:41 | yes, you can use staged or bulkmarcimport - but you need marc for that | |
| 12:42 | samuel | yes and that's where i have some problems with marcedit to do a marc file. |
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| 12:45 | kf | samuel: not sure how to help you here :( |
| 12:46 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:46 | samuel | dont' worry, i'm looking for.Our ils make me crazy :-) |
| 12:46 | kf | what are you currently using? |
| 12:47 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The Next General Meeting is 10 October 2012 at 10:00 UTC+0 | |
| 12:47 | nengard | drojf this is a longer conversation then one I can have by typing it all out :) and it's monday morning and my brain isn't working - suffice it to say that librarians and most general computers users don't make the distinction between free and open source - they lump it together (right or wrong - that's what they do) |
| 12:48 | samuel | kf:marcedit |
| 12:48 | kf | ah, I meant as an ILS :) |
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| 12:49 | drojf | nengard: i agree we should not discuss this in detail now, i have a paper to work on :) |
| 12:50 | oleonard | nengard: As more and more "open source" projects appear on the radar of those librarians, I think it behooves us to start educating about the distinction. Just as we had to educate about the difference between "free" and "open source" |
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| 12:50 | kf | oleonard++ |
| 12:50 | samuel | KF:Our ILS is an old french ILS. In fact, it's not really an ILS, at the beginning, its 's an ECM. It's very very very old and , no good solutions to export |
| 12:50 | kf | yes, I think we should use the correct terms |
| 12:51 | nengard | oleonard, what distinction are you talking about? - i do educate people about what free software is versus open source software |
| 12:51 | kf | still have to learn a lot myself - trying to get it right |
| 12:52 | oleonard | nengard: I mean exactly the distinction you talk about in your blog post and article: The difference between open in name only and open in spirit. |
| 12:52 | nengard | :) oh! |
| 12:52 | see - it's monday morning and my brain isn't working right yet | |
| 12:53 | hence the reason i can't have a deep discussion :) | |
| 12:53 | oleonard | I believe that's what drojf is getting at about adding the "freedom" to the "open source" |
| 12:56 | nengard | oh! |
| 12:56 | got it! | |
| 12:57 | now - a question - what tutorial videos do we need?? :) | |
| 12:57 | I'm out of ideas | |
| 12:58 | is there an easy way to find a vendor using their ID number? | |
| 12:58 | one library wanted a video on how to find out the vendor name using the ID number that's being put in the item record during acquisitions | |
| 12:59 | kf | hm |
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| 12:59 | kf | I think you can't do that easily right now |
| 12:59 | jcamins | nengard: I think you have to enter it into the URL, but I could be mistaken. |
| 12:59 | kf | amybe a custom report |
| 12:59 | yeah or manipulate the url | |
| 12:59 | nengard | that's what i was worried about |
| 12:59 | not sure i want to do a video on how to change the URL | |
| 12:59 | kf | I think you could probably use jQuery to create a link... |
| 12:59 | on the page | |
| 12:59 | nengard | and a report in a video isn't copy-able |
| 12:59 | kf ? ooooooo | |
| 12:59 | i like that idea | |
| 13:00 | i did report bug 8676 | |
| 13:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8676 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , show vendor name in source of acquisition |
| 13:00 | kf | I mean it should be possible to get the number shown and place a link somewhere near to it - but have no time to work that out right now :( |
| 13:00 | nengard: I think the problem with that is, that a pull down will not work | |
| 13:00 | nengard | that's okay |
| 13:00 | kf | We have a special library with several hundreds of vendors |
| 13:00 | nengard | yeah, |
| 13:01 | and so do a lot of libraries | |
| 13:01 | kf | what we would need is show the name - read only maybe |
| 13:01 | oleonard | nengard: Did you see my request for a screenshot on that bug? |
| 13:01 | nengard | but jquery might be the way to go |
| 13:01 | kf | or a new feature |
| 13:01 | like make the field use a autocomplete thingy | |
| 13:01 | nengard | oleonard, i did not, adding one now |
| 13:01 | kf | or a search button to search for the vendor like we do in serials |
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| 13:03 | nengard | OOOOO -I got it |
| 13:04 | I know how to show people to do this | |
| 13:04 | mtompset | Does anyone know how to DELETE a wiki page? |
| 13:04 | nengard | I'll be back with a link for you all |
| 13:04 | i think that's a special permission | |
| 13:04 | mtompset | Even if I created the page? |
| 13:05 | oleonard | mtompset: Don't you simply empty the contents of the page? |
| 13:05 | * oleonard | vaguely recalls? |
| 13:06 | mtompset | I tried that. |
| 13:06 | The page still exists. | |
| 13:06 | oleonard | Exists as an empty page? |
| 13:06 | mtompset | yes. |
| 13:06 | oleonard | Try the help. |
| 13:07 | mtompset | where is that? |
| 13:07 | wahanui | i heard that was pulled from the fields |
| 13:07 | mtompset | wahanui forget that |
| 13:07 | wahanui | mtompset: I forgot that |
| 13:07 | oleonard | mtompset: Left-hand sidebar? |
| 13:08 | mtompset | Ah, normal users can't do it. |
| 13:09 | Well, I figure our fearless "Installation Documentation Manager" (mtj) will fix it whenever. :) | |
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| 13:10 | mtompset | mtj++ # for verbalizing and volunteering regarding such a position. :) |
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| 13:16 | nengard | kf, jcamins: http://blip.tv/bywater-solutio[…]-koha-3-8-6345112 |
| 13:16 | and oleonard | |
| 13:16 | wahanui | oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
| 13:16 | nengard | hehe |
| 13:17 | wajasu | jcamins_away: will try 8209 and 8726 |
| 13:18 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 13:18 | saa | i have been getting no results in OPAC even cron job is set in 3.8.3 koha zebrasrv gives error as "DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'koha.zebraqueue' doesn't exist at /home/koha/bin/zebraqueue_daemon.pl line 124." |
| 13:18 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!" (added by jdavidb at 09:40 PM, July 17, 2009) |
| 13:18 | saa | can someone help |
| 13:18 | i am preparing livecd for koha with new version of koha | |
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| 13:20 | mtompset | Sorry, saa, but a livecd is not recommended. |
| 13:21 | By the time you finish burning it, and passing it around, the next version will already be released. | |
| 13:21 | saa | we knw but still it is useful |
| 13:21 | for workshops on koha | |
| 13:22 | and where people are nt aware about installation or cannot handle installation | |
| 13:23 | mtompset | Yes, but then those people will take the livecd with them, and cascade the problem. |
| 13:23 | kf | mtompset: there are places where people can't download so much data easily |
| 13:24 | mtompset | I know, kf. But outside of the workshop, a support nightmare has been created. |
| 13:25 | (assuming they take the LiveCD with them) | |
| 13:26 | oleonard | mtompset: You can ask that this disadvantage be pointed out, but you can't stop people from wanting to create LiveCDs |
| 13:26 | saa | we burn these iso on CDROM and distribute during workshop |
| 13:27 | which is very helpful and handy for participants | |
| 13:27 | can someone help to solve the above error | |
| 13:28 | kf | magnuse: why is it so hard to find a mail from you about gbsd? I wanted to steal shamelessly :) |
| 13:28 | mtompset | What error? |
| 13:28 | oleonard | posted above mtompset |
| 13:28 | saa | koha zebrasrv gives error as "DBD::mysql:t execute failed: Table 'koha.zebraqueue' doesn't exist at /home/koha/bin/zebraqueue_daemon.pl line 124 |
| 13:28 | oleonard | saa: That means your Koha database wasn't created properly |
| 13:29 | mtompset | Did you do the web installer steps? |
| 13:29 | magnuse | kf: cause i go out of my way to hide them? ;-) |
| 13:30 | mtompset | If you did the web installer steps, it should create all the tables necessary. And if it didn't then there is something wrong with your koha database. |
| 13:31 | saa | but it didnt give any error while web installer is ran |
| 13:31 | magnuse | kf try googling for: koha-devel Global Bug Squashing Day |
