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| 00:09 | Judit joined #koha | |
| 00:09 | Judit | morning |
| 00:09 | did you know there is a facebook page for koha community? http://www.facebook.com/KOHA.COMMUNITY | |
| 00:39 | rangi | no i didnt |
| 00:39 | cool! | |
| 00:40 | looks like its for the place KOHA not Koha the ILS :) | |
| 00:41 | in malaysia | |
| 00:43 | Judit | there is akoha community cafe in victoria- again on facebook |
| 01:14 | melia left #koha | |
| 01:48 | Judit | http://www.facebook.com/pages/[…]Cafe/323847370751 |
| 01:49 | rangi | cool |
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| 02:16 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 04:12 | cait joined #koha | |
| 04:58 | mtompset | Greetings, cait |
| 04:58 | cait | hi mtompset :) |
| 05:00 | mtompset | Looks like I get to work on my Koha bugs today. |
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| 05:07 | cait | :) |
| 05:08 | mbalmer | guten morgen! |
| 05:10 | cait | guten morgen :) |
| 05:10 | mtompset | Greetings, mbalmer. |
| 05:21 | Question... does the copyright date have to have a period on the end? | |
| 05:22 | Do you know, cait? | |
| 05:22 | cait | hm not sure I have the right answer |
| 05:23 | if you stick to the standard very strictly - I think so | |
| 05:23 | needs a period | |
| 05:23 | but I think Koha doesn't care much if you don't | |
| 05:23 | it's more a matter of display than of anything else | |
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| 05:36 | mtompset | So, the next question... |
| 05:37 | Why do some have MARC displaying c1999. | |
| 05:37 | and some only have 2001? | |
| 05:37 | Where are the "c" and "." coming from? | |
| 05:37 | because even in 3.6.3 the copyrightdate is numeric only. | |
| 05:38 | cait | copyright |
| 05:38 | period because of the standard | |
| 05:38 | isbd punctuation | |
| 05:38 | and that is in marc, the other is the database | |
| 05:38 | the marcxml has c1999., the copyright column in the database has 1999 normalized | |
| 05:39 | mtompset | AH... so if the copyright column is null, it pulls it from the marcxml? |
| 05:39 | That makes sense in a bizarre way! | |
| 05:40 | cait | hm no not really |
| 05:40 | it depends on where you are looking | |
| 05:40 | which information koha pulls | |
| 05:40 | it's not exactly falling back afaik | |
| 05:42 | mtompset | well, there is a "normal" "marc" "labeled marc" etc. tabs on the left, I choose MARC after having done a search. |
| 05:42 | Go to the '2', so I can see 2XX fields. | |
| 05:42 | And look at 260$a and 260$c. | |
| 05:44 | sometimes I see c####. in 260$c, and sometimes I don't. | |
| 05:44 | I just did a random search now, and found ####. | |
| 05:44 | No c, just a period. | |
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| 05:46 | cait | yes |
| 05:46 | that's about cataloguing not koha | |
| 05:47 | marc21 standard | |
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| 05:47 | cait | http://loc.gov/marc |
| 05:47 | mib_h4c4fn | hey :) |
| 05:50 | cait | hi mib_h4c4fn |
| 05:52 | mib_h4c4fn | hey i have some questions about Call Number |
| 05:52 | =LDR ,=008 ,=020$a ,=041$a ,=100$a ,=245$a ,=260$a ,=260$b ,=260$c ,=300$a, =942$e | |
| 05:53 | i have records with these tags and i want to generate Call Numbers for them with the marc edit tool | |
| 05:54 | cait | mib_h4c4fn: sorry, I don't know marcedit well enough here |
| 05:54 | maybe look for a function to copy from oen field into another | |
| 05:54 | marcedit doesn't run on linux, so I can't use it | |
| 05:54 | mib_h4c4fn | its that i dont have the call numbers i want to generate them |
| 05:55 | so beside marc edit is there any way? | |
| 06:07 | mtompset | What do you mean you don't have the call numbers? You should know what they are, but they aren't in your MARC file, right? |
| 06:09 | I think... what was they tutorial link posted here yesterday? | |
| 06:09 | irc logs? | |
| 06:09 | wahanui | irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 06:10 | mtompset | http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]o-add-koha-items/ |
| 06:10 | Maybe this video will help? | |
| 06:10 | I'm not really familiar with MarcEdit either. | |
| 06:13 | You were right, cait. It doesn't fall back. It uses the marcxml to display/edit in that particular tab. | |
| 06:13 | It uses copyrightdate to display elsewhere. | |
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| 06:32 | mtompset | bonjour, sophie_m hdl :) |
| 06:33 | sophie_m | hi mtompset :-) |
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| 06:34 | mtompset | Is there a way to batch edit the marcxml? |
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| 06:40 | cait | brb |
| 06:45 | drojf | good morning #koha |
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| 06:59 | Joubu | hello #koha |
| 07:00 | ala_3vo | hi #koha, how do you do upgrade of koha? |
| 07:00 | francharb joined #koha | |
| 07:02 | ala_3vo | This is upgrading koha-common on debian squeeze. |
| 07:02 | francharb | hi #koha |
| 07:02 | drojf | ala_3vo: what version? |
| 07:02 | bonjour francharb | |
| 07:02 | ala_3vo | koha 3.6 to current version |
| 07:03 | francharb | guten tag drojf ;) |
| 07:03 | ala_3vo | I believe the current version is 3.9 |
| 07:03 | drojf | ala_3vo: the normal upgrade like with other packages. apt-get update; apt-get upgrade. or maybe apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:04 | ala_3vo | can I just apt-get install koha-common? |
| 07:04 | drojf | no, you already have it installed |
| 07:04 | so that won't work | |
| 07:04 | 3.8 is the latest version btw | |
| 07:05 | you should keep your system up to date anyway, so you should upgrade everything, not just the koha package | |
| 07:05 | ala_3vo | I have tried installing koha-common and have got koha 3.9 |
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| 07:05 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:05 | drojf | ala_3vo: that is the database version probably, the package should be 3.8.something |
| 07:07 | ala_3vo: do "sudo apt-get update". after that is run through, do "sudo apt-get upgrade". if you get a message that koha-common was held back, do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade". | |
| 07:07 | that should get you to the latest koha version | |
| 07:07 | and an up to date system in general | |
| 07:10 | ala_3vo | thanks drojf, I'll try that out. |
| 07:10 | * magnuse | waves from his little cabin in the woods |
| 07:11 | drojf | hei magnuse |
| 07:11 | magnuse | hiya drojf |
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| 07:20 | mtompset | Greetings, drojf and magnuse |
| 07:21 | Greetings, gaetan_B | |
| 07:21 | drojf | hey mtompset |
| 07:21 | wahanui | i guess mtompset is currently in the Philippines and is coding up a bash script storm in the midst of seasonal typhoons. |
| 07:21 | mtompset | Greetings, Joubu |
| 07:21 | gaetan_B | greetings mtompset :) |
| 07:21 | mtompset | It would be funnier and cooler to use 'and salutations', gaetan_B. ;) |
| 07:22 | rangi | evening |
| 07:23 | mtompset | afternoon, rangi. ;) |
| 07:23 | drojf | hi rangi |
| 07:23 | rangi | ala_3vo: if you are getting 3.9 then you need to check your sources.list you might have the development repository .. it shoulld be squeeze not squeeze-dev |
| 07:24 | * mtompset | is aware it is evening where you are. It's afternoon here. :) |
| 07:24 | magnuse | hiya mtompset gaetan_B rangi |
| 07:26 | gaetan_B | hello magnuse :) |
| 07:27 | ah mtompset, so what would it be where you are ? selamat something ? | |
| 07:27 | mtompset | Magandang hapon. |
| 07:28 | But I'm Canadian, so I'll take English. :) | |
| 07:30 | drojf | rangi: oh yes, forgot about a possible -dev package |
| 07:31 | mtompset | Salamat is thank you. |
| 07:31 | However, depending on relationship closeness and/or age differences, you usually add "po" to show respect. | |
| 07:32 | drojf | so our translation po-files are very respectful? i like that |
| 07:33 | mtompset | That is a thought that crossed my mind when I first saw that. |
| 07:33 | drojf | :) |
| 07:34 | mtompset | But after getting frustrated with them one day, I considered the possibility that they missed an o. ;) |
| 07:34 | drojf | hahaha |
| 07:35 | gaetan_B | :d |
| 07:35 | mtompset | Is there a koha library way of running through the biblionumbers? Or do I have to open the DB myself? |
| 07:37 | sophie_m | mtompset: with a report ? |
| 07:37 | mtompset | No, as a perl script I'm writing. |
| 07:40 | drojf | isn't there a touch-all-biblios script or something? maybe have a look at that |
| 07:51 | mib_h4c4fn | sorry i wasnt here .....no i dont have the Call Numbers.....the marc edit tool has a function which Generate Call Numbers for you .. i want to know how to use that...or how should i make call numbers for my recored? |
| 07:51 | records* | |
| 07:52 | rangi | you might be better off asking on the marcedit mailing list |
| 07:53 | ive never used it | |
| 08:01 | ala_3vo | I have tried sudo apt-get update", "sudo apt-get upgrade" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to upgrade koha 3.6 to latest version but it is still 3.6. Anything I missed? |
| 08:02 | rangi | it wont be 3.6 |
| 08:02 | it will be 3.6.something | |
| 08:02 | is it 3.6.7 ? | |
| 08:03 | try this | |
| 08:03 | ala_3vo | 3.06.04.000 |
| 08:03 | rangi | sounds to me like your sources.list is messed up |
| 08:03 | apt-cache policy koha-common | |
| 08:03 | then use | |
| 08:03 | paste? | |
| 08:03 | wahanui | it has been said that paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 08:03 | rangi | that url to paste the output |
| 08:04 | mtompset | OR... |
| 08:04 | did you pin it? | |
| 08:05 | rangi | mtompset: lets just try one thing first eh |
| 08:05 | mtompset | True... just thought I'd mention it, lest someone forget that possibility. |
| 08:05 | rangi | what i asked him to try would tell us if it was pinned anyway |
| 08:07 | apt-cache policy is very very handy | |
| 08:08 | pastebot | "rangi" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "my apt-cache output" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/98 |
