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| 01:42 | Milts_NZ | Hey Idlers, is there anyone I can talk to about stopwords in Koha? |
| 01:42 | druthb | Hi, Milts. :) |
| 01:43 | Milts_NZ | hey :D |
| 01:43 | we're playing with stopwords, and it seems to make little difference... is it correct that you can't use stopwords if Zebra is turned on? | |
| 01:43 | because without them our relevancy ranking is pretty off... | |
| 01:43 | druthb | The short answer is, if you're using NoZebra, there are stopwords, but you have bigger problems, as that is deprecated, and really shouldn't be used. If you're using Zebra, there are no stopwords. |
| 01:44 | Milts_NZ | ah I was wondering that. We are using Zebra. |
| 01:44 | druthb | I've not observed that problem here; lemme grab a couple of settings for you to check. |
| 01:44 | mtj | ooh, that sounds like it needs a bug logged |
| 01:44 | druthb | what does? |
| 01:44 | wahanui | does is calculate the discount on this price or the tax is removed before to calculte the discount on the price before taxes? |
| 01:44 | druthb | wahanui: forget does |
| 01:44 | wahanui | druthb: I forgot does |
| 01:45 | Milts_NZ | I've got a screenshot of a search for the title of an item uploaded here: http://www.4freeimagehost.com/[…]=8740fa83bc35.png |
| 01:45 | and it appears 6th in the list with all the items before it seemingly appearing because they have "a" and "the" in the titles | |
| 01:46 | druthb | we get best results with QueryAutoTruncate set to "only if * is added", QueryFuzzy "Try", QueryStemming "Try", QueryWeightFields "Enable". |
| 01:46 | Now, in the default install, defaultSortField/defaultSortOrder are set to relevance/ascending, which doesn't make much sense...it puts the *lowest* relevance first. | |
| 01:47 | Milts_NZ | OK. We don't have QueryFuzzy and QueryStemming on, maybe they would help |
| 01:47 | ooooo o.0 | |
| 01:47 | druthb | I always end up setting defaultSortOrder and OPACdefaultSortOrder to "descending," which makes better sense for relevance. |
| 01:47 | Milts_NZ | will that also make a difference when searching in the staff side? |
| 01:48 | druthb | defaultSortOrder is the staff sidd, OPACdefaultSortOrder is the OPAC |
| 01:48 | *side | |
| 01:49 | mtj | druthb: a patch to remove stopwords, after nozebra code is deleted |
| 01:49 | druthb | no need to reindex when you change those; it Just Works. |
| 01:49 | mtj++ once NoZebra is gone, yeah, all the stuff that only works for NoZebra needs to go away tooooo | |
| 01:49 | Milts_NZ | druthb: Thanks, playing with the sort order's done it |
| 01:50 | druthb | Glad to have been of service Milts. I set up new installs all the time, and that's just one of my setting-up steps. |
| 01:51 | Milts_NZ | druthb: SpaceLibrarian also says Hi and THANKS |
| 01:51 | druthb | :D Tell her hello for me! |
| 01:52 | mtj | ...bug logged :) |
| 01:52 | Milts_NZ | :D |
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| 01:54 | * Space_Librarian | appears in a blinding flash of light |
| 01:54 | druthb | I have trouble teaching librarians occasionally that you don't do CCL queries with Koha...just throw words at it, like you do Google, and it mostly Just Works. |
| 01:54 | * druthb | squees happily! |
| 01:54 | Space_Librarian | hey druthb :D |
| 01:54 | Thanks for the epic fix. | |
| 01:55 | * druthb | blushes. |
| 01:55 | Milts_NZ | druthb: there should be a popup when you open Koha for the first time with a list of 'best default settings' |
| 01:55 | druthb | T'weren't nothin', sweetie. Just something I've learned about new installs, having done so many of 'em. |
| 01:55 | Milts_NZ | because without you, we would have been lost for a long time |
| 01:55 | Space_Librarian | I get the feeling much of our Initial Set-Up wasn't ever actually Set-Up... so what Milts_NZ says would be great. |
| 01:55 | druthb++ | |
| 01:56 | druthb | even a manual chapter, or something on the wiki or something, might be helpful. But if the mode is "relevance", the default oughta be "Descending" as installed anyway...that's always seemed a lil silly. |
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| 01:59 | Milts_NZ | From a 'slightly lost end user' perspective it seems _quite_ silly |
| 02:00 | mtj | pssst... log a bug... |
| 02:00 | Milts_NZ | I've logged 2 in the last month, isn't there some kind of quota? |
| 02:00 | Space_Librarian | I think Milts_NZ may be getting tired of my saying "log a bug" too |
| 02:00 | :p | |
| 02:01 | druthb | I logged one yesterday, so this'll be my second this month, too. |
| 02:03 | Bug 8012 filed. | |
| 02:03 | I suppose since I said "trivial to fix", you'll be wanting a *patch* or something, too, mtj? :P | |
| 02:07 | It looks like there was an attempt to fix this, by handling the "NULL" initialized value in the syspref at the template. But why not just initialize the value correctly? | |
| 02:07 | mtj | see, after a little bit of practice - i can log a bug in about the same time it takes me to bitch about something borken on #irc |
| 02:09 | druthb | Since you can't set NULL in the interface, it really makes little sense to me why the value is initialized NULL. |
| 02:09 | mtj | not saying that y'all are 'bitching' :) |
| 02:13 | * druthb | walks out onto the high dive, in a hurricane, with nothing but a small tumbler of water where the pool should be, blindfolded... |
| 02:14 | mtj | druthb: nope, no patch wanted from me :) logging the issue is 'GOOD-ENUFF' (tm applied for) |
| 02:14 | druthb | It looks to me like the basic case that Fridolyn raises in bug 6092 needs to be handled, for systems where that is still set to NULL, as well as setting the values in the installer (Bug 8012) |
| 02:15 | Still a pretty trivial patch, IMO. | |
| 02:19 | mtj | ...you keep digging that hole, ruth :) |
| 02:20 | druthb | mtj: :P |
| 02:20 | I require frozen yogurt, and chocolate. Perhaps chocolate frozen yogurt. Back directly, and then I'll consider writing a patch to clear up both of these bugs. | |
| 02:23 | * Space_Librarian | now wants gelato |
| 02:23 | jcamins_away | Space_Librarian: I look forward to signing off on your patch adding 773 to the OPAC results. :) |
| 02:25 | * Space_Librarian | blinks and scurries off to check the patches |
| 02:26 | jcamins_away | Space_Librarian: did you write that patch yet? |
| 02:26 | I didn't notice it yet if you did! | |
| 02:27 | Space_Librarian | I'm trying to remember if I did or not! |
| 02:27 | jcamins_away | Doesn't look like it. |
| 02:27 | I certainly was under the impression that you hadn't. | |
| 02:27 | But there's still time! | |
| 02:30 | Space_Librarian | Yes, yes there is. Now. to remember what I was going to do... |
| 02:30 | jcamins | What we really need is for the 773 to show up in OPAC results. |
| 02:30 | As it happens, I can point you to an example of what might be wanted. | |
| 02:31 | Convenient, isn't that? | |
| 02:31 | :) | |
| 02:31 | Space_Librarian | what was I going to do. That's right. That's what I was going to do. Will investigate it now. |
| 02:31 | Very convenient. | |
| 02:31 | Point me in the right direction! | |
| 02:32 | * Space_Librarian | has delegated all work and wants something to do that is productive. |
| 02:32 | jcamins | https://github.com/jcamins/koh[…]CResults.xsl#L510 |
| 02:32 | That's even not a staggeringly awful URL. :) | |
| 02:33 | Space_Librarian | it isn't indeed |
| 02:34 | jcamins | So you can combine that example with the code we have in the OPAC Details page to get something like what you want. http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7f73;hb=HEAD#l634 |
| 02:34 | ^^ that's a pretty awful URL. | |
| 02:34 | * Space_Librarian | does something about a github login |
| 02:34 | Space_Librarian | re: the ^^ URL - O.o |
| 02:34 | jcamins | My first link shouldn't require a login. |
| 02:35 | Did it demand that you login? | |
| 02:35 | If it did, I'll try and fix that. | |
| 02:36 | Space_Librarian | nope? the first link too me straight to the code |
| 02:36 | took* | |
| 02:36 | jcamins | Oh, good. :) |
| 02:36 | That's what it was supposed to do. | |
| 02:36 | Space_Librarian | excellent |