| 13:32 | mtompset | Then your koha database's tables are messed up. |
| 13:32 | saa | i just ran web installer step by step |
| 13:32 | what could go wrong | |
| 13:32 | mtompset | Did you have tables in your koha database before you ran the web installer? |
| 13:33 | saa | no |
| 13:33 | mtompset | Is your koha database called koha? |
| 13:33 | saa | just blank koha database is created with providing permissions |
| 13:33 | yes koha database kohaadmin user | |
| 13:33 | kf | hm |
| 13:33 | mtompset | All the defaults... |
| 13:33 | kf | when I write friday that's wrong - right |
| 13:33 | ? | |
| 13:33 | because it's not friday everywhere? | |
| 13:34 | mtompset | friday |
| 13:34 | kf | or is it? |
| 13:34 | oh it is | |
| 13:34 | mtompset | Friday? |
| 13:34 | wahanui | Friday is probably It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday |
| 13:34 | kf | i hate timezones |
| 13:34 | saa | yes |
| 13:35 | DBD::mysql::st fetchrow_hashref failed: fetch() without execute() at /home/koha/bin/zebraqueue_daemon.pl line 125. | |
| 13:35 | oleonard | kf: For reference, magnuse did state a day of the week in previous announcements even if it isn't entirely accurate for everyone |
| 13:35 | saa | last line of zebraqueue log |
| 13:36 | magnuse | kf, oleonard: it is friday, wherever you happen to be, that's why it is effectively 48 hours, not 24 |
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| 13:36 | vfernandes | hi guys |
| 13:36 | oleonard | There you go kf. Thanks magnuse of course you're right |
| 13:36 | mtompset | blank db... ran webinstaller... no errors... zebraqueue error? |
| 13:36 | vfernandes | i'm having a little problem with one of mine Koha installation |
| 13:37 | magnuse | kf, oleonard: "The 24 hours of Friday September 14th 2012, in whatever time zone you are in." :-) |
| 13:37 | mtompset | "The 48 hours of Friday September 14th, 2012, of whatever time zone you wish." ;) |
| 13:37 | vfernandes | the overdue notices are not being sent to the user/patron... instead of that is being build a multipart on the database and are sent to rootlocalhost |
| 13:39 | mtompset | Sorry, saa... I can't see how that logically could happen. |
| 13:39 | saa | ok |
| 13:40 | magnuse | kf: more than ok! :-) |
| 13:41 | oleonard | kf++ |
| 13:41 | kf | oleonard: I take your ++ that I didn't make any embarassing typos? :) |
| 13:42 | oleonard | Looks good to me kf |
| 13:43 | kf | koha and koha-devel? |
| 13:43 | mtompset | The end time needs 5 more minutes. ;) |
| 13:43 | Well... 4:59.999999 ;) | |
| 13:44 | But that's the wiki. | |
| 13:45 | magnuse | kf: that's what i have usually done |
| 13:46 | kf | it's done |
| 13:46 | vfernandes | no one can help me? |
| 13:46 | magnuse | kf++ |
| 13:47 | kf | yay |
| 13:47 | now I got the karma :) | |
| 13:47 | @karma kf | |
| 13:47 | huginn | kf: Karma for "kf" has been increased 202 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 202. |
| 13:47 | oleonard | vfernandes: Do you have the AutoEmailPrimaryAddress system preference set to something other than "first valid?" |
| 13:47 | mtompset | @karma mtompset |
| 13:47 | huginn | mtompset: Karma for "mtompset" has been increased 20 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 19. |
| 13:48 | kf | eek |
| 13:48 | mtompset | Wow, I suck. |
| 13:48 | magnuse | @karma cait |
| 13:48 | huginn | magnuse: Karma for "cait" has been increased 318 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 317. |
| 13:48 | kf | almost edited the template |
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| 13:48 | mtompset | @karma mbalmer |
| 13:48 | huginn | mtompset: Karma for "mbalmer" has been increased 9 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 9. |
| 13:48 | wajasu | vfernandes: i believe that when a patron does not have an email configured, the overdue notices are batched up and sent tot he syspref KohaAdminEmailAddress. rootlocalhost is the default KohaAdminEmailAddress. See if that patron has an email address configured. |
| 13:48 | mtompset | mbalmer++ # for making me feel better. |
| 13:48 | kf | mtompset: I have been around for a while |
| 13:48 | wizzyrea | actually that address is configured in the sysprefs |
| 13:48 | magnuse | kf: the template is there to be edited, so we can improve it from one gbsd to the next :-) |
| 13:49 | wizzyrea | er sorry library definitions |
| 13:49 | admin -> library and branches | |
| 13:49 | Oak | kf++ |
| 13:49 | kf | magnuse: I wanted to add a not about the bugs and dates in the rlelease newsletter |
| 13:49 | and I seem to not beig able to do it | |
| 13:49 | help? | |
| 13:49 | wahanui | help is at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help. |
| 13:50 | kf | hm thx wahanui |
| 13:50 | wahanui | yw |
| 13:50 | magnuse | hm, click the edit tab on top of the page, not the links "inside" the page? |
| 13:50 | kf | oooh |
| 13:50 | ok | |
| 13:50 | wizzyrea | what are you trying to do |
| 13:50 | magnuse | first question? |
| 13:50 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" |
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| 13:50 | kf | wizzyrea: I am trying to add '''Deadlines for the 3.10 release and an (incomplete) list of bugs and patches that will be affected by that can be found in the [http://koha-community.org/koha[…]etter-10-2012-08/ monthly RM newsletter]!''' |
| 13:50 | as an additional note under the headline What | |
| 13:51 | * mtompset | has a musical flashback, "Help! I need somebody. Help! Not just anybody. Help!" ;) |
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| 13:51 | * kf | gives up |
| 13:51 | wizzyrea | kf are you logged in? |
| 13:51 | Oak | take a deep breath kf ans try again |
| 13:51 | oleonard | Whoa: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]bin/bug_status.pl |
| 13:51 | kf | I edited the template - magnuse will repair it maybe... :) |
| 13:52 | magnuse | kf: yeah, you can't put things inside the template text without changing the template. just put it above the template? |
| 13:52 | wizzyrea | wtf are you guys doing lol. |
| 13:52 | kf | editing the wiki :) |
| 13:52 | wizzyrea | lol ok |
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| 13:52 | magnuse | oleonard: yeah, there is some squashing to be done! |
| 13:53 | oleonard | magnuse: I'm surprised. It was as low as 62 last week I thought |
| 13:54 | mtompset | Wednesday Thursday Friday, wizzyrea? ;) |
| 13:54 | * Oak | will tell someone wizzyrea used the f word... :) |
| 13:54 | vfernandes | wajasu |
| 13:54 | thats correct | |
| 13:54 | mtompset | Greetings, Oak. |
| 13:54 | Oak | hello mtompset :) |
| 13:55 | vfernandes | i thought that koha look for the valid email (work or home) bu always tries to sent to the home email |
| 14:01 | wajasu | vfernandes: well, maybe a note in the documentation might be in order if it doesn't say so already. there are many other notices, and supporting secondary or tertiary email addresses might be a lot to test. |
| 14:04 | vfernandes: i only know about this because i worked on bug 8378 and hope it goes out for our future release | |
| 14:04 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore |
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| 14:05 | * magnuse | wanders off |
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| 14:06 | kf | hi paul_p |
| 14:06 | Oak | wb paul_p |
| 14:07 | kf | hi sophie_m :) |
| 14:08 | paul_p | (was not afk, it's just my SDSL that's still crazy...) |
| 14:08 | (at a meeting) | |
| 14:25 | oleonard | The "suspension in days" feature is what sets a date in the debarred field, correct? |
| 14:27 | kf | hm I think you can also set it manually |
| 14:27 | but it should be that | |
| 14:27 | jcamins | oleonard: I thought suspension in days was supposed to do that but didn't. |
| 14:32 | sophie_m | hi kf : we are regularly disconnected here :/ |
| 14:37 | kf | sophie_m: :( |
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| 14:50 | tcohen | hi #koha, a question on 110$t |
| 14:51 | is there a rule for when that the ocurrence of $t is valid?= | |
| 14:51 | indicators, presence of other subfield than $a, etc? | |
| 14:51 | Barrc | another silly git question......is it the norm to clone the repo to a new working dir for each patch? That is, suppose I clone the repo - work on a small patch then want to move to another patch? |
| 14:52 | jcamins | No. Not at all. |
| 14:52 | tcohen: $t should not be used on 1xx fields in MARC21. | |
| 14:52 | It can only be used in 6xx and 7xx. | |
| 14:53 | oleonard | Barrc: Do you mean clone a new repo or create a new branch? |
