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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | dcook | Damn straight |
| 00:01 | Well, I suppose the case sensitivity is a JS issue, but IE changing how it capitalizes html elements is irritating.. | |
| 00:01 | rangi | yep |
| 00:01 | dcook | Mind you, it could be that my code is problematic |
| 00:01 | rangi | i try never to write straight js anymore |
| 00:01 | always just use jquery | |
| 00:02 | mostly cos it handles the crossbrowser issues better than i could | |
| 00:02 | dcook | I'm thinking that's what I had better do |
| 00:03 | Mind you, if the jQuery datatables were better, I wouldn't have to do anything :p | |
| 00:04 | rangi | :) |
| 00:04 | id drop owen a note theres not a lot he doesnt know about jquery | |
| 00:05 | dcook | Hmm, good idea |
| 00:05 | I tried using jQuery.inArray() last night, but I couldn't get it to work.. | |
| 00:06 | I'll have to ask him if I continue to meet roadblocks | |
| 00:08 | Hmm, now I try it...and it works. Funny how you can spend a few continuous hours without success, but if you just wait until the next morning, everything flows easier. | |
| 00:09 | I think that takes care of the case sensitivity and the lack of support for indexOf. Go jQuery! | |
| 00:09 | melia left #koha | |
| 00:10 | rangi | sweet |
| 00:11 | dcook | Thanks for the reminder to give it another go ;) |
| 00:15 | Hmm, actually, case sensitivity still a problem. Just .inArray is definitely a good replacement.. | |
| 00:21 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #110 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 00:44 | Justin joined #koha | |
| 00:45 | Justin | Hi. I am introducing Koha to one of our schools and the librarian has some questions. I was wondering if I could direct her to here to see if she could get some answers? |
| 00:46 | rangi | yep, here or the mailing list |
| 00:47 | Justin | Thanks. I will forward her a link for both |
| 00:47 | rangi | depending on the time of the day there are varying numbers of people actually at their keyboards here |
| 00:47 | Justin | No problem. Thanks. Bye for now |
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| 01:24 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #110: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/110/ |
| 01:24 | * jcamins: Bug 8204: Add user friendly authority view to OPAC | |
| 01:24 | * jcamins: Bug 8204: fix UNIMARC display | |
| 01:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8204 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Authority viewer in OPAC ugly, unfriendly, and mostly useless |
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| 02:45 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 03:08 | mtj | attn: #koha any chance we could get more people 'following' the 'offical' koha repo on github? please...? |
| 03:08 | -> https://github.com/Koha-Community/Koha | |
| 03:08 | -> https://github.com/Koha-Community | |
| 03:09 | why? for all the obvious reasons... ;) | |
| 03:11 | s/following/watching/ | |
| 03:18 | mtompset | git? |
| 03:18 | wahanui | well, git is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 03:19 | mtompset | Is it the one listed here? ... |
| 03:19 | The URL doesn't match. | |
| 03:20 | mtj | no, its the offical koha repo... on github |
| 03:20 | mtompset | why would I choose github over koha-community? |
| 03:21 | I'm just asking as a person who is new to the whole use of git. | |
| 03:21 | mtj | if kc.org was down.... you could use that repo - its a mirror , sync-ed every hour |
| 03:21 | thats why... | |
| 03:21 | mtompset | Okay... |
| 03:21 | mtj | and some pretty graphs.... |
| 03:22 | mtompset | So, what if it was the other way around? |
| 03:22 | Is there a way to tell git the "backup location"? | |
| 03:23 | mtj | not automagically |
| 03:23 | afaik | |
| 03:23 | mtompset | because that would be useful to do. |
| 03:23 | mtj | thats potentially a dangerous feature, so it hasnt happened |
| 03:24 | mtompset | I can see the danger. |
| 03:24 | But still... dangerous doesn't mean don't implement. :P | |
| 03:49 | dcook | mtj: you mean that you want people following it but only using it as a "next" resort, yes? |
| 03:50 | mtj | yeah, i want people click teh little 'watch' button on it :) |
| 03:51 | thats all... | |
| 03:53 | dcook | Sounds good |
| 03:53 | Being a joiner is fun! | |
| 03:53 | ... | |
| 03:55 | mtompset | I can be a slacktivist -- unless I have to subscribe. :) |
| 03:56 | GAH! I have to subscribe. | |
| 03:57 | I did click 'watch' though, mtj | |
| 03:58 | mtj | cool, thanx for doing that :) |
| 03:58 | dcook | Signed up and watching as well |
| 03:59 | mtompset | keener! :P |
| 03:59 | dcook | C'est moi |
| 04:00 | Does anyone use any file merging tools such as WinMerge? | |
| 04:01 | * mtj | reciprocates dcook's favour , and follows him back... |
| 04:01 | dcook | o rly? |
| 04:02 | mtj | sure i did - one good turn, deserves another |
| 04:03 | dcook | Reciprocity is pretty awesome |
| 04:04 | Github says you're not following me and that I'm not following you though :o | |
| 04:04 | cait joined #koha | |
| 04:10 | mtj | says i'm following you - where $i eq 'kohaaloha' |
| 04:11 | dcook | It says the same, but my back-end stats for "followers" and "followed" haven't changed |
| 04:12 | mtj | ' Koha-Community' is a organistation on github - not a user |
| 04:12 | dcook | Am I looking for bugs in github? Maybe... |
| 04:12 | mtj | ... so it cant 'watch' anything, as such |
| 04:12 | dcook | I know. I followed KohaAloha |
| 04:13 | Actually, it says KohaAloha has no followers on the organization/community page as well | |
| 04:13 | mtj | ps: the 'watcher' refresh on github is slow - for some specific pages |
| 04:13 | my hunch is you're on one of those pages ;) | |
| 04:14 | * dcook | shrugs |
| 04:14 | dcook | Ca m'est égal. I clicked :P |
| 04:15 | mtj | yep, thats all i'm asking... :) |
| 04:17 | dcook: and no to winmerge, yes to git | |
| 04:18 | dcook | The plan is to develop in git |
| 04:18 | However, we can't use packages, since we're on opensuse | |
| 04:19 | mtj | ah yep... i know a great fix for that.... |
| 04:20 | dcook | Change OS? :P |
| 04:20 | wahanui | dcook: that doesn't look right |
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| 04:22 | cait | morning :) |
| 04:22 | dcook | morning, cait :) |
| 04:23 | mtj | yeah, i'm having lots of problems trying to do koha-development on my xbox?! :/ |
| 04:23 | please helps! | |
| 04:25 | nah, just kidding... | |
| 04:26 | dcook | Right... |
| 04:27 | mtj | but seriously, ask yourself - is it worth the additional time/pain/problems of running koha on suse |
| 04:27 | dcook | That's a question for someone other than me ;) |
| 04:27 | * dcook | is not the server admin |
| 04:28 | mtj | theres a reason why i run everything on debian... |
| 04:28 | ... and that reason is because everyone else here does | |
| 04:28 | dcook | That makes sense |
| 04:29 | I was talking to rangi the other day about how I will use Debian when I do my personal install | |
| 04:29 | rangi | A valid other response would be packaging for side |
| 04:29 | dcook | But...there are times when people don't necessarily have the option of using Debian |
| 04:29 | rangi | Suse |
| 04:29 | mtj | if i discover a horrible ,horrible problem with my system - theres a very good chance someone else here has too |
| 04:29 | rangi | Opensuse have a build system |
| 04:30 | That does lots of rpm based stuff. It just needs someone to maintain rpm packages | |
| 04:30 | mtj | i dont wanna be the only guy in the world running production koha+openbsd systems |
| 04:31 | ... only to discover a strange bug, that no-one can help me with :/ | |
| 04:32 | i'm the little baby gnu, that sticks close to the herd :) | |
| 04:33 | (safety in numbers, and all that...) | |
| 04:33 | rangi | Unfortunately I know nothing about packaging other than debian |
| 04:33 | dcook | Mmm, I do remember you mentioning rpm before, rangi |
| 04:34 | rangi | Quite a few Indian koha + suse users |
| 04:34 | Just need someone to package it | |
| 04:36 | I'd like to see koha packaged and in all distros | |
| 04:36 | dcook | Agreed. Variety is the spice of life |
| 04:36 | With packages... | |
| 04:36 | You're packaging up all the files from the git and putting them out, yes? | |
| 04:37 | rangi | Pretty much yes |
| 04:37 | Putting them in the right places | |
| 04:37 | dcook | So each time you update your installs, you're really re-installing? |
| 04:38 | rangi | Not quite |
| 04:38 | Most of the install is configuration | |
| 04:38 | Copying files is the easy bit | |
| 04:39 | Upgrading copies files and updates the evening | |
| 04:39 | And pulls in New dependencies | |
| 04:39 | (In packages that is) | |
| 04:39 | It doesn't reconfigure | |
| 04:40 | Evening = database | |
| 04:40 | Thanks autocorrect | |
| 04:41 | And now I need to go. | |
| 04:41 | dcook | Thanks for the info, as always, rangi :) |
| 04:49 | mtompset | OpenSuse?! |
| 04:49 | GAH! | |
| 04:49 | I was reading the install file for that. UGLY! | |
| 04:50 | Hey, there was a PS2Linux which was short lived. :) | |
| 04:50 | mtj, I run Ubuntu. :P | |
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| 04:51 | mtompset | And now I'm caught up. :) |
| 04:52 | * mtompset | goes back to real non-koha work. :( |
| 05:17 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 05:20 | mtompset | Greetings, Oak |
| 05:22 | Oak | hello mtompset :) |
| 05:22 | guten morgen cait | |
| 05:22 | kia ora #koha | |
| 05:24 | dcook | afternoon, Oak |
| 05:25 | Oak | afternoon dcook :) |
| 05:38 | cait | hi Oak :) |
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| 05:54 | francharb | morning |
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| 05:57 | dcook | morning, francharb |
| 05:58 | francharb | hi dcook |
| 06:05 | cait | hi francharb :) |
| 06:06 | francharb | hello cait |
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| 06:08 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:09 | dcook | salut alex_a |
| 06:09 | alex_a | dcook: hello |
| 06:09 | wahanui | que tal, alex_a |
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| 06:30 | julian_m | hi |
| 06:30 | wahanui | salut, julian_m |
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| 06:42 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:00 | * clrh | tunnel bfm limoges |
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| 07:13 | dcook_away | 'night/'morning everyone! |
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| 07:20 | paul_p | good morning #koha |
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| 07:21 | mveron | hi #koha |
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| 07:24 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:24 | wahanui | hola, gaetan_B |
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| 07:32 | kf | good morning #koha :) |
| 07:33 | mveron | good morning kf |
| 07:34 | kf | hi mveron |
| 07:35 | mveron | Is there kind of bug omnibus for the Koha manual (e.g. for http://manual.koha-community.o[…]lfcheckout.html)? |
| 07:36 | kf | I think there is a module documentation |
| 07:36 | perhaps better file individual bugs? | |
| 07:36 | mveron | Ok, thanks |
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| 07:51 | kf | morning eythian |
| 07:52 | eythian | hi |
| 08:10 | paul_p | hi eythian Nice trip to NL ? |
| 08:11 | eythian i've seen there has been some problems on the TGV line. I hope you've not been affected | |
| 08:11 | eythian | paul_p: it was, yeah. Got a good bit of work done on the train. |
| 08:11 | No, not at all, everything ran pretty much exactly to time. | |
| 08:12 | paul_p | eythian = lucky man. Seems that someone tried to steal some valuable cables (yes, really...), and broke the TGV line for more than 24 hours... all trains 2 hours late !!! |
| 08:12 | eythian | oh wow |
| 08:13 | paul_p | (copper cables cost a lot, and we have frequent stories like that of some ppl sealing 1km or more of copper cable !!!) |
| 08:13 | eythian | glad I missed that then |
| 08:13 | Yeah, I've heard about that kind of thing now I think about it. | |
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| 08:17 | kf | ok... that is werid. |
| 08:17 | mveron joined #koha | |
| 08:17 | kf | I have a student for which no notices have been generated and I don't see why :( |
| 08:19 | the borrower category says notices should be generated, the notice triggers are configured for the library and the category, there are notice templates, there is an email in the patron record and all other mails are there | |
