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| 00:26 | renren | good day guys.. im trying to install the RFDUMP on my Koha Virtual appliance, is that possible to intigrate my RFID on koha? |
| 00:26 | using RFdump? | |
| 00:27 | mtj | pass, rfdump is new to me... |
| 00:28 | looks very useful for debugging rfid , tho :) | |
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| 00:29 | mtj | if you have success, please report back |
| 01:01 | * chris_n | sits around and watches the net split... |
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| 01:38 | Brooke | o/ |
| 01:38 | oleonard | Hi Brooke |
| 01:38 | Brooke | how's it going? |
| 01:39 | * oleonard | is documenting interface patterns |
| 01:39 | Brooke | ooooh |
| 01:39 | documentation++ | |
| 01:39 | oleonard++ | |
| 01:41 | oleonard | What are you up to Brooke? |
| 01:41 | Brooke | not much |
| 01:43 | mtj | how many hours till teh meeting? |
| 01:43 | Brooke | 17m yes? |
| 01:43 | oleonard | 17 minutes? I was thinking 16 hours! |
| 01:45 | Brooke | http://www.timeanddate.com/wor[…]g&iso=20120502T02 |
| 01:45 | yes? | |
| 01:45 | oleonard | Oh, WolframAlpha failed me, assumed 2:00 == 2PM |
| 01:45 | I guess it's dumb luck I happened to be online at this odd (for me) hour | |
| 01:46 | mtj | ta brooke :) |
| 01:46 | oleonard | dumb_luck++ |
| 01:46 | I guess we can assume Europe is sleeping soundly. | |
| 01:47 | Brooke | pretty much guessing so |
| 01:47 | oleonard | ...and rangi is traveling I think |
| 01:47 | Brooke | Magnus issued an apology |
| 01:48 | oleonard | Where? I don't see a wiki page for this meeting |
| 01:49 | Brooke | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]eting,_2_May_2012 |
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| 01:55 | oleonard | Hi druthb |
| 01:56 | Brooke | oi paul. |
| 01:56 | Irma | hi everyone :-) |
| 01:56 | paulnz | hi #koha |
| 01:56 | Brooke | hey earma :D |
| 01:56 | druthb | o/ |
| 01:56 | Irma | ;-) |
| 01:57 | ;-) druthb | |
| 01:57 | druthb | Hi, Irma! *hugs* |
| 02:00 | Brooke | #startmeeting |
| 02:00 | wahanui | if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
| 02:00 | huginn | Meeting started Wed May 2 02:00:07 2012 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 02:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | |
| 02:00 | Brooke | #topic Introductions |
| 02:00 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 02:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions | |
| 02:00 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
| 02:00 | druthb | #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions. |
| 02:00 | Brooke | Haere Mai and welcome |
| 02:00 | please introduce yourself with #info if you want to be counted | |
| 02:00 | Irma | #info Irma Birchall CALYX Australia |
| 02:01 | jwagner | #info Jane Wagner LibLime/PTFS |
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| 02:02 | * druthb | watches wahanui carefully. |
| 02:03 | Brooke | okie dokie, I'm thinking this is prolly gonna be a content light meeting, but we'll see |
| 02:03 | mtj | #info Mason James, kOHAaLOHA, NZ |
| 02:03 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements | |
| 02:04 | Brooke | does anyone have any announcements? |
| 02:04 | #topic Update on Roadmap to 3.4 | |
| 02:04 | Topic for #koha is now Update on Roadmap to 3.4 | |
| 02:05 | Brooke | not sure we really need a bullet point for this anymore.. |
| 02:05 | Irma | possibly a few ... but I think it will be nice to keep them for the next Koha newsletter ... |
| 02:05 | Brooke | okie dokie |
| 02:05 | I think Daniel's doing a nice job with that | |
| 02:06 | oleonard | Anyone recall if an end-of-life deadline has been announced for 3.4? |
| 02:06 | Brooke | it seemed to be moving that way |
| 02:06 | and then summat happened | |
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| 02:06 | Irma | yes DAniel is doing a fine job ++ |
| 02:07 | Brooke | #help End of Life for 3.4 or no? |
| 02:08 | BobB | #info BobB |
| 02:08 | Brooke | hopefully someone will mark that up by the next meeting |
| 02:08 | BobB | Sorry I'm late |
| 02:08 | Topic for #koha is now Update on Roadmap to 3.6 | |
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| 02:08 | Brooke | Jared is asleep, but left this on the wiki |
| 02:08 | mtj | i think 3.4 automatically becomes EOL after the release of 3.8 |
| 02:08 | Brooke | Jared is still learning his way around the release maintainer tools, but hopes to release 3.6.5 by May 23; he will announce a string freeze as soon as he has something with strings that require freezing |
| 02:09 | eythian | #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT |
| 02:09 | Brooke | I'm betting that if you #info or #help, you might be able to draw his attention, else AT later |
| 02:10 | Topic for #koha is now Update on Roadmap to 3.8 | |
| 02:10 | Brooke | Rangi? |
| 02:10 | wahanui | I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! |
| 02:11 | oleonard | Last I heard rangi was traveling today |
| 02:11 | Brooke | oh duh |
| 02:11 | ta | |
| 02:11 | Robin do you happen to know anything? | |
| 02:11 | eythian | yeah, rangi won't be around today |
| 02:12 | I'm not sure of any details of his 3.8 plans | |
| 02:12 | Brooke | rog |
| 02:12 | Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.10 | |
| 02:12 | Brooke | (bet Paul's asleep) |
| 02:13 | oleonard | 4AM? I hope so. |
| 02:14 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon2012 | |
| 02:14 | druthb | no slef, either. |
| 02:14 | Brooke | the big one for this one is that we need a lot more dough from sponsorship |
| 02:14 | #help find sponsors | |
| 02:15 | there's a reminder on the wiki that there are meetings on Wednesdays at 18.00 | |
| 02:15 | the good news is | |
| 02:15 | oleonard | Brooke, is there a run-down of expenses which still need to be covered? I'm just curious. |
| 02:15 | Brooke | we had a boatload of papers submitted |
| 02:16 | he's got a weird skelebudget posted owen | |
| 02:16 | lemme dig up the link | |
| 02:16 | * druthb | codes up a bigger boat. |
| 02:17 | Irma | #info sponsors can be individuals or companies or libraries ... |
| 02:18 | Brooke | it's on the vol page |
| 02:18 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]aCon12_Volunteers | |
| 02:18 | Irma | #info Could/should a "donate" button be added on the KohaCon12 page? |
| 02:18 | #info http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/ | |
| 02:19 | Brooke | already is |
| 02:19 | http://koha-community.org/koha[…]soring-kohacon12/ | |
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| 02:19 | Brooke | :) |
| 02:19 | Irma | I can't see a donate button on the KohaCon12 page |
| 02:20 | eythian | It's at the bottom |
| 02:20 | Irma | ahh thanks Brooke I am using Chrome |
| 02:21 | Brooke | that's why they pay me the big bucks ;) |
| 02:21 | Irma | and some ... |
| 02:21 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon13 | |
| 02:21 | * druthb | offers to double Brooke's wage for chairing the meetings. |
| 02:22 | Brooke | so, I think it's a good idea to fish or cut bait on the KohaCon2013 bids |
| 02:22 | there was a flurry of interest on the listserv | |
| 02:22 | but only a fraction of the folks that said they were interested posted to the wiki | |
| 02:23 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon2013 | |
| 02:23 | if you want to bid please edit it ^ | |
| 02:23 | the way it's gone recently is that that page gets an edit | |
| 02:23 | at some point, we say alright already | |
| 02:23 | Nicole's been kind enough to gen a proper ballot | |
| 02:23 | that then goes out | |
| 02:23 | folks vote | |
| 02:24 | and hooray | |
| 02:24 | anyone have problems with that procedure? | |
| 02:24 | Irma | #info We need a http://koha-community.org/kohacon13/ page soon to ... |
| 02:26 | Brooke | okie dokie |
| 02:26 | Irma | procedure is good Brooke |
| 02:26 | Brooke | I'll prolly send (another) reminder to the list to edit the wiki |
| 02:26 | does closing that portion in a fortnight sound reasonable, or is that too quick? | |
| 02:26 | Irma | too quick |
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| 02:26 | Brooke | [just recalling that folks wanted a location by KohaCon, sooo] |
| 02:27 | what's your timeframe then, Irma? | |
| 02:27 | Irma | #info is it not important to remember that there should not be 2 Koha conferences in the same financial year. So KohaCon13 would need to be after July 2013 |
| 02:28 | close 2 months after KohaCon12 ... that's my current suggestion | |
| 02:29 | Brooke | wow. That's long. |
| 02:29 | eythian | well, '11 and '12 were closer together |
| 02:30 | BobB | I guess the issue is whether we want to announce the KohaCon13 venue at KohaCon12. If so, you have to close it next meeting. |
| 02:30 | Irma | actually my logic is wrong as KohaCon12 will be over in the FY 2012... |