| 02:37 | jcamins | druthb_away: BTW, speak for yourself, I use CCL for most of my searching in Koha. |
| 02:37 | And regularly curse our "implementation." | |
| 02:39 | * jcamins | sighs- wish I had more time for signing things off just now. |
| 02:40 | * Space_Librarian | offers a TARDIS for use |
| 02:40 | jcamins | Yes! |
| 02:40 | Thank you! | |
| 02:41 | :) | |
| 02:42 | Space_Librarian | just don't let wizzyrea anywhere near it, you'll never get it back. |
| 02:42 | jcamins | lol |
| 03:04 | Milts_NZ | Thx all for the help, have a great day/evening/night/morning (depending) |
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| 04:01 | Amit_Gupta | heya bag |
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| 04:40 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
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| 05:21 | Amit_Gupta | heya cait |
| 05:21 | cait | hi Amit_Gupta |
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| 05:24 | francharb | good morning |
| 05:24 | cait | good morning francharb :) |
| 05:32 | Oak | Guten Morgen cait :) |
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| 05:37 | cait | hi Oak :) |
| 05:50 | Oak | :) |
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| 06:23 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 06:52 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:04 | magnuse | kia ora #koha! |
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| 07:11 | clrh | hello all |
| 07:12 | magnuse | vonjour clrh |
| 07:12 | or "bonjour", your choice :-) | |
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| 07:13 | kf | hi #koha |
| 07:14 | magnuse | guten morgen kf |
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| 07:23 | esofiane | Hi everybody |
| 07:23 | magnuse | hiya esofiane |
| 07:23 | danielg++ | |
| 07:23 | @seen danielg | |
| 07:24 | no? | |
| 07:24 | wahanui | no is failing unit tests |
| 07:24 | magnuse | oh well |
| 07:24 | clrh | I prefer bonjour magnuse ^^ |
| 07:24 | * magnuse | will try to remember that |
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| 07:40 | newa34 | helo everyone.... |
| 07:40 | I am having "Could not find opac-search.xml in /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 606 " error with newly installed koha 3.8 | |
| 07:41 | can make search on Staff Client but on OPAC this error appeared ....any idea any one?? | |
| 07:45 | magnuse | newa34: never seen that before, are you using pazpar2? |
| 07:45 | Amit_Gupta | heya magnuse |
| 07:46 | newa34 | yes i have selected pazpar2 during installation |
| 07:46 | kf | hi magnuse and all |
| 07:47 | magnuse | hiya Amit_Gupta |
| 07:48 | newa34 | i think i did had nearly same error during koha 3.2 but...on later version i havent got it...during tat time it was some sort of package missing...but this time i can find there is no any package missing required for koha installation |
| 07:49 | kf | perhaps try turning off the pazpar2 preference |
| 07:49 | try a search for grouped in the system preferences | |
| 07:49 | magnuse | when i set OpacGroupResults = Use i get the same error |
| 07:49 | newa34 | i am installing it on Debian(Squeeze) |
| 07:49 | kf | ah yep that one |
| 07:49 | Amit_Gupta | heya kf |
| 07:49 | newa34 | ok i will try it now...few minutes plz |
| 07:50 | magnuse | but i never tried setting up pazpar2, so i can't be of much help here |
| 07:52 | newa34 | magnus u were right...it worked when i turned off OpacGroupResult |
| 07:53 | need to figure out more abt pazpar2....anyway thax alots magnuse | |
| 07:55 | magnuse | no problemo! |
| 07:59 | kf | magnuse++ |
| 07:59 | magnuse | hey, i didn't do much! |
| 07:59 | kf | Could not find opac-search.xml in /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 606 is Try to turn of the OpacGroupResults system preference. |
| 07:59 | Could not find opac-search.xml in /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 606? | |
| 08:00 | wahanui: Could not find opac-search.xml in /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm is <reply> Try to turn of the OpacGroupResults system preference. :) | |
| 08:00 | wahanui | OK, kf. |
| 08:00 | magnuse | i wonder if it is a bug or just missing setup, though |
| 08:00 | kf | Could not find opac-search.xml in /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm? |
| 08:00 | hmpf | |
| 08:00 | Could not find opac-search.xml in /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm is? | |
| 08:00 | wahanui is being mean | |
| 08:01 | magnuse | it's friday... |
| 08:02 | hey, it's friday! | |
| 08:03 | pizzaday! | |
| 08:03 | newa34 | Do anyone have Idea about GMAIL SMTP for carts....? |
| 08:04 | some of the frens post patch with concept of Centralize mail system for koha 3.6 is it now included on 3.8? or need to patch to have ta feature | |
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| 09:23 | babu | hi to all |
| 09:27 | kf | search faq? |
| 09:27 | wahanui | search faq is at http://koha-community.org/docu[…]on/faq/searching/ |
| 09:28 | babu | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at C:/Usr/koha229/opac/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl line 7. |
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| 09:30 | kf | babu: are you trying to install Koha on windows? |
| 09:32 | vfernandes | Hi Koha community |
| 09:33 | one question: on UNIMARC Koha souldn't the field 099 in the marcxml be filled automatically? | |
| 09:34 | in UNIMARC the field 099 have two subfield: the creation date (date-entered-on-file) and the last modification date | |
| 09:34 | but when I create a new record (or when editing) the field isn't filled in the marcxml | |
| 09:35 | the values for that subfields are in the biblio table, but should also be in the column marcxml of biblioitems | |
| 09:35 | anyone knows how to solve this? | |
| 09:46 | no one? | |
| 09:46 | wahanui | no one is saying a word, soooooo |
| 09:46 | kf | vfernandes: sorry, I don't know about UNIMARC |
| 09:46 | we are using MARC21 only | |
| 09:46 | so no idea about your problem | |
| 09:47 | vfernandes | right...but shouldn't koha fill that field automatically? |
| 09:47 | kf | I don't know |
| 09:49 | vfernandes | ok thanks anyway kf... maybe should be better to send a email to the koha list |
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| 10:00 | samuel | hi everybody! |
| 10:01 | kf | hi samuel |
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| 10:45 | newa34 | ok gudday all ..see u all soon |
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| 12:26 | oleonard | So. |
| 12:28 | kf | hi oleonard :) |
| 12:28 | oleonard | Hi kf |
| 12:28 | kf | it's friday :) |
| 12:30 | oleonard | Yes. |
| 12:30 | * kf | offers a cookie for a smile |
| 12:31 | oleonard | :) |
| 12:32 | * kf | hands over the cookie |
| 12:33 | * oleonard | would take it if he could as it would go well with this coffee |
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| 12:34 | kf | oleonard: if you believe strong enough... it will work |
| 12:37 | oleonard | Strange, when the selection is moved from one radio button to another the change() function doesn't fire on the one the selection moves away from |
| 12:38 | kf | in circ? |
| 12:39 | oleonard | I'd like to hide the "restricted unil" date entry form on memberentry if "Restricted: No" is checked. |
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| 12:39 | kf | yeah |
| 12:40 | that woudl be good I think | |
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| 12:57 | magnuse | this is encouraging: http://div.libriotech.no/koham[…]36x-vs-master.png it's the response times for two koha opacs, green is 3.6.4, blue is current master |
| 12:59 | kf | oh cool |
| 12:59 | is this memcache or plack or something? or just as is? | |
| 12:59 | magnuse | pretty much as is |
| 13:00 | the blue one has tt caching turned on | |
| 13:00 | no memcache or plack | |
| 13:00 | kf | oh nice! |
| 13:01 | magnuse | it might look different for things like search, but it's moving in the right direction |
| 13:03 | kf | yep |
| 13:06 | oleonard | Bug 8014 |
| 13:07 | * oleonard | taps his foot, looking around |
| 13:07 | jcamins_away | Ooh, cool! |
