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| 03:01 | wajasu | ok. reading up on everyones effort for bug 8607 and bug 8673 |
| 03:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8607 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , overdue_notices is broken |
| 03:01 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8673 was not found. | |
| 03:01 | wajasu | i mean 8378 |
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| 05:56 | mtj | sorry, very off-topic, but interesting -> http://www.cracked.com/article[…]man-behavior.html |
| 05:57 | … the bacon story is just bizzare?! O_o | |
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| 06:03 | mveron | Good morning #koha |
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| 06:10 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:14 | * cait | waves too |
| 06:15 | * magnuse | waves at cait |
| 06:22 | cait | :) |
| 06:25 | mtj | ooh marcgrep -> https://github.com/marktriggs/marcgrep |
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| 06:26 | * mveron | waves to everybody |
| 06:34 | * mhk | shall not lurk here. |
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| 06:37 | cait | hi matts |
| 06:37 | matts | hi ! |
| 06:37 | cait | hi mveron, mbalmer and all |
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| 06:42 | julian_m | hello |
| 06:42 | wahanui | hey, julian_m |
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| 06:48 | mtompset | Greetings, $koha. |
| 06:48 | #koha. | |
| 06:48 | Anyone here? :) | |
| 06:49 | pastebot | "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Warning messages in koha-zebradaemon-output.log" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/125 |
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| 06:49 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:53 | mtompset | Greetings, reiveune |
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| 07:00 | mtompset | AHA! |
| 07:00 | I triggered the error again. YAY! | |
| 07:00 | I think I'll ignore it. :) | |
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| 07:01 | gaetan_B | hello #koha |
| 07:01 | mtompset | Greetings, gaetan_B |
| 07:01 | gaetan_B | salutations mtompset ;) |
| 07:02 | * mtompset | feels loved. |
| 07:02 | mtompset | You remembered. :) |
| 07:08 | Comme ca va, gaetan_B? (sorry if my French is rusty. I don't practice what they taught in highschool.) | |
| 07:08 | Greetings, matts | |
| 07:13 | mbalmer | hi cait! |
| 07:13 | (and all of koha) | |
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| 07:14 | mtompset | mblamer? |
| 07:14 | Hmm... is the bot missing? or are you now undefined, mbalmer? | |
| 07:15 | gaetan_B | ça va bien mtompset ! but don't worry, i don't expect people to master french ;) |
| 07:15 | (i do a lot of mistakes myself!) | |
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| 07:17 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 07:18 | mtompset | Yes, but it is nice to use a person's language if you even know un petite peu. |
| 07:18 | People appreciate it. :) | |
| 07:18 | Greetings, drojf. | |
| 07:18 | drojf | hey mtompset |
| 07:18 | wahanui | i guess mtompset is currently in the Philippines and is coding up a bash script storm in the midst of seasonal typhoons. |
| 07:19 | mtompset | No... today I'm back at looking at Koha code. |
| 07:19 | wahanui: forget mtompset | |
| 07:19 | wahanui | mtompset: I forgot mtompset |
| 07:19 | mtj | anyone have any koha + (vufind or blacklight) stories? |
| 07:20 | mtompset | Sorry. I do not, mtj. |
| 07:22 | mtj | oooh, and Koha + DAISY? a worthy idea :) -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D[…]ital_Talking_Book |
| 07:22 | via a firefox plugin ? https://launchpad.net/daisyextension | |
| 07:23 | … FF plugin looks a little non-active recently tho… :( | |
| 07:24 | "Currently only works in Firefox 3.x and not in Firefox 4+. Further development is under consideration." | |
| 07:27 | magnuse | hehe |
| 07:27 | drojf | mtj: i'm not familiar with DAISY but maybe it's possible to enhance bug 8377 to support this? |
| 07:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8377 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Signed Off , Show HTML5 video/ audio for media files in OPAC and staff client |
| 07:28 | mtj | meh, afaict, no current FOSS software players for DAISY :( |
| 07:29 | drojf | http://code.google.com/p/mobil[…]isy-html5-player/ |
| 07:30 | mtompset | FOSS? |
| 07:30 | rangi | be better if it was ogg, not mp3, thats an issue for any FOSS player |
| 07:30 | mtompset | wahanui: FOSS is Free and Open-Source Software. |
| 07:30 | wahanui | OK, mtompset. |
| 07:31 | rangi | but afaict its just another thing to catalogue |
| 07:31 | mtompset | afaict? |
| 07:31 | * rangi | will continue to resist storing things in Koha .. there are tools for that already, storing metadata is fine |
| 07:31 | mtj | 'as far a i can tell' |
| 07:31 | mtompset | wahanui: afaict is As Far As I Can Tell. |
| 07:31 | wahanui | OK, mtompset. |
| 07:32 | mtompset | wahanui should know these, for people who don't. |
| 07:32 | wahanui | mtompset: wish i knew |
| 07:32 | mtj | woah DASIY uses mp3 ?! |
| 07:33 | drojf | that's what wikipdia said |
| 07:33 | rangi | yep |
| 07:34 | mtj | wow so it is - what a fail ?! |
| 07:36 | oh well, its fixable surely? | |
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| 07:37 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:37 | mtj | ie: update the spec to use ogg, send the ogg patch, etc… :) |
| 07:37 | rangi | its just a standard for audio material, im not sure how/why we would want to do anything more than catalogue DAISY items |
| 07:37 | mtj | drojf++ thanks , nice link :) i have found some other examples too |
| 07:38 | i think i mean 'DAISY has no FOSS players, for a browser' | |
| 07:39 | * rangi | is failing to see the link with Koha |
| 07:40 | mtj | Koha opacs with text-to-speech readers, for disabled people |
| 07:40 | rangi | surely thats a browser thing |
| 07:40 | not a koha thing | |
| 07:40 | i think making sure koha works well with screen readers is a better goal | |
| 07:41 | drojf | if you want to offer the contents directly from the opac it's a koha thing ;) |
| 07:41 | rangi | it'd still be a browser thing |
| 07:41 | mtj | well, text-to-speech has got nothing to do with koha, from a configuration perspective, but…. |
| 07:41 | rangi | mtj: daisy isnt for doing on the fly text to speech |
| 07:42 | things like JAWS do that | |
| 07:42 | mtj | yeah.... :) |
| 07:42 | rangi | making koha work well with that, would be far more useful, most visually impaired people will have a player already |
| 07:42 | lupin already did a lot of work on that | |
| 07:43 | the OPAC is pretty good, and as long as we keep labelling things with good labels, not stupid things like click here :) it will continue to be good | |
| 07:43 | but the staff client has issues | |
| 07:43 | mtj | ok ok, problem solved already :) |
| 07:44 | kf | hm not solved - ongoing effort I would say |
| 07:44 | rangi | afaik (ill check with julius (our accessibility expert) tomorrow) DAISY is dead |
| 07:45 | superceded by all the crappy drm ridden audiobook formats | |
| 07:45 | mtj | rangi++ thanks, awesome info |
| 07:47 | bah, JAWS is non-free | |
| 07:47 | -> http://www.freedomscientific.c[…]-product-page.asp | |
| 07:48 | rangi | yep, there are some free software readers, but they suck |
| 07:48 | mtj | rangi, is there better FOSS software. similar to DAISY ? |
| 07:49 | gotcha | |
| 07:49 | rangi | daisy is a file format, not a screen reader |
| 07:49 | totally diffferent things | |
| 07:49 | ill ask julius what the current least sucky one is | |
| 07:49 | kf | I think lupin worked on some too |
| 07:49 | rangi | it's handy having a blind colleague |
| 07:49 | kf | for linux |
| 07:52 | mtj | rangi, oops yeah, i'm getting DAISY mixed up as a webbrowser text-to-speech player, not a file spec :/ |
| 07:52 | they *are* totally different :p | |
| 07:53 | rangi | :) |
| 07:53 | mtj | SLAPPPPP |
| 07:53 | ok, next... | |
| 07:54 | rangi | nvda i think |
| 07:54 | is one ive heard of | |
| 07:54 | lots here | |
| 07:54 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]of_screen_readers | |
| 07:55 | mtj | theres a weird similar level of software fail in the text-speech market, as library market |
| 07:55 | rangi | yes |
| 07:56 | mtj | often project with best intentions… but software built on closed-source software stacks... |
| 07:56 | rangi | yup |
| 08:01 | mtj | like, the offical DAISY consortium player - built using windows MFC |
| 08:06 | rangi | http://weirdinwellington.com/p[…]090/tasman-street |
| 08:22 | magnuse | lol |
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| 08:29 | rangi | mtj: have you seen the new vodafone ad? |
| 08:30 | mtj | nope, 1 tic... |
| 08:30 | url even? | |
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| 08:31 | mtj | rangi, girl on swing and little doggy ? :) |
| 08:32 | rangi | mtj: https://www.youtube.com/watch?[…]XsI8&feature=plcp |
| 08:33 | mtj | my fav.. kimbra live with a sampler -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd7GLvMYSHI |
| 08:33 | rangi | i like the robot dolphin |
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| 08:35 | mtj | yay for computers! :) |
| 08:35 | rangi | hey eythian |
| 08:35 | wahanui | hmmm... eythian is in NZ. ;) or a good influence |
| 08:36 | eythian | hello |
| 08:38 | kf | hello eythian :) |
| 08:38 | rangi: the dolphin is great :) | |
| 08:40 | mtompset | Love the subtitle: "That dolphin swallowed a man!" |
| 08:42 | mtj | rangi, cheers, that was great :) |
