IRC log for #koha, 2012-07-16

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03:16 * mtj pushed some koha-qa-tools -> https://github.com/KohaAloha/koha-qa-tools
03:16 rangi sweet
03:17 * dcook finally figured out why the waitingreserves screen was clearing after cancelling a hold with multiple holds on it
03:17 mtj i've included the missed  xt/author/vaild-template.t  test , too
03:17 * dcook does a little dance to celebrate
03:17 rangi sweet
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03:32 dcook Quick question...
03:33 rangi green
03:33 (quick answer)
03:33 dcook To fix the aforementioned problem, there is just a quick little FOREACH to throw into the template
03:33 :P
03:33 rangi yep
03:33 dcook However, I also want to fix some of the styling and wording. Should I include them as a single patch or separate ones?
03:33 The FOREACH fix is needed
03:33 The styling and wording is just preferable
03:34 rangi if you think it might be contentious, separate, if you think it wouldnt be, the same is fine
03:34 dcook Hmm, I thought that might be the case
03:34 Merci :)
03:35 rangi basically that just means that the style changes won't hold up the bugfix part
03:35 dcook Yeah, that was my main concern
03:36 Perhaps still best as one. Easy to change if people have issue with it
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04:14 schnydszch good day koha community, i'm still stuck/at lost with items imported through stage marc import not showing in the OPAC
04:15 bug 8393 and 8394
04:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8393 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , No physical item for this record for stage marc imported records with items
04:15 schnydszch yeah i filed that..
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04:18 Amit_Gupta heya cait
04:18 good morning ;)
04:19 schnydszch good morning amit, good noon here from the Philippines :)
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06:04 mib_nzkb83 Hi,
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06:08 arungit I have set up patron enrollment period for one year... Now period was expired ... still patron account is not restricted for renewal kindly help me in this regard
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06:10 alex_a bonjour
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06:37 reiveune hello
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06:53 julian_m hello
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06:55 gaetan_B hi!
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06:57 francharb good morning #koha
07:02 matts hi !
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07:05 kf good morning #koha
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07:20 kf guten morgen asaurat und sophie_m
07:20 asaurat hallo!
07:22 sophie_m Guten Morgen kf :-)
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07:26 alex_a kf: hello
07:26 kf: Can you tell what is the problem you found for the bug 8381 ?
07:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8381 blocker, P1 - high, ---, alex.arnaud, Needs Signoff , Paging broken in OPAC search results
07:27 alex_a tell me*
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07:39 rangi alex_a: the problem she found was that it wasnt working for signed in users, so kf did a patch for that
07:39 which now needs a sign off
07:39 * rangi hopes that makes sense
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07:43 alex_a rangi: ok
07:43 thx
07:44 eythian good morning, #koha
07:44 rangi hi eythian
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07:48 gaetan_B hi eythian ! how is marseille ?
07:50 eythian hiya gaetan_B. It's nice and warm, especially compared to the UK :)
07:51 gaetan_B eythian: it should ;) hope the birds and mosquitoes will let you sleep though !
07:52 eythian I got a bit eaten last night.
07:52 the seagulls are nothing compared to Brighton though, they're tiny (i.e. normal size) here.
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08:15 marcelr morning #koha
08:15 gaetan_B eythian: there's a mosquito repelent plug somewhere in the room which could save your life ;)
08:15 eythian gaetan_B: I got up at 2am and plugged it in, it seemed to help :)
08:15 gaetan_B ah yes :)
08:16 eythian The previous night was not a mosquito night, so I didn't realise it'd be a necessary thing.
08:17 * marcelr stumbled over cannot access `/usr/share/kohadev/newclone/var/spool' while installing. Seems to be bug 8268. Anyone resolved it already?
08:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8268 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha should offer way to backup entire db
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08:17 eythian It sounds very plausible that it's that bug.
08:18 It might be easy enough to resolve by changing the chmod to have an exists test first, or something.
08:18 marcelr if you can find it somewhere in the make install run
08:22 eythian I know very little on how the makefile works
08:23 though I see /skel/var/spool/koha referenced in there, maybe something needs to create it first?
