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| 00:01 | eythian | oh dear, the indexdata apt repo signing keys have expired. |
| 00:02 | that's going to cause some people some confusion | |
| 00:18 | chris_n | wahanui: confusion is the inability to think with your usual speed or clarity, including feeling disoriented and having difficulty paying attention, remembering, and making decisions. |
| 00:18 | wahanui | OK, chris_n. |
| 00:19 | * chris_n | definitely has those symptoms when apt acts up |
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| 01:50 | chris_n | fwiw, here's a screencast of the editor: http://www.screencast.com/t/P1F4TzzCb |
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| 02:25 | pongtawat | Hello Koha... |
| 02:25 | rangi | hi pongtawat |
| 02:25 | chris_n++ | |
| 02:26 | pongtawat | I would like to have some help :) |
| 02:27 | rangi | ask away |
| 02:27 | pongtawat | When we use Zebra with ICU, does it support first-in-field, startswithnt ? |
| 02:27 | rangi | oh, hmm you are best asking that on the koha-devel mailing list, the people who know the answer to that, will all be asleep |
| 02:27 | mailing lists? | |
| 02:27 | wahanui | mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 02:28 | pongtawat | Oh |
| 02:28 | Ok, thank you, I will try the mailing list | |
| 02:34 | rangi | good luck :) |
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| 02:55 | chris_n | rangi: https://github.com/cnighswonge[…]ancement/bug_7977 |
| 03:03 | rangi | coolio |
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| 03:32 | Amit_Gupta | heya bag |
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| 04:27 | eythian | wahanui: Newfoundland is the Untitled Document of place names. |
| 04:27 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
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| 04:34 | guille | hello everybody, Installing Koha 4.08 I get Can't call method "id" on an undefined value at InstallAuth.pm line 279. when i tried get the webinstall .pl |
| 04:34 | any suggeted to point me to the right way ? | |
| 04:35 | rangi | hi guille, do you mean Liblime Koha 4.08 ? |
| 04:35 | if so, we can't really help you here | |
| 04:35 | we all work on Koha itself | |
| 04:35 | at http://koha-community.org | |
| 04:35 | guille | yea rangi , i mean that |
| 04:35 | rangi | and the latest released version of Koha is 3.6.4 |
| 04:36 | guille | where can i download it ? |
| 04:36 | rangi | Liblime Koha is a fork, and only maintained by liblime you would need to talk to them |
| 04:36 | click on thte download link on that site i pasted above | |
| 04:37 | http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ | |
| 04:37 | guille | thanks rangi , im going to talk with the Liblime guys first |
| 04:37 | rangi | each to their own :) if you want to join the Koha open source project, you know where we are |
| 05:27 | mtj | ... i guess guille is about to click that liblime deleted their spanish Koha files long ago :) |
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| 05:28 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 05:28 | eythian | hi cait |
| 05:28 | bye cait | |
| 05:28 | cait | hi ey |
| 05:29 | hi eythian | |
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| 06:06 | magnuse | kia ora #koha! |
| 06:09 | cait | hi magnuse |
| 06:09 | magnuse | guten morgen cait |
| 06:11 | bbiab | |
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| 06:31 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:31 | wahanui | hola, reiveune |
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| 06:38 | alex_a | bonjour #koha |
| 06:39 | francharb | morning #koha |
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| 06:50 | julian_m | hi |
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| 07:01 | asaurat | hi |
| 07:01 | wahanui | bonjour, asaurat |
| 07:03 | rangi | Evening |
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| 07:04 | magnuse | bonjour france, bonne nuit rangi |
| 07:05 | esofiane | hello #koha |
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| 07:12 | samuel | hi everybody! |
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| 07:18 | clrh | hello |
| 07:18 | kf | hi clrh |
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| 08:21 | slef | faq? |
| 08:21 | wahanui | it has been said that faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ |
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| 08:27 | mtj | anyone know how the 'atomicupdate' stuff works ? |
| 08:32 | kf | no, never used it |
| 08:32 | * magnuse | neither |
| 08:33 | kf | and hi mtj :) |
| 08:34 | mtj | i just pulled a patch to QA, with an the atomicupdate file, and the update didnt work |
| 08:34 | twas bug-7430 | |
| 08:35 | magnuse | bug 7430 |
| 08:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7430 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jcamins, Signed Off , ModZebra should not be in C4::Biblio |
| 08:36 | slef | @query atomic update |
| 08:36 | huginn | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements |
| 08:36 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Signed Off , Hourly Loans | |
| 08:36 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5436 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, guillaume.hatt, Pushed to Master , Extended patron attributes display improvements | |
| 08:36 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7184 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , have mysql returning errors | |
| 08:38 | slef | mtj: pretty sure it's bug 7167 |
| 08:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements |
| 09:01 | mtj | back now slef |
| 09:01 | no its bugz 7430 | |
| 09:01 | and this update here.... | |
| 09:02 | [head-dev/.git] / installer / data / mysql / atomicupdate / bug_7430_add_searchengine_syspref | |
| 09:02 | the patch seems to work fine (thats good ) | |
| 09:02 | but that update doesnt run | |
| 09:03 | http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=he[…]add381f9954a3e1e7 | |
| 09:03 | slef | mtj: no, the atomicupdate stuff is described in bug 7167 |
| 09:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements |
| 09:03 | mtj | no ''SearchEngine'' syspref gets added, and the zebra syspref is not deleted |
| 09:04 | slef | you asked how it works... I'm just pointing at the docs... I've not tested it |
| 09:04 | mtj | ah, ok :) /me looks... |
| 09:05 | hmm, that hasnt been pushed yet | |
| 09:07 | thats the new atomicupdate method, still in sign-off | |
| 09:08 | rangi | mtj: Paul knows |
| 09:10 | mtj | heh, the biblibre peeps have still to discover irc-proxies... |
| 09:10 | rangi | :) |
| 09:12 | mtj | hmm, theres only 2 hits for 'atomicupdate' in the codebase |
| 09:12 | i expected more :/ | |
| 09:12 | rangi | I think you just have to run the files manually |
| 09:12 | Until they are pushed | |
| 09:13 | Then Paul does something with updatedatabase | |
| 09:14 | mtj | yeah, looks that way |
| 09:16 | the RM is sposed to cut/paste that atomicupdate/*.pl file to bottom of the updatedatabase.pl file? | |
| 09:17 | rangi | Pass |
| 09:17 | mtj | looks like a nice opportunity for a mistake :) |
| 09:17 | magnuse | mtj: or make updatedatabase run the file: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]database.pl#l4936 |
| 09:18 | see line 4939 | |
| 09:20 | mtj | aah yep, thanks magnuse |
| 09:27 | actually, there was only *one* hit for 'atomicupdate' with grep (the line wrapped :) ) | |
| 09:29 | kf | @later tell paul_p don't forget to add mveron to the history.txt :) |
| 09:29 | huginn | kf: The operation succeeded. |
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| 09:39 | kf | mveron++ :) |
| 09:39 | hi gaetan_B | |
| 09:39 | mveron | hi kf |
| 09:40 | kf | thx for signing off .) |
| 09:40 | :) | |
| 09:40 | mveron | kf: Patch first did not apply, could resolve it using git am -iu3 temp |
| 09:40 | kf | yay! |
| 09:40 | mveron | Hope it is OK... |
| 09:40 | kf | did it just apply with the second command or did you have to fix conflicts too? |
| 09:41 | mveron | I had to fix congflicts in the file |
| 09:41 | Conflicts | |
| 09:41 | Followed http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]olve_Merge_Issues | |
| 09:42 | kf | if it tested ok |
| 09:42 | I think it shoudl be alright | |
| 09:43 | hm | |
| 09:43 | To fix this conflict you will need to delete all but “our $VERSION = '3.01.00.045';” << this is a bit dangerous | |
| 09:43 | sometimes you want to check it still does the same thing | |
| 09:43 | and have to really merge something, like when we changed the capitalization in the templates | |
| 09:44 | mveron | What can I do to see if everything is OK? |
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| 10:03 | vinod | my koha does not gives any result when cliking the option Limit to currently available items on opac |
| 10:09 | kf | vinod: I think that's a known bug |
| 10:13 | vinod | how can i resolve it |
| 10:13 | hdl | vinod: well, there is some way to hide that "feature" |
| 10:14 | which actually as things stand is not working perfectly. | |
| 10:14 | vinod | koha 3.6 i am trying to use on a ready made installation cd |
| 10:15 | hdl | vinod: the problem is that availability and display is computed at biblio level where availability for checkout is an item matter there fore if you have one item checkedout, the whole record is hidden |
| 10:16 | vinod | another thing is if there are two books in a item than after issueing one book opac display no items available |
| 10:18 | although after runing the zebra opac shows one item availble and one checked out | |
| 10:19 | please help we have many type of items under one biblio record like reference books, general, book bank etc | |
| 10:19 | kf | vinod: that shoudl not happen - if yo have 2 books |
| 10:20 | did you set up your cronjobs for regular reindexing? | |
| 10:20 | vinod | no |
| 10:20 | magnuse | bug 7012 |
| 10:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7012 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , limit to available not limiting anymore |
| 10:20 | vinod | please let me know how to do the job |
| 10:21 | kf | vinod: it's in the installing instructions |
| 10:21 | vinod | ok i will do that |
| 10:21 | magnuse | Bug 4481 |
| 10:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4481 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, koha.sekjal, Failed QA , Search's Limit to Available filters out many available items |