| 08:56 | although, i found the use of the possum to sell a 'product' on television, exploitative and offensive :/ | |
| 08:56 | if it had been a dog, well…. there would have been a public outcry! | |
| 08:57 | rangi | thats cos dog cheese is gross |
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| 09:04 | * magnuse | wonders at the "ethnicity" field in the borrowers table, again |
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| 09:05 | kf | magnuse: yeah - it's hard to explain that - I had to for the privacy documents |
| 09:06 | not sure if we could delete it? I think you can't put something in there since 3.0 | |
| 09:06 | at least | |
| 09:07 | magnuse | you can probably give it a default value when you import borrowers? and set it in a spreadsheet that you import? |
| 09:07 | but i don't think it's displayed anywhere? | |
| 09:08 | kf | hm no, don't think it is |
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| 09:10 | mag | hi |
| 09:10 | kf | hi mag |
| 09:11 | mag | can anybody guide how to import opensource and other purchased resources like Springer and Taylor and francais in koha |
| 09:13 | kf | mag: it depends on the format you get the data in |
| 09:13 | mag: to import into koha you need marc21 records | |
| 09:13 | mag | fine, would it be only biblio data |
| 09:14 | or ebooks and journal articles | |
| 09:14 | kf | bibiographic data can describe anything |
| 09:14 | you can describe any media in marc21 - but koha is not a digital library | |
| 09:15 | currently it doesn't support uploading pdf for example - you normally have the links in your records and then that's how you access the information on another server | |
| 09:15 | mag | thats it |
| 09:15 | kf | mag: where are you from? |
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| 09:16 | mag | but if i want to get data on any subject with links on say springer |
| 09:16 | kf | wb eythian |
| 09:16 | magnuse | kia ora eythian |
| 09:16 | eythian | hi |
| 09:16 | waiting for the talk on MARC::MIR to start | |
| 09:16 | kf | ah :) |
| 09:16 | eythian | I hope it acknowledges that MARC is terrible :) |
| 09:16 | kf | it probably will |
| 09:16 | mag: sorry, Iam not sure what you want to do | |
| 09:17 | mag | i want to import biblio info on marc from other source |
| 09:19 | kf | if you have marc data from the vendors or sources you use the normal staged marc import |
| 09:19 | manual? | |
| 09:19 | wahanui | manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation |
| 09:19 | kf | you can find the information in the manual in the tools section - staged marc import |
| 09:20 | magnuse | eythian: how could it not? ;-) |
| 09:20 | eythian | magnuse: an excellent point |
| 09:22 | mag | i m trying to do it directly from internet |
| 09:23 | magnuse | eythian: this is a general perl conference, right? not a library specific thing? |
| 09:24 | eythian | yeah |
| 09:25 | drojf | mag: what kind of source? |
| 09:25 | is the koha wiki down? | |
| 09:26 | magnuse | eythian: and there is a talk on marc? wow! |
| 09:26 | eythian | yeah, ex biblibre person it turns out. |
| 09:26 | asaurat | Marc Chantreux ? =) |
| 09:27 | magnuse | and he is called MARC Chantreux, i think ;-) |
| 09:27 | kf | eiro |
| 09:27 | eythian | that's the one |
| 09:30 | mtompset | MARC ... nice play on words. |
| 09:30 | asaurat | hehe |
| 09:33 | rangi | drojf: looks like it |
| 09:33 | wahanui | looks like it is probably a replicate of /usr/share/koha/misc |
| 09:35 | eythian | OK, so far a lot about how marc is bad :) |
| 09:37 | and how marc::record, marc::moose etc are bad. I can agree so far :) | |
| 09:41 | mtj | hmm, why is marc::record bad? |
| 09:42 | eythian | It's just not very nice to use, although I think a lot of that is being close to MARC |
| 09:44 | mtj | ah yep, still … its at least improvable |
| 09:44 | eythian | hmm, this doesn't look too bad really. it has iterators, grep, map etc. |
| 09:44 | mtj | regexs even, too? |
| 09:45 | eythian | any_field { tag eq '010' and say value } $record |
| 09:45 | magnuse | there is a marc::moose? |
| 09:45 | eythian | apparently |
| 09:46 | I've never seen it | |
| 09:46 | magnuse | wow http://search.cpan.org/dist/marc-moose/ |
| 09:46 | eythian | oh, this makes a DSL to operate on MARC |
| 09:46 | magnuse | by none other then fredericd, even |
| 09:46 | mtj | is their a turbomarc 'converter' anywhere? |
| 09:47 | ie: a marc2turbomarc tool | |
| 09:47 | magnuse | dsl? |
| 09:47 | mbalmer | domain specific language |
| 09:47 | magnuse | ah, thanks mbalmer |
| 09:47 | eythian | with_fields { @$_ = grep {(tag) !~ /^9/} @$_ } $record; |
| 09:48 | mbalmer | http://www.vnode.ch/node/42 fwiw ;) |
| 09:48 | magnuse | DSL is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D[…]specific_language |
| 09:48 | kf | DSL? |
| 09:48 | wahanui | it has been said that DSL is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D[…]specific_language |
| 09:49 | eythian | also yaml to MARC conversion as part of the module, with names (e.g. 'author') for fields. |
| 09:49 | and translator plugins to make this work | |
| 09:50 | kf | hm isn't gmcharlt maintainer of marc::record |
| 09:50 | ? | |
| 09:50 | magnuse | kf: yup, think so |
| 09:54 | mtj | fredericd++ marc::moose == impressive! |
| 09:55 | mtompset | But it is copyright 2012, so MARC::Moose is very new, it would seem. |
| 09:55 | magnuse | i get a failing test when i try to cpan it |
| 09:57 | mtompset | Okay, I know we aren't suppose to have indentation wars, but have we a standard that is preferred? I hate reading code, and having to change the tab-sizes multiple times in the same function. |
| 09:59 | (i.e. one section is written with one size, and another part with another, and another with spaces) | |
| 10:01 | magnuse | coding guidelines? |
| 10:01 | wahanui | coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines |
| 10:02 | mtompset | Seems the wiki is down. |
| 10:03 | kf | mtompset: I rmember telling you it's 4 spaces |
| 10:03 | and that you are only supposed to reindent your new code and where you change code - to keep history ;) | |
| 10:03 | mtompset | kf, I blame my medications for my poor memory. :P |
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| 10:04 | eythian | it's 4 spaces, but there is Old Code in there |
| 10:05 | this marc::mir thing looks good | |
| 10:05 | kf | hm, does someone remember who hosts the wiki? |
| 10:06 | magnuse | kf: it's on the wiki ;-) |
| 10:06 | kf | yeah, that's the problem :) |
| 10:07 | rangi | equinox |
| 10:07 | magnuse | moahaha |
| 10:07 | kf | gmcharlt: ping? |
| 10:07 | rangi | unlike he is awake |
| 10:07 | kf | true |
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| 10:17 | eythian | Was briefly talking to a guy from the Berlin state library. He has the idea that Koha won't work with their size (12mil records) |
| 10:17 | drojf | why would it not? |
| 10:17 | eythian | I think he has the idea that it's for small libraries. |
| 10:18 | rangi | state libraries dont circulate much |
| 10:18 | it will work just fine | |
| 10:18 | drojf | i think that has been long ago |
| 10:18 | with the small ibraries | |
| 10:18 | eythian | yes, I said that. |
| 10:18 | We're going to be chatting over beers this evening. | |
| 10:18 | rangi | a 500k library that does circ would be much more demanding |
| 10:18 | drojf | rangi: i think they curculate a lot |
| 10:18 | eythian | along with the marc::mir guy |
| 10:19 | magnuse | i think the idea that koha is only suitable for small libraries is widespread |
| 10:19 | rangi | drojf: probably not like delhi public |
| 10:19 | magnuse | i think it's related to the "if it's free it can't be any good" idea |
| 10:19 | kf | eythian: do you remember who it was? I saw a familiar name on the list of attendees |
| 10:19 | drojf | rangi: no idea. we get quite some books from them for the non-koha project i work at |
| 10:19 | mtompset | What was that article link you posted a while back, rangi? |
| 10:19 | eythian | kf: I didn't get his name, though he knows you :) |
| 10:19 | mtompset | It addresses this. |
| 10:20 | rangi | number of records is meaningless |
| 10:20 | all you need for that is diskspace | |
| 10:20 | eythian | _I_ know that, he didn't :) |
| 10:20 | rangi | yep |
| 10:20 | kf | eythian: scary :) |
| 10:20 | rangi | its a widespread library thing |
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| 10:20 | kf | well, say hi from me then, just in case :) |
| 10:20 | * eythian | makes a note to add that to my presentation, actually |
| 10:20 | rangi | because proprietary vendors use numbers of biblios to rort libraries |
| 10:22 | maybe i should do that presentation at kohacon13 | |
| 10:22 | slef | rort? |
| 10:22 | rangi | lies proprietary vendors will tell you |
| 10:22 | * slef | runs patches2bugs |
| 10:23 | rangi | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rort |
| 10:23 | eythian | slef: don't run that, run patches2fixes |
| 10:23 | kf | I think they do a lot of ILL |
| 10:23 | and circ in house | |
| 10:23 | mtompset | Ah... sounds like FUD, rangi. ;) |
| 10:24 | rangi | mtompset: its not really fud, its lies about their own stuff |
| 10:24 | slef | Nameserver not responding :-/ Who broke wp.dg.cx? |
| 10:25 | "The term is also used as a verb to mean the act of defrauding, as in "He rorted the system". " | |
| 10:25 | live+learn | |
| 10:25 | mtompset | Ah... okay. They aren't using FUD to get people to buy theirs. They are rorting people about the lack of awesomeness of their own product. |
| 10:25 | drojf | rort'n'roll |
| 10:27 | rangi | mtompset: they use artificial metrics to charge more, oh you have 2 million records, it will cost more |