| 13:07 | (in response to magnuse's graph) | |
| 13:07 | magnuse | hehe |
| 13:08 | jcamins_away | For those who have been eagerly awaiting the results of my research, it looks like our fridge uses a bit more than 1/3 of the electricity we consume in a month. |
| 13:08 | magnuse | oops |
| 13:08 | oleonard | Wow. did you use one of those plug-in meters? |
| 13:09 | * magnuse | would consider a new fridge |
| 13:09 | jcamins_away | oleonard: yup. |
| 13:09 | oleonard | http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-b[…]blionumber=253660 |
| 13:09 | jcamins_away | magnuse: that's why I decided I needed a meter. |
| 13:09 | oleonard: cool! | |
| 13:09 | magnuse | jcamins_away: cool |
| 13:10 | oleonard: cool | |
| 13:10 | oops "In transit from Wells (Albany) to Glouster since 09/30/2011" | |
| 13:10 | jcamins_away | The next step is to find out whether a new fridge would improve things significantly. |
| 13:10 | oleonard | magnuse: Yeah, we have issues with our cargo delivery contractor :( |
| 13:10 | magnuse | how old is the old one? |
| 13:10 | oleonard: :-( | |
| 13:10 | jcamins_away | magnuse: uhhh... thirty or forty years? |
| 13:11 | I think. | |
| 13:11 | magnuse | then i think a new one will improve things sigificantly, yes :-) |
| 13:11 | * oleonard | agrees! |
| 13:11 | oleonard | Also: Holy smokes that's an old fridge! |
| 13:12 | jcamins_away | oleonard: it certainly is. The internet doesn't seem to know that this type of fridge was ever made. |
| 13:12 | (other than a few vague references to "we bought the fridge sometime in the seventies") | |
| 13:13 | magnuse | hehe |
| 13:13 | don't expect the next one to last that long, though... :-( | |
| 13:13 | oleonard | "in the bleary haze of a cocaine-and-disco hangover" |
| 13:13 | magnuse | hehe |
| 13:15 | oleonard | The ad read, "Can hold up to 100 cans of Tab!" |
| 13:16 | jcamins_away | magnuse: yeah, I know. :( |
| 13:16 | The question is whether the electricity usage is high enough for a new fridge to pay for itself. | |
| 13:17 | magnuse | i'd bet it is |
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| 13:18 | jcamins_away | Using more than 1/3 of our electricity does seem rather significant. |
| 13:18 | magnuse | yup |
| 13:19 | jcamins_away | Sadly they're staggeringly expensive. |
| 13:21 | oleonard | They can be, but I don't think they have to be (although I don't know how efficiency will affect the price offhand) |
| 13:21 | jcamins_away | According to GE, a new refrigerator uses approximately 1/4 as much electricity. |
| 13:21 | oleonard: unfortunately we have a very narrow kitchen, so we need a "deluxe" size. | |
| 13:22 | * magnuse | would have guessed a deluxe was bigger than normal |
| 13:22 | jcamins_away | It's not actually called deluxe. |
| 13:23 | But based on the price, it's considered a deluxe size. | |
| 13:23 | magnuse | ah |
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| 13:26 | Culiforge | could someone provide some assistance getting zebra going on a fedora 14 system? |
| 13:27 | jcamins_away | Culiforge: I don't think anyone here uses Fedora, sorry. |
| 13:27 | * jcamins_away | wanders off |
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| 13:33 | slef | Culiforge: I rarely do fedora. What's the problem? |
| 13:33 | meta-question? | |
| 13:33 | wahanui | just ask, don't ask if you can ask and if the right people are not here, they won't answer or you can use huginn's @later to leave a message |
| 13:33 | slef | except huginn's missing |
| 13:33 | but there's logbot | |
| 13:42 | Culiforge | slef: well, when I installed on ubuntu, everything went great but the school here wants it on fedora and I couldn't talk them out of it |
| 13:42 | slef: but I can't seem to get zebra to run much less start at boot | |
| 13:45 | * wizzyrea | doesn't use fedora |
| 13:45 | waves | |
| 13:45 | oleonard | Hi wizzyrea |
| 13:47 | Culiforge | wizzyrea: nor do I .... fedora would be so much better if it were deb based... :o |
| 13:47 | wizzyrea | but I'd have to take a guess and say that permissions are what's tripping you up |
| 13:47 | unless your specific error messages imply differently | |
| 13:52 | Culiforge | http://pastebin.com/rWfgAxUb |
| 13:52 | wizzyrea | that looks more like a typo in koha-conf.xml |
| 13:54 | chris_n | bug 8000 |
| 13:54 | wizzyrea | huginn has gone awol |
| 13:54 | * chris_n | pokes wahanui |
| 13:54 | pokes huginn | |
| 13:54 | * oleonard | hands chris_n a "Get to know your bots" pamphlet |
| 13:54 | * chris_n | pokes gmcharlt |
| 13:54 | chris_n | lol |
| 13:54 | wizzyrea | he's at eg12conf |
| 13:54 | Culiforge | wizzyrea: but there shouldn't be colons in xml tags should there? |
| 13:55 | wizzyrea | right 7999 and 8000 are not the same |
| 13:56 | similar, but not the same | |
| 13:56 | Culiforge | wizzyrea: or section tags rather.. the koha-conf.xml template from the install has none |
| 14:00 | wizzyrea | hm yea idk then. |
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| 14:03 | wizzyrea | well I have a strange problem after my ubuntu upgrade |
| 14:03 | jcamins | Oh! Yes! I'm upgrading Ubuntu! |
| 14:04 | Culiforge | I notice there's #koha on katipo.co.nz.... when I google fedora and koha together, that's where most of the hits come from.... anyone have opinions on whether that might be a good place to ask? |
| 14:04 | jcamins | Upgrade is finished. |
| 14:04 | Culiforge: that's the Koha mailing list. | |
| 14:04 | wizzyrea | that channel is this channel |
| 14:04 | Culiforge | jcamins: so no one there? |
| 14:04 | wizzyrea | no one's home |
| 14:04 | jcamins | The IRC channel moved over to here. |
| 14:04 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 14:04 | Culiforge | ah, ok |
| 14:04 | wizzyrea | oh bother, I guess pastebot is broken too? |
| 14:05 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 24.193.130.86 pasted "wizzyrea: I'm testing pastebot" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/369 |
| 14:05 | wizzyrea | wtfrack |
| 14:06 | oleonard | Oh boy, I have an old problem back after upgrading Ubuntu: laptop display won't wake up after being closed :( |
| 14:06 | wizzyrea | boo! |
| 14:06 | mine worked mostly ok I think | |
| 14:06 | well, it broke my hibernation again | |
| 14:06 | oleonard | Probably means some proprietary driver problem. |
| 14:06 | wizzyrea | but that's easily fixed. |
| 14:07 | (that's my fault anyway.) | |
| 14:07 | anyway: paste.koha-community.org/370 | |
| 14:08 | same in /usr/local/share/perl | |
| 14:08 | jcamins | Does anyone remember what attribute is keyword? |
| 14:09 | wizzyrea | but in /usr/lib/perl I have 5.14.2 |
| 14:09 | jcamins | (off the top of your head) |
| 14:09 | wizzyrea | i'm so confused. |
| 14:09 | kw? | |
| 14:09 | jcamins | I meant the numeric one. |
| 14:09 | 1012, something like that? | |
| 14:09 | wizzyrea | oh, no |
| 14:09 | * jcamins | is checking. |
| 14:10 | jcamins | 1016 |
| 14:12 | pastebot | "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "report help needed - anyone around that can help me out with this one?" (47 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/371 |
| 14:14 | slef | I mailed gmcharlt about huginn |
| 14:14 | not opened that mailbox since | |
| 14:14 | I guess that's my next job | |
| 14:14 | Culiforge: I don't think you want -c for an xml config | |
| 14:15 | Culiforge: can you try the zebra start up script from koha's bin folder? | |
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| 14:15 | slef | Culiforge: koha-zebra-ctl.sh |
| 14:16 | Culiforge: you may need to "yum install daemon" or something like that to make it work. | |
| 14:16 | Culiforge: and if you have ever successfully run zebrasrv as root, permissions will be screwed up with 95% probability, sorry | |
| 14:17 | Culiforge: unless you're running all of koha as root which sounds like a Really Bad Idea to me. | |
| 14:17 | jcamins | Terrible idea. |
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| 14:19 | jcamins | Another terrible idea is running master in production. |
| 14:19 | libsysguy: oh, hey, I didn't see you there! | |
| 14:19 | libsysguy | heh |
| 14:19 | he its not so bad | |