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| 08:09 | ala_3vo | koha-common: Installed: 3.6.4-1 Candidate: 3.8.3.1-1 Version table: 3.8.3.1-1 0 500 http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/ squeeze/main i386 Packages *** 3.6.4-1 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 08:10 | rangi | try this |
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| 08:10 | rangi | sudo apt-get install koha-common |
| 08:10 | that is if you want to go to 3.8.3 | |
| 08:10 | if you want to go to 3.6.7 | |
| 08:11 | you can change your sources.list file | |
| 08:11 | mib_vh4gd4 | am really sorry i got disconnected im the one who was asking about call number |
| 08:11 | rangi | 19:52 < rangi> you might be better off asking on the marcedit mailing list |
| 08:11 | 19:53 < rangi> ive never used it | |
| 08:11 | is what i said when you asked | |
| 08:11 | ala_3vo | I've got broken packages |
| 08:12 | rangi | there ya go, thats why it wouldnt update |
| 08:12 | apt-get -f install | |
| 08:12 | you are missing a dependency i bet | |
| 08:13 | ala_3vo | Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required: libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 08:14 | rangi | ala_3vo: its better if you use http://paste.koha-community.org/ |
| 08:14 | to paste things | |
| 08:14 | * drojf | hits the shower |
| 08:14 | rangi | can you try the apt-get install koha-common again |
| 08:14 | and paste the output of that | |
| 08:14 | you are running debian squeeze eh? | |
| 08:16 | ala_3vo | yes |
| 08:16 | have you seen the paste? | |
| 08:16 | rangi | no |
| 08:17 | whats the url? | |
| 08:17 | wahanui | rumour has it the url is horrid :) |
| 08:18 | ala_3vo | I'm new to the paste, how to I do it? |
| 08:19 | magnuse | paste? |
| 08:19 | wahanui | rumour has it paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 08:19 | magnuse | ala_3vo: go to that url and fill in the info it asks for |
| 08:19 | ala_3vo | thanks magnuse |
| 08:20 | ok, it should be there | |
| 08:21 | rangi | did you choose the channel to be #koha |
| 08:22 | ala_3vo | rangi, I believe I've send it |
| 08:24 | rangi | you mustnt have chosen the channel or pastebot would have told us the url |
| 08:24 | what is the url of the page you are now looking at? | |
| 08:25 | ala_3vo | http://paste.koha-community.or[…]bmit=Format+it%21 |
| 08:26 | mtompset | You are using debian, right? |
| 08:26 | ala_3vo | yes |
| 08:27 | debian squeeze 6 | |
| 08:27 | rangi | those packages should be in there |
| 08:27 | what does | |
| 08:28 | apt-cache policy libtest-strict-perl | |
| 08:28 | say? | |
| 08:28 | ala_3vo | libtest-strict-perl: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table: |
| 08:28 | * mtompset | notices how useful apt-cache policy is becoming in this debugging process. |
| 08:29 | rangi | hmmm |
| 08:29 | that should be in squeeze/main | |
| 08:30 | can you do | |
| 08:30 | cat /etc/apt/sources.list | |
| 08:30 | mtompset | something has to be wrong with sources.list and sources.list.d/* |
| 08:30 | rangi | yep |
| 08:32 | ala_3vo | http://paste.koha-community.or[…]bmit=Format+it%21 |
| 08:32 | the paste of sources.list | |
| 08:33 | rangi | i wonder if the ihug mirror is out of date |
| 08:35 | http://debian.ihug.co.nz/debia[…]test-strict-perl/ | |
| 08:36 | apt-cache policy libtest-strict-perl | |
| 08:36 | libtest-strict-perl: | |
| 08:36 | Installed: (none) | |
| 08:36 | Candidate: 0.14-1 | |
| 08:36 | Version table: | |
| 08:36 | 0.14-1 0 | |
| 08:36 | not sure whats up, the apt-get update succeeded eh? | |
| 08:36 | ala_3vo | there was an error |
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| 08:37 | ala_3vo | can that be firewall issue? |
| 08:37 | rangi | where in nz are you anyway? |
| 08:37 | i wont know unless you show us the error :) | |
| 08:37 | ala_3vo | I'm in the solomon islands |
| 08:38 | magnuse | ala_3vo: if you set 1 channel = #koha, 2. your nick = ala_3vo, 3. summary = some description of what you paste -- then the url of what you pasted be automagically visible here :-) |
| 08:38 | rangi | ahhhh, thats right i met you a while back :) |
| 08:39 | ala_3vo | it says unable to fetch file. |
| 08:39 | rangi | ah ha |
| 08:40 | yep thats the problem, you could try this | |
| 08:41 | ala_3vo | rangi, that must be a different person |
| 08:41 | I'm really new with koha | |
| 08:41 | mveron | Hi everybody #koha |
| 08:41 | rangi | ala_3vo: didn't you visit nz for some training? |
| 08:41 | drojf | hi mveron |
| 08:41 | mveron | hi drojf |
| 08:41 | ala_3vo | yes, 2 months ago |
| 08:42 | rangi | ala_3vo:yep i met you then |
| 08:42 | robin was doing the training | |
| 08:42 | drojf | heh rangi nows everybody related to koha |
| 08:42 | ala_3vo | okay, yes that right. |
| 08:42 | rangi | ala_3vo: do you have a text editor you prefer? |
| 08:42 | ala_3vo | gedit |
| 08:43 | rangi | ok |
| 08:43 | sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list | |
| 08:43 | change this line | |
| 08:43 | wahanui | rangi: that doesn't look right |
| 08:43 | rangi | deb ftp://debian.ihug.co.nz/debian/ squeeze main contrib |
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| 08:43 | rangi | to be |
| 08:43 | deb http://debian.ihug.co.nz/debian/ squeeze main contrib | |
| 08:43 | then save the file | |
| 08:43 | and try apt-get update again | |
| 08:46 | eythian joined #koha | |
| 08:47 | mtompset | that wouldn't make sense, because then all your apt-get stuff would fail, not just selected items. |
| 08:47 | Never mind... I had scrolled back. :) | |
| 08:47 | magnuse | @wunder Honiara |
| 08:47 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Honiara, Solomon Islands is 27.0°C (7:00 PM SBT on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling). |
| 08:50 | rangi | hey eythian |
| 08:50 | wahanui | eythian is, like, in NZ. ;) or a good influence |
| 08:50 | eythian | hello |
| 08:50 | ala_3vo | I stll have error messages |
| 08:51 | * eythian | is just getting set up in Konstanz |
| 08:51 | mtompset | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:51 | huginn | mtompset: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 21.7°C (10:50 AM CEST on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:51 | mtompset | Sounds like a nice day there. |
| 08:52 | drojf | @wunder berlin |
| 08:52 | eythian | it is. Looks like it'll warm up a bit more too. |
| 08:52 | huginn | drojf: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:52 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 08:52 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 20.2°C (10:42 AM CEST on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:52 | eythian | Berlin is a myth |
| 08:52 | drojf | heh |
| 08:53 | mtompset | @wunder london |
| 08:53 | huginn | mtompset: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:53 | * mtompset | laughs, "as it london." |
| 08:53 | mtompset | as IS London. |
| 08:53 | @wunder london, ontario | |
| 08:53 | huginn | mtompset: The current temperature in Woodfield, London, Ontario is 18.0°C (4:53 AM EDT on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:53 | rangi | ala_3vo: ok, you could try this instead |
| 08:53 | change that line to | |
| 08:53 | wahanui | rangi: that doesn't look right |
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| 08:54 | rangi | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib |
| 08:58 | ala_3vo | Err ftp://debian.ihug.co.nz squeeze/updates/contrib Sources Unable to connect to debian.ihug.co.nz:ftp: |
| 08:59 | rangi | change that one to http too please instead of ftp |
| 08:59 | wahanui | rangi: that doesn't look right |
| 08:59 | wahanui joined #koha | |
| 08:59 | rangi | eythian: we really should fix wahanui |
| 09:00 | eythian | yeah, I'm not sure what it's responding to there. |
| 09:00 | rangi | i think its change |
| 09:00 | change something | |
| 09:00 | wahanui | rangi: that doesn't look right |
| 09:00 | wahanui joined #koha | |
| 09:00 | rangi | yep thats it |
| 09:00 | eythian | looks like |
| 09:00 | I assume you can say "change something to something else" | |
| 09:01 | ala_3vo | its done |
| 09:01 | drojf | change wahanui |
| 09:01 | wahanui | drojf: that doesn't look right |
| 09:01 | wahanui joined #koha | |
| 09:01 | eythian | wahanui: something |
| 09:01 | wahanui | eythian: sorry... |
| 09:01 | eythian | wahanui: something is something |
| 09:01 | wahanui | ...but something is <reply>... |
| 09:01 | ala_3vo | rangi can I apt-get install koha-common now |
| 09:01 | eythian | no wahanui, something is something |
| 09:01 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 09:02 | eythian | wahanui: something |
| 09:02 | wahanui | somebody said something was something |
| 09:02 | eythian | change something to something else |
| 09:02 | wahanui | eythian: that doesn't look right |
| 09:02 | wahanui joined #koha | |
| 09:02 | eythian | or not. |
| 09:02 | wahanui: forget something | |
| 09:02 | wahanui | eythian: I forgot something |
| 09:02 | rangi | ala_3vo: did the apt-get update suceed? |
| 09:02 | ala_3vo | yes |
| 09:02 | thanks | |
| 09:02 | rangi | yep, give it a whirl now |
| 09:03 | drojf | wahanui: forget change |
| 09:03 | wahanui | drojf: I forgot change |
| 09:03 | drojf | change wahanui |
| 09:03 | wahanui | drojf: that doesn't look right |
| 09:03 | wahanui joined #koha | |
| 09:03 | drojf | hm |
| 09:03 | he lives in his own world | |
| 09:04 | ala_3vo | rangi, how do I upgrade? |
| 09:04 | rangi | apt-get upgrade |
| 09:04 | wahanui | well, apt-get upgrade is a lot easier ;-) |
| 09:05 | ala_3vo | okay, thanks for the tip. |
| 09:07 | rangi | no problem, it's all working now? |
| 09:08 | ala_3vo | rangi Yes, its upgrading now. |
| 09:10 | Thanks wahanui, rangi, and #koha. Its 8 pm now in the solomons. | |
| 09:10 | rangi | cool |
| 09:11 | ala_3vo | see you again...have to leave |
| 09:14 | magnuse | rangi++ |
| 09:16 | rangi | south pacific solidarity :) |
| 09:17 | eythian | did you get it working? |
| 09:19 | rangi | apparently so |
| 09:19 | at least it was upgrading when he left | |
| 09:20 | eythian | Ok cool. Still not sure how he managed to not have backups. |
