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| 03:40 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 03:47 | wajasu | yo |
| 03:56 | mtompset | Greetings, wajasu. |
| 05:00 | wajasu | ok got bug 8447 signed sealed and ... |
| 05:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8447 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , can't save new records / indicator error |
| 05:08 | wajasu | @later tell jcamins 8447 worked, and signed off. its got the original fields, plus the line field(9) and the extra ones. i attached a PNG, nice work. |
| 05:08 | huginn | wajasu: The operation succeeded. |
| 05:37 | wajasu | @later tell rangi - 8447 got fixed with jacamins and i suspect 8552 to be a dupe, so I'll leave it to you to decide. |
| 05:37 | huginn | wajasu: The operation succeeded. |
| 05:39 | mtompset | HA! As I suspected. None of the INSTALL.{OS} files mention koha-common! |
| 05:39 | wajasu | i know. i thought it was just for testers. |
| 05:40 | but i've seeen folks encourage its use beyond testing. | |
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| 05:45 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 05:45 | wajasu | hi |
| 05:47 | cait: i had just signed off bug 8447 and i suspect that bug 8552 is a dupe. maybe you can confirm my suspicion. | |
| 05:47 | cait | hi wajasu |
| 05:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8447 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , can't save new records / indicator error |
| 05:47 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8552 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , BiblioAddsAuthorities set to Allow causes Software Error on Z3950 import | |
| 05:47 | cait | hm I am not sure wajasu |
| 05:48 | I haven't looked into them | |
| 05:48 | wajasu | ok. |
| 05:48 | cait | and it seems one is for bibligraphic and one is for authorities? |
| 05:48 | the code might be similar for both | |
| 05:48 | ah no | |
| 05:48 | sorry | |
| 05:48 | both for bibliogrpahic | |
| 05:49 | mtompset | Greetings, cait. |
| 05:49 | cait | wajasu: I just got up |
| 05:49 | wajasu | jacamins an i fixed the Default Linker which messed up the biblio for subject headings (use case i had was 630). i think 100 and others had the same behavior in 8552, since they were using AutoAddauthorities too. |
| 05:51 | cait | hm |
| 05:51 | I think melia noted it as duplicate too in comment 11 | |
| 05:51 | I would mark the bug report that has no patches as the duplicate maybe | |
| 05:53 | wajasu | ok. added comments and leaving for others. I'm done for today. |
| 05:54 | cait | sorry for being confusing - I need some time in the mornings :) |
| 05:58 | mtompset | Don't we all, cait? |
| 06:13 | bag | wajasu: I really think that is a dup |
| 06:16 | mtompset | Well edit'ing and testing of INSTALL/Wiki instruction to resume later. |
| 06:16 | Bye. | |
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| 08:41 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. 2.5 hours outside without a fan is not my idea of fun. Oh well. |
| 08:41 | @wunder MNL | |
| 08:41 | huginn | mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 31.0°C (4:00 PM PHT on September 08, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:41 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:41 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.2°C (10:40 AM CEST on September 08, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:42 | cait | half of the temperature here |
| 08:42 | mtompset | Rehydrating now. |
| 08:42 | Back to documentation. | |
| 08:43 | cait | back to it law... |
| 08:44 | mtompset | Bah. It's call covered in Exodus 20. ;) No need for any other laws. Do we really need more than the 10 commandments? ;) |
| 08:44 | cait | I tihnk so |
| 08:45 | mtompset | Sadly, you're right. :( |
| 08:45 | cait | but I agree the 10 commandments are not a bad start |
| 08:46 | mtompset | Considering that the intent of them is so easily broken, sometimes I wonder if we'll ever master the basics. |
| 09:16 | rangi | finally tracked down the problem |
| 09:16 | cait | which problem? |
| 09:16 | evening rangi | |
| 09:16 | rangi | the 8 failing tests |
| 09:17 | and its a real one too | |
| 09:17 | you cant modify anyhing with it | |
| 09:17 | bug 8089 | |
| 09:17 | cait | with? |
| 09:17 | wahanui | with is what I think I meant |
| 09:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Use Koha::Cache everywhere |
| 09:17 | cait | hm? |
| 09:17 | rangi | so you cant modify borrowers |
| 09:17 | cait | can you explain? |
| 09:17 | oh wow | |
| 09:17 | that's a big big bug | |
| 09:17 | rangi | or anything |
| 09:17 | wahanui | anything is possible with enough development work :) |
| 09:17 | rangi | in master |
| 09:17 | since that was pushed | |
