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| 00:50 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha folk. |
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| 01:08 | wajasu | ok. got my kvm script to build debiansqueeze+koha, and now i did a git clone and am wiring up the environment, whilst reusing the PERL5LIB. My staf admin interface works fine. The opac complained about GetDailyQuote is not exported by the C4::Koha module. Maybe its just because I pulled from the master. |
| 01:10 | * mtompset | shrugs, "I don't know." |
| 01:17 | wajasu | i'll try an pull a stable release tag. |
| 01:18 | mtompset | I would try to "grep -l GetDailyQuote `find .`" in your koha install. |
| 01:18 | And then figure out by looking at the code in the modules listed. | |
| 01:35 | any success, wajasu? | |
| 01:43 | wajasu | running cpan to get two perl modules |
| 01:43 | mtompset | which two? |
| 01:44 | wajasu | DateTime::Format:MySQL and DateTime::TimeZone |
| 01:44 | mtompset | Are you sure there isn't a package for the first one? |
| 01:44 | I did an install attempt under Ubuntu. | |
| 01:44 | I did an "aptitude search datetime-format-mysql" | |
| 01:45 | and it found it. | |
| 01:45 | perhaps a similar search "aptitude search datetime-timezone" might find the second. | |
| 01:46 | wajasu | oh yeah. i forgot. i was literraly following INSTALL.debian (should have searched). |
| 01:46 | mtompset | Don't worry about it. I've done that before too. :) |
| 01:47 | I did mention ubuntu expressly in a bug report I put up recently. | |
| 01:47 | bug 8192 | |
| 01:47 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8192 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Update libraries and Missing library in install_misc/ubuntu.packages |
| 01:48 | mtompset | the missing library is the first one you mentioned: DateTime::Format::MySQL |
| 01:51 | wajasu | "GetDailyQuote" is not exported by the C4::Koha module |
| 01:51 | Can't continue after import errors at /kohaclone/opac/opac-main.pl line 26 | |
| 01:51 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /kohaclone/opac/opac-main.pl line 26. | |
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| 01:52 | wajasu | maybe i have the /etc/koha/apache2/apache-shared.conf not mapped correctly for opac |
| 01:56 | mtompset | No, I don't think so. |
| 01:57 | wajasu | i need to do Makefile.PL and follow the INSTALL.debian (got to get my KOHA_CONF and defined as well. |
| 01:57 | mtompset | But this is probably a newer feature. |
| 01:57 | wajasu | i've just done a git pull. and edited the apache stuff. |
| 01:57 | the staff interface worked. | |
| 01:57 | mtompset | Ah, so you haven't finished the setup steps... |
| 01:58 | Probably a good idea to finish them first before trying to debug. :) | |
| 02:00 | wajasu | yes. i will have to do this tomorrow with a fresh generated VM and follow the install steps. :) thx |
| 02:01 | mtompset | What VM package are you using? |
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| 02:02 | mtompset | For my testing purposes, I have a windows box with VirtualBox running. |
| 02:05 | wajasu | i wrote a shell script that i run that uses libvirt. it grabs the debian netinst iso, and a cdrom install using a debian preseeding file, which also installs koha-common, and configures its all. now I am adding a git dev environment to it for patches. libvirt will be able to generate qcow2, vmdk, lvm, kvm based images. |
| 02:08 | it only took 5 minutes to run in my /dev/shm /tmp directory. (really just waited while grabbing stuff from repos). its a good way to document what it takes. maybe it can be web hosted later and folks can generate different images. my host machine is archlinux. | |
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| 02:15 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
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| 02:40 | mtompset | interesting. Hi, Oak. |
| 02:40 | Oak | Hello mtompset :) |
| 02:41 | mtompset | @wunder MNL |
| 02:41 | huginn` | mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 30.0°C (10:00 AM PHT on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 02:49 | mtompset | where are the irc logs? |
| 02:49 | wahanui | the irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 02:49 | mtompset | Thank you, wahanui. |
| 02:49 | wahanui | mtompset: sure thing |
| 03:06 | * mtompset | is taking a short 15 minute break. |
| 03:06 | waves to #koha folks. | |
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| 03:23 | mtompset | topic? |
| 03:23 | wahanui | topic is wrong. :) |
| 03:23 | mtompset | wahanui forget topic |
| 03:23 | wahanui | mtompset: I forgot topic |
| 03:23 | mtompset | topic? |
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| 03:42 | bencahill | G'night guys, I'm going to unplug because of the storm here. :) |
| 03:43 | mtompset | Good night, bencahill. |
| 03:43 | bencahill | mtompset: Hey, I'm just now trying out Sublime Text (just heard of it), and it's awesome! You should give it a try. :P |
| 03:44 | * bencahill | feels crazy for somewhat ditching vim so fast, but this is out of this world. |
| 03:44 | mtompset | What is Sublime Text? |
| 03:44 | And editor? | |
| 03:44 | bencahill | Yup |
| 03:45 | mtompset | Why install a non-default editor? |
| 03:45 | Less installs = good. | |
| 03:45 | bencahill | mtompset: Eh, vim is on-default on this distro (arch) |
| 03:45 | mtompset: And yes, vi/vim has that awesome advantage, and I'll still use it for a lot of things. | |
| 03:46 | mtompset | really?! what editor is installed by default on arch linux? |
| 03:46 | bencahill | mtompset: vi |
| 03:46 | s/on-default/n&/ | |
| 03:47 | mtompset | What's wrong with plain vi? |
| 03:47 | bencahill | Um, no syntax highlighting, for one. |
| 03:47 | mtompset | BAH! If you can't see the syntax, you need glasses. :P |
| 03:48 | bencahill | I'm sure there are a lot of other things I like in vim that vi doesn't have. Not that I'm saying vi by itself isn't awesome. ;) |
| 03:49 | * bencahill | actually likes pretty colors, even though he does use a tiling wm with no window borders. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, eh? |
| 03:49 | bencahill | But anyway, g'night...I'm just excited. :) |
| 03:49 | mtompset | When I was in University, emacs was the rage. |
| 03:49 | Okay... have a good night, bencahill. :) | |
| 03:50 | bencahill | :) |
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| 05:28 | mtompset | @wunder EDI |
| 05:28 | huginn` | mtompset: The current temperature in Dalgety Bay, United Kingdom is 10.7°C (6:15 AM BST on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). |
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| 05:28 | cait | morning mtompset |
| 05:29 | mtompset | Hi, Cait. |
| 05:29 | It's afternoon here. But you're at #kohacon, so it's morning there. :) | |
| 05:31 | Strange... no bug reports of CCL parsing error? | |
| 05:37 | cait | bbiab |
| 05:37 | * mtompset | nods. |
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| 06:52 | * mtompset | smirks, "Yes, a bit is much longer than 10 minutes." |
| 06:52 | mtompset | what is a bit? |
| 06:52 | wahanui | somebody said a bit was unset, but it's still stuck at the bottom. |
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| 06:53 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:53 | wahanui | bonjour, reiveune |
| 06:53 | mtompset | Bonjour. :) |
| 06:54 | @wunder EDI | |
| 06:54 | huginn` | mtompset: The current temperature in Dalgety Bay, United Kingdom is 10.6°C (7:45 AM BST on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:55 | mtompset | 96% humidity?! |
| 06:55 | @wunder MNL | |
| 06:55 | huginn` | mtompset: The current temperature in Ninoy Aquino Inter-National Airport, Philippines is 28.0°C (2:00 PM PHT on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 27.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling). |
| 06:58 | mtompset | Wait a second... that time is wrong. |
| 06:58 | It's nearly 3PM. | |
| 06:59 | Oh, the data was an hour ago. | |
| 06:59 | * mtompset | thinks he needs to take an afternoon nap. |
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| 08:15 | matts | hi ! |
| 08:15 | mtompset | Hi, matts. |
| 08:15 | It's been rather empty so far today. | |
| 08:15 | matts | It's 9 AM here :) |
| 08:16 | mtompset | It's 4:16PM here. |
| 08:17 | @wunder EDI | |
| 08:17 | huginn` | mtompset: The current temperature in Dalgety Bay, United Kingdom is 12.2°C (9:15 AM BST on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). |
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| 08:18 | mtompset | @wunder MNL |
| 08:18 | huginn` | mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 29.0°C (4:00 PM PHT on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). |
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| 08:29 | Oak | @wunder islamabad |
| 08:29 | huginn` | Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 35.0°C (1:00 PM PKT on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:30 | cait | heya Oak :) |
| 08:31 | Oak | o hello cait :) what are you doing? |
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| 08:31 | cait | still trying to wake up :) |
| 08:31 | nengard | ditto |
| 08:31 | Oak | huh? waking up late today? |
| 08:31 | cait | we are at the conference site... only a bit tired :) |
| 08:31 | short night | |
| 08:32 | rangi | nengard: you have bureacrat permissions on the wiki eh? |
| 08:33 | nengard | what does that mean? |
| 08:33 | Oak | hmm |
| 08:33 | nengard | I don't think I do ? but maybe |
| 08:33 | I know I can delete pages - I can see the users list but don't see a way to approve/reject members .... | |
| 08:33 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]&group=bureaucrat |
| 08:34 | nengard | oh ?. hehe |
| 08:34 | rangi | so somehow you can elevate permissions, if you figure out how could you make me one too please :) |
| 08:34 | nengard | hmmmm |
| 08:34 | okay let me poke around | |
| 08:35 | user Chris is a an admin - or are you Chrisc | |
| 08:37 | rangi | umm one of them, and yeah i am admin, but only bureaucrat can do user permissions apparently |