| 10:27 | this perpetuates the myth that numbers of biblio records is a useful thing to measure | |
| 10:28 | mtompset | it is only useful for determining disk space and RAM you need. :) |
| 10:28 | slef | I prefer user accesses and circulation activity, but no-one seems to have that ready :-/ |
| 10:28 | rangi | yep |
| 10:28 | thats a useful metric | |
| 10:29 | slef | let's be generous and hope they have rules of thumb for biblios:activity |
| 10:29 | bbl | |
| 10:30 | mtompset | for a minute there, I thought the wiki was back... not quite. |
| 10:31 | kf | yeah circ stats are hard to get by |
| 10:32 | and you still have to find some kind of metric for non circulating libraries | |
| 10:33 | mtompset | non-circulating libraries? |
| 10:33 | kf | libraries that don't borrow books? |
| 10:34 | slef | mtompset: research and archive collections, mainly |
| 10:34 | mtompset | http://library.columbia.edu/co[…]ncirculating.html seems to be a good explanation for that. |
| 10:34 | slef | the most entertaining ones I've met are company libraries where no books leave the building - they just change location between offices |
| 10:35 | mtompset | slef: that's not really an organized library, but I know exactly what you mean. |
| 10:35 | slef | mtompset: I think their librarians would object to that ;) |
| 10:36 | mtompset | well, considering the companies that I experienced that in didn't have a librarian, no one would object. ;) |
| 10:36 | slef | They've "branches" in each building and then some get located in staff offices if the librarians think it would be helpful for a case that they are working on. |
| 10:37 | at least at one firm I remember | |
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| 11:21 | kf | gmcharlt: ping? |
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| 12:00 | clrh | koha-community wiki is down ? |
| 12:04 | kf | clrh: yes |
| 12:04 | clrh: I think equinox is hosting it | |
| 12:05 | clrh | snif |
| 12:08 | kf | hm maybe we shoudl mail gmcharlt? |
| 12:09 | jcamins_away | kf: there hasn't been any activity on the EG channel yet, so I think Equinox hasn't opened for business today yet. |
| 12:09 | kf | ah |
| 12:09 | thx jcamins_away | |
| 12:09 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha. |
| 12:09 | kf | and good morning :) |
| 12:14 | magnuse | kia ora jcamins |
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| 12:40 | kf | wb eythian |
| 12:40 | eythian | hiya |
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| 12:57 | wajasu | kf: i guess the overdue_notice has a lot more things wrong with it. i'll work on it some more (triggerring). |
| 12:58 | kf | wajasu: did you see my second comment? |
| 12:58 | my test case got a bit confused with midnight :) | |
| 12:59 | the triggering seems alright in master | |
| 12:59 | the problem is after your patch the listing does not work - only one item appears | |
| 12:59 | and the fine still not :( | |
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| 13:07 | wajasu | puzzling. but i'll try it with your use case. i had actually seen multiple itmes handled, so i never got into that code. |
| 13:07 | kf | wajasu: my items were on the same record - maybe that's another edge case to look into |
| 13:07 | * kf | gets out a net to catch eythian next time he arrives |
| 13:10 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 13:11 | wajasu | yeah, another path in the code. i know there are lots of rules. i i'll find the other path. |
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| 13:15 | jcamins | tcohen: good morning. You were missed over the weekend. |
| 13:15 | tcohen | hi jcamins |
| 13:15 | koyauni | hi |
| 13:15 | tcohen | what was going on this weekend? |
| 13:15 | jcamins | We had a Spanish speaker in need of some help. |
| 13:16 | tcohen | oh |
| 13:16 | koyauni | do you know what is wrong with http://debian.koha-community.org/ |
| 13:16 | it does not resolve | |
| 13:16 | jcamins | He used Google translate to translate what he wanted to say into English, and I used Google translate to translate what I wanted to say into Spanish. |
| 13:16 | It's probably on the same server the wiki is on. | |
| 13:16 | tcohen | next time mail me, i will get it in my phone |
| 13:16 | jcamins | We managed to get things working, but it probably would've taken you all of five minutes. ;) |
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| 13:18 | tcohen | hehehe |
| 13:19 | koyauni | I am new to koha what will the best pack to install, I have a dedicated server running Debian 6+ , but I have many domains on this server, I want koha to run under one of my subdomain, |
| 13:19 | jcamins | It reminded me why I need to learn Spanish. :) |
| 13:19 | koyauni: you should use packages. At the moment the wiki is down, but there are instructions on the wiki you should follow. | |
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| 13:23 | koyauni | will be any config to point koha to a subdoamin in a package installation? |
| 13:23 | jcamins | koyauni: yes, you can do that. |
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| 13:27 | koyauni | what is the nam of the package please |
| 13:27 | jcamins | koha-common |
| 13:27 | wahanui | somebody said koha-common was the one you want, the main koha one needs a bit more work (its for setting up a single instance) |
| 13:31 | koyauni | ok, thanks, I guess I have to wait for wiki to come up, I think it is better to use google CODE and Group for your documenation so you skip server issues like this |
| 13:32 | jcamins | koyauni: other than the fact that if you use Google code you're relying on Google. |
| 13:32 | And are limited to the small subset of functionality that they think you should be allowed. | |
| 13:35 | wiki's back. | |
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| 13:35 | * tcohen | has become a Koha translator this weekend |
| 13:35 | jcamins | gmcharlt: berick got the wiki restarted. |
| 13:36 | koyauni | cool thanks! |
| 13:36 | jcamins | packages? |
| 13:36 | wahanui | somebody said packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 13:36 | jcamins | ^^ follow those instructions. |
| 13:37 | koyauni | so I use stable version then |
| 13:37 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 13:40 | koyauni | do I need to do this first |
| 13:40 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]tep:_Install_Koha | |
| 13:40 | or that is only for development | |
| 13:40 | jcamins | No, you need to follow the instructions. |
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| 13:40 | jcamins | Are you setting up a development environment? |
| 13:41 | gmcharlt | the wiki VM ran out of memory at 07:00 EDT today -- we'll keep an eye on it |
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| 13:41 | jcamins | gmcharlt: thanks. |
| 13:42 | kf | yay :) |
| 13:42 | gmcharlt: thx :) | |
| 13:42 | equinox++ :) | |
| 13:44 | koyauni | I add this file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list and add this line deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main to it please? |
| 13:44 | jcamins | Is that what it says in the instructions? |
| 13:44 | koyauni | it says, To get the stable 3.8 release, add this to a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list file: |
| 13:44 | jcamins | There you go. |
| 13:44 | kf | ooh news about the search rewrite on the mailng list |
| 13:45 | and cool news too | |
| 13:46 | jcamins | koyauni: You should work your way through the instructions, and ask questions only if you run into problems. Since you have decided not to pay for support, you're going to be on your own. |
| 13:46 | drojf | sponsors++ |
| 13:47 | koyauni | :) thank you, there is reason no seek pay support, we are in Iraq with no banking system, |
| 13:47 | and it is hard to get old men to pay attention to new tech | |
| 13:47 | but man have to do what have to do | |
| 13:51 | wajasu | i was trying to apply a patch. anyone ever see this => fatal: cannot convert from UTF-8utf-8 to UTF-8 |
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| 13:52 | koyauni | when I run this wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add - |
| 13:52 | it says sudo: command not found | |
| 13:54 | I think your wiki, should say, if you miss sudo, run apt-get install sudo | |
| 13:54 | jcamins | wajasu: I have. If you manually delete the second encoding line it will work. |
| 13:54 | koyauni: you'll need to install sudo. | |
| 13:54 | koyauni: if you're new to Linux, I have a list of readings at http://www.cpbibliography.com/[…]koha-learn-linux/ | |
| 13:54 | You could edit it. | |
| 13:55 | However, the wiki assumes (quite reasonably) that you know how to use Linux. | |
| 13:56 | gmcharlt | chris_n: by the by, where is your mariadb branch nowadays? |
| 13:56 | kf | wajasu: yes, look at the patch file, there is a doubled up encoding declaration |
| 13:56 | wajasu: remove one of those and the patch will apply | |
| 13:56 | well... if there is no other conflict :) | |
| 14:02 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 14:02 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 28.4°C (4:00 PM CEST on August 21, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 14:02 | jcamins | @wunder 11375 |
| 14:02 | huginn | jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 21.7°C (9:32 AM EDT on August 21, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 14:02 | druthb | @wunder 66046 |
| 14:02 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 20.0°C (9:02 AM CDT on August 21, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). |
