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| 00:03 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 00:04 | wajasu | i'm attempting bug 8215 again since a newer patch was submitted. but i'm afraid the patch writer is just leaving out a couple of perl routines that "copy" the code to the right directory on the intranet side. |
| 00:04 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add Course Reserves |
| 00:05 | wajasu | should i look into editting Makefile.PL or something else. |
| 00:05 | jcamins | No. |
| 00:05 | You should report it's not working and let the author do it. | |
| 00:05 | wajasu | this is the second time around. |
| 00:06 | jcamins | If you're not sure what the problem is, there will be less confusion for all involved if you toss it back. Often what happens is the wrong patch gets uploaded. |
| 00:06 | If you'd like you can try to troubleshoot it. | |
| 00:07 | wajasu | i used find to find 3 perl routines. He did it right for the OPAC, but left out these routines. its only because i am doing a std install and he is probably dev install. |
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| 00:09 | jcamins | Well, everything needs to work for a standard install. |
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| 00:41 | wajasu | ok, i see he needed a line in the target_map, and he's got unbalanced updatedatabase.pl i'm throwing it back. its not evident. |
| 00:52 | mtj | wajasu, you've selected an impressively difficult patch to sign-off on :p |
| 01:24 | wajasu | i failed it. its actually what my users wanted 3 years ago. if instructors can tag their course/syllabus reading material, then maybe rules that keep at least one on the shelf, etc will get requested. |
| 01:26 | mtj | ah, that makes more sense… and i thought you just liked a challenge :) |
| 01:30 | wizzyrea | oh course reserves/ |
| 01:30 | ? | |
| 02:12 | libsysguy | after having to use this twice I feel the need to post this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4 |
| 02:30 | wajasu | that made my day. |
| 02:30 | kill -9 | |
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| 02:54 | wizzyrea | libsysguy: also this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcJFdCmN98s |
| 02:55 | rangi | heh |
| 02:55 | wizzyrea | oyyy |
| 02:55 | rangi | too slow :) |
| 02:56 | * wizzyrea | cries a little |
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| 04:41 | cait | good morning #koha |
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| 05:50 | mveron | Good morning #koha |
| 05:50 | http://translate.koha-community.org/ seems to be down? | |
| 06:10 | cait | same for me |
| 06:11 | wajasu | me too |
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| 06:31 | cait | brb |
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| 06:51 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 06:53 | bag | evening |
| 06:53 | wahanui | hmmm... evening is better for me - but not too late |
| 06:53 | drojf | evening would be better for me too |
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| 07:04 | francharb | hi |
| 07:04 | drojf | hey francharb |
| 07:04 | wahanui | francharb falls asleep easily at sea. Don't believe me? Just ask Brooke. |
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| 07:09 | clrh | hello |
| 07:09 | wahanui | what's up, clrh |
| 07:09 | drojf | bonjour clrh |
| 07:10 | mtj | bonjour europe |
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| 07:19 | kf | hi #koha |
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| 07:23 | drojf | hi mtj and kf |
| 07:24 | kf | hi mt hi drojf :) |
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| 07:26 | kf | good morning eythian :) |
| 07:26 | eythian | hi kf |
| 07:29 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 07:29 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.8°C (9:12 AM CEST on August 17, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:29 | drojf | @wunder rodenberg, germany |
| 07:29 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Hannover DE, Bueckeburg, Germany is 17.8°C (9:02 AM CEST on August 17, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:29 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 07:29 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.7°C (9:25 AM CEST on August 17, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:30 | drojf | seems like we will have a very hot weekend |
| 07:30 | kf | the weather reports look like it |
| 07:30 | but it's not too warm today | |
| 07:30 | drojf | and i will spend it without notebook at my mum's \o/ |
| 07:31 | kf | taking an internet break? :) |
| 07:31 | drojf | not completely, i'll take my tablet. and the raspi :D |
| 07:31 | but without thunderbird, that will halp a lot | |
| 07:31 | help | |
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| 07:48 | magnuse | kia ora #koha |
| 07:49 | happy pizza day! | |
| 07:55 | kf | hi magnuse :) |
| 07:55 | eythian | hola magnuse |
| 07:57 | magnuse | hiya kf and eythian |
| 07:57 | @wunder konstanz | |
| 07:57 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.8°C (9:55 AM CEST on August 17, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:57 | eythian | warming up... |
| 07:57 | magnuse | nice |
| 07:57 | @wunder boo | |
| 07:57 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 15.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on August 17, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:57 | magnuse | not too bad either |
| 07:57 | so what's happening in konstanz today` | |
| 07:58 | s/`/?/ | |
| 07:59 | eythian | Not a lot so far. I can only assume that they have a German-beer o'clock at 4pm precisely ;) |
| 07:59 | kf | hopefully finishing the program for the workshop :) |
| 07:59 | eythian | also that :) |
| 07:59 | kf | eythian: I have been trying to implement that here... but with no success so far |
| 07:59 | more likely we will have icecream-o-clock ;) | |
| 08:00 | magnuse | icecream > beer |
| 08:00 | :-) | |
| 08:00 | when is the workshop? | |
| 08:02 | kf | 28/29 |
| 08:02 | magnuse | still some time left then |
| 08:02 | in norway, alcohol in the workplace is a strict no-no | |
| 08:03 | you can go to a pub after work, but drinking in the workplace would be frowned upon | |
| 08:03 | kf | yeah, I think it's similar here |
| 08:04 | eythian | well, it's frowned upon before 4pm on a Friday. |
| 08:04 | in NZ | |
| 08:04 | at Catalyst, anyway | |
| 08:04 | Unless it's been a bad week, then you could probably get away with starting earlier ;) | |
| 08:04 | kf | heh |
| 08:04 | drojf | lol |
| 08:04 | NZ++ :D | |
| 08:09 | magnuse | hehe |
| 08:10 | * magnuse | takes padre for a spin |
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| 09:03 | magnuse | huh, how am i supposed to get any work done when Firebug refuses to cooperate? |
| 09:04 | kf | what does it do? |
| 09:05 | eythian | it crashes firefox for me sometimes |
| 09:05 | just recently though | |
| 09:09 | magnuse | ah, seems to work after a restart of firefox |
| 09:09 | it just refused to do anything | |
| 09:14 | eythian | when it makes firefox die for me, it crashes on startup, which is annoying. |
| 09:15 | magnuse | nah, that sounds like fun! |
| 09:15 | ;-) | |
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| 10:22 | magnuse | tjänare viktor |
| 10:58 | kf | hi Viktor :) |
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| 12:05 | magnuse | anyone else getting through to http://translate.koha-community.org/ ? |
| 12:11 | liw | magnuse, does not work for me |
| 12:11 | magnuse | thanks liw |
| 12:12 | maybe fredericd needs to kick it? | |
| 12:13 | mbalmer | not reachable from .ch either |
| 12:23 | magnuse | :-( |
| 12:25 | hdl1 | anyone having a weird right truncation ? zebra_start 2.0.44 |
| 12:26 | when used to search chien, it also finds chine | |
| 12:26 | and chinois | |
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| 12:36 | jcamins_away | hdl1: turn off everything except for QueryWeightFields, and see if the problem still occurs. |
| 12:36 | hdl1 | jcamins_away: already done. |
| 12:36 | jcamins_away: zebra query is | |
| 12:36 | jcamins_away | Does it still happen with QueryWeightFields? |