| 02:31 | BobB | There are a couple of folks who can't get budget for KohaCon twice in the same financial year. That's happened with Mumbai and Edinburgh. |
| 02:31 | Just something to bear in mind. | |
| 02:31 | Brooke | right |
| 02:32 | BobB | For the US the financial year is Jan to Dec I thinK? So prolly not an issue for folks there. |
| 02:32 | Brooke | no |
| 02:32 | most Libraries are Juneish | |
| 02:32 | jwagner | It depends on the institution |
| 02:32 | BobB | oh, ok |
| 02:32 | jwagner | Jan-Dec, Oct-Oct, June-June, etc. |
| 02:32 | oleonard | Yeah, fiscal years differ from place to place |
| 02:32 | * oleonard | 's library's fiscal year doesn't even match his state's |
| 02:32 | Irma | thanks jwagner. CAn you elaborate re the type of libraries? |
| 02:32 | Brooke | I think it was the six month thing that really tanked it |
| 02:33 | jwagner | Not really -- it depends on the individual institution, except federal government sites which start FY October 1 |
| 02:33 | Irma | Financial year in Australia and New Zealand is 1 July to 30 June |
| 02:33 | kathryn | hi sorry didn't intro earlier - Kathryn from Catalyst : ) |
| 02:33 | Brooke | so |
| 02:34 | kathryn | in nz it can also be march - apr |
| 02:34 | Irma | hi kathryn :) |
| 02:34 | kathryn | june-july is for public sector mostly |
| 02:34 | Brooke | I think we need a proper idea as to when to close the wiki and forward it to Nicole if she's willing to do up the ballot |
| 02:34 | Irma | well here we go , I better stick to local knowledge! |
| 02:35 | jwagner | I don't see any particular reason to have a final vote before KohaCon12. Let's give more time for bids to develop |
| 02:36 | Gbengaadara | Intro here too. Olugbenga from Projektlink |
| 02:36 | oleonard | Let's put it to the list. There aren't enough people here to make a good decision |
| 02:36 | druthb | oleonard++ |
| 02:36 | Irma | hi Gbengaadara thanks for your bid for KohaCon13 |
| 02:37 | Brooke | the vote is going to the list regardless of what we decide |
| 02:37 | and I'm going to send a reminder anyway | |
| 02:37 | but we'll toss the timeframe in there as well | |
| 02:37 | Topic for #koha is now Old Business | |
| 02:37 | Brooke | there were no actions from the previous meeting that I spotted in the minutes |
| 02:38 | but speak now or forever hold your peace if there's other stuff | |
| 02:38 | Irma | The success (I also mean the content) of KohaCon12 >> generates hopefully more bids for KohaCon13 |
| 02:41 | Topic for #koha is now Miscellaneous | |
| 02:41 | Brooke | anything out there at all? |
| 02:41 | BobB | Lunch? |
| 02:41 | wahanui | i think Lunch is a good idea :) |
| 02:42 | druthb | :) |
| 02:42 | * jwagner | would prefer bedtime to lunch.... |
| 02:43 | Irma | back to work? |
| 02:43 | Brooke | not just yet :P |
| 02:43 | Irma | ok then ... |
| 02:43 | Topic for #koha is now Time of Next Meeting | |
| 02:43 | Brooke | looking at you 6 June |
| 02:44 | should be 18.00 regardless | |
| 02:44 | Irma | during KOhaCon12 ... |
| 02:44 | Brooke | d'oh |
| 02:44 | screw that | |
| 02:44 | 13thish then? | |
| 02:44 | * kathryn | thought that was the idea |
| 02:45 | kathryn | (but won't be at Kohacon so not relevant) |
| 02:45 | Irma | it could be ok but has to be during a break time Scotland time |
| 02:45 | Brooke | nah not gonna fidget with that |
| 02:45 | jwagner | Might work during hackfest, but that's a regular program day -- awkward for a mtg |
| 02:45 | oleonard | Won't work |
| 02:45 | Brooke | 13th won't work too oleonard? |
| 02:46 | oleonard | I mean scheduling a meeting around Kohacon meetings wont work |
| 02:46 | Brooke | conflicts with the 13th? |
| 02:46 | * oleonard | doesn't know the hackfest schedule |
| 02:46 | Brooke | hackfest is til 11th |
| 02:47 | Irma | depending of the time of day...I could bring some hot Belgian waffles along ... |
| 02:47 | so 13th ok for CALYX | |
| 02:48 | Brooke | folks will prolly be a little jetlaggy, but prime conference memories should still be fresh :) |
| 02:48 | so | |
| 02:48 | +1 for 13th June 18.00 UTC | |
| 02:49 | oleonard | +1 |
| 02:49 | Gbengaadara | +1 |
| 02:49 | Irma | +1 |
| 02:49 | druthb | +1 |
| 02:50 | mtj | +1 |
| 02:51 | Brooke | right that carries then |
| 02:51 | #endmeeting | |
| 02:51 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.8.0, 3.6.4 and 3.4.8 Now Available | Koha Community Website - http://www.koha-community.org/ | General IRC meeting, 2 May 2012 at 2:00 UTC+0 | |
| 02:51 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed May 2 02:51:16 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 02:51 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-05-02-02.00.html | |
| 02:51 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]2-05-02-02.00.txt | |
| 02:51 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]02-02.00.log.html | |
| 02:51 | Brooke | now you can go back to work :P |
| 02:51 | druthb | heh |
| 02:51 | * Brooke | rather likes bossin' the boss lady about |
| 02:52 | Gbengaadara | Or to sleep |
| 02:52 | Brooke | sleep is an addiction that can be cured! |
| 02:52 | Irma | thanks Brooke. Cioa all. |
| 02:52 | kathryn | thanks Brooke, that was my first Koha meeting and first Meetbot experience! |
| 02:52 | Brooke | ciao bella |
| 02:52 | thank you kathryn | |
| 02:53 | kathryn | : ) |
| 02:53 | Gbengaadara | 4 am here in Nigeria |
| 02:53 | kathryn | oi Gbengaadara, good night! |
| 02:53 | Gbengaadara | Thank you |
| 02:53 | oleonard | Good night #koha |
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| 04:20 | cait | hi #koha |
| 05:04 | kathryn | goodnight cait : ) |
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| 06:10 | Oak | Ahoy me hearties! |
| 06:10 | Bonjour cait :) | |
| 06:10 | cait | hi Oak :) |
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| 06:44 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:47 | julian_m | hello |
| 06:48 | cait | hi julian_m |
| 06:48 | and bye all :) | |
| 06:48 | bbl | |
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| 06:49 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 06:52 | Oak | Bonjour alex_a1, julian_m, hdl1, reiveune |
| 06:52 | reiveune | Hi Oak :) |
| 06:52 | hdl1 | hi Oak |
| 06:52 | Oak | :) |
| 06:53 | julian_m | hello Oak |
| 06:53 | alex_a1 | bonjour Oak |
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| 07:08 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:08 | Oak | Ahoy kf |
| 07:13 | sophie_m | hello #koha |
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| 07:29 | kf | hi again #koha |
| 07:32 | Oak | Ahoy again kf |
| 07:43 | kf | silent today :) |
| 07:54 | Oak | :) |
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| 09:50 | clrh | hello |
| 09:54 | kf | hi clrh |
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| 11:41 | samuel | hi everybody |
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| 11:43 | kf | hi samuel |
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| 12:09 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 12:11 | kf | good mornign gmcharlt :) |
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| 12:24 | gmcharlt | hi kf |
| 12:27 | oleonard | Hi everyone |
| 12:28 | You all missed a sparsely attended meeting last night :P | |
| 12:28 | (and I can't blame many of you) | |
| 12:30 | * gmcharlt | was recovering from (what was to me) a six-day conference |
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| 12:39 | kf | hi oleonard |
| 12:39 | gmcharlt: how was the eg conf? :) | |
| 12:40 | gmcharlt | kf: very good and productive, but exhausintg |
| 12:44 | kf | :) |
| 12:45 | any chance to get to see you at the kohaconf soon? :) | |
| 12:45 | gmcharlt | next year, hopefully |
| 12:45 | kf | ooh ok |
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| 12:55 | samuel | me too, i hope next year, i've just moved. |
| 12:55 | question , i don't understand this error when i use zebra "zebraidx(1575) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number) " | |
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| 12:58 | kf | samuel: hm some missing 999 field in one of your records I think |
| 13:04 | oleonard | Motorola wins Xbox and Windows 7 ban in Germany http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17924190 |
| 13:05 | Hand over your Xbox kf! | |
| 13:05 | kf | I don't have one! |
| 13:05 | oleonard | Good citizen :) |
| 13:06 | kf | heh |
| 13:07 | oh wow | |
| 13:08 | internet explorer and windows 7 | |
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| 13:08 | oleonard | It sounds like a pretty big deal if MS has to follow through |
| 13:08 | ...although it never seems like companies end up having to follow through in these cases... | |
| 13:09 | kf | yeah |
| 13:09 | they are forbidden to enforce it (motorola) | |
| 13:09 | but still interesting | |
| 13:14 | ... and ie would not be a big loss | |
