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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:05 | jcamins | mtj: I've been having issues connecting all weekend. |
| 00:05 | chris_n | QOTD help files done |
| 00:05 | mtj | hmm, looks to be a debootstrap problem or bug... |
| 00:06 | rangi | you havent told it the distro, its trying to do sid and pulling from backports |
| 00:07 | mtj | aah, the url is borked :/ -> http://backports.debian.org/de[…]dists/sid/Release |
| 00:07 | rangi | yes |
| 00:07 | mtj | only squeeze/stable |
| 00:07 | rangi | you probably have that in your apt/sources.list or something |
| 00:07 | mtj | http://backports.debian.org/de[…]-backports/dists/ |
| 00:07 | rangi | not sure why you even want backports anyway |
| 00:08 | --distribution squeeze | |
| 00:08 | id do, unless you really want to build packages for sid | |
| 00:10 | mtj | yep, gotcha |
| 00:11 | theres a catch tho - it pbuilder fails with both --distribution squeeze-backports and --distribution squeeze :/ | |
| 00:12 | rangi | why backports? |
| 00:12 | ive never needed backports | |
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| 00:13 | mtj | 'backports' coz its the only dist available here -> http://backports.debian.org/de[…]-backports/dists/ |
| 00:13 | rangi | yes, but why are you even looking at backports? |
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| 00:13 | mtj | ie: theres no 'squeeze' dist, only 'squeeze-backports' available |
| 00:13 | rangi | yes ... at backports |
| 00:13 | which is unsuprising | |
| 00:13 | because thats only for backports | |
| 00:14 | mtj | oops :) |
| 00:14 | rangi | you prolly want ftp.nz.debian.org/something/ |
| 00:16 | mtj | ok, so heres why i got confused before... |
| 00:16 | running this... | |
| 00:16 | bash -x pbuilder create --distribution squeeze --othermirror 'deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main' | |
| 00:16 | gives an error... | |
| 00:17 | I: running debootstrap | |
| 00:17 | I: Retrieving Release | |
| 00:17 | E: Failed getting release file http://backports.debian.org/de[…]s/squeeze/Release | |
| 00:17 | rangi | yes |
| 00:17 | mtj | . |
| 00:17 | rangi | backports |
| 00:17 | you dont want backporst | |
| 00:18 | mtj | so its hitting backports.deb.org anyway? |
| 00:18 | rangi | you want the actual debian repository |
| 00:18 | yes probably because in you /etc/apt/sources.list you have backports or something defined | |
| 00:20 | mtj | yep, i have a backports line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:21 | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free | |
| 00:21 | rangi | yeah, so its using that |
| 00:22 | do you ahve a line for the actual debian repo too? | |
| 00:22 | mtj | weird - pbuilder still hits backports.deb.org - after removing that line ?! |
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| 00:23 | mtj | rangi: hmm, could you paste an example , just in case? |
| 00:23 | Space_Librarian | ola all. |
| 00:23 | mtj | i need a 'deb-src' line in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 00:24 | heya Space_Librarian | |
| 00:24 | wahanui | somebody said Space_Librarian was a Koha poet or the sweetest lil lady you'll ever know |
| 00:25 | mtj | hmm, weird my sources.list looks correct |
| 00:25 | ive removed all my backport line from sources.list | |
| 00:26 | ... and run 'apt-get update' - yet pbuilder still wants to use backports.deb.org ? | |
| 00:27 | jcamins | mtj: delete your fakeroot and redo pbuilder --create |
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| 00:38 | mtj | jcamins: i dont think i have a fakeroot to delete? :) |
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| 00:44 | mtj | ok, so i found the pbuilder problem :) - looks like it wanted an explicit '--mirror' arg |
| 00:46 | without the --mirror arg, it keep defaulting to backports.deb.org , for me :/ | |
| 00:49 | got there in the end... ;) | |
| 01:13 | chris_n | can anyone confirm that that tag editor does not work for 005? |
| 01:22 | libsysguy joined #koha | |
| 01:23 | mtj | chris_n: looks glitchy to me, on master |
| 01:23 | chris_n | I'll open a bug then, thanks |
| 01:23 | mtj | appears to save an edited value, but defaults to an autogen-ed value instead? |
| 01:24 | libsysguy | what would be the best way to transition off master and onto stable with a TINY bit of custom code for ldap |
| 01:25 | rangi | wait for 3.8.1, and switch to the 3.8.x branch, then cherry-pick your custom code |
| 01:25 | libsysguy | ok cool |
| 01:26 | that is what I thought | |
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| 04:30 | druthb joined #koha | |
| 04:30 | druthb | o/ |
| 04:36 | bag | hi druthb |
| 04:36 | druthb | yo, bag. :) Best Boss EVAR! |
| 04:37 | bag | you are only saying that cause you got to go to Jordan and spread Koha love ;) |
| 04:37 | druthb | I say that alla time, silly man. |
| 04:38 | bag | well thanks druthb I love hearing it… But don't deserve it yet - give me a chance |
| 04:38 | druthb | :P You've been saying that for more than a year now. |
| 04:38 | bag | I can be better |
| 05:05 | mtj | eythian: fyi i fixed the borked tiny_mce symlink in the .deb/rules file |
| 05:05 | @bug 7589 | |
| 05:05 | huginn | mtj: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7589 major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , tinymce editor broken in .deb packages - in 'en' templates |
| 05:08 | Space_Librarian | ciao all! :) |
| 05:13 | mtj | heya space |
| 05:13 | bag | hey mtj |
| 05:16 | papa joined #koha | |
| 05:25 | mib_we34nn joined #koha | |
| 05:25 | mib_we34nn | hi guys, |
| 05:25 | wahanui | somebody said hi guys, was there a way to search for and delete duplicate entries in koha? I got a spreadsheet from our librarian which I converted to marc file and imported to koha. however (despite bigbrovar's warning) some of the files in the spreadsheet she gave me were duplicates of entries already in koha. |
| 05:28 | mtj | nope, fix your spreadsheet - then reimport |
| 05:28 | mib_we34nn | when i try to logout from my koha intranet its just disappearing and not loging me out. am forced to go to opac and then do the logging out from there. how can i fix this? |
| 05:36 | where can i change BiblioAddsAuthorities because some fields seem to be locked. | |
| 05:37 | druthb joined #koha | |
| 05:37 | druthb | o/ |
| 05:47 | mib_we34nn | anyone aware of how to unlock some biblio fields that are locked? |
| 05:52 | Judit | https://demo-admin.calyx.net.a[…]blio_framework.pl |
| 05:52 | Create and manage Bibliographic frameworks that define the characteristics of your MARC Records (field and subfield definitions) as well as templates for the MARC editor. | |
| 05:52 | choose a framework you want to modify and click on edit | |
| 05:54 | and this might be the answer dor your logout problem: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6970 | |
| 05:54 | huginn | 04Bug 6970: major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, logout not redirecting to login page |
| 05:57 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 05:57 | Oak | Ahoy me hearties |
| 06:15 | magnuse | kia ora #koha! |
| 06:16 | wunder boo | |
| 06:17 | stupid ubuntu 12.04 messing with my keyboard... | |
| 06:17 | mib_we34nn | thanks so much my logout is working well |
| 06:17 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 06:17 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (7:50 AM CEST on May 08, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:18 | Oak | magnuse |
| 06:19 | druthb | Kia ora, magnuse and Oak! |
| 06:19 | Oak | :) |
| 06:19 | kia ora druthb | |
| 06:19 | Amit_Gupta joined #koha | |
| 06:19 | Amit_Gupta | heya bag |
| 06:20 | bag | heya Amit_Gupta |
| 06:20 | magnuse | hiya druthb Oak Amit_Gupta bag |
| 06:20 | bag | heya magnuse |
| 06:20 | wahanui | it has been said that magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. |
| 06:20 | magnuse | hehe |
| 06:20 | @wunder amman | |
| 06:20 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Amman Airport, Jordan is 15.0°C (9:00 AM EEST on May 08, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 13%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Rising). |
| 06:20 | druthb | wahanui: Oak? |
| 06:20 | wahanui | i guess Oak is Arslan. I am a student doing masters in Library Science (2nd semester). I am a web developer and work in Joomla. or good |
| 06:20 | druthb | heh |
| 06:20 | bag | pizza sounds better than 10000 bugs |
| 06:21 | magnuse | yay for pizza! |
| 06:21 | Amit_Gupta | heya magnuse |
| 06:21 | bag | mtj? |
| 06:21 | wahanui | DeM KraZy NutZ!! |
| 06:21 | Amit_Gupta | @wunder Bangalore |
| 06:21 | magnuse | bag: shouldnt you be sleeping now? |
| 06:21 | huginn | Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 25.0°C (8:30 AM IST on May 08, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. |
| 06:21 | mib_we34nn | how do you unlock the locked fields in biblio framework? |
| 06:21 | Amit_Gupta | @wunder New Delhi |
| 06:21 | huginn | Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 35.0°C (11:30 AM IST on May 08, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling). |
| 06:21 | Amit_Gupta | @wunder Dehradun |
| 06:21 | huginn | Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 34.0°C (11:30 AM IST on May 08, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa. |
| 06:21 | bag | maybe it's only 11:21pm here |
| 06:21 | Amit_Gupta: that's wicked hot | |
| 06:21 | @wunder 93109 | |
| 06:21 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 13.9°C (11:21 PM PDT on May 07, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Rising). |
| 06:21 | magnuse | wow, the temp in amman was more pleasant than i would have thougt! |
| 06:22 | druthb | It's only 9 AM, magnuse. It'll be a good bit warmer this afternoon. |
| 06:22 | bag | magnuse: it's probably still early there |
| 06:22 | druthb | It was quite cold last night. |
| 06:22 | magnuse | druthb: i suspected it might get hotter, yes |
| 06:23 | bag | wicked hot |
| 06:24 | ;) | |
| 06:24 | druthb? | |
| 06:24 | wahanui | She finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
| 06:24 | druthb | It's still spring, bag...midsummer will be killer, I hear, but it's not too bad this time of year. |
| 06:24 | bag | oh noes |
| 06:24 | forget druthb | |
| 06:24 | wahanui | bag: I forgot druthb |
| 06:24 | bag | heh |
| 06:24 | druthb | meanie! |
| 06:25 | Amit_Gupta | heya druhtb |
| 06:25 | bag | brendan? |
| 06:25 | wahanui | i think brendan is with his family |
| 06:25 | druthb | It's supposed to get up to 36C here this afternoon...22C tonight. |
| 06:25 | bag | bag? |
| 06:25 | wahanui | I LIKE BASEBALL |
| 06:25 | druthb | hi, Amit_Gupta! :) |
| 06:25 | bag | druthb never snaps - she's too buddist for that ;) |
| 06:25 | Amit_Gupta | I LIKE CRICKET |
| 06:25 | magnuse | 36 is hot-ish, yes... :-) |
| 06:25 | druthb | :P |
| 06:26 | wahanui: druthb? | |
| 06:26 | wahanui | you are thinking she likes Amman. A lot. |
| 06:26 | bag | Noice |
| 06:26 | magnuse | hehe |
| 06:26 | mib_we34nn | anyone aware of how to unlock locked field in koha? |
| 06:27 | druthb | imma trying to convince bag that we need a satellite office in Amman. It's an easy place to like, for lots of reasons. |
| 06:27 | bag | convinced |
| 06:27 | magnuse | hehe |
| 06:27 | druthb | There *will* be a long-ish article about it on the blog, probably in 12 hours or so, with pics, and *why* I'm rapidly falling in love with this place. |
| 06:28 | bag | love it |
| 06:28 | magnuse | yay! |
| 06:28 | mib_we34nn: have you seen the FAQ "Is there a way to not use authorities?" here: http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ ? | |
| 06:29 | mib_we34nn | let me check |
| 06:32 | i have gone as far as Home › Administration › MARC Frameworks › Books, Booklets, Workbooks (BKS) but i cant trace BiblioAddsAuthorities to allow the locked fields. where should i go? | |
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| 06:35 | mib_teg4gk | please help me to know to set system preferences |
| 06:36 | mib_we34nn | the issue is that, MAIN ENTRY--PERSONAL NAME has several locked fields an i dont seem to get where to unlock them. pliz help |
| 06:36 | magnuse | mib_teg4gk: when you see the list of frameworks you need to click on "MARC structure" |
| 06:37 | mib_we34nn | ok, |
| 06:37 | magnuse | then find the field you want to change |
| 06:37 | mib_we34nn | ok, |
| 06:37 | Judit | have a look at this maybe |
| 06:37 | http://blip.tv/bywater-solutio[…]-koha-3-4-5346390 | |