| 08:22 | gaetan_B | kf, did you know that in the search field in pootle, you can choose several possible fields in which to search, including locations ? |
| 08:23 | francharb, and i figured this out recently and it can be *very* useful... | |
| 08:24 | kf | I did know - but it's still a pain combining template(location) and single words :( |
| 08:25 | but it really can be very useful finding a special string you are looking for that appears in a lot of pages | |
| 08:27 | gaetan_B | yes exactly, actually it's the only way to properly translate all those isolated bold words |
| 08:27 | and the sentences around them | |
| 08:35 | * kf | nods |
| 08:37 | * gaetan_B | is a bit ashamed to have only figured this out now |
| 08:38 | kf | it's very easy to miss :( |
| 08:38 | I should have probably put a note somewhere so people canfind that feature | |
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| 08:40 | kf | ok, I foudn the problem with my notices - Koha was right :) |
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| 08:41 | kf | magnuse: around? |
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| 08:42 | magnuse | kf: yup! |
| 08:42 | kf | should we start advertising the 10th for gbsd - searching bugs? |
| 08:43 | magnuse | kf: yeah! |
| 08:43 | kf | can I bribe you to write the email to the list? |
| 08:44 | magnuse | hopefully |
| 08:44 | what do we want to say? | |
| 08:44 | kf | hmm |
| 08:45 | magnuse | maybe start with a wiki page? |
| 08:45 | kf | date, a link to the new dashboard, link to the bug squashing page in the wiki |
| 08:45 | yep | |
| 08:48 | magnuse | huh, did the update to 3.8.3 change when the updates for package installs are run? |
| 08:48 | s/updates/backups/ | |
| 08:51 | here's a basic page: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day | |
| 08:51 | the GBSD template needs some editing, at least to include the dashboard | |
| 08:51 | eythian | magnuse: I don't think so |
| 08:51 | I think it just runs in cron.daily | |
| 08:52 | I think sometimes some machines run that at a different time | |
| 08:52 | magnuse | ah, that would do it, yes |
| 08:56 | i think maybe i changed when the daily cron should run, and it got changed back when i apt-get upgrade'd | |
| 08:56 | kf: my brain feels empty today, could you take a look at the wiki page and see if anything else needs changing or adding? | |
| 08:59 | kf | sorry, was running around at work |
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| 08:59 | kf | yep I can take a look |
| 09:00 | magnuse | thanks |
| 09:00 | kf | magnuse: maybe we can get rid of some links tomake it a bit easier? |
| 09:00 | not sure how to edit the template vs. editing the page - mediawiki confuses me | |
| 09:01 | we could put some bountiews on the what to do stuff | |
| 09:01 | if we had bounties... | |
| 09:02 | magnuse | you can edit the template here: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]squad&action=edit |
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| 09:11 | magnuse | Oak |
| 09:15 | Oak | magnuse |
| 09:15 | :) | |
| 09:15 | magnuse | yay! |
| 09:16 | kf: should we encourage people to pay extra attention to bug 8233? | |
| 09:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else |
| 09:16 | kf | notsure people can do much here |
| 09:16 | I would like to encourage to test modules | |
| 09:16 | and confirm bugs, file new bugs | |
| 09:17 | not only concentrating on signing off, but doing a bit to get a better pciture of where we are now and what needs to be fixed before release | |
| 09:17 | magnuse | a good plan! feel like putting that into the wiki page? |
| 09:18 | kf | will try |
| 09:18 | but perhaps this afternoon | |
| 09:18 | have some support tickets to deal with first | |
| 09:19 | magnuse | np! |
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| 09:37 | vfernandes | hi guys |
| 09:38 | It's possible to change the bibliographic model to have some fields with the indicators already filled? | |
| 09:40 | kf | vfernandes: I think there was some work done about indicators - have you checked bugzilla? |
| 09:41 | vfernandes | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7149 |
| 09:41 | huginn | 04Bug 7149: normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , authorized values for indicators don't work |
| 09:51 | vfernandes | ok there is a bug in the indicators... but if I want to have two subfields $a already filled? |
| 09:52 | default value... | |
| 09:52 | kf | yes |
| 09:52 | but I think no default values for indicators yet | |
| 09:53 | vfernandes | ok... but how i put two $a already filled... i can only put one... :/ |
| 09:54 | drojf | default values for indicators would be nice |
| 09:54 | i encourage you to send a patch ;) | |
| 09:54 | good day #koha | |
| 09:57 | kf | good drojf :) |
| 09:57 | drojf | good kf ;) |
| 09:57 | kf | lol |
| 09:58 | don't read what I write... read my mind... ah, better not. | |
| 09:58 | drojf | heh |
| 09:58 | @wunder berlin, germany | |
| 09:58 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 27.5°C (11:12 AM CEST on July 27, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:58 | drojf | real summer |
| 09:59 | but new thunderstorms tomorrow | |
| 09:59 | kf | same said for here, but I don't believe in it yet |
| 10:00 | lunch time! | |
| 10:02 | drojf | vfernandes: you want to repeat subfield a for a field? |
| 10:07 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 10:07 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (11:50 AM CEST on July 27, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 10:08 | drojf | why is that guy answering all these old emails on the koha list? |
| 10:09 | hi magnuse | |
| 10:09 | magnuse | drojf: because ha can? ;-) and hi! |
| 10:09 | drojf | lol |
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| 10:22 | drojf | mmmh freshly rebased bug 8377 get it while it's hot, nom nom nom |
| 10:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8377 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Show HTML5 video/ audio for media files in OPAC and staff client |
| 10:23 | drojf | and for dessert we recommend a light bug 8492 |
| 10:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8492 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Restrict OpacSuppression to IP adresses outside of an IP range |
| 10:35 | kf_lunch | lol |
| 10:35 | wish I could test those yummy bugs | |
| 10:41 | drojf | well you already have lunch ;) |
| 10:41 | kf | right :) |
| 10:42 | * drojf | goes to take a shower |
| 10:42 | kf | *sigh* |
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| 10:49 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. Day has ended, the koha coding can begin. |
| 10:51 | magnuse | mtompset++ |
| 10:51 | mtompset | Thanks, magnuse. |
| 10:51 | jcamins_away and I have been dialoguing about this check_deps.sh script I have been working on. | |
| 10:52 | It lists dependencies missing from the repos, dependencies found in the repos, and then dependencies not listed in install_misc/ubuntu.{version}.packages files | |
| 10:52 | kf | cool :) |
| 10:53 | mtompset | It assumes that the C4::Installer::PerlDependencies.pm is correct. :) |
| 10:53 | I'm working on tweaking it to compare against DEBIAN repos under Ubuntu, and vice versa | |
| 10:54 | as long as you have an appropriate sources.list file. | |
| 10:56 | One drawback, even if I got the script working is that the k-c.org repos don't have an Index file usable by apt-file. | |
| 10:56 | I think jcamins_away will be working on solving that problem. :) | |
| 10:58 | Because then when a new release is about to go out, run the script against 2 debian and 2 ubuntu sources.list files including the k-c repo, and then we'll know if something is missing and where to fix it. | |
| 11:02 | magnuse | cool |
| 11:07 | has there been any progress on the "replace online help with text from the manual" front while i was away? | |
| 11:11 | kf | magnuse: sadly no - but some progress on making po files for the manual |
| 11:11 | led by the arabic koha translation team :) | |
| 11:11 | I think if we got more translations, it would be a logical next step | |
| 11:16 | magnuse | yup |
| 11:20 | mtompset | po files for the manual?! |
| 11:20 | Isn't that going to be huge?! | |
| 11:22 | kf | not huger than the staff |
| 11:22 | it would even reduce the staff translation file in size, if we managed to create some magic link between both | |
| 11:23 | because at the moment we translate the context help files within the staff file | |
| 11:23 | mtompset | Well, that much is true. |
| 11:23 | mveron | @wunder Basel |
| 11:23 | huginn | mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 32.9°C (1:18 PM CEST on July 27, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). |
| 11:24 | mtompset | But aren't there extra explaining sentences in the manual? That's why I think it would be larger than the staff or opac clients. |
| 11:24 | kf | hm I think it would probably be a little less than the staff file at least |
| 11:24 | because you have to translate the interface, the help, all error message setc. | |
| 11:24 | the point is translating it once in the future | |
| 11:25 | and provide a translated manual and translatedonline help | |
| 11:25 | mtompset | That would be awesome. |
| 11:26 | Does anyone know the name of a perl library which is in Debian, but not in Ubuntu? | |
| 11:27 | kf | pass |
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| 11:29 | amw | Hi all |
| 11:29 | 3What is the easiest way to install all koha Perl modules | |
| 11:30 | mtompset | what OS are you using? |
| 11:31 | amw | 3I am using Debian |
| 11:31 | mtompset | then use the packages. |
| 11:31 | amw | 3what packages ? |
| 11:31 | mtompset | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze |
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| 11:32 | mtompset | those instructions are likely best for your scenario. |
| 11:33 | amw | 3mtompset: Thanks does the link show all the dependencies ? |
| 11:33 | mtompset | Will you be doing development and helping generate patches for koha? |
| 11:33 | No. | |
| 11:33 | It tells you how to set up, in such a way that you don't need to ask that question. | |
| 11:34 | which install to use? | |
| 11:34 | wahanui | If you're developing, you should use git. If you're not developing on a deb-based system, you should use packages. If you're not developing on a different flavour of Linux, you should use the tarball. |
| 11:34 | mtompset | git? |
| 11:34 | wahanui | git is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
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| 11:38 | mtompset | Greetings, nengard |
| 11:39 | nengard | hello |
| 11:39 | wahanui | bonjour, nengard |
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| 11:42 | amw | 3 10Q mtompset |
| 11:42 | 3I am using tarball for production use | |
| 11:42 | 3I got it | |
| 11:43 | mtompset | Why not use packages? |
| 11:43 | It's much easier under Debian that way. | |
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| 11:43 | mtompset | Why not use packages? |
| 11:43 | It's much easier under Debian that way. | |
| 11:44 | awm | ok |
| 11:44 | tnxs | |
| 11:44 | mtompset | You're welcome. |
| 11:50 | jcamins_away | 06:51 #koha: < mtompset> jcamins_away and I have been dialoguing about this check_deps.sh script I have been working on. |
| 11:51 | jcamins | Sorry. |
| 11:51 | mtompset | Not a problem. |
| 11:51 | Just giving you some credit for what I'm coding up. | |
| 11:51 | just playing with apt-file -s now to see how to integrate it into the script. | |
| 11:53 | Thanks for the source files. | |
| 11:53 | Did you know that debian has bugzilla3 integrated, but ubuntu doesn't? | |
| 11:53 | Well, at least something with "perl" in it. :) | |
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| 11:55 | mtompset | Sadly, the k-c repo doesn't have Index files to download a Contents file. |
| 11:56 | jcamins | @later tell eythian Could you add the line "Contents: . .gz" to each distribution in conf/distributions on debian.k-c.org? |
| 11:56 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:56 | kf | maybe talk to eythian about adding one? |
| 11:56 | * jcamins | has dealt with the issue. :) |
| 11:57 | mtompset | Great. I hope to have the apt-file stuff working later tonight/this morning. Yep, a coding blast. :) |
| 11:57 | It's the Weekend. Woo hoo! | |
| 12:01 | * mtompset | cranks up the youtube... http://youtu.be/IKqV7DB8Iwg |