| 14:19 | think of all the cool new stuff you get | |
| 14:19 | :p | |
| 14:20 | wizzyrea | cool *partly broken* stuff. |
| 14:20 | slef | jcamins: aw shush customers like the dual functions of latest cool features and firey death! |
| 14:20 | wizzyrea | >.> |
| 14:20 | <.< | |
| 14:20 | * wizzyrea | gave up her hat of fiery death |
| 14:20 | slef | is the RMaint keeping 3.8.x stable with swift bugfixes? |
| 14:20 | Culiforge | slef: tried it with the conf file same result... I'll follow your suggestions and see what comes up |
| 14:20 | wizzyrea | if we can get some through farkin qa he would |
| 14:21 | slef | Culiforge: can you hire someone who has Fedora experience? |
| 14:21 | wizzyrea | plus paul is on vacation |
| 14:21 | jcamins | slef: not as stable as 3.6. :) |
| 14:21 | slef | paul != rmaint is he? |
| 14:21 | wizzyrea | no, but often the workflow goes through master first |
| 14:21 | slef | and I need 3.8 so I can probably do some QA |
| 14:21 | wizzyrea | patch -> signoff -> qa -> master -> stable |
| 14:21 | slef | bah Single Point Of Failure |
| 14:22 | wizzyrea | slef: first patches specifically for 3.8 that I know of, are 3998 |
| 14:22 | sorry, 7998 | |
| 14:22 | * oleonard | is hoping to bust up master with some good stuff |
| 14:22 | libsysguy | yayy cool stuff from oleonard |
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| 14:22 | wizzyrea | yay gmcharlt! |
| 14:22 | libsysguy | don't break anything oleonard |
| 14:22 | wizzyrea | no worries, no hurries gmcharlt - but huginn is broken and we miss him |
| 14:22 | * libsysguy | gives oleonard the hairy eyeball |
| 14:22 | slef | libsysguy: too late. oleonard already killed huginn |
| 14:23 | libsysguy | oleonard!!! |
| 14:23 | wahanui | oleonard is, like, still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
| 14:23 | slef | libsysguy: in the library with the lead piping. |
| 14:23 | * oleonard | gives libsysguy css and js libs outside of translated paths |
| 14:23 | ..and jqueryUI | |
| 14:23 | libsysguy | w00t!! |
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| 14:23 | * libsysguy | loves some jqueryUI |
| 14:23 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 14:23 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #178: "jcamins: IIS kills kittens" (added by wizzyrea at 05:20 PM, January 10, 2012) |
| 14:23 | * gmcharlt | blinks |
| 14:23 | libsysguy | can I use the theme roller? |
| 14:24 | jcamins | gmcharlt: it's true, isn't it? |
| 14:24 | gmcharlt | jcamins: well, ys |
| 14:25 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 14:25 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #182: "rangi: chiclet makes me think all you could type on it is bridget jones diary novels" (added by wizzyrea at 07:35 PM, January 25, 2012) |
| 14:25 | * wizzyrea | giggles that was a funny day |
| 14:26 | wizzyrea | i'm really quite flummoxed by this perl problem on my laptop. |
| 14:26 | maybe I need to remove it altogether and reinstall. | |
| 14:26 | slef | wizzyrea: what one's that? looking at scrollback |
| 14:26 | wizzyrea: if you cut your finger, do you amputate it? | |
| 14:27 | wizzyrea | well, on my new ubuntu upgrade (from 11 to 12) @INC is looking for 5.14.2 but in /usr/local/share/perl only exists 5.12.4 |
| 14:27 | it's bewildering | |
| 14:27 | it depends really on how bad the cut is :P | |
| 14:28 | slef | wizzyrea: /usr/local/bin/perl -V ? |
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| 14:29 | wizzyrea | 5.14.2 |
| 14:30 | and the paths all point to 5.14.2, but in /usr/local/lib/perl, as well as usr/local/share/perl, i only see 5.12.4 | |
| 14:31 | Culiforge | quote: slefCuliforge: can you hire someone who has Fedora experience? well.. the netadmin wanted me to use fedora because that's what the school district uses... He offered to assist but it takes 3 days to get a response from him.... |
| 14:31 | wizzyrea | oh boy. |
| 14:31 | Culiforge | yeah |
| 14:32 | wizzyrea | install virtualbox on your fedora machine and run debian in that :P |
| 14:32 | oleonard | Makes one wonder what the point is of going with his choice |
| 14:32 | * wizzyrea | can play bofh too |
| 14:32 | slef | oleonard: maybe he has monitoring and updates set up for fedora servers. But I doubt it. |
| 14:33 | Culiforge | 'cause he believes rpmtools and redhat is the way to do it |
| 14:33 | wizzyrea | i used to use redhat and fedora - but it makes no sense compared to debian. |
| 14:33 | imo | |
| 14:33 | slef | That's his choice and I respect his freedom to choose, but his freedom to swing his arm stops when it is infringing my face. |
| 14:33 | ;) | |
| 14:33 | wizzyrea | well and before that I used the garden of razorblades that is OpenBSD. |
| 14:33 | Culiforge | woot! |
| 14:34 | slef | @quote add <wizzyrea> well and before that I used the garden of razorblades that is OpenBSD. |
| 14:34 | huginn | slef: The operation succeeded. Quote #202 added. |
| 14:34 | slef | wizzyrea: Swiss Army Chainsaw, huh? |
| 14:34 | wizzyrea | ow my leg. |
| 14:34 | slef | :) |
| 14:34 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 14:35 | slef | arrrgh 17/30ths of the way through time and 0% of mail completed... biab |
| 14:35 | jcamins | 17/30s? |
| 14:36 | Culiforge | hopefully the NAT will be set up before the end of the school year so I can bang my head on this project from home |
| 14:44 | kf | @quote random |
| 14:44 | huginn | kf: Quote #148: "<oleonard> sekjal wants EVERYTHING in a matrix! <sekjal> I'm like the Anti-Neo" (added by wizzyrea at 05:11 PM, August 25, 2011) |
| 14:44 | kf | lol |
| 14:45 | hdl | sekjal's name is neo |
| 14:45 | wizzyrea | hehe that's a great one |
| 14:54 | @quote random | |
| 14:54 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #193: "<libsysguy> I don't always reterminate....but when I do the terminator is near a stud // * wizzyrea considers if this is a real statement or something to do with the movie." (added by slef at 02:56 PM, March 22, 2012) |
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| 15:05 | edveal | Does anyone know if the users home library is or can be passed via SIP? |
| 15:07 | wizzyrea | the first question? |
| 15:07 | wahanui | somebody said the first question was "What are you trying to do?" or or what is the goal? |
| 15:07 | * oleonard | is linting json |
| 15:08 | * wizzyrea | imagines oleonard with a sticky tape roller, going after his computer |
| 15:08 | oleonard | Speaking of which, maybe today is the day I'll give my keyboard a bath. |
| 15:09 | jcamins | wizzyrea: wouldn't that be *de*-linting? |
| 15:09 | wizzyrea | true enough |
| 15:11 | * jcamins | pictures oleonard with a large bag full of cat hair, throwing it on his computer. |
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| 15:19 | kf | bye all and nice weekend! |
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| 15:33 | jcamins | Why is it that every authority file other than LC's has useful information in it? |
| 15:35 | Seriously, every single one. | |
| 15:45 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:48 | chris_n | QOTD: "Someone who says little things don't bother them has never tried to sleep in a room with one mosquito." |
| 15:50 | francharb | see ya |
| 15:51 | oleonard | chris_n: As my wife would say, "Someone who says little things don't bother them has never tried to sleep in a room with a man who hears one mosquito" |
| 15:51 | chris_n | lol |
| 15:52 | jcamins | lol |
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| 15:56 | edveal | I am using this to auto populate a password field. But I want to add .toUpperCase and am having no luck. Any use .toUpperCase? |
| 15:56 | $(document).ready(function(){ | |
| 15:56 | $("#entryform #surname").blur(function(){ | |
| 15:56 | $("#entryform #password").val($("#entryform #surname").val()); | |
| 15:56 | }); | |
| 15:56 | }); | |
| 15:59 | oleonard | You're trying to convert the surname to uppercase when populating the password field? |
| 16:00 | jcamins | oleonard++ # the save button that sticks to the header in the cataloging module is great |
| 16:01 | You know, it is my considered opinion that we should cache the usage statistics for authorities. | |