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08:27 marcelr yes i saw it too, and also the trimdir parameter -1; that goes to matchlevel and deeper and deeper
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08:46 paul_p_ good morning #koha
08:46 marcelr hi paul_p
08:58 Amit_Gupta heya paul_p
08:59 paul_p hi Amit_Gupta & marcelr
08:59 kf morning all :)
08:59 koha++
08:59 marcelr hi kf
09:00 kf for importing and exporting data so nice and easy it just makes one smile
09:00 hi marcelr :)
09:00 * paul_p has switched to "summer mode" I think = most academic libraries closed, public libraries dealing with daily task, not project. That makes a lot of available time !
09:00 kf paul_p: not sure we will see that switch here, but it would be nice :)
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09:04 kf and gaetan_B++ and asaurat++ again because I start liking the icons :)
09:04 asaurat hehe ;)
09:04 gaetan_B kf:  :) yeah !
09:04 kf I got a new 3.8.x installation for my presentation on wednesday - so nice and shiny
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09:06 kf eythian: 16 now
09:10 eythian kf: cool
09:11 dcook Yay for more 3.8.x :D
09:35 kf alex_a: you approve? :)
09:37 alex_a kf: yes !!
09:38 :)
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10:48 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5644' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1d5ca40a6b159288a> / Bug 5644 : Fixing the test <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]53b2cb90fdc86a74a> / Bug 8351: Update wording on staged marc <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d088d60274c031563
10:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #785 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 11 days ago)
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11:19 jcamins_away marcelr: I'm testing the installation to see if I can identify the problem with the /var/spool
11:20 francharb hi jcamins_away
11:20 jcamins, do you know if we can display analytics on the opac?
11:21 jcamins francharb: what do you mean?
11:21 kf jcamins: there are different ways to do analytics
11:21 and they display differently, but they display
11:21 francharb jcamins, the easy analytic
11:21 jcamins francharb: the 773 will show up.
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11:22 francharb jcamins, it's marc21 right?
11:22 kf, nope
11:22 if you use the easy analytics
11:22 feture
11:22 featur
11:22 e
11:22 kf heh
11:22 feature? :)
11:22 jcamins francharb: I don't know if the UNIMARC displays show the 561.
11:22 marcelr paul_p: could you look at the followup for bug 8268
11:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8268 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Koha should offer way to backup entire db
11:22 jcamins marcelr: oh, you have a follow-up?
11:22 kf francharb: sorry then - you are right, UNIMARC might be different
11:23 or is different
11:23 marcelr jcamins: yes, problem fixed
11:23 small thing
11:23 jcamins marcelr: I have one too.
11:23 marcelr of course
11:23 jcamins :)
11:23 francharb kf, jcamins and the unimarc 461 will be display for the analytic record
11:23 but on the host record
11:23 on the opac side
11:23 jcamins francharb: ah, no, there will not be any difference on the host record.
11:23 francharb there is nothing to find back the analytics linked to the items right?
11:24 jcamins That is correct.
11:24 francharb :(
11:24 I needed it
11:24 kf :(
11:24 francharb ;)
11:24 jcamins Well- in MARC21 there are links in the XSLT, but I don't think there are for UNIMARC.
11:24 kf you could probably do something like we do in marc21 - stupid links
11:25 every serial has a link "show analytics"
11:25 francharb jcamins, kf, except that I liked the idea of having just a link next to the item
11:25 paul_p marcelr = 8268 is on my list
11:25 francharb like on the easyanalytic tab
11:25 kf, on the biblio level or on the item level?
11:25 marcelr paul_p: it is a tiny fix that resolves critical error during install
11:26 francharb because, the library I'm working with can have more than 100 items linked to 1 record and each items are linked to more than 10 analytic records...
11:26 kf francharb: the links live on biblio level - we can't use the easyanalytics feature, so I don't know much about it. We overwrite records with union catalog records regularly, so libraries can't change things on bilbiographic level safely
11:26 francharb ok kf
11:27 if the item $9 was display, I could do something with javascript...
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11:27 francharb well, I will find a way
11:27 maybe with the ISBD display
11:28 thank you jcamins, kf
11:28 :)
11:28 kf that's the right spirit :)
11:28 jcamins francharb: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]map_the_publisher.27s_location
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11:30 francharb jcamins, can I kiss you?