| 12:05 | drojf | oh it's this "not available in your country" website |
| 12:05 | kf | ah |
| 12:05 | mtompset | black eyed peas: Let's Get It Started. |
| 12:05 | kf | drojf: I think I have seen that one... *sigh* |
| 12:06 | mtompset | youtube is not available in your country? |
| 12:06 | jcamins: Question... will you be wanting to purge the apt-file cache between check_deps? | |
| 12:07 | jcamins | mtompset: I don't see any reason. |
| 12:07 | drojf | mtompset: "gema" is forcing youtube to block a lot of songs. they claim to be the only german organisation to collect money for performance rights |
| 12:08 | mtompset | that's a downer, drojf. |
| 12:08 | drojf | "claim to be" is possibly wrong, at the moment they are |
| 12:08 | kf | yeah |
| 12:08 | but other things are not available at all | |
| 12:08 | drojf | there is a creative commons group in the making |
| 12:08 | kf | grooveshark |
| 12:08 | drojf | because gema rips of the smaller artists too |
| 12:09 | mtompset | jcamins: So, then perhaps it would not be unreasonable to take a long time to apt-file update on ALL the .lists in --list-dir, even if only one will be specified? |
| 12:10 | because if they are all up to date, it's not too long. | |
| 12:10 | jcamins | mtompset: that seems reasonable to me. |
| 12:10 | mtompset | and if they are out of date, it will speed up the next check. |
| 12:11 | and interestingly... if you do have an apt-file cache in your home dir... | |
| 12:12 | the default one is the only one checked when you don't specify one of the sources.list | |
| 12:13 | So, I don't think this will affect the apt-gets whatsoever. :) | |
| 12:13 | I'll know about other OS's, but not be stuck installing the wrong things. | |
| 12:14 | This script is working out conceptually and actually well. :) | |
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| 12:16 | kf | hi paul_p and oleonard |
| 12:16 | oleonard | Hi |
| 12:16 | paul_p | hi kf & good morning oleonard |
| 12:16 | (& jcamins & mtompset & drojf & everybody) | |
| 12:16 | mtompset | Bonjour, paul_p |
| 12:17 | Greetings, oleonard | |
| 12:21 | oleonard | I have a question about patron attributes |
| 12:22 | On the patron entry screen where you enter patron attributes, there is a "clear" link | |
| 12:22 | Is there any reason why that link should not clear all kinds of inputs, including password type fields? | |
| 12:22 | ...because right now the "clear" link excludes password fields | |
| 12:23 | kf | hm |
| 12:23 | can't think of a reason | |
| 12:23 | jcamins | julian_m++ |
| 12:23 | julian_m++ | |
| 12:23 | (once for each patch) | |
| 12:23 | kf | oleonard: are you working on the display of patron attributes? |
| 12:24 | I was wondering if we should not only show the description and hide the code | |
| 12:24 | oleonard | No, just testing Bug 8431 |
| 12:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8431 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Increase the borrower attribute field size from 64 characters to 255 |
| 12:24 | oleonard | kf I don't see any reason to show the code either |
| 12:25 | kf | I think it's a bit ugly the way it is to be honest |
| 12:26 | oleonard | I wish we didn't display them in a table. Maybe I should work up a patch for that to help convince others |
| 12:26 | julian_m | jcamins, do you check your emails every minutes? 0_0 you're amazing ! :) |
| 12:26 | * mtompset | nods. Here, here for jcamins. ;) |
| 12:27 | jcamins | julian_m: I reported that bug. :)( |
| 12:27 | kf | oleonard: that sonds like an excellent idea - because I am sure you could make it look pretty :) |
| 12:27 | jcamins | -( |
| 12:27 | oleonard | julian_m: This is jcamins' work area: http://officemagz.com/wp-conte[…]ideas-560x420.jpg |
| 12:28 | kf | lol |
| 12:28 | * mtompset | laughs! |
| 12:28 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 12:28 | Actually, I don't even have an external monitor. | |
| 12:28 | mtompset | 4 screens is enough. |
| 12:28 | I'm working on an external to reduce heat in my poor netbook. :) | |
| 12:28 | julian_m | I understand better :-D |
| 12:30 | oleonard | mtompset's work area: http://www.patrickmin.com/eee/[…]ernal_samsung.jpg |
| 12:30 | mtompset | Not quite that large, but yes. |
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| 12:40 | mtompset | Is about to test his changes... more youtube cranking... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siwpn14IE7E |
| 12:40 | (Kenny Loggins -- Danger Zone) | |
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| 12:46 | nengard | question (working on the manual) - this preference UpdateTotalIssuesOnCirc says "(WARNING! This increases server load significantly; if performance is a concern, use the update_totalissues.pl cron job to update the total issues count). " -- does that mean you can use that cron instead of logging at the time of checkout? or do you need that in conjunction with this preference? |
| 12:49 | mtompset | I would think... I don't know... that using both would be bad (tm) |
| 12:50 | And the way it is worded does make it sound like you can use the cron instead. | |
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| 12:56 | jcamins_away | nengard: use the cron job instead of the preference. |
| 12:56 | nengard | that's what I figured - thank :) |
| 12:56 | thanks | |
| 12:58 | mtompset | That was an interesting typo. |
| 12:58 | , instead of : returned the last character instead of truncating it. :) | |
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| 13:05 | oleonard | Hi Oak |
| 13:05 | Oak | hello oleonard :) |
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| 13:06 | kf | Oak. |
| 13:07 | mtompset | greetings, Oak |
| 13:07 | greetings, libsysguy | |
| 13:09 | libsysguy | morning mtompset |
| 13:10 | * mtompset | feels the 2L of mountain dew kicking in. |
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| 13:10 | libsysguy | do the dew |
| 13:10 | oleonard | Long night ahead for you mtompset? |
| 13:11 | mtompset | I want to finish this script I'm working on. |
| 13:12 | tcohen | hi #koha |
| 13:13 | mtompset | Greetings, tcohen |
| 13:14 | tcohen | how r u doing mtompset? how are those scripts working? |
| 13:14 | mtompset | With jcamins_away's help, I've almost got it cross platform'd. |
| 13:14 | You can do DEBIAN checks under UBUNTU. | |
| 13:15 | Oak | kf |
| 13:15 | mtompset | and vice versa, and different releases of the same distribution. |
| 13:15 | * Oak | 's battery is low... fasting |
| 13:16 | oleonard | What is the purpose of the password associated with patron attributes? |
| 13:18 | Seems like something that might have come from a very specific request. I'm curious what the origin is. | |
| 13:18 | kf | perhaps having login data for a separate application in Kohaß |
| 13:18 | ? | |
| 13:19 | magnuse | hm, i have a feeling i have seen it explained somewhere... the manual? |
| 13:19 | oleonard | Sounds risky: the password is not encrypted |
| 13:19 | tcohen | CAS? |
| 13:20 | oleonard | Looking in the manual is so crazy it just might have worked. But no, nothing there. |
| 13:21 | magnuse | the manual says "Check 'Allow password' to make it possible to associate a password with this attribute." |
| 13:21 | which, i must confess, did not make me a lot wiser ;-) | |
| 13:21 | nengard | i'd love for more info on that :) |
| 13:22 | kf | I know that the table has a separate column for password |
| 13:22 | nengard | sometimes i'm just guessing :) |
| 13:22 | kf | but that's about it |
| 13:23 | magnuse | http://lists.koha-community.or[…]8-May/000988.html says: "password_allowed (if set, staff patron editor will allow a password to be associated with a value; this is mostly a hook for functionality to be implemented in the future. |
| 13:23 | kf | magnuse++ |
| 13:24 | magnuse | looks like gmcharlt is the author of that |
| 13:25 | gmcharlt | magnuse: indeed; it's a hook to allow associating a second login and password with a patron account via the extend attributes mechanism |
| 13:25 | mtompset | Well, how does a patron currently set their password, and can they change it? Is it possible to prevent them from changing it? |
| 13:25 | oleonard | Ah, so it must do something amazing in Liblime Enterprise Kurlha |
| 13:25 | * gmcharlt | knows not |
| 13:28 | mtompset | That is like 4+ years ago. Quite easy to forget an idea from that long ago. :) |
| 13:29 | magnuse | yup |
| 13:31 | slef | heheh kurlha |
| 13:36 | nengard | i need some git help! |
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| 13:37 | nengard | I broke things on the manual and want to scrap my local changes and revert the last commit |
| 13:37 | I tried git revert and the commit number | |
| 13:37 | but it didn't work | |
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| 13:37 | nengard | it keeps saying |
| 13:37 | Cannot rebase: You have unstaged changes. | |
| 13:37 | Please commit or stash them. | |
| 13:38 | gmcharlt | nengard: git reset --hard, then try the revert again |
| 13:38 | nengard | thanks - giving it a whirl |
| 13:39 | gmcharlt | mtompset: there's a syspref called OpacPasswordChange you can turn off |
| 13:39 | * chris_n | greets gmcharlt |
| 13:39 | gmcharlt | hi chris_n |
| 13:43 | mtompset | Thanks, gmcharlt |
| 13:46 | nengard | gmcharlt i can reset and revert, but i can't push my revert |
| 13:47 | gmcharlt | nengard: if you don't have anything on that branch you want to keep, a slightly more drastic variation to try is |
| 13:47 | git fetch origin; git reset --hard origin/master | |
| 13:48 | nengard | whew that worked! |
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| 13:49 | gmcharlt | mtompset: but n.b. bug 8515 |
| 13:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8515 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPAC password change does not obey OpacPasswordChange |
| 13:50 | mtompset | I was attempting to learn, not actually do. Thanks. :) |
| 13:55 | oleonard | I think my kids take that to heart: Don't learn how to do something or mom and dad will start asking you to do it |
| 13:56 | nengard | is solr integration done? I see that there is a SearchEngine preference in master |
| 13:56 | is that just there for when we add solr? | |
| 13:57 | tcohen | is the proposed SolR setup multi-instance capable? |
| 13:59 | I mean, can we have a single SolR server and several koha instances? | |
| 13:59 | nengard | i don't know ? all i know is that I'm updating the manual with new stuff and there is a new preference that lets you choose Solr or Zebra |
| 14:00 | I think it's just there as a placeholder ? but want confirmation | |
| 14:01 | magnuse | i think 8233 is mostly pushed? |
| 14:01 | bug 8233 | |
| 14:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else |
| 14:01 | tcohen | yeah, i've been reading it |
| 14:01 | kf | nengard: you can make it work, but it's experimental |
| 14:02 | tcohen | and is pushed into master |
| 14:02 | nengard | okay, I'll wait to document it |
| 14:02 | kf | tcohen: I think it's not working with packages yet -eythian would know |
| 14:02 | magnuse | paul_p says: "Follow-up provided, I agree it passes QA now, so pushing !" http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=8233#c24 |
| 14:02 | huginn | 04Bug 8233: major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else |
| 14:02 | kf | nengard: you could perhaps put a warning in that it's experimenta |
| 14:02 | l | |
| 14:02 | tcohen | i was asking if the solr setup can be used for having multiple instances |
| 14:02 | nengard | well technically master is experimental |
| 14:02 | kf | yes, it's in |
| 14:02 | tcohen | or if it is being taken into account at least |
| 14:02 | kf | nengard: yep, but also the feature is :) |
| 14:02 | nengard | but until it's integrated and i can actually use it and set it up I can't really document it accurately |
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| 14:03 | paul_p | nengard = for now, just write "solr is highly experimental, and the syspref must be set to zebra" |
| 14:04 | nengard | since this is the 3.10 manual - it's easier to just wait |
| 14:04 | once it's there i'll put it in the manual | |
| 14:04 | kf | nengard: the thing is you can make it work - it's only not recommended if you don't know what you are doing |
| 14:04 | like we did with other things in the past | |
| 14:04 | paul_p | kf is right nengard. it's like plack for staff for 3.8 |
| 14:05 | (except plack was not using a syspref) | |
| 14:05 | nengard | I'm sorry I started such a windstorm |
| 14:05 | paul_p | (so it was hidden for most ppl) |