| 10:21 | kf | hdl: I was wondering about paul_p - do you know when he will be back? |
| 10:22 | vinod | pleae tell me how to enter if we have 20 copy of a book out of which 5 in reference,5 general, 10 book bank |
| 10:23 | hdl | kf iirc tomorrow |
| 10:23 | kf | hdl: not alot of time left and we have some evil bugs waiting for our rm |
| 10:23 | vinod | can we enter one biblio and than separate items in 952 field? |
| 10:24 | please resolve above | |
| 10:24 | mveron | kf: Will be back in about 2 hours |
| 10:24 | hdl | Is there patch for those bugs ? |
| 10:25 | kf | @later tell mveron - looked at the patch, makes all sense to me and you tested - so don't worry :) |
| 10:25 | huginn | kf: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:25 | vinod | can we enter one biblio and than separate items in 952 field if we have many copy of a perticular book |
| 10:25 | hdl | vinod: yes you can. |
| 10:26 | kf | vinod: yes, that's how it works |
| 10:26 | vinod | ok thangs will it affect the hold policy if we set it item wise |
| 10:26 | because biblio is same for all | |
| 10:27 | shelving location is mandatory? | |
| 10:28 | kf | circulation rules work on item level |
| 10:28 | we do that a lot here - having one item for in-house use only and other items for checkout on the same record | |
| 10:28 | it will work | |
| 10:29 | what you want is using different itemtypes for items with different loan policies | |
| 10:30 | vinod | is there any way so that the call number should automatically picked up from 082 field to 952$o field bcz i dont have call number in marc format along with each item |
| 10:31 | i wanted to import the data | |
| 10:32 | slef | it's not required for all copies of a book to have the same callnumber so if yours do, I feel you should put callnumber into 952$o before importing |
| 10:33 | you could map callnumber to 082 in the Koha-MARC configuration but I'd be worried that something may break or misbehave then | |
| 10:35 | vinod | thanks for a good technical answer but our data base is having same call number for same copy of a title so i wanted solution |
| 10:36 | please tell me is it advisable to use Koha CD for atomatic installation of all the packages | |
| 10:37 | and which version would be good more stable for begining | |
| 10:39 | slef | I'd use http://debian.koha-community.org rather than any CD and I'd start with version 3.6.4 today. |
| 10:44 | vinod | how can i above i do not have much idea about linux |
| 10:44 | is there any way to install automatically like Koha CD | |
| 10:49 | magnuse | vinod: have a look at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
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| 11:09 | slef | svc? |
| 11:09 | svc api? | |
| 11:09 | wahanui | svc api is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ha_/svc/_HTTP_API |
| 11:10 | slef | The server at wiki.koha-community.org is taking too long to respond |
| 11:10 | and it's back | |
| 11:18 | @seen dpavlin_away | |
| 11:18 | huginn | slef: dpavlin_away was last seen in #koha 22 weeks, 2 days, 0 hours, 46 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <dpavlin_away> Carl: do you have more than 1000 results by any chance? Zebra ignores sort order with more than 1000 (but configurable in Zebra configuration) results |
| 11:18 | slef | @seen dpavlin |
| 11:18 | huginn | slef: dpavlin was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 3 days, 13 hours, 22 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: * dpavlin waves and goes to sleep... |
| 11:19 | slef | that's some sleep |
| 11:20 | kf | slef: perhaps try to write him an email - I think he does not read the chat frequently |
| 11:20 | magnuse | @seen dpavlin_ |
| 11:20 | huginn | magnuse: dpavlin_ was last seen in #koha 1 week, 5 days, 21 hours, 22 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <dpavlin_> chris_n++ |
| 11:20 | magnuse | @seen dpavlin_away |
| 11:20 | huginn | magnuse: dpavlin_away was last seen in #koha 22 weeks, 2 days, 0 hours, 48 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <dpavlin_away> Carl: do you have more than 1000 results by any chance? Zebra ignores sort order with more than 1000 (but configurable in Zebra configuration) results |
| 11:24 | slef | found http://www.rot13.org/~dpavlin/gpgkey.asc using email address from it |
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| 11:24 | slef | dpavlinfoi.hr |
| 11:24 | http://www.rot13.org/~dpavlin/cv-en.html has a different one | |
| 11:24 | confusing | |
| 11:24 | wahanui | confusing is "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?" |
| 11:25 | slef | going with rot13 |
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| 11:25 | kf | slef: I think that's what I have seen him using |
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| 12:07 | kf | hi dpavlin :) |
| 12:07 | dpavlin | hi all. I have Zoterro problem. |
| 12:08 | kf | what is your problem? |
| 12:09 | dpavlin | It seems that Zoterro on OPAC display page uses unapi which has wrong document type (document and not book) |
| 12:09 | In 3.4 it used CoinS (allthough there is also unapi data on page) | |
| 12:09 | kf | in result list or on detail page? |
| 12:09 | dpavlin | This makes zottero icon wrong (white document instead of blue book) |
| 12:09 | detail page. Result list uses CoinS | |
| 12:10 | kf | hmm |
| 12:10 | not sure | |
| 12:10 | I was thinking about COinSinOPACResults | |
| 12:11 | system prefernece | |
| 12:11 | but this only affects results as it seems | |
| 12:11 | dpavlin | I'm allmost thinking that we had corrupted unapi in 3.4 so that zotero picked CoinS instead. |
| 12:12 | kf | that's not impossible |
| 12:12 | there have been some bugs | |
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| 12:12 | dpavlin | It seems that it prefers unapi, but then we are delivering wrong type (allthough meta-data included in our html look ok) |
| 12:12 | kf | hi oleonard |
| 12:12 | bug 4018 | |
| 12:12 | jcamins_away | dpavlin: our COinS and unapi implementations are... poor. |
| 12:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4018 blocker, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Coins support problems and xslt |
| 12:13 | kf | bug 4901 |
| 12:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4901 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Title & Subtitle w/out space in Zotero |
| 12:13 | jcamins_away | Somewhere or other I think I have an un-rebased patch that helps. |
| 12:13 | dpavlin | jcamins_away: that would be great! |
| 12:13 | oleonard | Hi everyone |
| 12:14 | jcamins_away | Not sure exactly where. |
| 12:15 | dpavlin: https://github.com/jcamins/koha/commits/nnan2 | |
| 12:16 | The COinS commits. | |
| 12:17 | dpavlin | jcamins_away: Do you think it would make sense to open bug for it? |
| 12:17 | I can extract COinS improvement from your commits and attach it to bug if you don't mind | |
| 12:18 | jcamins_away | dpavlin: some of that code made it into Koha, I think. |
| 12:18 | But, yeah, definitely worth incorporating what isn't in Koha yet. | |
| 12:18 | kf | 9989 words need attention - yay! |
| 12:18 | vinod | please tell me is it bug when i am cliking Limit to currently available items on opac it does not shows any result |
| 12:19 | jcamins_away | vinod: Limit to currently available items doesn't work. |
| 12:19 | dpavlin | Ok, I'll try to get Zottero play nice with our OPAC detail page and if I manage to fix it open the bug. |
| 12:19 | vinod | means it is bug in 3.6 |
| 12:20 | jcamins_away | vinod: it's a bug in every version of Koha, yes. It's already been reported. |
| 12:20 | vinod | but i have seen in many sites it is working fine |
| 12:21 | please check at http://115.119.172.72/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl | |
| 12:21 | jcamins_away | vinod: no it isn't, you just didn't realize that it was giving you inaccurate results. |
| 12:21 | Sorry. :( | |
| 12:21 | vinod | ok there may be result but not currect? |
| 12:21 | jcamins_away | Right. |
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| 12:23 | vinod | please tell me is it advisable to use koha live cd for 3.6 version on production machine |
| 12:23 | jcamins_away | vinod: I probably wouldn't, but I suppose there is no reason you couldn't. |
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| 12:25 | vinod | i do not know much about linux so want friendly installation, is there any way other than live cd to do the job |
| 12:25 | kf | packages |
| 12:25 | wahanui | package info is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze |
| 12:26 | magnuse | wahanui: forget packages |
| 12:26 | wahanui | magnuse: I forgot packages |
| 12:26 | magnuse | package info is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 12:26 | packages | |
| 12:26 | packages? | |
| 12:27 | packages info is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 12:27 | packages? | |
| 12:27 | vinod | which is more stable version to use now, and which should i use as a beginer |
| 12:27 | magnuse | packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 12:27 | packages? | |
| 12:27 | wahanui | it has been said that packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 12:27 | vinod | which is more stable version to use now, and which should i use as a beginer |
| 12:27 | magnuse | vinod: version 3.6.4 is the stable one |
| 12:28 | it's the one you will get if you install using this method: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
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| 12:28 | kf1 | vinod: use the current stable release that is installed with the packages |
| 12:28 | vinod | live cd is also available on sourceforge can i use it? |
| 12:28 | wahanui | okay, vinod. |
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| 12:30 | vinod | can i remove Limit to currently available items from opac as it is not working, how |
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| 12:49 | vinod | how can i remove Limit to currently available items from opac as it is not working? |
| 12:50 | OPACItemsResultsDisplay does not shows call number in opac | |
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| 13:22 | drojf | good day #koha |
| 13:26 | slef: any idea what time kohacon is approximately going to start and hackfest going to end? my application form requires times for that | |
| 13:30 | oleonard | dpavlin_away: I've attached a follow-up for Bug 7500 without the logo |