| 08:37 | nengard | rangi it's done |
| 08:37 | for both | |
| 08:38 | I had no idea I had those special powers :) | |
| 08:39 | rangi | yay thanks |
| 08:39 | cait | nengard: superlibrarian powers? ;) |
| 08:39 | nengard | yuppers :) |
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| 08:39 | cait | bonjour paul_p :) |
| 08:39 | paul_p | hi cait |
| 08:43 | mtompset | Greetings, people. |
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| 08:43 | mbalmer | ola |
| 08:44 | mtompset | Does this mean someone might be able to fix my wiki access? |
| 08:44 | cait | we are trying... but I think we got stuck again |
| 08:44 | mtompset | :) |
| 08:48 | Well, I do appreciate the efforts. | |
| 08:48 | I did send an email to gmcharlt. | |
| 08:48 | (his email address is on a couple of the bug reports I made) | |
| 08:48 | I did mark the email read-receipt. | |
| 08:49 | mle | morning |
| 08:49 | mtompset | But frequently people click 'no'. :( |
| 08:49 | rangi | mle: i need to say thanks again for organising last night |
| 08:49 | cait | hi mle :) |
| 08:49 | rangi | it was fantastic |
| 08:49 | cait | yeah, it was awesome |
| 08:49 | and thx for helping me find the right cider :) | |
| 08:50 | mtompset | alcoholic or non? |
| 08:50 | hard or not? | |
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| 08:50 | mtompset | which is the right one? |
| 08:52 | slef | blurgh |
| 08:52 | mle | rangi ty it was my pleasure. i will forever remember the waving arms of kohacon12. ;) |
| 08:52 | rangi | hehe |
| 08:52 | cait | mtompset: I don't know which it was, but it was good |
| 08:53 | mle | hi cait. |
| 08:53 | slef | I was worried. We did not cover ourselves in singing glory before |
| 08:53 | rangi | at kohacon10 |
| 08:53 | :) | |
| 08:53 | cait | true |
| 08:53 | mle | hope everyone is feelimg chipper this morning! i was tempted to do something energisimg with you all this morning! |
| 08:53 | cait | you should have... |
| 08:54 | :) | |
| 08:54 | there is still the hackfest... :) | |
| 08:54 | slef | yeah some blodger was meaning to teach us a song and slept |
| 08:54 | rangi | hehe |
| 08:54 | cait | who could that have been... |
| 08:54 | slef | shall we ask mle to boot up hackfest? |
| 08:55 | cait | what's your definition of "boot up"? |
| 08:55 | mtompset | get started? |
| 08:55 | slef | something energising in the mornings |
| 08:55 | mbalmer | dancing the highland flinge? |
| 08:55 | slef | mbalmer: ITYM flange |
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| 08:56 | cait | moin drojf |
| 08:56 | mle | caber tossing workshop! |
| 08:56 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 08:56 | mbalmer | that dance folks do because of the little moskitos.. |
| 08:56 | mtompset | ITYM? |
| 08:56 | cait | mtompset: thx for asking that :) |
| 08:56 | drojf | omg i was fast with my presentation. i hope you could understand anything |
| 08:56 | mbalmer | i thing you mean |
| 08:56 | slef | wahanui: ITYM is I Think You Mean |
| 08:56 | wahanui | OK, slef. |
| 08:56 | drojf | nice to put a timer and then don'tr look at it :D |
| 08:56 | cait | heh |
| 08:57 | you will see the sme happening with me in wildau ;) | |
| 08:57 | mtompset | suatnk! :P |
| 08:57 | slef | drojf: clock at the bck shows wrong time |
| 08:57 | mtompset | stop using acronyms that nobody knows. ;) |
| 08:57 | mbalmer | itym, i'm the young man! |
| 08:57 | drojf | slef: i had a stop watch running. took 11 minutes, took 20 at the hotel ^^ |
| 08:57 | slef | back |
| 08:58 | rangi | drojf: it was good :) |
| 08:58 | slef | typing is hard on mini keyboard |
| 08:58 | drojf | rangi: thanks :) |
| 08:58 | slef: where to put the presentation for the rest of the world? | |
| 08:58 | slef | drojf: wiki |
| 08:58 | mtompset | This conversation made me think of: http://youtu.be/wvsboPUjrGc |
| 08:58 | cait | i think you can link from your abstract on the wiki |
| 08:59 | drojf | ah ok |
| 08:59 | * slef | hides from mtompset |
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| 08:59 | cait | mtompset: we have t obe nice to slef |
| 08:59 | mtompset: he has to suffer doing all the organisation | |
| 08:59 | slef | I wish I could give mtompset wiki access |
| 08:59 | cait | we all do... |
| 08:59 | slef | but I would just fail to find time |
| 08:59 | mtompset | Hey, you guys are trying. I very much appreciate that. |
| 09:00 | cait | lol |
| 09:00 | slef | I am very trying! |
| 09:00 | cait | I dropped gmcharlt a mail too some days ago |
| 09:00 | no answer yet | |
| 09:00 | perhaps we should try thd | |
| 09:00 | mtompset | From what I can tell in the IRC logs... I missed him by 3 minutes! |
| 09:01 | How frustrating. | |
| 09:01 | * gmcharlt | pops in -- not just a matter of unblocking email, going to need to figure out a way to deal with mediawiki's laxity |
| 09:01 | gmcharlt | as we were in danger of getting k-c.org on spam blocks |
| 09:01 | slef | can we special case approve mtompset account please? |
| 09:01 | * mtompset | smiles, "Okay... I can relax now. :)" |
| 09:02 | cait | hi gmcharlt |
| 09:02 | yes, perhaps some people could be given permission to activate user accounts? | |
| 09:02 | mtompset | A lot of places have a "Are you human?" box that you need to check. |
| 09:02 | cait | that could work until we get a real solution again |
| 09:02 | mtompset | And then some even have a simple "What is 3+4?" box. |
| 09:03 | slef | bulk deleting unapproveds and switching to lots of ppl allowed to approve. maybe from irv |
| 09:03 | gmcharlt | mtompset: whcih the bots have defeated |
| 09:03 | slef | irc |
| 09:03 | gmcharlt | slef: I agree, it's gonig to have to be manual approval |
| 09:03 | mtompset: what user account did you register? | |
| 09:03 | slef | I hate "are you human?" because most of them say I am not |
| 09:04 | cait | lol |
| 09:04 | mtompset | mtompsethotmail.com |
| 09:04 | I did send you an email @gmail. | |
| 09:04 | slef | what am I? chopped liver? |
| 09:04 | * slef | rants off to his mailbox |
| 09:05 | gmcharlt | mtompset: yes, I mean, what username did you assign yourself? |
| 09:05 | nm, found it | |
| 09:06 | cait | gmcharlt++ |
| 09:06 | mtompset | mtompset |
| 09:06 | wahanui | rumour has it mtompset is taking off |
| 09:06 | mtompset | wahanui forget mtompset |
| 09:06 | wahanui | mtompset: I forgot mtompset |
| 09:06 | gmcharlt | wahanui: forget mtompset |
| 09:06 | wahanui | gmcharlt, I didn't have anything matching mtompset |
| 09:06 | * mtompset | laughs, "Great minds think alike." |
| 09:15 | mtompset | What if there was an email address to which a blank message with "Register Me" as a subject line would generate the confirmation email after the user registered? Bots don't send empty emails, and they don't know the subject line, though they'd likely get the email address. |
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| 09:17 | medmondson | ¬¬ |
| 09:17 | mtompset | Are those shifty eyes? |
| 09:17 | medmondson | yup |
| 09:17 | gmcharlt | mtompset: ok, I think we're set up - please try registering your account again |
| 09:18 | mtompset | registering? |
| 09:18 | So request? | |
| 09:20 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 09:20 | slef | lee just made everyone close their laptops |
| 09:20 | so there's only the phonies like me still here | |
| 09:21 | mtompset | Arg! A bio of 50 words. |
| 09:22 | slef | awrite about getting a login?;) |
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| 09:22 | medmondson | salut alex_a |
| 09:23 | gmcharlt | mtompset: bio requirement removed |
| 09:23 | alex_a | bonjour medmondson |
| 09:23 | slef | are ppl on phones or breaking lee's rule? |
| 09:24 | mtompset | Okay... it says and email has been sent to me... |
| 09:25 | Nice randomization on the math question. | |
| 09:25 | gmcharlt | mtompset: ok, I've approved the account -- please see if you can log in now |
| 09:27 | mtompset | Hmm... no password is set... did it ask? |
| 09:28 | I must have done something wrong. | |
| 09:28 | It said the username is the same as my Real Name. | |
| 09:28 | but I don't think it asked for a password. | |
| 09:30 | gmcharlt | mtompset: hmm - I've set one for you, then |
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| 09:35 | cait | hi Joubu :) |
| 09:35 | Joubu | hi #koha |
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| 09:35 | Joubu | hi cait :) |
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| 09:38 | mtompset | Hello all. |
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| 09:45 | slef | and now we've stopped torturing lee, people are allowed their laptops back |
| 09:45 | drojf | heh |
| 09:47 | rangi | she |
| 09:47 | 's brave :) | |
| 09:47 | cait | yep she is :) |
| 09:48 | slef | hmmm you're not going to like the main answer in my talk then |
| 09:48 | ohhh this is going to go really badly | |
| 09:48 | all those comments against monoliths | |
| 09:48 | eeeeek I've misread the mood of the room | |
| 09:48 | cait | slef: ??? |
| 09:49 | slef | cait: my talk has a Big Idea in the middle of it |
| 09:49 | I think people will hate it now. | |
| 09:49 | cait | you suggest that all libaries start using ebsco? |
| 09:49 | slef | Oh well. I will walk off a cliff in front of you all. |
| 09:49 | No, worse. | |
| 09:49 | cait | uhoh |
| 09:49 | we all go into worldcat? | |
| 09:49 | slef | that is closer |
| 09:50 | cait | better pack a parachute ;) |
| 09:50 | drojf | lol |
| 09:51 | medmondson | make sure that the camera batteries are full before your talk slef ;) |
| 09:51 | slef | I think I will spend lunch time reading arguments against worldcat |
| 09:51 | drojf | i vote for exlibris aleph for everybody. our university library approves :/ |
| 09:51 | slef | to see if I will fall foul of the same complaints. |
| 09:51 | medmondson: I have 90mins to recharge them before me. | |
| 09:52 | rangi: may I steal your TMs? | |
| 09:52 | rangi | go for it :) |
| 09:52 | slef | I have also put "Former koha.org webmaster" in my biog |
| 09:54 | rangi | heh |
| 09:55 | slef | I think that is accurate, isn't it? |
| 09:56 | rangi | it's entirely accurate |