| 14:05 | nengard (I don't see a windstorm ;-) ) | |
| 14:05 | nengard | I'm not going to igore the feature, just waiting to document it until it's ready ready ready - think of the 3.10 manual like master branch of Koha - it's a work in progress :) |
| 14:05 | I have a doc I keep telling me what features need documenting still :) | |
| 14:06 | It's listed in there | |
| 14:06 | kf | nengard: sorry too - only wanted to say, there is nothing missing or waiting to be pushed. it's functional :) I think you could even try it - but I don't knwo what else is needed. probably installing lots of packages .) |
| 14:06 | nengard | Okay, is there a list of those packages on the bug report - i haven't read it yet - really hungry so i need to grab a bite |
| 14:06 | brb | |
| 14:07 | kf | paul_p: that right? |
| 14:07 | jcamins | kf: to use solr you have to install a lot of things from CPAN. |
| 14:08 | nengard | back |
| 14:08 | paul_p | yes, well, yes it is. more or less, because authorities, for example, are far from working well |
| 14:08 | nengard | so what i'm going to need to know is how to document this for the regular users - something like "if you choose zebra you need to have your sys admin install and set up this stuff and if you choose zolr you need your sys admin to set up and install this stuff" |
| 14:08 | not now | |
| 14:09 | but when we're ready | |
| 14:09 | jcamins | nengard: how about, "for Zebra, follow the instructions in INSTALL.debian. Do not use solr unless you are a developer working on it, in which case you can take a look at [wiki page]"? |
| 14:10 | paul_p | nengard = if you want to play with sold = http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]hEngine_Layer_RFC (well, i'm not sure you'll find it is a funny game :D :D ) |
| 14:10 | nengard | HA |
| 14:10 | not fun at all :) | |
| 14:11 | well ? not fun for me :) | |
| 14:11 | I know some people who woulkd disagree | |
| 14:14 | paul_p | nengard = some ppl are strange in what they like. It is rumored that some [wo]men are pleased when ... cataloguing in MARC21 !!! I can't believe it !!! |
| 14:14 | nengard | LOL |
| 14:14 | jcamins | paul_p: hehe. |
| 14:14 | nengard | not just women |
| 14:14 | jcamins | Not me. |
| 14:14 | nengard | I know men who like it too |
| 14:14 | I do have a question on another topic -the patron import tool | |
| 14:14 | there has been some comments to me recently about documentation not being quite right ? here's what i have | |
| 14:15 | paul_p | nengard = thus the [wo]men, which mean that it's men & women ;-) |
| 14:15 | nengard | first, does the csv require that all of the headings are there even if there is no data? |
| 14:15 | second, how do you format the date - i always say YYYY-MM-DD but the page says you can use your local format | |
| 14:15 | jcamins | We should redo the patron import tool incorporating some of druthb's brilliant patron import scripts. |
| 14:16 | nengard | third, i submitted a bug for: 8504 |
| 14:16 | wizzyrea | bug 8504 |
| 14:16 | nengard | bug 8504 |
| 14:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8504 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , patron import explains attributes import wrong |
| 14:16 | wizzyrea | keke |
| 14:16 | nengard | :) |
| 14:16 | * wizzyrea | highfives nengard |
| 14:17 | nengard | :) |
| 14:17 | gmcharlt | nengard: to answer your first question, you don't need to supply all of the headings, just the ones for the mandatory fields and fields you wish to upate |
| 14:17 | nengard | jcamins i agree - but for now - what is right? |
| 14:17 | thanks gmcharlt | |
| 14:18 | what about borrowernumber - do we want to remove that column or leave it and keep it blank? I know we had some issues with this in the past and I was saying to remove that column | |
| 14:18 | jcamins | (just commenting) |
| 14:18 | bug 8504 | |
| 14:18 | nengard: I don't know. I don't use it. I was just making conversation. ;) | |
| 14:18 | kf | nengard: I think the dateformat setting is used |
| 14:18 | nengard: actually pretty suere - for the formatting of the dates | |
| 14:18 | nengard | conversation?? I'm all business this morning ;) hehe |
| 14:18 | kf so it does have to be YYYY-MM-DD | |
| 14:19 | gmcharlt | nengard: I'd say keep it -- in principle it is useful as a way to update records if you know the patron ID |
| 14:19 | kf | well, if that is your dateformat setting |
| 14:19 | gmcharlt | for example, if you send your patron records out to have their addresses updated |
| 14:19 | kf | for me it's 01/01/2012 |
| 14:19 | mtompset | high fiving is business? Sounds like business is too fun. ;) |
| 14:19 | nengard | Oh you said you DO think it's used - i need to read more carefully |
| 14:19 | gmcharlt that makes sense | |
| 14:19 | and thanks kf that too make sense | |
| 14:20 | so I was wrong on the date | |
| 14:20 | mtompset | YYYY-MM-DD rarely gets misunderstood. |
| 14:20 | It's a lovely date format. :) | |
| 14:20 | nengard | I agree |
| 14:20 | but most librarians do not | |
| 14:20 | they are fussy about that date format | |
| 14:20 | and want it M/D/YY | |
| 14:21 | magnuse | which is totally loony |
| 14:21 | ;-) | |
| 14:21 | nengard | non programmer librarians I should say |
| 14:21 | and I agree!! | |
| 14:21 | loony | |
| 14:21 | mtompset | Yes, but if you open the CSV in Excel, it will convert it to that. |
| 14:21 | nengard | that's loony too - i hate when excel changes my date formats on me |
| 14:21 | drives me bonkers | |
| 14:21 | but yes, you are right | |
| 14:21 | mtompset | Yes, but it gives those non-programming librarians what they want. |
| 14:22 | wizzyrea | they need to change what they want. :P |
| 14:22 | nengard | exactly!! |
| 14:22 | mtompset | Don't change the back-end, let them change the front-end. |
| 14:22 | and if they double click in windows, they won't know the difference! | |
| 14:23 | (because of Excel's annoying defaults) | |
| 14:24 | wizzyrea | (I recognize that asking them to change what they want is kind of rude. However, if you are changing your ILS, you're already asking for a whole boatload of changes that you will be forced to adapt to. Why not one more. :P) |
| 14:25 | mtompset | Say that international standards prefer YYYY-MM-DD for cross-compatibility with a host of Operating Systems and Applications. |
| 14:25 | wizzyrea | naw, it's not about the tech |
| 14:25 | because that causes rebellion | |
| 14:25 | it is that way because it is | |
| 14:25 | kf | nengard: I will look at my sample patron data import to make absolutely sure |
| 14:26 | nengard: yep, I have DD/MM/YYYY in there and it worked so far :) | |
| 14:26 | * magnuse | wanders off to make pizza (soon) |
| 14:26 | jcamins | Lucky magnuse! |
| 14:26 | * mtompset | nods. |
| 14:27 | mtompset | I wish I was in Canada. I would so be ordering pizza right about now. |
| 14:27 | (assuming it was Friday night) | |
| 14:28 | jcamins, could you confirm that CGI::Session::Driver::memcached is not in Debian 6.0.X? | |
| 14:28 | jcamins | mtompset: confirmed. |
| 14:28 | mtompset | Sweet. |
| 14:28 | do you happen to have a debian 7.0.X lying around? | |
| 14:29 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 14:29 | mtompset | Anyone here have a debian 7.0.X lying around? |
| 14:29 | jcamins | Actually, right now I'm slumming and using Windows. |
| 14:29 | Alas. | |
| 14:29 | * mtompset | grins. |
| 14:30 | nengard | who's in charge of updating schema.k-c? |
| 14:30 | Lots of new db documentation patches were pushed recently but don't show on that page | |
| 14:30 | it was last updated in May | |
| 14:30 | jcamins | It should say on the wiki. |
| 14:33 | wizzyrea | rangi and/or eythian updates schem |
| 14:33 | schema | |
| 14:33 | nengard | hmmm it's not http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]te_Administration |
| 14:33 | we should add that | |
| 14:33 | wizzyrea | they use a tool, and it's easy to use too, you can generate your own schema |
| 14:34 | * wizzyrea | tries to remember what it is |
| 14:34 | nengard | @later tell rangi can you update schema.k-c there were new documentation patches pushed that don't show there :) thanks!!! |
| 14:34 | huginn | nengard: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:34 | wizzyrea | schemaspy |
| 14:34 | nengard | schemaspy |
| 14:34 | jinx | |
| 14:34 | * wizzyrea | curses (silently) |
| 14:34 | nengard | hehe |
| 14:34 | mtompset | Where's the high five? ;) |
| 14:35 | nengard | she doesn't want to high five me for jinxing her |
| 14:35 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 14:35 | ago43 | wizzyrea owes nengard a coke. |
| 14:35 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 14:35 | * nengard | doesn't drink soda |
| 14:35 | * wizzyrea | either |
| 14:35 | nengard | but thanks :) |
| 14:35 | mtompset | beverage of her choosing. |
| 14:35 | nengard | hehe |
| 14:35 | chris_n | green tea perhaps... |
| 14:36 | nengard | YUM |
| 14:36 | that I do like | |
| 14:36 | * wizzyrea | tries to remember… fruity cocktails? |
| 14:36 | wizzyrea | not beer... |
| 14:36 | nengard | I have a cabinet in my kitchen that has just tea in it - two whole shelves |
| 14:36 | wizzyrea | tea it is then :) |
| 14:36 | nengard | wizzyrea is right - cocktails |
| 14:36 | jcamins | nengard: just two? :P |
| 14:36 | nengard | my favorite at home is the Bananasplitini at my local bar |
| 14:36 | jcamins they're tall and deep | |
| 14:36 | jcamins | nengard: okay, then. |
| 14:36 | nengard | :) |
| 14:37 | jcamins | I have very short shelves full of teas... four of them. |
| 14:37 | nengard | I came home from KohaCon with 4 new teas |
| 14:37 | one of them i drank a lot while i was there cause i was sick ? it was lemon green | |
| 14:37 | chris_n | lemon_grass++ |
| 14:37 | * paul_p | would be happy to eat an american cookie for 4PM (that the clock says it is here ;-) ) |
| 14:38 | mtompset | Well, the apt-file updates are painfully slow in my test system jcamins. But I think I have a viable script now. |
| 14:38 | * chris_n | had a couple of pounds from Singapore that was excellent |
| 14:38 | jcamins | mtompset: slow is fine. |
| 14:38 | Our favorite tea is from Russia. It's labeled (in English! with no Russian anywhere) "Milky Oolong." | |
| 14:38 | * chris_n | hands paul_p a whole box of cookies |
| 14:39 | mtompset | Oolong is good, but I can't understand people putting milk in tea. |
| 14:39 | jcamins | mtompset: no, there's no milk in it. |
| 14:39 | mtompset | Here in the Philippines there is a 5-in-1 tea... let me see if I can find a reference to it. |
| 14:40 | jcamins | We figure it was a mistranslation of something. |
| 14:40 | mtompset | never mind... I confused it with coffee. |
| 14:40 | jcamins | Oolong... coffee? |
| 14:40 | o.O | |
| 14:41 | mtompset | http://www.jimms5in1coffee.ph/ -- no 5-in-1 coffee. |
| 14:41 | No, Oolong is tea. | |
| 14:42 | jcamins | mtompset: yes, I know. That's why I was so confused. |
| 14:42 | mtompset | I thought the 5-in-1 was tea. |
| 14:45 | ago43 | Is there any way to limit a search by "starts with"? For example, a Dewey call number that starts with '151', and gets all '151.*', but not '*151*' results. |
| 14:46 | jcamins | ago43: there is. |
| 14:46 | mtompset | And the magic way is? |
| 14:46 | * jcamins | is looking. |
| 14:46 | ago43 | yes, how? |
| 14:47 | mtompset | BTW, seems like the missing library is 6.0.5 is in 7.0.X |
| 14:48 | jcamins | callnum,rtrn:151 |
| 14:48 | Might work. | |
| 14:48 | Otherwise, just use PQF. | |
| 14:49 | Frankly, though, I think you'll have a lot more luck with PQF. | |
| 14:49 | (@attr 5=1) | |
| 14:51 | * jcamins | uses this as an opportunity to point out that a search rewrite really *is* necessary. |
| 14:52 | ago43 | I'd agree with the last comment. |
| 14:52 | mtompset | jcamins? |
| 14:52 | wahanui | jcamins is A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins |
| 14:52 | * mtompset | grins. |
| 14:52 | jcamins | Hey-! Someone just proposed a search rewrite. |
| 14:53 | mtompset | I didn't put that. It's been there for days. |
| 14:53 | jcamins | mtompset: I know. |
| 14:53 | mtompset: however, someone *did* just propose a search rewrite. Even put up an RFC on the wiki with itemized costs and everything. | |
| 14:53 | Nifty, eh? | |
| 14:54 | mtompset | That is a good thing (tm) |
| 14:57 | ago43 | what is PQF? Prefix Query Format? |
| 14:57 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 14:57 | pqf? | |
| 14:57 | wahanui | i think pqf is Prefix Query Format |
| 14:57 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 14:58 | mtompset | Hey, you were referencing yourself. :P |