11:30 ;)
11:30 It's perfect!
11:30 jcamins francharb: glad I could help. :)
11:30 francharb thank you
11:31 I need to make it work now but I've got everything
11:31 :)
11:31 kf that doesn't look right: of the the last:
11:32 jcamins Of the last what?
11:32 kf opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/opac-topissues.tt:123
11:32 that' I can't tell you.... feel the pain of translators
11:33 jcamins Hm, no, that's correct.
11:33 kf of the the ?
11:34 * kf translates Shari Perkins :)
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11:35 jcamins kf: :D
11:35 kf: "Limit to (Books) of the: (last 3 months)"
11:35 kf hm
11:35 that looks wrong
11:36 no second the
11:36 jcamins kf: "Limit to (Books) of the last: (3 months)", rather
11:36 There's no need for another the.
11:37 kf well, there is one
11:37 jcamins Oh, that's wrong.
11:37 :)
11:37 kf that's what I said ;)
11:38 jcamins My eyes skipped over the second the.
11:38 kf ah :)
11:38 Your library home ?
11:39 jcamins home library.
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11:40 kf hm yeah
11:40 drojf: morning :)
11:40 eythian http://edenbrackstone.com/2012[…]ic-journey-south/ <-- what Queenstown (in Southern NZ) was looking like last night.
11:40 drojf hi #koha :)
11:40 eythian http://www.stuckincustoms.com/[…]-hits-queenstown/ <-- also
11:40 drojf hey kf
11:41 jcamins Wow.
11:41 kf wow
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11:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #785: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/785/
11:54 * matted-34813: Bug 8375 - Patch for Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF
11:54 * chrish: bug 8322 removing additional spaces before fullstop on catalogue/detail and opac-detail pages.
11:54 * nengard: Bug 8351: Update wording on staged marc
11:54 * Chris Cormack: Bug 5644 : Fixing the test
11:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, Pushed to Master , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF
11:54 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8322 minor, P5 - low, ---, chrish, Pushed to Master , Removing space between end of marc data and fullstops
11:54 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8351 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , fix wording when undoing an import
11:54 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5644 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , dropbox mode doesn't set the correct date
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13:08 tcohen hi #koha, back from winter holidays here
13:09 ibadan++
13:14 jcamins tcohen: how is testing 3.8 going?
13:14 tcohen hi jcamins
13:14 we're going production this week
13:14 our users are really glad
13:14 happy
13:14 kf :)
13:15 jcamins tcohen: you got all the kinks ironed out?
13:15 That's excellent!
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13:23 tcohen jcamins
13:23 we've decided to maintain our install schema
13:24 using an internal SVN repo for the deployment
13:24 so we go 3.8
13:24 kf svn?
13:24 tcohen and then, evaluate moving towards the .deb approach
13:24 jcamins Makes sense... one big change at a time, eh?
13:24 tcohen yeap
13:24 SVN is what was used here for everything when I arrived
13:25 we're moving to redmine+git everything
13:25 kf ah :)
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13:45 * wizzyrea waves
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13:46 * jcamins waves back.
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13:56 * kf waves too
13:57 jcamins wizzyrea: useful factoid: green papaya makes for *amazing* curries.
13:57 wizzyrea oh wow, yea that sounds awesome
14:06 jcamins Another useful fact about green papaya is that it apparently does not ripen into non-green papaya.
14:13 * oleonard misses the exotic fresh fruit he ate in Thailand
14:15 * wizzyrea misses the delightful yellow butter and orange yolked eggs from New Zealand (still!)
14:15 * kf nods
14:16 wizzyrea and their coffee.
14:16 * jcamins misses the delicious fresh herbs from Morocco.
14:16 catgmc Hey can someone help me out??  I'm trying to set up Pidgin, rather than going through the IRC widget on the Koha Community page. I think I have a setting wrong, though.  Pidgin says irc.oftc.net isn't a channel.
14:16 kf paul_p_: around? perhaps you can help me find some theological libraries? :)
14:17 jcamins catgmc: irc.oftc.net is the host.