| 09:59 | medmondson | some folk werea asking about visiting edinburgh hacklab. Tonight is coffee and code night from about 7.30. I have sent an email to the list, to alert them to our presence, but will be suprised if we get a reply. for those that want the info: http://edinburghhacklab.com/events/ |
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| 10:03 | mtompset | How did you get the red underline? |
| 10:14 | gmcharlt++ | |
| 10:14 | I have wiki access! YAY! | |
| 10:19 | rangi | medmondson: http://edinburghliterarypubtour.co.uk/ <-- this looks cheesy but fun |
| 10:25 | hmm Joubu is trying to win the wine signing off patches! | |
| 10:25 | slef | is that starting early? |
| 10:26 | rangi | yep :) |
| 10:29 | paul_p | rangi = FYI = usually, from wed to friday, clrh team -joubu, julian_m and matts work for the community |
| 10:29 | medmondson | rangi: Some are quite fun apparently. |
| 10:29 | rangi: it reminds me.. I was going to recommend... | |
| 10:29 | http://www.realmarykingsclose.com/ | |
| 10:30 | Joubu | rangi: The patch was already signed-off, I updated the status. I cheated :) |
| 10:31 | slef | medmondson: I think S went there yesterday. Pretty good but tour was overbooked (22) and even fully-booked (20) is a bit more than some rooms hold (maybe 15). Still interesting though. |
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| 10:33 | rangi | i was thinking to maybe do a highlands tour tomorrow http://www.highlandexperience.[…]s.asp?txtTour=171 |
| 10:33 | cait | monsters mountains and massacres - sounds like fun :) |
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| 10:34 | rangi | 41 pound, which is alright for me, but maybe too much for some? |
| 10:35 | cait | I think would be ok for me, the nessi hunter tour is not included i think, but I would like to do it again |
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| 10:36 | slef | you all got your SRU questions ready? |
| 10:36 | rangi | yup |
| 10:36 | well eythian does | |
| 10:37 | slef | Scream and Run Urway |
| 10:37 | maybe only works in my accent | |
| 10:37 | rangi | heh |
| 10:38 | slef | that will be more on my talk I think, once I make my suggestion |
| 10:39 | will you applaud or boo when I say "LibLime was right"? | |
| 10:39 | cait | it depends on how you explain that |
| 10:39 | I think | |
| 10:40 | slef | anyone find marcelr's library on LibraryThing? |
| 10:41 | paul_p | not really clear what is included in http://www.highlandexperience.[…]s.asp?txtTour=171, or I couldn't find where it's described... |
| 10:41 | cait | paul_p: read the left column down |
| 10:45 | paul_p | cait = OK, we take the bus. But will there be a guide ? which language ? audio-guide in french ? lunch included for the price ? where the bus start in EDI ? |
| 10:45 | cait | hm i think we came by the bus stop this morning |
| 10:46 | i haven't taken the tour before, I think they advertised tours in different languages, so there might be french | |
| 10:46 | medmondson | west highland line is truly wonderful. (go over the famous 'Harry Potter' viaduct) http://www.scotlandsforme.com/[…]raction.php?id=79 |
| 10:47 | rangi | oooh |
| 10:50 | pastebot | "hdl" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "clrh: rpn2solr avec sru enabled" (27 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/434 |
| 10:50 | nengard | #koha folks - my mom sent me a text asking me to send you all her love :) |
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| 10:52 | clrh | thx hdl :) |
| 10:54 | rangi | paul_p: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]i?format=advanced |
| 10:54 | can you try a search in french now? | |
| 10:54 | or any french speaker | |
| 10:56 | paul_p | rangi = much better, except the "Maintenant" ( in the Entre le: field) must be removed or you get no results |
| 10:56 | drojf | rangi: the highlands tour sounds nice, but does it say somewhere how long it actually takes? |
| 10:57 | Oak | thank you nengard ! |
| 10:57 | paul_p | it's at the wrong place = in english it's "between ______ AND Now" while in french it's "between Maintenant and _______" |
| 10:57 | drojf = on the right "start 8AM, back around 7PM" | |
| 10:57 | drojf | ah, i'm just blind, thanks |
| 10:58 | we would be able to see nessy… | |
| 10:58 | rangi | 8am to 7.30pm drojf |
| 10:58 | (there are a few different ones tho, shorter and longer) | |
| 10:58 | paul_p: ahh ill take that out | |
| 10:58 | cait | varying in prices too |
| 10:58 | eythian | rangi: the literary pub tour started at 7.30 didn't it? |
| 10:59 | rangi | i think so |
| 10:59 | mbalmer | literary pub tour? |
| 11:00 | eythian | I think it's a pub crawl with a pretence of culture. Exactly my sort of thing! |
| 11:00 | matts | ^^ |
| 11:00 | mbalmer | tonight? |
| 11:00 | wahanui | tonight is probably 23rd :) |
| 11:00 | eythian | Not sure. |
| 11:01 | cait | forget nonight |
| 11:01 | forget tonight | |
| 11:01 | wahanui | cait: I forgot tonight |
| 11:01 | drojf | hm if tour starts at 8am i would not get any breakfast |
| 11:01 | rangi | i have the brochure for the pub tour by me |
| 11:01 | mbalmer | so pub stroll tomorrow night? |
| 11:01 | cait | drojf: grab something on the way? ask for a lunchpack? ;) |
| 11:01 | eythian | http://www.edinburghliterarypu[…]k/pub_details.php <-- every night |
| 11:01 | medmondson | pubs on Friday night will be very busy |
| 11:01 | mbalmer | I see |
| 11:02 | drojf | cait: they can pack the cooked breakfast :D |
| 11:02 | mtompset | Wow, that was a serioud read to catch up. |
| 11:02 | serious... | |
| 11:02 | cait | i am sure they can... |
| 11:02 | rangi | paul_p: is the default removed now? |
| 11:03 | paul_p | rangi = yes, it work fine now ! |
| 11:08 | eythian | > Did you know that Edinburgh has more pubs per square mile than any other city in Europe? |
| 11:08 | excellent! | |
| 11:10 | drojf | <3 edinburgh |
| 11:14 | clrh | rangi: today the layer provides ability to plug whatever you want - the purpose now is not really solr but adapting/refactoring zebra part - I hope I'll take time to explain during hackfest :) |
| 11:14 | cait | clrh: :) |
| 11:15 | rangi | w00t |
| 11:15 | clrh++ | |
| 11:15 | mtompset | refactoring? |
| 11:15 | wahanui | refactoring is not rewriting it is abstracting. |
| 11:15 | cait | clrh++ :) |
| 11:15 | clrh | stefano++ too happy to see his work |
| 11:15 | rangi | clrh: that sounds really great |
| 11:15 | yes | |
| 11:15 | stefano++ | |
| 11:15 | mtompset | So, providing a friendlier API? |
| 11:16 | cait | lunch break here |
| 11:16 | we will be back :) | |
| 11:16 | clrh | mtompset: sorry I don't know you, are you in edimbourg? |
| 11:17 | api exists it can be enhanced (<- can I say that?) | |
| 11:17 | we'll have lunch, see you | |
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| 11:19 | medmondson | pub: http://www.beerintheevening.co[…]gda_Bar/Edinburgh very close to teviot and one of the cheapest in Edinburgh. very popular with real locals |
| 11:20 | s/'real locals'/my friends | |
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| 11:39 | mtompset | No, I am not. |
| 11:39 | Sorry for a slow reply. | |
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| 11:46 | mtompset | A friendlier API on top of the existing one. |
| 11:49 | Hey, jcamins. | |
| 11:49 | wahanui | jcamins is probably an outstanding cook, well-traveled and brilliant, trying to think of a solution, or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or an authorities expert |
| 11:49 | mtompset | mtompset |
| 11:49 | wahanui | you are not. |
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| 11:49 | mtompset | wahanui |
| 11:49 | wahanui | mtompset? |
| 11:49 | mtompset | wahanui? |
| 11:49 | wahanui | mtompset? |
| 11:50 | mtompset | slef? |
| 11:50 | wahanui | slef is not at home so please email kohacon12 AT software.coop instead |
| 11:50 | jcamins | mtompset? |
| 11:50 | wahanui | i guess mtompset is not. |
| 11:50 | jcamins | wahanui? |
| 11:50 | wahanui | yes, jcamins? |
| 11:51 | jcamins | Huh. "Wahanui" used to have a response like "wahanui is little yet. He needs to learn more. :)" |
| 11:51 | mtompset | How is it that you got such a colourful descriptor, jcamins? |
| 11:51 | jcamins | mtompset: it used to be a lot more colorful. |
| 11:52 | mtompset | jcamins? |
| 11:52 | wahanui | jcamins is an outstanding cook, well-traveled and brilliant, trying to think of a solution, or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or an authorities expert |
| 11:52 | * jcamins | looks for an example. |
| 11:53 | mtompset | who would want to forge queries in the deep fires of zebra? |
| 11:53 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "What wahanui used to know about me" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/435 |
| 11:53 | jcamins | mtompset: I can't say I'd like to, but I don't really have much of a choice. |
| 11:54 | ;) | |
| 11:54 | mtompset | okay, that makes sense. |
| 11:54 | On a positive note... I got wiki access today! | |
| 11:55 | jcamins | I think cait did the "jcamins is an outstanding cook," then various people added the other bits, and I revised it to use commas instead of ". or" a few months ago. |
| 11:55 | Yay! | |
| 11:56 | mtompset | I've already added a slew of discussion notes to the koha on ubuntu page. |
| 11:56 | I figured since I've never edited a page, I'll let someone else do that. | |
| 11:56 | jcamins | No, you should go ahead and edit the pages. :) |
| 11:56 | It's very easy. | |
| 11:57 | mtompset | I'm worried about busting ir. |
| 11:57 | it | |
| 11:57 | jcamins | You won't. |
| 11:57 | And, if you accidentally screw things up, the change can be reverted. | |
| 11:57 | medmondson | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold |
| 11:57 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 11:59 | mtompset | I can't seem to get that link to work, medmondson. |
| 12:00 | Is there a back up somewhere? | |
| 12:01 | jcamins | mtompset: I will summarize: "Be bold and edit those wiki pages!: |
| 12:01 | *" | |
| 12:01 | medmondson | hmm I wonder what is wrong with that URL |
| 12:01 | jcamins | It worked for me. |
| 12:01 | mtompset | I get timeout errors. |
| 12:02 | medmondson | well its a common wiki principle |
| 12:02 | be bold, revert is easy | |