| 14:58 | oleonard | Potted Quail Fondue |
| 14:58 | jcamins | pqf is also at http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/tools.html#PQF |
| 14:58 | wahanui | okay, jcamins. |
| 14:58 | jcamins | pqf? |
| 14:58 | wahanui | hmmm... pqf is Prefix Query Format or at http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/tools.html#PQF |
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| 14:59 | mtompset | Greetings, limon -- what's with the different nick? |
| 14:59 | limon | Mood of the day (motd) |
| 15:00 | mtompset | Whatever floats your boat. :) |
| 15:00 | jcamins, should I attach this script to a bug report? | |
| 15:00 | jcamins | mtompset: yes please. |
| 15:01 | It's actually for the release-tools repo, so I can format it into a patch and give you credit. | |
| 15:01 | limon | We're in a drought here, no need for a boat. http://www.crh.noaa.gov/eax/?n=drought |
| 15:01 | ago43 | Pretty Quickly Fuzzled here. Trying callnum,rtrn:151 didn't change the results. Do I need to add anything to a standard Koha install? |
| 15:01 | mtompset | okay, fits your fancy -- is that a better idiom? :) |
| 15:02 | jcamins | ago43: well, as I said, I wasn't too optimistic about it working, notwithstanding the fact that callnum,rtrn should be valid, functional CCL. |
| 15:02 | Note point 1c on my rewrite proposal about our query parser. | |
| 15:02 | (and awfulness) | |
| 15:02 | ;) | |
| 15:02 | ago43 | okay, thanks jcamins! |
| 15:02 | limon | @see slef |
| 15:03 | huginn | limon: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 15:03 | limon | @seen slef |
| 15:03 | huginn | limon: slef was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 31 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <slef> heheh kurlha |
| 15:03 | jcamins | ago43: you'll just have to use PQF for the search... hopefully this is not a search that users will be performing manually. |
| 15:04 | slef | huh? |
| 15:04 | ago43 | well, a librarian was asking for it ... |
| 15:05 | jcamins | ago43: ah. Well, suggest they might want to get involved in the search rewrite. |
| 15:05 | :) | |
| 15:05 | wizzyrea | yes, I think the above is the answer to most librarian questions |
| 15:05 | re: search | |
| 15:05 | "help pay for the rewrite, it'll make it better and you'll have a say" | |
| 15:06 | jcamins | wizzyrea: true. Unfortunately, that's not even a marketing thing. |
| 15:06 | That's actually the answer. | |
| 15:06 | slef | wahanui: the answer to most librarian search questions is "help pay for the rewrite, it'll make it better and you'll have a say" |
| 15:06 | wahanui | OK, slef. |
| 15:06 | mtompset | *THE* answer. :) |
| 15:06 | slef | 42 |
| 15:06 | ago43 | 43 is better. |
| 15:06 | slef | the sixth question? |
| 15:06 | wahanui | somebody said the sixth question was "Why are you still asking wahanui?" or "How bored are you?" |
| 15:06 | * mtompset | grins. |
| 15:07 | mtompset | the fifth element? |
| 15:07 | wizzyrea | the fifth element is love |
| 15:07 | the fifth element? | |
| 15:07 | jcamins | ago43: thinking about it, you'll have trouble if you want to use PQF, too. |
| 15:07 | wahanui | i heard the fifth element was love |
| 15:07 | wizzyrea | word. |
| 15:07 | * mtompset | grins. |
| 15:07 | slef | that's actually? |
| 15:07 | * wizzyrea | highfives mtompset |
| 15:07 | * mtompset | high fives wizzyrea back. |
| 15:07 | jcamins | ago43: we do some PQF preprocessing, and the "151" bit is liable to get mistreated. |
| 15:08 | slef | by the way, what? |
| 15:08 | wahanui | by the way, is it ok to install the Gnome environment, or should I just stick to the Debian command-line (which I'd prefer not to do… very limiting to have to do every single thing via the command line) |
| 15:08 | slef | network? |
| 15:08 | wahanui | hmmm... network is very patchy |
| 15:08 | jcamins | ago43: however, useful piece of advice: always double quote all search terms in PQF queries. |
| 15:09 | wizzyrea | oh no, It's totally not a marketing thing |
| 15:09 | it really is the answer. | |
| 15:09 | mtompset | it really? |
| 15:09 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 15:09 | it? | |
| 15:09 | wahanui | it is not. |
| 15:09 | jcamins | really? |
| 15:09 | slef | wahanui: what's our favourite tea? |
| 15:09 | wahanui | no idea, slef |
| 15:10 | slef | wahanui: favourite tea? |
| 15:10 | wahanui | i don't know, slef |
| 15:10 | jcamins | really is <reply> Of course! |
| 15:10 | really? | |
| 15:10 | wahanui | Of course! |
| 15:10 | * slef | eviscerates wahanui |
| 15:10 | * mtompset | laughs, "Poor bot." |
| 15:10 | * wizzyrea | stuffs wahanui's guts back in |
| 15:10 | sews him up carefully | |
| 15:10 | pats him "it'll be ok" | |
| 15:11 | gmcharlt | @enable armour_plating |
| 15:11 | huginn | gmcharlt: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 15:11 | jcamins | @whoami |
| 15:11 | huginn | jcamins: jcamins |
| 15:12 | jcamins | @whoami |
| 15:12 | huginn | jcamins: jcamins |
| 15:13 | jcamins | wahanui: @whoami is <reply> 24601! |
| 15:13 | wahanui | i already had it that way, jcamins. |
| 15:13 | jcamins | @whoami |
| 15:13 | huginn | jcamins: jcamins |
| 15:13 | jcamins | @whoami? |
| 15:13 | wahanui | 24601! |
| 15:13 | huginn | jcamins: downloading the Perl source |
| 15:15 | mtompset | Was that cascade intentional, jcamins? |
| 15:15 | kf | have a nice weekend all :) |
| 15:15 | jcamins | mtompset: I was having trouble getting wahanui to respond properly. |
| 15:15 | mtompset | you too, kf |
| 15:16 | @whoami | |
| 15:16 | huginn | mtompset: I don't recognize you. |
| 15:16 | mtompset | @whoami? |
| 15:16 | wahanui | 24601! |
| 15:16 | huginn | mtompset: I suck |
| 15:16 | mtompset | WHAT?! |
| 15:16 | jcamins | mtompset: see, still not ideal. |
| 15:17 | mtompset | I'm just testing the script from a directory different than koha_perl_deps.pl |
| 15:18 | jcamins | Yes, very important. |
| 15:20 | mtompset | I tested with the 4 sources.list files you gave. |
| 15:21 | found a bug. .... | |
| 15:22 | oleonard | Patron attributes in rows instead of a table: http://screencast.com/t/n3MEfDK0rblH |
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| 15:22 | mtompset | Forgot to include $KPD directory in the path for the final phase. DOH! |
| 15:24 | jcamins | gmcharlt: BTW, any chance you could give me write access to the release-tools repo on git.k-c.org? |
| 15:27 | gmcharlt | chris_n: no objection to jcamins request, I assume? |
| 15:28 | wizzyrea | ohh that's pretty |
| 15:28 | chris_n | gmcharlt: go for it :-) |
| 15:28 | * mtompset | grins, "Is this because of the impending script, jcamins?" |
| 15:28 | gmcharlt | jcamins: done |
| 15:28 | jcamins | mtompset: actually, I've been meaning to ask gmcharlt for months. |
| 15:28 | gmcharlt++ # thanks | |
| 15:28 | mtompset: you just reminded me shortly after a gmcharlt spotting. :) | |
| 15:29 | mtompset | Glad to be a reminder. :) |
| 15:30 | Any suggestions for the bug report title, jcamins? | |
| 15:30 | jcamins | "Script to automatically generate package lists"? |
| 15:31 | * mtompset | shrugs, "Seems good enough." |
| 15:31 | mtompset | Just doing another test run now. |
| 15:32 | version unspecified and say that it is useful in all versions? | |
| 15:33 | jcamins | Yeah, that makes sense. |
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| 15:33 | jcamins | I'll close it once the script has been incorporated into release-tools. |
| 15:34 | mtompset | Component? |
| 15:35 | jcamins | mtompset: contribs. |
| 15:38 | mtompset | Okay. Working on making the (bug) Enhancement report. |
| 15:39 | oleonard | gmcharlt: Re: Bug 8515, do you not see an error message when you navigate to the password change page? |
| 15:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8515 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPAC password change does not obey OpacPasswordChange |
| 15:42 | jcamins | Apostrophes in searches on the OPAC. Remind me how we work around our stupid parser for those? |
| 15:43 | gmcharlt | oleonard: ah, I see what you mean |
| 15:43 | opac-passwd.tt hids the form elements | |
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| 15:43 | oleonard | gmcharlt: ...which is more than other pages do in cases where they can be "turned off" |
| 15:44 | Is there mechanism based on access which could better handle this kind of situation? | |
| 15:44 | gmcharlt | that said, there is still a bug there -- if somebody *also* supplies the form parameters, they can still change the password |
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| 15:45 | oleonard | See: opac suggestions, messaging preferences, patron details |
| 15:45 | gmcharlt | as far as the mechanism goes, I think as a general rule any CGI script that can be "turned off" should check whether it is allowed to run as one of the first actions it does |
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| 15:46 | gmcharlt | besides just adding the necessary code, one approach that may help enforce this would be adding an option so that get_template_and_user can be (ab)used to check preconditions on whether a feature is enabled |
| 15:46 | reiveune | bye |
| 15:46 | gmcharlt | and present a generic "feature is disabled page" if it isn't |
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| 15:49 | slef | @query city |
| 15:49 | huginn | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1153 minor, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , opac-userupdate.pl update to allow moderation, and templatize |
| 15:49 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3777 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Field Sizes Inconsistent | |
| 15:49 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8148 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , ldap authentication should FAIL if ldap contains NEW password, and user types the PREVIOUS password | |
| 15:49 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8168 minor, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , ersatz CSV header in attachment of overdue notices sent to administrator | |
| 15:49 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8287 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , remove filter on checked out from overdues | |
| 15:49 | slef | @query city search |
| 15:49 | huginn | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , Broken encoding in members home/search page |
| 15:49 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5904 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, paul.poulain, Patch doesn't apply , ysearch.pl members improvements (Independant branches behaviour) | |
| 15:49 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Add ability search borrowers only on email / phone | |
| 15:49 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7319 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Improve specificity of title and breadcrumbs on acquisitions Z39.50 search pages | |
| 15:50 | slef | bug 7544 seems closest |
| 15:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Add ability search borrowers only on email / phone |
| 15:50 | slef | but I'm adding fields, not removing them |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | bug 6151 |
| 15:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6151 major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , IndependantBranches and HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn can prevent items from being checked in |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | @seen sekjal |
| 15:54 | huginn | wizzyrea: sekjal was last seen in #koha 6 days, 22 hours, 35 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <sekjal> melia: 8418 no longer applies |
| 15:56 | slef | added street address searchfields option - shall I post it as a new enh or a followup patch to bug 7544? |
| 15:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Add ability search borrowers only on email / phone |
| 15:57 | oleonard | I'd say a new bug slef |
| 15:57 | slef: Does it require an exact match? | |
| 15:58 | slef | oleonard: sames as the current searches |
| 15:59 | oleonard: so I don't remember. Do you? :) | |
| 15:59 | oleonard | Name searches obviously don't require an exact match, but email and phone searches do |
| 16:00 | ...a fact which severely limits their usefulness IMO | |
| 16:00 | slef | I think I know why the phone might - we have a problem with bracketed words, don't we? |
| 16:01 | * oleonard | doesn't know |
| 16:01 | slef | @query search brackets |