| 13:18 | samuel: still around? | |
| 13:20 | oleonard | Well, there you have it. |
| 13:20 | kf | hmpf :) |
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| 13:21 | kf | wb samuel |
| 13:21 | I was going to ask you about vietnamese :) | |
| 13:21 | is it enough to create the po files freshly and upload them? | |
| 13:21 | if it is I could do so tonight | |
| 13:22 | or is there something that needs to be doneon the pootle server? | |
| 13:22 | samuel | excuse, i've been disconnected. |
| 13:22 | wahanui | samuel: Your packets were eaten by the terminator |
| 13:23 | samuel | kf: you can create po files and upload files. |
| 13:26 | kf | ok |
| 13:26 | I will make a note and try :) | |
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| 13:49 | * chris_n | chains himself back to bug 7977 :-P |
| 13:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7977 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Add a "Quote-of-the-day" feature to the OPAC homepage |
| 13:50 | * oleonard | offers to crack the whip periodically if that would help |
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| 13:51 | chris_n | well, tossing an occasional chocolate treat in a general southward direction will go a long way ;-) |
| 13:53 | kf | items? |
| 13:53 | wahanui | items are all missing. |
| 13:53 | kf | holding data? |
| 13:53 | holdings? | |
| 13:53 | holding fields? | |
| 13:54 | chris_n: reading your message to the list - I think you and oleonard might be the only exceptions of the rule. I think an empty field would be more inviting then having a module maintainer who is only a name and not doing anything | |
| 13:54 | holdings data? | |
| 13:54 | oh wahanui. | |
| 13:54 | wahanui | i am probably a bot |
| 13:55 | chris_n | kf: that might be so, but I sense a wider-spread issue here rooted in the failure to utilize fields in general |
| 13:55 | kf | chris_n: hmm |
| 13:55 | chris_n | which, if true, means that no amount of "fixing up" will solve the problem :-( |
| 13:55 | kf | not sure I understand |
| 13:55 | chris_n: the problem is people not working on bugs | |
| 13:55 | and inactive module maintainers | |
| 13:55 | I think | |
| 13:56 | I only hope that it will be more clear that noone is working on a bug, if there is no assignee | |
| 13:56 | oleonard | What do you mean by " the failure to utilize fields in general" chris_n ? |
| 13:56 | kf | and I doubt we will find active maintainers for each module |
| 13:56 | chris_n | there is no want of complaints about various fields either not being set or their current settings being incorrect |
| 13:56 | kf | chris_n: sorry, I don't understand :( |
| 13:57 | chris_n | many bugs are worked on by other than the default assignee; if the dev cannot take time to click the "take" link, what is there to make us thing they will take time to add their name to the assignee field? |
| 13:57 | so now you have bugs being worked on with blank assignee fields | |
| 13:58 | kf | I don't think that's the problem actuallcy |
| 13:58 | the problem is wrong expectations - someone file a bug and there is a name in default assignee | |
| 13:58 | and that shoudl not be | |
| 13:58 | * chris_n | must have misunderstood the problem or is focused on a problem noone else is :-( |
| 13:58 | kf | as long as the default assignees have not any meaning |
| 13:58 | and I think with exception of you and oleonard, that is not the case | |
| 13:58 | they don't do anything about the bugs | |
| 13:59 | * chris_n | does not see the problem |
| 13:59 | kf | I think it's confusing |
| 13:59 | to explain to people they can kick out the default assignee | |
| 13:59 | because you have to explain it | |
| 13:59 | chris_n | I think it is confusing for someone to be working on a bug and the assignee field is either wrong or blank |
| 13:59 | kf | it would be very clear that noone is working on it with an empty field |
| 14:00 | and then people should take the bug when they start working on it actively | |
| 14:00 | that is something that's easy to explain | |
| 14:00 | I think we might be misunderstanding each other :) | |
| 14:00 | chris_n | I think you will still have the problem of devs not "taking" the bug, yet working on it |
| 14:00 | oleonard | I think you're talking about two different problems. |
| 14:00 | chris_n | ^^^ |
| 14:00 | kf | I think keeping you and oleonard as default assignees is fine - because you do soemthing. I want to empty all other modules where people don't step up |
| 14:00 | * chris_n | agrees |
| 14:01 | chris_n | with oleonard's last comment |
| 14:01 | kf | me too |
| 14:01 | oleonard | it makes more sense to leave the default assignee blank for all the modules gmcharlt is the default for, for instance, because he can't possibly handle all of them by himself. |
| 14:02 | kf | agreed :) |
| 14:02 | oleonard | Better to have the default assignee mean something. Then the blank will mean something too |
| 14:02 | kf | yep |
| 14:02 | chris_n | I wonder if we have any examples of bugs not being worked on because someone thought the default assignee was working on it or otherwise? |
| 14:02 | kf | exactly |
| 14:02 | I think for people new to koha | |
| 14:02 | it is confusing like it is now | |
| 14:02 | because they expect default assignees to be involved with the bug somehow | |
| 14:03 | and we have tried to find new default assignees, but Ithink it's not working out | |
| 14:03 | oleonard | I think it also conveys a bad message about default assignees, like "Why haven't they worked on any of these bugs?" |
| 14:03 | kf | so better have empty and people can take bugs - that will be easy to understand |
| 14:03 | chris_n | I also think the greater demonstrable confusion exists because various fields are not updated in a timely fashion |
| 14:03 | kf | and for you and own, you can delete yourselves if you don't want to work on one |
| 14:03 | chris_n: do you have an example? | |
| 14:04 | oleonard | That's also a problem chris_n, but the change marcel proposed won't help or harm that situtation |
| 14:04 | It's just different. | |
| 14:04 | kf | chris_n: and only trying to understand - thought this would be easier in chat than writing another mail :) |
| 14:04 | chris_n | kf: the irc logs provide plenty of examples of questions over what the status of bugs is.. ie closed, open, etc |
| 14:04 | a perusal of bugzilla shows that there are many bugs worked on, but marked "new" | |
| 14:05 | as well as many worked on by dev A, but assigned to dev B | |
| 14:05 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 14:05 | oleonard | chris_n: And lots of those guilty of doing that are experienced devs who should know better. All we can do is keep bugging people about it I think. |
| 14:05 | wizzyrea | I think it's a human problem. |
| 14:06 | chris_n | oleonard: agreed, but I am concerned that we are skirting the real issue of the need to utilize the other fields |
| 14:06 | humans? | |
| 14:06 | wahanui | KILL ALL HUMANS |
| 14:06 | oleonard | The task will often fall to the bug-wranglers to notice those things and speak up about it |
| 14:06 | chris_n: By framing it as "the real issue" you set up a dichotomy which doesn't exist between these two issues | |
| 14:06 | chris_n | kf: probably clarifying what sort of confusion is being addressed by marcel would be good |
| 14:06 | oleonard | Let's address both of them. |
| 14:08 | chris_n | I fear that that is easier said than done |
| 14:08 | kf | the confusion that a default assignee will do something about the bug |
| 14:08 | which is not the case in general | |
| 14:08 | it's just a name on the bug | |
| 14:08 | but it has lost meaning | |
| 14:09 | as I said - I know they are exceptions | |
| 14:09 | wizzyrea | well i'm default assignee for website stuff |
| 14:09 | and I look at those | |
| 14:09 | kf | and I think bug wranglers could help fixing mistakes like you pointed out - bugs with patches still new etc. |
| 14:09 | wizzyrea | much like owen looks at his opac bugs |
| 14:09 | chris_n | kf: an alternative might be to poll the default assignees once more to see if they desire to continue as such |
| 14:09 | kf | wizzyrea: yep I know - but we have modules where it's different |
| 14:09 | wizzyrea | oh I know |
| 14:09 | chris_n | if they don't, blank the field if there are no volunteers |
| 14:10 | kf | wizzyrea: never said we should change the workflow for those who are actively maintaining something |
| 14:10 | :) | |
| 14:10 | oleonard | chris_n: That's what marcel just did :) |
| 14:10 | wizzyrea | i'm only saying "I'll keep my default assignment" ;) |
| 14:10 | chris_n | oleonard: but that's not what his email said.. unless I misread |
| 14:10 | kf | chris_n: I think that's what marcel did with his mail - asking for consent to do something - those who want to keep things can speak up now |
| 14:10 | chris_n | :-) |