| 12:02 | the wikipedia URL is a bit too wikipedia specific anyhow | |
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| 12:04 | mtompset | okay... I'm editing... it's just that maybe someone has a love of unp over tar -xvf |
| 12:15 | This is scary... so much change in a single edit. | |
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| 12:37 | rangi | jcamins: apparently sip is not working :( can you phone in? or would irc work for questions |
| 12:37 | we can put it on the big screen | |
| 12:37 | and relay questions to you | |
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| 12:37 | jcamins | I can phone in. |
| 12:37 | Or at least try. :) | |
| 12:38 | If not, IRC will work just fine too. | |
| 12:38 | I'll just need the phone-in number. | |
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| 12:40 | rangi | jcamins: eythian is just checking his plan, he thinks he might have cheap international calling |
| 12:40 | (we bought O2 simcards) | |
| 12:40 | so potentially we could call you too | |
| 12:40 | jcamins | I have a calling card which I can combine with VoIP for absurdly low rates. :) |
| 12:41 | rangi | ahh sweet |
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| 12:50 | clrh | is there a place to share the slides? wiki? |
| 12:51 | rangi | yep, people have been linking them to their abstracts/talks there |
| 12:52 | cait | clrh: yep - the wiki woudl be good, on the page with the abstracts |
| 12:52 | eythian | can we upload to the wiki? |
| 12:52 | * eythian | finds out |
| 12:52 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohaCon12_Schedule |
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| 12:52 | cait | eythian: I think we should be able to, nicole linked her abstracts in, not sure how she did it |
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| 12:56 | eythian | You can attach files in the wiki, use the "media files" button. |
| 12:56 | at least, I think it's working... | |
| 12:58 | mtompset | GAH! |
| 12:58 | My login timed out, and all my lovely edits were lost. | |
| 12:58 | jcamins | mtompset: if you hit back quickly, you may not have lost them. |
| 12:58 | mtompset | Yes, this means I have Wiki access. :) |
| 12:59 | Wasn't fast enough. | |
| 12:59 | :( | |
| 12:59 | Okay, smaller edits. | |
| 12:59 | So this doesn't happen again. | |
| 13:01 | Good thing a large section was in the discussion page. :) | |
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| 13:04 | mtompset | ARG! Let's try again... editing the wiki is a pain. |
| 13:04 | eythian | hmm, I appear to not be able to attach the file. |
| 13:04 | it just sites there trying to upload forever | |
| 13:05 | clrh | cait: here ? http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohaCon12_Schedule ok |
| 13:05 | cait | yes |
| 13:05 | hope the uploading works, if not, we will try to figure out something else | |
| 13:05 | * eythian | will just link from somewhere else |
| 13:08 | mtompset | AH! I hit the wrong key and logged out. |
| 13:08 | eythian | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]igrating_to_Koha_.2860_min.29 <-- my slides are linked from here now |
| 13:09 | cait | thx eythian - eythian++ |
| 13:09 | and ++ for all other speakers linking their slides :) | |
| 13:11 | rangi+ | |
| 13:11 | rangi++ even | |
| 13:12 | rangi | hmm? |
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| 13:13 | mtompset | Okay... calmer.... wiki edits are ugly, but made it there. |
| 13:13 | cait | rangi: linking your presentations |
| 13:13 | rangi | ahh |
| 13:15 | jwagner | slef or cait, can you link my presentation? |
| 13:15 | cait | do you have a link to the slides? |
| 13:16 | jwagner | slef asked me to put it online last week, so it's at http://www.koha.org/library/re[…]DoWhenTheySay.pdf |
| 13:17 | slef | I'm about to present. Paralysed by fear, as always before I do anything in public |
| 13:17 | cait | you will do fine |
| 13:17 | eat some chocolate :P | |
| 13:17 | rangi | you'll be fine |
| 13:17 | cait | ok, that was mean |
| 13:17 | dpavlin | slef: don't worry, you are among frineds here :-) |
| 13:17 | slef | cait: you'll be forcing me chocolate after this! |
| 13:18 | cait | slef: hm? |
| 13:18 | eythian | /msg dpavlin you've got the mean songs memorised? |
| 13:18 | cait | jwagner: it's done, please check it works |
| 13:18 | slef: perhaps we should get and store all slides somewhere - itwould be nice to have all files in the same place somewhere | |
| 13:18 | jwagner | cait, looks fine, thanks |
| 13:19 | eythian | cait: ideally you'd upload them to the wiki |
| 13:19 | it's just not working for some reason | |
| 13:19 | (for me, anyway) | |
| 13:20 | cait | I think brooke reported that in the past but were not able to replicate |
| 13:20 | jwagner | I noticed the other day that the schedule on the wiki wasn't the same as on k-c.org -- which one is the "final" version? |
| 13:20 | cait | ah, there should be no schedule on the wiki now |
| 13:20 | I removed it because both tables got out of sync with changes being made | |
| 13:21 | I am going to give uploading files another try | |
| 13:21 | dpavlin | eythian: I'm not sure I know what wean songs you are refering to? From yesteday? |
| 13:21 | drojf | cait: seen http://fudgehouse.co.uk/ ? |
| 13:21 | wahanui | I haven't seen 'http://fudgehouse.co.uk/', drojf |
| 13:21 | eythian | dpavlin: for singing when slef is presen...never mind, explaining a joke kills it :) |
| 13:22 | jcamins | TIRTMI! |
| 13:22 | Ohhh. | |
| 13:22 | Yeah, that's a good shop. | |
| 13:22 | They used to have little samples out. :) | |
| 13:22 | slef | everyone ask lots |
| 13:22 | dpavlin | eythian: I though that mumble, mumble, grrr, grrr sounds should be enough :-) |
| 13:22 | slef | you have 35mins to fill |
| 13:23 | store place good idea | |
| 13:23 | drojf | slef: you've been an excellent host/ presenter so far, don't worry, all will be fine |
| 13:23 | slef | drojf: awww you're so kind |
| 13:23 | cmon, 30mins more | |
| 13:23 | get me out of talking | |
| 13:24 | jwagner | slef, There Is No Escape |
| 13:24 | slef | jwagner: phone in with a q for gbenga |
| 13:24 | jwagner | ? |
| 13:24 | slef | (joke...it is not wired in just now) |
| 13:24 | drojf | eythian: your latex file would give less errors if there were the graphics too ;) |
| 13:25 | slef | if ppl ask 30mins of questions, we run out of time for me |
| 13:25 | jwagner | You'll do fine :-) |
| 13:25 | drojf | slef: we will stay longer for you, don't worry :P |
| 13:25 | cait | ok |
| 13:25 | I can upload pdf files to the wiki | |
| 13:25 | going to try eythian's presentation next | |
| 13:26 | marcelr | pdf works, ppt does not |
| 13:26 | dpavlin | start singing, now! |
| 13:26 | eythian | drojf: yeah, but there's really not much point in including the graphics, most of it is company logo stuff |
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| 13:27 | drojf | eythian: yeah just saw that. company and koha logo |
| 13:27 | for the bullets | |
| 13:27 | eythian | yeah |
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| 13:29 | * mtompset | cringes at the mention of LaTeX. |
| 13:31 | * libsysguy | was reading the devel email about scoreboard and wonders how many kittens sekjal and the rest of the QA team have killed |
| 13:31 | drojf | mtompset: why is that? |
| 13:31 | cait | ok |
| 13:31 | uploading files works - please don't check categories! | |
| 13:31 | jcamins | libsysguy: there's a saved search for Failed QA. |
| 13:31 | cait | I think that might be the problem |
| 13:32 | don't check categories when uploading files | |
| 13:34 | eythian | mtompset: are you some kind of heathen perhaps? |
| 13:34 | * sekjal | is actually Dothraki for 'killer of kittens' |
| 13:36 | libsysguy | touche sekjal |
| 13:39 | marcelr | libsysguy: you really should hate cats before joining qa team ;) |
| 13:40 | rangi | hehe |
| 13:40 | jcamins | Pixel says you're all heathens, and now he's going to hide in a corner. |
| 13:40 | mtompset | LaTeX is not user friendly. |
| 13:41 | marcelr | heathens? |
| 13:41 | mtompset | Powerful. |
| 13:41 | Useful. | |
| 13:41 | drojf | mtompset: i'm a user, it's friendly to me |
| 13:41 | jcamins | marcelr: yes, you hate cats. |
| 13:41 | drojf | way more friendly than a word processor ;) |
| 13:41 | mtompset | When did you first interact with it? |
| 13:41 | jcamins | mtompset: *TeX* is user-unfriendly. LaTeX isn't too bad. |
| 13:41 | * jcamins | doesn't do TeX. |
| 13:42 | drojf | a few years ago |
| 13:42 | mtompset | I had bad experiences from the 90's. :P |
| 13:42 | drojf | i bet word processors were even worse then :P |
| 13:42 | mtompset | I'm sure GUI front-ends have improved. |
| 13:43 | Imagine having to deal with it in a text-only hand-code environment. | |
| 13:43 | Unless you know it well, it's ugly. | |
| 13:43 | Though, I'll still use it for generating PDF output. ;) | |
| 13:44 | Back to wiki edit's before I lose them again. | |
| 13:45 | jcamins | Only seven bugs left to report and assign to myself. |
| 13:46 | mtompset | isn't that a conflict of interest? ;) |
| 13:47 | jcamins | mtompset: nah, it's a conflict of interest if I try to claim that my testing is sufficient to conclude that the fixes resolve the bugs. |
| 13:49 | clrh | rfc++ for a start for documenting feature and test cases (before push) cc nengard |
| 13:50 | rangi | favourite slide so far |
| 13:50 | eythian | mtompset: I wrote it in vim, also not user friendly. |
| 13:50 | jcamins | We report bugs/enhancements for things we're working on so that people know what's going on. |
| 13:50 | clrh: yes, I'll be posting the detailed RFC to the wiki. | |
| 13:50 | talljoy | these sci fi references are over my head rangi |
| 13:50 | eythian | but both are very fast and efficient, which is what I cared about. |
| 13:50 | jcamins | Ooh, sci fi references? :) |
| 13:51 | rangi | thats boba fett, a bounty hunter :) |
| 13:51 | talljoy | is that a dalek, starwars or startrek |
| 13:51 | rangi | starwars |
| 13:51 | jcamins | However, I use bug numbers for tracking. |
| 13:51 | talljoy | lol...oh. i should have recognized from the boys lego sets. |
| 13:51 | cait | heh |