| 16:02 | Specifically, we should use memoize_memcached. | |
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| 16:02 | jcamins | That would be good. |
| 16:02 | cait | hI :) |
| 16:03 | jcamins | Or we should use Koha::Cache. |
| 16:03 | That would also be good. | |
| 16:03 | I'm pretty flexible about the specfics. | |
| 16:03 | cait | I have no idea what this is about- but Koha::Cache yay |
| 16:03 | jcamins | *specifics |
| 16:03 | cait: we should cache authority usage statistics. | |
| 16:04 | cait | hm |
| 16:04 | we should cache report results | |
| 16:04 | like that nice patch from chris did | |
| 16:05 | edveal | oleonard yes that is it. The field is filled in Surname case and we want it to be all uppercase when it is moved to password. |
| 16:05 | jcamins | That too. |
| 16:05 | cait | that fell over the edge when they changed something.. :( |
| 16:05 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 66.213.78.34 pasted "Try this in the Firebug console" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/372 |
| 16:05 | oleonard | edveal: ^^ |
| 16:07 | edveal | Thanks that will help. |
| 16:08 | jwagner | oleonard, shouldn't that third line be #surname instead of #firstname? |
| 16:08 | oleonard | No, I just wanted to show the transformation in an obvious way since edveal wanted to put it in password where it will be masked |
| 16:15 | wizzyrea | why exactly is the biblioitems.isbn field only size 30 |
| 16:16 | jcamins | wizzyrea: no idea. |
| 16:17 | wizzyrea | i mean, that sucks if you're trying to report out ISBN's, you have to extract them from the marcxml if there are more than a couple in there |
| 16:17 | well 3, actually. | |
| 16:17 | jcamins | wizzyrea: why don't we normalize ISBNs? |
| 16:17 | I mean, their storage in the database. | |
| 16:18 | cait | don't know |
| 16:18 | wizzyrea | don't ask me |
| 16:18 | cait | why is edition not mapped by default? |
| 16:19 | jcamins | cait: another mystery! |
| 16:20 | * cait | nods |
| 16:21 | jcamins | You know, I would really like an authority module that could directly interface with LCNAF/PND/etc. |
| 16:21 | Or VIAF. | |
| 16:22 | * wizzyrea | is critted by acronyms for 9999 |
| 16:22 | dies | |
| 16:22 | jcamins | lol |
| 16:23 | Library of Congress Name Authority File, Personennamendatei, Virtual International Authority File. | |
| 16:24 | Great, viaf is dead. | |
| 16:24 | cait | jcamins: no more pnd |
| 16:24 | gnd now | |
| 16:25 | also includes swd and gkd (corporates and topic(?) authorities) | |
| 16:25 | gemeinsame normdatei I think | |
| 16:25 | it's very cool :) and very new | |
| 16:25 | jcamins | cait: :) |
| 16:27 | You know what we need for this to work? | |
| 16:27 | We need marcelr's SRU search stuff. | |
| 16:27 | I need time to test it and sign off on it. | |
| 16:27 | cait | I tsted it |
| 16:27 | it worked beautifully | |
| 16:27 | jcamins | I know. |
| 16:27 | cait | only problem was unimarc :( |
| 16:27 | jcamins | But we could always do with more sign offs. |
| 16:27 | cait | he talked about breaking it into smaller pieces |
| 16:27 | yep true | |
| 16:28 | probably needs rebase now tho | |
| 16:28 | jcamins | Yeah, I know. :( |
| 16:28 | cait | we changed the interface on that page |
| 16:28 | and I am sure also changed other things | |
| 16:28 | but I absolutely want it | |
| 16:28 | in koha | |
| 16:28 | for 3.10 | |
| 16:28 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 16:28 | cait | and json for cached reports... |
| 16:29 | jcamins | And a rewritten authorities module. |
| 16:29 | cait | oh yes |
| 16:29 | jcamins | Or mostly rewritten authorities module. |
| 16:29 | cait | and semantikoha things in opac |
| 16:29 | and... hm. | |
| 16:29 | jcamins | I'd also love for chris_n to finish his new cataloging editor. |
| 16:29 | cait | can I send a longer wish list? :) |
| 16:29 | oh yes | |
| 16:29 | open bugs down to 300 | |
| 16:30 | where bus is bugs and not enhancements | |
| 16:30 | jcamins | Auto-suggest in the OPAC. |
| 16:30 | cait | alphabetic register search... |
| 16:30 | ok... I know it's a libarian feature | |
| 16:30 | but would be nice if it worked actually | |
| 16:30 | jcamins | Useful authority display in the OPAC. |
| 16:30 | cait | that too |
| 16:30 | we should start a wish list :) | |
| 16:31 | jcamins | Are you worried we might not be able to think of things we want in the future? :P |
| 16:32 | cait | hm no |
| 16:32 | actulaly.. no | |
| 16:32 | jcamins | Oh, BTW, cait, I talked about your union catalog at a Code4Lib meeting the other day. |
| 16:32 | cait | oh you did? |
| 16:32 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 16:32 | cait | in which context? |
| 16:32 | and did you say something nice? :) | |
| 16:33 | jcamins | About the way you link out to wikipedia, and have useful authorities. |
| 16:33 | cait | ah yes |
| 16:33 | jcamins | Speaking of which, I just had an idea. |
| 16:34 | cait | we could do the wikipedia links |
| 16:34 | it's open source I think | |
| 16:34 | jcamins | If we had more semantic classes in our XSLT output, we could do that easily. |
| 16:34 | cait | I think it's based on this http://ws.gbv.de/seealso/ |
| 16:35 | jcamins | Ummm... |
| 16:35 | Have you shown that to magnuse? | |
| 16:35 | cait | um no |
| 16:35 | I think I didn't think of it | |
| 16:36 | * cait | does it now |
| 16:36 | jcamins | magnuse is a great guy, so I'm sure he'll forgive you. ;) |
| 16:36 | cait | yeah, he really is a great guy |
| 16:38 | jcamins | That SeeAlso is really cool, BTW. :) |
| 16:38 | cait | it's from jakob voss |
| 16:43 | jcamins: what was your idea? | |
| 16:43 | jcamins | That was my idea. |
| 16:43 | That we could do that if we had better semantic classes. | |
| 16:43 | cait | oh right |
| 16:44 | oleonard | This behavior of authorities autocomplete seems less than optimal: http://screencast.com/t/7x1co5JgQ |
| 16:45 | jcamins | oleonard: it certainly does. |
| 16:45 | I guess I never tested selecting records with a see from. | |
| 16:46 | * oleonard | is re-doing YUI autocompletes in jqueryUI |
| 16:46 | jcamins | Woohoo! |
| 16:46 | oleonard++ | |
| 16:49 | oleonard | From my very small sample it looks like such records could be chopped off after the "<br />": |
| 16:49 | 'summary' => 'Leonard, Arthur Gray, b. 1865<br /> | |
| 16:49 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 16:50 | cait | oleonard: the whole display is build bad :( |
| 16:50 | * jcamins | hopes it'll improve in 3.10. |
| 16:50 | cait | it's building the html in .... a .pm |
| 16:50 | and | |
| 16:50 | it contains untranslatable strings | |
| 16:50 | as the see and see also come from... the .pm | |
| 16:50 | jcamins | I don't expect it will be 100% fixed, but at least it should be improved. |
| 16:50 | cait | I wonder who did that and why why why... *sigh* |
| 16:51 | oleonard | Of course, you right. |
| 16:51 | jcamins | cait: *really*? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. |
| 16:51 | Wait, no it isn't. | |
| 16:51 | cait | yes, really |
| 16:51 | jcamins | But it's up there. |
| 16:51 | cait | I filed a bug |
| 16:51 | jcamins | I believe you. That was more of a rhetorical question. |
| 16:51 | cait | it's a insanely bad piece of code (in my eyes) |
| 16:51 | oleonard | Oh boy, second spontaneous firefox crash of the day :P |
| 16:51 | cait | because ... yeah. strictly against building html code in pm files containing strings |
| 16:51 | jcamins | Everything about the record editors is insanely bad. |
| 16:52 | I'm strictly against building HTML code in anything other than templates. | |
| 16:52 | cait | dito |
| 16:53 | the item form thing does it too | |
| 16:53 | and it's throwring warns | |
| 16:53 | jcamins | Oh LCNAF, how useless you are. |
| 16:53 | * cait | went there to fix them once... but couldn't figure it out |
| 16:53 | jcamins | Useless, do you hear me? Useless! |
| 16:54 | * chris_n | blinks |
| 16:54 | cait | hi chris_n |
| 16:54 | chris_n | jcamins: I'll be squashing the qotd work down and attaching it to the bug this afternoon |
| 16:54 | heya cait | |
| 16:55 | I did a bit more tweaking on the UI yesterday | |