| 13:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7500 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Use CSS Sprites for faster page loading |
| 13:31 | oleonard | I'd be interested in other opinions about whether that's a better option |
| 13:31 | slef | drojf: 0930 doors open, hackfest end maybe 1630 but ask kf |
| 13:33 | * kf1 | waves |
| 13:34 | oleonard | Hi kf1 |
| 13:34 | drojf | hi kf1 :) |
| 13:34 | kf1 | drojf: perhaps ask me tomorrow? I am going to write something up tonight after volunteer's meeting hopefully |
| 13:34 | drojf | now now now |
| 13:34 | :D | |
| 13:34 | kf | then take slef's |
| 13:35 | I think it will be harder to make people go | |
| 13:35 | then to make them stay until 16:30 | |
| 13:35 | drojf | i guess i write 1800 so they dont get the idea i should fly home that day :D |
| 13:35 | kf | heh |
| 13:36 | drojf | seems impossible with 1630 either. yeah :) |
| 13:36 | kf | well technically it is possible |
| 13:36 | drojf | yes with a 10 hour flight and 7 hours in frankfurt or something like that |
| 13:36 | or even worse | |
| 13:38 | * Guest677 | waves |
| 13:38 | Guest677 | erm |
| 13:38 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 13:38 | oleonard | Hi wizzyrea |
| 13:39 | wizzyrea | sup peeps |
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| 13:44 | kf | hi wizzyrea |
| 13:44 | :) | |
| 13:44 | wizzyrea | how is kohaland today |
| 13:45 | kf | sunny I think :) |
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| 14:15 | jcamins | kf: Chester says hi. |
| 14:15 | kf | aaw |
| 14:15 | wednesday! | |
| 14:15 | wahanui | it has been said that wednesday is fine for me |
| 14:15 | kf | jcamins: pat Chester from me? |
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| 14:17 | * jcamins | did so. |
| 14:19 | kf | thx :) |
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| 14:22 | Morthland11 | How do I set the default framework for cataloging? |
| 14:23 | jcamins | Morthland11: you don't need to. Just use whichever framework you want when you create a record. |
| 14:23 | Morthland11: or modify the Default framework. | |
| 14:23 | Morthland11 | i mean, |
| 14:24 | after I do a z39.50 search, I'd like it to default to Books | |
| 14:25 | jcamins | Hm. If you do a Z39.50 search after choosing the Books framework, I think it stays the same. |
| 14:25 | Morthland11 | yeah. |
| 14:26 | One more question, how do I create another staff? Just as a new patron? Right now I am using the admin account | |
| 14:26 | For cataloging | |
| 14:26 | oleonard | Yes, add a new patron |
| 14:26 | kf | Morthland11: never use the admin account |
| 14:26 | oleonard | And give them the permissions you want for them |
| 14:26 | kf | Morthland11: create a staff user for yourself too and only use the admin account when updating koha to a newer version |
| 14:27 | * wizzyrea | thinks we should put the biggest most annoying alert ever on every page when people use the db user as their login. |
| 14:27 | wizzyrea | and/or make creating the initial user part of the web installer. |
| 14:27 | and give the db user no login rights. | |
| 14:27 | kf | wizzyrea: +1 |
| 14:27 | jcamins | I don't really know, though. I never, ever use frameworks. |
| 14:27 | And I encourage everyone I work with not to use anything other than the Default framework, too. | |
| 14:28 | Yes, patrons. | |
| 14:28 | wizzyrea: I think both of those are good ideas. | |
| 14:28 | Maybe even all three. | |
| 14:28 | * oleonard | encourages paul_p to push his patch for Bug 7962 |
| 14:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7962 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Cart missing from result lists |
| 14:28 | kf | wizzyrea: the problem is, you would have to force them to create alibrary, create a patron category... and so on |
| 14:28 | wizzyrea: it's not so easy :( | |
| 14:28 | * paul_p | will go pushing in a few mings |
| 14:28 | paul_p | (starting by some BLO/CRI patches) |
| 14:28 | Morthland11 | how do you give permissions |
| 14:29 | paul_p | s/mings/mins/ |
| 14:29 | * wizzyrea | thinks a single library definition should be part of the web installer too |
| 14:29 | wizzyrea | and perhaps even a default patron category of "staff" |
| 14:29 | by default, regardless of what you do | |
| 14:29 | kf | paul_p: can you take a look at bug 7975 too? It's not in your qa list, because needs arevert |
| 14:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7975 blocker, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't use patron import |
| 14:29 | jcamins | paul_p: don't push bug 7430 for 3.8. |
| 14:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7430 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jcamins, Passed QA , ModZebra should not be in C4::Biblio |
| 14:30 | kf | wizzyrea: *cough* translations *cough* |
| 14:30 | wizzyrea | does the web installer come in a translation other than english? |
| 14:30 | kf | of course |
| 14:30 | wizzyrea | also, you'd just add that to your languages' default db |
| 14:30 | paul_p | jcamins I don't plan to push 7430 for 3.8. It adds nothing (except cleaning), so no need to hurry |
| 14:31 | jcamins | paul_p: good. |
| 14:31 | paul_p: I just wanted to make sure you noticed that it wasn't for 3.8. ;) | |
| 14:31 | kf | wizzyrea: only saying not so easy - I think going with a big annoying message and instructions woudl be good |
| 14:31 | wizzyrea | so you pick a language when you start, it imports that languages's defaults |
| 14:31 | sorry, bad apostrophe use. | |
| 14:31 | kf | big and red - you don't have created a library - DO THAT NOW - you don't have a patron category for staff - DO THAT NOW... so on |
| 14:33 | oleonard | "You haven't read the shelves in juvenile non-fiction in over three years DO THAT NOW" |
| 14:33 | wizzyrea | You haven't weeded the non-fiction in 10 years - someone just died because of outdated diabetes information - DO THAT NOW" |
| 14:34 | * jcamins | wishes that wizzyrea's example didn't hit so close to home. |
| 14:34 | kf | lol |
| 14:35 | wizzyrea: you said it should be annoyng... | |
| 14:35 | wizzyrea | hehe I did |
| 14:35 | jcamins | wizzyrea: incorrect apostrophe use is very annoying. :P |
| 14:35 | wizzyrea | I know, sorry |
| 14:36 | Morthland11 | I still cant figure out permissions |
| 14:36 | oleonard | What about them Morthland11? |
| 14:36 | jcamins | wizzyrea: no, I'm saying that's a good thing. |
| 14:36 | ;) | |
| 14:36 | wizzyrea | patron -> details -> more -> permissions |
| 14:36 | Morthland11 | Thank you |
| 14:36 | oleonard | manual? |
| 14:36 | wahanui | manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation |
| 14:36 | jcamins | koha instructional videos? |
| 14:36 | videos? | |
| 14:36 | wahanui | videos are found at http://www.youtube.com/group/kohails and http://vimeo.com/channels/kohails |
| 14:36 | jcamins | ^^ there we go - there's a video explaining how to do this |
| 14:48 | slef | is it possible to install 3.7 not in English? |
| 14:49 | kf | slef: I think most installations are not finished yet - but it shoud work? |
| 14:49 | opac for german is done if you want to do some tests :) I have still over 9000 for staff to translate... | |
| 15:01 | slef | kf: I think it's not offering the choice of anything except en for intranet in the webinstaller, is it? |
| 15:01 | jcamins | Why separate packages for Perl and non-Perl dependencies? |
| 15:01 | kf | slef: ah reight - you have to create the templates first |
| 15:02 | slef: the list you see depends on your installed templates | |
| 15:02 | wizzyrea | perhaps for the next release we should do some sprucing to the web installer. |
| 15:02 | slef | kf: agh I knew I was forgetting something. Checking INSTALL file |
| 15:02 | kf | sprucing? |
| 15:03 | wizzyrea | improvements, spring cleaning |
| 15:03 | kf | ah |
| 15:03 | * oleonard | is annoyed at the radio buttons/checkboxes in the installer with no working <label> |
| 15:03 | tried to fix them once and found too much of a mess in how they were generated | |
| 15:03 | * wizzyrea | makes a wiki page for web installer improvements. |
| 15:03 | kf | I think a note about the languages on the first step would be great |
| 15:03 | wizzyrea | and files a bug about same. |
| 15:03 | slef | errr, INSTALL doesn't mention creating the templates first |
| 15:03 | kf | if you don't see your language of choise in the pull down... please check... |
| 15:04 | wizzyrea | slef: this is why I was under the impression that the web installer was only in english |
| 15:04 | kf | slef: no they don't :( |
| 15:04 | wizzyrea | and nowhere I have seen says "create the translations first" |
| 15:04 | kf | slef: it's mentioned here: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ANET_staff_client |
| 15:04 | wizzyrea: it was not necessary when we had the big big tarballs with all translations installed | |
| 15:04 | * slef | quietly explodes about critical instructions only being on wiki |
| 15:05 | wizzyrea | ^^ except that, which (I don't think?) is in the manual |
| 15:05 | * wizzyrea | too |
| 15:05 | kf | I think we used to give people the files in one big tarball - so dealing with translation scripts was not necessary |
| 15:05 | slef | the manual, which is not shipped with koha either |
| 15:05 | wizzyrea | nope. |
| 15:05 | kf | but it's really useful knowledge to translators,b ecuase you will need them after each update |
| 15:05 | slef | kf: so whoever changed that should have updated INSTALL... but never mind, we know now |
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| 15:06 | wizzyrea | or we should do away with INSTALL and put that in the manual |
| 15:06 | slef | @query INSTALL translate templates |
| 15:06 | wizzyrea | and ship the manual |
| 15:06 | kf | slef: was more trying to say that things changed and we need to make it better - not going to blame anyone |
| 15:06 | huginn | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5617 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , fix-perl-path.pl misses some files |
| 15:06 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7327 normal, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, Failed QA , Translation script doesn't like concatenated javascript strings | |
| 15:06 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7445 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Clicking on a tag gives "Language ... does not exist" | |