| 09:20 | rangi | yeah, me either |
| 09:22 | mtompset | rangi++ |
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| 09:27 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 09:27 | rangi | hi kf |
| 09:28 | eythian | hi kf |
| 09:29 | kf | that is weird. |
| 09:56 | this feels a bit like scotland | |
| 09:57 | eythian | heh |
| 09:57 | 'cept the weather is better | |
| 09:59 | kf | true |
| 09:59 | francharb | kf, hi |
| 10:00 | kf, I can't log in to my pootle account | |
| 10:00 | kf | ok |
| 10:00 | let me check | |
| 10:00 | what's your user name? | |
| 10:00 | francharb | francharb |
| 10:00 | wahanui | francharb falls asleep easily at sea. Don't believe me? Just ask Brooke. |
| 10:01 | kf | ok, did you do something? |
| 10:01 | requesting a new password maybe? | |
| 10:01 | francharb | kf yep |
| 10:01 | yep | |
| 10:01 | and created a new account | |
| 10:01 | kf | hm |
| 10:01 | It seems emailing is broken | |
| 10:01 | maybe we should file a bug | |
| 10:01 | francharb | but I didn't get the confirmation email |
| 10:01 | kf | I had to manually activate lotsof accounts recently |
| 10:02 | francharb | kf, report a bug on the pootle project? |
| 10:02 | kf | yep |
| 10:02 | would be cool if you could file a bug for fredericd | |
| 10:02 | ok | |
| 10:02 | I see 2 accounts for you | |
| 10:02 | francharb. | |
| 10:02 | wahanui | francharb falls asleep easily at sea. Don't believe me? Just ask Brooke. |
| 10:03 | kf | and francharb |
| 10:03 | wahanui | francharb falls asleep easily at sea. Don't believe me? Just ask Brooke. |
| 10:03 | kf | want me to delete one? |
| 10:03 | the one with the dot? | |
| 10:03 | francharb | yep |
| 10:03 | yes please | |
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| 10:08 | mtompset | francharb |
| 10:08 | wahanui | francharb falls asleep easily at sea. Don't believe me? Just ask Brooke. |
| 10:08 | mtompset | brooke |
| 10:08 | wahanui | |
| 10:08 | wahanui | mtompset? |
| 10:08 | mtompset | mtompset |
| 10:08 | wahanui | you are probably currently in the Philippines and is coding up a bash script storm in the midst of seasonal typhoons. |
| 10:09 | mtompset | bash |
| 10:09 | francharb | kf, I will write fredericd about this, maybe the problem doesn"t come from pootle... |
| 10:09 | kf | francharb: I think it's pootle |
| 10:09 | or he will know how email is set up | |
| 10:09 | sorry had a phone call | |
| 10:10 | francharb | no problem |
| 10:10 | kf, it looks like this one : http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137 | |
| 10:10 | huginn | 04Bug 137: normal, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED MOVED, It's hard (impossible?) to delete a biblioitem which has no items. |
| 10:11 | francharb | Bug 137 - Mail not sent to registered users |
| 10:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=137 normal, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED MOVED, It's hard (impossible?) to delete a biblioitem which has no items. |
| 10:11 | kf | hm |
| 10:11 | I had 3 or 4 people reporting the problem and this seems to be an old version of pootle | |
| 10:11 | I mean the bug is old | |
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| 10:11 | kf | I am not sure it's the same problem |
| 10:12 | user2 | hi |
| 10:12 | eythian | The bug is a mail server misconfiguration, not a pootle issue |
| 10:12 | kf | oh and try again |
| 10:12 | I deleted francharb. and activated francharb - check if permissions work | |
| 10:12 | eythian: yeah but mail configuraton on the pootle server maybe? | |
| 10:13 | eythian | quite possible, but either way, the bug is not going to help you. |
| 10:13 | francharb | kf, thanks a lot, it works! |
| 10:15 | user2 | i have enabled autobarcode generate in the form <branch code> yy mm 0001 |
| 10:16 | now we have reached NLC12089999 | |
| 10:17 | the bar code now is reset to NLC12080001 which can not be also saved because it exist | |
| 10:17 | any solution ? | |
| 10:24 | kf | user2: I think that's a problem with the barcode schema |
| 10:24 | if you get more than 9999 books in a month, it's a problem | |
| 10:26 | user2 | kf, we are implemented kohs this month and started cataloguing |
| 10:26 | s/kohs/koha | |
| 10:27 | we have more than 2lakhs books | |
| 10:29 | mtompset | I'd spend the rest of the day making sure the barcodes are affixed to the items. 9999 items per day is pretty productive. |
| 10:30 | Oh... yy mm... yuck./ | |
| 10:31 | user2 | mtompset, not in one day, we have started two weeks before |
| 10:31 | * mtompset | nods. |
| 10:31 | user2 | but the autobarcode reset to 0001 after reaching 9999 |
| 10:31 | mtompset | Isn't there another automatic barcode scheme that you could have chosen? |
| 10:34 | user2 | other forms are "generated in the form <year>001, <year>002." and "generated in the form 1,2,3." |
| 10:34 | but we have already choose <branch code> yymm0001 | |
| 10:35 | is this the limitation in autobarcode | |
| 10:52 | is there anyway to increase the limit in autobarcode generator ? | |
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| 11:04 | kf_lunch | user2: you get a new range of numbers next month |
| 11:11 | rangi | /ws 28 |
| 11:11 | heh | |
| 11:11 | jcamins | Shouldn't you be asleep? |
| 11:12 | user2 | so we have to wait for next month kf_lunch |
| 11:12 | kf | I think it should turnover next month yes |
| 11:12 | but we don't have a library using it | |
| 11:13 | eythian | is there another value you could bump up temporarily? |
| 11:13 | If not, you're constrained by the format you chose really. | |
| 11:13 | kf | maybe you could cheat and pretend it was already next month? |
| 11:13 | like create the first number for september? | |
| 11:14 | I am not sure it woudl count up then | |
| 11:14 | jcamins | It would not. |
| 11:14 | user2 | lib/C4/Barcodes/hbyymmincr.pm , can we edit and increase the $width |
| 11:15 | $width = 4;# FIXME: 4 is too small for sizeable or multi-branch libraries. | |
| 11:15 | jcamins | Not there. |
| 11:15 | The barcode is actually handled by cataloguing/value_builder/barcode.pl. | |
| 11:15 | user2 | ok |
| 11:15 | jcamins | If you change the code, though, you'll have to rebarcode everything. |
| 11:18 | user2 | jcamins, so i there any solution for now we can do |
| 11:19 | jcamins | user2: you could use the autobarcode scheme that just counts up. |
| 11:19 | That would not require you to do any rebarcoding. | |
| 11:20 | user2 | jcamins, generated in the form <year>001, <year>002." OR "generated in the form 1,2,3." ? |
| 11:20 | jcamins | user2: 1, 2, 3, etc. |
| 11:21 | user2 | now we are using "generated in the form <branch code> yymm0001" |
| 11:22 | and finished 9999 , so if we change to 1,2,3 etc , will it affect the existing records? , need rebarcode whole things ? | |
| 11:23 | jcamins | No, you won't have to rebarcode. |
| 11:23 | With any other scheme you will. | |
| 11:25 | user2 | jcamins, so for a library which catalogues more than 10,000 in a month(mostly the beginning time), it is not recommended using in the form <branch code> yymm0001, right ? |
| 11:26 | jcamins | Right. |
| 11:26 | user2 | ohh... thank you very much jcamins , and thank you all members for supporting |
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| 11:38 | mbalmer | mveron? |
| 11:38 | wahanui | mveron is from switzerland, a koha developer and creating some nice new features! |
| 11:38 | mveron | mbalmer? |
| 11:38 | wahanui | i heard mbalmer was DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS!!!!! |
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| 12:18 | clrh | I am trying to package the new koct plugin (with translations) |
| 12:18 | in the manifest of firefox addon I have a wrong mail - what should I put ? koha-devellists.koha-community.org ? |
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| 12:43 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:43 | tcohen | hi oleonard |
| 12:46 | mbalmer | @wahanui forget mbalmer |
| 12:46 | huginn | mbalmer: downloading the Perl source |
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| 13:01 | * mtompset | liked the DEVELOPERS! 3x bit. |
| 13:04 | mbalmer | but it was wrong. that ballmer has two 'l's |
| 13:05 | (and probably more '$', too) | |
| 13:10 | oleonard | mbalmer: If you want to talk directly to someone, including wahanui, you can't use the @ |
| 13:10 | The @ is only used for some commands (@later for instance) | |
| 13:10 | wahanui: forget mbalmer | |
| 13:10 | wahanui | oleonard: I forgot mbalmer |
| 13:10 | mbalmer | oh, I see |
| 13:10 | eythian | IRC predates twitter. |
| 13:10 | mbalmer | thanks, oleonard! |
| 13:11 | eythian | I also don't understand why people are so often talking about channels without saying what server they're on. |
| 13:11 | oleonard | I think some chat protocols use the @ differently? I assume mbalmer is not using Twitter syntax. |
| 13:11 | eythian: ? | |
| 13:11 | jcamins | eythian: there's only one #koha. :) |
| 13:11 | eythian | oleonard: so far as I know, twitter originated the @username convention. |
| 13:12 | jcamins: I mean tv shows putting a #something on the screen, they never say what server it's on! | |
| 13:12 | oleonard | Oh, okay. |
| 13:12 | jcamins | eythian: lol |
| 13:12 | mbalmer | the next edition of 'SAB Info', the Swiss journal for librarians, will contain an article on Koha (written by mveron & co.) |
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| 13:13 | mtompset | Hey, in the last Canadian election, Jack Layton (may he rest in peace) even talked about the government's actions being a #fail. ;) |
| 13:13 | Twitter is quite invasive of culture. :) | |
| 13:14 | oleonard | Culture is invasive. |
| 13:15 | Or more accurately, diffusive. | |
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| 13:27 | kf | mbalmer: cool :) not sure if we are subscribed to that - will it be available online too? maybe later? |
| 13:28 | mbalmer | I don't know, but I can get you a copy for sure |
| 13:28 | kf | clrh++ |
| 13:29 | clrh | kf :) I just did a clone + zip command + upload hum |
| 13:30 | (little thinks are important too, ok) | |
| 13:30 | jcamins | clrh++ |