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| 14:07 | schuster | What a day yesterday was I hope today will be more successful! In moving back to community things have been a little bumpy on our own. |
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| 14:07 | schuster | I've had issues mainly with the indexer sucking up disk space... But I did a test search in Staff and it works, but when I do a test search in Pac I get no items found. any suggestions? |
| 14:08 | jcamins | faq? |
| 14:08 | wahanui | rumour has it faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ |
| 14:08 | jcamins | ^^ there is a question about that problem. :) |
| 14:08 | I think it's opachiddenitems. | |
| 14:08 | cait | schuster: which index tool are you using? |
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| 14:10 | schuster | zebra. |
| 14:11 | eythian | or opacsuppresssomething |
| 14:11 | mtompset | dalek is from Dr. Who, talljoy. |
| 14:11 | schuster | When I look in the Koha_opac_error_log I see this - opac-search.pl: accept_language(x,y) called with no clientPreferences (x). at /home/koha/kohaclone//C4/Templates.pm line 331 |
| 14:12 | mtompset | I have a bunch of those flooding my logs too. |
| 14:12 | schuster | something about language? but I see that double // in front of the C4 which makes me concerned. |
| 14:12 | jcamins | schuster: you may need to clear your cookies. |
| 14:12 | schuster | mmm chocolate ones... Ok will try. |
| 14:13 | mtompset | Though, it's for the staff client. |
| 14:13 | schuster | Why would you have those errors in koha-opac-error_log from staff client? |
| 14:13 | mtompset | no, the accept_language(x,y) mess. |
| 14:14 | its in my koha-error_log | |
| 14:14 | I remember tracing it down. | |
| 14:14 | but I forget what it was. | |
| 14:14 | too mant late nights. | |
| 14:14 | wizzyrea | patch or it didn't happen ;) |
| 14:14 | mtompset | ^mant^many^ |
| 14:20 | jcamins | Hm. I think I may add a "C & P Authorities Improvements" meta-bug. |
| 14:21 | schuster | So I turned on the language piece in I8L or whatever that tab is and now get this error - opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value $lang in string eq at /home/koha/kohaclone//C4/Templates.pm line 336. |
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| 14:21 | schuster | But where do I select the language? |
| 14:21 | samuel | hi everybody |
| 14:23 | mtompset | What version are you running, Schuster? |
| 14:23 | wizzyrea | hi samuel |
| 14:24 | the second question? | |
| 14:24 | wahanui | the second question is "What is the exact error message?" |
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| 14:24 | wizzyrea | the third question? |
| 14:24 | wahanui | somebody said the third question was "What version of Koha are you using?" http://koha-community.org/faq/[…]ion-koha-running/ |
| 14:24 | schuster | 3.06.05 |
| 14:24 | mtompset | the first question? |
| 14:24 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" |
| 14:24 | mtompset | That's three questions. :P |
| 14:24 | eythian | they have "or" |
| 14:25 | * wizzyrea | waves at eythian |
| 14:25 | grins | |
| 14:25 | schuster | 3.06.04.000 - actually |
| 14:25 | Even though I downloaded from the website 3.06.05??? | |
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| 14:26 | jcamins | schuster: 3.6.5 was up. |
| 14:26 | Still is. | |
| 14:26 | Odd. | |
| 14:27 | * jcamins | will check what's in there. |
| 14:27 | wizzyrea | perhaps bug 7874? |
| 14:27 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7874 minor, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Templates::get_language generates lots of not defined warnings |
| 14:28 | jcamins | It's 3.6.5. |
| 14:32 | wizzyrea | the patch for that is in 3.6.5, but schuster says he has 3.6.4 |
| 14:32 | or the version is reporting 3.6.4 | |
| 14:33 | schuster | OK step back jcamins wins!!! Evidently in the upgrade it changed the default from Don't Hide to Hide! |
| 14:33 | OpacSupression... | |
| 14:33 | jcamins | wizzyrea: no, I mean, the file labeled 3.6.5 is, in fact, 3.6.5. |
| 14:33 | schuster | whew... |
| 14:33 | wizzyrea | ! that doesn't seem right schuster. |
| 14:34 | jcamins | So you might want to re-download 3.6.5, and upgrade to that right away. |
| 14:34 | schuster | On May 25th I downloaded 3.6.5 from the website and what my about is saying I have 3.6.4 |
| 14:34 | jcamins | schuster: okay, that's weird... |
| 14:34 | wizzyrea | link wrong maybe? |
| 14:34 | jcamins | Yeah, I think so. |
| 14:35 | schuster | OK - well I'm in the middle of my migration to community and have had a few headaches along the way... So I will "redownload" 3.6.5 soon once I can show it is up and running! |
| 14:35 | wizzyrea | hm looks ok |
| 14:36 | i wonder if schuster downloaded it in that magic moment in between when the file was uploaded and the link was changed | |
| 14:36 | schuster | I downloaded the 3.06.05.tar.gz version. |
| 14:36 | wizzyrea | i.e. coincidence of timing |
| 14:36 | jcamins | wizzyrea: yeah, that would make sense. |
| 14:36 | schuster | My luck of course... |
| 14:36 | wizzyrea | do you still have the file? |
| 14:36 | schuster | Ah let me look |
| 14:39 | yes I do what do you want to know about it? | |
| 14:39 | wizzyrea | it says 3.06.05? |
| 14:39 | .tar.gz? | |
| 14:40 | schuster | yep - koha-3.06.05.tar.gz |
| 14:40 | wizzyrea | ok that's odd |
| 14:42 | mtompset | Why is that odd? |
| 14:43 | wizzyrea | because his install reports it's 3.6.4 |
| 14:43 | mtompset | the unpacked directory and the installed directory aren't the same on a standard installation. |
| 14:44 | wizzyrea | yes, thanks. I'm making some assumptions that the upgrade itself was completed correctly |
| 14:44 | jcamins | mtompset: yeah, but if you installed from the 3.6.5 tgz, you should end up with the same version. |
| 14:44 | wizzyrea | since he said he upgraded it |
| 14:44 | it could be that the upgrade itself wasn't completed correctly, and that's why there is a discrepancy | |
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| 14:46 | SJeffery | Can anyone confirm that the 008 date fields are NOT used for a general search, but is used when performing an advanced search by date? |
| 14:46 | jcamins | SJeffery: that is correct. |
| 14:47 | C4::Search-- | |
| 14:48 | rangi | jcamins: people are coming back in |
| 14:48 | jcamins | Not long now. The recorded bit is about ten minutes, and then I'll call in for questions. |
| 14:49 | rangi | so i think we will be starting in a few |
| 14:49 | clrh | do you use the term "lis" for library and information science ? I was looking for a name for a twitter list for people related to ils libraries and job related |
| 14:50 | rangi | yep, that seems to be the common one clrh |
| 14:50 | clrh | great! |
| 14:51 | SJeffery | Is there documentation on which MARC fields are searched by each search box/method? |
| 14:51 | jcamins | SJeffery: there is an out of date table. |
| 14:51 | Somewhere... | |
| 14:51 | SJeffery | Out of date? *prods nicole* |
| 14:52 | jcamins | http://manual.koha-community.o[…]xes.html#id605897 |
| 14:52 | See, what we really need is something that will automatically generate a listing. | |
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| 14:52 | jcamins | That would be a prime example of something that the GRS-1 configuration files do not lend themselves to. |
| 14:52 | DOM, on the other hand, will make that easy. | |
| 14:53 | mtompset | Actually, would the install/upgrade fail if there were missing dependencies? |
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| 14:54 | schuster | I would swear it gave me the report that 3.6.5 was complete, but it is working and I need it "semi" stable before I do ANYTHING to it again... It has been a rough 3 days. |
| 14:55 | mtompset | I'm curious as to the output of ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m |
| 14:55 | jcamins | mtompset: nope. |
| 14:55 | eythian | jcamins: you're almost on :) |
| 14:56 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 14:56 | mtompset | AS opposed to being off. ;) |
| 14:57 | jcamins | I should warn you there are about two and a half seconds of silence at the beginning of the presentation. |
| 14:57 | I couldn't tell if it was recording. | |
| 14:57 | pastebot | "samuel" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ldap, problems of mapping" (25 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/436 |
| 14:58 | jcamins | I also apologize if I talked too fast. |
| 14:59 | eythian | jcamins: slef says thanks for that, it lets him move the video on the screen |
| 14:59 | also that your slides will probably get changed at all the wrong moments :) | |
| 14:59 | jcamins | eythian: that's okay. |
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| 15:00 | mtompset | Well, I'm off. Sounds like I'll miss some fun. |
| 15:01 | cait | jcamins: you are being announced now |
| 15:01 | * mtompset | waves bye. |
| 15:02 | cait | *applause* |
| 15:02 | eythian | huh, so that's what jcamins looks like... |
| 15:02 | cait | video is on |
| 15:03 | * eythian | should pay attention to this |
| 15:03 | eythian | given I'm always asking about it |
| 15:03 | drojf | now that i know how to do it i get several presentations about it |
| 15:03 | :P | |
| 15:04 | * chris_n | cheers jcamins |
| 15:04 | SJeffery | Is there a live stream of this anywhere? |
| 15:04 | * cait | cheers too |
| 15:04 | drojf | SJeffery: don't think so |
| 15:04 | jcamins | SJeffery: there is not. However, my presentation is easy to see. |
| 15:04 | drojf | you will be able to download it later i guess |
| 15:04 | cait | SJeffery: I think the recordings will be available after the conference |
| 15:04 | jcamins | I'm e-mailing you the links. |
| 15:04 | rangi | its going well |
| 15:05 | jcamins | I kept it very short since I'm about the last presentation on the last day. I figure I can answer as many questions as people have, but I didn't want to push it. |
| 15:06 | SJeffery: I just sent you the links to my presentation, which actually comes in two parts thanks to my impatience with video editing. | |
| 15:07 | I think the MPG should play fine with Windows Media Player. | |