| 12:37 | *turned off | |
| 12:37 | * jcamins_away | hasn't had any coffee. |
| 12:37 | hdl1 | f @attr 1=1016 @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 chien |
| 12:37 | and I get : | |
| 12:37 | * druthb | delivers coffee to jcamins_away, who isn't, quite, away, anymore. |
| 12:39 | hdl1 | Conformité des ceremonies chinoises avec l'idolatrie grecque et romaine. Pour servir de confirmation à l'Apologie des dominicains missionnaires de la Chine. Par un religieux docteur & professeur en theologie |
| 12:39 | which is not having chien in any field | |
| 12:40 | kf | Chine < looks like fuzzy would effect it |
| 12:40 | jcamins_away | What do you get with @attr 1=1016 @attr 4=6 chien? |
| 12:41 | hdl1 | kf: Yes, but zebra search is : only right truncation, no fuzzy |
| 12:41 | jcamins_away: it works as expected without the @attr 5= | |
| 12:41 | jcamins_away | That's... bizarre. |
| 12:41 | * kf | will leave it to the experts |
| 12:42 | hdl1 | But my "wonder" is that it is NOT the expected behaviour. |
| 12:42 | jcamins_away: what zebra version are you using ? | |
| 12:42 | jcamins_away | 2.0.44. |
| 12:43 | What if you do a scan on 'chie'? | |
| 12:44 | If the problem were in the indexing configuration, you should have a term chien[something] | |
| 12:45 | hdl1 | trying to use icu at the moment |
| 12:45 | will try your suggestion later. | |
| 12:45 | export is export. | |
| 12:46 | * jcamins_away | has to head into the city, but will be back later. |
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| 13:24 | eythian | do we have any way of know when a particular subscription last received a new item, assuming that you don't create items for these? |
| 13:24 | like, is "last received date" hidden around somewhere? | |
| 13:25 | kf | hm I think so |
| 13:25 | have you checked the serialitems table? | |
| 13:26 | ah no, serial | |
| 13:27 | eythian | hmm, could be promising. I was wading through the subscription table |
| 13:27 | kf | ah no not there |
| 13:27 | I think serial has most likely what you need | |
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| 13:28 | kf | hi libsysguy |
| 13:28 | libsysguy? | |
| 13:28 | wahanui | libsysguy is, like, Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer |
| 13:28 | libsysguy | hehe |
| 13:28 | hi kf | |
| 13:29 | oh oh kf I found out how to do that template thing you were trying to help with the other day | |
| 13:29 | kf | oh? :) |
| 13:29 | oleonard | Ooh I love template things. |
| 13:29 | kf | lol |
| 13:30 | libsysguy | ok so a for loop without a pre-defined array |
| 13:30 | say I wanted a select statement in html from 1-30 but i didn't want to copy paste | |
| 13:30 | you can do: | |
| 13:31 | [% FOREACH number in [1 .. 30 ]%] <option>[" number "]</option> [% END %] | |
| 13:32 | * oleonard | was trying to do exactly that just yesterday |
| 13:32 | libsysguy | turns out the spaces after the ..'s are important |
| 13:32 | oleonard | Where did you find that libsysguy ? |
| 13:32 | kf | hmm |
| 13:32 | magnuse | heh, that's the kind of thing you could spend half a day figuring out... |
| 13:33 | kf | [" or [%? |
| 13:33 | libsysguy | deep in the fire of some template doc |
| 13:33 | magnuse | ... or at least i could ... |
| 13:33 | libsysguy | spent several days |
| 13:33 | kf just [ like an array reference | |
| 13:33 | eythian | @later tell nengard when you get to documenting the serials table, the status field is: 1=expected, 2=arrived, 3=late, 4=missing, 5=not available |
| 13:33 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:33 | libsysguy | you can't use ( like a normal array |
| 13:33 | kf | I wonder how the translation scripts like that |
| 13:34 | [" number "] < this part here | |
| 13:34 | oleonard | not [% number %] ? |
| 13:34 | libsysguy | oh the number part…thats by mistake…it is [% |
| 13:34 | eythian | http://template-toolkit.org/docs/manual/ <-- you guys know this, right? |
| 13:34 | kf | ah right, then it should be ok :) |
| 13:34 | libsysguy | sorry, I was so excited to type it and share |
| 13:35 | kf | eythian: tell me to hit send. |
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| 13:35 | * oleonard | was searching for that syntax in that manual yesterday eythian |
| 13:35 | eythian | g'wan, you can do it |
| 13:35 | kf | I did. |
| 13:35 | libsysguy | eythan that syntax isn't in there I don't think |
| 13:37 | eythian | > You can also create simple numerical sequences using the .. range operator: |
| 13:37 | libsysguy | i think I found it in a cpan tutorial for TT |
| 13:37 | soab... | |
| 13:37 | eythian | http://template-toolkit.org/do[…]al/Variables.html <-- 31% down this page |
| 13:38 | kf | what, no line number? |
| 13:38 | libsysguy | i scrolled by that countless times |
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| 13:38 | eythian | line numbers don't work in HTML so well, but my browser does give a percentage :) |
| 13:39 | kf | only thought a line number would be more stylish |
| 13:39 | libsysguy | cait last example under list references |
| 13:39 | eythian | for an English workshop, you're still sending emails in some funny moon language. |
| 13:40 | kf | the programme is in English :P |
| 13:40 | and I am sure you can live without me making you proof read my mails too | |
| 13:40 | oleonard | libsysguy: This doesn't work for me: [% FOREACH number in [ 1 .. 30 ]%] [% number %] [% END %] |
| 13:41 | eythian | oleonard: caps? |
| 13:41 | I forget if it's sensitive or not, but I think it can be. | |
| 13:41 | (looking at your 'in') | |
| 13:42 | oleonard | You're right eythian |
| 13:44 | Awesome, good find libsysguy | |
| 13:44 | libsysguy | thanks oleonard |
| 13:45 | also oleonard I've been working on using the calendar with ajax | |
| 13:45 | so far its been a learning process with CGI but not aweful | |
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| 13:51 | wajasu | you guys love template toolkit. has anyone suggested using tt for our notices/emails? after working in the overdue_notice and Letters.pm substitution stuff, we could leverage it. |
| 13:52 | kf | we would stil have to keep it simple for libraries somehow |
| 13:54 | gmcharlt | kf: I think it is -- Evergreen uses TT for its notices, and I haven't observed any particular difficulty on the part of librarians |
| 13:54 | at least, not more than *any* template language might be in general | |
| 13:54 | wajasu | i know we can convert our existing simple template to tt format for backend logic. and if the library wanted more power, we could have a dropdown to switch per template. |
| 13:54 | magnuse | gmcharlt: cool! |
| 13:54 | kf | yep, cool :) |
| 13:55 | gmcharlt | and of course, we can also define helper functions to make common tasks easier |
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| 13:56 | wajasu | if we could write a Template::Toolkit::Provider against the database, we could grab them from there, so when our hosting providers upgrade, the custom templates are in the db dump, and not external in the filesystem. |
| 13:56 | this also means all our custom biblio details pages could be in the db. | |
| 13:57 | sekjal | morning, #koha |
| 13:58 | wajasu | i also saw MIME::Lite::TT::HTML which lets us send email notices via sendmail or directly to SMTP server (a syspref), so then many shops don't have to set up sendmail client. |
| 14:01 | jcamins_away | wajasu: MIME::Lite::TT::HTML has some issues. |
| 14:02 | jcamins | It's kind of brittle. |
| 14:02 | wajasu | oh |
| 14:03 | jcamins | I can't remember exactly what issues I had with it, but there were definitely issues. |
| 14:04 | Oh, yes, I remember. | |
| 14:04 | You *have* to send the e-mail immediately. | |
| 14:04 | wajasu | but it would be nice to let a user edit their template/notice, with it rendered side by side in the page (via submit or ajax). |
| 14:04 | jcamins | No queuing possible. |
| 14:04 | eythian | well, we have our own email queuing thing already |
| 14:04 | jcamins | eythian: right, but what MIME::Lite::TT::HTML creates isn't acceptable to sendmail. |
| 14:05 | eythian | that would be an issue |
| 14:05 | jcamins | That only took me several days of frustration to figure out. |