| 15:06 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6715 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, fcapovilla, Pushed to Master , xmlControlField.js always fetches the value_builder xml files in the "en" directory. | |
| 15:06 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7033 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, fcapovilla, Pushed to Master , Make all strings translatable in marc21_field_007.tt | |
| 15:06 | kf | slef: there is a very old bug |
| 15:06 | slef | wizzyrea: manual is too big. We're already lucky if people read INSTALL. |
| 15:06 | kf | let me find it for you |
| 15:06 | oleonard | No, we need the INSTALL files, but we should keep them up to date |
| 15:06 | slef | kf: thank you |
| 15:07 | kf | perhaps bug 1577 |
| 15:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1577 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , installer and language |
| 15:07 | jcamins | eythian has the start of localized packages. |
| 15:07 | kf | slef: yep, that one looks right to me |
| 15:07 | oleonard | Do we still need INSTALL.ubuntu.lucid? |
| 15:08 | kf | hm seems I had that idea earlier already... and never got around to write apatch for it |
| 15:08 | paul_p | I will submit a draft for release notes on the wiki in a few minuts. Everybody welcomed to update it !!! |
| 15:08 | (3 hours writing it... rangi is right when saying it's the hardest part of the release process !) | |
| 15:09 | jcamins | oleonard: until the next LTS release, probably yes. |
| 15:09 | asaurat: stop being such a tease! I want to know what the new design will look like! (bug 7979 ;) | |
| 15:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7979 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , New design for staff interface |
| 15:09 | oleonard | Oh, it's the other one that references an older version of Ubuntu |
| 15:10 | My real question is why do we have two? | |
| 15:10 | jcamins | oleonard: Lucid is the most recent LTS, but there have been a bunch of versions of Ubuntu since then, and the installation procedures are different? |
| 15:10 | That was just speculation. | |
| 15:10 | I mean, I know the installation procedure is different, I'm just speculating that's why there are two. | |
| 15:11 | oleonard | If Lucid is the current LTS, why have a separate install for Jaunty? |
| 15:11 | wizzyrea | I think we should only keep the installer for the current LTS version? |
| 15:11 | i mean, that makes sense to me | |
| 15:11 | oleonard | That's what I was thinking |
| 15:13 | jcamins | We definitely don't need instructions for Jaunty. |
| 15:13 | I thought the other one was instructions for 10.10+ | |
| 15:16 | chris_n | jcamins, oleonard: http://www.screencast.com/t/P1F4TzzCb |
| 15:17 | wizzyrea | !!!!! that is so awesome. |
| 15:18 | chris_n | paul_p: have you seen my release notes script? |
| 15:18 | maybe some of it would be useful | |
| 15:18 | paul_p | chris_n nope |
| 15:18 | chris_n | om |
| 15:18 | jcamins | chris_n: nice! |
| 15:18 | chris_n++ | |
| 15:19 | * wizzyrea | bounces and squees at the idea that we could do that with "edit items" |
| 15:19 | chris_n | paul_p: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]cd6fe703b;hb=HEAD |
| 15:19 | I'd have to check to be sure that's the latest version | |
| 15:20 | it takes a template and grabs bugs pushed to a branch, retrieves the appropriate info on them, and inserts it into the release notes template | |
| 15:20 | its in the rough, so consider yourself warned | |
| 15:20 | but it has saved me *lots* of time | |
| 15:20 | wizzyrea | it's how he does the really great release notes posts on k-c.org |
| 15:20 | * wizzyrea | always likes the stable release notes |
| 15:20 | wizzyrea | chris_n++ for awesome release notes. |
| 15:21 | jcamins | Any chance someone could post a screenshot of the results of applying bug 7979? I'm very curious, but not at home. |
| 15:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7979 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , New design for staff interface |
| 15:21 | slef | wow |
| 15:21 | * chris_n | wonders what slef boggles at :-) |
| 15:21 | slef | apparently postgresql complains at SQL-standard escaping of single quotes (\') and it has caused one of the web apps we maintain problems |
| 15:22 | wizzyrea | you mean postgres isn't perfect? |
| 15:22 | * wizzyrea | boggles |
| 15:22 | * oleonard | faints |
| 15:22 | * chris_n | expects mbalmer to show up at any moment |
| 15:22 | slef | I thought postgresql behaved perfectly if you stuck to the standards. |
| 15:22 | jcamins | slef: I recommend using the database that works for the problem at hand. |
| 15:23 | slef | jcamins: there are none. They are all merely differently broken. |
| 15:23 | jcamins | slef: oh, that's too bad. |
| 15:23 | slef | BLACK! BLACK! BLACK! BLACK! |
| 15:23 | BLOOOOOOOOOD! | |
| 15:23 | * slef | loses it |
| 15:24 | would go do some gardening, but he doesn't have a garden here. | |
| 15:24 | chris_n | paul_p: if you are interested, I'll send you a copy of the "template" for the current 3.6.x branch... this script *only* handles the bug portion of the notes |
| 15:24 | paul_p | chris_n send it, that can always be usefull |
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| 15:28 | * wizzyrea | gets slef a spot of tea |
| 15:29 | gets slef a soothing lavender sachet to sniff | |
| 15:30 | kf | wizzyrea++ :) |
| 15:30 | * wizzyrea | was trying to think of things british people might find relaxing |
| 15:31 | jcamins | So... can anyone make sense of Lenora's solution? |
| 15:31 | kf | wizzyrea: can you send me something too? |
| 15:32 | wizzyrea | I suspect that beer and sausages really aren't relaxing. |
| 15:32 | * wizzyrea | sends kf cookies |
| 15:32 | wizzyrea | OIH |
| 15:32 | * wizzyrea | sends kf schnitzel |
| 15:33 | chris_n | paul_p: sent |
| 15:33 | * wizzyrea | can't make heads or tails of it either |
| 15:33 | esofiane_ | Bye #koha |
| 15:34 | jcamins | I pondered a bit, and think I know what happened. |
| 15:34 | wizzyrea | @marc 090 |
| 15:34 | huginn | wizzyrea: unknown tag 090 |
| 15:34 | wizzyrea | @marc 090$c |
| 15:34 | huginn | wizzyrea: unknown tag 090$c |
| 15:34 | wizzyrea | local number? |
| 15:34 | slef | Changes submitted for bug 1577 |
| 15:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1577 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , installer and language |
| 15:35 | jcamins | wizzyrea: it should be call number. |
| 15:35 | wizzyrea: however, I'm suspecting she upraded from 2.something, back when 090 was used for biblionumber before someone realized that was a bad idea. | |
| 15:35 | wizzyrea | are they putting data in the wrong place? oh i see. |
| 15:35 | jcamins | I responded to the list. |
| 15:35 | wizzyrea | cool |
| 15:36 | oleonard | Proposed new staff client interface: http://screencast.com/t/PjoGCX9Lt from gaetan_B and asaurat |
| 15:37 | kf | wizzyrea: you think schnitzel is soothing ? |
| 15:37 | * wizzyrea | has no idea really |
| 15:37 | jcamins | oleonard: thanks! |
| 15:37 | Wow. | |
| 15:37 | kf: also doorbells, and sleighbells. | |
| 15:37 | wizzyrea | I would probably consider it comfort food? |
| 15:37 | jcamins | kf: and brown paper packages tied up in string. |
| 15:37 | gaetan_B | :) apply patch for more cake |
| 15:37 | wizzyrea | gaetan_B++ |
| 15:37 | kf | jcamins: interesting :) |
| 15:37 | jcamins | kf: the schnitzel should have noodles. |
| 15:38 | kf | jcamins: pommes |
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| 15:38 | kf | jcamins: not noodles |
| 15:38 | jcamins | kf: it's a song. |
| 15:38 | oleonard | But Julie Andrews never sang about pommes |
| 15:38 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I presume that's why you thought of schnitzel? |
| 15:39 | * kf | is confused now and goes back to staring on facet building code |
| 15:39 | wizzyrea | yes :) |
| 15:39 | oleonard | One should never presume to understand why someone thinks of schnitzel |
| 15:39 | kf | oleonard: I think the koha logo in the background looks a bit weird |
| 15:39 | oleonard: because we have no transparency for the news | |
| 15:39 | perhaps we should leave it out? | |
| 15:39 | jcamins | oleonard: three of us thought of the same thing, so I think it was a pretty safe bet. :P |
| 15:39 | kf: agreed. | |
| 15:40 | asaurat | there's still an issue about 7979 when translated for which I'll make a follow-up but the english version is ready to be tested |
| 15:40 | kf | asaurat: we have been talking about the koha icon in the background |
| 15:41 | I am not sure it works well here | |
| 15:41 | when there are news I mean | |
| 15:42 | paul_p | wizzyrea if you want something you should like with your cup of tea, you can head to = http://pro.test1.biblibre.com/[…]/koha/mainpage.pl |
| 15:42 | reiveune | bye |
| 15:42 | gaetan_B | kf: it's true it's not really identifiable with news on top :-/, but it's role is to be a placeholder when there are no news actually |
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| 15:42 | kf | gaetan_B: yeah I think your initial draft the green was a bit more... opaque? and we had transparency for the news s |
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| 15:43 | * gaetan_B | is commenting the bug ticket to explain choices made so far |
| 15:43 | kf | gaetan_B: I think I would like it better without the logo right now |
| 15:43 | gaetan_B | yes in the first drafts we were using the same green as on the rest of the interface |
| 15:44 | oleonard | Ah, my screenshot is not accurate. CSS was not fully reloaded |
| 15:44 | gaetan_B | the way transparency is handled in css (it's inherited from the parent element) makes it difficult to have a transparent background |
| 15:44 | kf | I really like the top search bar |
| 15:44 | gaetan_B | asaurat: what about a 1px transparent png for the background of the news ? |
| 15:44 | kf | with the green highlighting |
| 15:44 | of the field the focus is in | |
| 15:44 | oleonard | Why a png? Why not CSS opacity? |
| 15:44 | paul_p | kf & oleonard & gaetan_B & asaurat = don't forget to flush your FF !!! |
| 15:44 | gaetan_B | i think that top search bar is *awesome* |
| 15:45 | jcamins | What's the top search bar? |
| 15:45 | gaetan_B | oleonard: because css opacity would be inherited to the children element, and the text would also be transparent |
| 15:45 | kf | gaetan_B: we agree :) |
| 15:45 | paul_p | I LOVE http://pro.test1.biblibre.com/[…]ategorycode=A_EXT ! |
| 15:45 | jcamins | paul_p: what's the login? I want to know what we're talking about! ;) |