| 14:02 | talljoy | @wunder 76109 |
| 14:02 | huginn | talljoy: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Benbrook TX US, Fort Worth, Texas is 20.6°C (8:24 AM CDT on August 21, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising). |
| 14:03 | talljoy | druthb: we have similar weather....although we have some of this wet stuff floating around |
| 14:03 | koyauni | when this run : wget -o- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add - |
| 14:03 | druthb | none o' that here. |
| 14:04 | koyauni | it says no vaild gpg.asc pack found |
| 14:04 | jcamins | You need a capital O. |
| 14:06 | (wget -O-) | |
| 14:10 | kf | oh, a one eyed smiley |
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| 14:11 | koyauni | thanks that did it , and loads of commands are running now |
| 14:11 | druthb | kf: O-) |
| 14:12 | magnuse | a cyclop! |
| 14:12 | * kf | hides |
| 14:12 | druthb | Hi, magnus! :) |
| 14:12 | O-) | |
| 14:12 | jcamins | koyauni: excellent! |
| 14:12 | magnuse | hiya druthb |
| 14:17 | talljoy | i want a cyclops. lol |
| 14:17 | -O) | |
| 14:17 | no that wasn't it. | |
| 14:17 | kf | -O |
| 14:18 | talljoy | -O |
| 14:18 | druthb | O-) |
| 14:18 | talljoy | lol |
| 14:18 | kf | O-) |
| 14:18 | talljoy | 0-) |
| 14:18 | o-) | |
| 14:18 | kf | O - ) |
| 14:18 | talljoy | phew |
| 14:18 | druthb | I wonder.... |
| 14:18 | O-( | |
| 14:19 | Nope. Can't give someone the Cyclops Evil Eye. | |
| 14:19 | jcamins | druthb: a street sign on a hill? :) |
| 14:20 | libsysguy | here is a cyclops poked in the eye *-( |
| 14:20 | maybe this one {0-) | |
| 14:21 | talljoy | keep tyring |
| 14:21 | s/tyring/trying/ | |
| 14:21 | altho you are tiring me out already today | |
| 14:22 | * druthb | wields trout, and waves it menacingly at libsysguy. |
| 14:22 | * libsysguy | puts on his crash helmet D) |
| 14:22 | talljoy | lol |
| 14:23 | koyauni | I am using a subdomain as http://library.koyauniversity.org for users and http://libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org for admins, how do I put this in /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf |
| 14:23 | asaurat | >-( |
| 14:23 | magnuse | Ø-) |
| 14:23 | libsysguy | |-( |
| 14:24 | talljoy | }-/ |
| 14:24 | druthb | :-/ |
| 14:24 | O:-) | |
| 14:24 | asaurat | haha i like the |-( |
| 14:24 | the disappointed cyclop | |
| 14:24 | libsysguy | hehe |
| 14:25 | here is a better helmet (|:-) | |
| 14:25 | gmcharlt | =|-) |
| 14:25 | druthb | I liked D) better. looked like a full-face with a visor. |
| 14:25 | gmcharlt | (cyclops wearing a hat that's too large) |
| 14:26 | jcamins | koyauni: INTRASUFFIX=admin |
| 14:29 | koyauni | should it be sufix or prefix of the main domain |
| 14:30 | jcamins | What do you mean? |
| 14:30 | INTRASUFFIX=admin | |
| 14:30 | INTRAPREFIX="" | |
| 14:30 | koyauni | I use libraryadmin should I write libraryadmin |
| 14:30 | jcamins | OPACSUFFIX="" |
| 14:30 | OPACPREFIX="" | |
| 14:30 | No, juset set INTRASUFFIX=admin | |
| 14:30 | koyauni | ok |
| 14:30 | jcamins | And you set the domain to koyauniversity.org. |
| 14:31 | koyauni | with the dot before .koyauniversity.org |
| 14:32 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 14:33 | If you weren't using packages, you would have to edit the Apache configuration files manually. | |
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| 14:35 | koyauni | so this is working now, how does it know that it is the domain library.koyauniversity.org is access point for the application |
| 14:36 | jcamins | When you do the koha-create command, it configures Apache with the subdomains we've discussed. |
| 14:40 | koyauni | I use a dedicated server with mysql already on it, |
| 14:40 | so I do not need to run this sudo apt-get install mysql-server | |
| 14:40 | am I right? | |
| 14:40 | jcamins | Right. |
| 14:40 | Provided you are certain that the MySQL server is on it. | |
| 14:43 | koyauni | yes, I run many websites and all of them using my sql DB, |
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| 14:44 | koyauni | where does this koha put the DB? can I create that in my plesk panel for auto backup purposes |
| 14:45 | jcamins | No, as we discussed, you need to let koha-create take care of the database. |
| 14:45 | It will be called koha_library. | |
| 14:45 | Are you the same person who used the koyauni nick before? | |
| 14:46 | * jcamins | just realized that you might be someone else, in which case I'll find the logs of my conversation with your predecessor for you. |
| 14:48 | koyauni | yes, I did, we installed this but the server was messed up and we lost all data in re installation so I am doing this for second time, |
| 14:49 | jcamins | Okay. Since you're not real familiar with Linux, you'll need to follow the instructions, and then set up Plesk to backup the database. |
| 14:51 | koyauni | I created but the http://library.koyauniversity.org/ does not work :( |
| 14:52 | jcamins | Did you set up DNS? |
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| 14:53 | koyauni | sorry I was logged out, and lost the conversation, |
| 14:53 | jcamins | koyauni: if you want to take a look at the previous times we've gone through this process, you can see the logs at the following locations: |
| 14:53 | http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]2-08-08#i_1046896 | |
| 14:54 | http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]2-08-09#i_1047381 | |
| 14:54 | Before you refreshed, I asked if you had set up DNS. | |
| 14:56 | koyauni | yes I did, I have that here |
| 14:56 | http://kl1p.com/koyauni | |
| 14:56 | hope it is correct | |
| 14:56 | jcamins | That's not DNS. |
| 14:56 | That's correct, but it has nothing to do with DNS. That's koha-sites.conf. | |
| 14:57 | DNS is something your network administrator has to configure, so everyone knows what server hosts library.koyauniversity.org. | |
| 14:57 | I think we encountered this problem the second time we walked you through this as well, so you might want to check the logs. | |
| 14:58 | koyauni | ohh, that is fine since the site is working, you can access the domain now |
| 14:58 | but I do not see koha | |
| 14:58 | jcamins | Did you look at the logs I linked you to? |
| 15:02 | koyauni | the access to the domain is solved now, we havecorrect DNS now, so all koyauniversity.org , library.koyauniversity.org and libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org are working |
| 15:02 | jcamins | Are you sure? |
| 15:02 | koyauni | see what command returns when I run create |
| 15:02 | http://kl1p.com/koyauni | |
| 15:03 | jcamins | That all looks fine. |
| 15:03 | koyauni | do I need to zebra thing as well |
| 15:03 | jcamins | It started Zebra. |
| 15:04 | koyauni | ok, does DNS need to do more that opening the site at http://library.koyauniversity.org/ |
| 15:05 | reiveune1 | bye |
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| 15:05 | jcamins | You need to make sure that the DNS entry for library.koyauniversity.org is pointing to the correct server. |
| 15:06 | Just call up your sysadmin and tell him/her that you need it, and in a few hours it'll be working. :) | |
| 15:06 | (there's a delay when setting up DNS) | |
| 15:09 | wajasu | kf: i think i have you test case set up (2 items) 1 day delay and 2 daya delay for overdue notice trigger. circ rule charge interval 1 day. w/ fine 1.50. how did you force the overdue fine? by editing the db table date_due for the items to be relative to your current day? and running fines.pl? |
| 15:10 | kf | by running fines.pl |
| 15:11 | editing db tables is dangerous - easy to miss something that happens in RL | |
| 15:11 | koyauni | yes it does, as our sites are live |
| 15:11 | kf | wajasu: you know that you can check out with a duedate in the past? |
| 15:11 | wajasu | no i didn't |
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| 15:11 | kf | makes testing such things a lot easier :) |
| 15:12 | jcamins | koyauni: please humor me and check that the DNS for library.koyauniversity.org is pointing to the exact same server that you just installed Koha on. |
| 15:12 | kf | wajasu: use the date field and it will ask you for confirmation, but checks out fine and you have items immediately overdue |
| 15:12 | jcamins | I get a Parallels page when I go to library.koyauniversity.org, which suggests that it is not. |
| 15:13 | oleonard | Hi all |
| 15:13 | wajasu | i'll do that. i also noticed, paul p added bug 7447, but i tried to use it, but i can't get --date=2012-08-21 to work. so i'll use your method. |
| 15:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7447 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , Allow to specify a date in overdue_notice.pl |
| 15:14 | koyauni | if it would not point to the same dedicated server would it still open the websites we have? |
| 15:15 | * oleonard | tips his hat to huginn and slips him a shilling for the message delivery |
| 15:15 | kf | wajasu: I am suspecting it doesn<#t work together with notice triggers :( |
| 15:15 | wajasu: I couldn't get the date option working with -t yesterday | |
| 15:15 | oleonard: hope he had good news :) | |
| 15:15 | jcamins | koyauni: I don't know how you have your servers and DNS set up. |
| 15:16 | All I know is that I am getting a Parallels page. | |
| 15:17 | I suspect the problem is you have a problem with your Plesk configuration. | |
| 15:17 | Since you have to pay for Plesk, probably you could call their tech support and ask them what needs to be configured to add a new subdomain. | |