| 14:05 | Yep. | |
| 14:06 | eythian | hey, I have an SQL query that may return the same biblionumber several times, with different information after that, but I only want it to output the first one it sees. Is there a good way to do that? |
| 14:07 | group by seems prone to picking the wrong field later on. | |
| 14:07 | and distinct looks for duplicate rows, not fields. | |
| 14:07 | jcamins | eythian: subquery with group by? |
| 14:07 | eythian | jcamins: that's what I'm thinking really. |
| 14:07 | was hoping for something a bit nicer, but I guess it's OK | |
| 14:07 | kf | max()? |
| 14:08 | eythian | no, max won't work as I'm not dealing with just numbers. |
| 14:08 | (serial issue fields, in this case) | |
| 14:09 | I want the most recent one from the latest received serials. | |
| 14:09 | kf | hm was thinking to use it on the dates |
| 14:09 | eythian | but then I lose my sequence field |
| 14:12 | wajasu | i wonder if we can convert <item>"<<biblio.title>>" by <<biblio.author>>, <<items.itemcallnumber>>, Barcode: <<items.barcode>> Fine: <fine>USD</fine></item> |
| 14:12 | to the equivalent TT template, then just sumbit it for processing. Then with our model backing it... the FOREACH for items is the ticket i think. | |
| 14:12 | jcamins | wajasu: worth a try. |
| 14:15 | sekjal | wow... I've been away for a while... we've got biblioitems.ean, and C4::Member::Statistics.... Koha's a different place |
| 14:15 | jcamins | sekjal: I'm proposing replacing C4::Search with Evergreen's QueryParser. |
| 14:16 | wajasu | jcamins: so where should i start with tesing/theme stuff? i read that some fallback yada yada was broken. |
| 14:16 | jcamins | And we've gone a bit Pluggable crazy in bug 7417 and bug 8209. |
| 14:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches |
| 14:16 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities | |
| 14:16 | jcamins | sekjal: also, as wajasu points out, there's a working mobile theme awaiting signoff. |
| 14:17 | kf | sekjal: you can ignore ean - it only works for unimarc |
| 14:17 | jcamins | @query themes broken |
| 14:17 | Hm. | |
| 14:17 | huginn | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha themes broken |
| 14:17 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4394 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jwagner, Pushed to Master , opaccolorstylesheet syspref won't allow an external URL | |
| 14:17 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 14:18 | wajasu: start with bug 8622. The first thing to do is check that Koha still functions with that patch applied. | |
| 14:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha themes broken |
| 14:18 | jcamins | Then you install bug 8537, and see if you can use the new theme. |
| 14:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8537 normal, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, In moremember.pl the call of output_pref is without check |
| 14:18 | jcamins | No. |
| 14:18 | Bug 8357 | |
| 14:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8357 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , UNIMARCslim2OPACDetail.xsl, title without class and too links to views |
| 14:18 | jcamins | Bug 8573 |
| 14:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8573 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Translation difficult in picture-upload.tt due to nested sentence in if/foreach/if/elsif - construction |
| 14:18 | jcamins | Uhhh... then you find the bug with the new theme. |
| 14:19 | wajasu: but note that you have to sign off on my branch because the patches were too big to attach to Bugzilla. | |
| 14:19 | sekjal | anyone else having problems with prove t? |
| 14:19 | C4::Members::Statistics fails to in t/00-load.t | |
| 14:20 | jcamins | sekjal: not me. |
| 14:21 | All it depends on is Modern::Perl, too. | |
| 14:21 | wajasu | ok jcamins looking a 8622 |
| 14:22 | jcamins | sekjal: do you get any sort of error message? |
| 14:22 | Try perl -c C4/Members/Statistics.pm | |
| 14:23 | sekjal | Error: Can't call method "config" on unblessed reference at C4/Context.pm line 746. |
| 14:23 | Viktor | Oh my - sorry @magnuse and @kf - nobody was on here and I was looking into some Python projects. Discovered all sorts of discussion going on just now as I'm packing up to go home. |
| 14:23 | sekjal | ah |
| 14:23 | probably need to export my KOHA_CONF | |
| 14:23 | getting rusty... | |
| 14:23 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 14:23 | That'd probably help. | |
| 14:24 | sekjal | helped |
| 14:24 | ::sigh:: | |
| 14:25 | missing 9 dependencies... | |
| 14:26 | and they don't seem to be packaged with the names I'd expect | |
| 14:26 | jcamins | sekjal: you can ignore the Data::Pag* and... |
| 14:26 | One or two others. | |
| 14:26 | oleonard | Template::Plugin::HtmlToText? |
| 14:26 | sekjal | Template::Plugin::HtmlToText is the only one marked required |
| 14:26 | jcamins | No, that one is required. |
| 14:26 | kf | used for sending out cart emails |
| 14:27 | sekjal | and libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl isn't valid |
| 14:27 | jcamins | sekjal: it's in the k-c repo. |
| 14:27 | eythian | sekjal: it is in the koha debian repo |
| 14:27 | kf | hm worked for me |
| 14:27 | ah | |
| 14:27 | jcamins | kf: what did? |
| 14:27 | kf | installing the dependency - but probably because I have that on my list of sources? |
| 14:27 | eythian | yeah |
| 14:28 | that'll make it work | |
| 14:28 | sekjal | so now we've got packages beyond just koha? |
| 14:28 | eythian | where necessary |
| 14:28 | oleonard | Are there instructions for adding the k-c repo and getting stuff like Template::Plugin::HtmlToText? |
| 14:28 | jcamins | debian? |
| 14:28 | wahanui | hmmm... debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that |
| 14:28 | eythian | only 3 or 4 at this stage |
| 14:28 | sekjal | I would question necessity in such cases |
| 14:28 | jcamins | That's odd. |
| 14:28 | eythian | wahanui: packages |
| 14:28 | oleonard | packages? |
| 14:28 | wahanui | rumour has it packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 14:28 | i heard packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 14:29 | eythian | snap |
| 14:29 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 14:29 | sekjal: many of them are packaged in Wheezy, and things like having the cart translatable are definitely critical. | |
| 14:29 | eythian | sekjal: well, there's always been stuff you needed from CPAN |
| 14:30 | now you just need it from another repo, which is nicer than cpan. | |
| 14:30 | sekjal | eythian: for a while there, everything was available as a debian package in Squeeze |
| 14:30 | eythian | yeah, that wasn't for very long though |
| 14:30 | sekjal | jcamins: cart definitely needs to be translatable... but using that particular package isn't necessarily the only way to do that |
| 14:30 | eythian | and that was because liw managed to get everything needed into squeeze before it was released. |
| 14:30 | jcamins | sekjal: true. |
| 14:32 | liw | eythian is now part of the Debian perl packaging team and can help get everything Koha needs into Debian |
| 14:32 | sekjal | I'm frustrated, but I don't feel like I've got a real leg to stand on complaining, because I've been out of the loop for so long |
| 14:33 | eythian | basically, it's suggested to add the debian.k-c repo, and things go fairly smoothly :) |
| 14:34 | sekjal | more problems with 00-load.t: Error: Can't locate Cache/Memcached/Fast.pm in @INC |
| 14:34 | eythian | liw: that's my plan, time constraints are very against me unfortunately :( I should try to do one a week or something. |
| 14:34 | sekjal: libcache-memcached-fast-perl | |
| 14:34 | liw | eythian, aye |
| 14:35 | magnuse | sekjal: i just apt-got that one :-) |
| 14:35 | jcamins | There's a patch correcting that dependency in C4::Installer::PerlDependencies. |
| 14:35 | sekjal | jcamins: ah, thank you... I figured it might be a case of missing deps |
| 14:36 | eythian; also in debian.k-c? | |
| 14:36 | eythian | sekjal: yep |
| 14:36 | jcamins | libcache-memcached-fast-perl isn't packaged by default? |