| 06:37 | magnuse | Judit++ |
| 06:37 | mib_teg4gk | ok |
| 06:37 | mib_we34nn | let me check on it thanks sofar |
| 06:38 | mib_teg4gk | thanks for the information |
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| 06:50 | mib_sgz3hw | anyone aware of how to unlock the locked fields in koha |
| 06:51 | Judit | oka |
| 06:51 | y | |
| 06:51 | mib_sgz3hw | i have checked the FAQs and it is stated that , i can correct that by going to BiblioAddsAuthorities set to ‘allow’. where it is set to 'dont allow' but i dont know where to get this |
| 06:54 | Judit | i show you one |
| 06:54 | druthb | mib_sgz3hw: That's in system preferences, in the administration menu. Search the system preferences for BiblioAddsAuthorities. |
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| 07:05 | mib_sgz3hw | to all who have helped me thanks so so much . nice time |
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| 07:11 | druthb | bonjour, francharb. :) |
| 07:12 | francharb | morning druthb ! |
| 07:12 | :) | |
| 07:14 | druthb | I got the closest I have ever been to Marseille over the weekend. The inflight map showed us flying just south of there, at 10 km altitude. |
| 07:17 | francharb | druthb, where were you going to? |
| 07:17 | * druthb | is in Amman, Jordan. |
| 07:20 | francharb | lucky you |
| 07:20 | how long do you stay there? | |
| 07:21 | druthb | a man just came thorough the office where I am working...my counterpart here said he was taking up collections for an orphanage, after he left.. I said I would be happy to contribute, so they called him back, and Ihab translated for me, and I gave him 20 dinars. Good Karma Is Cheap. |
| 07:21 | I'll be here until the 18th of May. | |
| 07:26 | francharb | oh but you are working |
| 07:26 | I thought you were visiting | |
| 07:26 | anyway, must be great | |
| 07:26 | :) | |
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| 07:29 | Oak | should I use the built-in label creator in Koha for printing barcodes, or is there a better option? |
| 07:29 | software... i mean | |
| 07:32 | druthb | francharb: yes, I'm workin'. We're working with an organization here to improve Koha for Arabic and other right-to-left languages. (and other facets of translation.) |
| 07:32 | hi, cait! | |
| 07:32 | cait | hi all :) |
| 07:33 | francharb | sounds cool! |
| 07:36 | druthb | I'm working on right-to-left layout translation right now. |
| 07:36 | Oak | o dear people my question not worth an answer huh? |
| 07:38 | i am printing the just the barcode... the barcode lines, and the barcode number under the lines. the font of the numbers is too thin and smallish compared to the labels. how can I increase the font size of the barcode number? | |
| 07:38 | the "Font" and "Font Size" option here << Home › Tools › Labels Home › Manage Label Layouts › Edit Label Layout >> has no effect when I change them. | |
| 07:39 | cait time for you to leave? | |
| 07:40 | cait | :) |
| 07:40 | no not today | |
| 07:40 | on vacation | |
| 07:40 | Oak | cool. |
| 07:40 | help me then. | |
| 07:40 | druthb | I've not worked with the labels much, Oak; I know there are some problems with some fonts. |
| 07:40 | francharb | Oak, I wish I could help you but I just don't know... :( |
| 07:40 | Oak | hmm okay. so how do you guys print barcodes? |
| 07:41 | francharb | Libraries I'm working with usually buy them on stickers |
| 07:41 | Oak | ah |
| 07:41 | that would be easier | |
| 07:42 | francharb | If they dont, they use the label creator |
| 07:43 | cait | Oak: same here - buying premade barcode labels mostly |
| 07:43 | I think chris_n might be able to help you with the font size - not sure who else | |
| 07:43 | Oak | hmm. well next time i should do *that* then. |
| 07:44 | chris_n, are you free? | |
| 07:45 | druthb | It's 03:45 for chris_n, Oak...probably not around yet. |
| 07:45 | Oak | ah. got it. |
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| 08:25 | dgl-library | Hi #koha! |
| 08:27 | fredericd | druthb++ |
| 08:27 | for working on RTL languages | |
| 08:28 | cait | hi fredericd :) |
| 08:28 | druthb++ yep | |
| 08:28 | druthb | thanks, fredericd. I'm kind of improvising, as I only speak/read English. But the folks I am working with like what I'm doing so far. |
| 08:28 | francharb | ++ |
| 08:29 | fredericd | druthb: Have you seen how UNIMARC XSL support Arabic/Hebrew writing? |
| 08:29 | druthb | You can take a look at the opac at http://L17.load.bywatersolutions.com |
| 08:30 | fredericd | it helps for multi-lingual catalogs |
| 08:30 | druthb | No, I haven't. I'll be sure to, as that may be needed for MARC21, which is commonly in use in Jordan. |
| 08:31 | One of the things I want to address on this trip is having some mechanism for OPACMainUserBlock and other html blocks be switchable in value, based on the current language setting. Very useful for multilinguals. | |
| 08:32 | cait | druthb: but you have seen the 880 with hebrew in marc21, right? |
| 08:32 | fredericd | I'm not sure it's MARC21 transposable since it uses a UNIMARC $7 subfield containing explicitely the writing code |
| 08:32 | druthb | It's been a while since I looked at it, cait. |
| 08:32 | cait | fredericd: we have a solution for 880 fields in marc21 |
| 08:33 | druthb | we're also investigating a better way to deal with installer/data/mysql/<lang> than what we are doing now. That's not sustainable, IMO; I'd like to move it --somehow-- into the existing translation framework. |
| 08:33 | fredericd | For OPACMainUserBlock, isn't CSS class="rtl" enough? |
| 08:34 | druthb++ for translating SQL files on the fly from .po files... | |
| 08:34 | druthb | fredericd: That works, if you only want one language...the way I did it on that test opac works, but is non-optimal. I want it where, if you're in English, you see English, if arabic, you see arabic. |
| 08:34 | cait | druthb: you would need a query parser for sql... not sure that is doable because it's hard to tell what is a string and what not |
| 08:35 | druthb | cait: I'm thinking of using placeholders around the strings-to-translate....then only C4::Installer::load_sql needs to be fixed to cope. |
| 08:35 | cait | similar to how javascript works? |
| 08:35 | druthb | yes. |
| 08:36 | fredericd | druthb: I also agree that placeholder is the solution generally used in any software I've seen |
| 08:36 | much more reliable than parsing (as done currently for templates) | |
| 08:36 | druthb | My strategy is : 1) nothing at all that would be a fork..everything comes to the community. 2) minimal change for other devs 3) reduce the problem down to string translation with pootle, everywhere possible. |
| 08:36 | fredericd | and it allow translation on-the-fly, without generating files, again and again |
| 08:36 | druthb | fredericd: I agree with part of your latest on bug 8044--that needs to be in the existing translation framework. |
| 08:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Localization for Perl scripts and modules |
| 08:37 | druthb | New directory==new complexity==bad. But the patch *works* as it is, so his first swing at it is sound. Now to make it "fit" better. |
| 08:37 | rangi | Also fredericd is right about using the appropriate modules |
| 08:38 | * druthb | nods. As I've not worked with either before, I'm unqualified to have an opinion. |
| 08:38 | fredericd | For me, the difficulty is that if we switch to a coherent translation framework, whichever it is, we will have to mark string to be translated in ALL existing templates |
| 08:38 | druthb | That'd be a bit of a chore. |
| 08:38 | fredericd | I don't see how it could be done incrementaly |
| 08:38 | cait | h fun |
| 08:38 | oh fun | |
| 08:39 | fredericd | maybe a MEGA hackfest! |
| 08:39 | rangi | Yep it would have to be done in one go, and right at the start of a cycle |
| 08:39 | druthb | Yah, it's almost gonna have to be a red-letter-day switch. There are about 450 templates in the staff, about 50 in OPAC. |
| 08:39 | rangi | So have 6 months to fix |
| 08:40 | fredericd | druthb: The translation framework I would favor is done by a German: https://metacpan.org/author/GUIDO |
| 08:40 | You could get in touch directly with him | |
| 08:41 | He manages a large web application with its framework | |
| 08:41 | druthb | by the by, fredericd...the current ar-Arab .po files simply do not apply...the translate script can't make it fly. That load server is running 3.6.x...I don't know who has messed up the .po for that, but it is a serious mess. (also, my Arabic friends tell me, the quality of the translation of strings is pretty poor. |
| 08:41 | cait | and we have to find a way to keep existing translations |
| 08:41 | I mean transfer existing work to the new framework | |
| 08:41 | fredericd | cait: almost impossible... |
| 08:42 | cait | well we should try |
| 08:42 | it takes weeks | |
| 08:42 | and then oyu have something that is not consistent | |
| 08:42 | it took ages to get translations where I don't fall over a typo or weird term on every page | |
| 08:43 | rangi | Also it needs to be very fast |
| 08:43 | fredericd | cait: But with an improved framework, we could avoid having non-sense strings to translate, and much less strings, and constructed strings, no pieces of strings |
| 08:43 | druthb | ! |
| 08:43 | fredericd | rangi: no speed issue with persistency |
| 08:44 | rangi | Yes there is |
| 08:44 | fredericd | the whole translation file is loaded in memory, and getting translation is just a lookup in hash |
| 08:44 | rangi | There is always speed issues, just less |
| 08:44 | fredericd | yes |
| 08:44 | rangi | That's still slower |
| 08:45 | * druthb | is feeling smug. The office boy here--who speaks no English at all--came in, carrying a tiny cup of turkish coffee for my counterpart. He looked at me, and pointed at the cup with a questioning look...and I said, "shy"...and he brought me tea, sugared just right for me. |
| 08:45 | magnuse | yay |
| 08:45 | fredericd | druthb: Do you want the name and email address of the person responsible of Arabic translation? |
| 08:46 | druthb | please. The folks I'm working with here will probably want to talk to them....could you email? |
| 08:46 | fredericd | y |
| 08:46 | It's a team of Syrian, Algerian, Tunisian people, | |
| 08:47 | cait | I am not sure on the fly translation will solve all our problems |
| 08:47 | it's too complicated for that | |
| 08:47 | we have lots of javascript | |
| 08:47 | we have xml | |
| 08:47 | we have tt | |
| 08:47 | we have lots of different components and things playing together | |
| 08:48 | and i worry that persistency will not make it fast enough - like rangi said | |
| 08:50 | druthb | The locals here are trying to ramp up projects *now*, so I'm working in the existing framework--hopefully, we have time for a better one soon, but these folks are hot to trot to get Koha busy displacing SirsiDynix in the middle-east. |
| 08:50 | cait | :) |
| 08:50 | I think moving the opac system preferneces | |
| 08:50 | into something like the news editor would be nice | |
| 08:50 | rangi | Poedit will tell u what's wrong with the .po file |
| 08:50 | cait | and adding a default language system preference |
| 08:51 | druthb: that would solve the problem of switching languages - we have a whole bunch of those and we add more and more - but not working well for multiple languages | |
| 08:52 | opaccredits, opacmain, the header one, the one on the no results page... and so on | |
| 08:52 | there are also the xml cataloging plugins which are untranslatable now :( and the xml chosen is a bit weird making it hard to be parsed | |
| 08:52 | druthb | that's my thinking, cait. I'm hoping to test an approach to that in the next day or two...will take a little longer to fancy up the tool to edit, but if I can get the code working... |
| 08:53 | cait | they should have never gone in... in the first place. |
| 08:53 | breaking translations like this :( | |
| 08:53 | rangi | The news selector is broken for dialects |
| 08:53 | You can't select en_nz | |
| 08:54 | That needs to be fixed | |
| 08:55 | Yeah I think translation manager should be able to veto things that break translations | |
| 08:55 | cait | I think the problem there was that it was missed |
| 08:55 | until too late | |
| 08:55 | rangi | Like in 3.8.0 how a ton of strings pushed after freeze |
| 08:55 | * cait | growls |
| 08:56 | rangi | (help files) |
| 09:00 | fredericd | help files should be outside. Translating the software is one thing, translating help is another one |