| 14:53 | jcamins | Barrc: you create a new *branch* for each bug you want to test. |
| 14:53 | git? | |
| 14:53 | wahanui | git is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 14:53 | jcamins | ^^ that page explains branch creation, I think. |
| 14:54 | Barrc | oleonard: That's my query I suppose (I have looked at the wiki). Support I create a branch, then do some work. The files here are modified...... |
| 14:54 | jcamins | Barrc: you commit your changed files to your branch. Then you have the commit saved, and can switch to a new branch to do something else. |
| 14:54 | tcohen | jcamins: found an example of its usage here http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd110.html |
| 14:55 | Barrc | So, when I switch to another branch, the modified files get reverted to the original ones? |
| 14:55 | oleonard | Barrc: If you type "git branch" does it list only "master" ? |
| 14:55 | jcamins | Barrc: no, you can't switch branches unless you commit your changes. |
| 14:55 | Barrc | oleonard: No, I have master and the branch I made to work on |
| 14:55 | jcamins | tcohen: that's odd. I was always told that $t couldn't be used in 1xx. |
| 14:55 | Barrc | I am finished with that now and would like to move on to something else! |
| 14:55 | oleonard | Barrc: That's good. You shouldn't commit your changes to your master branch |
| 14:55 | Barrc | I think I have! |
| 14:56 | git log seems to show it | |
| 14:56 | oleonard | Barrc: So commit your changes to your custom branch and create a new one based on master |
| 14:56 | Oh, commits in master. | |
| 14:56 | jcamins | This is why I don't have a master branch. |
| 14:56 | It's impossible to inadvertantly commit to it. | |
| 14:57 | oleonard | Barrc: Check out master, then create a new branch without specifying what it's based on. |
| 14:57 | The new branch should have the changes you made to master. | |
| 14:58 | Then you can check out master again and "git reset --hard origin" | |
| 14:58 | Barrc | ah - cool. So, the reset will get me back to the original files. Then in future, do you recommend not committing to master, is that the preferred method? |
| 14:59 | oleonard | Right, do not commit when you're in the master branch |
| 14:59 | If you want to have a master branch you should keep it clean | |
| 14:59 | ...just like they told you in 6th grade. Zing! | |
| 15:00 | Barrc | oleonard: thanks! |
| 15:03 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:09 | Barrc | One more question! If you don't commit to master how can you see the change on the dev install of Koha? If you know what I mean!? |
| 15:10 | oleonard | Barrc: Whatever branch is checked out is the branch your Koha installation is running off of |
| 15:10 | jcamins | Barrc: you check out the branch you want to use. |
| 15:10 | mtompset | Greetings, oleonard, jcamins, and tcohen. |
| 15:10 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
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| 15:22 | bag | good morning |
| 15:26 | Barrc | So, sorry for the struggle here....but - I preform a git clone. I now have a clone directory of the repository. Do I run a dev install off this? |
| 15:26 | mtompset | YES. |
| 15:26 | Barrc | or do I create a working branch first? |
| 15:27 | mtompset | well, branch first. |
| 15:27 | Hmm... either? | |
| 15:27 | wahanui | either is, like, fine |
| 15:27 | mtompset | Some one else? |
| 15:27 | wizzyrea | I don't think there's a "best practice" for that |
| 15:27 | certainly if you are writing code, it's better to be on a branch. | |
| 15:28 | but if you just want to run koha off of a git clone | |
| 15:28 | I don't think you need a branch | |
| 15:28 | * mtompset | nods. |
| 15:28 | mtompset | I'd go with that. :) |
| 15:28 | jcamins | Barrc: here's how I do it: git clone. Run through the install. Decide to develop things. Check out a new branch based on origin/master, and delete my master branch. |
| 15:28 | wizzyrea | ^^ I was about to type this exact thing |
| 15:29 | though I usually leave my master alone. | |
| 15:29 | mtompset | that way you don't get confused over "master". :) |
| 15:29 | jcamins | Right. |
| 15:29 | mtompset | Actually, for 3.6.x and 3.8.x, I did what jcamins said. |
| 15:29 | Barrc | jcamins: Excellent. So, say I do just that, and have a branch called "Bar". |
| 15:29 | jcamins | And I have a git shortcut for checking out current master: git com = git checkout origin/master |
| 15:29 | mtompset | Just so that I knew which one it was. ;) |
| 15:29 | wizzyrea | ^^ I do this too |
| 15:30 | Barrc | Koha is pointing at this and running fine. I can make some changes to the code and they are reflected in the Koha interface. |
| 15:30 | wizzyrea | git aliases? |
| 15:30 | jcamins | (well, actually, I don't have an origin repo, either, but that's beside the point) |
| 15:30 | git alias? | |
| 15:30 | wizzyrea | aha, apparently I never set that up |
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| 15:30 | jcamins | git shortcuts? |
| 15:30 | mtompset | if you are going to make changes... BRANCH. |
| 15:30 | jcamins | Barrc: right. If you change Zebra configuration files, you will need to rerun the make install. |
| 15:30 | wizzyrea | ^^^^^ so much this |
| 15:30 | both. | |
| 15:31 | Barrc | Then, I am happy with the changes on that branch and I would like to move to some other patch/bug etc.?? |
| 15:31 | ^^ This is where I get confused | |
| 15:31 | wizzyrea | git aliases is <reply> Make it easier with git aliases: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ify_command_tasks |
| 15:31 | git aliases? | |
| 15:31 | wahanui | Make it easier with git aliases: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ify_command_tasks |
| 15:31 | jcamins | Barrc: then you do `git checkout -b new_branch origin/master` |
| 15:32 | wizzyrea | oh we don't have com on there |
| 15:32 | * wizzyrea | will fix it in a minute |
| 15:32 | Barrc | jcamins: OK, and that's it? The Koha install will start reading from the new branch? |
| 15:33 | jcamins | Barrc: Koha doesn't know from branches. It just knows what files are currently checked out. |
| 15:33 | Barrc | OK, that fills in the missing part - checked out is important! |
| 15:33 | thanks | |
| 15:33 | kf | drojf: making slides... |
| 15:34 | Oak | slides? |
| 15:34 | wahanui | kf should be writing slides |
| 15:34 | drojf | kf: cool :) |
| 15:34 | kf | not using my usual slides |
| 15:35 | wajasu | jcamins: i've got my bug8726 branch set up with all the deps applied. i need help to see suggestions. |
| 15:35 | drojf | i'm excited to see how you put all koha in 10 minutes ;) |
| 15:35 | kf | hehe me too |
| 15:35 | trying to keep it short and simple | |
| 15:35 | but enough to make them talk to u | |
| 15:35 | s | |
| 15:35 | jcamins | wajasu: they should just show up after you enable them, per the test plan instructions. |
| 15:36 | If not, there's a problem with the patch which I can't troubleshoot at the moment. | |
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| 15:37 | drojf | kf: i would assume that those who are really interested in koha have specific questions for us later and the rest will just listen to that |
| 15:37 | no idea how many people will really be interested in koha though | |
| 15:38 | wajasu | i set suggest on in admin, and i can type whatever, and always get no results. though my arizona results are findable. i'm grabbing lunch, will check in later to see if you have time. |
| 15:38 | kf | if there are a few really interested peopel that's ok :) |
| 15:39 | drojf | yup. and if nobody cares we are close to the food :D |
| 15:39 | jcamins | wajasu: I won't have any time today, but if you put a note of what queries you're trying, and what authority records they should match, I'll see what I can see. |
| 15:39 | kf | lol |
| 15:41 | jcamins | wajasu: oh, wait, you mean suggestions in the staff client? They weren't added yet. |
| 15:41 | wajasu | jcamins: i just searched for "bacon" and i really only have the geonames in the db from testing 8211, so i got no results with no visible suggestions. IN OPAC |
| 15:41 | jcamins | Ah, of course. |
| 15:41 | You'll only get suggestions if you search for Arizona, Phoenix, United, or States. | |
| 15:42 | * jcamins | should have specified "you should have multiple authority records" in the test plan. |
| 15:42 | jcamins | What I'd do is turn on "BiblioAddsAuthorities" and AutoCreateAuthorities, and catalog a bunch of things. |
| 15:43 | oleonard | wajasu++ # for testing |