| 14:37 | eythian | I think the non -fast version is |
| 14:37 | sekjal | jcamins: not anywhere my Ubuntu 10.04 laptop can get it |
| 14:37 | (natively) | |
| 14:37 | eythian | ohh. 10.04. |
| 14:37 | jcamins | Package libcache-memcached-fast-perl |
| 14:37 | squeeze (stable) (perl): Perl client for memcached, in C language | |
| 14:37 | Oh, 10.04? | |
| 14:37 | wahanui | i guess 10.04 is the most recent LTS still, I think. |
| 14:37 | jcamins | Ouch. |
| 14:37 | eythian | no wahanui, 10.04 is not the most recent LTS, 12.04 is. |
| 14:37 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 14:38 | * jcamins | just tells people using 10.04 that they need to upgrade to 12.04 at this point. |
| 14:38 | eythian | yeah, I can't remember if 10.04 works still or not. |
| 14:38 | I guess sekjal will find out ;) | |
| 14:38 | sekjal | eythian: works fine for me for most tasks |
| 14:38 | jcamins | eythian: it does for 3.6.x. |
| 14:38 | sekjal | just not this particular one |
| 14:38 | jcamins | I doubt it will for Master. |
| 14:38 | eythian | sekjal: I mean for installing koha on. |
| 14:39 | sekjal | that raises an interesting question: where are we keeping track of what OS's and versions Koha will run on? |
| 14:39 | is there an up-to-date wiki page? | |
| 14:39 | jcamins | @query ubuntu |
| 14:39 | huginn | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5847 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Manage Staged MARC Records stuck at 0% if isbn matching rule selected. |
| 14:39 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4800 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Disable book cover image in the title view if the feature is on in the OPAC. | |
| 14:39 | sekjal | and if so, is it descriptive or proscriptive? |
| 14:39 | huginn | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6876 minor, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , oai-pmh ListMetadataFormats marcxml definition |
| 14:39 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5217 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , INSTALL.ubuntu Packages/CPAN notes out of date for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid) | |
| 14:39 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5617 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , fix-perl-path.pl misses some files | |
| 14:40 | jcamins | I'm not having much luck with huginn today. |
| 14:40 | @query ubuntu.packages | |
| 14:40 | huginn | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5217 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , INSTALL.ubuntu Packages/CPAN notes out of date for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid) |
| 14:40 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7764 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , INSTALL.ubuntu needs updating | |
| 14:40 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Update Ubuntu related files | |
| 14:40 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Hourly Loans | |
| 14:40 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8489 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Revised ubuntu-pkg-check.sh, renamed ubuntu package files, tweaked 12.04 package file, copied 12.04 package file to ubuntu.packages | |
| 14:40 | sekjal | we've set a minimum Perl version that Koha should work with, proscriptively |
| 14:40 | jcamins | Bug 8478. |
| 14:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Update Ubuntu related files |
| 14:40 | sekjal | err, perscriptively |
| 14:40 | eythian | sekjal: I'm not sure there is a list. I know debian stable and ubuntu 12.04 are fine. I think that debian stable's perl version tends to be prescriptive. |
| 14:41 | gmcharlt | jcamins: do you recall if there was any though to using Library::CallNumber::LC rather than the existing LCC call number sort routine? |
| 14:41 | jcamins | gmcharlt: I'm not sure, but it seems like a good idea to me. |
| 14:41 | sekjal | I think we should do the same for OS support |
| 14:41 | promise that Koha will run on X, Y and Z, and reject patches that break any one of those | |
| 14:41 | would make QA easier | |
| 14:42 | jcamins | sekjal: my policy on 3.6.x is Ubuntu 10.04+ and Debian 6.0+. |
| 14:42 | magnuse | would that include rejecting patches that introduce new dependencies that are not packaged for that OS/version? |
| 14:43 | gmcharlt | nice might be all Ubuntu LTS release |
| 14:43 | jcamins | magnuse: I require all proposed dependencies be packaged in the debian.k-c.org. |
| 14:43 | magnuse: there are legitimate use cases for many things that aren't currently packaged. | |
| 14:44 | sekjal | magnuse: either rejecting the patch, or deferring it until the next major release of Koha, pending an agreement to bump the requirements |
| 14:44 | slef | hi all. I'm back. |
| 14:44 | sekjal | hi, slef |
| 14:44 | magnuse | wb slef |
| 14:45 | jcamins and sekjal: hm, not sure that makes sense to me, but my brain is starting to crave pizza... | |
| 14:45 | jcamins | magnuse: mmmm. Pizza. |
| 14:45 | magnuse | :-) |
| 14:46 | jcamins | magnuse: getting packages into debian.k-c.org is easy. |
| 14:46 | I leave an @later for eythian saying "Please add such-and-such package to oldstable on debian.k-c.org. | |
| 14:46 | eythian | sekjal: we don't tend to introduce new dependencies into minor updates. |
| 14:46 | (if we can help it) | |
| 14:46 | magnuse | jcamins: yeah, that sounds doable ;-) |
| 14:48 | tcohen | maybe we could continue the discussion on officialy supported distros on koha-dev |
| 14:48 | sekjal | tcohen: sounds good... I'll move it there now |
| 14:48 | tcohen | I proposed supporting LTS Ubuntu Releases |
| 14:48 | (recent ones) | |
| 14:50 | jcamins | libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl is the exception, but it still hasn't been accepted to 3.6.x. |
| 14:50 | eythian | tcohen: well, it depends what you mean by "supporting" too. Really the only hard requirement is the Perl version supported. |
| 14:51 | jcamins | The plan is to provide .packages files for 10.04, 12.04, and "latest" Ubuntu. |
| 14:51 | tcohen | supporting means (for example) we maintain the docs for just those releases |
| 14:51 | the same for ubuntu.packages and so on | |
| 14:51 | I belive 'latest' is too much :-D | |
| 14:52 | eythian | latest almost comes for free really |
| 14:52 | tcohen | but if mtompset's scripts make it an easy task, well, if we have the time to maintain that... |
| 14:53 | I mean, people can folow the instructions for the latest LTS and solve the missing bits | |
| 14:53 | jcamins | tcohen: latest and "last LTS" should be identical in almost all cases. |
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| 14:55 | magnuse | tcohen: you proposed some new sysprefs for bug 7187 - do you plan to work on that? |
| 14:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7187 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kmkale, NEW , Prioritize cover image sources such as Amazon, Google and add fail over i.e. if first source fails, go to next |
| 14:55 | jcamins | gmcharlt: why are you looking at Library::Callnumber::LC? |
| 14:56 | tcohen | yes magnuse |
| 14:56 | magnuse | tcohen: cool! |
| 14:56 | tcohen | but if you're going to work on that i can help too |
| 14:57 | magnuse | well, i have no immediate plans, but i'm working on a project where covers from several sources would be a good thing |
| 14:57 | tcohen: so don't let me stop you ;-) | |
| 14:58 | tcohen | hehe |
| 14:58 | I need to work on shibboleth too | |
| 14:58 | as we're implementing that | |
| 14:58 | i'll be working on both as long as daily stuff lets me | |
| 14:58 | kf | tcohen: I think biblibre is too - working on shibboleth |
| 14:59 | tcohen | oh, kf that sounds good |
| 14:59 | sekjal | I've only ever heard of Shib being "worked on", never "working" |
| 14:59 | gmcharlt | jcamins: a customer pointed out a case of misorting |
| 15:00 | jcamins | gmcharlt: ah. It does that a lot. |
| 15:00 | (missort) | |
| 15:00 | gmcharlt | specific example was SB410.9 .P26 1993 coming before SB410.A26 I75 2000 |
| 15:00 | tcohen | is translate.k-c.org down? |
| 15:00 | magnuse | tcohen: it was earlier today |