| 09:18 | http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Build/testReport/ | |
| 09:18 | cait | how did it happen? the caching effecting the editing? |
| 09:18 | rangi | tests prove how useful they are |
| 09:18 | no | |
| 09:18 | the cache bit is fine | |
| 09:18 | its a bit jared changed to make it cache that is wrong | |
| 09:18 | cait | ah, so something else is in the patch? |
| 09:18 | oh | |
| 09:19 | jared will be devastated | |
| 09:19 | rangi | im not sure how it ever got pushed |
| 09:19 | tests must just simply not have been run | |
| 09:19 | cait | or the usual... the tests must be wrong |
| 09:19 | rangi | nope the tests are very very very rarely wrong |
| 09:20 | cait | don't tell me :) |
| 09:21 | rangi | + $result = $cache->get_from_cache("sqlhelper:GetPrimaryKeys:$tablename"); |
| 09:21 | that is ok | |
| 09:21 | this | |
| 09:21 | $result = grep { $hash_columns->{$_}->{'Key'} =~/PRI/i} keys %$hash_columns; | |
| 09:21 | is not | |
| 09:21 | that should be @result | |
| 09:22 | return grep { $hash_columns->{$_}->{'Key'} =~/PRI/i} keys %$hash_columns; | |
| 09:22 | that was the original line | |
| 09:22 | returns an array | |
| 09:22 | but now its a scalar | |
| 09:23 | ill attach a patch | |
| 09:23 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #164 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 09:24 | cait | rangi++ |
| 09:24 | rangi | i missed it in my first test |
| 09:24 | since i only tested an add | |
| 09:25 | cait | happens often |
| 09:26 | rangi | yep, but i must have not run the tests, or this would have happened, and neither did kyle, or marcel, or paul |
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| 09:26 | rangi | that has to stop |
| 09:28 | cait | yeah |
| 09:28 | that is the really worrysome bit about it :( | |
| 09:28 | when qa doesn#t test | |
| 09:28 | they at least should run the tests | |
| 09:28 | rangi | but at least jenkins caught it |
| 09:28 | so our backstop caught it | |
| 09:29 | cait | yeah |
| 09:29 | but jenkins sould be a happy bot that never gets bothered | |
| 09:29 | rangi | yep |
| 09:30 | @later tell paul_p bug 8089 breaks most of Koha (cant modify anything that uses SQLHelper) there is a patch attached that fixes it | |
| 09:30 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:35 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ment.cgi?id=12077 |
| 09:35 | simple fix for a massive error | |
| 09:35 | cait | some things have big consequences |
| 09:35 | rangi | changing an array to a scalar by accident sure can |
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| 09:50 | rangi | hmm bug 8408 is not going in 3.8.x |
| 09:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8408 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Odd OPAC message when OPAC Renewals are disabled and OPACFineNoRenewals is set to blank |
| 10:02 | rangi | hi matts |
| 10:02 | matts | hi ! |
| 10:21 | mtompset | kia ora, rangi |
| 10:21 | Greetings, matts | |
| 10:24 | And what if the bot was so happy it misses it? | |
| 10:26 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #164: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/164/ |
| 10:26 | * jcamins: Bug 8204 follow-up: don't display OpacNav on auth details | |
| 10:26 | * jcamins: Bug 8678: XSLT stylesheets output XML, but HTML is needed | |
| 10:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8204 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Authority viewer in OPAC ugly, unfriendly, and mostly useless |
| 10:26 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8678 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , XSLT stylesheets output XML, but HTML is needed | |
| 10:28 | mtompset | Why didn't they just make the message something like "You have outstanding fines, contact a librarian."? |
| 10:28 | rangi | that again is not right |
| 10:29 | the reason they are blocked from renewals is not they have outstanding fines | |
| 10:29 | its that the have outstanding charges, over a certain threshold | |
| 10:30 | which can be set in system preferences, so changing it to jsut say you have outstanding is a change in behaviour, it used to say you owed more than the threshold | |
| 10:30 | mtompset | Ah. |
| 10:31 | But if that was the message for the $0.00 case, wouldn't that be okay? | |
| 10:31 | rangi | yep |
| 10:31 | mtompset | It's like patching a plural with (s), because you are too lazy to check the 0/1/>1 cases. ;) |
| 10:32 | rangi | :) |
| 10:34 | mtompset | Oh... I was thinking about documentation. |
| 10:34 | rangi | !jenkins build Koha_3.8.x now |
| 10:34 | jenkins_koha | rangi: job Koha_3.8.x build scheduled now |
| 10:34 | Starting build #165 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #163 2 days 1 hr ago) | |
| 10:34 | mtompset | Because obviously it is important. :) |