| 09:02 | * druthb | concurs, especially if they're not going to be updated until after string freeze. |
| 09:02 | rangi | Still need to give translators time to do it |
| 09:03 | And they shouldn't be after the freeze | |
| 09:03 | That's my point | |
| 09:03 | druthb | indeed. |
| 09:03 | rangi | If u miss the freeze, u wait for next release |
| 09:03 | Just like other patches do | |
| 09:05 | cait | I guess the reasoning was missing documentation for new features... but it's just not fair for every other language than enlgish |
| 09:05 | rangi | Speaking of which |
| 09:05 | I should email the list | |
| 09:05 | String freeze for 3.8.1 | |
| 09:05 | On 15 May | |
| 09:06 | fredericd | Two different issues: 1) a release error, 2) a design error (help text in template .po files) |
| 09:06 | druthb | fredericd: I agree--it would be useful to kick the help text out of the main .po; it just bloats the file horribly, and there's likely a better way. |
| 09:07 | cait | I filed a bug suggesting that |
| 09:07 | it would also allow prioritizing gui before help files | |
| 09:07 | rangi | Still needs to be translated. And so need to give ppl time to do so |
| 09:08 | That's the trick | |
| 09:10 | cait | perhaps a communication problem too |
| 09:10 | plus everything else | |
| 09:10 | rangi | :) |
| 09:10 | With my caching rendered html plugin | |
| 09:11 | U could cache translated templates | |
| 09:11 | That would make serving them fast | |
| 09:11 | cait | :) |
| 09:12 | rangi | Just have language code as part of key |
| 09:13 | fredericd | rangi: is there a bug number for that patch? |
| 09:13 | rangi | Hmm |
| 09:13 | cait | I think it is somewhere |
| 09:13 | rangi | @query plugin |
| 09:13 | huginn | rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=900 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Unimarc Authorities |
| 09:13 | rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1218 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , New plugin for MARC21 replacement cost | |
| 09:13 | rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=737 enhancement, P2, ---, mjr, NEW , Map of library in search system | |
| 09:13 | rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=917 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , plugins for coded fields in unimarc authorities | |
| 09:13 | rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1817 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , pagination links disrupt display on large result sets | |
| 09:14 | cait | jared talked aobu tit |
| 09:14 | bug 7387 ? | |
| 09:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7387 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Add Template::Toolkit plugin to allow caching of includes |
| 09:14 | rangi | Yeah hard to find on my phone |
| 09:14 | francharb | hehe |
| 09:14 | rangi | That one |
| 09:15 | francharb | cait, will you be at the kohacon? |
| 09:15 | cait | yep :) |
| 09:15 | francharb | cool |
| 09:15 | cait | nothing could keep me away |
| 09:15 | you too? | |
| 09:15 | francharb | :) |
| 09:15 | yep | |
| 09:15 | cait | yay! |
| 09:15 | rangi | After kohacon ill have extended to redis as well as memcached and file::cache |
| 09:15 | cait | have you figured out who else froom biblibre? |
| 09:16 | francharb | cait, I think, Paul Claire, Sophie, Adrien and Alex are coming too... |
| 09:16 | cait | oh nice |
| 09:16 | no gaetan? | |
| 09:16 | francharb | nope |
| 09:16 | cait | but still, big biblibre group :) |
| 09:16 | francharb | yep! |
| 09:16 | :) | |
| 09:17 | It's going to be great | |
| 09:17 | but, what I wanted to ask you is | |
| 09:17 | rangi | slef: about? |
| 09:17 | cait | yep? |
| 09:17 | wahanui | yep. |
| 09:18 | francharb | would you be able to show how fix a template when you have a word/words that are not in the po file? |
| 09:18 | i guess it's not that hard | |
| 09:18 | and since I want to do more translation, I want also to be able to do patches to correct these glitches | |
| 09:19 | cait, you wanted me to be in the "history", I found a way to make it! ;) well, hopefully ;) | |
| 09:20 | cait | ooh, taht sounds good |
| 09:20 | where do I have to sign off? :) | |
| 09:20 | ah right, should read back first | |
| 09:20 | can you show me the problem string? | |
| 09:20 | francharb | hehe |
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| 09:21 | francharb | for example, on the admin interface, the "more" button |
| 09:21 | which list the modules | |
| 09:22 | or, on moremember.pl, there are strings that are not translatable, I can't find them in the po file | |
| 09:23 | and it's 100% translated... | |
| 09:23 | so my guess is that something missing in the template to tell koha that those strings should be in the po file..; | |
| 09:24 | cait | hm |
| 09:24 | the more button works for me | |
| 09:24 | or it used to | |
| 09:24 | I would have to check again in master | |
| 09:24 | did you try reloading your javascript? | |
| 09:24 | francharb | how so? |
| 09:24 | cait | sometimes that can lead to weird things, like the list button in opac showing up nontranslated |
| 09:24 | I think it#s shift f5 | |
| 09:25 | francharb | cait, it doesn't change.. |
| 09:26 | but that's no big deal | |
| 09:26 | I can check this out later | |
| 09:26 | cait | normally |
| 09:26 | when it's javascript | |
| 09:26 | it has to be surrounded by _(...) | |
| 09:26 | francharb | humm |
| 09:26 | cait | only wondering because it def used to work :) |
| 09:27 | francharb | if it's just things like to correct, I guess I will be able to do it! ;) |
| 09:28 | cait | i can't wait to see your first patch :) |
| 09:28 | there are some problems in authorities you might want to try to tackle | |
| 09:28 | there is a list on the wiki | |
| 09:28 | I worked on some of them in marseille | |
| 09:28 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]anslatable_string | |
| 09:29 | francharb | cait, during the hackfest, I wish I could work on this and send my first patch! ;) And It would be great to organize massive tests on circulation rules... It's totally different but totally necessary ;) |
| 09:29 | cait | oh yes... |
| 09:29 | i think there are some patches in the pipeline to make things better | |
| 09:29 | francharb | great link!! bookmarked! |
| 09:29 | cait | but it#s so hard to test that even fixes get stuck |
| 09:30 | francharb | I know!! That's why I want to organize something with a couple of people to share the work and think about how to test, etc. |
| 09:32 | cait | so many things to do :( |
| 09:32 | francharb | the thing is, we don"t have a chechlist to run when a new feature come, etc... The idea would be to list tests that should be run every time we have a new feature related to circulation rule |
| 09:32 | cait | 3 days not enough! |
| 09:32 | yeah, I think we should have test plans | |
| 09:32 | on the wiki | |
| 09:32 | wahanui | it has been said that on the wiki is more information about the packages |
| 09:32 | francharb | cait, sure but a small group could be dedicated to this topic |
| 09:33 | cait | and perhaps try to automate some of them later on |
| 09:34 | francharb | that would be perfect |
| 09:34 | but first thing is to know what we want to check! | |
| 09:34 | cait | it's perhaps something we could try to do in a online meeting to |
| 09:34 | francharb | ;) |
| 09:34 | cait, sure! | |
| 09:34 | cait | perhaps getting liz involved too |
| 09:34 | she knows lots and lots about holds | |
| 09:35 | francharb | my plan is : talking about it with people interested, do a wiki page, share it, continue the discussion on IRC during an online meeting and then work! |
| 09:36 | cait, if at least we could get organised on this topic during the hackfest, it would the first step to success! ;) | |
| 09:36 | cait | :) |
| 09:37 | I only worry because I already want to do too many things at the hackfest! | |
| 09:37 | magnuse | good plan! |
| 09:37 | cait | including learning new things of course :) |
| 09:37 | francharb | oups, I just saw it's 11:36 and my presentation for the training I give tomorrow is not ready... |
| 09:38 | magnuse, will you be at the kohacon too? | |
| 09:39 | magnuse | francharb: sorry, no. i will be waiting for my firstborn... ;-) |
| 09:39 | ...and missing you all *a lot*... | |
| 09:40 | slef | rangi: you still there? |
| 09:40 | rangi | Yup |
| 09:41 | francharb | magnuse, next time! and congrats! ;) |
| 09:41 | rangi | Was wondering what the license for the kohacon logo is |
| 09:41 | slef | inherited from the koha logo IIRC so GPLv2+? |
| 09:42 | rangi | Sweet |
| 09:43 | So I can put it on a t-shirt if I wanted with no issues | |
| 09:43 | slef | please do. Let us know how people can buy and let's link it from the website |
| 09:43 | rangi | Cool |
| 09:44 | cait | :) |
| 09:44 | rangi | Just an idea at the mo, but will link it if it becomes reality |
| 09:44 | cait | slef: we will have to change the hackfest schedule |
| 09:45 | perhaps exchanging the bugsqash and packaging | |
| 09:45 | so packaging is in the afternoon | |
| 09:45 | slef | cait: yes. Also there may be an Anti-ACTA march on 9th |
| 09:45 | rangi | That'd work |
| 09:45 | cait | it woudl free some time for free hacking in the morning |
| 09:49 | slef: reason is that liw will not arrive until afternoon | |
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| 09:55 | magnuse | francharb: thanks! and definitely next time! |
| 09:55 | francharb | :) |
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| 10:03 | * druthb | grumbles something about recalcitrant css |
| 10:03 | cait | slef: did you see my edits to the wiki? I also sent you a mail with the complete summary? |
| 10:06 | slef | cait: yes, thanks. I'll get on with it ASAP. |
| 10:06 | it's a big help. Too many balls in the air here just now. | |
| 10:07 | cait | ok - was not sure you got the mail |
| 10:07 | :) | |
| 10:10 | magnuse | oops in 3.8 just looking at :8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/categorie.pl gives lots of this in the error log: Illegal date specified (year = 0, month = 0, day = 00) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/admin/categorie.pl line 200 |
| 10:11 | cait | we have millions of warns everywhere :( |
| 10:13 | magnuse | woohoo! ;-) |
| 10:32 | slef | hrm the 9 June march is in Glasgow https://www.facebook.com/events/375858179095979/ |
| 10:33 | 50minutes and £12 away by train | |
| 10:53 | Amit_Gupta | heya cait |
| 10:53 | cait around? | |
| 10:56 | cait | yes? |
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| 11:30 | Amit_Gupta | heya jawagner |
| 11:30 | jcamins | o/ |
| 11:35 | jwagner | Hi Amit_Gupta |
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| 12:01 | chris_n | hi mail |
| 12:03 | cait | hi chris_n :) |
| 12:03 | chris_n | heya cait |
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| 12:05 | keisyr | witam wszystkich |
| 12:05 | hello all | |
| 12:05 | magnuse | hiya keisyr |
| 12:05 | cait | hi keisyr |
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| 12:06 | keisyr | I prepared demo LiveDVD Koha 3.8 running on Linux Mint |
| 12:07 | someone come in handy sea | |
| 12:08 | chris_n | cait: millions of warns.... do you mean in categorie.pl? |
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| 12:09 | keisyr | http://koha.org.pl/live/ |
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| 12:10 | jcamins | keisyr: nifty! |
| 12:13 | keisyr | ;) |
| 12:13 | magnuse | chris_n: i think cait meant all over the code |
| 12:14 | cait | chris_n: everywhere :( try orderinga book until receive |
| 12:14 | or a search in opac | |
| 12:14 | from advanced search | |
| 12:14 | or or or | |
| 12:16 | chris_n | cait: I think there is a bug for removing extraneous warns |
| 12:16 | cait | I know |
| 12:16 | I filed it | |
| 12:17 | I started in opac - but have to redo some of it I think | |
| 12:17 | I mean some of the patches need to be redone | |
| 12:18 | :( | |
| 12:19 | * chris_n | pokes bug 7877 |
| 12:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7877 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , note on expiration in the opac worded wrongish |
| 12:19 | chris_n | opps |
| 12:20 | * chris_n | pokes bug 7977 |
| 12:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7977 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Add a "Quote-of-the-day" feature to the OPAC homepage |
| 12:20 | chris_n | ^^ ready for sign-off :-) |
| 12:20 | cait | :) |
| 12:20 | chris_n | nengard should like me... I wrote help files for it |