| 15:45 | paul_p | jcamins test / test |
| 15:46 | jcamins we're talking of a surprise ;-) | |
| 15:46 | jcamins | Heh. That's easy. |
| 15:46 | Oh wow. | |
| 15:46 | kf | gaetan_B: can I hide the icons? ;) |
| 15:46 | jcamins | Oh wow wow wow. |
| 15:47 | kf | gaetan_B: I am not sure about the mouse over color - it's a bit too bright for me, I think a bit darker would be better readable |
| 15:47 | jcamins | Wow. |
| 15:47 | paul_p | (don't fall from your chair jcamins ;-) ) |
| 15:47 | jcamins | paul_p: that's really nice! |
| 15:47 | gaetan_B++ | |
| 15:47 | asaurat++ | |
| 15:47 | gaetan_B | kf: we discussed this with asaurat, i think what would be nice would be to have a user css library on the wiki, like we have a sql queries library, with that kind of tweaks |
| 15:47 | chris_n | more rounded corners++ |
| 15:47 | kf | gaetan_B: yep that too :) |
| 15:48 | gaetan_B++, asaurat++ - don't think I don't like it - I do :) | |
| 15:48 | gaetan_B | asaurat said we might make it a syspref, but i think that would be overkill |
| 15:48 | chris_n | paul_p++ #nice interface improvements |
| 15:48 | paul_p | jcamins = perf enhancement + this = 3.8 release that ppl will remember for a long time ;-) |
| 15:48 | kf | gaetan_B: what if we didn't change the icon and text color on mouse over, but made the border change color like we do for other elements where the focus is? |
| 15:48 | for the menu buttons | |
| 15:48 | paul_p | chris_n I made NOTHING (well, except, as gaetan_B & asaurat boss say "I want that to be done for 3.8") |
| 15:48 | kf | paul_p: we have still a few bugs to fix tho |
| 15:49 | and have to agree on the design | |
| 15:49 | chris_n | paul_p++ # for being a cool boss ;-) |
| 15:49 | edveal | Has anyone reported or seen display issues with the fines column within "My Summery"? The issue I am seeing is that it displays "NO" even when fines show under the "Fine" tab. |
| 15:49 | gaetan_B | kf: i woul also make it a proposed css tweak, that should be easy (the icons are css sprites) |
| 15:50 | kf | gaetan_B: yeah, but couldn't we try and make the default a bit less ... bright? |
| 15:50 | I think the contrast is not good on mouse over links as is | |
| 15:50 | and that's my only 2 things! | |
| 15:50 | jcamins | Yes, I think a little darker for mouseover would be good. |
| 15:50 | kf | I really do like it, only the green on mouseover |
| 15:50 | gaetan_B | ohh colors vary super wildly across monitors |
| 15:50 | chris_n | true |
| 15:51 | maybe we need to provide a koha color-profile... :-) | |
| 15:51 | gaetan_B | byt the way it's the green from koha-community.org |
| 15:51 | kf | gaetan_B: I know, but it's really hard to read for example the small links on the news on mouseover (for me) |
| 15:51 | gaetan_B | ok i'll try another shade |
| 15:51 | paul_p | chris_n that will be the next enhancement ;-) |
| 15:51 | wizzyrea | oo pretty |
| 15:51 | gaetan_B | but that's very much readable on my screen, hence the color choice ;) |
| 15:52 | chris_n | gaetan_B++ |
| 15:52 | wizzyrea | notice table is weird on http://pro.test1.biblibre.com/[…]rs/memberentry.pl |
| 15:52 | patron messaging preferences | |
| 15:52 | chris_n | asaurat++ |
| 15:52 | asaurat | gaetan_B++ |
| 15:52 | =) | |
| 15:53 | gaetan_B | wizzyrea: hmm yes, but i had this problem before, i don't think it comes from this patch |
| 15:53 | need to chek this though... | |
| 15:53 | asaurat++ | |
| 15:53 | wizzyrea | I like the little icons |
| 15:53 | oleonard | I agree that the green hover color should be a little darker |
| 15:53 | wizzyrea | yea, it should be a bit darker |
| 15:53 | gaetan_B | ok it sound slike we have a consensus here :) |
| 15:53 | paul_p | wizzyrea I think it's not related to this change, it was like this before |
| 15:53 | kf | advanced search would need a bit of tweaking too |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | yea, I don't like the boxes around availability and library |
| 15:54 | kf | paul_p: hmm not sure, recently broken then |
| 15:54 | there are also notices missing - not good | |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | (inside the box) |
| 15:54 | kf | perhaps broken sample data? |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | could be |
| 15:54 | jcamins | I like the wide frames, but not the individual frames. |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | you going to give circulation screen the same treatment? |
| 15:55 | oleonard | jcamins: ? |
| 15:55 | jcamins | And I think there should be the same frame around Item type. |
| 15:55 | oleonard: on the advanced search. | |
| 15:55 | wizzyrea | I honestly think you could put that koha logo on every page. |
| 15:55 | gaetan_B | wizzyrea: i hope we can work on the rest of the interface yes but it's a lot of work! |
| 15:55 | wizzyrea | oh it's ginormous |
| 15:55 | jcamins | oleonard: I don't really know what to call it. There's a frame around "Only items currently available." I don't think that looks so good. |
| 15:55 | gaetan_B | wizzyrea: one idea was to have the icons of each module in the background of every page |
| 15:55 | wizzyrea | ^^ my complaint was the same |
| 15:55 | hm | |
| 15:56 | oleonard | jcamins: It's the default style for a fieldset in this new design |
| 15:56 | wizzyrea | what if instead of the upper koha logo you put the icon there |
| 15:56 | gaetan_B | jcamins: i see what you mean, that's a fieldset inside a fieldset i guess |
| 15:56 | jcamins | I like the way "Coded information filters" is done. |
| 15:56 | wizzyrea | and put the koha swoop down in the body |
| 15:56 | oleonard | we could define a different style for fieldset > fieldset |
| 15:56 | * chris_n | feels like a kid in candy shop |
| 15:56 | chris_n | lunch |
| 15:56 | gaetan_B | oleonard: yes that's need i think |
| 15:57 | jcamins | Except that there's a problem with Festschrift and Index. Maybe this has always been true, though? |
| 15:57 | Wait... is that entirely new? I don't recall ever seeing that before. | |
| 15:57 | wizzyrea | http://screencast.com/t/oepAuuXBvbw |
| 15:57 | jcamins | Nice! |
| 15:57 | wizzyrea: but which icon? | |
| 15:57 | *put | |
| 15:58 | wizzyrea | the appropriate one for that area |
| 15:58 | jcamins | Ohhh. |
| 15:58 | asaurat | I have to go, see u all tomorrow |
| 15:58 | jcamins | Yes, smart! |
| 15:58 | wizzyrea | http://screencast.com/t/rCIHA81ignI |
| 15:58 | * oleonard | votes against putting the background image on every page |
| 15:58 | * jcamins | was just going to hide the background image with CSS. |
| 15:58 | wizzyrea | lol. |
| 15:59 | I like it there. It's colorful and breaks up all the effin white. | |
| 15:59 | jcamins | Oh, can I register a request? Please do the CSS such that it can be overridden. |
| 15:59 | wizzyrea | it can be with opacusercss? |
| 15:59 | and !important? | |
| 15:59 | jcamins | wizzyrea: that's what I thought. |
| 15:59 | gaetan_B | intranetusercss should do the trick yes |
| 15:59 | (i already tested it a little) | |
| 15:59 | jcamins | Turns out we did something wacky with the OPAC and some things can't be overridden at all. |
| 16:00 | * wizzyrea | uses !important when that happens. |
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| 16:00 | jcamins | I don't remember exactly what, but !important didn't work because we already had !important set way back at the beginning, and Firefox hated me for it. |
| 16:00 | wizzyrea | hm |
| 16:00 | you'd have to be specific | |
| 16:00 | i haven't found anything i can't override | |
| 16:01 | gaetan_B | there are probably going to be a lot of polarizing points, like the background logo |
| 16:01 | so it is important to leave it highly tweakable with intranetusercss | |
| 16:01 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 16:01 | gaetan_B | indeed |
| 16:01 | but i like the background logo a lot :-[ | |
| 16:01 | wizzyrea | I do too |
| 16:01 | * wizzyrea | also thought to add the news to the circ screen |
| 16:02 | wizzyrea | the intranet news |
| 16:02 | if there is another place in the intranet where people need to see the most recent news | |
| 16:02 | it's there, imo | |
| 16:02 | gaetan_B | wizzyrea: isn't the circulation screen already pretty packed ? |
| 16:02 | jcamins | So don't do that with the Intranet. ;) |
| 16:02 | wizzyrea | not really |
| 16:02 | jcamins | wizzyrea: yeah, I'd have to find the exact problem when I'm at home. |
| 16:03 | wizzyrea: I guess my point was "don't use !important" because FF gets confused if you have more than one thing marked !important. | |
| 16:03 | oleonard | gaetan_B: circulation_home.pl |
| 16:03 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 16:03 | gaetan_B | oh yes, that's screen has some free room that's right ! |
| 16:03 | wizzyrea | http://screencast.com/t/rCIHA81ignI |
| 16:03 | http://screencast.com/t/tBQB50lsZ | |
| 16:03 | sorry, 2nd | |
| 16:03 | it would also benefit from cute lil icons :) | |
| 16:04 | you gonna be hanging on to this sandbox for a while? | |
| 16:04 | * wizzyrea | would like her staff to look at it |
| 16:04 | wizzyrea | guess I could put the patch on my test server here. |
| 16:04 | kf | icons! |
| 16:04 | :D | |
| 16:05 | wizzyrea: since hackfest it's common knowledge that I don't like icons :) | |
| 16:05 | paul_p | wizzyrea I don't plan to drop this sandbox, you can use it. You can even recreate it if needed (it's bug 7979) |
| 16:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7979 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , New design for staff interface |
| 16:05 | wizzyrea | lol kf. |
| 16:05 | so you don't like the new home page? | |
| 16:06 | I'm just thinking of a similar treatment as that for circ-home.pl | |
| 16:06 | kf | wizzyrea: I can hide them :P |
| 16:06 | wizzyrea | lol. |
| 16:06 | change_for_the_better++ | |
| 16:07 | oleonard | The home page logo works well if you just have a little bit of news, not so well if you have a lot |
| 16:08 | (background logo that is) | |
| 16:08 | jcamins | Lenora upgraded from 3.0. |
| 16:09 | paul_p: did 3.0 use 090 for biblionumber? | |
| 16:09 | paul_p | jcamins yes, that was the default field for biblionumber IIRC |
| 16:09 | jcamins | paul_p: ah. Yikes. |
| 16:09 | oleonard | gaetan_B: I'm curious why you used a background image for <div class="gradient"> instead of a CSS gradient |
| 16:11 | gaetan_B | oleonard: hmmm, well, we just didn't think of using a css gradient :-/ |
| 16:11 | could be a nice improvement ! | |
| 16:11 | wizzyrea | i love css gradients. |