| 16:55 | did I mention I dislike UI work? ;-) | |
| 16:55 | jcamins | chris_n: I'll try and take a look later this afternoon. |
| 17:00 | oleonard | $seeheading.= "<br /> <i>used for/see from:</i> ".$field->as_string(); |
| 17:00 | There it is. | |
| 17:01 | jcamins | Ummm... |
| 17:01 | Oh god my eyes my eyes | |
| 17:02 | :) | |
| 17:02 | Is there no way to stick that in the template? | |
| 17:04 | oleonard | Wow, and that's really old code too (relatively speaking) |
| 17:04 | chris_n | ich |
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| 17:05 | oleonard | Pre-2006 at least |
| 17:13 | cait | oleonard: it's evil |
| 17:13 | eeeevil | |
| 17:14 | perhaps before you spent time on fixing the autocomplete... we should fix it | |
| 17:14 | or someone fixes it .. and will break autocomplete again | |
| 17:16 | * cait | is only trying to get someone to fix it... *confessing* |
| 17:18 | jcamins | :O |
| 17:20 | (that was shock that you'd do such a thing) | |
| 17:20 | cait | heh |
| 17:20 | it's on my list of things I want to look at.... but the list is long | |
| 17:20 | so I wouldn't mind at all if someone else took care of it | |
| 17:20 | there is also a nice bug filed for it already | |
| 17:21 | jcamins | \o/ |
| 17:21 | cait | bug 7943 |
| 17:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7943 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Untranslatable strings in OPAC's authority search |
| 17:22 | cait | there is also the problem |
| 17:22 | that all authorities show up as default | |
| 17:22 | in staff detail view and in opac auth result list at least | |
| 17:22 | maybe in more places | |
| 17:22 | brb restart :) | |
| 17:22 | jcamins | Looking at the code, that's actually intentional, but I don't think it should be. |
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| 17:31 | cait | re |
| 17:32 | jcamins | mi |
| 17:35 | cait | mi? |
| 17:36 | jcamins | I thought we were singing. |
| 17:36 | cait | :) |
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| 18:04 | jcamins | Have I mentioned recently how far behind LCNAF lags the rest of the world? The name authority file of Spain is a joy to behold. |
| 18:10 | oleonard | jcamins: You can think of LCNAF as being like our schools, or our health care system. We make them just okay, but not too good because after that: socialism. |
| 18:10 | jcamins | oleonard: lol |
| 18:10 | Thanks. | |
| 18:10 | That clarifies a lot. | |
| 18:18 | wizzyrea | lol wow. |
| 18:19 | libsysguy | i like that explanation |
| 18:27 | * oleonard | thinks he has the authorities autocomplete working correctly with jQueryUI now. |
| 18:27 | jcamins | Woohoo! |
| 18:27 | oleonard++ | |
| 18:27 | oleonard | One more instance in cataloguing\value_builder\unimarc_field_210c_bis.tt :| |
| 18:32 | This is a very odd script: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1b66f7128;hb=HEAD | |
| 18:32 | jcamins | oleonard: it is. |
| 18:32 | oleonard | Why design a script to which you can pass a table for queries and then make it die if you pass the wrong table? |
| 18:33 | jcamins | oleonard: I fear to speculate. |
| 18:39 | cait | the name is weird too? |
| 18:39 | oleonard | ? |
| 18:39 | cait | ysearch |
| 18:39 | what is the y? | |
| 18:40 | jcamins | Yahoo. |
| 18:40 | cait | oh |
| 18:40 | oleonard | The first autocomplete script was called "ysearch" and each one after that has been named the same thing. |
| 18:40 | cait | ok |
| 18:40 | hm | |
| 18:40 | oleonard | I wonder why this doesn't work: http://localhost:8888/cgi-bin/[…]emtype&query=CIRC |
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| 18:41 | oleonard | Looking at the script it seems like it ought to |
| 18:44 | jcamins | oleonard: that is odd. |
| 18:45 | wizzyrea | ! the new UI only works in en I guesS? |
| 18:45 | guess? | |
| 18:45 | or is that part of your work getting them out of translated paths | |
| 18:45 | oleonard | Hunh? |
| 18:45 | wizzyrea | nm, I answered my own questions. |
| 18:45 | jcamins | wizzyrea: you need to rebuild your translations. |
| 18:45 | wizzyrea | right, I follow now |
| 18:46 | * wizzyrea | was accidentally in "en-nz" |
| 18:46 | wizzyrea | "oops I tripped and landed in NZ" |
| 18:46 | * wizzyrea | wishes |
| 18:46 | oleonard | Oh no, Nutella isn't healthy?! http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/bu[…]ps-health-claims/ |
| 18:46 | wizzyrea | damn, it's not working |
| 18:46 | not healthy, tasty tho. | |
| 18:47 | * oleonard | knew Nutella wasn't healthy from the amount of shame he feels when spooning it from the jar into his mouth |
| 18:47 | chris_n | don't tell my kids! |
| 18:48 | * wizzyrea | laughs at you all |
| 18:48 | * oleonard | doesn't suppose anyone has a UNIMARC demo lying around |
| 18:48 | wizzyrea | biblibre does |
| 18:49 | I think it's running master, not sure tho | |
| 18:49 | well | |
| 18:49 | and the sandboxes | |
| 18:49 | wahanui | the sandboxes are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes |
| 18:49 | wizzyrea | oleonard: use the sandboxes :P |
| 18:49 | (do try not to eat the sand though) | |
| 18:49 | jcamins | oleonard: lol |
| 18:50 | * wizzyrea | had a "only when you have kids" statement to add to the file |
| 18:50 | wizzyrea | "Don't put the silly putty in your underwear" |
| 18:50 | jcamins | You know what would be nifty? |
| 18:51 | wizzyrea | put it in your pocket! |
| 18:51 | * wizzyrea | is afraid it has to do with silly putty and underwear |
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| 18:51 | * wizzyrea | is thusly afraid to ask |
| 18:51 | jcamins | lol, no. |
| 18:51 | A bit of jQuery to insert a Google (or other) map of locations described in a record. | |
| 18:51 | wizzyrea | ok what would be nifty |
| 18:51 | yes, that would be nifty | |
| 18:51 | jcamins | If only the 751 had a unique class. |
| 18:52 | After I've finished making sure that I have 751s in all my records, maybe I'll do that. | |
| 18:54 | chris_n | ok, squashing time |
| 18:57 | wizzyrea | well, here, if nutella is too bad for you, make it yourself: http://www.allthelivelongday.c[…]elnut-spread.html |
| 18:58 | * oleonard | isn't sure where he would find 200g of hazelnuts around here |
| 18:58 | wizzyrea | I think we have them here in the bulk bin at the natural grocery |
| 18:58 | but i'm not totally certain about that | |
| 18:58 | jcamins | oleonard: I'd walk down the street. |
| 18:58 | To the store. | |
| 18:58 | oleonard | :P |
| 18:59 | * wizzyrea | thought jcamins was going to say "and pick them up off of the sidewalk" |
| 18:59 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 19:00 | No, though sometimes they do pour nuts on the sidewalk by accident. | |
| 19:00 | wizzyrea | not those kind of nuts. |
| 19:02 | *crickets* | |
| 19:09 | jcamins | Wait... |
| 19:09 | 751 doesn't even show up? | |
| 19:09 | * jcamins | had not noticed this before. |
| 19:09 | * oleonard | confirms that this works: http://pro.test2.biblibre.com/[…]=itemtype&query=d |
| 19:09 | jcamins | Okay, there is only one thing for it. |
| 19:09 | We are embedding the MARCXML in the OPAC. | |
| 19:10 | And by "we" I mean "me." | |
| 19:10 | And by "embedding" I mean "providing an option to." | |
| 19:10 | Is no one else offended by this? | |
| 19:11 | (the absence of 751) | |
| 19:11 | * oleonard | is not smart enough to be offended |
| 19:11 | jcamins | Sure you are. |
| 19:11 | It's easy. | |
| 19:11 | Just repeat after me: | |
| 19:11 | "Argh!" | |
| 19:12 | Do it a few times and you'll feel nice and offended. | |
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| 19:13 | jcamins | How does one embed MARCXML into a web page? |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | sekjal - bug 7998 plox and thank you |
| 19:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7998 minor, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Signed Off , 3.8 UI cleanup, tweaks to new styles |
| 19:18 | jcamins | You're kidding me... XHTML doesn't really do namespaces? |
| 19:18 | * wizzyrea | puts him to work |
| 19:18 | sekjal | wizzyrea: on it |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | sekjal++ |