| 15:00 | clrh | thanks khall :) ( and bywater guys ) |
| 15:00 | eythian | tcohen: yep |
| 15:00 | jcamins | gmcharlt: yep, that's been an issue for a long time. |
| 15:01 | So at least you can narrow the problem down to the way Koha does sorting? :/ | |
| 15:01 | gmcharlt | yep, and fix it |
| 15:01 | (at least for code and reports that are using cn_sort) | |
| 15:02 | * magnuse | cheers gmcharlt on |
| 15:08 | wanders off | |
| 15:08 | oleonard | Ah, well without the cheering... |
| 15:08 | * oleonard | goes back to goofing off |
| 15:19 | kf | sekjal++ |
| 15:20 | sekjal | kf: ? |
| 15:20 | kf | qaing :) |
| 15:21 | sekjal | kf: ah, yes... sorry for letting it slip so long |
| 15:22 | new job has picked up, and I've been doing a lot of other projects lately | |
| 15:22 | including another piece of software from NZ called SilverStripe | |
| 15:22 | (which I'm very impressed with) | |
| 15:22 | kf | oh, what does it do? |
| 15:23 | sekjal | content management system |
| 15:23 | as well as an MVC framework | |
| 15:23 | highly extensible | |
| 15:23 | our library website is based off an older version | |
| 15:23 | I'm testing the new version for upgrade, as well as new features | |
| 15:28 | gmcharlt | jcamins: https://github.com/gmcharlt/ko[…]s/fix_lcc_cn_sort |
| 15:28 | eythian | sekjal: Oh yeah, I used to drink with the silverstripe folks from time to time |
| 15:29 | they're based in Wellington | |
| 15:29 | gmcharlt | if you've got other examples of mis-sorting handy, I'd love to incorporate them into the test case |
| 15:29 | jcamins | gmcharlt: I'm not at my computer at the moment, but one place where there's always problems is the KF schedule. |
| 15:29 | sekjal | eythian: yeah, I noticed that. seem like a good group. I haven't gotten as far as contributing anything to the code base yet, but it's proving to be a solid framework for what I want to develop |
| 15:31 | oleonard | sekjal: Any idea why they picked that in the first place? |
| 15:31 | kf | jcamins: what did I do? |
| 15:31 | jcamins | kf: nothing, that's the class for US Laws. |
| 15:31 | sekjal | oleonard: do you mean why my library picked SilverStripe as their CMS? |
| 15:31 | oleonard | Yes |
| 15:32 | sekjal | at the time (before my arrival), it was found to meet the requirements and wishes list best, as defined by the Web Coordinating Committee |
| 15:35 | jcamins | Why does a CMS need an MVC framework? |
| 15:36 | (I mean, why does it need to implement a new one) | |
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| 15:36 | sekjal | jcamins: the CMS is just a module for the framework, and you can use it or not |
| 15:36 | I'm very happy about the MVC | |
| 15:37 | jcamins | sekjal: okay, that makes more sense. I thought it was a CMS with an entire MVC framework thrown in. Which seems.. |
| 15:37 | like Emacs? | |
| 15:37 | :D | |
| 15:37 | gmcharlt | jcamins: turns out there was a bug after all -- bug 6281 |
| 15:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6281 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Bug in LCC sort routine |
| 15:37 | sekjal | I'd like to see the Catalyst MVC work gain some traction. Koha could really benefit from it |
| 15:38 | jcamins | libsysguy has been working with it. |
| 15:38 | libsysguy | yes I have |
| 15:38 | jcamins | gmcharlt: there are some more samples for the test, too. |
| 15:38 | libsysguy | well I was |
| 15:38 | sekjal | yeah, I pulled his repo a while back |
| 15:38 | encouraging | |
| 15:38 | libsysguy | before I got distracted |
| 15:38 | sekjal I learned something interesting about catalyst | |
| 15:39 | gmcharlt | jcamins: indeed, I've already incorporated those in my WIP branch |
| 15:39 | libsysguy | do not install it from packages |
| 15:39 | sekjal | libsysguy: that is interesting. why not? |
| 15:39 | libsysguy | they are outdated |
| 15:40 | and don't support Authentication or catalystX | |
| 15:40 | sekjal | ah |
| 15:40 | libsysguy | if you get on their IRC the devels even say don't pull from packages |
| 15:40 | slef | catalyst needs help |
| 15:40 | libsysguy | cpanm works well though |
| 15:41 | slef | I wish their devels would help the packages instead of telling people to splatter cpan across their systems |
| 15:41 | jcamins | Does Catalyst development move at the same rate as Ruby? |
| 15:42 | I heard Ruby development movement described as "ooh, shiny!" by a Ruby developer. | |
| 15:42 | libsysguy | yeah it is |
| 15:43 | the problem I have with Ruby is backwards compatibility (or the lack therein) | |
| 15:45 | i agree slef that the devels should get the packages working | |
| 15:45 | I took their survey they other day and said packages should move up in priority | |
| 15:45 | eythian | I think there's work on the debian side for the packages |
| 15:45 | slef | or just help... I linked a debian-perl thread recently |
| 15:46 | ironically, I was about to post the opposite view in reply to sekjal, like, is it all up to Koha to support a few OSes? | |
| 15:47 | jcamins | slef: until someone decides to pay a developer to make Koha work on Red Hat, I'd say it probably is our responsibility to say "here are the OSes we can help with, anything else we'll do our best but you're on your own." |
| 15:48 | slef | I'd prefer we moved back towards "these work, here's how - if you can get it working on something else, please document+contribute how" |
| 15:48 | jcamins | That's fine with me. |
| 15:49 | libsysguy | me too, isn't that how it is now |
| 15:49 | sekjal | a well-maintained matrix of what works on what would go a long way |
| 15:49 | libsysguy | yeah and an update to the wiki doc |
| 15:49 | slef | sekjal: time to hatchet the INSTALL.* files and ask "does this still work?" |
| 15:50 | sekjal: I think you said it no longer works on some old ubuntu? | |
| 15:50 | eythian | mtompset has been working on them I think |
| 15:50 | libsysguy | mtompset has been working with ubuntu |
| 15:50 | jcamins | So has tcohen. |
| 15:50 | sekjal | I cannot easily install libcache-memcache-fast-perl on my Ubuntu 10.04 system |
| 15:50 | eythian | it's in the k-c repo |
| 15:51 | jcamins | eythian: it is? It's available for Debian, and 10.10, so I think we probably wouldn't have packaged it. |
| 15:51 | libsysguy | ok so random question, has anybody used jira |
| 15:51 | slef | libsysguy: wiki installation docs should be a short-term thing. They really suck longer-term because you might not have easy web browsing during an install (even today) and you can't be 100% sure which version they're for. |
| 15:51 | libsysguy: arrrgh, run away from Atlassian. | |
| 15:51 | libsysguy | slef that is why I was just looking at...oh? |
| 15:51 | i just saw this http://www.atlassian.com/opensource/overview | |
| 15:52 | slef | libsysguy: I dislike jira and Confluence is really unhelpful. |
| 15:52 | jcamins | Wait, you have to apply for an open source license? |
| 15:52 | libsysguy | I have never used jira…but i rather enjoyed Confluence |
| 15:52 | slef | it's not an open source license |
| 15:52 | that's why it's really unhelpful | |
| 15:52 | it's a proprietary license for open source projects to get locked in | |
| 15:53 | libsysguy | yeah |
| 15:53 | slef | it's bloody dishonest |
| 15:53 | eythian | jcamins: ah, confusing it with libcgi-session-driver-memcached-perl |
| 15:54 | jcamins | eythian: yeah, I figured. |
| 15:54 | slef | but the US allows sale of "pure squeezed orange juice... made from concentrate" so I doubt it's illegal, sadly. |
| 15:56 | gmcharlt | eythian: do you package any backports for debian.k-c.org? I'm looking at a potential new dependency that's packaged for wheezy already but isn't presently in squeeze-backports |
| 15:57 | jcamins | gmcharlt: libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl is in Wheezy. |
| 15:58 | slef | gmcharlt: why not just upload it to backports.debian.org? |
| 15:59 | jcamins | gmcharlt: Library::Callnumber::LC? |
| 15:59 | slef | (I'll sponsor if you con't have a DD handy) |
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| 15:59 | libsysguy | apache uses jira?!?! |