| 14:11 | kf | I think we don't really disagree :) |
| 14:11 | wizzyrea | @wunder lawrence ks |
| 14:11 | huginn | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 23.5°C (9:11 AM CDT on May 02, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007 hPa (Rising). |
| 14:11 | kf | I don't want to take your modules!! .) |
| 14:11 | wizzyrea | hot already |
| 14:11 | Oak | ...or forever hold your peace... |
| 14:12 | chris_n | kf: your right :) |
| 14:14 | * chris_n | looks warily at oleonard's whip and gets back to work ;-) |
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| 14:16 | * oleonard | has never seen the "take" link in Bugzilla before today |
| 14:27 | jcamins | o/ |
| 14:28 | oleonard | Hi jcamins, you just missed the Bugzilla wars. There was no conclusive winner. |
| 14:29 | * kf | offers cookies to all participants |
| 14:29 | jcamins | oleonard: boy, Luke Skywalker sure grew up fast. |
| 14:31 | kf: what kind of cookies? | |
| 14:32 | kf | hm chocolate? |
| 14:32 | wahanui | reiveune ate them all |
| 14:32 | kf | I feel bad for starting bugzilla wars |
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| 14:32 | vfernandes | hi guys |
| 14:32 | * chris_n | passes around goat milk to go with kf's cookies |
| 14:32 | jcamins | Ooh. |
| 14:33 | chris_n | kf: not a war... a discussion :-) |
| 14:33 | * jcamins | 's wife perks up her ears at the mention of goat milk. |
| 14:33 | * kf | waves at jcamins' wife |
| 14:34 | chris_n | jcamins: production is ramping up... soon we'll be at ~2gal/day |
| 14:34 | vfernandes | one question: how to put two koha running on the same zebra server? i've one koha running using zebra... i've installed another koha in the same machine but i don't know how to have two databases in zebra |
| 14:34 | jcamins | chris_n: cool! |
| 14:34 | chris_n | vfernandes: I think the answer is use the packages |
| 14:34 | but I'm not very familiar with them, sorry | |
| 14:35 | jcamins | vfernandes: right now the preferred solution is to use two zebrasrv processes. |
| 14:35 | vfernandes | humm so i need to have two dameons in the start? |
| 14:35 | one for each installation? | |
| 14:35 | jcamins | That's the easiest way. |
| 14:36 | vfernandes: the best way to do that is to use packages. | |
| 14:36 | vfernandes | packages? |
| 14:36 | wahanui | i heard packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 14:36 | jcamins | And remember that not only is 3.2 no longer maintained, 3.4 is no longer maintained. |
| 14:36 | Upgrading to 3.6 would probably be a good idea. | |
| 14:37 | vfernandes | at this point upgrading to 3.6 is out of question... :/ |
| 14:38 | jcamins | vfernandes: that's unfortunate. You're going to have a lot of trouble getting any support from the community for 3.2. |
| 14:40 | vfernandes | yes i know jcamins... but I've plenty off knowlegdes about 3.2.X. I've working with it around 1 year... |
| 14:40 | jcamins | I don't even remember if there were packages for 3.2. |
| 14:40 | vfernandes: good luck to you. :) | |
| 14:41 | vfernandes | thanks :) |
| 14:42 | the company that i've working of it's responsible to maintain 3 koha: http://catalogo.biblioteca.iscte-iul.pt http://koha.ulusiada.pt http://62.28.141.38:88 | |
| 14:44 | kf | vfernandes: there have been some nasty security bugs in 3.2.2 - hope you got the patches for those |
| 14:44 | hdl1 | basically, vfernandes, zebra can handle multiple database, but koha only uses one database per zebra instance. |
| 14:45 | kf | vfernandes: we have been on that verson for a longer time, I am so happy all our installations are on 3.6.x now |
| 14:45 | hdl1 | you have one zebra instance for authorities, another for biblios |
| 14:45 | jcamins | hdl1: no, that's not correct. Each zebrasrv right now has two databases: one for authorities, one for biblios. |
| 14:46 | hdl1 | jcamins: if you look at configuration files, |
| 14:46 | there is one | |
| 14:46 | zebra-authorities.cfg | |
| 14:46 | one zebra-biblios.cfg | |
| 14:46 | data are stored in two different palces. | |
| 14:47 | jcamins | hdl1: yes, but it's only one process, as I understand it. |
| 14:47 | hdl1 | it is not because zebrasrv is handling multiple zebra servers |
| 14:47 | that you donot have multiple "inner instance" | |
| 14:48 | jcamins | vfernandes: anyway, the long and the short of it is, you'll need to start a zebrasrv process for each Koha installation. |
| 14:49 | kf++ | |
| 14:49 | wizzyrea++ | |
| 14:50 | kf | wizzyrea++! |
| 14:50 | vfernandes | roger that :) |
| 14:52 | let me say that Koha in portugal is on "boost"... on 20th April was the first national Koha workshop | |
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| 14:52 | vfernandes | around 90 people attended to the workshop |
| 14:52 | jcamins | Very cool! |
| 14:53 | wizzyrea | kf++ |
| 14:53 | kf | vfernandes: you should write something for the newsletter :) |
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| 14:55 | vfernandes | kf it's a good idea... maybe i'll write something. Who of you will be present at KohaCon2012? |
| 14:57 | kf | I will be :) |
| 14:58 | vfernandes | nice... I don't know, if the company pay i'll be for sure :) |
| 15:08 | wizzyrea | hm but 2426 - still an issue? |
| 15:08 | and, what do we do about it? | |
| 15:08 | jcamins | Bug 2426 |
| 15:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2426 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Management Permissions Deprecated |
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| 15:23 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:31 | kf | wizzyrea++ |
| 15:31 | wizzyrea++ | |
| 15:31 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 15:31 | jcamins | wizzyrea++ |
| 15:31 | wizzyrea | ok guys this is getting silly. |
| 15:32 | jcamins | @karma wizzyrea |
| 15:32 | huginn | jcamins: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 332 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 332. |
| 15:32 | jcamins | 33*2*? |
| 15:32 | wizzyrea++ | |
| 15:32 | @karma wizzyrea | |
| 15:32 | huginn | jcamins: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 333 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 333. |
| 15:32 | jcamins | Better. |
| 15:32 | :) | |
| 15:32 | oleonard | Why the wizzyrea karma party? Did I miss something? |
| 15:33 | wizzyrea | well I know a lot of stuff about holds :P |
| 15:34 | jcamins | oleonard: I have no idea, but I thought she probably needed karma, since kf was giving her some. :) |
| 15:34 | kf | oleonard: she is answreing my silly holds questions with patience |
| 15:34 | it's enlightening :) | |
| 15:34 | jcamins: thx for trusting my judgement :) | |
| 15:34 | jcamins | :) |
| 15:36 | oleonard | Ah, just as I suspected: It's all happening in the exclusive shadow-channel to which I am not invited! |
| 15:36 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 15:36 | naw | |
| 15:37 | * kf | sends oleonard |
| 15:37 | kf | cookies |
| 15:37 | oleonard: it's only because I am asking embarassing newbie questions :) | |
| 15:37 | * talljoy | looks up from desk.....cookie? |
| 15:38 | * kf | sends some to talljoy too |
| 15:38 | talljoy | nom nom |
| 15:38 | oleonard | I would punch a panda in the face for some cookies right now |
| 15:38 | talljoy | heh |
| 15:38 | jcamins | oleonard: chocolate ginger oatmeal chocolate chip cookies? |
| 15:38 | kf | lol |
| 15:38 | wizzyrea | nom. |
| 15:40 | * jcamins | is very proud of his chocolate ginger oatmeal chocolate chip cookies. |
| 15:41 | kf | hmmm |
| 15:41 | * kf | tastes powdered ginger |
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| 15:47 | chris_n | more cookies? |
| 15:47 | * chris_n | hates multi-dimensional arrays |
| 15:48 | oleonard | Then I hope you don't have to work with Drupal chris_n |
| 15:48 | jcamins | Speaking of multi-dimensional arrays, bug 7249 is Really Cool. |
| 15:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7249 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Report webservices |
| 15:50 | wizzyrea | does bug 2435 still happen? |
| 15:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2435 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , corrupt MARC record can abort import batch commit |
| 15:51 | wizzyrea | also, I think we need an open bug status that is like "FYI - we're not fixing this but here's your workaround" |
| 15:51 | or a closed bug status for same | |
| 15:52 | and a saved public search for those. | |
| 15:52 | nm, that doesn't happen anymore | |
| 15:53 | * chris_n | loves ctl-z |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | oleonard: bug 2537, still a problem? |
| 15:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2537 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , inconsistent behavior when entering tag via add button or hitting return |