| 15:09 | SJeffery | Works:) |
| 15:09 | jcamins | Errr, it sounds like some of the middle slides are missing. |
| 15:09 | Sorry about that. | |
| 15:09 | I think the missing ones were mostly charts of things to think about. | |
| 15:09 | I'll upload those a bit later. | |
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| 15:10 | mbalmer | re-ola |
| 15:11 | * SJeffery | just noticed that secontrolnumber is off....that explains a few things |
| 15:11 | cait | *applause* |
| 15:11 | time for questions | |
| 15:11 | * jcamins | dials in. |
| 15:15 | rangi | thanks jcamins |
| 15:15 | that was really good | |
| 15:15 | jcamins | My pleasure. |
| 15:15 | david_ | *virtual applause* |
| 15:15 | marcelr | jcamins++ |
| 15:15 | cait | yep it was |
| 15:15 | eythian | jcamins: I hope you'll like your video and slides from the wiki |
| 15:15 | cait | jcamins++ |
| 15:15 | eythian | it'd be handy to send to people asking about it |
| 15:15 | *link | |
| 15:16 | jcamins | eythian: yeah. |
| 15:16 | I had some issues with transcoding, so I didn't manage to upload the files to their final resting place yet. | |
| 15:16 | eythian | ah right |
| 15:17 | jcamins | tajoli++ # for sending me a copy of his presentation. |
| 15:18 | paul_p | drupal-opac URL = http://drupal.org/node/1570804 |
| 15:20 | cait | debian packages? |
| 15:20 | wahanui | debian packages are at debian.koha-community.org |
| 15:20 | cait | packages? |
| 15:20 | wahanui | somebody said packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 15:22 | jcamins | Bug 8212 |
| 15:22 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8212 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Omnibus bug report for C & P authority developments |
| 15:23 | talljoy1 | jcamins. good presentation. I liked the funny pause in the middle. And no worries, we heard every word. ;-) |
| 15:24 | jcamins | talljoy1: I realized after getting through the first part that I wasn't actually sure if I'd managed to record it. |
| 15:24 | So I stopped it to check. | |
| 15:24 | Then I couldn't figure out how to resume recording. | |
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| 15:25 | jcamins | So I just started a new clip. |
| 15:25 | talljoy1 | whatever works, right? |
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| 15:30 | rangi | cait: https://launchpad.net/~chris-b[…]/3.8.x-dailybuild |
| 15:30 | cait | thx |
| 15:31 | * jcamins | munches on a couple of German biscotti. |
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| 15:34 | * talljoy1 | looks for biscotti <.< >.> |
| 15:35 | jcamins | clrh: around? |
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| 15:36 | marcelr | 1,5m before me; listening :-) |
| 15:36 | clrh | jcamins: yep! |
| 15:36 | jcamins | marcelr: oh, I thought I was the very last presentation. Guess I got confused. |
| 15:37 | clrh: I wanted to let you know that as part of bug 7417 and bug 8211 I'll be doing more clean up of C4::Search, moving things over to Koha::Search::Engine. | |
| 15:37 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches |
| 15:37 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Add "subject (broader)," "subject (narrower)," and "subject (related)" options for search | |
| 15:37 | jcamins | Oops, need to adjust 7417 to ASSIGNED. |
| 15:38 | clrh | jcamins: great, I have to share last works we done with you and others at hackfest |
| 15:38 | mbalmer | biblibre++ for the Drupal module! |
| 15:38 | clrh | juste "moving" can be not suffisant |
| 15:39 | suffisant = enougth(sorry) | |
| 15:39 | jcamins | clrh: sufficient is an English word too. :) |
| 15:39 | clrh: I'm not *just* moving. | |
| 15:39 | clrh | :) |
| 15:40 | jcamins | In order to move code to Koha::Search, it has to be cleaned up a lot, or it won't work in its new home. |
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| 15:40 | clrh | jcamins: ++ |
| 15:40 | clean clean ;) | |
| 15:41 | jcamins | I am not entirely rewriting C4::Search, but better to have somewhat icky (but not as icky as what we have now!) code in Koha:: and the ability to introduce solr, than wait until someone has the time to entirely rewrite the Zebra interface. |
| 15:43 | clrh | ô icky new word for me :) |
| 15:43 | wizzyrea | so when you need to explain the internet to people, you can use this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?f[…]ded&v=WwyJGzZmBe8 |
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| 15:43 | jcamins | clrh: disgusting/ugly/bad. |
| 15:43 | clrh | yep I saw |
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| 15:44 | clrh | but why cleaning it into Koha:: and not C4:: for the moment? |
| 15:44 | eythian | http://www.amazon.com/Story-Ab[…]ack/dp/0140502416 <-- wizzyrea, also this book |
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| 15:45 | wizzyrea | :P |
| 15:45 | jcamins | clrh: because we want to separate the code. |
| 15:45 | marcelr | kohacon12 closed |
| 15:46 | rangi | now we have to figure out what we are doing tonight |
| 15:46 | jcamins | clrh: we could create a C4::Search::Engine* but that would just make things even messier, and wouldn't reduce circular dependencies. |
| 15:46 | wizzyrea | pubs! |
| 15:46 | mbalmer | pubs |
| 15:46 | more pubs | |
| 15:46 | wizzyrea | maybe some pubs. |
| 15:47 | clrh | yes but if you write into Koha:: you/we will maybe have to rewrite it |
| 15:48 | jcamins | clrh: if I write into C4, it'll still have to be rewritten. |
| 15:48 | SJeffery | jcamins: Very nice presentation |
| 15:48 | jcamins | clrh: my goal is to have things work, improve the quality of the code, and get solr into 3.12, if not 3.10. |
| 15:48 | SJeffery: thanks. | |
| 15:48 | clrh: I have funding to do some work now. I think it's better to do it right from the start. | |
| 15:49 | If we use C4::Search::Engine, that means we'll have to use C4::Search. | |
| 15:49 | Which means that we will have to load the entire C4:: menagerie every time we want to do a search. | |
| 15:51 | I'd rather clean up some code as part of this project, but if you're planning on doing all the refactoring, I can leave it as it is in C4. ;) | |
| 15:51 | (I mean, not you personally, that would be too much... just if you had a plan for it all) | |
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| 15:52 | Joubu | Drink for me at pubs ! |
| 15:52 | bye | |
| 15:54 | jcamins | Enjoy the pubbing. :) |
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| 15:59 | hdl1 | jcamins: any RFC link for C&P devs ? |
| 16:01 | jcamins | hdl1: not yet. I'll be sending them out shortly. |
| 16:02 | Well, probably tomorrow. | |
| 16:02 | clrh | (sorry jcamins I am talking with Stefano) |
| 16:02 | jcamins | clrh: no problem. :) |
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| 16:16 | clrh | ok jcamins I read |
| 16:17 | I will share you the result of hackfest :) | |
| 16:17 | we will drink and eat and | |
| 16:17 | have a good evening | |
| 16:17 | jcamins | ENjoy. |
| 16:17 | *Enjoy | |
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| 16:42 | slef | ta jcamins_away |
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| 16:49 | Morthland | Is there a way to add a font to the patron card creator? |
| 16:57 | SJeffery | Did anyone ever get around to arrange a Koha users gathering at ALA? |
| 17:03 | slef | SJeffery: is ALA now? |
| 17:04 | SJeffery | It starts about the 21st |
| 17:07 | rangi | Thanks slef |
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| 17:11 | slef | rangi: np. did you want the o2 leaflet too? |
| 17:12 | rangi: lucky you stuck it to something with your number on ;) | |
| 17:12 | rangi | Yeah! |
| 17:12 | slef | SJeffery: ah then I've not seen nothing yet |
| 17:22 | mle | back to teviot soon. anupne there? |
| 17:23 | slef where are you at? ia anyone about | |
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| 17:32 | SJeffery | Maybe we could get one of the vendors to organize it? *prods bywater* |
| 17:50 | slef | mle: soory no... doctors may contain nuts |
| 17:52 | SJeffery: I think we distracted bywater with kohacon12. Try asking NateC when he says hi or use @later tell NateC whatever | |
| 17:53 | SJeffery: why don't the users organise users meetups? | |
| 17:53 | * slef | is ignorant co-op worker |
| 17:54 | SJeffery | For the usual reason: lack of time/ability/desire to organize it :) |
| 17:54 | slef | sooo if there is not enough desire, why would a vendor...? |
| 17:54 | wizzyrea | if you have no desire to organize it why would anyone attend? |
| 17:55 | SJeffery | On the part of the individual, not the collective group...someone always has to spend the time |
| 17:55 | slef | so club together, hire a vendor to organise it? |
| 17:56 | else you all just pay more for them to gamble | |
| 17:56 | and get less say about the meeting | |
| 17:56 | * wizzyrea | is not going to ALA this year |
| 17:57 | SJeffery | I can put something together in the next few days...probably something along the lines of "get together this or that room/location and chat about Koha" |
| 17:57 | slef | but I don't know... all these library confs seem like they overcharge vendors who then just overcharge libraries... |
| 17:58 | SJeffery | so true |
| 17:58 | * wizzyrea | would probably find a restaurant and enjoy talking about koha with food and booze. |
| 17:58 | slef | ah so is there no charge from ALA for the meetup? |
| 17:58 | mle | anyone still in town? |
| 17:58 | SJeffery | IIRC ala is something like $10k/booth |
| 17:58 | slef | mle: probably |
| 17:58 | wizzyrea | slef: not if you do the meetup in the hallway track :P |
| 17:58 | SJeffery | Right, I was thinking something informal to just allow people to get together and hang out |
| 17:58 | * mle | wonders where |
| 17:58 | wahanui | wonders is it is too early on Sunday for Koha db questions? lol |
| 17:59 | slef | I have rangi's number but I'm sure he is doing a beer tour starting at the beehive (?) 1930 and they maxed out the number of free places |
| 17:59 | mle | slef ty for taking the eusa laptop |
| 18:00 | * mle | goes home |
| 18:00 | slef | mle: tried the doctors? |
| 18:01 | I think the hard part is in town AND online | |