14:17 The channel is #koha
14:17 :)
14:17 catgmc hmmm... let me try that...  :)
14:22 when I go to "join a chat" it only gives me a prompt for "channel".  If I enter #koha, I get this message: "The Koha Community's official IRC channel is located @ irc.oftc.net #koha, so if you cannot find help here, feel free to post your question there as well." which implies I am not in the official koha chat.  THere are 4 members of that chat, currently.
14:22 wizzyrea I think you must be connected to freenode
14:22 jcamins Agreed.
14:22 catgmc yes
14:22 no bueno?
14:22 eythian_ kf: paul_p_ is in a meeting
14:22 wizzyrea no, you need to be connected to irc.oftc.net
14:23 jcamins Nope. However, the good news is it should be easy to fix.
14:23 catgmc how do I do that?
14:23 wizzyrea ^^
14:23 jcamins eythian: are you visiting BibLibre?
14:23 kf eythian: thx
14:23 eythian catgmc: you are using the wrong chat thing
14:23 you need IRC
14:23 kf so... anyone... theological libraries?
14:23 eythian you are most likely attempting to join a jabber chat, or MSN group chat
14:23 jcamins I haven't used Pidgin in years, but if you go to accounts, probably there's somewhere to set an IRC account up?
14:23 catgmc does Pidgin do IRC?
14:23 jcamins eythian: ohhhh.
14:24 wizzyrea umm, piidgin does do IRC
14:24 eythian you'll have to tell pidgin to create an IRC connection as a new account.
14:24 jcamins catgmc: yes it does.
14:24 kf pidgin does
14:24 I am using it
14:24 eythian it does, but I don't think you're telling it to do so in this case,
14:24 otherwise it'd ask you for a host/server
14:24 kf you create a new account first, and add the chat room/channel as a buddy later
14:24 wizzyrea or s/he is telling it to connect to freenode
14:24 catgmc makes sense
14:24 ah.
14:24 wizzyrea that is the message you get when you connect to #koha on freenode
14:24 or on irc.katipo
14:25 eythian oh good point
14:25 I missed that
14:25 catgmc so I have to create an account first?  where?
14:25 wizzyrea :)
14:25 kf under accounts (I have the German version :( )
14:25 sending a screenshot
14:25 eythian ctrl-A
14:25 and go 'add'
14:26 catgmc in Pidgin?
14:26 eythian yeah
14:26 kf where kf is what you want to be
14:26 that's all
14:26 and then save it
14:26 eythian catgmc: with the buddy list higlighted in particular
14:27 kf catgmc: yes, you need the window with the buddy list, not your chat window - there second menu
14:28 and after creating the account for irc, you can go to buddys > add chat and add the koha channel
14:30 catgmc OK, did that.  But I don't think I have an IRC account set up, somehow.  "Join a chat" is greyed out.
14:31 eythian that dialogue that kf sent you is how you create the account.
14:31 catgmc k. let me back up...
14:33 kf you can have multiple accounts - no need to back up really
14:33 just add a new
14:34 wizzyrea maybe this will help
14:34 http://eclug.homelinux.org/content/view/192/59/
14:34 catgmc error msg: "unable to connect: error resolving irc.oftc.net:6667: 11004"
14:35 jcamins All you entered in was "irc.oftc.net:6667" right?
14:35 wizzyrea I think in server you do not put the port
14:36 jcamins Wait, you should only need to enter irc.oftc.net
14:36 wizzyrea in pidgin
14:36 so just server: irc.oftc.net
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14:39 catgmc1 Yay!  Got it...  Thanks for the help!
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15:23 francharb jcamins, hi again
15:23 I noticed something weird with the easy analytical feature
15:24 Is it you who developed it?
15:24 jcamins francharb: nope.
15:24 francharb :(
15:24 I going to look at the bugzilla then
15:24 because, at the opac
15:24 jcamins I cleaned up the code when OSS Labs abandoned it right before the 3.4 release.
15:24 francharb oki
15:25 did you noticed that
15:25 on the opac side
15:25 you had a "virtual" item for the normal view but not for the marc and the ISBD view?
15:25 on the staff client
15:26 it makes sense
15:26 because
15:26 jcamins Ooh. No I did not.