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| 13:32 | kf | clrh: yep, little things are important :) |
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| 13:32 | eythian | http://wtfnasa.com/ |
| 13:33 | magnuse | clrh++ |
| 13:34 | jcamins | magnuse: how are you planning on implementing the digital signs? |
| 13:34 | It was under discussion yesterday after you'd left. :) | |
| 13:35 | magnuse | oh, i better read the log then, 1 sec |
| 13:35 | jcamins | I said I thought you were planning on doing a theme so that it would work on a kiosk. That was actually all the discussion. |
| 13:35 | * oleonard | reads digital signs and thinks of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2[…]Boston_bomb_scare |
| 13:37 | clrh | Joubu: "For new files, I think a best practice is to use "use Modern::Perl" instead of "use strict; use warnings; But nothing is written on the wiki. You are free to keep these lines." 7417#c13 I thought it was really a new practice (already discussed) |
| 13:37 | jcamins | clrh: I switched to Modern::Perl. |
| 13:38 | If I missed a file, let me know and I'll fix it. | |
| 13:39 | clrh | jcamins: ok - just reading the discussion, didn't seen last comments |
| 13:39 | jcamins | clrh: ah, yes, there is a lot of discussion. :) |
| 13:40 | kf: I don't see any links in the cart e-mails right now. | |
| 13:40 | magnuse | jcamins: hm, can't find it in the logs. but the plan is to use jqm on a single page that will be the signs. so not a new theme per se |
| 13:40 | Joubu | clrh: coding guidelines (http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_Guidelines#Perl) say we have to use strict and warnings. It's not mandatory to use Modern::Perl |
| 13:40 | kf | which patch did you apply? |
| 13:40 | clrh | ok |
| 13:40 | jcamins | None yet. |
| 13:40 | kf | yep |
| 13:40 | there are no links at all now | |
| 13:41 | but thelayout is broken if you have records with and without items mixed | |
| 13:41 | so the first bug fixes the layout - offering 2 different ways, the second fixes the links | |
| 13:45 | jcamins | magnuse: and you'll just not use any of the standard includes + disable navigation? |
| 13:46 | magnuse | jcamins: i think that is my plan, yes :-) |
| 13:46 | in a way it will be a bit like the sco screen | |
| 13:47 | jcamins | MAkes sense. |
| 13:47 | *Makes | |
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| 13:47 | magnuse | oh it does? good! ;-) |
| 13:47 | jcamins | I need a kiosk interface which doesn't allow logins, but does include all search functionality, so I'm kind of stuck with a theme. |
| 13:48 | kf: I like the second better. | |
| 13:48 | By a lot. | |
| 13:48 | The first is hideous. | |
| 13:48 | :) | |
| 13:48 | magnuse | jcamins and kf: which bug are you talking about? |
| 13:49 | jcamins | bug 8621. |
| 13:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8621 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Template for sending out carts not formatting correctly |
| 13:49 | jcamins | Option A was "the way we've always had it only working." |
| 13:49 | Option B is "let's make it look good *and* work." | |
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| 13:52 | kf | hm actually option b is closer to our old layout I think |
| 13:53 | jcamins | Well, option A is like it was right before I signed off. |
| 13:54 | bornie21 | hey guys I am having problems with Zebra cron job settings.If I manually rebuild the indexes are updated but the cron is nt running any help |
| 13:54 | jcamins | kf: I found a problem. |
| 13:54 | The subject of the e-mail: Ihr Korb=20= | |
| 13:55 | kf | oh interesting |
| 13:55 | wahanui | interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 13:55 | kf | that didn't happen for me |
| 13:55 | i wonder if you are not supposed to use it for the subject - but shouldn't it all be the same encoding? | |
| 13:56 | and it didn't happen in my tests this morning. hm. | |
| 13:56 | * jcamins | doesn't know. |
| 13:56 | eythian | there's some oddball stuff to do with encoding and subjects I think |
| 13:56 | kf | eythian: if you have a suggestion I am all ears - I have been googling and searching around a lot about this |
| 13:56 | but not much wiser than before | |
| 13:56 | eythian | To use Unicode in email subject lines and email addresses two different standards need to be used to retrofit the handling of non-ASCII data to the originally ASCII-only email protocol: |
| 13:56 | RFC 2047 provides support for encoding non-ASCII values such as real names and subject lines in email headers | |
| 13:56 | RFC 3490 provides support for encoding non-ASCII domain names in the Domain Name System | |
| 13:57 | http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]-encoding-problem <-- also this | |
| 13:58 | basically, the formatting of the body doesn't apply to the subject | |
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| 14:04 | jcamins | By removing the encode_qp, I get it to work. |
| 14:04 | But if the subject had actual accented characters, I expect it would not work. | |
| 14:05 | oleonard | SQL reports require date parameters to be input formatted as ISO. Do guided reports? |
| 14:05 | * oleonard | is working on Bug 8596 |
| 14:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8596 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Reports interface date picker doesn't force ISO formatted dates |
| 14:06 | jcamins | Hm. No problem with simple diacritics. |
| 14:06 | oleonard | Or does a "regular" guided report even let you enter runtime parameters? |
| 14:07 | wizzyrea | oleonard: I think it does |
| 14:07 | it has options for it in the drop downs | |
| 14:07 | also hi | |
| 14:07 | eythian | jcamins: make sure you test a couple of email clients. Some are a bit more stupid than others. |
| 14:07 | jcamins | Works with Russian. |
| 14:07 | eythian: ooh, good call. | |
| 14:07 | That's going to be tricky. | |
| 14:07 | Who has multiple e-mail clients set up? | |
| 14:08 | wizzyrea | which ones do you want |
| 14:08 | oleonard | Saying some email clients are more stupid than others is the understatement of the 21st century. |
| 14:08 | jcamins | wizzyrea: Outlook-y ones and Thunderbird-y ones. |
| 14:09 | eythian | jcamins: I have a thunderbird-y one handy. |
| 14:09 | You might even call it thunderbird... | |
| 14:09 | jcamins | eythian: excellent. Your regular e-mail address good? |
| 14:09 | eythian | jup |
| 14:10 | wizzyrea | i have a mac mail-y one |
| 14:10 | but no outlook :( | |
| 14:10 | * oleonard | can offer to test a crappy webmail one |
| 14:10 | jcamins | You should have an e-mail with an Arabic subject in your box right about now, eythian. |
| 14:10 | oleonard: I'll take it. Your usual e-mail? | |
| 14:10 | oleonard | There goes eythian's security clearance |
| 14:11 | wizzyrea | heh |
| 14:11 | oleonard | jcamins: owenczechprimer.org |
| 14:11 | eythian | oleonard: no, .nz is OK with that kind of thing :) |
| 14:11 | jcamins | oleonard: gesendet. :) |
| 14:12 | Oh, err, I'm probably the only one who can read the Arabic to confirm it came through correctly. | |
| 14:12 | It should look like this: http://translate.google.com/#en/ar/Your%20library | |
| 14:12 | eythian | if it's wrong, it'll look quite bad |
| 14:12 | wizzyrea | JING |
| 14:12 | eythian | although it still hasn't arrived... |
| 14:12 | jcamins | eythian: yeah, that's my theory. |
| 14:13 | Ah, this is problematic. | |
| 14:13 | I have a non-static IP. | |
| 14:13 | I can' | |
| 14:13 | t e-mail anyone but myself... | |
| 14:13 | eythian | ah, that may be an issue |
| 14:14 | jcamins | Um. |
| 14:14 | I'll try forwarding. | |
| 14:15 | No, it re-encodes. | |
| 14:15 | Phooey. | |
| 14:15 | clrh | khall: hello, question about bug 8015 - did you plan to sign off Joubu 's followup ? |
| 14:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8015 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add MARC Modifications Templates |
| 14:16 | kf | jcamins: :( |
| 14:16 | I can test outlook... but you have to mail me :( | |
| 14:16 | khall | clrh: indeed. Will do |
| 14:16 | clrh | ok thanks ;) |
| 14:16 | jcamins | kf: I can't mail you because of the spam filters. |
| 14:17 | kf | for along time umlauts wouldn't work in some of our messages - like the checkin notice. It should be Rückgabequittung in German |
| 14:17 | not sure if we ever got tofix that | |
| 14:17 | probably a different bug make all our mails work the same... :( | |
| 14:18 | jcamins | Wait, I think I found the problem. |
| 14:18 | Well... wow. | |
| 14:18 | THat didn't help. | |
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| 14:21 | kf | hm, that link looks interesting: http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]-encoding-problem |
| 14:21 | I guess we are missing some of that | |
| 14:23 | jcamins | I don't see how to get it to work. |
| 14:23 | eythian | the instructions on setting up SIP seem to be terribly unclear :/ |
| 14:23 | jcamins | I guess I can sign off on the patches as "better than before." |
| 14:23 | wizzyrea | don't they. sure wish they were properly in the manual. |
| 14:24 | eythian | wizzyrea: yeah. Things like "The expected response is '941'". I'm getting '940' and I don't know what that means. |
| 14:25 | wizzyrea | oh boy. |
| 14:25 | kf | jcamins: can you remove the encoding frm the subject line? |
| 14:26 | just delete the encode_pq | |
| 14:26 | jcamins | kf: that works with gmail, but probably nothing else. |
| 14:26 | However, perhaps that's the best option. | |
| 14:26 | And we can try to fix the subject further. | |
| 14:27 | kf | it's the way the list does it |
| 14:27 | so it would be consistent within koha | |
| 14:27 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]caddda99ff89d9ffc | |
| 14:27 | see here | |
| 14:28 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 14:29 | I'll amend your commit to remove the extra encode_qp. | |
| 14:33 | Signed off. | |
| 14:33 | kf | thank yo |
| 14:33 | u | |
| 14:35 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.8.3 and 3.6.7 Now Available | Koha Community Website - http://www.koha-community.org/ | General IRC meeting, 5 September 2012 at 18:00 UTC+0 | |