| 15:59 | gmcharlt | slef: probably simpler; as a matter of etiquette, would one first ask the DD that packaged if they're willing to upload it to backports? |
| 15:59 | jcamins: right | |
| 16:00 | slef | gmcharlt: probably as a matter of pragmatism because it's less work for you, yes :) |
| 16:00 | gmcharlt | slef: heh |
| 16:00 | slef | libsysguy: meh, a bit of GNU used Confluence last time I checked. |
| 16:01 | libsysguy: I think a lot of developers get tricked by the "open source license" and it's non-trivial to change | |
| 16:01 | libsysguy | oh so once they suck you in they have you |
| 16:02 | slef | libsysguy: if you ever wanted an illustration of why I write "In god we trust - all others must bring data" and why I'm pretty sceptical of most things, that's one. |
| 16:02 | libsysguy: I think you can get out, but moving from dokuwiki to mediawiki for k-c was bad enough, wasn't it? | |
| 16:05 | libsysguy | i guess that was before my time |
| 16:06 | like so many other things that happened to KC | |
| 16:06 | slef | ok, let's ask the audience: |
| 16:06 | everyone, was moving from dokuwiki to mediawiki bad enough? | |
| 16:06 | * jcamins | prefers a darker green. |
| 16:06 | slef | ;) |
| 16:06 | jcamins: spinach? | |
| 16:07 | jcamins | slef: the audience was just sharing opinions. Not opinions on anything in particular. |
| 16:07 | slef | well it annoyed the heck out of me ;) |
| 16:07 | the move, not the sharing | |
| 16:08 | * jcamins | hardly noticed, actually. |
| 16:09 | francharb` | good afternoon / morning / evening! |
| 16:09 | bye | |
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| 16:31 | datadoctor | How do folks feel about using capital letters to define additional local MARC 952 subfields? |
| 16:32 | * druthb | shudders. |
| 16:32 | jcamins | datadoctor: I think it's a terrible idea, but go ahead. I've been overruled. |
| 16:32 | datadoctor | We are attempting to define separate "Edit Item" fields for "permanent location" vs. (temporary) "location." |
| 16:32 | gmcharlt | datadoctor: that has the potential to run into the case-insensitve query mode that Koha uses |
| 16:33 | datadoctor | I see... |
| 16:33 | Would that only be a problem if I search on that field? | |
| 16:34 | gmcharlt | more of a problem with interacting with the MARC framework |
| 16:34 | jcamins | datadoctor: why do you want to put it in the 952? |
| 16:34 | gmcharlt | frankly, it would be better (though not great) to use punctuation characters (that aren't SQL metacharacters) for such subfields |
| 16:35 | datadoctor | Wow! I could use punctuation? That could work well. |
| 16:35 | jcamins | Seems to me we've hit the limit of embedded MARC for item data. |
| 16:35 | druthb | is it even valid MARC to use uppercase? If you try to feed that to a SD system, it will break rather spectacularly. |
| 16:35 | jcamins | druthb: it is. Just a bad idea. |
| 16:36 | datadoctor | It works when editing or creating an item. |
| 16:36 | May fail elsewhere as I am understanding. | |
| 16:36 | * jcamins | maintains that we need to deprecate the 952 field for 3.12. |
| 16:37 | jcamins | However, since I won't be doing the work, I'm not too optimistic. |
| 16:38 | slef | if we don't use 952, how will we import items? |
| 16:38 | druthb | Gonna need some way to embed items for imports. Dumping 952 without some reasonable replacement will make migrations a lot harder. |
| 16:38 | datadoctor | The motivation to use 952 is that the "Location" is already defined in 952 c, we just duplicate that to 952 C, and get a similar drop-down in Edit Item. |
| 16:38 | jcamins | slef: use 952 for serialization only. |
| 16:39 | slef: druthb: if we *only* serialize to 952, it doesn't matter that we are on to uppercase/punctuation subfields. | |
| 16:40 | Despite removing items from the MARC (thanks, gmcharlt!), we still assume that an item is equivalent to a MARC field. | |
| 16:40 | druthb | I was thinking of interchange with other vendors, jcamins--if someone gets their records from Ebsco, say, and has them embed item recs, it'll have to be MARC standard, or their systems will gag on it. But if the standard allows uppercase and punctuation, then we're golden there. |
| 16:40 | jcamins | druthb: not sure about punctuation, but uppercase is allowed. |
| 16:40 | Just a horrid idea. | |
| 16:41 | druthb | yeah, confusing, at the very least. |
| 16:41 | gmcharlt | jcamins: fortunately less so -- one of the implicit reasons for the DOM mode indexing is that it lays the groundwork for indexing items without needing to serialize them as 952 fields |
| 16:41 | the same would apply to Solr, for that matter | |
| 16:41 | jcamins | gmcharlt: yeah, I know. I'm looking forward to that. |
| 16:41 | datadoctor | Does that mean we could define local information under a different MARC field, for example 962, but have it come up as tab 10 for the Edit item screen? |
| 16:41 | slef | well the alternative is to recode some of the 0/1 fields, which would be painful |
| 16:41 | well they're not 0/1 | |
| 16:42 | gmcharlt | another direction is to extend the (item part) of the MARC frameworks to let you define multiple mapping sets for items |
| 16:42 | slef | I mean stuff that only has one value like the withdrawn and lost subfields |
| 16:42 | jcamins | I'd prefer 95x matched on subfield $9 to crazy subfield markers. |
| 16:42 | But, as I said, this is all idle talk coming from me. | |
| 16:42 | gmcharlt | that way, if you're given a set of bibs to import that have the items in 945 fields, say, you could define a new item framework rather than remap the item data to 952 fields |
| 16:42 | slef | actually yeah, what stop us using other 95x? |
| 16:43 | datadoctor | gmcharlt: I like the idea to "define multiple mapping sets for items" |
| 16:43 | jcamins | That would be excellent too. |
| 16:43 | gmcharlt | slef: not much, but there'd have to be a bit of code added so that the serializer could understand (say) pairs of 952/953 fields for import |
| 16:43 | * jcamins | looks around, settles on datadoctor as the probably implementor. :) |
| 16:43 | slef | I wouldn't be surprised to discover other MARC interpreters getting it wrong with uppercase and punctuation. |
| 16:43 | jcamins | *probable |
| 16:44 | gmcharlt | slef: it's distressingly not nailed down enough in the relevant standards |
| 16:44 | datadoctor | Glad to implement, not sure where to begin... |
| 16:45 | * gmcharlt | was looking at the the ISO-2709 standard just now |
| 16:45 | jcamins | gmcharlt: kind of like the RTL directional marker, which is apparently optional. |
| 16:45 | datadoctor | I'm learning a lot from this discussion though... |
| 16:45 | slef | gmcharlt: I think much of the problem is that most of the standards seem to be designed by control freaks (= think they are gods) who make occasional mistakes (= are human) |
| 16:45 | gmcharlt | and shaking my head at the imprecision of its language |
| 16:45 | jcamins | the problem? |
| 16:45 | wahanui | the problem is, like, that on order is not treated differently than the other not for loan values |
| 16:45 | jcamins | problem? |
| 16:45 | wahanui | well, problem is its human beings doing it or that grub was nudged to the emergency holographic shell |
| 16:46 | gmcharlt | slef: well, that gets back to the original decisions back in the 1960s that ended tieing wedding catalogers to a particular serialization |
| 16:46 | * oleonard | hopes grub's mobile holographic emitter can be fixed so he can come out of the emergency shell |
| 16:46 | slef | gmcharlt: so the standards are incomplete or occasionally just plain daft, but you can't bugfix them simply without infringing someone's copyright |
| 16:46 | oleonard: enjoying the ST:Voyager repeats? | |
| 16:46 | * chris_n | hands oleonard a rope |
| 16:47 | slef | gmcharlt: "wedding catalogers" = people who make lists of wedding gifts? |
| 16:47 | oleonard | slef: Only in my head since I'm too cheap to pay to watch them |
| 16:47 | * oleonard | doesn't know what to do with the rope |
| 16:47 | slef | oleonard: ah, they're currently running free-to-air on CBS over here. |
| 16:48 | that reminds me | |
| 16:48 | off-topic, but does the US have these other CBS channels we get? CBS Action and CBS Drama... didn't see them in any hotels over there | |