| 15:17 | wajasu | if a patron has $10.00 in fines, although i checked in the books, forgiving the fines, when i sign in as the patron, my items are checkd in, but i see the fines. do i have to run fine.spl to reconcile? is that how it works? |
| 15:17 | jcamins | At this point the problem is not with Koha. It's with the server configuration outside of Koha. |
| 15:18 | At least, that's my analysis. | |
| 15:18 | koyauni | I have already created my subdomain and I access to it |
| 15:18 | library.koyauniversity.org is in working order | |
| 15:19 | but it does not show Koha | |
| 15:19 | I have full control on my dedicated server | |
| 15:19 | and Plesk is part of the server | |
| 15:20 | jcamins | You can take a look at the Apache virtual host configuration file, /etc/apache2/sites-available/library |
| 15:20 | koyauni | so the subdomain resolves well, |
| 15:20 | ok | |
| 15:20 | jcamins | It could be you had a typo in the koha-sites.conf, in which case you could adjust the ServerName to match what you want. |
| 15:20 | koyauni | I think we need some shortcuts to be created |
| 15:21 | jcamins | You can configure your server however you would like. |
| 15:21 | koyauni | I fixed the typo but reinstalling whole server that is why we lost data and started all over again |
| 15:22 | jcamins | Then don't reinstall everything. |
| 15:22 | I don't see why you would want to. | |
| 15:22 | koyauni | the library file is in /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 15:22 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 15:23 | * oleonard | cheers all those who are doing signoffs and QA'ing |
| 15:23 | jcamins | If ServerName is wrong in either place, you can adjust it to whatever you want it to be. |
| 15:23 | oleonard | Poor paul_p is going to have a big backlog of work when he comes back! |
| 15:23 | koyauni | see what is says http://kl1p.com/koyauni |
| 15:24 | jcamins | There is nothing wrong with that. Your problem is with something other than Koha. |
| 15:25 | koyauni | I think we need to create shortcuts to koha in vhosts |
| 15:26 | jcamins | That may be. I don't know anything about Plesk. |
| 15:31 | koyauni | please look at POINT #4 here https://github.com/fredericd/K[…]er/INSTALL.debian |
| 15:32 | jcamins | The packages already took care of that for you. |
| 15:32 | If you followed the instructions. | |
| 15:32 | If you look in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled, you will see the same library file. | |
| 15:34 | koyauni | no there is no library in there |
| 15:34 | /etc/apache2/sites-enabled there is no library but bunch of shortcut files, | |
| 15:35 | jcamins | Okay, I suspect Plesk had some way to prevent the packages from modifying the Apache configuration. |
| 15:36 | koyauni | can I redo that step see if will make any difference |
| 15:36 | jcamins | If that's true, you'll need to do the following: |
| 15:37 | Nah, better to just do the following: | |
| 15:37 | Run: sudo a2enmod rewrite | |
| 15:37 | Then run: sudo apache2ctl restart | |
| 15:38 | Then run: sudo koha-enable library | |
| 15:39 | koyauni | please see http://kl1p.com/koyauni |
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| 15:43 | jcamins | And does it work now? |
| 15:43 | koyauni: why are you following different instructions? | |
| 15:44 | Believe it or not, I actually know how to use the system. There's a reason I told you to follow the instructions I pointed you at. | |
| 15:44 | koyauni | no just found it, now I did those command you asked me |
| 15:44 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 15:45 | Did you get any error messages? | |
| 15:46 | koyauni | I see a library short cut in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 15:46 | no just went through | |
| 15:46 | rootkoyauniversity ~ # sudo apache2ctl restart rootkoyauniversity ~ # sudo koha-enable library Restarting web server: apache2 ... waiting . |
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| 15:46 | jcamins | Okay, that all looks good. |
| 15:47 | If you still have a problem, it's definitely something to do with Plesk, I think. | |
| 15:47 | koyauni | shall I restart the server and see that will help |
| 15:48 | oleonard | tcohen: Are you working on handling multiple book cover images gracefully? |
| 15:48 | koyauni | I go get my child from nurery and be back in 2 hrs |
| 15:48 | if you come up with anything please add it to http://kl1p.com/koyauni I will read it when I get back | |
| 15:50 | tcohen | oleonard, i'm currently working on making calendar work on our setup |
| 15:50 | jcamins | koyauni: it's unlikely restarting the server will help. However, I don't know anything about Plesk. |
| 15:50 | oleonard | tcohen: Was that something you had said you were going to work on, or did I misremember who was working on that? |
| 15:50 | koyauni | I place a note on plesk forum see what will happen |
| 15:51 | tcohen | you are right |
| 15:51 | i said I was willing to work on that | |
| 15:52 | oleonard | tcohen: When you start on it I'm interested to hear what your plan is |
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| 15:52 | tcohen | ok, i'll let you know |
| 15:52 | (that was my plan anyway :-P) | |
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| 15:56 | * oleonard | feels that the current system is too clunky to allow enabling of both Amazon (for instance) and local images |
| 15:58 | wajasu | kf: i applied 8519 koha-index-daemon, 8607 date not replaced, 8378 <fine> syntax not working, and after setting up your use case, and ran fines.pl with calculate and charge in sysprefs, i got two overdue notices, one for each item overdue in the past two days, when i ran ./misc/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl -n -t |
| 15:58 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 16:01 | wajasu | kf: With templates filled in and one item in each notice: |
| 16:01 | Notice1 1 day overdue: | |
| 16:01 | "The Tolkien collector" by , 828/.91209, Barcode: 888 Fine: £1.50 | |
| 16:01 | Notice2 2 days overdue: | |
| 16:01 | "The Call of the wild " by , , Barcode: 999 Fine: £3.00 | |
| 16:01 | kf: do i need to run using email? | |
| 16:02 | kf | why did you apply the patch for the koha-index? |
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| 16:02 | kf | wajasu: what I did was running with -t and checking the contents of the message_queue table |
| 16:03 | it didn't work for me with EUR and GBP | |
| 16:03 | wajasu | i created a fresh empty db. did webinstaller. so when i add bibs and items via z3950, the indexer fineds them quickly and didn't need rebuild_zebra.pl. |
| 16:03 | kf | it shouldn't matter here |
| 16:03 | but normally I woudl use master - so you can besure it all works | |
| 16:04 | I think | |
| 16:04 | wonder where the differenc eis | |
| 16:04 | for me it should have been 2 items in the second notice | |
| 16:04 | does this work for you? if you have more than one item overdue? | |
| 16:04 | wajasu | i didn't configure a default currency. |
| 16:04 | kf | on the same date? |
| 16:05 | wajasu | i agree. |
| 16:05 | when i originally tested it, i had two items due on the same date, and multiple showed in the notice. | |
| 16:06 | kf | it didn't work for me. |
| 16:06 | wajasu | but the logic must not consolidate across days. |
| 16:06 | kf | I am not sure where the difference is, but I reran the tests after I found out that it was past midnight |
| 16:06 | so I did it twice and it never worked :( | |
| 16:07 | I can check the logs tonight, maybe they will show something | |
| 16:07 | did overdues output warnings for you? | |
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| 16:07 | kf | I had a pattern match warning |
| 16:08 | wajasu | my patch took care of all those warnings. undefined, etc. unless you follwed a different code path. |
| 16:09 | kf | I started from current master |
| 16:09 | applied the date patch, then yours | |
| 16:09 | not much room to go wrong | |
| 16:10 | wajasu | i also am doing a standard install. make install... after applying the patch, the overdue_notice.pl calls changes i made int Letters.pm, so as long as PERL5LIB is correct. |
| 16:10 | kf | I am working with a dev installation |
| 16:10 | it wouldn't work at all if the path was not correct | |
| 16:10 | wajasu | true |
| 16:11 | kf | no idea right now - will think about it and run some mor tests |
| 16:11 | wajasu | ok. grabbing lunch. |
| 16:12 | kf | I am leaving for today - bbl from home |
| 16:12 | wajasu | ok. no problem. |
| 16:12 | kf | test installation for this is htere too :) |
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| 16:26 | oleonard | What are some reasons why an item wouldn't appear on opac-detail.pl? The item in question is not lost |
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| 16:48 | oleonard | Answer: OpacHiddenItems |
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| 17:31 | libsysguy | I think i want to start writing perl modules |
| 17:32 | so I can make the user give me perfect input and deal with imperfect output | |
| 17:35 | oleonard | Is that what perl modules do? |
| 17:37 | jcamins | lol |
| 17:37 | oleonard: that's so diplomatic of you. :) | |
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| 17:41 | cait | hi all :) |
| 17:42 | druthb | Hi, cait. :) |
| 17:43 | cait | hi druthb :) |
| 17:48 | wajasu | jcamins: it was suggested somehwhere to add [format] headers = "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=\"utf-8\"" to avaoid mangling non-ACII chars in commit messages. It seems my environment(git version or locale settings) puts that in already, so to avoid having double Content-Tpye lins in my SIGNOF patches, I'm just removing the [format] section from my .gitconfig |