15:26 francharb you have a link to the host record
15:26 but you dont have it on the opac
15:26 jcamins Wait... do we display items in the MARC and ISBD views?
15:26 francharb yep
15:26 kf hmmm
15:26 francharb in the marc view
15:26 for sure
15:26 jcamins Hm. That's a bug, then.
15:26 kf yeah in the marc view
15:26 francharb on the ISBD view
15:26 kf but I think that is pulled from the fields
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15:27 francharb you can set it up to dispal items
15:27 kf in the marc, done differently than on the normal view
15:27 francharb kf is right
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15:27 kf and it's not in the marc
15:27 francharb kf, true!
15:28 kf hm so maybe doable, but you would have to pull in lots of stuff - would be my guess
15:28 francharb anyway, if I go from one view to another, it's weird having "no items available" for the marc view and 1 for the normal view
15:28 kf, on the opac side
15:28 I don"t understand why we can find the marc viex
15:28 view
15:29 is utterly not userfriendly
15:29 ;)
15:29 anyway
15:29 ok
15:29 you are as much surprised as I am
15:29 so I'm not totally dumb
15:29 and I just need to open up a bugzilla ticket
15:29 :)
15:30 jcamins Yup. :)
15:31 I never use the MARC or ISBD view in the OPAC, really.
15:31 kf lol
15:31 http://biblio.dominikanie.pl/
15:31
15:31 francharb thank you
15:31 kf was thinking all the time: why do they have pl (perl) at the end of their domain...
15:32 jcamins lol
15:32 kf it's been a long day...
15:32 francharb kf++
15:32 ;)
15:36 eythian jcamins: yes
15:36 for a month
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15:47 reiveune bye
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15:48 jcamins eythian: cool!
15:48 eythian quite.
15:48 jcamins Sorry for the exceedingly delayed reaction.
15:48 eythian it suited my delayed answer :)
15:50 jcamins Oh, wow, your answer was quite delayed, wasn't it?
15:52 eythian Yeah, just a little :)
15:54 kf and I only get 3 weeks ;)
15:55 eythian it's cos you're more expensive :)
15:56 kf hmpf
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16:09 nengard isn't there a bug report about the grace period not working in fines?
16:09 if so anyone know the number? my searches are not finding it
16:09 jcamins Bug 4906?
16:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Problem with grace period calculation and fine intervals >1
16:09 jcamins Bug 8243?
16:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8243 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, calendar being ignored
16:09 nengard bug 8418
16:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8418 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Koha::Calendar is_holiday ignores all user data
16:10 nengard i think ?
16:10 jcamins Could be.
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16:24 oleonard Anyone else get "nonresponsive script" errors from Firefox because of the OPAC's highlight-word script?
16:25 jcamins oleonard: yup.
16:25 oleonard Okay, glad it's not just me. There's a fork of that plugin that looks more recent, and I'm trying to test.
16:25 kf oleonard: do you have opacsearchhistory turned on?
16:26 oleonard Yes
16:26 kf try turning it off
16:26 I had similar problems, each search taking forever
16:26 and there is a patch for that, if that's the problem you have
16:27 turning the searchhistory off would fix it if it's the same
16:27 oleonard The trouble is I don't always get the error, so it'd be hard to tell
16:28 gaetan_B bye !
16:28 wizzyrea nengard i think the report on grace period was not a separate bug
16:28 but a comment on one of the other holiday related bugs.
16:29 kf oh
16:30 oleonard: maybe different problem then :( for me it was constantly broken
16:31 oleonard One problem I see with the highlight script is that it's always being passed the full "query_desc" string, which includes the "kw,wrdl:" stuff
16:31 So I'm sure the script spends time looking for that junk
16:32 I wonder how hard it would be to create a new variable which only included search strings and not other search parameters
16:35 * oleonard though that's what Bug 6985 was going to do, but never really paid attention until now
16:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6985 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Pushed to Stable , Hide "kw,wrdl:" from Search Results
16:38 kf oleonard: I think the {QUERY_KW} does it too
16:40 oleonard What do you mean?