| 16:11 | * wizzyrea | will never use images again. |
| 16:11 | oleonard | Take that, IE |
| 16:12 | * wizzyrea | shakes her fist in IE's general direction |
| 16:12 | jcamins | I only know of one Koha library that uses IE for the staff client. |
| 16:12 | wizzyrea | you have to wonder if IE users just really think the web is broken. |
| 16:12 | jcamins | I just shake my head in sad bemusement every time I think about them. |
| 16:12 | wizzyrea | or really looks that ugly. |
| 16:12 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I think they must. |
| 16:13 | oleonard | But their nerves are so dulled from using terrible software that they don't notice |
| 16:14 | * oleonard | is a little weirded out that the header menu has no border under it |
| 16:15 | paul_p | oleonard the header, you mean the main menu (circulation patrons search plus) ? |
| 16:15 | oleonard | Yes |
| 16:16 | paul_p | thinking of it, I probably agree with you |
| 16:16 | gaetan_B | oleonard: i would make it another intranetusercss tweak, personally i really like it like that :) |
| 16:16 | jcamins | In 3.10 we should add a syspref search to the main intranet search. |
| 16:17 | (unless there's already a string for that, in which case we could do it in 3.8, too;) | |
| 16:17 | gaetan_B | i just tried and i confirm that i like it better without border-bottom |
| 16:18 | jcamins | (to show up only if the user has permission to modify sysprefs) |
| 16:19 | paul_p | another suggestion (from someone that is totally irrelevant about design...) = putting a style to <th> |
| 16:19 | (for now, we just have the grey we already had | |
| 16:19 | ) | |
| 16:20 | gaetan_B | paul_p: styling tables and forms should be the next topic for interface design yes |
| 16:20 | there is a lot to do in this direction | |
| 16:21 | paul_p | + this css show some inconsistencies we have in html = for example, admin-home.pl = why is syspref in a blue box and not other parts ? |
| 16:21 | oleonard | Because it contains a search box |
| 16:22 | kf | yep |
| 16:22 | jcamins | paul_p: because it has a search box. That's part of the reason I think that should move up to the main search. |
| 16:22 | oleonard | jcamins: On which pages? |
| 16:22 | datadoctor | We shadowed the buttons on ours using CSS. |
| 16:22 | wizzyrea | (but only for superlibrarians) |
| 16:22 | kf | nice idea! |
| 16:22 | gaetan_B | jcamins: i like this idea a lot ! |
| 16:22 | jcamins | oleonard: I'd like it on all pages, honestly, but I'd settle for main page and admin module. |
| 16:23 | oleonard | All pages is too much IMO |
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| 16:23 | wizzyrea | ^^ agree with oleonard here |
| 16:23 | jcamins | oleonard: okay, main page and admin module then. |
| 16:25 | * jcamins | isn't a designer, and only spends time in the intranet when there's configuration or cataloging to do. |
| 16:26 | oleonard | How about this: a "command console" with access to system prefs. Can pop up from any page if you have permissions |
| 16:29 | jcamins | Sounds good to me. |
| 16:29 | * oleonard | wills it into being with his mind |
| 16:30 | datadoctor | Sysadmin with a command console? Cool! On menus, using the CSS3 box-shadow attribute makes the buttons jump out. Good luck with your work! I'm off to lunch. |
| 16:31 | * jcamins | thinks the background image for the command console should be the rebel alliance icon from Star Wars. |
| 16:32 | wizzyrea | omgosh oleonard that would be amazing. |
| 16:32 | and it *opens in a new window* | |
| 16:32 | so you don't lose your place >.< | |
| 16:32 | paul_p | ok, it's time to leave for me ! |
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| 16:32 | wizzyrea | bye paul_p |
| 16:32 | :) | |
| 16:34 | oleonard | What do you guys think of this change http://screencast.com/t/jj3XbRPcYx (if TagsInputOnList is on) |
| 16:36 | kf | oleonard: I like it :) |
| 16:38 | * wizzyrea | read that as "pale ontology" |
| 16:38 | oleonard | Now you have to find a title for which those tags would be appropriate |
| 16:39 | * wizzyrea | giggles |
| 16:39 | jcamins | oleonard: easy. On the classification of ghosts. |
| 16:39 | * oleonard | wonders how many libraries have TagsInputOnList turned on |
| 16:40 | just wanted to make it less ugly | |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea | i like it |
| 16:41 | kf | oleonard: best motivation :) |
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| 16:44 | wizzyrea | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ller_improvements |
| 16:45 | kf - please add any additional translation related tasks you might like | |
| 16:52 | gaetan_B | i just created a wiki page to list what needs to be tweaked on 7979 before it is pushed : |
| 16:52 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nterface_redesign | |
| 16:52 | please feel free to add to it, and we'll discuss it :) | |
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| 17:17 | jcamins | Has anyone else noticed that Voyager OPACs misreport their character encoding? |
| 17:20 | And, in fact, generate completely invalid HTML pages? | |
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| 17:20 | oleonard | Well that part doesn't surprise me |
| 17:20 | jcamins | oleonard: no, doesn't surprise me either. |
| 17:21 | oleonard: and actually, I now understand why the character encoding is reported wrong. The first tag in the generated HTML is <script> not <html> | |
| 17:22 | cait | back |
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| 17:30 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
| 17:31 | hello miss cait | |
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| 17:49 | datadoctor | The staff interface looks great, but adding a small offset drop shadow might bring the buttons out more, maybe with opacity set to 40% to allow the logo to show through the shadow. |
| 17:50 | cait | hello mr oak :) |
| 17:50 | jcamins | datadoctor: you should add your comment on the bug, so that it doesn't get lost. |
| 17:50 | cait | datadoctor: there is also a wiki page - if that's easier :) |
| 17:50 | jcamins | Or the wiki page. |
| 17:50 | wahanui | the wiki page is broken again. |
| 17:50 | oleonard | datadoctor: Or quote some CSS we could try to understand what you mean |
| 17:50 | datadoctor | will do! |
| 17:50 | jcamins | wahanui: forget the wiki page |
| 17:50 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot wiki page |
| 17:56 | slef | wahay and I repair the network uplink with minutes to spare |
| 17:57 | now for a quick look at the kohacon email folder | |
| 17:57 | cait | hi slef |
| 17:58 | slef | is mle here? |
| 17:58 | @seen mle | |
| 17:58 | huginn | slef: mle was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 2 days, 2 hours, 15 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <mle> ; ) |
| 17:58 | slef | I can't get onto instant messaging :-/ |
| 17:59 | cait | haven't seen mle in a while |
| 18:00 | hm and no Brooke? | |
| 18:00 | slef | a reminder would have been good but I've been flat out and forgot |
| 18:00 | ok, shall we do this? Who wants to chair? | |
| 18:00 | cait | would you? |
| 18:01 | I think I will be busy keeping notes | |
| 18:01 | slef | huginn will keep notes |
| 18:01 | cait | making notes... for the hackfest page |
| 18:01 | huginn | slef: downloading the Perl source |
| 18:01 | slef | but I will |
| 18:01 | #startmeeting | |
| 18:01 | wahanui | if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
| 18:01 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Apr 18 18:01:17 2012 UTC. The chair is slef. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 18:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | |
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| 18:01 | slef | #info This is a meeting about kohacon12 planning. Thanks to all who are taking part. |
| 18:01 | #topic Introductions | |
| 18:01 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions | |
| 18:01 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 18:02 | slef | please introduce yourselves, starting with #info like wahanui did |
| 18:02 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 18:02 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 18:02 | slef | #info MJ Ray, software.coop, southern England |
| 18:02 | datadoctor | Something like this: -moz-box-shadow: -5px 5px 3px rgba(90,90,90,0.5); -webkit-box-shadow: -5px 5px 3px rgba(90,90,90,0.5); box-shadow: -5px 5px 3px rgba(90,90,90,0.5); |
| 18:03 | jwagner | #info Jane Wagner, Liblime/PTFS |
| 18:03 | datadoctor | That's a drop shadow, 5 pixel offset, 3 pixel blur semi-opaque to show underlying Koha logo. |
| 18:04 | slef | guess jcamins_away won't be with us then |
| 18:04 | cait | datadoctor: your comments will show up in the meeting minutes :) perhaps add to the bug or wiki page? |
| 18:04 | slef | I'm having some problems with internet access. |
| 18:04 | datadoctor | oops jumped back in without reading...will put to bug report |
| 18:04 | jcamins_away | slef: no, sorry. Have to run to an in-person meeting. |
| 18:04 | datadoctor | Introducing Fred Pierre as datadoctor |
| 18:04 | Stow, Ohio, USA | |
| 18:05 | #info Fred Pierre, Stow, Ohio USA | |
| 18:05 | slef | can anyone remind me what headings we need to discuss? Sorry for being so disrupted. |
| 18:05 | I think it's roadmap, scheduling and sponsorship | |
| 18:05 | cait | we can check the last minutes |
| 18:06 | #info minutes from last meeting http://meetings.koha-community[…]-04-11-18.00.html | |
| 18:06 | slef | except I can't because my internet access is dead :-/ |
| 18:06 | cait | ok, I will go through them :) |
| 18:06 | slef: did you post a list of paper details for scheduling somewhere? :) | |
| 18:06 | thd | slef: How can you be here if your internet access is dead? |
| 18:06 | cait | magic |
| 18:07 | slef | thd: that's what I don't understand! |
| 18:07 | oh wow... load on my outbound proxy is 4.52 | |
| 18:07 | thd | slef: Do you mean that you have a DNS problem? |
| 18:08 | cait | slef: perhaps start with ashort update? |
| 18:08 | slef | thd: I think I have an everything-that-is-not-already connected problem. |
| 18:08 | cait | slef: sponsoring, how many registered, number of papers |
| 18:09 | I confess I am curious how many people have registered now | |
| 18:09 | slef | ok |
| 18:09 | #topic Roadmap to KohaCon12 | |
| 18:09 | Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to KohaCon12 | |