| 12:20 | nengard | WOO HOO :) |
| 12:21 | You're awesome | |
| 12:21 | chris_n++ | |
| 12:21 | chris_n | nengard: feel free to correct the manual references once it makes it into master |
| 12:22 | I wasn't sure what they would be, so I just made-up a url :-) | |
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| 12:33 | cait | bug 737 |
| 12:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=737 enhancement, P2, ---, mjr, NEW , Map of library in search system |
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| 12:35 | cait | hi oleonard |
| 12:35 | :) | |
| 12:35 | oleonard | Hi |
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| 12:40 | magnuse | was someone asking about GBSD yesterday? |
| 12:41 | oleonard? | |
| 12:41 | wahanui | hmmm... oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
| 12:41 | oleonard | Yes, I did. |
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| 12:41 | magnuse | you want one? |
| 12:42 | oleonard | What I want is something to happen to shake up the long queue of pending patches |
| 12:42 | magnuse | i sort of forgot about them - it got hard trying to rack up some enthusiasm. sort of |
| 12:42 | yeah! | |
| 12:42 | any ideas? | |
| 12:42 | wahanui | any ideas are welcome :) |
| 12:42 | oleonard | ...but I don't know that GBSD would help get signoffs |
| 12:43 | magnuse | a little bit of brainstorming is in order, i thinl |
| 12:43 | s/thinl/think/ | |
| 12:43 | oleonard | I wonder if we need the developers of some patches to help guide testing? |
| 12:43 | I just know that a lot of patches I wouldn't know where to begin to test | |
| 12:43 | magnuse | might be a good idea |
| 12:44 | the fudge idea is interesting | |
| 12:44 | * chris_n | will exchange fudge for signoffs and qa on 7977 :-) |
| 12:44 | chris_n | hmmm.... hope that's not equivalent to a bribe... :-) |
| 12:45 | magnuse | i would pledge some kind of reward/bounty if we for example set a goal of "whoever does the most signoffs in the next month" |
| 12:45 | or something | |
| 12:45 | cait | hm a month is long |
| 12:45 | it's really not easy | |
| 12:45 | chris_n | maybe weekly or by-weekly |
| 12:45 | magnuse | could be norwegian chocolate, "trollhunter" on dvd or similar |
| 12:46 | cait | one idea I had was a script |
| 12:46 | chris_n | bi even |
| 12:46 | cait | that nags about an old bug |
| 12:46 | each day | |
| 12:46 | magnuse | yeah, one or two weeks might be better |
| 12:46 | cait | until someone fixes or closes it |
| 12:46 | magnuse | im just thinking aloud here |
| 12:46 | where should the nagging go? to the devel-list? | |
| 12:46 | chris_n | maybe a "bounty-per-bug" where the author/sponsor puts up some bounty? |
| 12:46 | so each bug nets something? | |
| 12:46 | magnuse | ooh :-) |
| 12:47 | cait | not sure I get the idea |
| 12:48 | magnuse | chris_n could promise to send a small package of fudge to whoever signs off on bug 7977 for example |
| 12:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7977 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Add a "Quote-of-the-day" feature to the OPAC homepage |
| 12:48 | chris_n | cait: each bug would have some "reward" etc attached to it by the assignee |
| 12:48 | exactly | |
| 12:48 | cait | hm |
| 12:48 | we want people to do good testing..I am not sure it#s the right signal | |
| 12:48 | magnuse | or a gift card to kiva or a bear at the next kohacon or... |
| 12:48 | yeah, cait has a point | |
| 12:48 | chris_n | well, all QA, etc rules would still apply |
| 12:48 | cait | a bear? |
| 12:49 | * cait | wants a kiwi! |
| 12:49 | francharb | cait, could you help me to understand this? |
| 12:49 | magnuse | yeah, your choice between grizzly and polar bear! |
| 12:49 | chris_n | so whats the diff then if I hire, say, catalyst to handle the sign-off, etc? |
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| 12:49 | francharb | I did a transfer from library A to library B |
| 12:49 | chris_n | or by-water, or... <your-vendor-goes-here> |
| 12:49 | cait | not much of a diff, but I don#t think that has happened |
| 12:49 | jcamins | Did no one ever notice that koha-remove was broken? |
| 12:49 | francharb | then I logged in library B |
| 12:49 | chris_n | I think it has... |
| 12:49 | cait | I mean people paying for sign-offs |
| 12:50 | francharb | did a check in |
| 12:50 | and koha ask me to transfer again the item to library A | |
| 12:50 | so... | |
| 12:50 | magnuse | chris_n: i have been pondering that too - we sort of want "independent" signoffs i think, so its tricky |
| 12:50 | chris_n | jcamins: we're discussion fudge at the moment :-) |
| 12:50 | francharb | how do I accept the transfer from library B ? |
| 12:51 | magnuse | (thanks for breaking my keyboard ubuntu 12.04...) |
| 12:51 | chris_n | magnuse: I agree, and have argued that in the past |
| 12:51 | magnuse | jcamins: how is it broken? |
| 12:52 | cait | francharb: not sure really - not much experience dealing with multiple branches |
| 12:52 | jcamins | magnuse: it tries to use "--" as the instance name in certain situations. |
| 12:52 | cait | francharb: have you checked the transfer rules? |
| 12:52 | francharb | ok cait! |
| 12:52 | yep | |
| 12:52 | magnuse | jcamins: yeah, i was messing about with that the other day, there is a bug for it |
| 12:52 | jcamins | You're probably wondering "how did you never notice this before, given that you create and remove instances on a regular basis?" |
| 12:52 | cait | hm, and all system preferences related? I think some might be new |
| 12:52 | francharb | i can transfert everything, everywhere |
| 12:52 | jcamins | magnuse: oh, there is? |
| 12:52 | I'll put my patch up. | |
| 12:52 | cait | but it doesn#t accept the transfer? |
| 12:52 | jcamins | Unless you already patched it. |
| 12:52 | cait | wants to transfer it back? |
| 12:52 | magnuse | i think maybe i did |
| 12:53 | francharb | but I guess it's cause by the homeorholdingbranchretunr syspref |
| 12:53 | but i'm not dealing with a patron checkout | |
| 12:53 | just a transfert | |
| 12:53 | jcamins | Ah, bug 7924. |
| 12:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7924 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Fix handling of command line arguments in koha-remove |
| 12:53 | chris_n | magnuse, cait: ultimately it really comes down to the integrity of the one signing off or qa'ing or.... |
| 12:53 | cait | magnuse, oleonard: perhaps we need to set some goals? and have... gamification... badges? |
| 12:53 | francharb | so i don"t know if HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn is used in this case... |
| 12:54 | jcamins | Interestingly, the script works on my package development machine, but not my release maintenance machine. |
| 12:54 | chris_n | even a "most signed off" acknowledgement could result in poor sign-offs for the sake of competition |
| 12:54 | cait | I mean independent from the assignee |
| 12:54 | or we could have a module of the month | |
| 12:54 | and try to clean out bugs related to that | |
| 12:54 | magnuse | jcamins: yeah, thats the one i was thinking about |
| 12:54 | jcamins | magnuse: there's a bug in your fix. |
| 12:54 | Can I fix the fix while signing off? | |
| 12:54 | You're missing quotes around $args | |
| 12:54 | Oh, no, you have eval. | |
| 12:54 | That's okay, then. | |
| 12:54 | Sorry. | |
| 12:55 | There are two ways to fix it. :) | |
| 12:55 | magnuse | jcamins: i basically copied how its done in koha-create, i *think* |
| 12:56 | chris_n, cait: maybe make it "signoffs that are not rejected by qa/rm"? | |
| 12:56 | jcamins | magnuse: koha-create hedges its bets by using both options. |
| 12:56 | magnuse | chris_n, cait: but that makes tracking it that much harderm of course... |
| 12:56 | jcamins: ah | |
| 12:56 | jcamins | What are we talking about? |
| 12:57 | cait | not sure :) |
| 12:57 | magnuse | jcamins: how to encourage more signoffs |
| 12:57 | chris_n | cait, magnuse: I think that using the voting mechanism of bz and establishing some sort of priority based on that might be another way to encourage sign-offs and qa |
| 12:57 | jcamins | magnuse: ah. |
| 12:57 | chris_n | any time there is any sort of incentive involved, there will be the risk of poor work |
| 12:57 | magnuse | yup |
| 12:57 | cait | yeah :( |
| 12:57 | chris_n | so its a balancing act |
| 12:58 | cait | it always is |
| 12:58 | and we need more devs to sign-off | |
| 12:58 | chris_n | if we provide incentives, we have to also be sure to add checks |
| 12:58 | cait | the sandboxes are nice |
| 12:58 | but there is a lot you can't do with them | |
| 12:58 | chris_n | so magnuse ides of "not rejected" is one such check |
| 12:58 | idea, even :-) | |
| 12:58 | magnuse | :-) |
| 12:59 | the sandboxes could perhaps be promoted more | |
| 12:59 | and some way to separate patches/bugs that will work in the sandboxes would be nice too | |
| 12:59 | chris_n | perhaps any incentive could be limited to "bug is pushed to branch foo" |
| 13:00 | that would add the checks of QA and RM | |
| 13:00 | cait | yes |
| 13:00 | I suggested using a keyword | |
| 13:00 | you could mark what can be tested in a sandbox with it | |
| 13:00 | and we can create a list | |
| 13:00 | and promote the list | |
| 13:00 | magnuse | excellent idea! |
| 13:00 | chris_n | cait++ |
| 13:00 | cait | so it would be less frustrating |
| 13:00 | magnuse | is it possible to do that in bz? |
| 13:00 | cait | for someone who is limited to the sandboxe |
| 13:00 | s | |
| 13:00 | magnuse | yup! |
| 13:01 | chris_n | it still will probably require a carrot of some sort to encourage participation |
| 13:02 | cait | I liked the idea to add sign-offers to the release notes |
| 13:02 | * chris_n | is not advocating any policy which would degrade the quality of code --for the record |
| 13:02 | cait | testers |
| 13:02 | francharb | anybody knows if the way transfert works changed lately? |
| 13:02 | it doen's seem to work the same way than before... | |
| 13:02 | magnuse | well, speaking for myself, i dont really need much of a carot, its more a question of finding the time |
| 13:02 | chris_n | francharb: check the release notes? |
| 13:02 | * jcamins | doesn't look carrots. Parsnips, on the other hand... |
| 13:02 | francharb | chris_n, good point! |
| 13:02 | chris_n | magnuse: this is just the problem... time == $$$ :-) |
| 13:02 | cait | francharb: I think it does use the branchtransfer table for returns now - paul wrote something to fix that |
| 13:03 | magnuse | chris_n: yup! |
| 13:03 | cait | yeah I think what we can do is: |
| 13:03 | chris_n | even if the community had paid release positions, etc. the issue would exist |
| 13:03 | cait | make it as easy as possible - like creating a list for the sandboxes |
| 13:03 | francharb | setting up circulation is just a p... in the a... |
| 13:03 | magnuse | nengard++ for signing off on things while we talk ;-) |
| 13:03 | jcamins | Yeah, I'd love to have more time to sign off on things. |
| 13:03 | cait | francharb: correct. :( |
| 13:03 | nengard | was i signing off on things you were talking about? |
| 13:04 | cait | we were talking about the process :) |
| 13:04 | and how to make more people do it | |
| 13:04 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 13:04 | cait | hi gmcharlt :) |
| 13:04 | chris_n | heya gmcharlt |
| 13:04 | wahanui | gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology. |
| 13:04 | magnuse | kia ora gmcharlt! |
| 13:04 | chris_n | do you have an opinion on the subject under discussion, gmcharlt? |
| 13:05 | cait | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]cribekeywords.cgi |
| 13:06 | * jcamins | will sign off on bug 7924, though. |
| 13:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7924 major, P1 - high, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Fix handling of command line arguments in koha-remove |
| 13:06 | magnuse | yay! |
| 13:06 | jcamins++ | |
| 13:06 | chris_n | jcamins++ |
| 13:06 | jcamins | I'm in the process of testing it now. |
| 13:07 | chris_n | cait: we could probably setup a similar one for sandbox-able patches |
| 13:07 | magnuse | cait: huh, clicking on "Search" for "regression" gives 0 hits? |
| 13:07 | francharb | nengard, hi! do you know why i cant check in an item that i just transfered without getting koha asking me to transfert the item back? |
| 13:07 | nengard | um ?. |
| 13:08 | sounds like a bug to me ? but i'd have to test further | |
| 13:08 | francharb | I'm trying to change my set up but still, I always get this message... |