16:45 kf sorry
16:46 it's a feature to show the search terms on the null results page
16:46 so you can construct a link to another source
16:46 and it only uses the search terms - so I thought that might have something you were looking for
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16:49 kf oleonard: it's somewhere in bugzilla
16:55 oleonard kf: Interesting that the patch (Bug 7620) just tries to clean up the existing query_desc string rather than build a clean version
16:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7620 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha, Failed QA , OPACNoResult, add search string to available parameters
16:56 kf hm not a good example then probably
16:57 oleonard I guess if the alternative is a trip into Search.pm...
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17:28 mbalmer euvening!
17:30 francharb_afk euvening mbalmer !
17:30 francharb ;)
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19:29 rangi Morning
19:30 mbalmer in your timezone, maybe ;)
19:30 jcamins Morning.
19:30 wahanui morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
19:31 jcamins Brooke++
19:31 oleonard Eh?
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19:44 cait evening #koha
19:48 rangi Hey cait
19:48 cait hi rangi
19:49 jcamins Welcome back.
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20:02 rangi My stop bb after coffee
20:15 back
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20:18 libsysguy is there a way in the staff client to move people from deleted borrowers to borrowers?
20:19 cait no, but there should be one :)
20:19 libsysguy agreed
20:19 cait and wb rangi
20:19 libsysguy a giant undo button on every page
20:19 cait and same for items and records
20:19 perhaps not giant and hidden behind a permission... but yeah
20:19 libsysguy agreed
20:19 heh
20:19 perhaps you should be required to type something demeaning to get it to work
20:20 like "i acknowledge that I screwed up and must now pray to the koha gods/developers to fix my mistake"
20:20 jcamins "only a plonker would have deleted this record earlier"? :P
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20:31 wizzyrea "plonker"
20:31 that is is made of win.
20:31 jcamins BOFH FTW!
20:31 wizzyrea but yes, undo delete would be super handy
20:31 both for items and borrowers.
20:31 and bibs.
20:32 ibeardslee and databases?
20:32 wahanui databases are not automated.
20:32 wizzyrea even if we didn't store the whole of the record, maybe only a skeleton record (name, cardnumber)
20:32 jcamins wizzyrea: we do store the whole record.
20:33 * wizzyrea was thinking punitively "you delete this record, as a tax on being wishy washy, you have to re-enter the info"
20:33 jcamins lol
20:33 wizzyrea users hate that stuff though, best to just restore the whole thing ;)
20:33 jcamins Agreed.
20:34 libsysguy :p
20:34 jcamins Plus, why add complexity?
20:34 wizzyrea :)
20:34 since we already keep all the stuffs it makes sense to restore all of the stuffs :P
20:34 cait yeah
20:34 but also a tool to really really delete them would be good
20:35 jcamins cait: not so sure I agree about that.
20:35 cait because you can't keep them in there forever... especially if a patron asks that all his date is deleted
20:35 jcamins Oh, patrons, yes.
20:35 I thought you meant bibs.
20:35 cait no
20:35 bibs we should keep forever
20:35 accession books
20:35 jcamins It shouldn't be possible to *entirely* erase a bib.
20:35 cait nope
20:35 because you need the history
20:35 jcamins It *should* be possible to entirely erase a patron.
20:35 cait but there should be a nice way to indicate why you deleted them
20:36 jcamins That would be excellent.
20:36 cait hm you can always dedicate a field to that... maybe I should define one
20:36 but... hm.
20:36 needs more thought. but yeah.
20:36 * jcamins is so glad that libsysguy is doing this.
20:36 cait yeah me too :)
20:36 hooray for libsysguy ;)
20:37 libsysguy whoa whoa
20:37 I got committed to a testing system
20:37 when did I get undo too :p
20:37 wizzyrea libsysguy: just use paul's sandboxen
20:37 and be done with it. then you can do undelete.
20:37 libsysguy heh
20:39 rangi how long til votes close?
20:39 jcamins rangi: 36 hours-ish?
20:40 Ehhh... 40?
20:40 nengard is up early, but not that early!
20:40 rangi heh :)
20:40 cool
20:40 jcamins I think.
20:40 rangi she confirms
20:40 cait she said when she wakes up on the 18th she will close
20:40 rangi *nod*
20:40 just chatting with her too
20:40 jcamins Ibadan way ahead?