| 15:54 | oleonard | Yes |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | are we going to try to fix it? |
| 15:54 | or can it be fixed? | |
| 15:55 | oleonard | I don't know if it can be fixed. |
| 15:55 | I would prefer to leave it NEW | |
| 15:56 | wizzyrea | k |
| 15:57 | oleonard | Oh, speaking of tags: Bug 7980 looks like it would be fun to sign off on eh? |
| 15:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7980 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Group search results tag input with other actions |
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| 16:07 | cait | back :) |
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| 16:13 | jcamins | Have I commented recently on how I think we should be making use of popularity in Koha? |
| 16:14 | oleonard | You mean like only the cool kids get their patches signed off? |
| 16:14 | jcamins | oleonard: actually, I had in mind having the sort working. |
| 16:14 | cait | those 3 comments together confuse me |
| 16:15 | * cait | goes the logs searhing for context |
| 16:15 | jcamins | cait: there wasn't any context for my pronouncement. |
| 16:15 | cait | oh |
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| 16:17 | * oleonard | recalls jcamins mentioning something about it before |
| 16:17 | francharb | hello all |
| 16:17 | oleonard | Hi francharb |
| 16:17 | jcamins | I feel like that would be really useful for public libraries. |
| 16:18 | cait | jcamins: I think either make it work or remove it from the sort options |
| 16:18 | because as it is now... clearly not good | |
| 16:18 | jcamins | cait: I favor making it work. |
| 16:19 | cait | yep :) |
| 16:19 | jcamins | Unfortunately, it's a sufficiently complicated bug that I won't be fixing it without someone saying "hey, we'd like to pay for this!" |
| 16:21 | cait | hmpf |
| 16:21 | hehe | |
| 16:21 | so perhaps I shoudl just threaten to remove it | |
| 16:21 | brb bringing bike into garage | |
| 16:22 | jcamins | cait: makes sense. |
| 16:24 | Hey, cool! | |
| 16:24 | The Hungarian National Library's authority file is RDF. | |
| 16:26 | @later tell magnuse The Hungarian National Library apparently provides a SPARQL endpoint for their authority file. I'm still not 100% sure what that means in practical terms, but I thought you would want to know. | |
| 16:26 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
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| 16:35 | cait | back :) |
| 16:45 | jcamins | Are we sure that popularity ever worked? |
| 16:45 | cait | not totally |
| 16:45 | but someone put it there... | |
| 16:46 | but... probably before qa times | |
| 16:46 | jcamins | cait: gmcharlt created the column in 2007. |
| 16:46 | cait | ok, then it probably used to work :) |
| 16:47 | jcamins | The index wasn't even added to UNIMARC until 2011. |
| 16:47 | gmcharlt | at the time ... |
| 16:47 | jcamins | I know it didn't work a year ago. |
| 16:47 | cait | hi gmcharlt :) |
| 16:47 | jcamins | gmcharlt: ah, you can answer this mystery: was popularity ever actually implemented, or was that something that was planned but never actually done. |
| 16:47 | *? | |
| 16:48 | Also, hi gmcharlt. | |
| 16:48 | gmcharlt | jcamins: I *think* it got to the point of half-working, but no further |
| 16:48 | and howdy! :) | |
| 16:51 | jcamins | Looks like it was a feature in 2.2. |
| 16:53 | cait | 3.2 or 2.2? |
| 16:53 | wahanui | 3 |
| 16:53 | jcamins | 2.2. |
| 16:53 | cait | oh |
| 16:54 | chris_n | heya gmcharlt |
| 16:54 | wahanui | hmmm... gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology. |
| 16:54 | chris_n | truth |
| 16:54 | gmcharlt | hi chris_n |
| 17:00 | * magnuse | waves |
| 17:00 | cait | hi magnuse :) |
| 17:01 | magnuse | guten abend cait |
| 17:21 | jcamins | magnuse: does the Norwegian authority file have useful linked data features? |
| 17:21 | * jcamins | doesn't know. |
| 17:22 | magnuse | jcamins: hardly |
| 17:22 | i dont think we have a national authority file as such | |
| 17:22 | cait | magnuse: perhaps check dnb |
| 17:22 | jcamins | magnuse: oh, that's too bad. :( |
| 17:22 | magnuse | the closest is whatever is in bibsys |
| 17:23 | cait | https://wiki.d-nb.de/display/L[…]1481.prod-worker6 |
| 17:23 | magnuse | but there is this project called "Rådata nå!" |
| 17:23 | lemme find the link | |
| 17:23 | http://radatana.wordpress.com/ | |
| 17:23 | "The project’s key result will be a linked data representation of the BIBSYS authority file. " | |
| 17:24 | i think they focussed on names and people, not on e.g. subjects | |
| 17:24 | jcamins | Understandable. |
| 17:24 | wahanui | i think Understandable. is why i was running it against a local copy |
| 17:24 | magnuse | im using it in semantikoha |
| 17:25 | jcamins | wahanui: forget understandable. |
| 17:25 | wahanui | jcamins, I didn't have anything matching understandable |
| 17:25 | jcamins | wahanui: forget understandable\. |
| 17:25 | wahanui | jcamins, I didn't have anything matching understandable\ |
| 17:25 | jcamins | understandable. is <reply> |
| 17:25 | understandable. | |
| 17:25 | wahanui | understandable. is why i was running it against a local copy |
| 17:26 | jcamins | Oh well. |
| 17:26 | I tried. | |
| 17:26 | magnuse | jcamins++ |
| 17:27 | so jcamins, will you be bidding on "the scream"? ;-) | |
| 17:27 | jcamins | magnuse: I will not, no. |
| 17:27 | cait | oh really? such a missed opportunity |
| 17:27 | magnuse | oh, too bad ;-) |
| 17:28 | jcamins | I would be happy to provide a catalog to its purchaser, however. |
| 17:30 | magnuse | hehe |
| 17:31 | it will be interesting to see where it ends up | |
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| 17:32 | jcamins | It will be interesting to see how much it goes for. |
| 17:33 | magnuse | true |
| 17:34 | luckily, we still have 3 other versions left over here :-) | |
| 17:34 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 17:36 | magnuse | and one day we might even build a proper museum for them... |
| 17:37 | jcamins | magnuse: a museum that will need a good research library attached. |
| 17:37 | With a catalog. | |
| 17:37 | magnuse | yay |
| 17:38 | hm, they already have one: http://asp.bibits.no/munch/ | |
| 17:38 | jcamins | magnuse: I can't say I'm hugely impressed. |
| 17:39 | magnuse | hehe |
| 17:39 | jcamins | In fact... |
| 17:39 | Wow. | |
| 17:39 | magnuse | wait ill show you somthing that might make you cry... |
| 17:39 | jcamins | Is it just me or is that staggeringly non-functional. |
| 17:39 | *? | |
| 17:40 | cait | omg |
| 17:40 | magnuse | well, its certainly not koha |
| 17:40 | jcamins | magnuse: no, it certainly is not. |
| 17:40 | cait | not totally bad tho |
| 17:41 | magnuse | gah, i cant find an example - bear with... |
| 17:42 | jcamins | cait: not totally bad, perhaps, but if you find a relevant subject, it takes a bunch of steps to try to find results related to it. |
| 17:43 | cait | hm |
| 17:43 | i searched munch | |
| 17:43 | jcamins | So did I. |
| 17:43 | magnuse | here is another norwegian system, within an iframe: http://www.nasjonalmuseet.no/n[…]ts_base_tidemann/ |
| 17:43 | cait | and not totally bad means - I have seen worse |
| 17:43 | jcamins | Then I decided I was interested in Frida Kahlo. |
| 17:43 | So I found the relevant subject. | |
| 17:44 | And then I had to start a new search to find books about her. | |
| 17:44 | cait | hm |
| 17:44 | jcamins | magnuse: you're right. That's horrifying. |
| 17:44 | cait | in my record there is nothing I could click |
| 17:44 | jcamins | cait: yes, that's my complaint. |
| 17:44 | magnuse | jcamins: look at the source. count the number of <form>s. weep... |
| 17:44 | jcamins | There are no links anyway. |
| 17:44 | cait | true |
| 17:44 | card catalog | |
| 17:45 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 17:45 | magnuse: wow. | |
| 17:48 | cait | hm? |
| 17:49 | are we talking result list? or detail page? | |
| 17:49 | magnuse | cait: check thwe source for this: http://bibliotekservice.ittekn[…]/nmk/tow.dll/EXEC |
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| 17:49 | jcamins | Also, anything served on Windows is automatically horrifying. |
| 17:49 | magnuse | kia ora Irma |
| 17:49 | jcamins: yup | |
| 17:49 | cait | the css might be enough to make me go blind |
| 17:50 | or the js | |
| 17:50 | jcamins | cait: two additional horrifying things. |
| 17:51 | * cait | shakes her head in disbelief |
| 17:53 | jcamins | Hey, does anyone have any idea why there's a checkbox to control whether the MARC tag documentation links show up or not? |
| 17:53 | That seems... kind of useless. | |
| 17:53 | cait | it's controlled by a cookie |
| 17:54 | so if you don't want them | |
| 17:54 | magnuse | because some people might think its just clutter? |
| 17:54 | cait | you don't have to see them |
| 17:54 | magnuse | hm, my keyboard is wonky after ubuntu 12.04... |