| 13:08 | cait | chris_n: that was the idea :) not sure how to set up keywords in bugzilla? |
| 13:08 | francharb | annoying, especially just before a training! :) |
| 13:08 | magnuse | for me, the stats that rangi does for signoffs are excellent incentives - i really wanna rank high in those lists. perhaps they could be published on http://koha-community.org/ - to give even more status? |
| 13:09 | cait | yeah, that's a nice idea too |
| 13:09 | ok so far we have: | |
| 13:09 | idea: use a keyword to mark sandbox testable patche | |
| 13:09 | s | |
| 13:09 | idea: put testers in release notes | |
| 13:09 | magnuse | +1 |
| 13:09 | cait | idea: put sign-off stats on kc-org |
| 13:10 | magnuse | should we add these to the agenda of the next irc meeting? |
| 13:10 | get the blessing of the community and ask for more ideas? | |
| 13:10 | chris_n | idea: offer a very disinterested "bounty" such as fudge |
| 13:10 | cait | I will be travelling I think so not sure I can attend :( |
| 13:10 | but yes | |
| 13:10 | jcamins | chris_n: postage gets pricey. |
| 13:11 | Heck, making that much fudge gets pricey. | |
| 13:11 | cait | idea: set up a fudge fund ;) |
| 13:11 | chris_n | jcamins: how bad do you want someone to look at your bug? |
| 13:11 | jcamins | chris_n: there are 117 bugs set to Needs Signoff. |
| 13:12 | magnuse | looks like "Keywords" are just a free text field? http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4867 |
| 13:12 | huginn | 04Bug 4867: major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, cnighswonger, RESOLVED FIXED, cannot clone subfields in marc editor, other clone/unclone weirdness |
| 13:12 | chris_n | with hourly rates avg $75-$100 range, I'd say fudge is cheap |
| 13:12 | magnuse: true | |
| 13:13 | I think their usefulness is limited | |
| 13:13 | but may do what cait suggests | |
| 13:13 | jcamins | chris_n: oh, are you proposing having the submitter sponsor the fudge? |
| 13:13 | cait | ah |
| 13:13 | magnuse | yeah, if we just agree on a keyword it should work |
| 13:13 | cait | another idea |
| 13:13 | jcamins | I thought by "disinterested" you meant the fudge should come from someone else. |
| 13:13 | cait | maybe we could do bug hunts |
| 13:13 | chris_n | jcamins: yes or the assignee, whichever is more appropriate |
| 13:13 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 13:13 | cait | like: try to shake out all bugs in module x |
| 13:13 | francharb | nengard, could you just tell if I always need to check the item in when it arrives at the other library (the library I'm transfering to) ? |
| 13:13 | chris_n | jcamins: no, just not something like a pound of gold |
| 13:13 | cait | and document tests on the wiki and look at the bugs for thatmodule |
| 13:14 | so we could clean up bugzilla and get some serious testing done + get some written test plans | |
| 13:14 | nengard | francharb yes, i thought you always had to check in items when they were transferred |
| 13:14 | chris_n | something which would require some motivation to do well on the part of the signer-offer |
| 13:14 | jcamins | chris_n: that makes sense, then. |
| 13:14 | nengard | but there is a sys pref that might be effecting that |
| 13:14 | cait | that we could try to automate later on (me looks at francharb) |
| 13:14 | magnuse | cait: sounds cool |
| 13:14 | nengard | francharb what do you have AutomaticItemReturn set to? |
| 13:14 | francharb | nengard, maybe "AutomaticItemReturn"... |
| 13:14 | jcamins | chris_n: I would even offer to do weekly fudge fests. |
| 13:14 | nengard | jinx :) |
| 13:14 | I have that set to Don't | |
| 13:15 | I always recommend those I train to leave it to Don't | |
| 13:15 | francharb | nengard, that what I was about to test! |
| 13:15 | thank you for the advice! | |
| 13:15 | I'm going to test it this way | |
| 13:16 | magnuse | cait: but will we find the time to actually do it? |
| 13:17 | cait | I think we need a way |
| 13:17 | * chris_n | thinks that getting bugs signed off/qa'd faster is a serious concern |
| 13:17 | cait | where a person can spend like 10 minutes on it |
| 13:17 | and still help moving it forward a bit | |
| 13:17 | so just write up a test you did on the wiki... wouldn't take that long | |
| 13:18 | or review a bug for that module and mark it reviewed/confirmed/retested | |
| 13:18 | so... if someone is in a situation to be stuck somewhere for like 20 minutes... he could check out the current bug hunt page | |
| 13:18 | * chris_n | can say after being rmaint for several years, that if things are going to be done for "free" then the one doing them just has to make it happen |
| 13:19 | chris_n | short of that, it won't happen |
| 13:19 | cait | you always have to make time |
| 13:19 | that's true | |
| 13:19 | and you have to want to make time... | |
| 13:19 | magnuse | yeah... |
| 13:19 | cait | I coudl try to set a page up for a bug hunt |
| 13:19 | experiment | |
| 13:19 | chris_n | its the "want to" part that is the problem, imho |
| 13:19 | cait | what would be a good one to start with? |
| 13:19 | i think a lot of people want... what I don' like is the | |
| 13:19 | 'i don't get paid for that' | |
| 13:20 | magnuse | cait++ for setting up a bug hunt experiment! |
| 13:20 | cait | because noone is going to sponsor to work on an old bug.. but you have to factor it in somehow |
| 13:20 | chris_n | I don't think that most consciously think "I'm not going to get paid, so I won't do that," but I think the practicality of life often forces that decision unconsciously |
| 13:20 | cait | yeah perhaps |
| 13:21 | yeah, think you are true, that was a bit hard | |
| 13:21 | chris_n | bug hunt sounds like a good start |
| 13:21 | cait | so any ideas about a module? |
| 13:21 | and you are right.. my english is broken again | |
| 13:21 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ibecomponents.cgi | |
| 13:22 | chris_n | ie. rmaint "paid" me nothing tangible and often "cost" me tangibly (ie. time away from family, etc) |
| 13:22 | jcamins | Certainly that's the case for me. I would like to see all bugs fixed, but I only have so much time, and given a choice between getting paid for it and not getting paid for it, the former almost always wins. |
| 13:22 | chris_n | no complaints, just a few facts to hopefully help |
| 13:22 | cait | and I apologize :) |
| 13:22 | chris_n | no need to :-) |
| 13:23 | cait | yeah, but I feel like I have to |
| 13:23 | chris_n | it was a conscious choice :-) |
| 13:23 | cait | it's not like I think htat about people here. it's only we have to find ways to get rid of the bugs... *sigh* |
| 13:23 | francharb | hehe : I did a transfer from Library A to B, I'm in library B checkin the item in and koha says : "This item needs to be transferred to library B. Transfer now?" |
| 13:23 | cait | francharb: was it in transfer before you checked it in? |
| 13:23 | I mean did the status show in transfer to.. ? | |
| 13:23 | francharb | cait, yes |
| 13:23 | cait | hm |
| 13:24 | francharb | in the end, |
| 13:24 | cait | we could start with patrons maybe |
| 13:24 | ? | |
| 13:24 | francharb | automaticreturn helps me to only get the message (do you want to transfert back the item) |
| 13:24 | cait | it#s not a too big module to test |
| 13:24 | and it has 163 bugs in bugzilla | |
| 13:24 | chris_n | cait, magnuse: gotta run, but I think there are some good ideas on the table; they should be put on the next meeting agenda |
| 13:25 | francharb | but i changed the homeorholdingbranchreturn and I get the message "do you want to transfer the item in your own library?" |
| 13:25 | :) | |
| 13:25 | I need to test further! | |
| 13:26 | magnuse | cait: just do it! ;-) |
| 13:26 | jcamins | The other problem with signing off on things... a lot of people hate failing things, so certain patches get passed over because "gee, it doesn't seem very nice to mark it failed QA." |
| 13:26 | magnuse | have fun chris_n! |
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| 13:26 | cait | jcamins: I got over that... but It hink you are right |
| 13:26 | magnuse | jcamins: knows the feeling... but tries to suppress it |
| 13:26 | cait | it's always feeling mean |
| 13:26 | I try to comensate by explaiinign well why | |
| 13:27 | jcamins | There is a large swath of bugs set to "needs signoff" that I'm not responding to because I haven't gotten over that feeling yet. |
| 13:27 | cait | perhaps they need some discussion then? |
| 13:28 | like you could ask... I don't like that about the bug... is that enough to fail it? | |
| 13:28 | but not easy too | |
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| 13:38 | magnuse | i have tried to add our thoughts to http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing,_13_June_2012 - please feel free to add and delete stuff! |
| 13:43 | oleonard | Thanks magnuse |
| 13:48 | magnuse | are the criteria for when a bug/patch can be tested with the sandboxes written down somewhere? |
| 13:48 | is it just that no command line action can be involved? | |
| 14:00 | jcamins | I think the script may be able to test package installation now, too. :) |
| 14:05 | magnuse | jcamins: which script? |
| 14:06 | jcamins | magnuse: my super duper release testing megascript. |
| 14:06 | cait | back |
| 14:07 | jcamins | Once it works I'll send it (and all the supporting scripts) to chris_n for inclusion in the release-tools repo. |
| 14:07 | cait | magnuse: not totally sure |
| 14:07 | I think it can do database updates? | |
| 14:08 | or can*t? | |
| 14:09 | magnuse | jcamins: supercool! |
| 14:09 | cait: from reading http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes i think it can do databaseupdates | |
| 14:10 | jcamins | Oh, yeah. I also need to test updatedatabase. |
| 14:10 | Bah, humbug. | |
| 14:10 | I still haven't figured out how to do the updatedatabase testing. | |
| 14:11 | magnuse | time for walkies - have fun #koha! |
| 14:15 | jcamins | Okay, didn't quite work. |
| 14:15 | druthb | oleonard++ |
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| 14:19 | druthb | So far, I've had very useful help from cait and oleonard and jcamins and fredericd and julian_m on this Arabic project. Thanks for your help, all! |
| 14:22 | * oleonard | is happy that rtl support is being improved, and happy for druthb that she is on a cool trip |
| 14:24 | francharb | back |
| 14:25 | * jcamins | feels the same. |
| 14:25 | runs his release test script again. | |
| 14:25 | cait | :) |
| 14:25 | jcamins | You know, when I started out, the entire script took about twenty minutes to run. |
| 14:25 | That is not the case anymore. | |
| 14:25 | Of course, I do do six complete installations, so perhaps that's no surprise. | |
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| 14:26 | druthb | It's after 5 here...I'm headed out for the evening. be well, everyone. |
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| 14:39 | * wizzyrea | wave |
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| 14:40 | oleonard | Hi wizzyrea I had trouble testing Bug 7998 |
| 14:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7998 critical, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, In Discussion , 3.8 UI cleanup, tweaks to new styles |
| 14:40 | wizzyrea | the 2nd part, I bet so |
| 14:41 | I think I messed it up | |
| 14:41 | the patch I mean | |
| 14:41 | not the changes | |
| 14:41 | I will probably have to redo it | |
| 14:41 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 24.193.130.86 pasted "Package test results" (24 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/387 |
| 14:41 | jcamins | ^^ super cool! |
| 14:41 | wizzyrea | wowie |
| 14:43 | cait | jcamins++ |
| 14:43 | :) | |
| 14:43 | amazing! | |
| 14:44 | wizzyrea | what were the problems you saw oleonard |
| 14:44 | oleonard | wizzyrea: I wanted to test again because of the input field border problems we talked about the other day. I didn't know if the second patch addressed that |
| 14:45 | But the second patch didn't apply | |
| 14:45 | jcamins | Now I'm running the entire test script. |
| 14:48 | wizzyrea | ah |
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| 14:50 | wizzyrea | well, let me attach a patch that should have everything in it - but I don't know if it will work |
| 14:51 | dumb of me to do it in 2 patches. | |
| 14:51 | oleonard: can i send it to you directly, and if it works then I'll attach it? | |
| 14:51 | oleonard | Sure |
| 14:52 | wizzyrea | cool, thx |
| 14:53 | ugh. perhaps not. | |
| 14:58 | ok, I think I got it right. I hope | |