| 17:49 | jcamins | wajasu: when you remove the [format] section it fixes it? |
| 17:49 | wajasu | yes. thats what causes the duplicat Content-Type. |
| 17:50 | i tested with and without while soing a simple format-patch | |
| 17:50 | jcamins | Awesome! |
| 17:51 | wajasu | it might be or might have been useful for folks with an older git version. i din't test on my debian squeeze VM. let me see. |
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| 17:56 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 17:58 | How is the minimum version required number determined? | |
| 17:59 | jcamins | mtompset: the developer looks to see what version they have, and enters that. |
| 17:59 | Often. | |
| 17:59 | mtompset | Ah. |
| 17:59 | I decided to re-look at Ubuntu 8.04 for laughs. | |
| 18:00 | 3.6 and 3.8 fail mostly because of Modern::Perl requirement. | |
| 18:00 | However, even 3.4 had 31 dependencies that were missing or needed upgrading. | |
| 18:01 | As does 3.2 | |
| 18:07 | If I install something from external repo X, and then the default repos come along with a newer version of that something, will it upgrade from the default repos? | |
| 18:08 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 18:09 | mtompset | It would seem then that I need to take my linux skills up a notch and learn packaging. |
| 18:10 | jcamins | It's easy. |
| 18:10 | See the reading list on the wiki. | |
| 18:10 | That's what I used to learn how to package everything and its kid brother. | |
| 18:17 | libsysguy | anybody around here have any ajax experience? |
| 18:18 | * oleonard | has a little |
| 18:19 | libsysguy | I am working with the calendar. I have perl returning a well formed JSON string and giving it to this function http://pastebin.com/JE36mcfB |
| 18:19 | I am using this function http://arshaw.com/fullcalendar[…]events_json_feed/ | |
| 18:19 | but I get no data and the object shows up as empty in js | |
| 18:20 | put the dump in perl shows it as good | |
| 18:20 | my mind is boggled | |
| 18:20 | and I think the interwebz are stealing my data | |
| 18:20 | oleonard | FullCalendar is a new js dependency? |
| 18:20 | libsysguy | yes |
| 18:20 | err will be | |
| 18:20 | if my patch gets passed | |
| 18:22 | oleonard | libsysguy: Firebug shows nothing coming back from getClosures.pl? |
| 18:23 | wajasu | libsysguy: you might try using wireshark to listen between client/server hosts and see if you can find your json being transported to the browser. |
| 18:23 | unless firebug suffices. | |
| 18:23 | libsysguy | let me check oleonard wajasu |
| 18:24 | * mtompset | waves, "I'm off." |
| 18:24 | mtompset | Bye. |
| 18:24 | libsysguy | oleonard: it is getting what it should |
| 18:25 | or at least that is what chrome is saying | |
| 18:25 | so maybe I am missing something with fullcalendar | |
| 18:25 | i didn't think I had to run the render again | |
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| 18:36 | jcamins | fredericd++ |
| 18:38 | oleonard | Gah, why is bash tab-completion in my VM so /slow!/ |
| 18:38 | wahanui | Hmm. No matches for that, oleonard. |
| 18:40 | oleonard | 12 seconds to tab-complete the name of a file in the current directory. My VM simply under-powered? |
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| 18:45 | JoeLib001 | Hello. :-) |
| 18:45 | Is the koha 3.8.4 release postponed? | |
| 18:45 | jcamins | oleonard: I can't use tab complete with git. |
| 18:45 | JoeLib001: nope, still expected out tomorrow. | |
| 18:46 | As is 3.6.8. | |
| 18:46 | JoeLib001 | Ah, ok. 22nd. |
| 18:46 | For some reason I was thinking the 21st. hehe. :-) | |
| 18:47 | wajasu | oleonard: are you searching over a mounted directory? |
| 18:47 | oleonard | No |
| 18:48 | jcamins | oleonard: to finish that thought, tab complete with git takes so long that I always just kill it. |
| 18:48 | oleonard | jcamins: Oh, so it's in combination with git that it slows down? |
| 18:49 | jcamins | oleonard: yeah. If you use ls for your tab completion, then change it to git whatever, it's fast. |
| 18:49 | * oleonard | did not understand what you just said |
| 18:49 | jcamins | oleonard: like so. |
| 18:51 | Type: ls koha-{tab}int{tab}-{tab}pr{tab}{tab}mo{tab}acq{tab}whatever{tab}^a^d^dgit add | |
| 18:53 | oleonard | What is ^a^d^d ? |
| 18:53 | jcamins | Ctrl-a Ctrl-d Ctrl-d. |
| 18:53 | You can replace Ctrl-d with delete. | |
| 18:54 | Laptops don't have delete keys, and regular keyboards are too large to reach them. | |
| 18:54 | oleonard | I get it |
| 18:56 | wajasu | i have /etc/bash_completion.d/git on my archlinux and its fast. Also, you can refer to some advanced stuff that may relate to your distribution. https://wiki.archlinux.org/ind[…]n#Auto-completion |
| 18:58 | oleonard | Looking at Bug 8624 and wondering why we include so many icons which aren't used |
| 18:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8624 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , famfamfam should be outside theme directory |
| 18:58 | jcamins | oleonard: I have absolutely no idea. |
| 18:58 | I think it's the entire distribution. | |
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| 19:01 | wajasu | jcamins: i'm wondering if i should atempt to add tests to t/Overdues.t while I'm familiar with the code. |
| 19:01 | jcamins | wajasu: YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:02 | oleonard | wajasu: jcamins sounds ambivalent. Maybe ask someone else. |
| 19:03 | cait | lol |
| 19:03 | I agree wholeheartedly with jcamins | |
| 19:04 | wajasu | ok. thats my new pet project. can i try to employ template toolkit to generate what notices should match to? then it would be dual purpose. maybe if/when its overhauled, we can cut down on lines of code with TT. (right now its a 28000 byte perl script) |
| 19:04 | jcamins | That is to say, pip pip, sounds like a jolly fine idea. |
| 19:04 | Makes sense to me. | |
| 19:05 | oleonard | We include 1,156 famfamfam icons in the OPAC ?!! |
| 19:06 | cait | huh? |
| 19:06 | oleonard | /opac-tmpl/prog/famfamfam |
| 19:06 | cait | please don't delete the little keyboard - because i use that :) |
| 19:06 | oleonard | cait: In custom CSS? |
| 19:06 | cait | https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/ |
| 19:06 | top left corner | |
| 19:07 | and there is a howto on the wiki! | |
| 19:07 | gmcharlt | oleonard: nothing like covering *all* of the bases |
| 19:07 | jcamins | Don't delete the magnifying glass either. |
| 19:08 | oleonard | Alright, everyone vote for their favorites! |
| 19:08 | gmcharlt | individually! |
| 19:08 | wajasu | do we have any pages that currently do a master detail view with TT. for an example? say opac_details.pl? |
| 19:08 | jcamins | Bulldozer! |
| 19:09 | cait | tree? |
| 19:09 | oleonard: are they big altogether? | |
| 19:09 | I mean would probably not hurt having them and include the official ones into a sprite? | |
| 19:10 | oleonard | 4.5MB |
| 19:10 | cait | hmm |
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| 19:11 | oleonard | http://search.myacpl.org/opac-[…]port_football.png |
| 19:12 | http://search.myacpl.org/opac-[…]/silk/rainbow.png | |
| 19:12 | cait | but... we need that |
| 19:12 | koyauni | hi everyone |
| 19:12 | cait | if a library wanted to borrow rainbows? |
| 19:12 | or footballs? | |
| 19:13 | or to illustrate a opac news about the library football team that won the rainbow cup | |
| 19:13 | oleonard | Or if someone wanted to delete a lorry: http://search.myacpl.org/opac-[…]/lorry_delete.png |
| 19:13 | nengard | jcamins, i went back to your original notes and you didn't say anything about it being experimental - so do you want me to make the manual say that you shouldn't use that preference in production? |
| 19:14 | cait | oleonard: ok... maybe we have some that we don't need :) |
| 19:15 | koyauni | anyone got experience with Koha on Debian with Plesk |
| 19:16 | I have installed Koha but it does not shown the subdoamin | |
| 19:16 | very similar to this issue | |
| 19:16 | http://forum.parallels.com/sho[…]636717#post636717 | |
| 19:16 | nengard | @later tell eythian - i already documented that in the manual: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]ml#serialtablefaq |
| 19:16 | huginn | nengard: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:17 | cait | nengard: I think he meant the database documentation :) |
| 19:18 | nengard | yeah i figured that |
| 19:19 | wajasu | i do a "git log" in my kohaclone. i search forward for 7447, which was pushed to master. fine. but when i look at misc/cronjobs/overdue_notice.pl i don't see the added --date option code it added? Hmm |
| 19:19 | jcamins | nengard: yeah. It's a future expansion thing. |
| 19:20 | nengard | okay |
| 19:20 | oleonard | jcamins: What is the magnifying glass icon you mentioned? |
| 19:21 | jcamins | oleonard: used in bug 5888. |
| 19:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5888 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , opac-detail subject/author links improvements |
| 19:21 | jcamins | And friends. |
| 19:23 | koyauni | jcamins: I fond some similar issues to mine on Plesk but there is no answer to tread, please see http://forum.parallels.com/sho[…]636717#post636717 |
| 19:24 | oleonard | http://search.myacpl.org/opac-[…]am/silk/drink.png |
| 19:25 | jcamins | koyauni: probably you need to do something special to make an Apache virtual host show up if you're using Plesk. If you read the Plesk documentation I imagine it will explain somewhere, but I wouldn't know what to look for. |
| 19:26 | cait | wajasu: hm not sure, if it's pushed it should show up |