| 10:35 | The INSTALL.{OS} file is only going to be read in the case of a tarball or git install, right? | |
| 10:35 | If it is a package install, they won't have that file. | |
| 10:35 | rangi | yep, but it should start with, are you sure you should be doing this, just install the packages |
| 10:35 | thats right cos you dont need it | |
| 10:36 | * rangi | goes to bed |
| 10:36 | mtompset | I'm working on trying to synchronize the Wiki and INSTALL.{OS} with that in mind. |
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| 11:36 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 11:36 | Project Koha_3.8.x build #165: FIXED in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/165/ | |
| 12:49 | mtj | mtompset, you also get bonus points for moving the web-install steps, into a new general doc |
| 12:50 | mtompset | I'm 25% of the way through a restructure of the INSTALL.OS and Wiki pages. |
| 12:50 | mtj | after all, the web-install steps are identical for all Koha install methods, on every OS |
| 12:50 | mtompset | Quite tur. |
| 12:50 | true. | |
| 12:50 | I've gotten several: You should be using packages. | |
| 12:51 | into the docs now. | |
| 12:51 | Because I want point 2.7.2 to be the same point in the Wiki and INSTALL.OS file. | |
| 12:51 | mtj | yep, now you're getting the hang of it... :) |
| 12:52 | mtompset | I will however, provide a mapping between the "standard" "site" and "dev" installs. |
| 12:52 | something that is currently lacking. | |
| 12:54 | And frankly, I am annoyed by the Appendix A answers for the install process. | |
| 12:54 | They should be in the same section! | |
| 12:55 | "If you are still persisting to do a tarball install, this file is the only support you are likely to get in the future: " | |
| 12:56 | mtj | sorry, i dont know want yr refering to |
| 12:56 | the install process, or a doc describing the install process | |
| 12:58 | so, whats your restructure plan? | |
| 12:59 | i have a restructure plan for the install docs too :) | |
| 13:00 | …so we might be duplicating a whole lot of work, between us | |
| 13:09 | mtompset | There might be some tweaks to be made in reordering on http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu |
| 13:09 | But actually, if you have an order in mind, I wouldn't mind hearing it, so we can co-ordinate that. | |
| 13:10 | I personally like my subtle hint "aptitude search koha-common" | |
| 13:10 | while checking to see if aptitude is installed. ;) | |
| 13:12 | mtj | its all pretty simple obvious advice really.... |
| 13:13 | 1/ remove references to obselete versions of stuff | |
| 13:14 | 2/ put the the install steps that are generally relevant, in a single document | |
| 13:15 | (and, remove duplicated info too) | |
| 13:17 | 3/ keep the documentation concise and correct and simple | |
| 13:18 | 4/ keep the language simple, so its easy to machine-translate - and for non-english people to understand | |
| 13:18 | 5/ dont add unnecessary information | |
| 13:19 | 6/ dont add incorrect information | |
| 13:19 | . | |
| 13:20 | thats prolly about it… :) | |
| 13:21 | 7/ keep the documentation unders source-control, appoint a doc-manager/QA-team... | |
| 13:21 | the last ones v. important | |
| 13:22 | mtompset | 7) hasn't happened yet. |
| 13:22 | mtj | 8/ remove all the old, incorrect, outdated install pages from the wiki |
| 13:22 | mtompset | But I agree. |
| 13:22 | I'll get around to that too. | |
| 13:22 | I'm at 30% now. Need to keep going. | |
| 13:25 | mtj | 9/ and probably autobuild some wikipages from the install docs, after a commit happens |
| 13:26 | so, there might be install pages on the wiki, (but they will be compiled and read-only) | |
| 13:27 | thats the best way forward, as i see it... | |
| 13:29 | ok, off to bed now… :) | |
| 13:37 | mtompset | "If you are still persisting to do a tarball install, this file is the only support you are likely to get in the future" -- Is that too harsh? |
| 13:37 | mtj | yeah, too harsh :p |
| 13:38 | mtompset | But come on... packages have been around since 3.4 |
| 13:38 | actually earlier, but 3.4 in production. | |
| 13:40 | mtj | specifc to an ubuntu install, then yeah… tarball is a no-no |
| 13:41 | sorry, i thought you meant, in general... | |
| 13:43 | ok, now *really* off to bed :) ciao | |
| 15:07 | mtompset | It's gotten rather quiet now. |
| 15:09 | * wajasu | door creaking |
| 15:16 | mtompset | wajasu: You're awake? |
| 15:16 | What timezone are you in? | |
| 15:17 | wajasu | i'm in Texas, it 10:15 am |
| 15:17 | where are you? Philipines? | |
| 15:17 | mtompset | I have a friend who is marrying a girl from Texas. -- Yes, I'm in the Philippines 11:17PM |
| 15:18 | But I'm not crazy enough to expect you to know everyone in Texas. ;) | |
| 15:18 | wajasu | i was there August 2011, in Batangas province |