| 14:58 | * cait | cheers wizzyrea and oleonard on :) |
| 14:58 | cait | I am sure you 2 will make it work :) |
| 14:58 | * wizzyrea | is unsure of the git fu in play here |
| 14:59 | jcamins | wizzyrea: you can use rebase -i and then change the second patch to "squash" instead of "pick." |
| 14:59 | wizzyrea | that's what I did. |
| 14:59 | jcamins | :) |
| 14:59 | wizzyrea | I applied both, resolved the conflicts, then rebased them and squashed them together |
| 15:00 | we'll see I guess | |
| 15:00 | jcamins | Installing UNIMARC. |
| 15:00 | From the package. | |
| 15:00 | cait | :) |
| 15:05 | jcamins | Installing MARC21 from the tarball. |
| 15:05 | oleonard | wizzyrea: Got the patch, but Gmail said it was a phishing attempt so I threw it away and hid under my desk. |
| 15:05 | wizzyrea | O.o |
| 15:05 | well it's attached to the bug anyway | |
| 15:05 | * wizzyrea | threw caution to the wind |
| 15:06 | wizzyrea | yea, it's probably mad because the server that the patch is coming from isn't gmail |
| 15:06 | but it's got a from address of gmail. | |
| 15:12 | jcamins | WOOHOO!!! |
| 15:13 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 24.193.130.86 pasted "It works!" (56 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/388 |
| 15:16 | jcamins | chris_n: I sent you patches for the release-tools repo. |
| 15:16 | If you have a chance to push them, that'd be awesome. | |
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| 15:25 | wizzyrea | jcamins++ |
| 15:25 | jcamins | wizzyrea: is that not profoundly awesome? |
| 15:28 | francharb | pffff |
| 15:29 | cait | did you figure it out? |
| 15:29 | francharb | I just discovered the floating collection feature... |
| 15:29 | and all I can say is "pfffffffffffff" | |
| 15:29 | jcamins | @later tell sekjal http://chopac.org/cgi-bin/tools/imdb2marc.pl |
| 15:29 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:29 | cait | is that a good or bad pfff? |
| 15:29 | francharb | Is HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn still in use? |
| 15:29 | cait | no idea |
| 15:30 | francharb | cait, the feature sounds interesting but the way circulation works, to me, it's a mess to understand, so adding more complexity is not what I need right now... ;) |
| 15:31 | wizzyrea, hi! | |
| 15:31 | cait | makes sense |
| 15:31 | francharb | can i ask you a question about the floating collection feature and the way it's related to homeorholdingbranchreturn syspref? |
| 15:32 | cait | I proably don't have an answer :( |
| 15:32 | ah wizzyrea - taht's a good idea :) | |
| 15:32 | francharb | ;) |
| 15:32 | * cait | goes back to cleaning the windows |
| 15:32 | francharb | or anyone who knows! |
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| 15:33 | francharb | Actually, what is the difference between the "default return policy" in the smart-rules.pl page and the HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn syspref? |
| 15:34 | wizzyrea | sekjal, if he's around, might know |
| 15:35 | francharb: I'm not sure I know | |
| 15:35 | it's a brand new feature | |
| 15:35 | francharb | wizzyrea, I will ask him later then. I was asking you because you said in buzilla "On upgrade, the value of HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn is used to populate the global default (which is |
| 15:35 | stored in default_circ_rules.returnbranch)." | |
| 15:36 | and I didn't know what you meant by "global default"... | |
| 15:36 | wizzyrea | ah, what I probably meant |
| 15:36 | is that if you have homeorholdingbranchreturn set a particular way | |
| 15:36 | that will be the default, and the smart rules override that | |
| 15:37 | if that's what you desire. | |
| 15:37 | is that making sense? | |
| 15:37 | for example | |
| 15:37 | francharb | sounds good to me |
| 15:37 | wizzyrea | ok then i'll not bother with an example lol. |
| 15:38 | (unless you want me to) | |
| 15:38 | (or feel it's necessary to your understanding) | |
| 15:39 | francharb | so, it's like the default default value is set up by what we have in this syspref BUT, if I use this new feature, It's override by what we have on the smart rules page... |
| 15:40 | hummm | |
| 15:42 | wizzyrea | right |
| 15:42 | for particular item types or collection codes or whatever the mechanism is. | |
| 15:43 | francharb | wizzyrea, I re-read your comment on bugzilla and you said "The use of HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn is removed in AddReturn to instead use this subroutine." |
| 15:43 | it makes sense | |
| 15:43 | wizzyrea | hehe, which bug, now I want to know what i said. |
| 15:43 | francharb | why we have this default value on the smart rule page |
| 15:44 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=7144#c17 | |
| 15:44 | huginn | 04Bug 7144: enhancement, P1 - high, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Floating collection |
| 15:44 | wizzyrea | i've slept since then. |
| 15:44 | francharb | the comment I was reading |
| 15:44 | ;) | |
| 15:44 | wizzyrea | OH, ha |
| 15:44 | all of that stuff | |
| 15:44 | was written by sekjal | |
| 15:44 | in his commit message | |
| 15:44 | that was just my sign off :) | |
| 15:44 | francharb | ahah |
| 15:44 | ok | |
| 15:45 | wizzyrea | my comments come after my sign off ;) |
| 15:46 | but I believe we are both reading this right - HoHBR sets the default value for everything | |
| 15:46 | francharb | I guess too |
| 15:46 | wizzyrea | then smart rules define branch return on per branch/itype limits. |
| 15:47 | francharb | oh god... It's complicated |
| 15:47 | :) | |
| 15:47 | wizzyrea | well |
| 15:47 | @quote get 123 | |
| 15:47 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 15:47 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 15:47 | francharb | hehe |
| 15:47 | wizzyrea | somebody wanted it :) |
| 15:47 | @quote add francharb: oh god… it's complicated | |
| 15:47 | huginn | wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 15:47 | wizzyrea | boo |
| 15:48 | chris_n | jcamins: were there 2 patches? |
| 15:48 | * chris_n | only received one |
| 15:48 | jcamins | chris_n: there were. |
| 15:48 | wizzyrea | @quote add francharb: oh god… it's complicated |
| 15:48 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #203 added. |
| 15:48 | jcamins | Which one did you receive? |
| 15:48 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 15:48 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #163: "<oleonard> One nice thing about the real Koha is you don't have to call someone to get it." (added by wizzyrea at 08:05 PM, November 10, 2011) |
| 15:48 | chris_n | 2/2 |
| 15:48 | jcamins | I'll try again with 1/2. |
| 15:48 | One moment. | |
| 15:49 | francharb | the thing is, I was trying to test basic transfers between two libraries and I had weird message... It might be related to this new feature... |
| 15:49 | jcamins | Okay, did that work? |
| 15:49 | * francharb | is adding something else to check out later on his todo list |
| 15:49 | jcamins | No it did not. |
| 15:50 | francharb | jcamins, are you talking to yourself? |
| 15:50 | ;) | |
| 15:50 | jcamins | chris_n: okay, I think it worked now. |
| 15:50 | wizzyrea | francharb: what message? |
| 15:50 | wahanui | i heard message was a warning not an error. |
| 15:50 | chris_n | got it |
| 15:51 | * wizzyrea | is keenly interested in wonkiness with transfers/holds in 3.8 |
| 15:52 | francharb | at the end, I was logged in my library to receive the transfer from another one and koha asked my if I wanted to transfer the item I checking in in my own library... |
| 15:53 | wizzyrea | so you had a transfer from library A to library B, and when checked in at Library B it prompted you to return it to library A instead of receiving it? |
| 15:53 | now this is not to fill a hold, just a transfer? | |
| 15:53 | francharb | (I was testing HOHBR set up with 'the library the item was checked out from" |
| 15:53 | wizzyrea, at the begining, I had what you describes | |
| 15:53 | then, I changed the HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn | |
| 15:54 | and koha asked me to tranfer to library B | |
| 15:54 | but I was already in library B | |
| 15:54 | I was logged in library B | |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | hm that is interesting. |
| 15:54 | francharb | :) |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | what do you see from a select * from branch transfers where item number = theitemnumber |
| 15:54 | branchtransfers* | |
| 15:55 | it might be instructive. | |
| 15:55 | francharb | wizzyrea, right now, I can't work more on this part, I have to finish up my presentations for my training tomorrow |
| 15:55 | but | |
| 15:56 | i keep this in mind | |
| 15:56 | wizzyrea | was the item already in transit when you flipped the syspref? |
| 15:56 | francharb | and when I will retest this (I will check the sql too) |
| 15:56 | wizzyrea | or was it a whole new test |
| 15:56 | well anyway | |
| 15:56 | those are things to keep in mind when testing | |
| 15:56 | francharb | wizzyrea, I'm not sure but I tried each time to do a whole new test |
| 15:57 | wizzyrea | k, that's probably best. :) |
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| 16:04 | chris_n | hi wizzyrea |
| 16:08 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 16:08 | wizzyrea | heya |
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| 16:12 | * wizzyrea | is an email answering machine today |
| 16:12 | chris_n | lol |
| 16:13 | wizzyrea | also, I actually *have* email to answer today, which is somewhat of a change in the normal thing. |
| 16:18 | jcamins | When should 3.6.x enter string freeze? |
| 16:18 | cait | hm perhaps give a week for translators ? |
| 16:18 | jcamins | cait: actually, the question is "how much warning do I have to give the rest of the community?" |
| 16:18 | chris_n | jcamins: I gave at least 1wk to translation |
| 16:19 | so now if you like :-) | |
| 16:19 | jcamins | If I'd been organized, I would've announced last week that 3.6.x was entering string freeze tomorrow, but I wasn't. |
| 16:20 | cait | why does the community need to be warned? |
| 16:20 | chris_n | organized? |
| 16:20 | jcamins | cait: I don't know, someone might care? |
| 16:21 | So what I'm hearing is "you can put 3.6.5 in string freeze Thursday if you want, sure, why not." | |
| 16:21 | chris_n | jcamins: since the bulk of the changes are cherry-picked from master, it really is not that much of an issue |
| 16:21 | * chris_n | had very few maint branch specific fixes during his tenure |
| 16:22 | chris_n | and very, very little direct concerns with those branches as such |
| 16:22 | fwiw | |
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| 16:23 | jcamins | Okay, 16:00UTC on May 10. |
| 16:24 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 24.193.130.86 pasted "String freeze announcement - is it coherent?" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/389 |
| 16:24 | jcamins | cait: chris_n: thoughts? |
| 16:25 | cait | reading :) |
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| 16:25 | chris_n | sounds fine |
| 16:25 | cait | yep |
| 16:25 | chris_n | just add some \n to it |
| 16:25 | :) | |
| 16:27 | jcamins | chris_n: yeah, my e-mail client wraps text. |
| 16:27 | * chris_n | breaks out the fresh strawberry cake |
| 16:28 | jcamins | I'll be releasing 3.6.5 on May 24, not 23. Oh well. |
| 16:29 | * oleonard | destroys his desk in rage |
| 16:29 | shakes his fist at jcamins | |
| 16:29 | jcamins | lol |
| 16:29 | Time to head into the city. | |
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| 16:42 | chris_n | jcamins_away: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ols.git;a=summary |
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| 16:53 | chris_n | @later tell jcamins you may want to include the translation list in the future on your release related notices; I forwarded this one on |
| 16:53 | huginn | chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:54 | Brooke | o/ |
| 16:54 | chris_n | \o |
| 16:54 | cait | h Brooke |
| 16:55 | Brooke | wie geht's |
| 16:55 | cait | gut :) |
| 16:58 | Brooke | staff intranet pictures++ |
| 17:07 | gaetan++ | |
| 17:09 | francharb | ok! I need a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:09 | 0/ Brooke | |
| 17:09 | ;) | |
| 17:10 | * Brooke | hugs francharb |
| 17:10 | * francharb_afk | hugs Brooke |
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| 17:10 | Brooke | hey sekjal |
| 17:10 | sekjal | hi, Brooke |