| 18:01 | wahanui: it is far too early on Sunday | |
| 18:01 | wahanui | ...but it is confusing for someone to be working on a bug and the assignee field is either wrong or blank... |
| 18:01 | wizzyrea | forget it |
| 18:01 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot it |
| 18:01 | slef | wahanui: I don't care! |
| 18:01 | wahanui | slef: sorry... |
| 18:02 | slef | wizzyrea: you brain surgeon you |
| 18:02 | bag | yup ALA charges if you want a meeting room |
| 18:02 | I won't be attending ALA.. | |
| 18:02 | The best way is to have a meetup at a pub ;) | |
| 18:03 | slef | mle: soooo... I suggested the koha vendors needed to merge or form a cartel... and they laughed at me :/ |
| 18:04 | bag | There is some money left over from Kudos conference - That vtl was thinking about using to have a little get together (but I don't know the status of that) |
| 18:04 | schuster may have a better idea on that too | |
| 18:04 | slef | bag: and then you have to charge libraries more and then libraries have to cut costs and close branches and fire librarians... and who is ALA meant to be helping exactly? |
| 18:04 | mle | just laughed or did you manage to ellicita reason? |
| 18:04 | bag | I agree slef |
| 18:05 | seems to be helping themselves (ALA that is) | |
| 18:05 | slef | mle: just laughed at that bit... but we got reactions later |
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| 18:12 | slef | bag: librarians, please take control of your association? |
| 18:12 | bag | PLEASE |
| 18:13 | slef | it's very tempting to say that loudly... but also damaging to one's own business :( |
| 18:13 | mle | slef it needs to be said/suggested in a low threatening manner |
| 18:14 | slef | mle: yeah I'm as subtle as a molotov |
| 18:14 | bag | I don't totally agree… we're not like other vendors - librarians are the star… ALA was great to attend when I worked the circ desk, etc… |
| 18:15 | but now you've summed it up well… more librarian control ;) | |
| 18:15 | mle | bag: ok how to get there? |
| 18:15 | slef | I guess there are pro managers at ALA |
| 18:17 | bag | ALA has pro managers (field officers I think they are called)…. Most of the round tables and actual talks/programs are mostly librarian run.. |
| 18:17 | BUT ALA does have a bottomline number they need to keep up ;) | |
| 18:17 | wizzyrea | I'm sure running the conference itself isn't cheap. |
| 18:18 | slef | wizzyrea: who knows? Do ALA members see the conference budget afterwards? |
| 18:18 | or any summary of it, more likely | |
| 18:18 | you don't need to know that someone paid £10 for a last-minute box of paperclips because they were lost in transit | |
| 18:19 | wizzyrea | don't get me wrong I'm not defending it |
| 18:19 | mle | i reckon we could do a green version in a big tent and make it fun, green and cheap. |
| 18:19 | slef | you do need to know how much the conference is taking out of libraries |
| 18:19 | mle: kohacon 2022? | |
| 18:19 | mle | no silly hotel costs |
| 18:20 | slef | mle: silly heater costs? Have you seen the weather outside? |
| 18:21 | * slef | waits for the gag about slef and hot air... |
| 18:21 | mle | http://www.greenandaway.org/pa[…]fm?pageid=ga-home |
| 18:21 | * slef | is happily disappointed |
| 18:21 | jwagner | slef, wait for it.... |
| 18:21 | slef | so who runs ALA? Librarians or officers? |
| 18:22 | mle | i met investment banker who was raving about a connference he went to at green and awY. he had never slept i a tent before |
| 18:23 | slef | yeah not sure I have since I was 7... I should not be so negative |
| 18:23 | mle | quote they even had shpwers in a tent. |
| 18:24 | anyhow... bbl | |
| 18:24 | wizzyrea | http://www.ala.org/aboutala/mi[…]onhistory/history |
| 18:24 | slef | tata |
| 18:24 | wizzyrea | haha |
| 18:24 | The aim of the Association, in that resolution, was "to enable librarians to do their present work more easily and at less expense." | |
| 18:24 | ohh kayyy | |
| 18:24 | slef | is that glamping |
| 18:24 | wizzyrea: yeah and in reality? ;) | |
| 18:24 | mleaway | uberglamping |
| 18:25 | wizzyrea | "to give librarians a chance to look and feel important in the presence of their peers?" |
| 18:25 | slef | wizzyrea: I can point to co-ops that say one thing and maybe do another |
| 18:25 | * wizzyrea | is a terrible cynic |
| 18:25 | wizzyrea | anyway bye ;) |
| 18:26 | slef | ok ttfn wizzyrea |
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| 20:02 | wajasu | when doing a git dev install, for v3.08.01 i get DateTime::TimeZone 1.26 module required, and I have 1.20. What is the best what to get the 1.26 version? cpan? or deb pkg from? |
| 20:08 | i did a git -b my381 v3.08.01 to hopefully be alligned with debian squeeze. i already have the koha-common pkg installed. | |
| 20:10 | libsysguy | how did you install it the first time wajasu? |
| 20:15 | wajasu | i build a virgin debian vm. i installed apt-get install koha-common and editing and things worked. now i did a git clone, and want to do perl Makefile.PL |
| 20:15 | makefile.PL reports that I need 1.26. I used the debian netinst ISO. | |
| 20:18 | should i had the debian wheezy repo and do apt-cache libdatetime-perl then apt-get install libdatetime-perl=1.26 (or 1.46)? | |
| 20:18 | or should i add the squeeze-dev repo? | |
| 20:19 | squuze-dev is technically pre wheezy i think. | |
| 20:19 | wizzyrea | you can't apt-get install libdatetime-timezone-perl |
| 20:20 | oh nm you said it's got a version mismatch | |
| 20:21 | wajasu | yeah |
| 20:25 | i just wonder what repo has version 1.26 and why my git -b my381 v3.08.01 working branch requires it to build. | |
| 20:26 | dpavlin | I'm running on squeeze using DateTime::TimeZone 1.20 |
| 20:26 | wizzyrea | yea, same |
| 20:26 | typo maybe? | |
| 20:26 | dpavlin | http://cpansearch.perl.org/src[…]Zone-1.46/Changes doesn't list anything which I should be warried about between 1.20 and 1.26 ;-) |
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| 20:31 | dpavlin | It's hard to say. Dependecy was introduced in Bug 5549 together with bunch of others... |
| 20:31 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Hourly Loans |
| 20:33 | * dpavlin | hm! It seems that commit message (which I got using git blame C4/Installer/PerlDependencies.pm) references wrong bug... |
| 20:34 | dpavlin | Anyhow, I would probably decreate version to 1.20 to make squeeze happy (see git show c82d114f) |
| 20:34 | s/decreate/decrease/ | |
| 20:34 | wajasu | i'll go that route. |
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| 20:38 | wizzyrea | imagemagick? |
| 20:38 | graphicsmagick? | |
| 20:38 | wahanui | graphicsmagick is, like, avaliable in package form for the following Operating Systems: Version 1.1.11 in Lenny, 1.3.12 in Squeeze, 1.3.5 in Sid and Ubuntu Lucid. Regarding the update message, all Koha functions still work even if you only have Version 1.1.11 |
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| 20:38 | wizzyrea | see, there's a version mismatch here too, but everything still works |
| 20:38 | and there was a bit of an outrage over lowering the versoin. | |
| 20:39 | version. | |
| 20:39 | wahanui | hmmm... version is wrong |
| 20:39 | wizzyrea | forget version |
| 20:39 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot version |
| 20:39 | schuster | I have a question about zebraindexing... I've been doing some work with it now for 3 days and realized today that it was spinning a bunch of lines as it "sort/merges" |
| 20:39 | pastebot | "schuster" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Is this indicitive of a memory type leak?" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/437 |
| 20:41 | schuster | I think last night when it died I thought it was disc space, but I was only at 80% - today in watching this I had a TON of these lines... |
| 20:41 | I'm on Version 3.06.04 ... | |
| 20:51 | dpavlin | schuster: do you have anything useful in /var/log/koha/*/zebra-error.log ? |
| 21:03 | schuster | let me check |
| 21:04 | nothing but "stopping" messages which would be normal. | |
| 21:05 | dpavlin | strange. kill all processes and hope that you won't run out of disk space again. zebra does need quite a bit of space to do full reindex... |
| 21:06 | and once it dies it can produce a lot of hanging processes since we run incremental update via cron. | |
| 21:06 | schuster | the koha-zebradaemon-output.log has 109661 lines of warn ir_session (exception) |
| 21:07 | I thought originally it was disk, but then today I saw all of these "Zebra" fatal messages when I did ps -ef pages among pages as noted in the paste... | |
| 21:08 | Luckily my index of 277,000 bibs actually completed today so we can move forward with community otherwise my tail was on the line and my boss was ready to.... | |
| 21:09 | I didn't have problems with this during my testing on 3.06.00.14... 3.06.05 has been my nemisis so far but we LOVE the features. | |
| 21:11 | wizzyrea | schuster did you turn off the zebraqueue cron when you did your indexing? |
| 21:11 | maybe the extras are your backed up zebraqueue cronjobs | |
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| 21:15 | schuster | No I didn't so ??? maybe... The install instructions though don't say anything about that and what was in the list are like 5-10 every minute. |
| 21:28 | wajasu | has anyone seen this before after perl makefile.PL, make,make test, make install, then /etc/init.d.apache2 restart --> |
| 21:28 | apache2: Syntax error on line 230 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 32 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha: E | |
| 21:28 | xpected </cql2rpn>/root/koha-dev/etc/zebradb/pqf.properties</cql2rpn> but saw </server> | |
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| 21:37 | mgeist | Whoot! quitting time. Cyall on the morrow. |
| 21:44 | wajasu | my bad i symbolicly linked the wrong file. koha-conf.xml instead of koha-httpd.conf |
| 21:45 | tab completion was not my friend that time | |
| 21:48 | slef | ah so? |
| 21:48 | wahanui | rumour has it ah so is there no charge from ALA for the meetup |