| 16:01 | huginn | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6448 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Signed Off , EAN-13 barcode support |
| 16:01 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5369 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , se queries with paranthesis fail | |
| 16:01 | wizzyrea | oh yea new bug for that slef |
| 16:02 | slef | Bug 8516 Submitted |
| 16:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8516 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add a "Street Address" search option to the patrons search |
| 16:04 | mtompset | Oooo... olympic opening ceremony in approx. 4 hours. |
| 16:04 | slef | mtompset: did you like my status update this morning? |
| 16:05 | mtompset | You're asking in the middle of a 2L Mountain Dew coding-run. My memory is shot. Refresh me. |
| 16:05 | slef | mjray, about 9 hours ago: At 0812, many bells in GB will be rung to warn of the invasion of the Olympics. Please RT to help warn ppl // from mustard [Kewstoke, Somerset, England, UK] |
| 16:06 | mtompset | Ah. But haven't you see the olympic security? |
| 16:06 | slef | mtompset: not yet. Maybe in the morning if I get this deployment finished (so probably not :( ) |
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| 16:08 | slef | patch submitted for bug 8516 |
| 16:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8516 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Add a "Street Address" search option to the patrons search |
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| 16:11 | wizzyrea | 4 hours! |
| 16:11 | eeeks | |
| 16:17 | slef | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18866153 if anyone hasn't seen the olympic seconds scandal |
| 16:17 | security, not seconds | |
| 16:18 | * oleonard | wonders why any city would want to have the Olympics |
| 16:18 | slef | although that's quite sympathetic... I understand there are actually 18000 army troops deployed now |
| 16:19 | oleonard: yeah... the Olympics being in London was part of the reason kohacon12 was in Edinburgh. Quite a few London hotels and venues were closed for refurbishment, creating a supply shortage, so increased prices. | |
| 16:19 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 16:21 | slef | anyone know an easy way to rename a git branch OTTOTH? |
| 16:21 | OTTOTH is Off The Top Of Their Head | |
| 16:21 | OTTOMH? | |
| 16:21 | wahanui: OTTOMH? | |
| 16:21 | wahanui | no idea, slef |
| 16:21 | jcamins | git branch -m? |
| 16:21 | slef | OTTOTH is Off The Top Of My Head |
| 16:21 | oleonard | git branch -m <new name> |
| 16:21 | slef | thanks! |
| 16:22 | I was sure there was one but wasn't seeing it :-/ | |
| 16:22 | I was looking around commit --amend which was the wrong place | |
| 16:23 | jcamins | Yup. If you want to move a single commit, you could use git cherry-pick. |
| 16:23 | slef | I do, far too often :-/ |
| 16:23 | and rebase | |
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| 16:36 | jcamins | nengard: do you have anything special in any of your sidebar prefs? |
| 16:36 | OPACNav or the other one(s)? | |
| 16:36 | (re: bug 8204) | |
| 16:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8204 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Authority viewer in OPAC ugly, unfriendly, and mostly useless |
| 16:39 | mtompset | Shoot! found another bug... good thing it's a coding fest. :) |
| 16:42 | jcamins | slef: here's how library catalogs are dealing with the cookie law: "We use cookies on this website. By continuing to use this site without changing your cookie settings, you agree that you are happy to accept our cookies and for us to access these on your device. Find out more about how we use cookies and how to change your cookie settings." |
| 16:42 | slef | does anyone else type into the wrong text box on bugzilla and save a useless search named after the search terms you wanted to try next? |
| 16:42 | jcamins | slef: yes. |
| 16:43 | slef | jcamins: that's called implied consent and it's dodgy but legal in the UK at the moment... at least until someone bothers to appeal to the European courts |
| 16:44 | nengard | jcamins i have html in my opav nav |
| 16:45 | jcamins | nengard: anything unusual about it? |
| 16:45 | nengard | not that i see |
| 16:45 | * jcamins | isn't sure what would make it "unusual." ;) |
| 16:45 | nengard | it's a basic list |
| 16:45 | pastebot | "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "my opacnav" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/62 |
| 16:45 | jcamins | Hm, yeah, nothing unusual about that. |
| 16:46 | I will look into it this weekend. | |
| 16:47 | Bug 7716 | |
| 16:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7716 enhancement, P3, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , Statistical/analytic item type |
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| 17:05 | * oleonard | goes to get his ears lowered |
| 17:06 | mtompset | jcamins: I was wondering... Is debian 4.0.x unsupported now? |
| 17:07 | jcamins | mtompset: oh yes. |
| 17:07 | mtompset | So basically, only one stable debian is active at a time? |
| 17:07 | jcamins | mtompset: I suppose it might be a good idea to produce a list for Lenny (5.0) too, though I don't think anyone has tried installing Koha on Lenny since 3.2. |
| 17:07 | mtompset: I believe so. | |
| 17:07 | SJeffery | There's an academic library looking for info on Koha on the ACAT mailing list if anyone wants to take a shot. |
| 17:07 | jcamins | liw would know for sure. |
| 17:08 | SJeffery: yeah, I sent her a message off-list. | |
| 17:08 | mtompset: security updates for Debian Lenny (5) were discontinued on February 6, 2012. | |
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| 17:09 | mtompset | So debian is really focused on a nice clean, stable install, rather than something that just works, even if it is the wrong way. |
| 17:09 | * cait | waves |
| 17:10 | mtompset | Hi, cait |
| 17:10 | cait | hi mtompset |
| 17:10 | jcamins | mtompset: I think they overlap by a few years, but the emphasis is on stability. |
| 17:10 | liw: is it fair to say that there is no reason to worry about whether Koha would install on Lenny or Etch? | |
| 17:12 | mtompset | though, once this script is working properly... you could tell easily. ;) |
| 17:12 | jcamins | True. |
| 17:15 | mtompset | Also, I was wondering... since it really doesn't make sense to check the debian.packages file (there is the koha-common package after all), will it be removed? or perhaps renamed for historical purposes (Lenny/Etch)? |
| 17:16 | jcamins | mtompset: it should probably be removed. |
| 17:16 | slef | jcamins: what numbers are lenny/etch? |
| 17:16 | cait | hm |
| 17:16 | reading the mail on the list | |
| 17:17 | what does date in predictions mean | |
| 17:17 | ? | |
| 17:17 | slef | one is 4.0 and can be ignored, not sure how else |
| 17:17 | jcamins | slef: Lenny=5, Etch=4. |
| 17:17 | slef | cait: is that about serials? |
| 17:17 | cait | thought it did calculate dates and also that we did have a quarterly pattern |
| 17:17 | jcamins | cait: I have no idea. |
| 17:17 | cait | yep |
| 17:17 | jcamins | cait: as far as I know it does, and we do. |
| 17:17 | cait | so I am confused that they say both is missing :( |
| 17:17 | must be something else? | |
| 17:17 | ok, so it's not only me | |
| 17:17 | slef | I think it's easy to break with options. I've a bug report about it somewhere in the co-op which I need to check and maybe send on. |
| 17:18 | jcamins | Maybe that's not in LLAK, or something? |
| 17:18 | slef | sysprefs not options |
| 17:18 | * mtompset | cheers, "My --full=0 and --full=1 output matches as expected!" |
| 17:18 | cait | jcamins: I think it has always worked that way |
| 17:18 | we didn't change much in serials | |
| 17:18 | slef | jcamins: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny says that is discontinued too, so I don't think there's any reason to worry about them. |
| 17:18 | jcamins | cait: well, there goes that idea. |
| 17:19 | slef: yeah, that was my thought, too. | |
| 17:19 | slef | not on 3.8+ anyway |
| 17:19 | mtompset | I wasn't thinking 3.8 for lenny. |
| 17:19 | I was thinking 3.6 | |
| 17:20 | slef | 3.6 maybe should continue to care for a few months, as it'll have some users on lenny still (because some people won't upgrade during the academic year) |
| 17:20 | * slef | reads scrollback |
| 17:21 | slef | mtompset: debian.packages should be removed once there is some script to run to tell people which packages to install (maybe what's used to generate debian/control ?) |
| 17:21 | mtompset | I'm about to post a nice script. :) |
| 17:22 | It is based on the assumption that C4::Install::PerlDependencies.pm is up to date and correct. :) | |
| 17:22 | (forgive any typos in the name) | |
| 17:22 | slef | mtompset: if it's not, we're dead six ways. |
| 17:23 | mtompset | Yes, that's true. |
| 17:23 | What was that sources.list url you found, jcamins? | |
| 17:23 | jcamins | Uhhh... |
| 17:23 | mtompset | I want to put it in the comments. |
| 17:24 | jcamins | http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 17:25 | slef | RMaint? |
| 17:25 | wahanui | RMaint are rangi and jcamins |
| 17:27 | slef | 3.8.x RMaint? |
| 17:27 | 3.8.x? | |
| 17:27 | wahanui | it has been said that 3.8.x is known to be unstable. |
| 17:27 | slef | wahanui: forget 3.8.x |
| 17:27 | wahanui | slef: I forgot 3.8.x |
| 17:28 | slef | @later tell rangi would you like to fix the print message in http://git.koha-community.org/[…]85;hb=3.8.x#l5242 without comment or shall I open a brown-paper-bag bug? ;) |
| 17:28 | huginn | slef: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:35 | mtompset | Still attaching script... however, bug 8517, jcamins |
| 17:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8517 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Script to automatically generate package lists |
| 17:35 | jcamins | mtompset: I saw. :) |
| 17:37 | mtompset | How do you obsolete an attachment without adding one? |
| 17:37 | jcamins | bugzilla? |
| 17:37 | wahanui | bugzilla is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org |
| 17:38 | jcamins | No, that's not the link. |
| 17:38 | Bugs? | |
| 17:38 | wahanui | well, Bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too. |
| 17:38 | jcamins | No, that's not the link. |
| 17:38 | I don't remember exactly how. | |
| 17:38 | You click on "Details," and then click a few more times. | |
| 17:38 | There's a page on the wiki with instructions. | |
| 17:39 | mtompset | found it... thanks. |
| 17:39 | where is this going again? release tools? | |
| 17:40 | jcamins | mtompset: that's my thought. |
| 17:40 | This is a script that RMaints and RMs will want to run frequently. | |
| 17:41 | I suppose we could also include it in install_misc, if you think end users are likely to need it. | |
| 17:42 | mtompset | well, I know we prefer Debian. |
| 17:42 | slef | they will if they install from tar.gz |
| 17:42 | mtompset | Yes. |
| 17:42 | Installing from .tar.gz will. | |
| 17:42 | jcamins | slef: but we'll have the generated files and instructions to use them. |
| 17:42 | mtompset | I know we install for Ubuntu. |
| 17:43 | jcamins | I guess the problem is that you don't know *which* packages you're missing using those files. |
| 17:43 | mtompset | Yes, this generates things to add to the end of existing files as dependencies increase. |
| 17:44 | No, you don't. | |
| 17:44 | Except the dpkg command will. :) | |
| 17:44 | jcamins | mtompset: my thought is it will be run prior to any release, so that any tarball will include up-to-date dependency lists. |
| 17:44 | mtompset | for ubuntu and debian. |
| 17:45 | But what other OS'? | |
| 17:45 | slef | they splat their disk with cpan, probably :-/ |
| 17:45 | jcamins | mtompset: the script won't work with non-apt distros. |
| 17:45 | mtompset | True. |
| 17:46 | slef | but hey if it's rpm-based, their disk is chaos anyway ;) |
| 17:46 | mtompset | slef: this script is intended to help ELIMINATE the use of CPAN. |
| 17:46 | slef | mtompset: on debian-derived ones, for which I commend you. |
| 17:46 | jcamins | slef: it'd be nice to be able to offer a list of dependencies for RPM-based distros, but I'm not sure there is an equivalent. |
| 17:46 | mtompset | Actually, that's a good question... |
| 17:47 | I have access to a CentOS box... | |
| 17:47 | is there an apt-file for it... | |
| 17:47 | jcamins | rpm -qf? |