| 14:41 | eythian | Oh good, if I put a 'die' into the sip server code to trace things, it doesn't get logged anywhere. |
| 14:43 | magnuse | have fun #koha |
| 14:44 | kf | eythian: hm not in the sip logs I assume? |
| 14:44 | eythian | that was the first place I looked :) |
| 14:44 | kf | eythian: what are you working on? |
| 14:44 | eythian | making SIP work |
| 14:44 | kf | I thought it did :) |
| 14:45 | eythian | it isn't for me, or it is and I can't tell because it's under-documented. |
| 14:49 | fredericd | kf: which languages have you added to pottle 3.8 project? |
| 14:49 | wizzyrea | what isn't working? |
| 14:49 | * jcamins | waves to fredericd. |
| 14:50 | eythian | wizzyrea: login, it was returning a status code that isn't what is "expected" |
| 14:50 | I think I know what it is though... | |
| 14:50 | mveron | Hi again #koha |
| 14:51 | fredericd: We added German (Swiss) de-CH http://translate.koha-community.org/de_CH/38/ | |
| 14:52 | * mveron | has to head to the door, somebody calling... |
| 14:52 | fredericd | jcamins: waves have non-metaphoric meaning for me during vacation |
| 14:52 | jcamins | fredericd: ooh, lucky you! |
| 14:52 | fredericd | mveron++ |
| 14:52 | jcamins | Ah, yes, string freeze. |
| 14:52 | I need to announce that. | |
| 14:53 | Actually, 3.6.x is basically frozen now since I won't consider any further patches. | |
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| 14:53 | druthb | o/ |
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| 14:54 | fredericd | jcamins: Is 3.6.x .po files update really required? |
| 14:54 | kf | fredericd: only de-CH is new, de_ch in pootle I think, and I added fi-FI to 3.8 - was already there for older versions |
| 14:55 | eythian | ah yep. Handy hint: if you forget to create the staff user for SIP to use, it doesn't tell you what's wrong. |
| 14:55 | * jcamins | cheers at the druthb sighting. |
| 14:55 | jcamins | fredericd: good question. |
| 14:55 | I'll check, but now that you mention it, I suspect not. | |
| 14:55 | kf | hi druthb :) |
| 14:56 | * druthb | goes :P at jcamins |
| 14:56 | eythian | hiya druthb |
| 14:56 | druthb | hi, kf and eythian! :) |
| 14:57 | * wizzyrea | waves at druthb |
| 14:57 | jcamins | fredericd: not really, no. |
| 14:57 | * kf | has eythian sitting next door now, it's weird to see him write something here :) |
| 14:58 | jcamins | Lucky kf! |
| 14:58 | druthb | hi, wizzyrea! :) |
| 14:58 | lucky eythian, too! | |
| 14:58 | oleonard | Long time no see druthb |
| 14:58 | jcamins | Of course! |
| 14:58 | * jcamins | whispers something to kf about eythian's work on localizing the packages. :D |
| 14:58 | * eythian | will have to buy a nerf gun or something to take advantage of this situation. |
| 14:58 | * druthb | has been kinda stealthy for a while. |
| 14:59 | kf | ah right... yeah I have to lock him up in there until it's done... eh...I meant buy him chocolate... and try other bribery |
| 14:59 | fredericd | jcamins: thks. Great. It will help me a lot (very poor internet access) |
| 15:00 | kf | eythian: good that I don't actually see you then |
| 15:05 | jcamins: hope it was ok with the languages. | |
| 15:05 | hm | |
| 15:05 | jcamins | kf: what? |
| 15:05 | kf | I mean fredericd: hope it was ok to add the languages |
| 15:05 | jcamins | kf: your patches worked fine, except for the subject. |
| 15:06 | kf | jcamins: I think we will have to figure out how the subject works, but probably can't do that today |
| 15:06 | maybe new bug? | |
| 15:06 | jcamins | I don't think it's that critical... it's *always* been broken. |
| 15:08 | kf | yeah |
| 15:08 | the patches should be an improvement I hope - not breaking soemthing that wasn't before | |
| 15:08 | jcamins | I think the are. |
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| 15:12 | jcamins | So I guess the question is whether there has been any further translation on 3.6.x since 3.6.7. |
| 15:13 | Looks like Danish, Lao, Tetun, and Finnish have all be updated since 3.6.7. | |
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| 15:14 | * jcamins | will ask fredericd about getting a new set of files for the 22nd. |
| 15:27 | jcamins | Hey! I had an idea. |
| 15:27 | Apparently the entire continent of Europe sensed it and ran away. | |
| 15:29 | Mmmm... possibly wise. | |
| 15:29 | kf | hm? |
| 15:29 | I am still here. | |
| 15:29 | jcamins | I realized how we could slice up the search rewrite a bit more. |
| 15:29 | kf | I am doing it wrong again? |
| 15:29 | jcamins | lol |
| 15:30 | kf | nice mail about kohacon :) |
| 15:30 | jcamins | Yup. :) |
| 15:31 | There is nothing that says the entire query parser has to be rewritten at once. | |
| 15:32 | kf | aha |
| 15:35 | jcamins | We could rewrite the query parser/search engine interface in an iterative fashion. |
| 15:35 | It would look like this: | |
| 15:35 | Step 1: try to parse search using new parser. | |
| 15:35 | Step 2: If we succeeded, great, send that search through the new interface. | |
| 15:36 | Step 3: sorry, no luck with what we have so far... no problem, we'll just use C4::Search. | |
| 15:36 | kf | ah |
| 15:36 | if you can do that? | |
| 15:36 | jcamins | Sure. |
| 15:37 | kf | cool :) |
| 15:37 | jcamins | Put something at the beginning of getRecords that tries the new parser. |
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| 15:46 | jcamins | One could even conceivably start by adding support for real AND queries over item fields. |
| 15:47 | kf | nice |
| 15:47 | I woudl like a real item search option somewhere | |
| 15:47 | like... make me a list of all items at locatoin X | |
| 15:47 | but that's a different story | |
| 15:48 | jcamins | The problem there is we don't have an interface for lists. |
| 15:48 | kf | yeah |
| 15:48 | we wuld need a new search | |
| 15:48 | can't build that into the current search, I know | |
| 15:48 | jcamins | We'd need the search rewrite PLUS a new search interface. |
| 15:53 | kf | yeah... but one can dream |
| 15:53 | and you will need some work when you finish the search rewrite :) | |
| 15:53 | jcamins | lol |
| 15:53 | I think I'll need a nap after I finish the search rewrite. :P | |
| 15:54 | kf | lol you can get a nap or 2 |
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| 16:06 | oleonard-away | nengard: I can't reproduce Bug 8639 in master or 3.8.3 |
| 16:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8639 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , my personal details hidden when on my summary |
| 16:06 | nengard | yeah i figured it might be some kind of fluke |
| 16:06 | you saw the video though | |
| 16:06 | oleonard | Yes |
| 16:06 | nengard | not sure what we have on there that's making that happen |
| 16:07 | I'm okay if you close it though :) | |
| 16:07 | oleonard | I made sure all my tabs matched yours (enabled opacprivacy, etc) |
| 16:08 | nengard | are you showing patron images on the details tab? |
| 16:08 | and letting people edit their details? | |
| 16:08 | cause I was | |
| 16:08 | oleonard | Hm, no to patron images |
| 16:10 | kf | nengard: maybe some css or js? |
| 16:10 | nengard | could totally be possible |
| 16:10 | kf | the sequence of tabs changed, caused some problems in our installations hiding the wrong tab |
| 16:10 | nengard | that's why i'm okay closing it if no one else can reproduce it |
| 16:12 | oleonard | So what I'm hearing is we need ID attributes for those tabs? :) |
| 16:13 | kf | oleonard: maybe - not sure if they are still missing - they used to be in older versions :) |
| 16:16 | bye all :) | |
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| 16:55 | oleonard | So services/itemrecorddisplay.tt is used to show an add item form in Aquisitions... Why don't we do the same in Cataloging? |
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| 17:02 | khall | does anyone around know much about hard due dates? I've found a problem and I'm not sure if it is a bug or an intended behavior. |
| 17:03 | SJeffery | ^ Sums up working with Koha :) |
| 17:03 | khall | GetHardDueDate works just like GetIssuingRule, but it not only tests for having |
| 17:03 | found an row of results before returning, but checks for the existence of a | |
| 17:03 | hard due date as well. That means that even if it finds a matching rule, unless | |
| 17:03 | that rule has a hardduedate set it will toss it and keep looking! | |
| 17:03 | So in this case, even though there is a matching rule for "STAFF / VIDEO / *", | |
| 17:03 | it has no hardduedate. So it tosses it and keeps looking. The next match, | |
| 17:03 | "STAFF / * / *" *has* are hardduedate, and is thus the one returned. | |
| 17:04 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 17:04 | jcamins | khall: bug. |
| 17:04 | khall | jcamins: thanks for the verify. It seemed a bit odd. I'll file a bug and a patch. |
| 17:05 | jcamins | khall: I suspect most tests involved *all* rules having hard due dates, or none of them. |
| 17:06 | That's definitely not how it was supposed to work, according to my understanding, though. | |
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| 17:16 | khall | I would agree. It is *not* intuitive and runs counter to how all other issuing rule related actions function. |
| 17:19 | jcamins | khall: wajasu had an idea for how to add tests for circulation rules which I am eagerly awaiting him implementing. |
| 17:20 | khall | wajasu++ then! |
| 17:20 | oleonard | Wherever he may be. |
| 17:24 | khall | bug filed and patch submitted: 8640 |
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| 17:47 | nengard | wizzyrea around? |
| 17:48 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 17:48 | nengard | I'm trying to post to K-c.org and the editos is doing wierd things - the buttons aren't visible on the HTML tab and when I use the visual tab and click to add a link it clears all the text in the post box |
| 17:49 | I had no probs creating a page when I created the conference page last week (or whenever that was) | |
| 17:51 | Hmm .. and I can't publish either | |
| 17:52 | it's stuck loading | |
| 17:52 | oh there it goes | |
| 17:52 | wizzyrea | i see what you mean I'll have to investigate. |