| 19:19 | jcamins | Okay, fine, we'll slurp the data using opac-export.pl. |
| 19:19 | wizzyrea | oh speaking of slurping. |
| 19:19 | * wizzyrea | has to do an export |
| 19:20 | * jcamins | mutters angrily about totally missing the point of XML. |
| 19:20 | jcamins | Also, hi sekjal! |
| 19:21 | sekjal | hi, jcamins |
| 19:21 | chris_n | what language is git bz speaking when it borks thusly: Not an ancestor of HEAD, can't add bug URL to it |
| 19:21 | jcamins | chris_n: no idea. |
| 19:22 | never seen anything like that. | |
| 19:22 | chris_n | so much for the easy route :-P |
| 19:22 | * oleonard | is anxious to submit this patch but keeps finding rough edges |
| 19:22 | oleonard | impatient! |
| 19:24 | sekjal | wizzyrea: done |
| 19:24 | jcamins | Does anyone know where to find the code for the nifty collection analytics that the highschool students at Catalyst's open source academy did? |
| 19:24 | * sekjal | 's brain is mush today |
| 19:25 | jcamins | Dark chocolate whole wheat zucchini brownies. |
| 19:25 | :) | |
| 19:26 | wizzyrea | <3 thanks sekjal |
| 19:26 | * chris_n | spams patches@ |
| 19:26 | wizzyrea | chris_n: did you not include the bug number? |
| 19:26 | git bz attach xxxx HEAD | |
| 19:26 | chris_n | no, the bug # is there |
| 19:27 | wizzyrea | hm |
| 19:27 | jcamins | Fwoomp! |
| 19:27 | chris_n | but I did forget to put it in the patches to the list... arghhh |
| 19:27 | that stinks | |
| 19:27 | only for the recipients, of course... | |
| 19:32 | * chris_n | looks for sign-offs on bug 7977 now |
| 19:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7977 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Add a "Quote-of-the-day" feature to the OPAC homepage |
| 19:32 | chris_n | :-) |
| 19:39 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 19:39 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on April 28, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising). |
| 19:39 | oleonard | Happy Saturday rangi |
| 19:39 | rangi | It's pouring here |
| 19:40 | jcamins | rangi: oh, I'm glad you're here. |
| 19:40 | Did the open source academy students put their code for the collection analytics somewhere? | |
| 19:41 | rangi | It was all jQuery and reports |
| 19:41 | jcamins | I'm interested in the jQuery. :) |
| 19:41 | rangi | But it needs the reports webservices to be pushed |
| 19:41 | jcamins | Wasn't that already pushed? |
| 19:41 | rangi | Which stalled for some dumb reason |
| 19:41 | Nope | |
| 19:42 | * cait | hmpfs |
| 19:42 | jcamins | Hmph. |
| 19:42 | sekjal | rangi: did I derail that in QA? |
| 19:42 | I don't recall | |
| 19:43 | cait | the discussion aorund: we don#t need a system preference for memcache derailed it I think |
| 19:43 | while I still would like that a lot | |
| 19:43 | rangi | Nope it depends on koha::cache which got blocked by ppl shifting the config of memcache into env variables |
| 19:43 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 19:43 | rangi | Which kinda sux for multiple sites |
| 19:44 | jcamins | This explains why Koha::Cache vanished. |
| 19:44 | cait | or everyone not having access to the env variables... |
| 19:44 | * sekjal | reads the report... |
| 19:44 | rangi | Yep |
| 19:44 | sekjal | helps when you actually read things |
| 19:44 | jcamins | Right, so in order for this to work, the patch for Koha::Cache needs to check the environment variable? |
| 19:45 | rangi | Yep |
| 19:45 | jcamins | And then... |
| 19:45 | rangi | Well koha::cache::memcached anyway |
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| 19:46 | rangi | I want to write koha::cache::reddis too |
| 19:46 | mbalmer | Koha zum Gruss! |
| 19:46 | rangi | And even filecache |
| 19:47 | jcamins | So the requisite steps are: |
| 19:47 | 1) Rebase. | |
| 19:47 | 2) Have Koha::Cache::Memcached check the environment variable. | |
| 19:47 | 3) ? | |
| 19:47 | mbalmer | mveron, ayt? |
| 19:47 | rangi | Remove the syspref |
| 19:47 | cait | *sigh* |
| 19:48 | mveron | mbalmer: Yes, I am |
| 19:48 | jcamins | Okay, is there a step 4? |
| 19:48 | rangi | So hosted clients have to pay their vendor |
| 19:48 | Thats the bit I hate | |
| 19:49 | mbalmer | mveron, I think I will mail a description of the printing thingie to devel@ tomorrow |
| 19:49 | mveron | mbalmer: OK |
| 19:49 | chris_n | rangi: so is there any real advantage to having this in envvars? |
| 19:50 | cait | I think the reasoning was to cache the conf file |
| 19:50 | rangi | Caching the config file |
| 19:50 | cait | could we make other things depend on the syspref maybe? |
| 19:50 | so only caching the conf file would dpeend on the vars? | |
| 19:51 | ok... perhaps talking nonsense | |
| 19:51 | chris_n | so its a trade off between ease of configuration and speed, right? |
| 19:51 | rangi | Under persistance that benefit goes away |
| 19:51 | chris_n | ahh |
| 19:52 | sekjal | right now, the conf file is XML, parsed by XML::Simple |
| 19:52 | which sucks | |
| 19:52 | chris_n | will persistance be default with 3.10? |
| 19:52 | rangi | Since in persistant env you read it only once |
| 19:52 | sekjal | chris_n: I think that's a goal |
| 19:53 | chris_n | so are we not better off to skip the envvar foo and make it a syspref? |
| 19:53 | jcamins | I think I need to ground my chair. |
| 19:53 | * chris_n | hands jcamins his electrician's gloves |
| 19:54 | jcamins | Or I could just wear electrician gloves for typing. |
| 19:57 | mveron: don't mark a bug as fixed until the code fixing it is in master. | |
| 19:57 | Mark it either a duplicate, or mark that it depends on the bug that fixes it. | |
| 19:58 | rangi | Hmm we need koha::branches |
| 19:59 | Then the new branches plugin would be a lot better | |
| 19:59 | jcamins | What new branches plugin? |
| 19:59 | rangi | I saw it the other day |
| 20:00 | mveron | jcamins: OK, done, and thanks for advise, still learning :-) |
| 20:00 | rangi | Getbranchname |
| 20:00 | jcamins | :) |
| 20:00 | rangi | So u can do it in the template |
| 20:00 | Kyle did it | |
| 20:00 | It's still cool | |
| 20:00 | jcamins | :) |
| 20:01 | rangi | But would be cool if didn't use c4 |
| 20:01 | * sekjal | would like to get multi-level branch groups working, so consortia can mimic their internal structures |
| 20:01 | rangi | Yeah that would be cool |
| 20:03 | sekjal | and wire that to circ rules so rules could be defined at upper levels of the hierarchy, and then 'trickle down' to all children |
| 20:03 | rangi | My idea is $branch=koha::branch->new($code) |
| 20:03 | sekjal | or be overridden by branch-specific exceptions |
| 20:03 | rangi | If no code its an empty object |
| 20:04 | If code is valid, you now have accessors to all its values | |
| 20:04 | Can change one then run | |
| 20:04 | $branch->update | |
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| 20:05 | rangi | Writing code on my phone sux |
| 20:05 | I hope my laptop arrives soon | |
| 20:05 | jcamins | rangi: you're coding on your phone? |
| 20:06 | rangi | I gave up |
| 20:06 | jcamins | Understandable. |
| 20:06 | wahanui | rumour has it Understandable. is why i was running it against a local copy |
| 20:06 | jcamins | The time has come to map stuff. |
| 20:07 | wizzyrea | forget understandable |
| 20:07 | rangi | $branch->parent |
| 20:07 | And child | |
| 20:07 | wizzyrea | forget understandable. |
| 20:07 | wahanui: forget Understandable. | |
| 20:07 | wahanui | wizzyrea, I didn't have anything matching understandable |
| 20:07 | rangi | For sekjal |
| 20:07 | * wizzyrea | gives up |
| 20:08 | sekjal | rangi: cool |
| 20:08 | jcamins | Bah. |
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| 20:09 | jcamins | Now to use jQuery to retrieve an XML document and locate a particular piece of data in it. |
| 20:10 | rangi | Hmm can a branch have multiple parents? |
| 20:11 | jcamins | Wow, jQuery makes handling DOM really easy, doesn't it? |
| 20:11 | rangi | Yep |
| 20:12 | sekjal | rangi: depends on the data structure we want to enforce |
| 20:12 | tree v. thesaurus | |
| 20:13 | rangi | Right |
| 20:13 | sekjal | I lean towards tree |
| 20:13 | oleonard | Have a good weekend everyone |