| 17:47 | mtompset | if we could come up with equivalent rpm-based commands... |
| 17:47 | we could make the script truly generic. | |
| 17:47 | jcamins | No, that won't work. |
| 17:48 | That only tells you if the file has already been installed, I think. | |
| 17:48 | Oh, no, maybe I'm wrong. | |
| 17:50 | Or yum provides | |
| 17:50 | limon | rpm -qa | grep somepkg |
| 17:50 | * jcamins | will let you test it on your CentOS box. |
| 17:50 | jcamins | limon: the problem is we want to find a package that hasn't been installed yet on the basis of a file name. |
| 17:51 | limon | rpm -qpR {.rpm-file} |
| 17:51 | mtompset | well... library name BLAH::Blah |
| 17:51 | apt-file find | |
| 17:51 | limon | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/h[…]s-a-rpm-file-has/ |
| 17:52 | ? | |
| 17:52 | jcamins | limon: the goal is to generate the dependency list, given a list of Perl modules that are needed. |
| 17:53 | mtompset | paste bot? |
| 17:53 | paste? | |
| 17:53 | wahanui | i heard paste was found at http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 17:54 | pastebot | "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "How we hunt in debian-systems" (30 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/64 |
| 17:54 | slef | yeah you probably want to be looking at yum not rpm |
| 17:54 | but I rarely use rpm-based systems now (yippee! At last we are moving on!) | |
| 17:54 | jcamins | slef: that is good! |
| 17:55 | mtompset: yum provides seems to be equivalent to apt-file find | |
| 18:01 | mtompset | yes, but I need an equivalent to apt-file list |
| 18:03 | limon | http://paste.koha-community.org/65 (does that link work?) |
| 18:03 | jcamins | I don't think RPMs have consistent package names. |
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| 18:06 | mtompset | rpm -q --filesbypkg sed-4.1.5-8.el5 |
| 18:06 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 18:06 | mtompset | I'd have to loop through rpm -qa |
| 18:07 | But I think I might be able to hack something together. | |
| 18:07 | jcamins | This is not nearly as important as the deb-based script, but it'd be cool to have. |
| 18:07 | dcook would certainly be grateful. | |
| 18:08 | mtompset | and RPM-based folks aren't going to install apt-get (if they are smart) |
| 18:08 | so, I think a simple 'which apt-get' | |
| 18:08 | will help me decide which method to use. :) | |
| 18:09 | slef | @marc 952 |
| 18:09 | wahanui | The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_fields_%289xx%29 |
| 18:09 | huginn | slef: unknown tag 952 |
| 18:16 | slef | how standardised are Authorized values? Can I rely on NOT_LOAN = 2 meaning staff collection, for example? |
| 18:20 | mtompset | is there a way to tell tr to only translate the FIRST character that matches and then stop? |
| 18:20 | I want to take something like: | |
| 18:20 | blah-blah /usr/..... | |
| 18:20 | jcamins | I don't know. That's how sed works. |
| 18:20 | mtompset | and turn it into: |
| 18:21 | blah-blah :usr/... | |
| 18:23 | jcamins | I'd use sed -e 's#/#:#' |
| 18:23 | slef | as long as you know blah-blah will never contain / |
| 18:23 | that seems good | |
| 18:24 | jcamins | Right. |
| 18:24 | mtompset | it won't |
| 18:24 | blah-blah is the package name. | |
| 18:24 | jcamins | Otherwise, 's#\t/#\t:#' |
| 18:25 | mtompset | oh that works splendidly! |
| 18:26 | for i in `rpm -qa`; do rpm -q --filesbypkg $i | grep "\.pm$" | sed -e 's#/#:#'; done | |
| 18:28 | remove the whitespace with a "tr -d' '" and "tr -d'{tab}'" | |
| 18:28 | and we're cooking with gas! | |
| 18:29 | perl-Pod-Simple :usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/Pod/Simple.pm | |
| 18:29 | see? Isn't that nice? | |
| 18:29 | slef | it looks to me like itemtypes.notforloan is only checked if C4::Context->preference('item-level_itypes') is set :-/ but I'll just check CanBookBeIssued to make sure |
| 18:29 | mtompset: or change | sed -e 's#/#:#' to | sed -e 's#/#:#;s/[[:space:]]//g' | |
| 18:29 | wahanui | slef: that doesn't look right |
| 18:29 | mtompset | I'm almost tempted to try to adapt the script for rpm-based OS' now. :) |
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| 18:30 | slef | I wonder what wahanui liked there. |
| 18:30 | mtompset | ooooh. even nicer, slef |
| 18:30 | slef | wahanui: are you OK? |
| 18:30 | wahanui | no idea, slef |
| 18:30 | slef | wahanui: figures |
| 18:30 | wahanui | I like *your* figure |
| 18:30 | jcamins | mtompset: go for it! |
| 18:30 | slef | wahanui: pervert! |
| 18:30 | wahanui | slef: sorry... |
| 18:31 | mtompset | maybe tomorrow afternoon. |
| 18:31 | I mean this afternoon. | |
| 18:32 | I suppose I'll just disallow --list-dir, --dist, and --release until RPM versions. | |
| 18:32 | ^until^under. | |
| 18:33 | limon | is wahanui gaining some modest measure of intelligence? |
| 18:33 | mtompset | wahanui: are you intelligent? |
| 18:33 | wahanui | mtompset: i haven't a clue |
| 18:34 | * mtompset | grins. |
| 18:34 | cait | slef: Ithink you can not really rely on it :( |
| 18:34 | slef: maybe make it configurable? the numeric value to be used for feature x? | |
| 18:34 | limon | allll righy. disregard previous query |
| 18:35 | cait | slef: sys pref or the like |
| 18:35 | jcamins | cait: I'm pretty sure it's already hardcoded. |
| 18:36 | cait | staff collection? |
| 18:36 | I am not aware on any functionality there | |
| 18:36 | but I might be wrong | |
| 18:36 | I think only on order -1 has some | |
| 18:36 | jcamins | Ah, yeah, not staff collection. |
| 18:36 | But on order. | |
| 18:36 | And not for loan. | |
| 18:36 | wahanui | somebody said not for loan was unset |
| 18:36 | cait | but you never know with Koha :) |
| 18:36 | jcamins | True. |
| 18:36 | limon | mtompset: do I remember that you are from Canada? |
| 18:36 | cait | but it's an optional value at installation... so was thinking that libraries could have used it for something else |
| 18:37 | I mean you can't be sure sadly | |
| 18:37 | Oak | night guys. night cait. |
| 18:37 | cait | night Oak :) |
| 18:37 | mtompset | Yes. |
| 18:37 | jcamins | cait: yeah, you're right. I was thinking of not for loan and on order, which mean the same thing no matter what text you put in. |
| 18:38 | limon | The Missouri State Library has taken note of some images of a library in Calgary, and passed the link to me knowing my interest. |
| 18:38 | slef | cait: yeah I think I'll not rely on it. |
| 18:38 | cait | in one of our libraries I have added more values, pretty much everything >0 works the same I think - but again, not sure of hidden features |
| 18:38 | slef | thanks |
| 18:38 | limon | https://secure.flickr.com/phot[…]ningspacetoolkit/ <also a couple from Edinburgh> |
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| 18:41 | mtompset | Well, I don't know... should I stay awake for another 1:20 to watch opening ceremonies? |
| 18:41 | martian523 | hi, i have question about marc display |
| 18:41 | mtompset | Or sleep, because the Mountain Dew has worn off? |
| 18:41 | martian523 | can koha show tag 880 instead of 245? |
| 18:41 | mtompset | Have a great day (24 hour period), folks. |
| 18:41 | cait | martian523: koha does show 880 fields |
| 18:41 | but not instead | |
| 18:42 | besides | |
| 18:42 | martian523 | instead of manually copy and pasting 880 fields to 245, 250...etc. |
| 18:42 | cait | so if you have a 880 for 245 in hebrew and a 245 with the transliteration, both show |
| 18:43 | * mtompset | waves |
| 18:43 | cait | if you download the record as marc you can see how it's cataloged |
| 18:43 | and it will only work in xslt displays of staff and opac so far | |
| 18:43 | martian523 | what i mean is i want the native characters to show in catalog instead of what's shown on marc |
| 18:43 | am i making sense here, sorry if i'm not | |
| 18:44 | jcamins | martian523: that is not possible. |
| 18:45 | slef | cait: koha could show 880 instead of 245 if you edit xslt, couldn't it? And you'd need to update the indexing and so on... sounds like a big job |
| 18:45 | jcamins | slef: massive job. |
| 18:46 | cait | slef: it could display instead, yes, that's probably not so hard even |
| 18:46 | the problem is the indexing | |
| 18:46 | you will have to use dom indexing to make it work right | |
| 18:46 | jcamins | You'd need DOM+ICU. |
| 18:46 | cait | because only indexing 880 will throw all information together |
| 18:46 | true | |
| 18:46 | martian523 | let's say, the title is in chinese, however, in marc 245 is the transliteration, the actual chinese title is in 880 field |
| 18:46 | cait | for hfjs we copy information into specific 9xx fields to make the indexing a bit smarter with grs |
| 18:47 | martian523: what you could also do is catalog in 245 directly... | |
| 18:47 | I think for search and if you don't do transliterations at all that would work | |
| 18:47 | martian523 | I would like the library catalog to show the chinese characters instead of the transliteration |
| 18:47 | cait | but jcamins will tell you perhaps that it's wrong doing that, I am not sure :) |
| 18:48 | jcamins | No, you *should* catalog directly into 245. |
| 18:48 | cait | but chinese also reads left to right, so it would not be bad for display at least |
| 18:48 | ah :) | |
| 18:48 | jcamins | martian523: to do that you will need a script to transfer the data from 880 to 245. |
| 18:50 | martian523 | however, other libraries, let's say fuller seminary library, their marc view for 245 is transliteration, 880 in native character, but the title shown on library catalog is in the native language |
| 18:50 | so i thought there's a way in koha that can show 880 fields instead of 245 fields | |
| 18:50 | jcamins | martian523: they had to customize their OPAC. |
| 18:51 | cait | martian523: you can do that, newer versions make it even easier |
| 18:51 | martian523 | would that be a super big project |
| 18:51 | cait | hae you tested some searches ? |
| 18:51 | in the fuller catalog? search is really the harder part | |
| 18:51 | and if you get the opac deatail and staff results right, it will still be 245 showing up in the notices | |
| 18:51 | jcamins | You could modify it to do that, but I wouldn't recommend it. |
| 18:51 | cait | and as a short title on other pages in Koha |
| 18:52 | using 245 directly will save you headache | |
| 18:52 | jcamins | Agreed. |
| 18:52 | martian523 | well, since all patrons for my library are chinese, they would prefer to read and search everything in chinese |
| 18:53 | jcamins | martian523: then don't use 880s. |
| 18:55 | martian523: regardless how you do this, it is going to take some programming. My recommendation would be to use vernacular script directly in 245 (etc.), so that everything remains consistent. | |
| 18:56 | * oleonard | didn't know schuster's library had gone independent |
| 18:56 | oleonard | Good for them |
| 18:57 | cait | :) |
| 18:58 | jcamins | oleonard: yup. |
| 18:58 | cait | Karam++ :) |
| 18:59 | oleonard | ? |
| 18:59 | jcamins | oleonard: Karam Qubsi has taken the initiative to make the manual translatable. |
| 19:05 | cait | mainly happening on the translate list :) |
| 19:05 | but it's really cool :) | |
| 19:09 | liw | jcamins, both lenny and etch are quite old by now, so I'd be a bit surprised if Koha .debs installed on them |
| 19:11 | jcamins | Actually, probably the version of Perl in Lenny is too old. |
| 19:20 | libsysguy | for POD documentation, is it better to put the POD above the function or at the bottom of the file? |
| 19:21 | jcamins | Keep the POD as close to what it documents as possible. |
| 19:21 | libsysguy | ok |
| 19:21 | thats the way I like it | |
| 19:21 | jcamins | Please refer to TAOCP for justification. :P |
| 19:21 | Also to cure insomnia. :) | |
| 19:22 | libsysguy | but that means I'll have to go fix Koha::Calendar :-/ |
| 19:22 | heh yayy documentation | |
| 19:22 | actually im getting my new book "Perl best practices" in today | |
| 19:22 | jcamins | libsysguy: you probably won't get dinged by QA for a single oversight in where you put POD. |
| 19:22 | Not including tests for all functionality, on the other hand, is an issue. | |
| 19:23 | Biiiig issue. | |
| 19:23 | If code coverage isn't darn close to 100%, that's bad. | |
| 19:23 | * libsysguy | is already rewriting the test this thing |
| 19:23 | libsysguy | its a beast |
| 19:26 | cait | libsysguy: give it cookies? |
| 19:26 | libsysguy | im not sure cookies would appease this monster cait |
| 19:26 | cait | hm |
| 19:26 | whip? | |
| 19:26 | whip and cookies. | |
| 19:27 | libsysguy | sounds kinky |