| 16:49 | * oleonard | has never heard of those |
| 16:51 | slef | and while I'm being off-topic, the I285 westbound to GA400 northbound slip road dumped me in the left-hand lane... does that happen often on US roads??? |
| 16:52 | I know you don't exactly have faster-moving lanes closer to the median like in the UK but it seems to behave similar because of the road design | |
| 16:54 | gmcharlt | slef: it's mostly found in urbanized areas where there may not be enough space to put in a full cloverleaf so that one can merge from the right |
| 16:55 | slef | gmcharlt: isn't it just that they didn't want to build another bridge to put you on the right? |
| 16:56 | gmcharlt | entirely possible -- roadbuilding funds aren't infinitely, particularly in Atlanta |
| 16:57 | slef | anyway, was surprised to get a short merge, not a segregated lane or something... rather more entertaining after 40mins driving in the country than I expected ;-) |
| 16:58 | gmcharlt | slef: just consider it part of the excitement that the USA delivers to all tourists ;) |
| 16:59 | slef | gmcharlt: who do I write to thank for the tiny and misleading road signs that introduced me to many dead ends? ;-) |
| 16:59 | jeff | (SURPRISE!) |
| 17:02 | jcamins | slef: in New Jersey there is a wonderful merge on your way to New York- the 1 and 9 exit off of... the Turnpike, I think. You merge onto the Turnpike from the right, and less than a quarter of a mile later, you exit on the left, only to merge into 1 and 9 from the left. |
| 17:02 | gmcharlt | slef: if those dead ends happened to abut stores, the local Chamber of Commerce, of course! :) |
| 17:03 | slef | unsurprisingly, the US hasn't signed the UN convention on road traffic... http://treaties.un.org/pages/V[…]mp=mtdsg3&lang=en |
| 17:05 | senator | slef: some people in the US aren't even sure there are cars and traffic in other countries, and they definitely don't know the UN has an opinion on road traffic |
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| 17:05 | senator | sad to say |
| 17:05 | jcamins | slef: did I mention that there's bumper-to-bumper traffic during your quarter mile dash from the right to the left, then no traffic at all on 1 and 9? |
| 17:05 | slef | senator: I got the impression that some people in the US aren't even sure there are cars on the same road as them, based on the driving ;) |
| 17:06 | senator | heh |
| 17:06 | jcamins | slef: did you drive in India? I was told traffic in Mumbai is similar to traffic in Kabul. |
| 17:07 | slef | anyway, I was having fun with London traffic yesterday... only tried to ride on the right once (except for segregated lanes) |
| 17:07 | * jeff | just completed a mini-monologue in #evergreen, then saw senator speaking in this window, and for a half-moment thought i had monologued in #koha about Evergreen :-) |
| 17:07 | jcamins | But with fewer random checkpoints. |
| 17:07 | senator | and jcamins in #evergreen today, man so much confusion |
| 17:07 | slef | jcamins: I didn't get to India. Hire us and we'll make more money to go to kohacons ;-) |
| 17:07 | mbalmer | heh, evergreen, I like the architecture of that system.. |
| 17:07 | jeff | senator: exactly :-) |
| 17:08 | jcamins | senator: just doing my best to keep everyone's day interesting. :) |
| 17:08 | slef | apparently London cyclists are as surprised to have hire bikes keeping up with them as Norfolk drivers are when any bikes keep up |
| 17:10 | jcamins | mbalmer: out of curiosity, why did you settle on Koha? I presume since you comment on Evergreen that you looked at both? |
| 17:14 | mbalmer | longer story, but: great community, I am part of a group where we decided to go for Koha, installed base of Koha etc. |
| 17:16 | coming from informatics, not being a librarian, a system like evergreen is technically better, but using a system like Koha were domain specialists (aka the librarians) can take an active role in the development is for sure a big plus. | |
| 17:16 | * jcamins | likes POD. |
| 17:16 | mbalmer | and having so many coder-librarians makes it a product that is practical. |
| 17:17 | even if the chosen technologies are not the best. at least they are manageable to non-CS folks. | |
| 17:18 | that is, in all brevity, why... | |
| 17:18 | jcamins | Just curious. :) |
| 17:43 | Barrc | it'll be an Astra transponder.....let me check |
| 17:43 | .....oops, silly chat windows....... | |
| 17:51 | rambutan | slef: you need tomtom. I recommend the XXL550 |
| 17:57 | oleonard | Anyone have anything to add to Bug 8655? |
| 17:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8655 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Re-order items on administration page to better match configuration priority |
| 18:00 | slef | rambutan: why, can that change the behaviour of other drivers? ;-) cp: cannot create directory `debian/koha-common/usr/share/koha/intranet': No space left on device |
| 18:00 | ahem excuse the mispaste | |
| 18:02 | gmcharlt | Sisyphus: shifting rocks, are you? |
| 18:02 | Sisyphus | I'm hoping to avoid a followup on Bug 7613, gmcharlt, but it may be necessary. I'll open a new ticket, though, if so, just because that one has turned into a total furball. |
| 18:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Passed QA , OCLC Connexion Gateway, including extension svc/import_bib |
| 18:04 | slef | Sisyphus: gmcharlt; I'm working on related stuff now (which is why I just ran out of space somewhere) |
| 18:06 | * jcamins | likes the name of this kingdom: "Osrhoena. |
| 18:06 | jcamins | " |
| 18:07 | Sounds like the sort of place Sisyphus might have lived. | |
| 18:08 | slef | druthb: why can't you handle both POSTDATA and xml in http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]c/import_bib_sec1 ? |
| 18:10 | druthb | self: Someone cleverer at doing that coding probably could. You've gotta send several *other* bits though, besides just the record--the match rule, item behavior, overlay-or-create rules, etc, so POSTDATA is something that I *know* will work. |
| 18:11 | slef | druthb: I fear your patch breaks the svc API for non-Connexions clients. |
| 18:11 | druthb | slef: And when I did it, I was under a bit of a crunch to Make. It. Work. Right. Now. |
| 18:11 | If other clients are using the older new_bib, then, no, it won't, because I didn't touch that. | |
| 18:11 | I was under the impression that import_bib was something *new*. | |
| 18:12 | slef | I thought it had been in a release - I've at least one client using it and I thought they were on 3.8.x |
| 18:12 | sekjal | svc/import_bib was created as part of the OCLC Connexion Gateway development |
| 18:12 | druthb | I hadn't been aware of that. |
| 18:13 | slef | I guess I should write a test case, but this is rather gnarly to write such a test for, isn't it? Needs a live koha - do we have a place for those tests? |
| 18:13 | jcamins | It was included in 3.8 in the eleventh hour. |
| 18:13 | slef: we do not. I suggest you add a place. | |
| 18:13 | slef | sekjal: and extended to be a useful replacement for new_bib. |
| 18:13 | druthb | needs an OCLC account, too, plus a live Koha, to test this bit all the way through. And a human person who pushes the button. |
| 18:14 | jcamins | If you can come up with a test that doesn't require Connexion, that'd be good. |
| 18:14 | slef | druthb: you only need an OCLC account to test bin/connexion_import_daemon.pl, no? |
| 18:14 | druthb | Because the likelihood of OCLC messing around with the API in a way that breaks this approaches unity. They do that. |
| 18:14 | sekjal | slef: yes, the intent was to make as much reusable script as possible... |
| 18:14 | and now people have gone and used it? Crazy! | |
| 18:15 | druthb | "all the way through", yes, slef. testing just import_bib should be doable without it. |
| 18:15 | slef | pretty sure I've a manual test for it, but I didn't see where to put it under t/ so I didn't submit it upstream yet |
| 18:16 | anyone know if live-koha-needed tests can go under t/ or if something will try to run them automatically if I put it there? | |
| 18:16 | jcamins | slef: t/install_dependent? |