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| 15:43 | wajasu | searching for Arizona gave me all the results from the 8211 geoname heirarchy. do i need to add more authority records with Arizona subject heading that aren't part of that heirarchy? |
| 15:43 | ok. ill try adding some | |
| 15:43 | oleonard | I think anyone who is tired of waiting for a signoff should lead a testing walkthrough on GBSD. Maybe even set up a schedule. |
| 15:44 | jcamins | oleonard: intriguing idea. |
| 15:44 | wajasu: I tend to forget that most people don't have 40k+ authorities sitting around for testing purposes. | |
| 15:44 | oleonard | Who has two thumbs and doesn't have 40k+ authorities sitting around for testing purposes? |
| 15:44 | This guy. | |
| 15:45 | mtompset | 40k+ AUTHORITIES?! |
| 15:45 | wajasu | can i borrows your 40k+ for a moment? :) |
| 15:45 | i don't have time to key them in. | |
| 15:45 | jcamins | wajasu: Sure, but uploading might take a bit. |
| 15:46 | wajasu: how about I give you 10k? | |
| 15:46 | mtompset | Suddenly 428 authorities looks like piddly squat. |
| 15:46 | jcamins | Faster to upload. |
| 15:47 | Actually, here's a smaller set. | |
| 15:47 | 3500. | |
| 15:47 | wajasu | nice. |
| 15:47 | jcamins | I don't know quite where I got this set from, but that's okay. |
| 15:47 | mtompset | Okay. Dumb library question... what is an authority? and how does that relate to a bibliographic record? Be easy. I'm not a librarian. |
| 15:48 | jcamins | I thought I had only 3500? |
| 15:48 | wizzyrea | dumb question? |
| 15:48 | wahanui | there are no dumb questions. |
| 15:48 | mtompset | Well, I'm showing my library ignorance. |
| 15:49 | So I feel dumb. | |
| 15:49 | wizzyrea | feeling dumb is different from being dumb. ;) |
| 15:49 | mtompset | thankfully! |
| 15:49 | jcamins | Wait. Way to misread. |
| 15:49 | That's 350k | |
| 15:49 | drojf | kf: as you are an IT law expert… wouldn't it be appropriate for my university library to tell me in the imprint that they are loading things from amazon, and maybe also what these things are? not to speak of the implication that if would be logged in to amazon they'd probably know all my searches too? |
| 15:49 | wizzyrea | feeling dumb? |
| 15:49 | wahanui | feeling dumb is different from being dumb. ;) |
| 15:49 | wizzyrea | yesssssss |
| 15:52 | oo http://www.bowker.com/en-US/ab[…]pr_09102012.shtml | |
| 15:52 | * wizzyrea | likes these librarything people. |
| 15:52 | jcamins | Nifty. |
| 15:53 | kf | drojf: yes |
| 15:53 | drojf: they would have to tell you and it should be opt in | |
| 15:53 | or they would have to tell you before it's too late | |
| 15:53 | that is what I was told... but it's not easy to do :( | |
| 15:54 | drojf | kf: i have just seen it now, i don't know what it does. they tell me about "addthis" in the imprint, but not about amazon, bibtip and google |
| 15:54 | wajasu | got em |
| 15:54 | kf | drojf: and I may be wrong too, because I am not really an expert, but we have been discussing that here |
| 15:55 | drojf | maybe it's really new. i think i'll try to write them a friendly email about it. when i feel friendlier about it ;) |
| 15:55 | jcamins | wajasu: I don't really know what authorities are in that, so you'll want to take a peek at your authority list to figure out what you might get suggestions on. |
| 15:55 | (and note that none of the authorities will be linked, so following the suggestions won't return any results) | |
| 15:58 | kf | time to leave here :) bye all :) |
| 15:58 | jcamins | Also note that there are no crazy GND or otherwise German authorities in there. |
| 15:58 | kf | :P |
| 15:58 | wajasu | for my understanding. what triggers suggestions? what would i need to add to get suggestions to popup. just an authority with a subject heading with Arizona? (but not linked) |
| 15:59 | search comes back with Konstanz over and over. | |
| 15:59 | jcamins | wajasu: it depends which suggestion plugin you activated. |
| 15:59 | wajasu | just kidding :) |
| 15:59 | drojf | lol |
| 15:59 | * jcamins | wasn't amused. |
| 15:59 | was horrified. :P | |
| 15:59 | kf | lol |
| 15:59 | jcamins | (for those who don't know, I was battling a Konstanz authority record for four hours yesterday) |
| 16:00 | kf | and it led to improvement :P |
| 16:00 | jcamins | It did. |
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| 16:00 | drojf | so more konstanz, more improvement |
| 16:00 | ;) | |
| 16:00 | kf | yay |
| 16:01 | wajasu | which suggestion plugin. must if active a specific one? |
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| 16:01 | jcamins | wajasu: you have to choose which one you're interested in using. |
| 16:01 | In the "Did you mean?" configuration screen. | |
| 16:02 | wajasu | does that popup? or is it an patron profileish thing? |
| 16:02 | jcamins | What do you mean? |
| 16:03 | Go to the administration section. | |
| 16:03 | wajasu | where is the did you mean config screen? |
| 16:03 | jcamins | At the end there's a "Did you mean?" configuration thing. |
| 16:03 | wajasu | i only det admin syspref. |
| 16:03 | jcamins | Oh, in that case the patch isn't applied. |
| 16:04 | It sounds like you have 8209, but not 8723. | |
| 16:04 | wajasu | 8726 |
| 16:04 | jcamins | Sorry. |
| 16:04 | * jcamins | was working on 8523 yesterday. |
| 16:05 | kf | now really gone :) |
| 16:05 | wajasu | my git log shows 8726 applied. |
| 16:05 | jcamins | And you don't see Did you mean? at the end? |
| 16:05 | * jcamins | will post a screenshot. |
| 16:05 | jcamins | (that's fast) |
| 16:06 | wajasu | i found it |
| 16:06 | i thought you only ment the syspref | |
| 16:06 | i can't spell today. | |
| 16:07 | its showing up now. | |
| 16:07 | jcamins | Ah. No, sorry. |
| 16:07 | wajasu | its works YAY!!!! |
| 16:08 | jcamins | That config screen is the best part! :D |
| 16:11 | wajasu | I like it. when i do related terms search my search text field has su-rl=Arizona instead of su-rl:Arizona Are they equivalent? |
| 16:11 | jcamins | Yes. = is actually preferable to : with our current query parser. |
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| 16:18 | jcamins | wajasu: with a new QueryParser we'll switch to : instead of =, but in my opinion it's better to have the most-functional behavior *now*, and it's easy to change later. |
| 16:20 | gaetan_B | bye |
| 16:22 | wajasu | can you describe what needs to be added to get a result from an authority file plugin (w/o 10Kauths) ? |
| 16:22 | i like the drag and drop plugin order :) | |
| 16:23 | jcamins | wajasu: yeah, it's easy. Just link an authority to a bib record. :) |
| 16:24 | (then do a search for a term that appears in the authority, and it'll say 'Did you mean "Smith, John"' and when you click on Smith, John you'll get a list of books by/about him. | |
| 16:26 | For example, if you have an authority record for Puff Daddy, you could search for one of his other names, and follow a suggestion to get to his biography. | |
| 16:26 | (note: I don't know what his actual name is, just that it changed a lot) | |
| 16:26 | (I also don't know if anyone has written a biography of him) | |
| 16:27 | (also, I'm not 100% sure that I'm gendering Puff Daddy correctly, but it seems to me that "Daddy" implies masculine gender) | |
| 16:27 | (P.S. I think s/he's an a musician or actor) | |
| 16:27 | wizzyrea | you got it right. :) |
| 16:29 | wajasu | i thought if I searched for "Arizona" and click the authority file link, i might be able to get some other biblio linked. but i wondered if i link with some topical term, the general keyword search will it pick up. |
| 16:31 | jcamins | wajasu: this is most useful for names, really. |
| 16:32 | Puff Daddy used to be P. Diddy. If you searched for "P Diddy" in the catalog, you probably wouldn't find his biography, because he's now "Puff Daddy." | |
| 16:32 | However, the suggestion plugin would suggest "Puff Daddy" from a search for "P Diddy." | |
| 16:32 | wajasu | does he have a holographic manifestation available yet? |
| 16:33 | wizzyrea | that's tupac :P |
| 16:33 | I think. | |
| 16:33 | wajasu | right. |
| 16:33 | wizzyrea | didn't p diddy just change his name again? |
| 16:33 | jcamins | Hehe. I know that Tupac is a rapper. |
| 16:33 | wizzyrea: I don't know. Probably is an unpronounceable symbol. | |
| 16:33 | * wizzyrea | giggles |
| 16:33 | jcamins | That seems to be the way people are going these days. |
| 16:34 | wizzyrea | no… who was it that just changed their name to become a reggae artist…. |
| 16:34 | it was a rapper... | |
| 16:34 | OH | |
| 16:34 | i | |
| 16:34 | it was Snoop Dogg | |
| 16:34 | he is now Snoop Lion | |