| 17:54 | jcamins | Oh, there's a cookie? |
| 17:54 | That's okay, then. | |
| 17:54 | cait | and I want my mysql gui tools back *sigh* |
| 17:54 | jcamins | It just occurred to me to wonder what possible reason there could be for having a toggle that requires clicking every time. |
| 17:56 | But I guess it doesn't, and I just never noticed it before. | |
| 17:58 | JesseM left #koha | |
| 17:59 | slef | ai ai ai ai ai... it's one of *those* days |
| 17:59 | cait | hi slef |
| 18:00 | want me to chair? | |
| 18:00 | slef | hi cait |
| 18:00 | cait: yes, please! :) And let's go for a quick meeting this time, to compensate for the last one! | |
| 18:01 | jcamins | quick_meeting++ |
| 18:01 | cait | we can try |
| 18:01 | #startmeeting | |
| 18:01 | wahanui | if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
| 18:01 | huginn | Meeting started Wed May 2 18:01:25 2012 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 18:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | |
| 18:01 | cait | #topic Introductions |
| 18:01 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 18:01 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions | |
| 18:01 | cait | please introduce youself as the bot did with #info |
| 18:01 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 18:01 | slef | #info MJ Ray, software.coop |
| 18:01 | jcamins | #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services |
| 18:02 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany |
| 18:02 | slef | (this is a meeting about KohaCon12... in case anyone is watching who doesn't know) |
| 18:03 | cait | #topic Roadmap to KohaCon |
| 18:03 | Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to KohaCon | |
| 18:03 | cait | quick update from slef? |
| 18:04 | I think Brooke said at the meeting yesterday that we need more sponsoring? | |
| 18:04 | slef | ok well apologies from me for not having the usual report compiled, or the schedule done yet. |
| 18:04 | There was some stuff in the agenda at | |
| 18:04 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]eting,_2_May_2012 | |
| 18:04 | # KohaCon12 Schedule basically full but needs sorting | |
| 18:04 | # Over 40 registrations, so about 30% of capacity. Expecting a flurry of fairly local ones when schedule announced. | |
| 18:04 | # About £1100 short on sponsorship? Please beg the firms not yet listed on http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsors/ to help make the conference better. Otherwise, it will go ahead but it might be slightly bare-bones. | |
| 18:05 | cait | perhaps a mail to the list? |
| 18:05 | slef | the comments from that meeting are at |
| 18:05 | #link http://meetings.koha-community[…].00.log.html#l-46 | |
| 18:05 | cait: to find more sponsors? | |
| 18:05 | cait | yes |
| 18:05 | that more sponsorships are needed | |
| 18:05 | not a lot of people at the meeting yesterday | |
| 18:06 | slef | that would be good... my next priority is to email potential sponsors directly, based on a list S made |
| 18:06 | so if someone else could repeat/boost the call for sponsors, that would be a big help | |
| 18:06 | otherwise I'll get to it after that | |
| 18:06 | there's also a suggestion to put a donate button on the front page | |
| 18:07 | do people like that? | |
| 18:07 | jcamins | +1 |
| 18:07 | thd | +1 |
| 18:07 | cait | +1 |
| 18:08 | if it doesn't take too much time | |
| 18:08 | so basically we need more money, something else? | |
| 18:08 | slef | I think it's fairly simple to do. Who here can edit the website? |
| 18:08 | cait | I think only around 30 days now! :) |
| 18:08 | jcamins | Even just adding a link that says "Sponsor KohaCon12" on the right might be a good idea. |
| 18:09 | cait | I think wizzyrea |
| 18:09 | not sure how to edit the right navigaton | |
| 18:10 | slef | I can do that. |
| 18:10 | cait | I can try to do it myself |
| 18:10 | ah | |
| 18:10 | slef | I think it's Links |
| 18:10 | cait | let me try and I will find you if I don't manage? |
| 18:10 | slef | ok, thanks |
| 18:10 | thd | Nothing should stop anyone from donating something during or after the event, however, they could not then have the same sponsorship credit as others. |
| 18:10 | cait | #action cait: put a donate link on the front page |
| 18:10 | I think after might be a bit late for this kohacon | |
| 18:10 | slef | thd: yes, deadlines will soon impinge. |
| 18:11 | cait | can only be used for next |
| 18:11 | slef | cait: depends how late we pay the suppliers, but that's a bit nasty. |
| 18:11 | cait | and you would have to know that the money will get in |
| 18:11 | I think we should really sort it out before the event :) | |
| 18:11 | slef | yeah |
| 18:11 | cait | ok |
| 18:11 | slef, will you send out a reminder to the list then? | |
| 18:11 | slef | ok |
| 18:12 | #action slef to send reminder to the list about sponsorship | |
| 18:12 | cait | #action slef: sends a reminder about sponsorship to the mailing list |
| 18:12 | slef | dup! |
| 18:12 | cait | :) |
| 18:12 | you type faster | |
| 18:12 | ok | |
| 18:12 | next topic? | |
| 18:12 | #topic Conference Schedule | |
| 18:12 | Topic for #koha is now Conference Schedule | |
| 18:13 | slef | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohaCon12_Schedule |
| 18:13 | took me three goes to paste that :-/ | |
| 18:13 | no action since last week, due to illness and other unexpected events, so next action is to summarise last meeting's reviews, plus the two late paper reviews that Brooke has done | |
| 18:14 | then contact the GDC presenters to encourage merges | |
| 18:14 | and schedule it | |
| 18:14 | cait | ok |
| 18:14 | slef | Can anyone help? |
| 18:14 | cait | so no program this week? |
| 18:14 | slef | not today |
| 18:15 | cait | I think we should try to get that sorted soon - so people waiting on the program start to register |
| 18:15 | whatkind of help do you need? | |
| 18:15 | thd | cait++ |
| 18:16 | cait | slef: would a spreadsheet with a summary of our last meeting help? |
| 18:16 | thd | There have certainly been conferences for which I had not registered until I the presentations had been posted. |
| 18:16 | slef | cait: yes. scrawling it into http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]2_Schedule#Papers would help |
| 18:16 | cait | yes, I think we need to hurry up a bit |
| 18:17 | hm not sure how to compress the information so it can go there | |
| 18:17 | slef | mostly we agreed, so can summarise hi, medium or low and the audience as dev, lib or mix |
| 18:18 | cait | perhaps we should also put the abstracts online for the talks that do not require change? |
| 18:18 | slef | yes, indeed. I suggest on http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/ |
| 18:18 | cait | slef: so medium medium high would be medium? |
| 18:18 | slef: i thought perhaps in the wiki and link from the schedule table? | |
| 18:19 | slef | cait: that's what I was going to do, with me as a tie-break vote if needed, but I'm happy for it to be you |
| 18:19 | cait: wiki is temporary. Needs moving to the more public place ASAP | |
| 18:19 | cait | hm ok |
| 18:19 | slef | cait: but could put it in the wiki and I'll copy it later |
| 18:19 | up to you | |
| 18:20 | cait | will still gather as many of the abstracts as I can find there first - so you can fill blanks |
| 18:20 | slef | who does wins |
| 18:20 | I can probably paste all the abstracts fairly quickly | |
| 18:20 | cait | will probably be friday - I am off work on friday, so have some time to srot this out |
| 18:20 | slef | it's summarising the reviews that is difficult |
| 18:20 | thd | I think that posting even a potential list of papers would help obtain additional registrations and possibly more sponsorship, even in the absence of confirmation and detailed schedule. |
| 18:21 | slef | cait: OK if I paste abstracts before that? I think only the GDC five required significant changes |
| 18:21 | required/we would request | |
| 18:21 | cait | totally ok |
| 18:22 | slef | #agreed slef to post full abstracts to wiki unless changes were requested |
| 18:22 | #agreed cait to summarise reviews, probably Friday | |
| 18:22 | cait | #topic Hackfest Schedule |
| 18:22 | Topic for #koha is now Hackfest Schedule | |
| 18:22 | cait | I have posted 2 ideas on the wiki page |
| 18:23 | I am a bit stuck on it | |
| 18:23 | slef | well |
| 18:23 | cait | we have 2 long presentations / workshops |
| 18:23 | slef | I think we have five papers, plus the bugsquash idea |
| 18:23 | cait | where not all might be interested in |
| 18:23 | slef | and there are six half-days |
| 18:23 | cait | especially the debian packaging is probably more a hands on training |
| 18:24 | we can spread it equally - but that will mean people don#t get to work much on topics that are on the last day | |
| 18:24 | or we can try to put it into the first days and then start working on things we learned | |