| 18:16 | slef | jcamins: does that exist? |
| 18:16 | jcamins | They need to be in a subdirectory of t. |
| 18:16 | slef: it will when you send a patch creating it. | |
| 18:16 | :) | |
| 18:16 | slef | jcamins: phew! you had me worried. Cool. |
| 18:18 | jcamins | Hey, could someone who is logged in mark bug 8300 Needs signoff? |
| 18:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8300 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Koha should have mechanized testing suite |
| 18:18 | slef | I can be logged in RSN |
| 18:20 | done | |
| 18:20 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 18:21 | slef | yw |
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| 18:32 | gmcharlt | slef: am I correct in thinking that the British Library provides no free way to download its MARC records? |
| 18:32 | jcamins | gmcharlt: I believe you can license their records. |
| 18:32 | slef | gmcharlt: you can get them as SUTRS, or you may be able to get a free account to obtain them. I may be out-of-date. Library Co-op may know better. |
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| 18:33 | sekjal | gtg. see ya, #koha! |
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| 18:34 | jcamins | gmcharlt: http://www.bl.uk/bibliographic/marcdownload.html |
| 18:37 | gmcharlt | jcamins: perfect, thanks! |
| 18:42 | slef | "strictly for non-commercial purposes" so depends what you mean by "free" |
| 18:43 | tcohen | bye #koha, have a nice weekend! |
| 18:44 | slef | tcohen: bye lazy ;-) |
| 18:44 | tcohen: have a nice weekend too! | |
| 18:45 | tcohen | thanks slef |
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| 20:02 | jcamins | bug 5592 |
| 20:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5592 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , circ rule cloning can be dangerous |
| 20:03 | cait | bug 3087 |
| 20:03 | jcamins | bug 3087 |
| 20:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3087 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB |
| 20:03 | jcamins | Ah. |
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| 20:41 | wajasu | jcamins_away: did you say i needed to signoff bug 8622 with your repo? i see kyle tested 1 & 2. Am I to test Kyle's patch, or one you have? |
| 20:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha themes broken |
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| 21:20 | jcamins_away | wajasu: no, bug 8622 can be tested using the patches on the bug. |
| 21:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha themes broken |
| 21:20 | jcamins_away | The new theme is in my repo. |
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| 22:43 | mtj | wajasu, re: 8622 kyle's patch is a sign-off of jcamin's patch, ie: they are identical, afaik... |
| 22:44 | jcamins | mtj: wajasu was wondering about my instructions about the theme patches. |
| 22:45 | mtj | aaah, ignore my comment then :) |
| 22:48 | jcamins++, nice patch too! | |
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| 22:50 | mtj | i think the asset stuff (images,css) should ultimately be removed from the language dirs completely |
| 22:51 | that would be a nice future patch... | |
| 22:52 | jcamins | mtj: did you see the bugs I reported? |
| 22:52 | Well, filed. | |
| 22:53 | mtj | hmm, i may have missed them :/ |
| 22:53 | * mtj | looks... |
| 22:54 | mtj | ok, gimme a clue :) |
| 22:58 | jcamins | Sorry, I was making dinner. |
| 22:58 | Bug 8624. | |
| 22:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8624 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , famfamfam should be outside theme directory |
| 22:58 | jcamins | Bug 8623. |
| 22:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8623 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories |
| 22:58 | jcamins | Bug 8625? |
| 22:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8625 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, C4::Output version 3.02 required--this is only version 3.08.01.002 |
| 22:58 | wajasu | ok. i here. |
| 22:58 | jcamins | No, not bug 8625. |
| 22:59 | mtj | jcamins, as usual, you're one step ahead of me :) |
| 22:59 | jcamins | Also bug 4048, though oleonard decided he preferred lots of little bugs. |
| 22:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4048 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, CSS and JS libs must be outside of translated paths |
| 23:01 | mtj | awesome, awesome stuff |
| 23:05 | jcamins, ill try and qa some of these new patches, realsoon | |
| 23:05 | jcamins | :) |
| 23:06 | Bug 8209 is pretty good for QA too. :) | |
| 23:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities |
| 23:07 | jcamins | Oh, also bug 2060 and bug 7475. |
| 23:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2060 enhancement, P3, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Ability to import Authorities from Staff Client |
| 23:07 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7475 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Option to overlay authorities | |
| 23:11 | wajasu | i will work on 8622. 8623 is signed off. 4048 is a dup. 8209 is signed off. |
| 23:12 | jcamins | wajasu: those were suggestions for mtj to QA. |
| 23:12 | mtj | thanks for your help, wajasu |
| 23:12 | wajasu | oh. |
| 23:13 | jcamins | This dal is missing something. |
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| 23:19 | wajasu | jcamins: is there a specific theme in your repo i should test? |
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| 23:24 | jcamins | wajasu: there are instructions on the bug. |
| 23:24 | @query mobile theme | |
| 23:24 | huginn | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8633 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Translate script hardcoded to prog template |
| 23:24 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Needs Signoff , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view | |
| 23:24 | jcamins | Bug 8597. |
| 23:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Needs Signoff , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view |
| 23:27 | wajasu | i see |
| 23:28 | mtj | meh i've hit some git-apply problems for patch on 8623 |
| 23:29 | i'd like to know how to best handle this situ | |
| 23:29 | 3way merge gives this error... | |
| 23:29 | fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (C4/Templates.pm). | |
| 23:29 | Repository lacks necessary blobs to fall back on 3-way merge. | |
| 23:29 | Cannot fall back to three-way merge. | |
| 23:29 | . | |
| 23:30 | jcamins | mtj: missing one of the dependencies. |
| 23:30 | mtj | the frustrating this is, the patch contains a 1 line change to C4/Templates.pm |
| 23:30 | s/this/thing/ | |
| 23:31 | so, its a patch git *shoudl* be able to handle ok-ish…. | |
| 23:31 | at least apply the change will some <<< === >>>> markers, so i can edit /correct later, etc.. | |
| 23:31 | jcamins_away | Weird. |
| 23:33 | And it worked perfectly for me. | |
| 23:33 | wajasu | i see. i need to apply 8622. test it. signoff. then apply bug_8597_theme, test it, and sign off on it. |
| 23:33 | jcamins_away | Right. |
| 23:33 | mtj | jcamins_away, this is on a new koha repo, too?! |
| 23:33 | jcamins_away | bug_8597_theme already contains all its dependencies. |
| 23:33 | mtj: just my github. | |
| 23:34 | mtj | no, i tested the patch on *my* new repo |
| 23:34 | jcamins_away | mtj: oh. |
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| 23:56 | wajasu | jcamins: i've got 8622 installed. and am moving around the site. i searched for a book. clicked on "Checkout history" tab on the left side, which i happen to have 3 books listed. the word PreviNext are ON TOP of the FIRST and LAST icons. |
| 23:56 | in the staff interface | |
| 23:57 | navigation widgets. | |
| 23:57 | is that the sort of thing i should be looking for in 8622 or is that an unrelated issue? | |
| 23:58 | jcamins_away | wajasu: nothing to do with 8622. |
| 23:58 | wajasu | i'll research that later. |
| 23:58 | jcamins_away | wajasu: it's the new theme. |
| 23:59 | I'd suggest that even an imperfect theme that supports mobile is an improvement. |
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