| 19:27 | cait | it's a saying in german |
| 19:27 | i think expressing a mix of being nice and being strict works best | |
| 19:28 | libsysguy | haha i did call "use strict" |
| 19:28 | :p | |
| 19:28 | cait | leo suggests it's the carrot and the stick in english? |
| 19:28 | libsysguy | yeah carrots and sticks |
| 19:28 | stinking Americans get no cookies | |
| 19:28 | :'( | |
| 19:28 | liw | they need to have a shower firswt |
| 19:29 | cait | lol |
| 19:29 | libsysguy | heh |
| 19:29 | oleonard | whip and cookies: http://www.examiner.com/images[…]_cream_cookie.JPG |
| 19:30 | cait | heh |
| 19:31 | * jcamins | calls it a day. |
| 19:31 | jcamins | I'll be back later, I suspect. |
| 19:33 | cait | bye jcamins_away |
| 19:52 | * oleonard | would like someone to please pick the winner of Bug 6209 |
| 19:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , Standardize on one javascript library for client-side form validation |
| 19:55 | cait | hm |
| 19:55 | the best one? | |
| 20:01 | * oleonard | waves good-weekend to #koha |
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| 20:06 | trea | is there anything required to enable ILS-DI in koha besides setting the ILS-DI syspref to "Enable" ? |
| 20:07 | cait | not sure, maybe give it the allowed ip addresses? |
| 20:09 | trea | yea, i'm wondering if it requires one defined |
| 20:11 | cait | I am not sure too, but maybe worth a test? or a look at the code |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | od. |
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| 20:26 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 20:26 | cait | gmc_in_exile: oh? |
| 20:27 | gmc_in_exile | some linodes in their Atlanta data center are having network connectivity issues |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea | oh no |
| 20:27 | gmc_in_exile | affecting huginn (and my IRC proxy) |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea | noooo |
| 20:27 | * wizzyrea | wonders about bugzilla |
| 20:27 | gmc_in_exile | different datacenter |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea | ah it's ok |
| 20:27 | cool | |
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| 20:30 | gmc_in_exile | @quote random |
| 20:30 | huginn | gmc_in_exile: Quote #150: "<libsysguy> jcamins is the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra" (added by wizzyrea at 03:07 PM, August 30, 2011) |
| 20:30 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 20:30 | libsysguy | hehe |
| 20:30 | gmc_in_exile | jcamins? |
| 20:30 | wahanui | somebody said jcamins was A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins |
| 20:31 | cait | @quite random |
| 20:31 | huginn | cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 20:31 | cait | @quote random |
| 20:31 | huginn | cait: Quote #134: "<cait> birthday wishes go over crazy bugs :)" (added by gmcharlt at 06:49 PM, May 20, 2011) |
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| 20:36 | gmc_in_exile | gmcharlt: at last, you're back |
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| 20:41 | wizzyrea | :D |
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| 20:59 | cait | night #koha :) |
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| 21:09 | wizzyrea | haha tim berners-lee was just in the olympic opening ceremonies |
| 21:09 | awesome. | |
| 21:40 | rangi | Did u see Mr bean? |
| 21:41 | jcamins_away | Mr. Bean? |
| 21:42 | rangi | Yep he was playing keyboard for chariots of fire |
| 21:42 | James bond was there earlier too | |
| 21:42 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 21:43 | rangi | It's been pretty fun watch |
| 21:43 | * jcamins | is trying to decide how critical blue cheese is to buffalo tofu. |
| 21:44 | jcamins | Thoughts? |
| 21:45 | rangi | Hmm isn't the cheese what makes it buffalo? |
| 21:46 | jcamins | I thought it was the spicy marinade. |
| 21:46 | rangi | Could be |
| 21:46 | It's a uniquely American thing | |
| 21:47 | jcamins | It's a tasty American thing. |
| 21:50 | rangi | Here comes the countries |
| 21:51 | Greece first as always | |
| 21:52 | 200 of them this will take a while | |
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| 22:31 | drojf | where is InstallAuth.pm supposed to be? it is not found by plack |
| 22:31 | in master that is | |
| 22:31 | jcamins | installer |
| 22:31 | It's a problem with your plackup script. | |
| 22:32 | You need use lib("/home/drojf/kohaclone/installer"); | |
| 22:32 | drojf | ah, cool. thanks |
| 22:37 | jcamins++ # that helped | |
| 22:37 | jcamins | Yay! |
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| 22:46 | martian523 | hi again |
| 22:46 | is there a way for koha to search for both 245 fields and 880 fields | |
| 22:48 | jcamins | At some point there will be, but not right now. |
| 22:48 | martian523 | ok.... |
| 22:49 | jcamins | (the problem is one of time... several people would be capable of implementing that feature, but we all need to make sure that we're spending our time on the projects that pay best) |
| 22:49 | And unfortunately, when I say "it's easy to do!" I don't actually mean "I could be done in time for dinner." ;) | |
| 22:50 | martian523 | i see, thank you |
| 22:50 | but it would super help for non english titles | |
| 22:50 | jcamins | It certainly would. |
| 22:50 | martian523 | instead of replacing 245 fields with 880 fields manually |
| 22:51 | jcamins | And some of my clients have records with vernacular scripts, so it's possible one day one of them will be interested in paying for the time it would take me to implement it. |
| 22:51 | Manually? | |
| 22:51 | Don't do it manually. | |
| 22:51 | Write a script to do it for you. | |
| 22:52 | martian523 | how do you do that? as you can see i'm not an IT person |
| 22:52 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 22:52 | martian523 | it would help me if you can give me some advice or a link to a help page |
| 22:52 | * jcamins | wasn't aware of that, actually. |
| 22:53 | thought you were the IT person in a library without a librarian. | |
| 22:53 | martian523 | it's actually the other way, i'm the librarian |
| 22:53 | trying to help the IT team to solve issues | |
| 22:54 | jcamins | That changes my advice somewhat. |
| 22:54 | martian523 | IT team is also new to koha |
| 22:55 | sorry, all along you thought i was IT, you must have thought i was a stupid IT person. ) | |
| 22:55 | =) | |
| 22:55 | jcamins | martian523: it did cross my mind, but since you were clearly trying, I tried not to be too short with you. |
| 22:55 | martian523 | hahaha so sorry |
| 22:55 | jcamins | No problem. |
| 22:56 | So, here are your options: | |
| 22:56 | Actually, let me back up. | |
| 22:56 | How many records do you have? | |
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| 22:56 | martian523 | well, let me tell you what we have now |
| 22:57 | JesseM | I have a question. How do we set Koha so staff and patrons can place holds on lost items? |
| 22:57 | jcamins | JesseM: there's a syspref for that. Something about lost. |
| 22:57 | martian523 | we migrated about 20000 titles to koha, half of them are chinese titles, those are ok, |
| 22:57 | JesseM | or is that possible at all |
| 22:57 | jcamins | Do a search for it? |
| 22:57 | That was supposed to be a period not a question mark. | |
| 22:58 | JesseM | thx Jared |
| 22:58 | martian523 | however, for new titles, we're trying to save time and download marc records from targets |
| 22:58 | jcamins | No, not lost. |
| 22:58 | * jcamins | tries again. |
| 22:59 | martian523 | those marc records are actually correct ones compare to our migrated records |
| 22:59 | do you understand where i'm trying to go? | |
| 22:59 | jcamins | JesseM: actually, I was thinking about AllowHoldsOnDamagedItems. |
| 22:59 | martian523: yup. | |
| 22:59 | martian523 | thanks |
| 22:59 | jcamins | I am pondering your situation. |
| 22:59 | JesseM | Thats what I was just going to ask you |
| 23:00 | jcamins | JesseM: I think you might be able to place holds on lost items if you have that set to allow. |
| 23:01 | martian523 | these correct marcs have the correct 245, 240, 260, etc. fields and 880 fields |
| 23:01 | jcamins | martian523: how many books do you add in a month? |
| 23:01 | martian523: also, my suggestion to write a script to change the records won't help at all. | |
| 23:02 | martian523 | plus for the migrated books, we will eventually want to import the correct marc from targets |
| 23:03 | jcamins | So, let's say "a lot." |
| 23:03 | martian523 | ok |
| 23:03 | jcamins | Unfortunately, this greatly curtails your options. |
| 23:04 | Basically, you need indexing to handle the 880s. | |
| 23:04 | martian523 | i mean, if it requires a script, i can ask the IT person to write it if he understands what i'm saying |
| 23:04 | jcamins | No, my suggestion to write a script was based on the assumption that the problem was the records you had migrated. |
| 23:05 | In fact, the migrated records are not a problem, it's the non-migrated records that are a problem. | |
| 23:05 | martian523 | yes, the newly downloaded marc |
| 23:06 | i don't understand how other libraries do it | |
| 23:07 | as i mentioned earlier this morning, i import marc from fuller, their record has both 245 and 880 | |
| 23:07 | however, they can search both fields, whereas koha cannot | |
| 23:08 | jcamins | There aren't many Koha libraries using original script. |
| 23:08 | Those that do mostly only search transliterations anyway. | |
| 23:08 | Right. Because someone paid for that ILS to have that feature. | |
| 23:08 | In this case, they're using Worldcat. | |
| 23:08 | This is where the open source nature of Koha comes in: you can easily hire someone to add this ability to Koha. | |
| 23:08 | Or, if your IT department is comfortable, they can do it themselves. | |
| 23:09 | (comfortable doing it) | |
| 23:09 | martian523 | so i guess it's pretty difficult |
| 23:09 | jcamins | Well... yes and no? |
| 23:09 | (helpful, huh?) | |
| 23:10 | On the one hand, it'd take a decent amount of time to do. | |
| 23:10 | On the other, it's now possible to implement in Koha in a straightforward way. | |
| 23:10 | Which is what open source is about, really: if it doesn't work for you, you can make it work. | |
| 23:12 | martian523 | so what should i suggest my IT to do? |
| 23:12 | jcamins | Personally, I would recommend you see if you can find money in the budget to hire someone to do the development. |
| 23:13 | martian523 | talking about budget, that's a no |
| 23:13 | well, actually, we have someone hired especially to work on koha | |
| 23:14 | jcamins | I can tell you which files you're going to need to modify, but explaining exactly how it works goes beyond what I can do. |
| 23:15 | There are three files that will be involved: etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xsl and etc/zebradb/xsl/koha-indexdefs-to-zebra.xsl | |
| 23:15 | martian523 | wok |
| 23:15 | ok | |
| 23:15 | jcamins | The first file is generated from the second two. |
| 23:15 | martian523 | i'll copy this whole chat so he can read it |
| 23:15 | jcamins | In order to not lose your changes at the first upgrade you do, you'll want to modify those second two, and submit the change back to the community. |
| 23:16 | Oh, and he needs to use git for development. | |
| 23:16 | git? | |
| 23:16 | wahanui | it has been said that git is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 23:16 | martian523 | although i have no idea what you're talking about, but keep going, i'm sure he'll understand |
| 23:16 | jcamins | ^^ that page is an important one to read. |
| 23:16 | I've pretty much finished. | |
| 23:16 | Those files are self-documenting to the extent that they are documented. | |
| 23:17 | martian523 | thanks |
| 23:17 | i'll see if he understands | |
| 23:17 | i think this is one step closer | |
| 23:17 | jcamins | Good luck. |
| 23:18 | If I ever have a chance, I hope to work on this, but, as I said, don't count on it being any time soon. | |
| 23:18 | Work that I'm getting paid to do has to come first. :/ | |
| 23:18 | martian523 | is there a way to save this chat? |
| 23:18 | jcamins | You're using mibbit? |
| 23:19 | martian523 | yes |
| 23:19 | jcamins | Actually, silly question. |
| 23:19 | logs? | |
| 23:19 | wahanui | logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 23:19 | jcamins | ^^ there you go. :) |
| 23:19 | martian523 | haha |
| 23:19 | thanks | |
| 23:19 | jcamins | You're welcome. |
| 23:19 | Good luck. | |
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