| 18:10 | slef | #info registrations were at 32 on Monday and I have not touched the registration queue since. I will do as soon as my internet access is back up. |
| 18:10 | sponsoring info is given on http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]aCon12_Volunteers | |
| 18:10 | maybe someone can get the numbers from there | |
| 18:11 | again, that is Monday's situation | |
| 18:11 | cait | Vague basic event cost estimate: about £3000 |
| 18:12 | Committed by 10 April: £960 | |
| 18:12 | Current forecast: £4478.41 | |
| 18:12 | Arrived by 12 April: £628.41 | |
| 18:12 | that about right? | |
| 18:12 | slef | that was the situation on Monday I think |
| 18:13 | Current forecast sponsorship income I think | |
| 18:13 | #info Papers - only 3 new papers this week, but deadline is Friday so we expect a surge. List to be posted once I'm back online | |
| 18:13 | thd | slef: Was £4478.41 the forecast cost or forecast sponsorship? |
| 18:13 | slef | thd: forecase sponsorship |
| 18:14 | forecast | |
| 18:14 | cait - I think there were 2 new hackfest papers since last meeting too? I'm not tracking those since I've been forwarding them (but I am keeping copies) | |
| 18:14 | cait | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]aCon12_Volunteers for budget headings |
| 18:15 | slef: rangi mentioned one about solr and one from robin | |
| 18:15 | slef: I was going to ask you to send me the details for those | |
| 18:15 | slef | cait: sorry. Didn't you get them? |
| 18:15 | cait | those 2 not |
| 18:15 | slef | Thought I forwarded the one from robin |
| 18:15 | cait | I have 4 so far |
| 18:15 | ok when I paste a list on paste? | |
| 18:15 | slef | and the solr one is a conference paper |
| 18:15 | cait | ah, you can't reach thet |
| 18:15 | yes, he said he thinks it woudl perhaps be more suitable for hackfest | |
| 18:16 | slef | the presenter is only attending conference |
| 18:16 | so we should try to schedule that one against a break | |
| 18:16 | cait | ok |
| 18:16 | slef | shall we move the topic to scheduling? |
| 18:16 | cait | so I know about 5 then |
| 18:16 | but only have abstracts for 4 | |
| 18:17 | ok | |
| 18:17 | conference or hackfest? | |
| 18:18 | I think conference after deadline and when list of accepted talkswas posted? | |
| 18:19 | slef | either |
| 18:19 | #topic scheduling | |
| 18:19 | Topic for #koha is now scheduling | |
| 18:20 | cait | want me to start with hackfest? |
| 18:20 | slef | yes please |
| 18:21 | cait | ok |
| 18:21 | i was thinking | |
| 18:21 | starting at 9, presentations at 9:30 when everyone is there, having presentations in the morning | |
| 18:21 | and hacking, discussing, working in groups in the afternoon | |
| 18:21 | 90 minute lunch break | |
| 18:21 | breaks between presentations too? | |
| 18:22 | not sure how long in the afternoon - how long can we stay there? | |
| 18:22 | slef | I think until 5. Let me see if our booking papers say. |
| 18:22 | cait | ok |
| 18:22 | slef | I'm back online :) |
| 18:22 | cait | yay :) |
| 18:22 | thd | cait: My memory of previous conferences is that it took an hour after starting on hackfest days for everyone to appear. |
| 18:23 | slef | thd: I was wondering that and pondered presentations at 10 |
| 18:23 | cait | thd: i think we need to do at least 2 presentations each day |
| 18:23 | the length varies | |
| 18:23 | but woud perhaps be good to group together some topics | |
| 18:23 | slef | #info we have booked the venue 0900-1800 |
| 18:23 | cait | not sure when we go for lunch - 12 till 13:30? later, earlier? |
| 18:24 | slef | 12:30-2 would make it nearer halfway |
| 18:24 | cait | yep |
| 18:24 | thd | The conferences which I am remembering had relatively little formalism about the hackfest days in terms of presentations. |
| 18:24 | cait | #idea lunch break 12:30 - 2, 90 minutes |
| 18:25 | thd: we got papers, so I think we should schedule those | |
| 18:25 | but I was thinking aobu tkeeping the afternoons open | |
| 18:25 | for whatever people want to discuss or work on | |
| 18:25 | thd | The more formal the arrangement of the hackfest is in terms of presentations the more likely people may be to show up early. |
| 18:25 | cait | ah |
| 18:25 | thd: so you think half an hour would be ok, if people knew that a presentation was about to start at a given time? | |
| 18:26 | slef | I think having formal presentation times morning and afternoon is a good idea and makes people more lightspeed to show up early |
| 18:26 | cait | slef: please tell me if you disagree with something I suggest :) |
| 18:26 | slef | likely not lightspeed |
| 18:26 | damn you autocomplete | |
| 18:26 | thd | I think that later arrivals during hackfest days were often due to people hacking half the night or falling ill from hacking all night during conference days. |
| 18:27 | cait | thd: makes sense |
| 18:27 | slef | maybe we need to be careful to try to drag people out to dinner/bars in the evening? |
| 18:27 | thd | cait: So yes, I think that if you schedule a presentation at a time people will be liable to appear on time if they are interested. |
| 18:27 | cait | slef: my idea was that we could perhaps have some summary meeting in the afternoon |
| 18:27 | we did that in marseille | |
| 18:27 | so groups working on something could present what they did | |
| 18:27 | slef | cait: at the beginning or end of the afternoon? |
| 18:28 | cait | as a follow up to ideas sparked from presentations and other more informal group work |
| 18:28 | slef: not sure, we did it at the end, but some people had run out by then, so perhaps something not too late in the afternoon | |
| 18:28 | if you like the idea | |
| 18:28 | slef | I like the idea, especially if it worked in Marseille |
| 18:29 | cait | :) |
| 18:29 | slef | proven ideas are good |
| 18:29 | cait | I think it did |
| 18:29 | thd | Definitely having separate groups report to everyone is important. |
| 18:29 | slef | why did people run out early, do you know? |
| 18:29 | cait | getting home :) |
| 18:29 | we sometimes forgot to do the meeting | |
| 18:29 | so I would set a time for it | |
| 18:29 | slef | oh right... home faraway home? |
| 18:29 | or hotels? | |
| 18:30 | cait | lots of biblibre developers in marseille too, so a mix of all |
| 18:30 | but not that important I think - we should set a time and try to do it then I think | |
| 18:30 | perhaps 4? | |
| 18:30 | 4:00 | |
| 18:31 | slef | maybe ask at start of day when people think they will finish? |
| 18:31 | and set the time that way | |
| 18:31 | but expect 4 if we don't see different? | |
| 18:31 | cait | we could also do a short something in the morning, and one before end |
| 18:31 | yeah, I will put a note on the to be created wiki page | |
| 18:32 | slef | #link empty outline posted at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohaCon12_Schedule |
| 18:32 | cait | #idea have groups reporting about what they have been working on in the afternoon/morning - time to be discussed |
| 18:32 | another idea from dpavlin for the hackfest was to have kind of a gbsd | |
| 18:32 | a group working on fixing old long standing bugs | |
| 18:33 | slef | yes that would be a good session I think |
| 18:33 | #idea hackfest bugsquash, a group working on fixing old long standing bugs | |
| 18:33 | cait | heh, was still typing on my #info :) |
| 18:34 | slef | my typing is scary |
| 18:34 | even scarier since I got autocomplete | |
| 18:34 | cait | ok, now for the action items |
| 18:34 | do you want me to put the hackfest notes on the schedule page? | |
| 18:34 | ah ok, there is a heading already | |
| 18:35 | i will put a lit of the papers | |
| 18:35 | slef | just a suggestion |
| 18:35 | cait | and a timetable |
| 18:35 | thd | :) autocomplete is a nice idea which very scary in most actual implementations. |
| 18:35 | slef | I think I'm going to put a table of paper / presenter / time, then a timetable |
| 18:35 | cait | with a suggestion for scheduling, if that's ok? |
| 18:35 | slef | that'd be brilliant - do with it as you will |
| 18:35 | cait | what about a list of things we might need? |
| 18:36 | projector, power strips (not sure the dining room is suited for a hackfest), ...? | |
| 18:36 | #action cait to put a list of hackfest talks and a timetable on the wiki | |
| 18:36 | slef | This is sort of venue things. |
| 18:37 | thd | slef: Do you have all the recording equipment which you might need to record the hackfest? |
| 18:37 | slef | really could do with mle here |
| 18:37 | thd | ... even if only audio? |
| 18:37 | cait | slef: perhaps we can just start a list somewhere - was only not sure where to put it |
| 18:37 | slef | cait: put it on the volunteers page I think |
| 18:37 | thd | ... at least for the presentations? |
| 18:37 | slef | cait: I'm using that as a page for volunteers, rather than a page about volunteers. |
| 18:38 | thd: I have enough equipment to do some sort of recordings, but I think we have better equipment available. | |
| 18:38 | cait | #action cait to start notes about hackfest on the volunteers page (list of things we need, etc.) |
| 18:38 | slef | cait: I have a projector here, about 2 metres from me now. |
| 18:39 | * wizzyrea | assumes gaetan_b has gone home for the day |
| 18:39 | cait | ok, i think I have enough action items for now :) moving on to friday excursions? |
| 18:39 | wizzyrea: i hope so - it's 8:40 pm | |
| 18:39 | slef | #topic The Friday Off - Possible Excursions |
| 18:39 | thd | Last week I suggested a separate microphone for questions put to the presenter. Presenters should be encouraged to repeat the question in the absence of a questioners' microphone. |
| 18:39 | Topic for #koha is now The Friday Off - Possible Excursions | |
| 18:39 | wizzyrea | oh sorry meeting |
| 18:40 | cait | thd: I think probably more needed for the conf, but i agre that a microphone is nice |
| 18:40 | slef | #info thanks to cait and mle for posting about fish |
| 18:40 | cait | :) |
| 18:40 | slef | has anyone been hooked, do we know? |
| 18:40 | cait | slef: I don't know - I tested the form and mle told me he got my mail |
| 18:41 | slef | #link http://koha-community.org/kohacon12-fishing-trip/ |
| 18:41 | cait | so it seems to work, have not heard back from him if he got more |
| 18:41 | slef | cait: do you know what bit before the @ it is going to? |
| 18:41 | cait | his email address |
| 18:41 | thd | cait: The issue I was identifying is not for the audience present but for a recording which can be understood. |