| 18:24 | not sure what is better | |
| 18:24 | and how to spread it out between mornings and afternoons | |
| 18:24 | slef | me neither |
| 18:24 | cait | I hoped for some input :) |
| 18:24 | jcamins | I'd suggest no long workshops after lunch. |
| 18:25 | cait | yeah |
| 18:25 | I was hoping for people to hack in the afternoons mostly | |
| 18:25 | jcamins | So I'd vote for option 2. |
| 18:25 | cait | digesting what they heard in the mornings and leaving room for some spontanous things |
| 18:25 | slef | ok |
| 18:25 | jcamins | And I think the order makes sense, too. |
| 18:25 | cait | and has someone a better idea about the Groups report? (term I mean?) |
| 18:25 | slef | I think it's important to kick the bugsquash off early |
| 18:25 | cait: feedback? | |
| 18:25 | cait | the idea was that people talk about what they have worked on during the day |
| 18:26 | or ideas that came up | |
| 18:26 | jcamins | The most people will be interested in TT, followed by Plack, with SIP being interesting to the smallest number of people. |
| 18:26 | slef | jcamins: yes, I think TT should be early. |
| 18:26 | cait | we could start squashing bugs on monday afternoon |
| 18:26 | keeping some kind of score during the days | |
| 18:26 | jcamins | cait++ |
| 18:26 | cait | jcamins: that was my thinking, hope that's ok with you all too |
| 18:26 | i think sip is smallest group | |
| 18:27 | and put template toolkit before plack, because it's a bit less technical | |
| 18:27 | slef | ok... next question: do you want both the package workshops in the same day? |
| 18:28 | I can see arguments for and against it | |
| 18:28 | jcamins | slef: the problem I see with that is that you end up having 4 straight hours on packaging, two of those immediately after lunch, which means everyone will fall asleep. |
| 18:29 | slef | Aye. The benefit is that you only lose one day to package work and could have two days spent on core hacking. |
| 18:29 | cait | slef: I think both on same day is a bit much |
| 18:29 | so I prefer the second schedule a bit | |
| 18:29 | we could move the sip server talk into the afternoon | |
| 18:29 | which would make friday free to play | |
| 18:30 | jcamins | cait: yeah, that would make sense. |
| 18:30 | thd | I like the idea of a progressive degree of accessibility starting with template toolkit. |
| 18:30 | slef | jcamins: I think we have to trust people not to gorge so much at lunch that they fall asleep. |
| 18:30 | cait | slef: dangerous :) |
| 18:30 | jcamins | slef: well, there's trusting people, then there's making it that much easier for them to be trustworthy. ;) |
| 18:31 | slef | jcamins: and we have to trust cait to bring so much chocolate and the co-ops to bring so much coffee, everyone will be running laps around the walls. |
| 18:31 | jcamins | lol |
| 18:31 | cait | please refresh page |
| 18:31 | I made some changes to number 2 | |
| 18:31 | oleonard | slef: it worked for the marseille hackfest |
| 18:31 | cait | slef: who said I will bring chocolate? :) |
| 18:31 | thd | which page? |
| 18:31 | jcamins | cait: I like option two. |
| 18:31 | cait | everyone has to bring chocolate! :) |
| 18:31 | slef | thd: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohaCon12_Schedule I think |
| 18:31 | jcamins | As you have it now. |
| 18:32 | That makes a lot of sense. | |
| 18:32 | cait | slef: what do you think? |
| 18:32 | slef | cait: looks good to me. |
| 18:32 | cait | and please - another word for groups report? or is that ok, reads wrong :) |
| 18:32 | slef | cait: feedback? |
| 18:32 | cait | ah |
| 18:32 | feedback is good | |
| 18:33 | I will put a short explanation above | |
| 18:33 | slef | I have seen it called "feedback to plenary" but plenary is not really a common English word I think. |
| 18:33 | cait | hm and it's long :) |
| 18:33 | slef | as in I have been in plenary sessions that were split into groups ;) |
| 18:33 | cait | "Feedback" ? :) |
| 18:34 | slef | cait: bweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeee |
| 18:34 | * slef | screeches at cait |
| 18:34 | cait | oh |
| 18:34 | what have I done? | |
| 18:34 | * cait | hides behind jcamins |
| 18:34 | slef | sorry... thought you wanted some feedback |
| 18:34 | cait | rofl |
| 18:34 | slef | heh that'll be a cool way to stop people talking when it's time for the feedback session |
| 18:34 | cait | you have the hat tonight ;) |
| 18:35 | ok | |
| 18:35 | slef | sorry |
| 18:35 | cait | latest version in wiki |
| 18:35 | if someone hates it - we can still reschedule | |
| 18:35 | jcamins | Looks good to me. |
| 18:36 | slef | hmm |
| 18:36 | thd | I think that we should have some group reports at the end of each day for which there are divided tracks. |
| 18:36 | slef | no free hack time in first two mornings if you like all talks |
| 18:36 | jcamins | thd: I think "Feedback" covers that well enough. |
| 18:37 | cait | I think we will have not all people attending to the packaging |
| 18:37 | slef | yeah I guess not |
| 18:37 | cait | so the short talks first in the morning |
| 18:37 | and people can decide to work on that or work on something else | |
| 18:37 | slef | ok |
| 18:37 | cait | not sure it will work - we will see then and there |
| 18:38 | thd | Have we suggested 'feedback' for the end of each day? |
| 18:38 | slef | yeah true we can play if needed, but this is a good working plan |
| 18:38 | cait | thd: check the schedule - there is one block at 4 everyday |
| 18:38 | jcamins | thd: yes, there's a schedule proposed on the wiki. |
| 18:38 | cait | perhaps we could also have on ein the morning for friday? |
| 18:38 | slef | cait: friday? |
| 18:38 | cait | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]edule#Other_ideas |
| 18:38 | wahanui | friday is It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday |
| 18:38 | cait | oh monday |
| 18:38 | sory | |
| 18:38 | slef | np |
| 18:39 | all work and no play makes cait a dull boy | |
| 18:39 | * thd | had glanced so quickly at the schedule table that rows and columns had been inverted in his mind. |
| 18:39 | cait | boy? |
| 18:39 | slef | cait: hey, I didn't make the saying up. |
| 18:40 | speaking of mind inversions, can we move on to the next topic before thd makes another entry in the bizarre statement contest? ;-) | |
| 18:41 | cait | #Topic Next meeting |
| 18:41 | Topic for #koha is now Next meeting | |
| 18:41 | slef | Next Wednesday, same time? |
| 18:41 | cait | yep |
| 18:41 | +1 | |
| 18:41 | slef | #agreed Next Wednesday, same time |
| 18:41 | cait | #endmeeting |
| 18:41 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.8.0, 3.6.4 and 3.4.8 Now Available | Koha Community Website - http://www.koha-community.org/ | General IRC meeting, 2 May 2012 at 2:00 UTC+0 | |
| 18:41 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed May 2 18:41:45 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 18:41 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-05-02-18.01.html | |
| 18:41 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]2-05-02-18.01.txt | |
| 18:41 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]02-18.01.log.html | |
| 18:41 | * slef | waits for the hammer to fall |
| 18:42 | cait | don't get your hand under it |
| 18:42 | * slef | got beat by it |
| 18:42 | cait | lolo |
| 18:42 | or lol even | |
| 18:42 | slef | no yolo then? |
| 18:43 | ok, thanks everyone | |
| 18:43 | jcamins | Well done. Only 40 minutes. |
| 18:43 | * slef | returns to collapsing |
| 18:44 | thd | slef: My previous entry into the bizarre statements had been inspired by wahanui. |
| 18:44 | oleonard | Who proposed "A Road Map to Improved Koha Governance?" Or is it secret for papers under review? |
| 18:45 | jcamins | oleonard: I think they were all accepted. |
| 18:45 | slef | oleonard: it'll be in last week's log in the paste therein |
| 18:45 | jcamins | (and therefore it need not be secret) |
| 18:45 | slef | I'm next to it, so I'll get it |
| 18:45 | jcamins | Bob Birchall, I think. |
| 18:45 | slef | oh no not in the pastebin |
| 18:45 | meh | |
| 18:45 | * oleonard | is going by http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]2_Schedule#Papers |
| 18:45 | slef | let me get the abstracts now |
| 18:45 | oleonard | Many under "reviewing" jcamins |
| 18:46 | cait | oleonard: slef will update :) |
| 18:46 | it's on his list :P | |
| 18:46 | jcamins | oleonard: updating that is one of slef's actions. |
| 18:46 | thd | Presenters should be included in the list of accepted papers. |
| 18:46 | oleonard | Okay, I'm in no hurry (and I wasn't paying close attention to the meeting sorry) |
| 18:46 | * oleonard | is trying to keep jealously-levels down |
| 18:47 | cait | ooh :( |
| 18:47 | thd | oleonard: There are no secrets which are not secret from me. |