| 20:13 | * oleonard | waves |
| 20:13 | rangi | *nod* |
| 20:13 | cait | bye oleonard |
| 20:13 | sekjal | bye, oleonard |
| 20:13 | cait | you too |
| 20:13 | rangi | Cya |
| 20:14 | jcamins | Now if only I could figure out how to specify that I want a 751 with a subfield 4 with the value pup. |
| 20:14 | Oh, cool. | |
| 20:14 | :contains | |
| 20:16 | cait | publication place? |
| 20:16 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 20:16 | Okay, this is a little tricky. | |
| 20:18 | I have here an AJAXy thing. | |
| 20:18 | I don't really know how to debug it. | |
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| 20:43 | * mveron | Playing around with Firefox language settings regarding Bug 3754, has to shut down FF andChatZilla |
| 20:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3754 critical, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED , Language detection doesn't take really care of syspref |
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| 20:55 | sekjal | okay, time for rest. have a good weekend, #koha |
| 21:06 | edveal | Anyone know if there is a way to turn the links off on the Koha self-check system? Apparently a user can click on the title link and it takes them to the opac and then they can log off the self-check system. |
| 21:06 | wizzyrea | oughta be doable with jquery? |
| 21:09 | edveal | You would think but can't get jquery to the selfcheck yet.. Someone has a patch to fix that though! :) |
| 21:16 | wizzyrea | hehe yea i forgot about that :) |
| 21:17 | then you're down to modifying the templates | |
| 21:17 | in my mind it's fixed :P | |
| 21:17 | edveal | That was my fear... Thanks! |
| 21:17 | And it will be fixed! :) | |
| 21:17 | jcamins | Speaking o fixing things, I look forward to paul_p pushing your fixes. |
| 21:18 | *of | |
| 21:18 | Also, does anyone have a teeny tiny icon of a map that's CC licensed? | |
| 21:18 | wizzyrea | i look forward to that too. |
| 21:19 | actually I'm not sure if the jquery on selfcheck ever made it through qa | |
| 21:19 | jcamins | Ah, perfect. |
| 21:19 | MP.png | |
| 21:20 | :) | |
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| 21:23 | jcamins | Okay... |
| 21:24 | Adding max length to the framework editor? | |
| 21:24 | Terrible idea. | |
| 21:24 | Now when you add a subfield, you can't change it in the editor and there's no indication why. | |
| 21:30 | magnuse | ouch! |
| 21:30 | g'night #koha! | |
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| 21:45 | wizzyrea | @later tell sekjal bug 7953 ok now? |
| 21:45 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | also anyone who wants to sign off on that is certainly welcome. |
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| 21:52 | mveron | I wondered why I loose Staff client and Opac language selection between browser sessions. Found out, that the Cookie KohaOpacLanguage expires when the browser is closed. |
| 21:52 | This behaviour is due to sub setlanguagecookie, whre no expiry date is given (-expires => '') | |
| 21:52 | Is this by design? If yes, what is the reason for? | |
| 21:52 | edveal left #koha | |
| 21:52 | jcamins | Success! |
| 21:52 | :D | |
| 21:53 | mveron: that seems like a bug. | |
| 21:54 | mveron | jcamins: I supposed so. Will file it. |
| 21:56 | jcamins | mveron: if it is by design, someone will tell you so and close the bug. |
| 21:57 | mveron | jcamins: ...or discuss it. If I select a language, I expect to find it back in the next session. The librarians in our group complained about. |
| 21:57 | jcamins | How do you get mouseover text on an image? |
| 21:57 | mveron: yeah, I'm having a lot of trouble coming up with any explanation that makes that into a feature not a bug. | |
| 21:57 | In fact, I feel like that might be a regression of a bug that was fixed before. | |
| 21:59 | mveron | jcamins: I found some bugs related to automatic language detection and one about insecure use of Cookie for language selection |
| 21:59 | but I did not have the impression that expiry date is a security issue | |
| 22:08 | jcamins | jquery wiki? |
| 22:08 | jquery? | |
| 22:08 | wahanui | jquery is probably client side, so it doesn't have anything to do with the templating system |
| 22:08 | jcamins | jquery library? |
| 22:08 | wahanui | jquery library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library |
| 22:13 | jcamins | Does anyone want to see something cool? |
| 22:13 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]map_the_publisher.27s_location | |
| 22:16 | ^^ that is cool | |
| 22:16 | * jcamins | adds a slightly less sophisticated map to his demo. |
| 22:17 | mveron | Cool. Really. |
| 22:18 | jcamins | Tolja. :) |
| 22:30 | mveron | Wow |
| 22:34 | jcamins | I also started organizing the jQuery library somewhat. |
| 22:34 | It was getting unwieldy. | |
| 22:35 | @later tell magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]map_the_publisher.27s_location | |
| 22:35 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:39 | * mveron | Has to logout from all browser sessions to test solution for Bug 8019 |
| 22:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8019 major, P2, ---, veron, ASSIGNED , Preserve language choice between Browser sessions |
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| 23:03 | jcamins | mveron: what other useful enhanced content could be added to the OPAC? |
| 23:05 | mveron | Preserve language choice? - Bug 8019 ready for signoff :-) |
| 23:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8019 major, P2, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Preserve language choice between Browser sessions |
| 23:06 | mveron | jcamins: I think there would be some possibilities with lists. |
| 23:07 | jcamins | How do you mean? |
| 23:07 | mveron | As far as I see they are displayed in the Drop down list only, would be nice to have a page where thy could be displayed in an organized way. |
| 23:08 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 23:08 | That's not what I meant. | |
| 23:08 | I meant like what I did with the mapping, and linking out to wikipedia. | |
| 23:08 | mveron | Ok, understood, you mean jQuery things? |
| 23:08 | jcamins | Right. |
| 23:09 | * mveron | Pondering... |
| 23:10 | chris_n | jcamins: console.log(foo) is your friend |
| 23:10 | mveron | Don't get it.... ? |
| 23:11 | jcamins | chris_n: yeah, I got it working. |
| 23:11 | See my very cool demo. :) | |
| 23:11 | mveron | Ah, mistaked |
| 23:12 | chris_n | jcamins: where? |
| 23:13 | mveron: sorry, that was directed @ jcamins jQuery :) | |
| 23:15 | jcamins: cool | |
| 23:15 | maybe zoom in on the address? | |
| 23:16 | jcamins | chris_n: that'd be hard since it's not in the data. ;) |
| 23:16 | Right now I'm working on adding Wikipedia links for authors. | |
| 23:17 | chris_n | very nice work |
| 23:17 | jcamins | I'm having some issues getting it to cooperate both for names with dates *and* names with... wait, names with dates? |
| 23:18 | mveron | jcamins: Wikipedia - Good idea! |
| 23:18 | * jcamins | ponders |
| 23:18 | jcamins | That makes no sense at all. |
| 23:18 | Does it? | |
| 23:19 | No, it doesn't. | |
| 23:19 | PG just has invalid records. | |
| 23:20 | chris_n | PG? |
| 23:20 | wahanui | rumour has it PG is not universally faster (try running Drupal on it, for example.) Also, MySQL wasn't chosen so much as happened due to critical mass |
| 23:20 | chris_n | lol |
| 23:20 | jcamins | Project Gutenberg. |
| 23:21 | mveron | jcamins: Project Gutenberg would be nice as well |
| 23:22 | Oh, very late now. Good night everybody! | |
| 23:29 | jcamins | chris_n: any suggestions for additional nifty links I can jQuery into existence? |
| 23:29 | chris_n | internet archive? |
| 23:30 | google books | |
| 23:30 | jcamins | Ooh, yeah. |
| 23:30 | Actually, no need for jQuery there. | |
| 23:30 | I could just use the Search for this title in. | |
| 23:30 | Wait, don't we already have that? | |
| 23:30 | chris_n | we have an additional search iirc |
| 23:30 | on the item page | |
| 23:31 | jcamins | We have Google Scholar, not Google Books. |
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