| 19:26 | maybe you ar enot on the right branch? | |
| 19:27 | wajasu | i'm on master. git log shows it in its history. |
| 19:29 | oleonard | jcamins: Your magnifying glass icon isn't famfamfam, so you're safe. |
| 19:29 | jcamins | oleonard: phew. I was worried. |
| 19:29 | oleonard | :) |
| 19:34 | rangi | Morning |
| 19:34 | cait | morning rangi |
| 19:34 | jcamins | Morning. |
| 19:34 | wajasu | hi |
| 19:34 | wahanui | well, morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. |
| 19:34 | cait | oleonard is threatening to delete our icons for deleting lorries and having drinks... |
| 19:34 | koyauni | this is better : http://forum.parallels.com/sho[…]read.php?t=111215 |
| 19:35 | rangi | We have drink icons? |
| 19:35 | oleonard | http://search.myacpl.org/opac-[…]am/silk/drink.png |
| 19:35 | rangi | Do it |
| 19:35 | oleonard | One of 1,156 famfamfam icons in the OPAC |
| 19:36 | * jcamins | adds a "give me a drink" button to the staff interface. |
| 19:36 | oleonard | I'd submit a patch, but we're down to 56 needs signoff and I wouldn't dare raise it. |
| 19:37 | rangi | Hehe |
| 19:37 | * oleonard | even did the homework rangi assigned yesterday |
| 19:37 | * jcamins | is writing POD today. |
| 19:37 | cait | I ddi my homework too! |
| 19:37 | well... half of it and wajasu claims it works for him... | |
| 19:38 | jcamins: you could add a: want this search to work better? Buy me a drink button ;) | |
| 19:38 | jcamins | lol |
| 19:38 | cait | getting donations for oyur search rewrite |
| 19:38 | rangi | Chocolate fishes all round |
| 19:38 | oleonard | Want to see page 2 of these search results? Buy me a drink |
| 19:38 | wajasu | i reapplied my overdue_notice patch with kf's scenario and it worked for me. she left for home earlier and said she was going to look thorugh her logs and analyze it some more. |
| 19:39 | oleonard | Want to see page 2 of these search results? Buy me a drink! |
| 19:39 | * oleonard | excuses himself for the hiccup |
| 19:39 | jcamins | lol |
| 19:39 | rangi | It was showing all overdues? Not just one? |
| 19:39 | * cait | nibbles on her chocolate fish |
| 19:40 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 19:40 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on August 22, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising). |
| 19:42 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 19:42 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 22.4°C (9:40 PM CEST on August 21, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:43 | wajasu | i didn't touch overdue generation logic. just presentation. i added 2 checkouts 1 2 daya prior and one 1 day prior. with -t trigger two notices showed up, because there was a 1day trigger, and a 2 day trigger, but for different items. |
| 19:44 | it seems only books due the same day are consolidated into one notice. | |
| 19:44 | cait | wajasu: you need 3 |
| 19:44 | 3 on the smae day | |
| 19:44 | rangi | Yes that |
| 19:45 | wizzyrea | i wish huginn's weather bot would tell you what the wind speed is |
| 19:45 | cait | hm meant 2 on the same day, but more than 1 :) 3 total, 2 different dates was what I did |
| 19:45 | rangi | It should list all items |
| 19:45 | cait | rangi: should only with --list-all option |
| 19:45 | else it should list in each notice the overdues for that trigger | |
| 19:46 | rangi | Yep |
| 19:46 | cait | with -t --list-all all overdue items hsould be shown, without only those which due date matches the trigger |
| 19:46 | and -t should be documented in the help that shows with -h by the way... | |
| 19:47 | rangi | But it should never only show one when 2 match the trigger |
| 19:47 | cait | hm interesting |
| 19:47 | wahanui | interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 19:47 | cait | wajasu: -t -n looks alright to me - have you tried without -n? |
| 19:48 | wajasu: yep, that seems to be it - -n shows the correct notices. if you create them and write them into the message_queue table, they are wrong. weird. | |
| 19:49 | how nice... our test mode differs from waht really happens :( | |
| 19:51 | wajasu: did I scare you away? | |
| 19:56 | wajasu | no. mom clled. she wins. |
| 19:56 | callled | |
| 19:56 | cait | ah |
| 19:57 | I updated the bug | |
| 19:57 | and kf=cait... but tell noone... | |
| 19:57 | rangi: would I get another chocolate fish for bug 8663? | |
| 19:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8663 normal, P3, ---, pelletiermaxime, Needs Signoff , Circulation rules hard due date calendar wrong format |
| 19:58 | rangi | Yep |
| 19:58 | cait | hm have to create a 3.8 instance... |
| 19:59 | rangi | My stop bbiab |
| 19:59 | wizzyrea | oleonard: that guy on the list, manos, that bug is the one we were working on yesterday right? |
| 19:59 | with the call number sort | |
| 19:59 | oleonard | yes |
| 19:59 | wizzyrea | he probably just needs to set his asc to dsc and flip it back |
| 20:00 | so the value gets set | |
| 20:00 | oleonard | But he also wants the callnumber sort to work by default |
| 20:00 | wizzyrea | your patch fixes that? or he wants relevance *then* call number |
| 20:01 | which kind of makes no sense but whatever. | |
| 20:01 | @quote get 123 | |
| 20:01 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 20:01 | oleonard | My patch enables sorting by call number by default which I think is what he wants |
| 20:01 | cait | and if not - you still fixed a bug :) |
| 20:01 | wizzyrea | ok, I was just wondering - should we tell him that lol |
| 20:01 | I will, if no one else wants to :P | |
| 20:01 | oleonard | That'd be great,thanks |
| 20:02 | wizzyrea | okies |
| 20:02 | cait | wizzyrea++ :) |
| 20:02 | and oleonard++ | |
| 20:08 | rangi | back |
| 20:16 | oleonard | Thanks for the follow-up email wizzyrea. I'm glad some of his bugs could be reproduced--I couldn't with the cover image bugs. |
| 20:17 | rangi | me either |
| 20:23 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #141 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 20:30 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
| 20:30 | rangi | cya oleonard |
| 20:30 | cait | bye oleonard |
| 20:34 | rangi | http://download.koha-community.org/ |
| 20:34 | someone have a minute to check the 3.8.4 tarball (looks ok to me) | |
| 20:34 | before i send out the release notes | |
| 20:34 | ahh forget that | |
| 20:34 | 2 secs im rolling a new one | |
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| 20:35 | cait | updat ethe database? :) |
| 20:35 | rangi | yep |
| 20:35 | cait | :) |
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| 20:37 | nancyk | Hi, just testing for tomorrow morning. |
| 20:37 | rangi | hi nancyk |
| 20:37 | i wont be able to make it, its 3am nz time .. but i hope the meeting goes well | |
| 20:37 | cait | hi nancyk :) |
| 20:38 | nancyk | see you tomorrow i hope. |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | anyone have thoughts on how to find the record that causes "utf8 xc3 does not map to unicode" |
| 20:38 | I was talking to someone about this a week or so ago | |
| 20:38 | rangi | ok, proper tarball now |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | now I have one of these pets to call my own. |
| 20:39 | http://catalog.nexpresslibrary[…]pl?q=deari&limit= | |
| 20:39 | cait | hm not sure |
| 20:39 | wizzyrea | my thought is that it has to be something in a record that is wrong |
| 20:39 | rangi | yep |
| 20:40 | wizzyrea | i mean, duh. |
| 20:40 | but how do I find which one? | |
| 20:40 | I've looked through biblio, and biblioitems, marc, and marcxml | |
| 20:40 | rangi | switch off xslt |
| 20:40 | wizzyrea | oo |
| 20:40 | rangi++ | |
| 20:40 | rangi | and see if you can then see the results |
| 20:40 | wizzyrea | it'll then be one of those right? |
| 20:41 | rangi | yup |
| 20:41 | assuming that doesnt asplode too | |
| 20:41 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 20:42 | hm no it's still asplodey even without xslt | |
| 20:42 | same message | |
| 20:43 | jcamins | Yeah, that's an error in MARC::Record. |
| 20:43 | magnuse | looks like the error happens in Encode.pm - that is in perl code, not xslt? |
| 20:43 | rangi | yeah but i was hoping it was being called by the xslt rendering |
| 20:43 | magnuse | ah |
| 20:44 | rangi | you'll have to start throwing in warns to dump the biblionumber then |
| 20:44 | magnuse | no more info in the logs? |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | don't have access to them :( |
| 20:44 | magnuse | gah :-) |
| 20:44 | jcamins | wizzyrea: do you have public Z39.50? |
| 20:45 | magnuse | same error in the intranet? |
| 20:45 | wizzyrea | yes, in both |
| 20:45 | and yes, I believe we do have public z39.50 | |
| 20:45 | suppose I could query it that way eh. | |
| 20:46 | jcamins | wizzyrea: connect via yaz, get a list of records, and try accessing them one at a time? |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | good idea |
| 20:47 | magnuse | this works: http://catalog.nexpresslibrary[…]e_dsc&format=rss2 |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | right which makes me think that it's an oldish record |
| 20:47 | one that is on the first page of results for deari | |
| 20:47 | dearie also dies | |
| 20:47 | same error | |
| 20:47 | wahanui | it has been said that same error is face earlier also |
| 20:48 | jcamins | It's the eighth result for "deari". |
| 20:49 | (tested by lowing count until it worked. | |
| 20:49 | *) | |
| 20:49 | lowering | |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 20:49 | wow. nice work there. | |
| 20:50 | but… what is it! lol. | |