| 17:58 | nengard | okey dokey |
| 17:59 | Does anyone know if there is an image size limit when uploading cover images? Asking for the manual | |
| 17:59 | dimensions and/or file size | |
| 18:01 | oleonard | jcamins would know I suppose |
| 18:02 | jcamins | There is not a limit other than that set by the web server, but all images will be reduced down to... |
| 18:03 | 600x800 | |
| 18:05 | * cait | waves |
| 18:09 | wizzyrea | hi cait :) |
| 18:10 | nengard please try now | |
| 18:10 | refresh first, clear cache, yada yada first | |
| 18:11 | nengard | wizzyrea all better |
| 18:11 | :) | |
| 18:11 | no refresh necessary | |
| 18:11 | wizzyrea | cool beans |
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| 18:13 | wizzyrea | nengard - it may be wonky for just a minute - I'm trying something |
| 18:13 | nengard | that's okay i got my post up |
| 18:13 | wizzyrea | cool |
| 18:13 | cool, it's still ok | |
| 18:13 | there was a plugin that was terribly out of date ;) | |
| 18:15 | nengard | ooo |
| 18:15 | yeah that might do it | |
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| 18:47 | oleonard | nengard: Lacks time info! |
| 18:48 | nengard | not really |
| 18:48 | it's linked | |
| 18:48 | cait | it's in the link - the mail confused me a little bit :) |
| 18:48 | nengard | but okay |
| 18:48 | oleonard | I don't see it on the page |
| 18:48 | Oh you mean the "get the right time" link? | |
| 18:50 | Are you trying to avoid confusion by not putting the UTC time? | |
| 18:51 | nengard | refresh |
| 18:52 | oleonard | That helps, thanks |
| 18:55 | * mveron | submitted Bug 8641 (see yesterdays questions by ExtraordinaryBen and answers by rangi) |
| 18:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Add information warning about log-in as root user to About->System information |
| 18:56 | mveron | @wunder Basel |
| 18:56 | huginn | mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 25.2°C (8:50 PM CEST on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). |
| 18:56 | wizzyrea | hmm I just found something odd |
| 18:56 | I think | |
| 18:56 | cait | hi mveron :) |
| 18:57 | nice idea with 8641! | |
| 18:57 | mveron | hi cait :-) |
| 18:57 | oleonard | If it was from the staff fridge just put it back wizzyrea |
| 18:57 | wizzyrea | but I will have to test it |
| 18:57 | ew | |
| 19:01 | ok, can someone test this | |
| 19:01 | well no | |
| 19:01 | let me first :P | |
| 19:03 | cait | if you don't tell us, we can't help :) |
| 19:03 | jcamins | mveron: bug 8641 looks good. |
| 19:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Add information warning about log-in as root user to About->System information |
| 19:03 | jcamins | Signing off after it passes all the tests. |
| 19:03 | :) | |
| 19:03 | mveron | jcamins: Wow! Fastest sign-off I ever had :-) |
| 19:05 | cait | well deserved :) |
| 19:05 | nengard | isn't there a bug for adding a CSS for the self checkout? |
| 19:05 | jcamins | nengard: there already is CSS on the self checkout. |
| 19:06 | nengard | custom |
| 19:06 | jcamins | Let me check which syspref it is. |
| 19:06 | I came across this just the other day. | |
| 19:06 | nengard | sco.css |
| 19:06 | there is a pref for JS on SCO | |
| 19:06 | but not one for CSS that i know about | |
| 19:06 | jcamins | Right, but aren't you looking for the syspref? |
| 19:06 | nengard | yes |
| 19:07 | jcamins | I was surprised to come across one on Sunday. At least, I was surprised to come across what looked like one to a quick glance. |
| 19:07 | nengard | hehe |
| 19:07 | jcamins | Oh, it includes OPACUserCSS. |
| 19:07 | nengard | i did a css search and there isn't a pref i know about - |
| 19:07 | jcamins | What did I come across that was a surprise to me, then? |
| 19:08 | nengard | oh! so if you put CSS in OPACUserCSS it will style SCO? |
| 19:08 | wizzyrea | ugh |
| 19:08 | mveron | jcamins ++ |
| 19:08 | jcamins | Yep. But of course all the IDs are different. |
| 19:08 | wizzyrea | in 3.6.4 if a person has a single hold that is toggled to the bottom (lowestpriority) then all of their holds are stuck to the bottom |
| 19:08 | did I miss the memo on this bug or did I just figure it out. | |
| 19:09 | * wizzyrea | did that patch for the sco |
| 19:09 | wizzyrea | to include the opacusercss |
| 19:09 | jcamins | Let me check on 3.6.8. |
| 19:10 | Uhhh... video, perhaps? | |
| 19:10 | So I can make sure I'm doing it right. | |
| 19:10 | wizzyrea | ok one sec |
| 19:10 | nengard | wizzyrea i think there is a bug on that |
| 19:11 | it sounds familiar to me | |
| 19:11 | wizzyrea | bug 6344 isn't it |
| 19:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6344 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , Hold priority displayed incorrectly when "Toggle Lowest Priority" option is used |
| 19:12 | nengard | yeah that's what i'm reading :) |
| 19:12 | so maybe i'm wrong | |
| 19:12 | wizzyrea | you maybe have a ticket for weird behaviour like that? |
| 19:12 | "this person's holds are stuck at the bottom and we don't know why" | |
| 19:13 | what really sucks about it | |
| 19:13 | jcamins | Guess I'll need a bunch of holds. |
| 19:13 | wizzyrea | is that it only has to be one (of possibly many) holds on the patron's account that is toggled lowest priority |
| 19:13 | to make them all be that way! | |
| 19:14 | yea sorry jcamins, movie.. .one min | |
| 19:15 | cait | wizzyrea: maybe we should have an option to turn that feature off |
| 19:15 | or color the stuck holds in a different way? | |
| 19:15 | wizzyrea | wel lthey have a different icon when they're stuck |
| 19:16 | cait | ah ok |
| 19:16 | jcamins | Hey, what happened to double clicking when placing a hold? |
| 19:17 | Didn't I write that? | |
| 19:17 | Oh, it was on checkout. | |
| 19:17 | wizzyrea | hm no that was kyle |
| 19:17 | jcamins | The double clicking? |
| 19:17 | No, definitely me. | |
| 19:17 | In 3.4. | |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | wait, double holds being created? |
| 19:18 | jcamins | No. |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | oh |
| 19:18 | mveron | Good night #koha |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | that's what I was talking about :) |
| 19:18 | jcamins | Double clicking doesn't work. |
| 19:18 | oleonard | What did you write jcamins? A way to double click to get extra bonus holds? |
| 19:18 | jcamins | oleonard: double clicking a name automatically selects it. |
| 19:18 | When checking out. | |
| 19:19 | oleonard | Oh yeah I like that. and I notice when it doesn't work on other pages |
| 19:19 | jcamins | How do I toggle a hold lowest priority? |
| 19:20 | Ah. | |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | lol. |
| 19:20 | jcamins | I click the down arrow. |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | the one by the x |
| 19:21 | not the one between the priority and the patron | |
| 19:21 | jcamins | Has anyone commented that having two down arrow icons that do totally different things is not helpful? |
| 19:21 | wizzyrea | yes |
| 19:21 | it is unhelpful | |
| 19:21 | ok so now, place another hold on a different bib | |
| 19:21 | and place other holds on that bib | |
| 19:21 | your patron should stay at the bottom on all of them | |
| 19:21 | which is wrong wrong wrong | |
| 19:22 | jcamins | Oh, I have to place the other hold after the one is set to lowest priority. |
| 19:22 | wizzyrea | it will work both ways |
| 19:22 | or not work, as the case may be | |
| 19:22 | jcamins | Works in 3.6.8. |
| 19:22 | wizzyrea | they are not all stuck at the bottom? |
| 19:23 | jcamins | Unless I did something wrong. |
| 19:23 | Right. | |
| 19:23 | John Smith has the first hold. | |
| 19:23 | Except on the book where he is pinned to the bottom. | |
| 19:23 | oleonard | Bug 4230 |
| 19:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4230 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , new icon for move to lowest priority on holds |
| 19:23 | jcamins | Ah, a good bug. :) |
| 19:24 | oleonard | I've worked on it every day since Feb. 2010, to no avail. |
| 19:24 | wizzyrea | lol. |
| 19:24 | jcamins | lol |
| 19:28 | wizzyrea | I'll be glad if it's just a bug in 3.6.4 |
| 19:28 | which means people who are higher than we are won't have that problem ;0 | |
| 19:28 | ;) | |
| 19:29 | jcamins | It does seem to work in 3.6.8. |
| 19:29 | I can check out 3.6.4. | |
| 19:32 | wizzyrea | I don't see the point really |
| 19:32 | I'll check it again on master - just to be sure | |
| 19:32 | thank you for checking .8 tho | |
| 19:32 | I mean, I know it's happening on .4 | |
| 19:32 | :) | |
| 19:32 | I have real life examples! | |
| 19:33 | jcamins | Right, but I could have done it wrong. |
| 19:33 | wizzyrea | well I suppose so |
| 19:43 | rangi | Morning |
| 19:43 | oleonard | Hi rangi |
| 19:43 | jcamins | Morning. |
| 19:43 | wahanui | morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. |
| 19:44 | druthb | hi, rangi. :) |
| 19:45 | cait | good morning rangi :) |
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| 19:49 | wizzyrea | mornin rangi |
| 19:54 | rangi | A rainy morning it is too |
| 19:54 | wizzyrea | here too |
| 19:54 | @wunder 66049 | |
| 19:54 | huginn | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Jeff's Weather Lab, Lawrence, Kansas is 22.6°C (2:54 PM CDT on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:54 | wizzyrea | clear now tho |
| 19:58 | rambutan | wizzyrea: you got rain? You must have gotten it all, we got zip. |
| 19:58 | wizzyrea | bummer :( yea it rained most of the morning |
| 20:02 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 20:02 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 22.0°C (10:00 PM CEST on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising). |
| 20:02 | cait | very nice weather here right now |
| 20:03 | rangi | Ok my stop bbiab |
| 20:04 | wizzyrea | very nice weather here too |
| 20:04 | i almost want to have a picnic | |
| 20:04 | it's perfect out at the moment | |
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| 20:12 | rangi | back |
| 20:19 | oleonard | See you tomorrow. Look for the sad oleonard in mibbit clothing again ;) |