| 21:56 | wajasu | ok. my git env is setup using /root/koha-dev and /root/kohaclone but i get forbidden! You don't have permission to access / on this server |
| 21:57 | slef | wajasu: check your apache configs, particularly <Directory ...> sections. You may find it easier to try again in /home somewhere. |
| 21:57 | wajasu | ok |
| 21:57 | slef | many webserver setups are cautious about serving from /root or /etc or /usr because they often contain sensitive files |
| 21:58 | you can reconfigure it, but maybe it is a bad idea... | |
| 21:59 | wajasu | just as quick to start again. should i be running as a " koha" user account? or such? thats what might be missing from the INSTALL instructions. |
| 22:00 | slef | well some user not used for another purpose, I think |
| 22:01 | you may be right that INSTALL assumes people create a new login for a new web app... not strictly necessary but maybe a good idea | |
| 22:03 | wajasu | i always used to get in trouble with perms and zebra. we will see this time around. |
| 22:04 | slef | oh that is easily done... not too hard to fix with some chown commands... or make much worse |
| 22:05 | is there a reason you are not installing the koha-common*deb packages? | |
| 22:06 | wajasu | i did successfully with a noninteractive shell script that builds a kvm image. no i am adding git dev support for patch support. |
| 22:07 | s/no/now/ | |
| 22:07 | slef | oh right |
| 22:08 | wajasu | i'm trying to align with the apache-shared stuff. (i.e. reuse the mysql/apache stuff. |
| 22:15 | atmanning | can anyone point me to a faq or instructions about why I see zero items added when I import MARC records? Here's my output: Number of records added973 Number of records updated0 Number of records ignored0 Number of items added0 Number of items ignored because of duplicate barcode0 |
| 22:15 | this is a fresh install on Debian squeeze, Koha v 3.8 (koha-commons via apt-get) | |
| 22:16 | wajasu | have you run the zebra indexer? |
| 22:16 | atmanning | I thought the import was supposed to add the items... does this mean my imported marc records are showing zero items? |
| 22:17 | wajasu | or if its in cron, wait until it runs? |
| 22:17 | atmanning | where is the indexer found? |
| 22:18 | nothing found under /var/spool/cron/crontab | |
| 22:18 | wajasu | there is a section in INSTALL.debian than mentions how to set it up. |
| 22:19 | atmanning | i followed this guide: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze where do I find those install instructions? |
| 22:20 | wajasu | did you install koha-common or koha? |
| 22:20 | atmanning | koha-common per the wiki instructions |
| 22:20 | slef | blurgh, I must sleep soon, but where did the MARC records come from and do they have 952 tags? |
| 22:22 | atmanning | pulled them out of a working Winnebago library system. I don't have a clue about the tags. I saw some things about a MARC editor that I suppose I could read through - I'd be happy with a mysql query to update an item count somewhere... |
| 22:22 | slef | yeah you probably need to make the Koha holdings tags |
| 22:22 | atmanning | did a MARC export of 900 records |
| 22:23 | slef | there is a sort-of standard for holdings info in tag 852 but I think it is deprecated and koha uses tag 952 anyway |
| 22:23 | let me get you the layout of tag 952... then I must sleep | |
| 22:23 | @marc 952 | |
| 22:23 | wahanui | The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_fields_%289xx%29 |
| 22:23 | huginn` | slef: unknown tag 952 |
| 22:24 | atmanning | I'd like to try that zebra index thing... looking for it in /usr/share/koha/bin/?? |
| 22:24 | wajasu | i wrote a program way back, that added one item per in the 952 prior to import, as well as set other things. |
| 22:25 | slef | and I am sorry but it is not as simple as a mysql query... you need items added through the Koha API somehow... and updating the MARC before import is probably the simplest |
| 22:25 | (I think adding an item updates 2 or maybe more tables, plus gets sent to the zebra indexing server) | |
| 22:26 | atmanning | I was afraid of that... I think I found the index thing under migration tools --- that seems like an illogical place if it supposed to run all the time |
| 22:26 | slef | there is an inglorious historical reason for it... but I think it is in the INSTALL instructions |
| 22:27 | atmanning | I still haven't found those instructions.... grrr... |
| 22:27 | slef | errr |
| 22:27 | did you install from the debian package or the tar.gz? | |
| 22:27 | mtj | atmanning: ./INSTALL.debian |
| 22:28 | atmanning: cron files are in /etc/cron.d | |
| 22:29 | atmanning | debian package via apt-get koha-commons ... looking for those crons... |
| 22:29 | mtj | cat /etc/cron.d/koha-common |
| 22:30 | slef | if it is the debian package, it will (should) do the INSTALL steps for you |
| 22:30 | mtj | $ dpkg -L koha-common | grep cron.d |
| 22:31 | atmanning | those crons are there.... I'll check for logs next - thanks for the help... gotta go eat before I starve to death |
| 22:32 | mtj | $ koha-rebuild-zebra your-koha |
| 22:35 | atmanning | what's the best way to confirm whether items have been added to my catalog? |
| 22:35 | slef | is the problem lack of items or lack of all search resutls? |
| 22:35 | look up something with an item available in the catalogue? | |
| 22:37 | atmanning | grr.. did a report on catalog statistics - zero items.... I think I'll go back to the MARC records and check that 952 field |
| 22:37 | lack of items and lack of search results too... the koha-rebuild-zebra script didn't complain | |
| 22:40 | * slef | falls asleep...bbl |
| 22:43 | mtj | atmanning: theres 2 basic parts to your problem... |
| 22:43 | 1) is your zebrasrv process running? | |
| 22:43 | 2) did your zebraidx work successfully? | |
| 22:46 | well, and a 3rd part too... | |
| 22:46 | 3) did your marc records import successfully | |
| 22:46 | . | |
| 22:47 | atmanning | yes, yes, and yes but Marc results (above) show all processed but no items added - I manually added items but I would rather set the item count to 1 on all records for the import |
| 22:48 | mtj | ... if your marc records didnt import ok, then the searching or indexing of those non-existent records wont work, either :) |
| 22:48 | atmanning | It looks like I have to find a way to edit the MARC redords and put a 1 in the 952 tag somehow... |
| 22:49 | mtj | your winnebago marc records dont yet contain the needed $952 item-level fields, for koha |
| 22:50 | yes, you need to create correct $952 info for your records *before* import into Koha | |
| 22:51 | atmanning | that sounds right ... I was hoping the import would set the item count to 1 .. |
| 22:51 | now to figure out how to batch modify my marc export file... any pointers? | |
| 22:52 | mtj | nope, Koha will not auto-magically create items for your itemless marc records |
| 22:52 | atmanning | looks like I'll have to figure out how to get the marc edit to do a search and insert |
| 22:54 | mtj | i use perl for that task , some people use a win32 app called marc-edit |
| 22:55 | jcamins_away | atmanning: koha-rebuild-zebra will only complain if the records are corrupted, and it takes talent to import corrupt records. |
| 22:55 | wajasu | i wrote a program in java to do this for me. i also had isbn records in my legacy library db, and queried a list of z3950 servers to get more biblio info. i'm going to have to contrib that one day. |
| 22:56 | it took two days to query servers for just 1500 records, since the servers seemed throttled ;) | |
| 22:56 | i mean 15000 records. | |
| 22:57 | what about bulkmarcimport.pl | |
| 22:57 | mtj | youknow... a really nice project would be marc2koha.pl script - that converted many other ILS marc records to koha's $952 format |
| 22:59 | $ marc2koha.pl --source-format=winnebago --input=winny.mrc --output=koha.mrc | |
| 22:59 | $ marc2koha.pl --source-format=dynix --input=winny.mrc --output=koha.mrc | |
| 22:59 | etc... | |
| 23:00 | jcamins_away | druthb's migration toolbox? |
| 23:01 | druthb's migration toolbox is amazing | |
| 23:01 | druthb's migration toolbox is also https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/ | |
| 23:01 | wahanui | okay, jcamins_away. |
| 23:01 | jcamins_away | druthb's migration toolbox? |
| 23:01 | wahanui | druthb's migration toolbox is, like, amazing or https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/ |
| 23:02 | wajasu | yeah. i coded it in java 3 years ago. it read all the records into a hsql database, and allowed sql queries and matched to z3950 servers, and other smarts like utf8 normalization. |
| 23:03 | good to know there is another solution | |
| 23:05 | mtj | jcamins_away: nice! |
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| 23:06 | mtompset | Hello, #koha. :) |
| 23:09 | mtj | catalyst's csv2marc.pl would be a great start, then add some feature to create a new mapping via a yaml file? |
| 23:10 | jcamins_away | mtj: I prefer druthb's scripts... they're a lot more flexible. |
| 23:10 | mtj | $ marc2koha.pl --mapping-file=dynix.yaml --input=dynix.mrc --output=koha.mrc |
| 23:12 | mtompset | What's being discussed? |
| 23:20 | mtj | jcamins_away: more flexible than the csv2marc.pl script...? |
| 23:21 | jcamins_away | mtj: that's what I find, yeah. |
| 23:22 | mtj | see - a general koha2marc.pl script would help newcomers to koha solve a big problem.... |
| 23:22 | jcamins_away | mtj: agreed. |
| 23:22 | mtj | (as atmanning has just demonstrated to us) |
| 23:22 | jcamins_away | mtj: I was thinking maybe we should be able to import using the CSV profiles feature. |
| 23:23 | mtj | hmm, what is that? |
| 23:23 | wahanui | well, that is maybe broken |
| 23:23 | mtompset | wahanui forget that |
| 23:23 | wahanui | mtompset: I forgot that |
| 23:23 | jcamins_away | CSV profiles? Look in the administration section. |
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| 23:31 | mtj | ah, gotcha :) |
| 23:33 | atmanning: can you paste a winnebago marc record please? -> http://paste.koha-community.org/ | |
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| 23:56 | jcamins_away | cait-m_! What are you doing up?!? |
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