| 17:11 | francharb_afk | Brooke, I still have what I want to send you on my desk. The good thing is that I think of you. The bad thing is that you don't have it.... I mean yet! ;^) |
| 17:11 | it's banana bread time! | |
| 17:11 | see you all | |
| 17:11 | cait | :) |
| 17:15 | chris_n | banana bread is spectacular |
| 17:16 | Brooke | when it is good, it's good. |
| 17:16 | I had an excellent Banana Cupcake a couple weeks back | |
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| 17:43 | jcamins_away | chris_n: thanks. I shall be sure to including the translation list in the future. |
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| 18:28 | oleonard | Unauthorized bot? Interesting. |
| 18:44 | chris_n | good work chanserv |
| 18:44 | or whoever | |
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| 18:57 | * chris_n | collides with wizzyrea |
| 18:58 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 18:58 | uhoh | |
| 19:00 | chris_n | bz collision :-) |
| 19:02 | wizzyrea | hehe I hope not too disastrous |
| 19:02 | chris_n | no, bz is good at handling those sorts of things :) |
| 19:03 | cait | mid-air collision! |
| 19:03 | * chris_n | takes a moment to pick up all of the cookies he dropped |
| 19:03 | chris_n | before the little bugs get them |
| 19:03 | wizzyrea | I just attached an omnibus of the css changes |
| 19:03 | so if anybody wants to have a look pver it | |
| 19:03 | over* | |
| 19:03 | gaetan I hope is at home. | |
| 19:04 | oleonard | Hm... members/member-picupload.pl seems to be an orphan |
| 19:07 | cait | oh |
| 19:07 | poor thing | |
| 19:07 | * wizzyrea | rattles the tin cup "mistah can ya spare a dime?" |
| 19:07 | cait | oleonard: I have another suspect : subject.tt |
| 19:08 | we should do something for them | |
| 19:08 | jcamins_away | BTW, if anyone is interested, my release test scripts are now in the release-tools repo, thanks to chris_n. |
| 19:08 | cait | :) |
| 19:08 | jcamins_away | Forgot to mention that earlier. |
| 19:08 | cait | jcamins++ |
| 19:08 | oleonard | Poor subject.tt has been dragged aimlessly through so many upgrades |
| 19:09 | magnus_afk | jcamins++ chris_n++ |
| 19:09 | cait | what did it use to do? |
| 19:10 | I found it when doing the classes and then again when translating | |
| 19:10 | it's following me around | |
| 19:10 | I think it wants a home | |
| 19:10 | oleonard | It was a specialized subject heading browse thing |
| 19:10 | But pre-MARC | |
| 19:10 | cait | oh |
| 19:10 | ah | |
| 19:10 | sad | |
| 19:10 | probably not possible to breath new life into it then? | |
| 19:11 | jcamins_away: are you interested in adopting? | |
| 19:11 | * oleonard | covers the poor dear's little ears |
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| 19:11 | cait | lol |
| 19:11 | jcamins_away | wizzyrea: if you look at httprecorder.pl, that's the script needed to generate WWW::Mechanize scripts based on your browsing. |
| 19:11 | cait | jcamins_away: could we make you do some online tutorial sometime? :) |
| 19:11 | like guiding me trhough a simple one? | |
| 19:11 | jcamins_away | cait: If I'm able to rewrite the subject browser, I will do so. :) |
| 19:12 | cait | (not nw... but in 2 weeks after accounting?) |
| 19:12 | jcamins_away | cait: yes, that's on my to-do list. |
| 19:12 | Speaking of accounting, you should be working on accounting right now! | |
| 19:12 | cait | yes... sir |
| 19:12 | jcamins_away | oleonard: wizzyrea: order cait to go work on accounting. She's ignoring me. |
| 19:12 | McCloud | Hello, anyone have a minute for a Newbie type question? |
| 19:13 | wizzyrea | ms. cait - they tell me you have accounting to work on |
| 19:13 | we always have minutes for those :) | |
| 19:13 | cait | yes.... |
| 19:13 | but it's so boring | |
| 19:13 | wizzyrea | well |
| 19:13 | pretend you're covering something up for a zillionaire banker | |
| 19:13 | that will make it exciting. | |
| 19:13 | jcamins_away | Hehe. |
| 19:13 | cait | lol |
| 19:13 | I will try :) | |
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| 19:15 | * oleonard | is with cait. Accounting is boring! |
| 19:15 | McCloud | ok great, I'll be back when I have a bit more time, thanks guys and gals! |
| 19:15 | * chris_n | promptly drowns in bug 7284 |
| 19:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Authority matching algorithm improvements |
| 19:15 | jcamins_away | chris_n: it's already pushed to master, and it will be in 3.6.5. |
| 19:16 | oleonard | McCloud: If you had asked your question already we could already be answering it |
| 19:16 | jcamins_away | Great chatting. |
| 19:16 | * wizzyrea | substitutes "more time" for "more of a priority" |
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| 19:16 | wizzyrea | seriously that was odd. |
| 19:16 | * chris_n | wonders what all that was about |
| 19:17 | wizzyrea | maybe his office was on fire. |
| 19:17 | chris_n | lol |
| 19:17 | oleonard | It's like the time I went to the DMV and waiting in line for two hours so I could ask the clerk if I could come back later and get a driver's license. |
| 19:17 | cait | lol |
| 19:17 | perhaps a mystery shopper? | |
| 19:18 | or how do you call those who pretend to test service? | |
| 19:18 | chris_n | oleonard: did the clerk let you? |
| 19:18 | cait: right | |
| 19:18 | jcamins_away | cait: mystery shopper is the right term. |
| 19:18 | cait | yay :) |
| 19:18 | * cait | is now quite impressed with her own vocabulary :P |
| 19:18 | oleonard | It was someone's boss. We all failed the test because we were goofing off. |
| 19:18 | cait | i am on vacation :) |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | noooo! |
| 19:19 | jcamins_away | chris_n: why are you in bug 7284? |
| 19:19 | * wizzyrea | does not consider making cait do her homework goofing off |
| 19:19 | cait | oh right... the accounting thing |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | as if I could actually *make* cait do her homework |
| 19:20 | cait | you all do a good job |
| 19:20 | really | |
| 19:20 | I need someone pushing me to it | |
| 19:20 | and if you could continue that for the next 2 weeks... | |
| 19:20 | chris_n | jcamins_away: just followup from my MARC research :) |
| 19:20 | cait | I will kick... complain... be grumpy... and in the end there will be cookies for all of you |
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| 19:21 | rangi | Morning |
| 19:21 | jcamins_away | chris_n: ah, yes. Good stuff, that. |
| 19:21 | chris_n | glub.... glub.... ;-) |
| 19:22 | jcamins_away | Oh, come now. |
| 19:22 | Contrast that to Search.pm. | |
| 19:22 | oleonard | Hi rangi |
| 19:22 | chris_n | it gets easier now |
| 19:23 | jcamins_away | Morning, rangi. |
| 19:23 | cait | morning rangi |
| 19:23 | wizzyrea | mornin rangi |
| 19:24 | rangi | Happy birthday melia |
| 19:25 | jcamins_away | Happy birthday, Melia! |
| 19:25 | cait | happy birthday melia :) |
| 19:26 | magnus_afk | happy birthday melia_lunch! |
| 19:27 | JesseM | Just wondering if there is anyone working on adding a permission to not allow someone to override fines? |
| 19:27 | melia_lunch | thanks :) |
| 19:28 | jcamins_away | JesseM: turn off the various override sysprefs? |
| 19:28 | rangi | I ate ur chocolate from Pauline melia |
| 19:29 | JesseM | does that turn it off completely? |
| 19:29 | jcamins_away | It should, yes. |
| 19:29 | cait | there are different fine rleated permissions |
| 19:29 | jcamins_away | I think. |
| 19:29 | cait | but it's possible I think |
| 19:29 | JesseM | I was thinking of doing it as a per staff basis |
| 19:29 | so adding a permission | |
| 19:31 | jcamins_away | Ah. |
| 19:31 | I don't think anyone is working on that. | |
| 19:31 | JesseM | does that make sense? so restricting a staff member or a volunteer to override fines |
| 19:31 | thx Jared | |
| 19:31 | jcamins_away | Except you should always put things in a positive sense. |
| 19:32 | So it's a permission that allows staff members *to* override fines. | |
| 19:32 | rangi | Yeah off by default |
| 19:32 | cait | JesseM: I think tht makes lots of sense - we have one for renewals |
| 19:32 | jcamins_away | Automatically set it for everyone who has circ permissions, and there won't be any change in functionality, but then libraries can easily disallow individual members of staff from doing it |
| 19:32 | cait | JesseM: so having the others in a similar way would make sense to me |
| 19:33 | jcamins_away | rangi: no, on by default, since right now anyone can override. |
| 19:33 | rangi | No off for all new ppl |
| 19:33 | jcamins_away | rangi: oh, got it. |
| 19:33 | Yes. | |
| 19:33 | On for existing, off by default. | |
| 19:33 | rangi | Otherwise any new borrower can override |
| 19:33 | cait | I think it would be - since all permissions are off on default when you create a patron |
| 19:34 | rangi | Thats why positive not negative permission cait |
| 19:34 | cait | now I am confused :) |
| 19:34 | JesseM | :) |
| 19:34 | cait | but I am sure it will turn out allright |
| 19:35 | jcamins_away | cait: rangi was agreeing with me. :) |
| 19:35 | rangi | If negative off=on |
| 19:35 | cait | that's not surprising |
| 19:35 | JesseM | So a new patron needs to be granted permission to override a fine. Under the circulation flag. |
| 19:35 | I think | |
| 19:36 | cait | and he can do it, when he has all permissions for the module, but can't if he is missing the permission, right |
| 19:36 | ? | |
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| 19:59 | rangi | Brb |
| 20:05 | * rangi | stopped at a cafe for a flat white and pan au chocolat |
| 20:06 | rangi | Before meetings |
| 20:10 | kathryn joined #koha | |
| 20:11 | rangi | Hi Kathryn |
| 20:12 | kathryn | morning rangi : ) |
| 20:12 | * cait | waves |
| 20:12 | kathryn | and morning all ! |
| 20:12 | * kathryn | waves back |
| 20:14 | kathryn | cait do you like figs? |
| 20:14 | cait | yes :) |
| 20:15 | kathryn | : ) I was given about 8 pounds of nearly ripe figs recently, so some are looking beatiful in jars of sugar syrup, and other are kinda turned in into jam |
| 20:15 | cait | oh! yum! |
| 20:16 | kathryn | am quite excited about using them : ) |
| 20:16 | using = eating | |
| 20:16 | cait | heh |
| 20:16 | I bought some raspberries today | |
| 20:16 | first this year | |
| 20:17 | rangi | U dude's should set up a koha and catalogue recipes |
| 20:17 | cait | I bet marc has fields for that |
| 20:17 | rangi | Probably fixed length |
| 20:17 | And not metric | |
| 20:17 | kathryn | mnnnnnn |
| 20:18 | cait | we could always use 5xx |
| 20:19 | 245... for the title... | |
| 20:19 | rangi | We should use semantikoha |
| 20:19 | Then get nice links going | |
| 20:19 | kathryn | images essential, and reviews.....star ratings... |
| 20:19 | cait | for all the ingredients? |
| 20:19 | rangi | Yep |
| 20:19 | cait | you could do a combines search for the ingredients |
| 20:19 | jcamins_away | Hm. But how do you make it useful? |
| 20:20 | kathryn | honestly! |
| 20:20 | cait | heh |
| 20:20 | so who is going to host it? :) | |
| 20:20 | rangi | We can |
| 20:20 | kathryn | :) |
| 20:21 | cait | perhaps we can get some of jo's recipes too |
| 20:21 | jcamins_away | We still have a problem with ingedients and amounts. |
| 20:21 | cait | yum |
| 20:22 | kathryn | and wizzyrea |
| 20:22 | wahanui | I LIKE SCIENCE |
| 20:22 | cait | jcamins_away: we are koha developers... is there something we can't solve? |
| 20:22 | rangi | Oh yeah we can catalogue jos blog to start |
| 20:22 | jcamins_away | cait: no, but we have to figure out how to solve it before doing so. |
| 20:22 | * cait | can offer a fennel salad recipe |
| 20:22 | cait | oh |
| 20:22 | hm | |
| 20:22 | rangi | Wolfram alpha |
| 20:22 | cait | can't we have some mashup with... something else to just recalculate the cups into a sane measurement unit? |
| 20:22 | yep | |
| 20:22 | rangi | Use its API |
| 20:23 | cait | wolfram alpha does work nicely for things like that |
| 20:23 | rangi | To translate |
| 20:23 | jcamins_away | Oh, no, the problem I meant was how to store them. |
| 20:23 | kathryn | my recipes often don't have amounts...is there an api for handfuls and dollops? |
| 20:23 | jcamins_away | The solution to differing measuring systems is easy: we all use grams for measurements. |
| 20:23 | cait | kathryn: i have the same problem... i am more an experimental cook |
| 20:23 | and if something turns out yummy... I often have no idea how to make it happen again | |
| 20:23 | well not exactly | |
| 20:23 | wizzyrea | cat's fennel salad is a huge hit in our house |