| 16:35 | no, i'm totally not kidding | |
| 16:35 | an | |
| 16:35 | d I don't even follow this stuff really. | |
| 16:35 | jcamins | Seriously? |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea | seriously |
| 16:35 | jcamins | I'm glad I wasn't taking a drink, because that did in fact make me laugh. |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 16:35 | oleonard | Snoop should upgrade to Mountain Lion. |
| 16:35 | * wizzyrea | giggles |
| 16:36 | wizzyrea | all I googled was "changed name reggae" |
| 16:36 | you would think there would be more than one of these, but every hit was "snoop dogg changes name to snoop lion" | |
| 16:36 | jcamins | wizzyrea: probably because it's just so absurd. |
| 16:37 | wizzyrea | yes, it's utterly absurd. |
| 16:37 | tcohen | is it possible that Koha has problems retreiving CHRON_TERM authorities? |
| 16:37 | oleonard | Sorry tcohen we're only talking about rappers now |
| 16:37 | ;) | |
| 16:37 | jcamins | tcohen: probable, in fact. |
| 16:37 | wizzyrea | and Reggae artists :P |
| 16:39 | tcohen | You didn't read my question well, I actually asked if you have heard Cunninlynguists? |
| 16:40 | jcamins | lol |
| 16:41 | tcohen | If I was listening some old beastie boys tapes, and wanted to ask zebra for some CHRON_TERM using yaz, how would I do it? |
| 16:42 | jcamins | tcohen++ # awesome! |
| 16:43 | @attr 1=Chronological-term "term" | |
| 16:43 | huginn | jcamins: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 16:44 | jcamins | Alternatively, @and @attr 1=authtype "CHRON_TERM" @attr 1=Heading-Main "term" |
| 16:44 | drojf: in a German library catalog, what would "[3] Bl." mean? | |
| 16:44 | wajasu | i'm signing off on this 8726. after lunch. superb work jcamins!!! I'm going to bea able to create some nice heirarchies. |
| 16:45 | jcamins | Thanks! |
| 16:45 | wajasu | maybe the tag cloud stuff can use the subject heirarchies |
| 16:45 | jcamins | wajasu: oooh. That'd be very cool. |
| 16:45 | * jcamins | had never thought of that. |
| 16:45 | jcamins | wajasu++ |
| 16:46 | drojf | jcamins: do you have a full example? |
| 16:46 | wajasu | i'd put it onthe front page. it would describe our library. |
| 16:47 | jcamins | drojf: http://gso.gbv.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=647749068 |
| 16:47 | drojf | wajasu: the tag cloud uses only one subfield at the moment AFAIR so that would need some tuning |
| 16:48 | jcamins | drojf: the tag cloud uses tags, so a script could easily be written to extract authority things. |
| 16:49 | drojf | jcamins: that might mean "Blatt" (sheets of paper) |
| 16:49 | wajasu | i also thought it might be cool that as you were cataloging a biblio, on the right side margin, possibly related authority records could appear using ajax. |
| 16:49 | jcamins | drojf: thanks! |
| 16:49 | drojf | jcamins: it seems to be some kind of advertisement |
| 16:49 | jcamins | wajasu: yeah, the cataloging module desperately needs an overhaul. |
| 16:50 | drojf: yup. It's a prospectus. Pretty cool. | |
| 16:50 | If you're the type of person who likes prospecti. | |
| 16:50 | * wajasu | lunch, then signoff |
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| 17:14 | ala | Hello #koha |
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| 17:15 | ala_3vo | Hello #Koha |
| 17:16 | drojf | hello ala_3vo |
| 17:16 | ala_3vo | Hi there drojf |
| 17:19 | I have just attended a Koha workshop conducted by USP and SPC yesterday. Good for a start in the Pacific | |
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| 17:23 | drojf | yeah for koha world domination ;) |
| 17:24 | * drojf | goes home to his 17000k light |
| 17:24 | cait | oh, what did I miss? |
| 17:24 | jcamins | 17000k light? |
| 17:24 | cait | don't tell me you plotted out world domination witout me? |
| 17:25 | drojf | cait: (19:17:47) ala_3vo: I have just attended a Koha workshop conducted by USP and SPC yesterday. Good for a start in the Pacific |
| 17:25 | jcamins: lots of blue, makes me awake. getting dark here | |
| 17:25 | cait | yeah here too... |
| 17:25 | * cait | tries to find something for dinner |
| 17:26 | jcamins | drojf: I thought blue was to put you to sleep? |
| 17:26 | drojf | maybe i should hide one of the lamps in the library |
| 17:27 | jcamins: not really :) | |
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| 17:31 | Shane-S | Anyone know of an easy way to group patrons and do a barcode/name page of them. We are a school and would to group kids easily by primary teacher name. Right now I have to manually add them all into a batch per teacher |
| 17:32 | and I can't name the batch so I have to keep it written down like batch 4 is for Jane Doe's homeroom | |
| 17:33 | jcamins | Shane-S: I might. |
| 17:33 | I don't know how to do it using the barcode tool, but I've used reports to print out barcode sheets. | |
| 17:34 | Save it as a CSV, then change the font for the barcode column. | |
| 17:34 | That may or may not be in any way useful to you. | |
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| 17:38 | tcohen | jcamins, how do I connect to a local zebra server trough a socket? (it IS listening in a socket, right? which is it as default?) |
| 17:38 | jcamins | tcohen: it is listening through a socket, but yaz's documentation is wrong. |
| 17:38 | Let me find it. | |
| 17:39 | tcohen | authoritysocket |
| 17:39 | /var/run/koha/zebradb | |
| 17:39 | jcamins | yaz-client unix:///home/jcamins/koha-dev/var/run/zebradb/authoritysocket -c ~/koha-dev/etc/zebradb/ccl.properties |
| 17:40 | tcohen | thanks! |
| 17:40 | jcamins | (replacing the paths with ones appropriate for your installation, of course) |
| 17:41 | tcohen | hmmmmmmmmm |
| 17:41 | Number of hits: 0 | |
| 17:43 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 17:43 | Try the second search I suggested. | |
| 17:43 | * jcamins | doesn't use CHRON_TERM (full disclosure) |
| 17:44 | tcohen | they're not being indexed I guess, or wrong index |
| 17:44 | jcamins | That was the reason for the secord search. :) |
| 17:48 | tcohen | both return 0 hits |
| 17:48 | jcamins | Okay, take out the @and @attr 1=authtype |
| 17:49 | tcohen | find @attr 1=Heading-Main "Na" |
| 17:49 | Number of hits: 1 | |
| 17:50 | find @and @attr 1=authtype "CHRON_TERM" @attr 1=Heading-Main "Na" | |
| 17:50 | Number of hits: 0 | |
| 17:50 | wajasu | rangi: i had to retest/SIGNOFF 8209 though it passed QA. i can't change status to SIGNED-OFF from PASSED-QA. |
| 17:52 | jcamins | wajasu: right, it already passed QA. |
| 17:52 | No need to sign off. | |
| 17:54 | Shane-S | jcamins: alright, now I just need to get a barcode font on my librarian's system :P |
| 17:55 | tcohen | jcamins, what do I need to add to a query to get the actual results? |
| 17:57 | jcamins | tcohen: Let me check. |
| 17:57 | tcohen | show |
| 17:57 | jcamins | Yes. :) |
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| 17:58 | tcohen | oops |
| 17:59 | no 148 on record.abs | |
| 17:59 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 17:59 | That explains it. | |
| 17:59 | But you should be using DOM. | |
| 17:59 | koha-authority-indexdefs.xml | |
| 17:59 | tcohen | i didn't because I was getting some weird error |
| 17:59 | when indexing | |
| 18:00 | guess I'll have to give it a try | |
| 18:00 | (again) | |
| 18:00 | jcamins | Ah. You're going to run into all sorts of trouble with authorities. |
| 18:00 | (not using DOM) | |
| 18:00 | The error was with bibliographic records, yes? | |
| 18:00 | mbalmer | dpavlin_ , ayt? |
| 18:00 | jcamins | The 148 probably isn't indexed with DOM either. |
| 18:00 | tcohen | we weren't able to search for chronological terms |
| 18:01 | jcamins | tcohen: yes, that's because you just determined it isn't indexed. |
| 18:01 | I meant the weird error was with bibs indexed as DOM. | |
| 18:01 | tcohen | yeah, I meant that this was the only problem we've got yet |
| 18:01 | ohhh | |
| 18:02 | is there a path for migrating from GRS-1 to DOM? | |
| 18:02 | jcamins | Run Makefile.PL with the --prev-install-log option. |
| 18:03 | tcohen | that will set everything to point koha to use dom |
| 18:04 | jcamins | tcohen: no, you'll have to choose DOM. |
| 18:04 | tcohen | i remember changing in koha-conf.xml some entries to point to -dom files |
| 18:05 | jcamins | Oh, you could do that too. |
| 18:05 | tcohen | i'll follow your advise on a test install and try to reindex |
| 18:06 | i remember an error on smth about Bib-1 not defined... | |
| 18:06 | mtompset | Question... does libchi-perl not return a version number? |