| 15:18 | mtompset | That's sort of close to where I am. |
| 15:18 | But I'm in Laguna. | |
| 15:19 | Magsalita sa Tagalog po ba kayo? ;) | |
| 15:20 | (That's ugly tagalog for do you speak in Tagalog) | |
| 15:20 | wajasu | i tried once, but it doesn't work well over irc. |
| 15:22 | most everyone know english. i went to the rock, and that vocano for fun. i learned a lot about your history. You have alot of people living in those islands. | |
| 15:25 | mtompset | I'm Canadian, but being called a Filipino is okay. They are so hospitable. :) |
| 15:25 | My wife is Filipino though. :) | |
| 15:25 | did you learn the parts of history that overlapped with US history? | |
| 15:26 | wajasu | yes. |
| 15:26 | mtompset | the part about how freedom from Spain because of a fight over Cuba? |
| 15:27 | wajasu | yes. the world is always fighting. it seems the Philipines has been in the middle of many wars and paid dearly. |
| 15:29 | mtompset | Yes, too much fighting and cross-fire, but the Filipino people are resilient because of it. :) |
| 15:29 | Also helped that McArthur kept his promise to return. :) | |
| 15:30 | wajasu | yes. that whole perspective McArthur was ausome. |
| 15:31 | mtompset | *whew* ... Editing documentation is such a slow process! |
| 15:32 | I'm almost 55% of the way done. | |
| 15:32 | It's like I've got a novel in the INSTALL file. | |
| 15:32 | wajasu | koha needs to get more user/dev/freindly. its sorely needed. |
| 15:33 | mtompset | Right now, I'm trying to clean up the documentation for Ubuntu. |
| 15:34 | I just finished editing through all the preliminary set up steps. | |
| 15:34 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu | |
| 15:35 | I'm at section 3 now. | |
| 15:35 | the manual build part. | |
| 15:41 | wajasu | i deployed my koha 3 years ago on archlinux. i think koha needs to package its dependencies in a perl local:lib in the future, because the distributions upgrade perl, but the koha code is not ready. |
| 15:42 | mtompset | perl local:lib? |
| 15:44 | wajasu | there is an external perl build/packaging tool called carton, which if we used it, we could gather all the parl dependencies, and make a perl lib directory separate from the host distributions version. |
| 15:45 | for external deps. | |
| 15:45 | and maybe we could use perlbrew. | |
| 15:47 | mtompset | But since archlinux (from what I have briefly read in the last 5 minute) is build what you want... why not just use the debian repos? |
| 15:48 | wajasu | archlinux has its own package manager called pacman (not rpm), and i wrote a script to build the packages from cpan which worked. |
| 15:49 | * mtompset | bows to the hard-core awesomeness of wajasu. ;) |
| 15:49 | mtompset | debian use .deb files, not .rpm's. |
| 15:50 | wajasu | but cpan depenedcies have more deps, etc. which gets big. so koha is really debian dependent on having packages available. |
| 15:50 | i see. | |
| 15:51 | mtompset | Actually... I was tinkering with a script for a yum-based install (CentOS) |
| 15:51 | The problem is I would have to pull things from CPAN. | |
| 15:52 | And that seems yucky. | |
| 15:52 | Unless I packaged them, and then installed from the packages I generated. | |
| 15:52 | wajasu | i have a nice bash script that runs using a debian preseed file and builds a koha VM(using libvirt/qemu and includes the koha-common packages, pulling from the k-c.org repo. |
| 15:53 | mtompset | I'm running Ubuntu, so no need for that. :) |
| 15:54 | wajasu | it was to distribution agnostic, and let folks run koha in a debian VM. so know i would deploy the koha appliance to archlinux, ubuntu, etc. |
| 15:55 | the problem with archlinux was it updated so frequently, its not what you want for a server, because if an update changes the perl version, your koha is broken. | |
| 15:56 | so thats why i experimented with perlbrew, perl local:lib and then went to a VM. | |
| 15:57 | mtompset | Changes the DEFAULT perl? |
| 15:59 | Well, it's nearing midnight. I need to get to bed, or I'll turn into a pumpkin. ;) | |
| 15:59 | wajasu | i was running koha on perl 5.12, and when it went to 5.14 in the OS, koha broke. i had changed the rewrie script to change to #!/usr/bin/env and things were fine |
| 15:59 | later | |
| 15:59 | * mtompset | waves. |
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| 16:36 | * cait | waves |
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| 23:41 | wajasu | i'm attempting to test bug 8211 and perform test as described in comment #1. i need a bilio/librarian to guide me in how to create an authority record with 551 links. |
| 23:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add "subject (broader)," "subject (narrower)," and "subject (related)" options for search |
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