| 20:24 | cait | :) |
| 20:24 | rangi | Cats love my cooking too |
| 20:24 | kathryn | rangi at least you didn't say dogs, cats are fussy : ) |
| 20:24 | cait | heh |
| 20:25 | rangi | My cat eats tinsel |
| 20:25 | Not that fussy | |
| 20:25 | kathryn | hehe |
| 20:25 | jcamins_away | I suppose one could use 505$t $g |
| 20:25 | cait | lol |
| 20:26 | jcamins_away | It'd require some refinements to the XSLTs. |
| 20:26 | And possibly indexing changes. | |
| 20:27 | rangi | With DOM |
| 20:27 | :) | |
| 20:27 | jcamins_away | Yes, definitely would require DOM. |
| 20:28 | cait | of course |
| 20:28 | can only work with dom | |
| 20:28 | jcamins_away | And local cover images. |
| 20:28 | cait | which brings me back to |
| 20:28 | we really need a unimarc test database | |
| 20:28 | jcamins_away | That'd be nice. |
| 20:28 | cait | I have asked for one so many times :( |
| 20:28 | I mean bilbiographic data and some authorities would work for me | |
| 20:29 | rangi | Yeah local cover images would work great |
| 20:29 | * kathryn | looks up DOM |
| 20:30 | rangi | Would be a good demo site |
| 20:30 | jcamins_away | Maybe I should just sign off on fredericd's UNIMARC patch on the strength that GRS-1 continues to work. |
| 20:30 | cait | document object model :) |
| 20:30 | jcamins_away | rangi: it would indeed. |
| 20:30 | cait | I think |
| 20:30 | jcamins_away | rangi: flip you for it? |
| 20:30 | wizzyrea | wait what are we talking about |
| 20:30 | kathryn | jcamins_away is talking about pancakes |
| 20:30 | jcamins_away | wizzyrea: this is #koha. What else? |
| 20:30 | rangi | Heh you can have it, ill just link to it :) |
| 20:30 | cait | wizzyrea: a koha installation to store our recipes :) |
| 20:30 | jcamins_away | Cookies! |
| 20:30 | wahanui | Cookies are delicious delicacies |
| 20:30 | wizzyrea | LOL |
| 20:30 | jcamins_away | rangi: fair enough. |
| 20:31 | * wizzyrea | suspects that kohl is not the tool for that |
| 20:31 | curses lion's autocorrect | |
| 20:31 | jcamins_away | wizzyrea: OH YEAH?!? |
| 20:31 | rangi | Wanna bet |
| 20:31 | wizzyrea | you know I'm cursing a lot at my mac recently. |
| 20:31 | kathryn | wizzyrea can do a proof of concept to prove us wrong? |
| 20:31 | cait | wizzyrea: get a real os? |
| 20:32 | :P | |
| 20:32 | * wizzyrea | has one on her laptop |
| 20:32 | rangi | It's your soul battling for freedom |
| 20:32 | cait | wizzyrea: you know that kohl is cabbage? |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | it is! |
| 20:32 | cait | was not that far off |
| 20:33 | * sekjal | <3's rotkohl |
| 20:33 | rangi | Sekjal my man |
| 20:33 | cait | I am not so much a kohl person |
| 20:33 | brokkoli... perhaps | |
| 20:33 | rotkohl, yes | |
| 20:33 | rangi | Script to get marc from asin |
| 20:33 | cait | but cauliflower is eew |
| 20:33 | rangi | How far did ya get? |
| 20:34 | * wizzyrea | teaches her mac how to properly spell koha. |
| 20:34 | wizzyrea | stupid mac. |
| 20:34 | sekjal | rangi: got it conceptualized, and as far as needing to write the XSLT from Amazon XML to MARCXML |
| 20:34 | rangi | Ahh |
| 20:34 | jcamins_away | rangi: http://chopac.org/cgi-bin/tools/az2marc.pl |
| 20:34 | Just remembered that. | |
| 20:34 | rangi | Thanks! |
| 20:35 | cait | wizzyrea: well.. had to teach my phone too... and it runs linux |
| 20:35 | jcamins_away | No idea if it's open source. |
| 20:35 | sekjal | jcamins: it's not |
| 20:35 | not sure what the usage restrictions are, if any | |
| 20:35 | jcamins_away | sekjal: eww. Well, so much for that idea. |
| 20:36 | S/he should release it as open source. | |
| 20:36 | sekjal | agreed |
| 20:36 | jcamins_away | Any idea why s/he won't? |
| 20:37 | sekjal | haven't spoken to her/him |
| 20:38 | rangi: I've got a proto-type amazon searching script, but it's currently hard-coded to my associate tag. | |
| 20:38 | depends on Net::Amazon... which I'm not that thrilled with | |
| 20:39 | jcamins_away | Okay, that's it for me. I'm heading home now. |
| 20:40 | cait | to make cookies? |
| 20:40 | and why did you people start to talk about this recipe koha? | |
| 20:40 | now I still have not started with accounting! | |
| 20:40 | jcamins_away | Just a reminder, if anyone wants to make a plea for including more patches more recent than May 14 in 3.6.5, you need to make a cogent argument to me in the next day and a half. |
| 20:41 | cait: no, probably to cherry-pick into 3.6.x. | |
| 20:41 | While you're doing your accounting homework. :P | |
| 20:41 | Bye. | |
| 20:41 | cait | mmh cherries. |
| 20:42 | kathryn | I'll take my autumn fruits this week cait : ) |
| 20:42 | hi melia | |
| 20:43 | cait | :) |
| 20:43 | melia | hey kathryn |
| 20:43 | sekjal | rangi: there is supposed to be a way to pass Amazon an XSLT style directly, letting their servers handle it, but it's giving me a Forbidden error whenever I try... that's my current sticking point |
| 20:44 | was also wondering if it'd be better to create a Z39.50 wrapper for Amazon, so it can be added as a source for Koha more naturally | |
| 20:45 | happy birthday, melia | |
| 20:47 | melia | thanks sekjal :) |
| 20:48 | rangi | Ok meeting time |
| 20:48 | wahanui | meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe |
| 20:48 | sekjal | best wishes to you all for the rest of your day/evening.... time to go get some groceries before Avengers tonight |
| 20:48 | cheers, #koha | |
| 20:48 | wizzyrea | say hi to iron man for me |
| 20:48 | rangi | And laptop cleared at customs |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | whoot! |
| 20:49 | * sekjal | hates liking Iron Man.... since he's about as anti-open source as a super hero gets |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | it's true |
| 20:49 | sekjal | but Robert Downey Jr. plays such a good jerk |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 20:49 | oh he's got a creamy center. | |
| 20:50 | or something. | |
| 20:50 | sekjal | something |
| 21:03 | maximep left #koha | |
| 21:12 | gaetan_B joined #koha | |
| 21:23 | maximep joined #koha | |
| 21:39 | jcamins | o/ |
| 21:41 | Does anyone know how to find out when a patch was committed, as opposed to when it was written? | |
| 21:43 | --pretty=fuller | |
| 21:47 | Okay... how do I cherry pick most of a branch? | |
| 21:48 | Oh. git cherry-pick A..B | |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea | wow, that's screwed up |
| 21:50 | I have a single patron who has 8 holds | |
| 21:50 | she is last priority on every single one | |
| 21:50 | her holds will not move up the list | |
| 21:51 | even though she should be | |
| 21:51 | any thoughts on why this might happen? | |
| 21:51 | jcamins | wizzyrea: no thoughts, but you've had this happen before. |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | the fix for that is not working here |
| 21:51 | that was a case of someone had pinned the hold to the bottom of the list | |
| 21:51 | not so this time | |
| 21:52 | this is every hold, and none of them are pinned | |
| 21:52 | every hold for this patron | |
| 21:52 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 21:52 | Weird. | |
| 21:52 | Well, at least I was right that you had a similar problem at some point. | |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 21:53 | yep | |
| 21:53 | I thought of that, actually. | |
| 21:53 | I thought that was the problem | |
| 21:53 | jcamins | Well. |
| 21:53 | You know what time it is? | |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | time to go home? |
| 21:53 | time for kittens? | |
| 21:53 | jcamins | No, I'm at home. |
| 21:53 | Time to test 3.6.5! | |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | time for booze? |
| 21:54 | so, time for booze AND THEN testing. | |
| 21:54 | jcamins | lol |
| 21:54 | wizzyrea | well i'm flummoxed. maybe the answer will come to me in a dream. |
| 21:55 | jcamins | Let's hope! |
| 21:56 | gmcharlt | time for kittens drinking booze? |
| 21:56 | wait ... | |
| 21:56 | jcamins | gmcharlt: we gave Myshkin some cat grass yesterday. |
| 21:56 | It's much the same effect. | |
| 21:56 | gmcharlt | close enough |
| 21:56 | jcamins | He is presently guarding it. |
| 21:59 | gmcharlt: Myshkin extends feline greetings to your owners, and suggests that they are overly generous with allowing you to pay attention to things not themselves. | |
| 22:00 | gmcharlt | jcamins: I go to the office so as to not have cats sitting in front of my monitor ;) |
| 22:00 | jcamins | Myshkin has dictated that leaving the apartment is not permitted. |
| 22:01 | Almost every day one of us breaks the rules. He doesn't understand it. | |
| 22:02 | cait | heh |
| 22:03 | jcamins | 3.6.5 passes all the unit tests. |
| 22:03 | cait | yay |
| 22:04 | gmcharlt | jcamins: yes, they never seem to make the connection between the servants leaving them and the kibble showing up later |
| 22:07 | maximep left #koha | |
| 22:27 | rangi | back |
| 22:29 | jcamins | The proposed 3.6.5 builds and installs cleanly. |
| 22:29 | cait | yay |
| 22:34 | * rangi | steals 3.6.5's thunder |
| 22:35 | rangi | mainly cos if i do 3.8.1 after it will run into kohacon .. i tried doing a release while at the access conference, its a bit insane :) |
| 22:36 | jcamins | Quite understandable. |
| 22:38 | kathryn | yeah rangi I can't believe you did that - I didn't understand at the time how mental that was |
| 22:38 | rangi | if i wasnt mental, we'd never have done koha in the first place, an ils in 3 months ... lucky hlt are mental too |
| 22:38 | cait | lol |
| 22:39 | kathryn | hehe |
| 22:39 | jcamins | Okay... why can't I get get_bugs to work? |
| 22:39 | cait | i would say because we squashed all of them |
| 22:39 | but .... i know better | |
| 22:40 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 22:42 | It has something to do with connecting to Bugzilla. | |
| 22:43 | rangi | jcamins: any reason why i couldnt add 690 to the Headings::Marc21 ? if i wanted the linker to link them too? |
| 22:43 | (to topic term in this case) | |
| 22:43 | jcamins | rangi: no reason. |
| 22:43 | rangi | sweet thanks |
| 22:43 | jcamins | If you look at UNIMARC, there's a proposal for linking it to the frameworks. |
| 22:44 | rangi | ahh |
| 22:44 | jcamins | In the spirit of kaizen, I decided to keep the existing functionality for MARC21. |
| 22:45 | Since there was no existing Headings::Unimarc, fredericd had more leeway. | |
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| 22:49 | jcamins | Oh, there's way. |
| 22:49 | The order of fields changed. | |
| 22:50 | *why | |
| 22:51 | ... and the field I want vanished entirely. | |
| 22:56 | Fixed it. | |
| 23:11 | cait left #koha | |
| 23:11 | jcamins | What else needs to go in the release notes? |
| 23:11 | I guess we need a list of new sysprefs. | |
| 23:13 | So I guess I have to parse the INSERT bit to figure out the order of fields. | |
| 23:16 | * jcamins | decides to be lazy and uses SQL::Statement::Structure. |
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| 23:35 | rangi | :) |
| 23:41 | jcamins | Okay, I was really expecting this to work a little better. |
| 23:41 | It won't parse my completely valid SQL. | |
| 23:42 | Okay, plan B. | |
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| 23:43 | jcamins | Wacky regular expression time! |
| 23:44 | libsysguy | w00t i managed to kick my other computer out lol |
| 23:45 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 23:45 | libsysguy | i was afraid I'd be libsysguy1 all night lol |
| 23:49 | jcamins | Ugh. This doesn't work: |
| 23:50 | $variable =~ s/'"`//g; | |
| 23:50 | Escaping the quotation marks doesn't help. | |
| 23:51 | libsysguy | hmm |
| 23:52 | jcamins | I switched it to tr. |
| 23:52 | libsysguy | is that a strange backtick? |
| 23:52 | jcamins | Because that's faster. |
| 23:52 | Didn't help. | |
| 23:52 | You think? | |
| 23:52 | I guess it could be. | |
| 23:52 | libsysguy | i just didn't know if it was just me |
| 23:52 | rangi | try \ it |
| 23:53 | jcamins | No luck. |
| 23:53 | libsysguy | what is the expression you are trying to match? |
| 23:53 | rangi | well, you want those 3 chars? |
| 23:53 | in that precise order? | |
| 23:54 | or do you want any one of them? | |
| 23:54 | jcamins | Any of them. |
| 23:54 | Right. | |
| 23:54 | [] | |
| 23:54 | rangi | ahh yes and | |
| 23:54 | * jcamins | sighs |
| 23:54 | libsysguy | yeah | |
| 23:54 | jcamins | Yeah, that works perfectly. |
| 23:54 | libsysguy | sweet! |
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