| 18:07 | How do I manually check? | |
| 18:07 | dpkg -l says I have it installed, but ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m -u says I have version 0* | |
| 18:11 | mbalmer | PostgreSQL 9.2 was released today. |
| 18:12 | tcohen | is it worth a patch? (the addition of chronological terms indexing) |
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| 18:13 | oleonard | This concludes the Postgres non-sequitor portion of our broadcast |
| 18:16 | tcohen | jcamins, it worked! (grs-1 chronological terms indexing |
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| 18:17 | oleonard | Okay, relevant to Bug 7067: Is there any good reason the process_message_queue cron can't be run every minute? |
| 18:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , allow patron self registration via the opac |
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| 18:24 | jcamins | tcohen: yes, definitely worth a patch. |
| 18:26 | tcohen | 148 appears to be indexed in DOM (according to authority-koha-indexdefs.xml) |
| 18:26 | gmcharlt | oleonard: I'd want a lockfile to make sure that multiple runs don't occur simultaneously, but other than that, no reason not to run it as frequently as once a minute |
| 18:26 | jcamins | tcohen: excellent! |
| 18:27 | oleonard | gmcharlt: Is the lockfile something that needs to be added by the patch? |
| 18:28 | gmcharlt | oleonard: yeah, I'd say so |
| 18:28 | I'll add a comment to the bug | |
| 18:29 | jcamins | cait: does "wie" in German mean something closer to "while," "because," or "how"? |
| 18:34 | tcohen | jcamins, done. Bug 8750 |
| 18:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Chronological terms authorities not correctly indexed |
| 18:35 | jcamins | tcohen++ |
| 18:40 | * mtompset | dislikes libchi-perl. |
| 18:40 | jcamins | mtompset: you don't have to use it. It's optional. |
| 18:40 | mtompset | I determined I had to install Log::Any and Moose to get CHI to return a version number. |
| 18:41 | jcamins | mtompset: ew, and now you're going to have it loading Moose. |
| 18:41 | * jcamins | uses Moose-less CHI. |
| 18:42 | mtompset | Well, it wouldn't tell me a version number otherwise. |
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| 18:43 | * jcamins | can think of worse things. |
| 18:43 | cait | hi YoungPublicLibrarian |
| 18:43 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Hello everyone! |
| 18:43 | jcamins | Such as loading Moose when it's not necessary. ;) |
| 18:43 | mtompset | Yes, but if it doesn't tell me a version number, what else may break? |
| 18:43 | jcamins | mtompset: nothing. |
| 18:43 | It's optional, and I developed it without installing Moose. | |
| 18:44 | mtompset | You wrote CHI? |
| 18:44 | jcamins | No. |
| 18:44 | I wrote Koha's drivers for it. | |
| 18:44 | mtompset | Ah. |
| 18:46 | I also had to install 4 other libraries after convincing CHI to return a version number to convince CHI::Driver::Memcached to return a version number. | |
| 18:47 | * jcamins | refers to his above statement regarding Moose. |
| 18:48 | jcamins | Of course, if you're using Plack it's worth setting up Moose. |
| 18:48 | cait | YoungPublicLibrarian: still around? |
| 18:48 | mtompset | Hash::MoreUtils, Carp::Assert, Data::UUID, Time::Duration::Parse |
| 18:49 | cait | mtompset, jcamins: I think you scare people away :) |
| 18:49 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Current problem: I am trying to create a report that will return results showing all of one particular libraries patrons who have fines with a total over a certain amount. I need the report to show each fine as well as the sum of the patron's fines. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 18:49 | mtompset | Sorry, cait. Sorry, YoungPublicLibrarian. :) |
| 18:49 | YoungPublicLibrarian | No worries |
| 18:50 | jcamins | YoungPublicLibrarian: I have good news and bad news. The good news: you have a very good question. The bad news: I don't have an easy answer. |
| 18:50 | cait | hmm |
| 18:50 | tcohen | jcamins, leaving now, thanks for your advise |
| 18:50 | cait | I have done something similar for one of our libraries |
| 18:50 | give me a second to see if I can access the report | |
| 18:50 | mtompset | Bye, tcohen |
| 18:50 | tcohen | (happy librarians @ UNC) |
| 18:50 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 18:51 | YoungPublicLibrarian | I have a report already created, but for some reason it only shows some of each patron's fines, instead of all of the fines. I've been tryign to figure out why this would be, but have come to no conclusions yet... |
| 18:52 | cait | http://paste.koha-community.org/166 |
| 18:52 | that#s my report - maybe you can modify it | |
| 18:52 | you could change the amount for example | |
| 18:53 | wajasu | jcamins: 8743 sha1 information is lacking or useless (C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm) |
| 18:53 | jcamins | bug 8743 |
| 18:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8743 critical, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , ZOOM error when merging authority change to biblios |
| 18:53 | jcamins | Oy. |
| 18:53 | Lemme rebase. | |
| 18:53 | wajasu | ok |
| 18:53 | jcamins | wtf did I do to my repo, though? |
| 18:54 | wajasu: but wait, were you able to reproduce the bug? | |
| 18:54 | Rebased. | |
| 18:54 | YoungPublicLibrarian | cait: the problem with that report is that it gives each accounts total instead of the total and each fine for the accounts. I'm working on modifying the report to fit my needs, unfortunately my knowledge of SQL is pretty basic... |
| 18:55 | cait | hm not sure I get what you want to do |
| 18:55 | jcamins | YoungPublicLibrarian: I'm not sure it's possible to do what you want, unfortunately. |
| 18:55 | wizzyrea | YoungPublicLibrarian: that sounds like two different reports |
| 18:55 | cait | I agree with wizzyrea |
| 18:55 | I think | |
| 18:55 | jcamins | That's how I did a similar thing. |
| 18:55 | cait | if I understand it correctly :) |
| 18:56 | wizzyrea | you want to show each patron's outstanding fines, and the total fine for each patron |
| 18:56 | jcamins | You might be able to do a subquery, but it wouldn't be nice. |
| 18:56 | wajasu | i looked for the error you mentioned. nothing in UI. i saw "[warn] Missing attribute 'type' in attribute info" on stdout when i ran rebuild-zebra though. i also checked my biblio and the linked authority field had not changed. |
| 18:56 | wizzyrea | you can do both of those things, but not in the same report (at least not as I'm currently conceiving of it) |
| 18:56 | jcamins | wajasu: in that case you can't test the patch. It appears only for a very limited number of people. |
| 18:56 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Okay. I can understand that. Then what I would like is a report that shows each patron's fines when the patron is from a particular library. Let me post the report I'm using |
| 18:56 | jcamins | wajasu: and it's pretty spectacular when it shows up. |
| 18:57 | wajasu | it a UI error? |
| 18:58 | jcamins | wajasu: you get a 500, an error in the log, and in certain circumstances your authority data is screwed up. |
| 18:58 | It happens 100% of the time or 0% of the time on any given installation, and I can't see any commonalities. | |
| 18:58 | wajasu | my biblio data wasn't updated. i guess thats not enough. |
| 18:59 | pastebot | "YoungPublicLibrarian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Fines and Fees by Branchcode" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/167 |
| 18:59 | jcamins | No, it's a much more dramatic error. |
| 18:59 | :/ | |
| 18:59 | wajasu | ok. i'll drop that one. |
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| 18:59 | cait | mbalmer: am Donnerstag |
| 19:00 | YoungPublicLibrarian | That's the report I'm using now. But like I said, it only shows maybe 3 out of 5 individual fines for a patron, instead of all 5 fines and I can't figure out why... |
| 19:00 | mbalmer | cait, leckerli essen.. ? ;) |
| 19:00 | cait | möglich |
| 19:01 | mbalmer | haha.... |
| 19:01 | wahanui | haha is there already a branch for 3.6? |
| 19:01 | cait | YoungPublicLibrarian: hm. |
| 19:01 | mbalmer | moeglich. das will ich dann mal sehen... |
| 19:01 | cait | I see that I worked with subqueries in sums in my report, but I am not sure why right now :) |
| 19:02 | do you want to have a sum, or repeated lines for each fine? | |
| 19:03 | YoungPublicLibrarian | I'm putting the results into an Access database to format into a letter I can send to the patron about their fines. So I want each fine they have to print out on a seperate line. |