| 20:19 | rangi | heh |
| 20:19 | cya oleonard | |
| 20:19 | wajasu | though bug 8607 was signed off, i noticed and found a related bug 8378 which i am attempting to fix |
| 20:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8607 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , overdue_notices is broken |
| 20:19 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore | |
| 20:20 | rangi | cool |
| 20:22 | cait | very cool |
| 20:22 | wajasu: would be happy to see that working well again | |
| 20:23 | rangi | wajasu: how did you get on with fitnesse ? |
| 20:25 | wajasu | i researched, installed, and found its evolved somewhat. its a wiki. BAs can write high level BDD/TDD scenarios close to plain english, which fail initially. then devs can write fixtures to enable tests. |
| 20:25 | rangi | ahh right |
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| 20:26 | wajasu | the idea is to write the base fixtures that give access to the domain model, and the driver should bridge things. |
| 20:27 | now its primarily in java, and a jar, but the new version uses a languag agnostic protocol called slim. | |
| 20:28 | i started thinking, that if the fixtures can be written in groovy, they would be less verbose than java. other perl fixtures can be written too. | |
| 20:29 | once you have a bastion of tests, porting to knew languages or implementaions is easier, because you've got your actual requirements codified. | |
| 20:30 | rangi | yep |
| 20:30 | the problem we have isnt functional unit tests | |
| 20:30 | we have around 10000 of those | |
| 20:30 | wajasu | anyway, i'll try to see if i can write a driver for koha, and see if its feasible after i attempt this patch. |
| 20:31 | rangi | we need UAT testing, web based, using something like www::mechanize etc |
| 20:31 | something that can test the js + css + html + perl + database all working together | |
| 20:31 | but id still like to see what it can come up with | |
| 20:33 | wajasu | after awhile, i thought, we might try using the latest java/groovy testing stuff (webunit, geb, gradle, etc) so that might be another option. |
| 20:34 | i think you guys are heading toward a layered architecture, with services, so i am thinking about testing persistent domain objects, services, javascript, webdriver. | |
| 20:35 | rangi | yeah thats a way down the track tho |
| 20:36 | the biggest problem we have, is testing the actual app usage .. testing components of it .. pretty simple, perl has a lot of great testing frameworks for that | |
| 20:36 | its testing the whole of it working together is the trick | |
| 20:36 | * rangi | hopes he is making sense |
| 20:37 | wajasu | you want the browser to be driven? via webdriver (selenium), a really integration tests. |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | the last time I used selenium it didn't do so well with some of our javascript |
| 20:38 | rangi | yeah, we 'try' to use selenium a lot at work for our projects (we do some pretty biggish sites (not koha related) at catalyst) |
| 20:39 | you spend more time fixing your tests than testing | |
| 20:39 | wizzyrea | ^^ was what I discovered |
| 20:39 | * wizzyrea | is glad i'm not alone in that assessment |
| 20:39 | rangi | what we have been working on is this |
| 20:39 | when i say we, i mean jcamins | |
| 20:39 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]th_WWW::Mechanize | |
| 20:40 | * jcamins | waves. |
| 20:40 | wajasu | writing tests is coding, configuring is coding, coding is coding. :) |
| 20:40 | i saw jcamins used Mechanize in a test i think. | |
| 20:40 | rangi | wajasu: not writing tests, rewriting them again and again because they fail in unexplained ways |
| 20:41 | wizzyrea | or because "selenium can't push that button" |
| 20:41 | rangi | thats my experience with selenium, we have a 8 person QA team here at catalyst, they pretty much gave up on it |
| 20:41 | wizzyrea | I might have been doing it wrong though ;) |
| 20:41 | cait | same for me |
| 20:41 | I never got my tests to run again successfully | |
| 20:41 | they just stopped working :( | |
| 20:42 | jcamins | WWW::Mechanize always works great for me. :/ |
| 20:42 | rangi | oh mechanize is fine |
| 20:42 | im carping about selenium | |
| 20:42 | jcamins | Testing search.pm... |
| 20:42 | rangi | and why mechanize is better, at least it fails consistently if it fails |
| 20:42 | wajasu | so you really arent concerned about calling perl directly. |
| 20:43 | rangi | not really, we have a good handle on that already |
| 20:43 | * jcamins | bangs his head against the desk. |
| 20:43 | wajasu | ha |
| 20:43 | rangi | and an ever increasing test suite of perl unit tests |
| 20:43 | jcamins | Environment variables are a lousy way to handle intra-Perl script communication. |
| 20:43 | rangi | yes they are |
| 20:43 | cait | jcamins: I was referring to selenium :) |
| 20:44 | and talking about search.... | |
| 20:44 | jcamins you might know this - bug 6713 | |
| 20:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6713 critical, P3, ---, henridamien.laurent, Needs Signoff , marc import not matching |
| 20:44 | cait | in my tests it worked nicely without the patch |
| 20:45 | jcamins | cait: I've tried it a few times, and it always works perfectly. |
| 20:45 | Before the patch. | |
| 20:45 | cait | ok |
| 20:45 | so... do we agree on - resolved worksforme? | |
| 20:45 | until someone says differently? | |
| 20:46 | jcamins | Sounds good. |
| 20:48 | Okay... | |
| 20:48 | I think I want to test DOM. | |
| 20:48 | Do I want to be testing Zebra with or without ICU? | |
| 20:48 | cait | hah, I closed a bug! |
| 20:48 | you want to test both? :P | |
| 20:49 | jcamins | cait: not today. |
| 20:49 | cait | hmmm |
| 20:49 | with icu | |
| 20:49 | less testers for that around | |
| 20:49 | jcamins | Darn. |
| 20:51 | Oh for crying out loud. | |
| 20:54 | * jcamins | decides to take a break and pick up the herbs. |
| 20:57 | wajasu | when i got into testing some javascript functionality in acquisitions, i began to see, that in a few years koha is going to have a heap of js to debug. |
| 20:57 | rangi | yup |
| 20:57 | js testing, i could roll with that | |
| 20:57 | cait | won't take a few years I think |
| 20:57 | rangi | specially if i didnt have to do it |
| 20:59 | wajasu | i had to give up on a test yesterday because i can't understand the behavior before or after, and unless i can talk with the component lead, i can't verify. |
| 21:00 | wizzyrea | you can always just ask here |
| 21:00 | wajasu | let me look up the bug. |
| 21:01 | bug 8382 | |
| 21:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8382 blocker, P1 - high, ---, christophe.croullebois, Needs Signoff , It is not possible to cancel an order when receiving on a filtered page in parcel.pl |
| 21:02 | wizzyrea | oh yes, the language barrier strikes |
| 21:02 | wajasu | once i got a order placed, i figured i was suppose to get some filter widget on the left side of the page to filter. |
| 21:02 | wizzyrea | ah I think you need to "receive" the order |
| 21:02 | wajasu | i did it, and it change the table to have a column with Receive/Cancel links |
| 21:03 | you might be right. | |
| 21:03 | i didn't receive | |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 21:03 | wajasu | i put 1 in the orderline of the filter and the tables changed, and i hit the Cancel link |
| 21:04 | and it showed Delete Order/Can't delete .... and ctalog record. | |
| 21:04 | i'll go try again later.. | |
| 21:04 | i'll receive it. | |
| 21:04 | * wizzyrea | kinda tries |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea | sorta |
| 21:05 | wajasu | then navigate using filter and then see if cancel shows and pops up. |
| 21:05 | cait | good night all:) |
| 21:05 | rangi | night cait |
| 21:06 | wajasu | all i know is the way you go around to get things done in aqui... is convoluted. i would give up as a user. |
| 21:06 | we need so help/hints/ tooltips to guide folks down our sordid paths :) | |
| 21:08 | cait | or we need to fix the workflows :) |
| 21:08 | wajasu | thats what i mean |
| 21:08 | cait | I think the basic stuff is not bad, but more consistency... maybe |
| 21:08 | wajasu | i can tell a different bloke wrote each piece of the workflow |
| 21:08 | cait | mmh yes |
| 21:08 | wajasu | consistency. |
| 21:08 | wahanui | consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier. |
| 21:09 | cait | but fixing up terms to be the same on each page |
| 21:09 | would be a good start | |
| 21:09 | like the prices | |
| 21:09 | wajasu | yes! edit/modify -> edit or such helps |
| 21:10 | does that newer template toolkit support something like sitemesh (a java thing) | |
| 21:17 | cait | not sure what that is, sorry |
| 21:19 | wajasu | it decorates a site. it parses the view templates, decorating the page. so you define a base site framework, with nav, menu, css, js, etc and pages have more content. |
| 21:19 | its a java thing. forget i mentioned it. | |
| 21:19 | cait | ok :) but only because I am really tired right now |
| 21:20 | and that's why I should go - good night again :) | |
| 21:20 | wajasu | later |
| 21:20 | cait left #koha | |
| 21:22 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #140 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:39 | jcamins | Basil and... |
| 21:39 | wizzyrea | pine nuts |
| 21:39 | and garlic | |
| 21:39 | and olive oil | |
| 21:39 | jcamins | I actually didn't notice. |
| 21:41 | Oregano. | |
| 21:41 | Could one use green cabbage for pesto? | |
| 21:41 | bag | never heard of it jcamins |
| 21:41 | but give it try | |
| 21:42 | wizzyrea | technically you can use anything in pesto |
| 21:44 | jcamins | http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07[…]wanted=all&src=pm |
| 21:45 | I think a whole head of cabbage would probably be more-or-less a lifetime supply. | |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea | cabbage is kind of awesome raw tho |
| 21:53 | wajasu | are we leverageing template toolkit to generate letters? |
| 21:53 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I've always found it kind of boring. |