20:41 rangi hmm not anymore
20:41 cait oh?
20:47 drojf wow. where did the 80 new voters come from today?
20:48 jcamins drojf: I have no idea.
20:48 drojf from the us, obviously
20:49 jcamins drojf: ah, well, yeah, I got that far in my reasoning. ;)
20:49 drojf :)
20:49 jcamins drojf: did my pqf query work on your server?
20:49 drojf yes it did. sorry, had to run off yesterday
20:50 jcamins It did?
20:50 Well, huh.
20:50 That's odd.
20:50 Well, I have made my diagnosis:
20:50 C4::Search--
20:50 C4::Search--
20:50 C4::Search--
20:50 C4::Search--
20:50 C4::Search--
20:51 Unfortunately, I am kind of stymied as to what the problem could be.
20:53 drojf i have not tried to put the data in a 3.6 installation, but i guess that would bring some db structure problems anyway. bus as long as i dont know why it happened i will live in fear of that happening the day after we go live
20:54 cait I think blaming C4::Search-- is a good guess
20:54 drojf :D
20:54 cait is this the installation with your customizations to search?
20:54 jcamins Wait, you customized the search?
20:54 drojf it was, but i also replaced all files i edited with those from the tar.gz of 3.8.2
20:55 and it is the same in a fresh 3.8.2
20:55 jcamins Hm.
20:55 What changes did you make?
20:56 They shouldn't have affected the database, but I suppose it's possible.
20:56 drojf added some indexes. and that worked without any problems
20:56 jcamins Okay, shouldn't make any problem.
21:00 cait drojf: did you set Search.pm back?
21:00 drojf yes
21:01 cait hm
21:01 maybe some new files you are missing?
21:01 * cait is guessing wildly
21:02 drojf there was actually a depencency missing, i found out when i created another library. htmltotext or something like that. but it was not related
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21:12 rangi http://www.computerworlduk.com[…]duced-complaints/
21:15 wizzyrea eff ya
21:17 drojf "christian socialist union"? rofl. i don't think that translation is appropriate
21:19 * jcamins appreciates the thread in the comments about the People's Front of Judaea.
21:20 drojf whoch one of the 20 external domains i did not allow makes the comments? i don't see any
21:20 *which
21:21 jcamins drojf: no idea. I closed the window a while ago.
21:36 francharb wtf
21:36 I can't tweet
21:36 is twitter ui messed up
21:36 or maybe I am
21:36 to late to really know...
21:37 I will tweet here
21:37 Crazy in love (beyonce cover) / Antony and the Johnsons  http://youtu.be/n8V94WQjMAw
21:37 good song
21:37 and good evening
21:37 ;
21:37 ;)
21:37 cait, I maybe found out what it's going to be my first koha contribution
21:38 when it's done, I will let you know
21:38 ;)
21:38 sooner or later, I'm going to make it happen! ;)
21:38 see ya all
21:39 jcamins francharb: you should tell us now so we can offer advice if you need it. :)
21:39 And so no one else does it at the same time.
21:40 ;)
21:40 francharb_afk jcamins, don't worry
21:40 since i'm not a developper, it's going to be some kind of small fixes
21:41 jcamins, I guess it's going to be on what we talked about earlier today
21:41 jcamins francharb_afk: ah. Don't worry, probably no one will be working on that. :)
21:41 francharb_afk :)
21:42 like displaying on the normal view the correct link to unimarc host record
21:42 really?
21:42 I'm the only one interested?
21:42 ;)
21:43 jcamins No, I'm interested, but I have a very long to-do list already...
21:43 francharb_afk \0/
21:43 welcome
21:43 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0TYun-Nq1Q
21:43 for all the librarians
21:48 jcamins Hehe.
21:50 cait now he is gone
21:51 and I am curious :(
21:51 oh
21:51 link
21:51 scrolling broken again :)
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22:30 rangi hi LBA
22:45 http://www.abc.net.au/news/201[…]s-the-sky/4135056
22:45 the sky is pretty cool in this part of the world at the moment
23:06 libsysguy wow that is pretty cool
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