| 19:03 | cait | hm |
| 19:03 | I think there could be several reasons | |
| 19:03 | deleted record | |
| 19:03 | YoungPublicLibrarian | In the report however, I would like to be able to limit the results to only patrons who have a total of fines over a certain amount. If possible... |
| 19:03 | cait | deleted item |
| 19:04 | or something else... right now I am not sue | |
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| 19:04 | cait | you are pulling a lot of information together in that report |
| 19:04 | * mtompset | waves, "Okay, bye, #koha." |
| 19:05 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Yeah, which is probably why its giving me problems... |
| 19:05 | cait | I think to try and get to the error |
| 19:05 | i would go back and simplyfy it | |
| 19:06 | like try to get the acounts bit right with the borrowernumber and other information | |
| 19:06 | and then go step by step | |
| 19:06 | form there | |
| 19:09 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Hm...I'm not actually sure what you mean. Like I said my knowledge of SQL, and programming in general, is pretty limited...If it wasn't for the reports library I wouldn't even have gotten this far... |
| 19:09 | jcamins | YoungPublicLibrarian: you'll be an expert before long. :) |
| 19:10 | YoungPublicLibrarian | lol, yeah I've learned more about SQL and programing since we adopted Koha than I ever did in my college course I took on the subject! |
| 19:10 | cait | :) |
| 19:10 | when you have use for the knowledge, that happens | |
| 19:10 | :) | |
| 19:14 | well.. I like stuff like that, might not be the same for everyone | |
| 19:14 | the problem with helping you is that I don#t have a test base with good data I can access from here | |
| 19:14 | and without checking what I do it's quite hard | |
| 19:17 | tcohen | jcamins: bug 8209, searches in 4xx fields? |
| 19:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities |
| 19:18 | jcamins | tcohen: yes. |
| 19:18 | So does bug 7417. | |
| 19:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches |
| 19:18 | jcamins | Both have passed QA. |
| 19:19 | tcohen | i've just marked bug 5705 as duplicate of 8209 |
| 19:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5705 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, search 4XX fields in authorities and link to 1XX |
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| 19:22 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Sorry guys...I stepped away from the computer and someone closed my screen... |
| 19:23 | cait | oh |
| 19:23 | I said that it's hard for me to help because I have no access to proper test data from home | |
| 19:23 | so can't test | |
| 19:24 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Ah, I see. I can understand that. And its hard for me to test because the libraries in our consortium don't have the permissions to write, edit, and test reports... |
| 19:29 | Okay, well I'm heading to lunch now. But I will be back later today to ask some more specific questions about the report and what each part of it mean | |
| 19:30 | cait | enjoy your lunch |
| 19:31 | rangi | Morning |
| 19:31 | And why not let them write reports? | |
| 19:32 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Consortium politics...only the "real" IT personnel get permissions to write reports...which is a pain! |
| 19:32 | mbalmer | haha |
| 19:32 | YoungPublicLibrarian | ok...I'm gone. Back soon! Thanks everyone! |
| 19:33 | cait | good morning rangi ) |
| 19:38 | rangi | Politics .... Is there anything they can't ruin? |
| 19:39 | gmcharlt | or a legitimate fear of 5-way Cartesian joins? |
| 19:39 | jcamins | lol |
| 19:40 | rangi | They'll only do that once |
| 19:40 | libsysguy | mmm cross products are the best gmcharlt |
| 19:41 | *disclaimer* best =~ best way to halt your database | |
| 19:41 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 19:42 | rangi | I bet we could run explain first |
| 19:42 | libsysguy | I read an interesting article yesterday http://kev.inburke.com/kevin/r[…]e-has-two-tables/ |
| 19:42 | gmcharlt | rangi: that would be better than nothing, though couldn't be definitive |
| 19:43 | rangi | And say this is going to try to return millions of rows |
| 19:43 | Yep | |
| 19:43 | Personally in my experience I trust IT ppl less than librarians | |
| 19:44 | I'd reverse the permissions :-) | |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | hah |
| 19:48 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 19:48 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on September 11, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:49 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 19:49 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.7°C (9:45 PM CEST on September 10, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:49 | rangi | I see no clouds but it is crisp |
| 19:49 | cait | today was nice - sunny and warm |
| 19:49 | seems the weather here has finally forgiven robin for leaving | |
| 19:50 | rangi | Hehe |
| 19:50 | rambutan | It's interesting to watch the QGIS people going through the same process, setting up tests, that Koha is at the same time. Strange correspondence |
| 19:50 | rangi | He's in den haag now |
| 19:50 | cait | ah |
| 19:50 | I was wondering | |
| 19:50 | jcamins | rambutan: I like QGIS. |
| 19:50 | My computer does not. | |
| 19:50 | cait | so on vacation now? |
| 19:51 | rambutan | So jcamins, why does your computer not like QGIS? |
| 19:52 | jcamins | rambutan: I think something to do with the amount of data contained in a map of Saint Petersburg. |
| 19:52 | rangi | Semi vacation |
| 19:52 | jcamins | It goes urrrrrrrrkkkkkkk and the cursor starts jumping. |
| 19:52 | :) | |
| 19:53 | rambutan | ah. ic. yea, that's a problem. |
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| 19:56 | cait | jcamins: tell me to continue testing :) |
| 19:56 | jcamins | cait: continue testing. |
| 19:56 | You're close to done on bug 8523. | |
| 19:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8523 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority hierarchies only support UNIMARC |
| 19:56 | cait | you have to work on your serious face |
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| 20:02 | rangi | Bbiab |
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| 20:10 | kathryn | morning all :) |
| 20:12 | cait | morning kathryn |
| 20:12 | kathryn | hiya cait! |
| 20:14 | cait | :) |
| 20:21 | rangi | back |
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| 20:42 | rangi | oh bug squash day on friday |
| 20:46 | cait | yep |
| 20:46 | and I have a long train ride on friday in a nice train with power supply | |
| 20:46 | rangi | excellent |
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| 20:51 | rambutan | cait: are you going to the QGIS conference in Kassel? http://qgis.org/en/user-meetin[…]assel-092012.html |
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| 21:14 | bag | oh nice bug squashing day coming :) |
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| 22:04 | wajasu | i can't believe i finally got bug 8215 tested |
| 22:04 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add Course Reserves |
| 22:04 | bag | nice wajasu |
| 22:05 | wajasu | khall: congrats!!! |
| 22:05 | @later tell khall Congrats!!! on 8215 | |
| 22:05 | huginn | wajasu: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:07 | wajasu | bag: let me know if you have any specific bugs you really need tested and i'll try to work it. |
| 22:07 | bag | ah I'm currently helping melia try and test some bugs from the needs_signoff |
| 22:08 | so nothing at the moment :) | |
| 22:08 | wajasu | ok. |
| 22:08 | * wajasu | on break |
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| 22:19 | jcamins_away | OCLC's numbering scheme has once again proven to be too short-sighted. |
| 22:20 | rangi | run out of digits? |
| 22:20 | jcamins_away | Yup. |
| 22:20 | Again. | |
| 22:20 | rangi | eggs |
| 22:20 | jcamins_away | After, what, two years? |
| 22:20 | wajasu | 13 not enough |
| 22:20 | jcamins_away | wajasu: 9. |
| 22:20 | 9 wasn't enough. | |
| 22:20 | wajasu | we should use ipv6 addresses |
| 22:21 | jcamins | Now they finally realized that they can't keep on zero-padding their numbers. |
| 22:21 | rangi | heh |
| 22:23 | * jcamins | is now entirely vindicated in his argument that GRS-1 needs to be gone in a year. |
| 22:24 | jcamins | Matching on OCLC numbers will break again. |