| 20:50 | jcamins | Now you connect with yaz, find out what the eighth record is, and know which record needs to be recreated. |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | well yea - except I"m not sure that it's been set up with public z39.50, now that I'm actually trying to connect to it |
| 20:51 | jcamins | That would make it difficult. |
| 20:51 | However! Your test server should have a record that old. | |
| 20:51 | magnuse | or use the rss - easier |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | derrr |
| 20:52 | jcamins | magnuse: ooh, good call. |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | ohh - it doesn't work with rss |
| 20:52 | magnuse | hm, the sorting seems to be um, interesting though... |
| 20:52 | jcamins | Wait... |
| 20:53 | Yeah, I just noticed that too. | |
| 20:53 | Yeah. | |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | good idea though |
| 20:53 | jcamins | So you use your database access to your test server to try and locate this record. |
| 20:53 | Or you do a report. | |
| 20:54 | SELECT biblionumber FROM biblioitems WHERE marcxml LIKE '%dearie%' ORDER BY biblionumber; | |
| 20:54 | ^^ do this on your test server. | |
| 20:55 | magnuse | the titles in the rss are different for limit=7 and limit=8 :-( |
| 20:55 | jcamins | magnuse: you want count=7 and count=8 |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | I did that |
| 20:55 | nothing looked untoward, and we did searches on all of hose biblios | |
| 20:55 | and those searches all succeeded. | |
| 20:55 | in fact, my query was exactly that :) | |
| 20:56 | hose biblios! | |
| 20:56 | jcamins | Hrm. |
| 20:56 | * wizzyrea | imagines a fire hose spewing marc data |
| 20:56 | wizzyrea | pshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 20:56 | magnuse | jcamins: gah! |
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| 20:57 | rangi | have you done one for that char? |
| 20:57 | wizzyrea | OH |
| 20:57 | hmm no | |
| 20:57 | * wizzyrea | looks up which one it is |
| 20:58 | rangi | its not a valid one, thats the problem :) |
| 20:58 | * magnuse | realises he is too tired for this and wanders off to sleep a little |
| 20:58 | wizzyrea | well but I don't know how it's invalid |
| 20:58 | so how can I look for it? | |
| 20:58 | sorry, not making the leap | |
| 20:58 | lol. | |
| 20:59 | rangi | try like "%\xC2%" it might work |
| 20:59 | * wizzyrea | will try it, is dubious |
| 20:59 | jcamins | According to the documentation, MySQL doesn't allow escapes like that. |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 20:59 | well I did not in fact look for xC2 | |
| 21:00 | so I will :) | |
| 21:00 | jcamins | "\x is not X" |
| 21:00 | rangi | try without the \ then |
| 21:00 | jcamins | Let me try that again. |
| 21:00 | "\x is x" | |
| 21:01 | wizzyrea | it's chomping on that |
| 21:01 | nom nom | |
| 21:01 | ty for the suggestions btw | |
| 21:01 | oo 11 of them! | |
| 21:02 | oh oh pokemon… let's try that one | |
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| 21:09 | mtj | wizzyrea eythain showed me a way to regex thru a marc file to locate a glitchy record |
| 21:09 | * wizzyrea | perks up |
| 21:09 | wizzyrea | do tell. |
| 21:09 | now, question | |
| 21:09 | would it be in marcxml | |
| 21:09 | or in marc | |
| 21:09 | mtj | .. but it requires the marc data to be dumped to a file |
| 21:09 | wizzyrea | what if it's in the title? |
| 21:10 | mtj | so no awesome sql regex foo , from me :/ |
| 21:10 | jcamins | wizzyrea: MARCXML. |
| 21:10 | wahanui | well, marcxml is a representation of the usmarc in xml |
| 21:10 | wajasu | cait: the info about -n -t vs -t is what i needed. thx. |
| 21:10 | jcamins | Possibly also marc. |
| 21:11 | mtj | yeah, prolly both fields, yeah? |
| 21:11 | wizzyrea | and the xslt comes from marcxml- but it does it in both so |
| 21:11 | hmm | |
| 21:11 | * wizzyrea | ponders |
| 21:11 | cait | wajasu: ideally the preview should match the real thing... in the end |
| 21:11 | wajasu: it's bad it doesn#t right now :( | |
| 21:11 | jcamins | wizzyrea: both use MARCXML, I think, because rebuild_zebra does. |
| 21:12 | Yeah, marcxml. | |
| 21:12 | wizzyrea | I suppose |
| 21:12 | the problem could be in the index | |
| 21:13 | wajasu | i'm going to attempt to write a Overdues.t and add tests to validate and document whats supposed to be happening. |
| 21:13 | wizzyrea | but you would think that there would be something funky in the record that would cause it |
| 21:13 | … but it could be a spontaneous bit-flip I guess? | |
| 21:15 | jcamins | No, not likely to be the index. |
| 21:15 | \xC2 is definitely MARC-8. | |
| 21:15 | wajasu | cait: you might be able to explain why i can do "git log" and see 7447 (adding --date) in overdue_notice.pl in master, but no such option exists in my overdue_notice.pl |
| 21:15 | cait | I am not sure I can |
| 21:15 | in mine it did exist | |
| 21:15 | mtj | jcamins, how do you know that? |
| 21:16 | cait | or des |
| 21:16 | does | |
| 21:16 | mtj | thats its marc-8? |
| 21:16 | jcamins | mtj: 'cause I've seen it. |
| 21:16 | mtj | wizzyrea, id REALLY like to see a good way to fix your problem |
| 21:17 | wizzyrea | indeed :) |
| 21:17 | mtj | .. either some sql foo, or a command-line tool |
| 21:17 | jcamins | mtj: https://github.com/jcamins/cat[…]aster/sanitize.pl |
| 21:18 | Ignore the headers, which are inaccurate. | |
| 21:18 | mtj | jcamins++ nice :) |
| 21:18 | cait | wajasu: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4dc7a2ab7fd739978 |
| 21:20 | wajasu | cait: i git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git kohaclone and "vi misc/cronjobs/overdue_notice.pl" and don't see any of that new stuff. but git clone shows it inthe history. is it in some special branch? |
| 21:20 | cait | no it's master |
| 21:21 | are you stil running a standard installaton? | |
| 21:21 | wajasu | yes. |
| 21:21 | cait | that will not work |
| 21:21 | mtj | marcgrep.pl -> https://github.com/marktriggs/marcgrep |
| 21:22 | cait | you will need a dev installl |
| 21:22 | where all the files are in git | |
| 21:22 | with standard they are scattered in different directories not git controlled | |
| 21:22 | mtj | oops, not .pl , but java |
| 21:22 | http://en.pusc.it/bib/MARCgrep | |
| 21:24 | wajasu | i am doing the whole perl Makefile.PL, make,make install when i test with standard. |
| 21:27 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #141: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/141/ |
| 21:27 | * f.demians: 3.8.4 Translation Update | |
| 21:27 | * Chris Cormack: 3.8.4 Release notes | |
| 21:28 | Starting build #142 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 21:28 | cait | wajasu: you will have to do that every time you pull |
| 21:29 | it's really easier with a dev install | |
| 21:29 | harder to go wrong | |
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| 21:29 | cait | and every time you change a file |
| 21:29 | Topic for #koha is now druthb :) | |
| 21:29 | cait | and here is always the chance you forget to copy something and it takes forever to run all the scripts |
| 21:29 | Brooke | razzin frazzin /t shortcut |
| 21:30 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the Koha Community | |
| 21:30 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to irc://irc.oftc.net/#koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org/ | |
| 21:30 | cait | maybe put the date of the next meeting? |
| 21:30 | Brooke | lemme go look it up :) |
| 21:31 | pfft arrows don't work right | |
| 21:32 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The Next General Meeting is 5 September 18 UTC | |
| 21:33 | rangi | wtf .. that guy is so random |
| 21:37 | wajasu | cait: but I still think i should see the 7447 changes. if you do just after a git clone git://... something must not be right. i just did a fresh clone and no --date option. |
| 21:38 | cait | and you are looking at the git controlled file? |
| 21:38 | wajasu | yes |
| 21:38 | cait | and git pull says you are up to date? |
| 21:38 | wajasu | master branch. nothing changed. |
| 21:39 | Already up-to-date. | |
| 21:39 | cait | maybe you are tracking the wrong branch? |
| 21:39 | wajasu | is there a git hash i can report to you to see if we are in sync? |
| 21:39 | cait | just do a git log |
| 21:40 | and look at the latest commit | |
| 21:41 | wajasu | git log => 322a9c7fbbcf456084d1937f48345b3cdec058ce its the Bug 5600 |
| 21:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, RESOLVED FIXED, Bulk MARC biblio export script |
| 21:41 | wajasu | very tiny followup |
| 21:41 | cait | that's right |
| 21:41 | wahanui | I know. |
| 21:41 | cait | maybe scroll down - i see it not in the options on top of the overdues file, but in the pod below |
| 21:43 | wajasu | you are right. my bad. |
| 21:44 | i think i tried using it and got an error. maybe the date needed to be just right. | |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | jcamins++ |
| 21:44 | yaz client ftw | |
| 21:44 | deep, strange magic | |
| 21:46 | wajasu | so i'll work on getting zebra_messages in sync. if i write a test, and its got lots of SQL should i put it in t/db_dependent? |
| 21:49 | rangi | if it depends on having a db, then yes, if you did it with DBD::Mock then no |
| 21:49 | wajasu | ok |
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| 22:30 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #142: SUCCESS in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/142/ |
| 22:30 | Chris Cormack: Bump version number | |
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| 23:06 | jcamins_away | mtj++ |
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