| 18:48 | oleonard: We are also not 'something enough' to yet have need for anonymous review of papers or bugs. | |
| 18:48 | wahanui | okay, thd. |
| 18:49 | oleonard | We? |
| 18:49 | wahanui | We are talking about ms outlook here... or not 'something enough' to yet have need for anonymous review of papers or bugs. |
| 18:49 | thd | oleonard: We, the koha communal we. |
| 18:50 | * oleonard | was merely poking wahanui |
| 18:50 | cait | whanui: forget we |
| 18:50 | wahanui | cait: I forgot we |
| 18:51 | thd | Many peer review procedures have anonymous review for papers. Does anyone ever do anonymous patch review? |
| 18:52 | s/bugs/patches/ | |
| 18:52 | jcamins | thd: not for Koha. |
| 18:52 | thd | jcamins: I meant for the world. |
| 18:52 | jcamins | thd: I'm not sure. |
| 18:54 | A quick Google search doesn't turn much up. | |
| 18:54 | I don't see how that could work, though. | |
| 18:55 | thd | jcamins: I imagine that it could work in the same way that anonymous peer review works to some degree for academic journals. |
| 18:55 | jcamins: It involves an additional anonymising layer in the work flow. | |
| 18:56 | jcamins | I mean, not that academic peer review is necessarily that successful at keeping things anonymous, but at least there are a lot more PhDs in mechanical engineering than there are developers in most development projects. |
| 18:57 | thd | The veil of anonymity would be especially thin and probably conflict with other universal project goals such as keeping people aware of what your development efforts. |
| 18:59 | The only project which comes to mind where anonymity in patch review might help overcome a problem is Linux kernel development. | |
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| 19:04 | * thd | heads to the laundry. |
| 19:05 | cait | slef: the great wizzyrea has put the donate button on the front page :) |
| 19:05 | wizzyrea++ | |
| 19:06 | wizzyrea | (but it looks funny - is there another paypal graphic we can use? |
| 19:06 | magnuse | wizzyrea++ |
| 19:07 | wizzyrea | well it's better anyway |
| 19:09 | ok, now I feel at least not terrible about it | |
| 19:10 | bbiab, installing software | |
| 19:17 | slef | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]chedule#Abstracts posted, except the ones we're definitely asking for changes on. Let me know if I've mispasted anything... or just edit it out, please? |
| 19:18 | magnuse | g`night #koha |
| 19:19 | oleonard | Looks like a great slate of talks |
| 19:22 | * chris_n | wonders what the toxicity level is for java |
| 19:27 | oleonard | How much java programming you can do before you die? |
| 19:28 | chris_n | it tastes good going down... |
| 19:44 | jcamins | o.O |
| 19:45 | Oh, never mind. | |
| 19:45 | Looks like the RSS feed is acting up. | |
| 19:50 | Would it (theoretically) be possible to return "404: this record does not exist" when someone enters an invalid biblionumber rather than the standard 404 page? | |
| 19:53 | oleonard | Oh, I figured out how to get Chome to eat memory like Firefox |
| 19:54 | slef | oleonard: congratulations! |
| 19:54 | oleonard | Ask it to clear the cache since the beginning of time. |
| 19:54 | jcamins | Ironic, isn't it? All you wanted to do was reduce its resource usage! |
| 19:55 | slef | jcamins: maybe. It is possible to set a different errordocument for that path? |
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| 19:55 | jcamins | slef: well, it's opac-detail.pl |
| 19:57 | Ah, just check REDIRECT_URL. | |
| 19:57 | Cool. | |
| 19:57 | And with that thought, it's time to call it a day. | |
| 19:58 | So long, #koha. | |
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| 20:13 | cait | morning kathryn |
| 20:14 | kathryn | heya cait |
| 20:28 | * chris_n | follows oleonard's example and heads home |
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| 20:50 | cait | night all |
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| 21:24 | jcamins_away | You know what would hugely improve performance? |
| 21:24 | On the OPAC, anyway, cache the error pages. | |
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| 21:43 | melia | wizzyrea: you around? |
| 21:43 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | sup |
| 21:43 | melia | I am looking at the sql reports library at your report for finding duplicate holds |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | reports library? |
| 21:43 | wahanui | it has been said that reports library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | (just wanted the link) |
| 21:44 | ok shoot | |
| 21:44 | melia | but am curious about "do note that it doesn't necessarily mean anything as processes done on one will do the same to the other" |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | right, this report only detects them, but you can't DO anything to them through the UI |
| 21:44 | if that makes sense | |
| 21:44 | you can't delete them | |
| 21:45 | melia | so how does one get rid of them? (and how did they get there to start with?) |
| 21:45 | wizzyrea | they got there when a patron or staff member double clicked the "place hold" button |
| 21:45 | there is relatively recent code that adds a javascript trap for double clicks | |
| 21:45 | kyle did it I think | |
| 21:46 | i'm sure it's in 3.8, i'm not sure if it's in 3.6 | |
| 21:46 | melia | ok, that makes sense. the library that's asking is on 3.6 still. |
| 21:46 | wizzyrea | bug 4054 |
| 21:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4054 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Double-clicking the 'place hold' button can result in duplicate holds |
| 21:46 | melia | thank you very much@ |
| 21:47 | wizzyrea | yw :) |
| 21:47 | as far as getting rid of them | |
| 21:47 | you don't have to | |
| 21:47 | yes, it's weird | |
| 21:47 | but they complete and work just like every other hold | |
| 21:47 | melia | awesome. if they'll just disappear happily on their own, that's great. :) |
| 21:47 | wizzyrea | so, just tell the staff (and they can tell their patron) "these will clear in time" |
| 21:47 | yep, they do | |
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| 21:54 | chris_n | is there not dup check for holds in the holds code? |
| 22:02 | jcamins_away | I don't think there is. |
| 22:12 | chris_n | interesting that the reserves table has no PK |
| 22:16 | gmcharlt | interesting indeed |
| 22:18 | for painful definitions of "interesting" ;) | |
| 22:18 | chris_n | a PK made up of borrowernumber and biblionumber probably would eliminate the possability of dups |
| 22:19 | or itemnumber rather? | |
| 22:19 | depending | |
| 22:19 | * chris_n | is no circulation whiz |
| 22:19 | gmcharlt | which is where it could get tricky |
| 22:19 | in principle somebody could want both a title-level and copy-level hold on the same title | |
| 22:20 | chris_n | in which case it may be better to have an autoincr pk and have the code catch dups based on rules? |
| 22:20 | gmcharlt | IMO, yes |
| 22:21 | chris_n | this probably deserves its very own bug :-) |
| 22:37 | jcamins_away | chris_n: it has one. |
| 22:37 | kyleh wrote a patch, which I commented on. | |
| 22:37 | @query primary key | |
| 22:37 | huginn | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7065 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , reserves table needs a primary key |
| 22:37 | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7671 major, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Needs Signoff , add a real primary key "accountlinesid" in accountlines | |
| 22:37 | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7792 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Needs Signoff , redefine the field branchcode as PRIMARY KEY of branches | |
| 22:37 | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7793 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Needs Signoff , redefine the field message_id as PRIMARY KEY of message_queue | |
| 22:37 | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7794 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Needs Signoff , redefine the field id as PRIMARY KEY of sessions | |
| 22:37 | jcamins_away | Bug 7065 |
| 22:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7065 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , reserves table needs a primary key |
| 22:37 | jcamins_away | That's the one. |
| 22:39 | chris_n | that needs pushing |
| 22:39 | but the problem is a bit deeper as the backend fails to do any dup checking | |
| 22:39 | * chris_n | runs off to the next scheduled event of the evening |
| 22:41 | jcamins_away | chris_n: I commented on why I didn't like the proposed patch. |
| 22:45 | Oh, there is a new patch. | |
| 22:45 | From today. | |
| 22:45 | Huh. Didn't notice that. | |
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| 23:45 | Judit | good morning |
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