| 21:53 | wajasu: no, but that'd be a nice idea. | |
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| 21:53 | jcamins | Cabbage is one of those things that I don't dislike, but I also don't know what to do with. |
| 21:54 | Okay, I have Zebra configuration files. | |
| 21:54 | Now I need a Zebra database. | |
| 21:54 | Well, Zebra indexes. | |
| 21:55 | sandboxes? | |
| 21:55 | wahanui | sandboxes are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes |
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| 22:12 | jcamins | Useful fact: Zebra loads every single file in every single directory it is pointed at. |
| 22:13 | Actually, maybe not. | |
| 22:21 | If anyone can explain this mystery for me, I would be grateful. | |
| 22:21 | Zebra keeps on looking at my default.idx in kohaclone/etc/zebradb/etc. | |
| 22:21 | There is no reference to default.idx anywhere. | |
| 22:22 | wajasu | not on KOHA_CONF or any of the files in the sub directories? |
| 22:22 | jcamins | Well, there are the expected references to it. |
| 22:22 | But none include directories. | |
| 22:22 | wajasu | ps -aef , does the zebra daemon script specify it in a command line arg? |
| 22:23 | jcamins | Ooooh. |
| 22:24 | Why yes, Zebra has been running for ages. | |
| 22:24 | wajasu++ | |
| 22:25 | wajasu | cool. |
| 22:26 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #140: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/140/ |
| 22:26 | * jcamins: Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display | |
| 22:26 | * jcamins: Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display (intranet) | |
| 22:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6617 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , table of contents not printing right if entered right |
| 22:31 | rangi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIMd5KFG1vQ |
| 22:31 | awesome :) | |
| 22:32 | wajasu | ok. that was worth it. |
| 22:37 | jcamins | Zebra config files are *weird*. |
| 22:38 | wajasu | yup. |
| 22:39 | later when they get solr search working, we can write a test to compare results between zebra/solr to uncover missing.....time. | |
| 22:40 | jcamins | wajasu: that's what I'm working on... regression testing for Zebra. |
| 22:42 | wajasu | does the koha z3950 or SRU server use zebra? |
| 22:42 | rangi | yes |
| 22:42 | jcamins | Both. |
| 22:42 | Though I just discovered that SRU probably doesn't work quite right. | |
| 22:42 | rangi | zebra is a z3950 and SRU server |
| 22:42 | thats what it is | |
| 22:42 | koha searches it, via Z3950 | |
| 22:43 | jcamins | Well, via RPN. |
| 22:43 | rangi | inside z3950 |
| 22:43 | thats the connection that zoom makes | |
| 22:43 | jcamins | I don't think we actually use Z39.50 everywhere. |
| 22:44 | We *should*. | |
| 22:44 | rangi | if we use zoom we are |
| 22:44 | jcamins | ZOOM has a non-Z39.50 mode for connecting to Zebra. |
| 22:44 | rangi | i dont know anywhere we set that |
| 22:45 | jcamins | I thought I recalled being bitten by that while staring at SimpleSearch. |
| 22:45 | And weeping. | |
| 22:45 | wajasu | i learned about that some writing my migration app. i wrote a java yaz client to build marc records, and for to LOC and other z3950 servers and find by isbn, and then tied matching authors if multiple were found. |
| 22:46 | rangi | if its using Zconn it wont be |
| 22:46 | wajasu | i had to query at an acceptable rate, but a couple of days and 15000 bibs later, I had marcxml to import. :) |
| 22:47 | jcamins | I think we aren't using Zconn somewhere. A fact I discovered when mocking it didn't work. |
| 22:48 | rangi | hhmm i wonder where, we do in C4/Search |
| 22:48 | even in the pile of poo that is SimpleSearch | |
| 22:49 | jcamins | I could have been confused. |
| 22:49 | ... and there's only one record in this database. | |
| 22:49 | Argh! | |
| 22:50 | rangi | heh |
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| 22:52 | wajasu | the overdue notice seems to transform <fine>USD</fine> to <<item.fine>>, but at the wrong place. The change history is busy. |
| 22:55 | jcamins | Oh thank goodness. |
| 22:55 | I finally managed to get records into my system. | |
| 22:55 | Though, no authorities. | |
| 22:55 | Argh. | |
| 22:56 | A fact which I have every intention of ignoring for the foreseeable future. | |
| 22:58 | wajasu | are you using the new index_daemon patch that incrementally indexes. it can be helpfull. |
| 23:03 | jcamins | Right, new plan. |
| 23:04 | wajasu: I was using that, but right now I'm actually torturing Zebra for fun and profit. | |
| 23:04 | wajasu | gatcha |
| 23:06 | i can't believe we don't have a function that when you grab a biblio from z3950, we don't offer some authorities scraped from LOC or such. or at least a popup to choose, download, merge/link. | |
| 23:08 | jcamins | LC doesn't share their authorities. |
| 23:08 | rangi | yeah thats a legality thing |
| 23:08 | not a technical thing | |
| 23:08 | you gots to pay for that | |
| 23:08 | wajasu | this overdue_notice get more complicated since one could have multiple overdue items and a fine for each. |
| 23:09 | i mean from http://authorities.loc.gov/ | |
| 23:09 | thats what my users use. | |
| 23:10 | jcamins | Yeah, you can't download records from that programmatically. |
| 23:10 | Or, at least, if you decide to do it, you can't advertise the fact. | |
| 23:10 | wajasu | oh |
| 23:11 | rangi | like a said, not a technical issue :) |
| 23:11 | Users do not have to register or request permission to search, save, print, or email the LC authority records. The only limitation is that authority records may only be saved, printed or emailed one at a time. | |
| 23:11 | wajasu | well, we could create our own P2P authority torrent that no one owns, but then ... |
| 23:12 | crowdsourcing would build it up in no time. | |
| 23:12 | rangi | i like your optimism :) |
| 23:13 | wajasu | then we'd have our own litter bibster drame. |
| 23:13 | drama | |
| 23:13 | rangi | one thing ive learnt about libraries .. they talk about sharing |
| 23:13 | doing it | |
| 23:13 | not so much | |
| 23:13 | jcamins | wajasu: technically the LC authority file is in the public domain in the US. |
| 23:13 | The problem is that first you have to get it. | |
| 23:15 | wajasu | is that that story i heard about a couple of years back, where so guys sucked the whole thing down through a university account, and then put it on the torrent/inet? |
| 23:15 | i think we should grab sears, and whatever, and then compile our own using bayesian algorithms. | |
| 23:16 | jcamins | No, that was an employee at LC. |
| 23:17 | wajasu | what about the file at archive.org from some university. |
| 23:17 | rangi | all your authorities are spelt wrong for us anyway :P |
| 23:18 | jcamins | wajasu: that was his. |
| 23:19 | rangi: and yet you still use them. | |
| 23:19 | Oh thank goodness. | |
| 23:19 | rangi | actually we dont |
| 23:19 | we use the ones from Te Puna | |
| 23:19 | with less z | |
| 23:19 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 23:19 | You don't work with any OCLC libraries? | |
| 23:20 | rangi | nope |
| 23:21 | they price prohibitively | |
| 23:21 | jcamins | copy doesn't forcibly overwrite files. |
| 23:21 | rangi | all our libraries are members of te puna |
| 23:21 | all the ones who use authorities anyway | |
| 23:23 | wajasu | i realized that the categorization of knowledge was really controlled by a few people in the world until the internet took off. |
| 23:25 | jcamins | What the... |
| 23:25 | wahanui | hmmm... the is a stop word |
| 23:25 | wajasu | a vetigal nozebra thing |
| 23:25 | vestigal | |
| 23:26 | jcamins | I HATE ZEBRA!!! |
| 23:26 | rangi | take a chill pill :) |
| 23:26 | jcamins | Easy for you to say. |
| 23:26 | I still can't get Zebra to start. | |
| 23:27 | rangi | thats what you get for poking at it |
| 23:27 | jcamins | Thank merciful goodness. |
| 23:27 | Zebra is running. | |
| 23:28 | Okay, maybe "merciful" is pushing it. | |
| 23:29 | wajasu | perl code is so selfish. its my my my everywhere! |
| 23:31 | i think with dynamic languages, you can crank out stuff quick, but maintenance is a nightmare. if there were contracts/interfaces, someone could just reimplement from scratch faster. | |
| 23:32 | jcamins | And there are results! |
| 23:32 | rangi | course we'd still be wwriting it and have no users |
| 23:32 | :) | |
| 23:32 | wajasu | thats why we need tests. with lots of coverage, so one can reimnplement and not debug. |
| 23:32 | jcamins | wajasu: like I'm working on. |
| 23:32 | I agree. | |
| 23:32 | rangi | wajasu: bug 5327 |
| 23:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, bart.tj, Passed QA , Unit tests required for all C4 modules |
| 23:32 | rangi | write more :) |
| 23:33 | jcamins | And if you want to jump in and do C4::Search, be my guest! |
| 23:33 | You can have the work I did so far. | |
| 23:33 | wajasu | Noooo. |
| 23:33 | i'm flailing with overdue notice. | |
| 23:34 | jcamins | Okay... I have a problem. |
| 23:34 | Maybe. | |
| 23:35 | rangi | oh i like bug 8641 |
| 23:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Add information warning about log-in as root user to About->System information |
| 23:35 | jcamins | Me too! |
| 23:35 | rangi | mveron++ |
| 23:36 | jcamins | I need to slurp zebrasrv's output without blocking. |
| 23:40 | Preferably without spending too much time delving into the inner workings of Perl's threading support. | |
| 23:41 | Awesome. | |
| 23:41 | Zebra is segfaulting. | |
| 23:41 | yaz, rather. | |
| 23:48 | wajasu | gdb |
| 23:49 | jcamins | It worked. |
| 23:51 | Ummm... | |
| 23:51 | this is a problem. | |
| 23:53 | Oh, right. open is async. | |
| 23:55 | wajasu | is there any popular messaging bus in the perl world? |
| 23:56 | or queue service? | |
| 23:57 | jcamins | I don't know. |
| 23:57 | But I'm writing a test. | |
| 23:57 | rangi | id use Net::DBus to just hook into D-Bus |
| 23:58 | wajasu | i just searched for Letters.pm in bugzilla. so many that I see in the code. It must be a touchy piece of code for legacy templates, etc. |
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