| 22:25 | rangi | right |
| 22:36 | heh | |
| 22:36 | wajasu | wow! that was quick. got mine already. |
| 22:37 | jcamins | lol |
| 22:39 | rangi | now you can waste some money on a .kiwi.nz domain |
| 22:39 | jcamins | .kiwi.nz? |
| 22:39 | Someone's selling subdomains and making money? | |
| 22:39 | rangi | no thats a 2ld |
| 22:40 | just came into being | |
| 22:40 | http://dnc.org.nz/ | |
| 22:40 | check the drop down, those are the domains you can get in .nz | |
| 22:41 | * jcamins | scratches his head. |
| 22:41 | jcamins | Why? |
| 22:41 | I don't expect you to know the answer, of course. | |
| 22:41 | Just... why? | |
| 22:41 | Doesn't .nz pretty much communicate "kiwi"? :P | |
| 22:41 | ibeardslee | yeah .. the cynic in me agrees with that |
| 22:42 | it's pretty much going .nz.nz | |
| 22:42 | rangi | yep |
| 22:42 | its money | |
| 22:42 | why do businesses do anything :) | |
| 22:42 | * jcamins | suggests banana.kiwi.nz as a good domain name. |
| 22:42 | jcamins | Then you can name your servers after fruits. |
| 22:42 | ibeardslee | chocolate.kiwi.nz |
| 22:42 | jcamins | strawberry.banana.kiwi.nz. |
| 22:42 | rangi | heh |
| 22:43 | jcamins | It's for a New Zealand-themed smoothie company. :) |
| 22:57 | rangi | melia++ #sign offs |
| 22:57 | melia | aaww thanks :) bag helped me |
| 22:58 | bag | ;) |
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| 22:59 | jcamins | rangi: do I recall that Catalyst was going to be doing some work on call slip functionality? |
| 23:00 | Let me rephrase that. | |
| 23:01 | Do I remember *correctly* that Catalyst is going to be doing some work on call slips? | |
| 23:01 | rangi | i dont think so |
| 23:01 | at least i don't recall | |
| 23:01 | jcamins | Oh well. |
| 23:01 | You should. :) | |
| 23:03 | rangi | hehe |
| 23:03 | idreambooks | hi guys...idreambooks guy here. i submitted a bug report as you guys suggested: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8733 |
| 23:03 | huginn | 04Bug 8733: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Adding critic reviews to book pages |
| 23:03 | rangi | yep saw that thanks |
| 23:04 | idreambooks | we have a way to retrieve the readometer based on ISBN numbers now! |
| 23:04 | rangi | excellent |
| 23:04 | idreambooks | i was thinking we could dedicate resources for this implementation but would need help from you guys |
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| 23:06 | idreambooks | how long would it take for the changes to get approved after the patch has been sent? |
| 23:07 | rangi | there is no set time |
| 23:07 | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]-get-into-master/ | |
| 23:08 | hmm i bet i can do something with that api right now | |
| 23:08 | 2 secs | |
| 23:09 | idreambooks | "The average is 32.6686." is this days...33 days |
| 23:09 | rangi | yep |
| 23:09 | but averages are misleading | |
| 23:09 | median is the important number | |
| 23:09 | idreambooks | ah |
| 23:10 | rangi | does it work with 10 digit isbn, or just 13 ones? |
| 23:10 | jcamins | Also, something to keep in mind: that includes bugs and enhancements that may be used by only one library in the world, and therefore very hard to check. |
| 23:10 | And you have two factors in your favor: | |
| 23:10 | 1) idreambooks.com is very shiny, and shiny things are always a favorite for testing | |
| 23:11 | 2) many of the people who do testing will test patches by new developers before testing other patches | |
| 23:14 | idreambooks | it is 13 ones i think... |
| 23:14 | rangi | cool |
| 23:14 | idreambooks | u need 10 ones too? |
| 23:14 | bag | alright all - catch you later tonight - dinner date is calling |
| 23:14 | rangi | naw, we can convert them |
| 23:14 | idreambooks | jcamins: graeat! good to hear |
| 23:15 | one thing i wanted to ask you guys....http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]sers/NorthAmerica | |
| 23:15 | according to that there are 40 odd libararies that have websites that use koha | |
| 23:15 | once the patch is pushed to master, do these library systems get updated too? | |
| 23:19 | rangi | when they decide to upgrade yes |
| 23:19 | idreambooks | oh i c....any idea how often they upgdare typically? |
| 23:21 | rangi | nope no idea at all (40 odd is way less than actuality, there are at least 600 in the US alone) |
| 23:23 | idreambooks | oh really...i went off the number in wikipedia that had web based systems. do all these 600 have web based systems? |
| 23:23 | rangi | koha is web based |
| 23:23 | you cant really run it any other way | |
| 23:24 | do you mean that have public facing sites? | |
| 23:24 | idreambooks | yeah...thats what i meant |
| 23:24 | 'cos some of the ones listed dont have websites i can see | |
| 23:25 | also some library catalogues are not up to date :| | |
| 23:25 | jcamins | idreambooks: yes, libraries can update as frequently or infrequently as they want. |
| 23:26 | And there's no way of knowing how many libraries make their Koha OPAC public. | |
| 23:28 | Hundreds in the US, certainly. | |
| 23:29 | melia: do you know off the top of your head how many hundred libraries ByWater supports in the US? | |
| 23:30 | idreambooks: suffice it to say, it's a large number. Well upward of 100 libraries in the US. Probably in excess of 200. I don't know if it's closer to 200, 300, or 400 though. | |
| 23:30 | melia | hhhmm. I'd say about 125 different libraries, but some of those are consortiums that have 40+ libraries each... |
| 23:31 | idreambooks | jcamins: ic...over a 100 libraries are public facing....probably more than 200 |
| 23:31 | jcamins | idreambooks: right. |
| 23:32 | idreambooks | the "Amazon Reviews" section seem to be blank in most public facing libraries. not sure if it is because amazon is not sending reviews back or a bug |
| 23:33 | jcamins | idreambooks: Amazon provides reviews for a very small percentage of books. |
| 23:34 | idreambooks: I just counted the number of libraries in one consortium that I happen to know is using Koha. They have 78. | |
| 23:34 | idreambooks | jcamins: cool. you guys are massive. are you the largest in the world or something? |
| 23:35 | jcamins | Not me. |
| 23:35 | I don't work for ByWater. | |
| 23:35 | melia does. | |
| 23:35 | Only one of the collecions I work with has a public catalog. | |
| 23:35 | rangi | hmm you do understand Koha is an open source project eh? So a big community of developers and libraries and companies |
| 23:35 | idreambooks | oh i meant koha being the larget ILS |
| 23:35 | rangi | no |
| 23:36 | far from it | |
| 23:36 | but its growing all the time | |
| 23:37 | ibeardslee | it is the most awesome though |
| 23:37 | idreambooks | yup...koha is open source maintained by core contributors like yourselves. i figured you guys were all volunteers (that like to contribute) or work for a library system... |
| 23:39 | jcamins | idreambooks: we don't really have a "core contributor" concept quite the same as, say, the Linux kernel does. |
| 23:40 | melia | sorry, I'm only half listening. there are several hundred libraries in the US using Koha, some of which are supported by ByWater (a support company). there are many other libraries throughout the world using Koha, some of which use different support companies. the Koha community is made up of a bunch of developers who might work for one of the many different support companies, or might just volunteer to work on Koha out of the goodness |
| 23:40 | their generous hearts. | |
| 23:41 | jcamins | There is an elected release team, but other than that developers come and go as they find the need to fix bugs/add features/kill time/whatever. |
| 23:42 | (so once your patch adding support for the idreambooks.com API to Koha, you'll be a Koha developer too:) | |
| 23:42 | idreambooks | ah ic...yeah i am just curious how it all works :) |
| 23:43 | that's awesome! | |
| 23:43 | jcamins | Incidentally, libwebcats (http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]webcats/index.pl) says there are more than 24k libraries in the US, and it is by no means comprehensive. |
| 23:44 | idreambooks | wow...that's a lot of libraries. they all probably have electronic records too |
| 23:45 | jcamins | That's all sorts of libraries, of course. Not just public libraries. |
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| 23:50 | idreambooks | i am somewhat technical (i can code but not a pro). another member of our team is super technical and im trying to get him to show koha some love |
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