| 18:41 | cait | he told me to use that |
| 18:42 | slef: checking | |
| 18:42 | slef | cait: ok, no worries, I'll ask him when I see him. Could have used kohacon12 at software.coop so we could all process them. |
| 18:43 | (he's not been in much this week - as planned) | |
| 18:43 | cait | slef: it's mle before the @ |
| 18:44 | slef | cait: thanks. |
| 18:44 | #action slef to ask mle how many fishermen are interested | |
| 18:44 | has it been posted to the koha@... mailing list? Should I circulate it to registered people? | |
| 18:44 | cait | slef: perhaps we should send a note to the koha mailing list about it too |
| 18:44 | I think not everyone might be checking the website regularly | |
| 18:44 | slef | cait: snap! |
| 18:45 | cait | slef: I don't think it has - to answer your question :) |
| 18:46 | can you? | |
| 18:46 | slef | ok, could you, thd, datadoctor or jwagner mail it out? |
| 18:46 | I will if needed, but I think I'm behind with papers and sponsorship admin. | |
| 18:46 | cait | oh |
| 18:46 | we fogot to set a deadline | |
| 18:47 | slef | I think 30 April was discussed in meeting |
| 18:47 | cait | perhaps I should add that? |
| 18:47 | thd | slef: Are you asking me or others to send a note about fishing? |
| 18:47 | jwagner | Sorry, mail what out -- reminder about the fishing trip? |
| 18:47 | slef | cait: yes please! |
| 18:47 | thd: yes, jwagner: yes :) | |
| 18:48 | cait | #action cait add deadline april 30th to post about fishing trip |
| 18:48 | jwagner | I can do it if no one else is going to |
| 18:48 | slef | #action cait to tell jwagner once post updated, jwagner to mail it out |
| 18:49 | ok? thanks both | |
| 18:49 | jwagner | sure |
| 18:49 | thd | jwagner: I nominate you, especially if you have any interest in fishing. |
| 18:49 | jwagner | Just a mention of the trip & a pointer to the web site? |
| 18:49 | I have no interest in fishing, but I'd like the boat trip :-) | |
| 18:49 | cait | that ok as text? UPDATE: Please register until April 30th latest so arrangements can be made. |
| 18:49 | slef | jwagner: yes. As much or as little as you want of the post, plus a link. |
| 18:49 | cait | proof reading please |
| 18:50 | slef | cait: register before... I think |
| 18:50 | cait | ok |
| 18:50 | * thd | would be more interested in some other excursion if I could attend. |
| 18:50 | slef | UPDATE: Please register before 30th April at the latest so arrangements can be made. |
| 18:50 | is how I'd word it | |
| 18:50 | cait | done |
| 18:51 | slef | because Europeans write day month year don't we? ;) |
| 18:51 | jwagner | But should we encourage the practice :-) |
| 18:51 | slef | well except the Hungarians I think |
| 18:51 | cait | slef: i always get confused about that in English :) |
| 18:52 | slef | anyyyyway |
| 18:52 | shall we move on? I think the other Friday excursions can still wait | |
| 18:52 | thd | slef: All sensible people put the day first unless using ISO numerically sorted notation. Putting the day between the month and the year has no logical sense. |
| 18:52 | cait | jwagner: telling you now that it#s done and you can mail out ;) |
| 18:53 | slef | #topic Sponsorship |
| 18:53 | Topic for #koha is now Sponsorship | |
| 18:53 | jwagner | OK, will send message |
| 18:54 | slef | We have had one request for attendee sponsorship from someone whose university has refused to fund their travel. At the moment, it looks like it might be financially possible, but how do we feel in principle about the idea? |
| 18:55 | cait | I think if we do it |
| 18:55 | we should give others a chance too | |
| 18:55 | jwagner | slef, I'd be against doing it just because someone asked. But I can see a future in having a "scholarship" for a person to attend, with qualifications & how to decide spelled out |
| 18:55 | cait | like having a set amount and asking people to write up a little summary |
| 18:55 | thd | slef: I think that there should be a scholarship program for people who could not fund their own way. |
| 18:56 | cait | ok, seems we all agree :) |
| 18:56 | slef | OK, it sounds like this is basically "not this year" but if we can give money to kohacon13 we should encourage it to run a scholarship programme? |
| 18:56 | Have I understood this right? | |
| 18:57 | cait | i think we could do this year too - if someone was willing to put time into that now :( |
| 18:57 | I mean writing up something and sorting out money etc. | |
| 18:57 | thd | slef: If you have some excess funds from sponsorship why not make those available to people who might not be able to attend otherwise? |
| 18:58 | slef | Yeah I don't think we can run a full scholarship application system in time with the available volunteers. |
| 18:58 | edveal joined #koha | |
| 18:58 | thd | Even an ad hoc system would be better than absolutely refusing the one person who asked. |
| 18:59 | slef | thd: we do not have excess funds yet. We forecast an excess. |
| 18:59 | cait | hm difficult |
| 19:00 | thd | slef: Yes, I was just about to identify that as the problem. |
| 19:00 | slef | and I fear that by the time we do have a definite excess, travel fares will be prohibitively expensive |
| 19:01 | Have previous kohacon sponsored any attendees? | |
| 19:01 | thd | If excess funds appear by some cutoff date then they might be appropriated to help some people attend, otherwise, I would suggest rolling them over to KohaCon 2013. |
| 19:01 | cait | I don't know about any - but I haven't been involed in organisation before |
| 19:01 | slef | Should I suggest people approach sponsors directly? |
| 19:01 | wizzyrea | i don't know if olugbenga (no idea how to spell it) was sponsored |
| 19:01 | slef | potential sponsors |
| 19:02 | wizzyrea | his was a pretty special case though, he was coming from nigeria and it was going to be crazy expensive |
| 19:02 | slef | gbenga works for a Koha vendor I think |
| 19:02 | wizzyrea | though, he didn't get a visa and thusly could not come anyway :( |
| 19:02 | an australian transit visa, of all things. | |
| 19:02 | slef | wizzyrea: are you talking... yes, kohacon10 |
| 19:02 | I remember that | |
| 19:02 | wizzyrea | right, 10 |
| 19:03 | cait | we could ask rangi later |
| 19:03 | thd | The rich world has the 'unfair' advantage of having the lowest fairs between other rich world locations. |
| 19:03 | wizzyrea | either way I'm not sure it's much of a precedent. |
| 19:04 | slef | ok well I'll try to get more idea of needed decision dates from this requestor and if there's time to run some sort of maybe-scholarship-system, set that up |
| 19:04 | sp cam we ahree wotj th | |
| 19:04 | grr | |
| 19:04 | cait | so can we agree? |
| 19:04 | slef | so can we agree with thd's line "If excess funds appear by some cutoff date then they might be appropriated to help some people attend, otherwise, I would suggest rolling them over to KohaCon 2013"? |
| 19:05 | jwagner | +1 |
| 19:05 | thd | +1 |
| 19:05 | cait | +1 |
| 19:06 | * jwagner | has sent listserv message about fishing trip, cross that one off the list |
| 19:06 | slef | #agreed "If excess funds appear by some cutoff date then they might be appropriated to help some people attend, otherwise, I would suggest rolling them over to KohaCon 2013" |
| 19:06 | fredericd | #info Frédéric Demians, Tamil |
| 19:06 | hello | |
| 19:06 | slef | anything else before next meeting? |
| 19:06 | hello fredericd and thanks for your sponsorship | |
| 19:07 | cait | fredericd++ :) |
| 19:07 | fredericd: will you attend? :) | |
| 19:07 | slef: nothing from me | |
| 19:07 | fredericd | Is there something planned in the hackfest about performances? |
| 19:07 | cait | fredericd: there is a talk at the hackfest |
| 19:08 | fredericd | There are endless discussion on the subject and not that much action! |
| 19:08 | slef | #topic next meeting |
| 19:08 | Topic for #koha is now next meeting | |
| 19:08 | cait | i will put a list of talks for the hackfest in the wiki later today or tomorrow latest |
| 19:08 | fredericd | cait++ |
| 19:08 | cait | fredericd: there is also some action - like the work on plack :) |
| 19:08 | fredericd | Yes, I will attend the hackfest |
| 19:08 | cait | lots of work done at the hackfest in marseille - dpavlin_away can tell you all about it |
| 19:09 | slef | #info next meeting Wednesday 25 April 18:00 UTC, 19:00 BST, 20:00 MESZ, 14:00 US Eastern |
| 19:09 | thanks all for taking part | |
| 19:09 | #endmeeting | |
| 19:09 | Topic for #koha is now 3.6.4 and 3.4.8 and 3.2.11 Now Available || Koha Community Website - http://www.koha-community.org || General IRC meeting, 2 May 2012 at 2:00 UTC+0 | |
| 19:09 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Apr 18 19:09:14 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 19:09 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-04-18-18.01.html | |
| 19:09 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]2-04-18-18.01.txt | |
| 19:09 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]18-18.01.log.html | |
| 19:09 | cait | fredericd: looking forward to meet you :) |
| 19:09 | fredericd | Yes, I'd like to see dpavlin_away work, and try it |
| 19:09 | mle_ | #info mle software.coop (not feeling well) |
| 19:09 | cait | ooh |
| 19:09 | hi mle_ | |
| 19:09 | hope you get better soon | |
| 19:09 | slef | mle_: you just missed it! |
| 19:09 | mle_ | cait, I ordered power strips. |
| 19:09 | cait | slef: be nice :) |
| 19:09 | mle_: perfect :) | |
| 19:10 | mle_ | i have most of the kit to do audio streaming and have done it before |
| 19:10 | thd | I do not know what a cut off date should be but sponsoring the attendance one person at a very late date because of high last minute air fares instead of multiple people with the same amount of money the following year might be a poor investment relatively. |
| 19:10 | mle_ | the streaming is not the issue it is the post processing of the archive that takes a long time |
| 19:11 | cait i think we didnt book a projector for the hackfest for reasons of cost and we didnt think it would be so useful. however there is still plenty of time to source one. | |
| 19:11 | (and a screen) | |
| 19:11 | slef | when should a reminder for this meeting be sent out? Wednesday morning? Tuesday? |
| 19:11 | mle_ | is there anything else the is really unlikely not to work with THe Dining Room as a hackfest room? |
| 19:11 | thd | mle_: Is the reason that archive processing takes longer because an archive is expected to be higher quality than a live stream? |
| 19:12 | mle_ | thd: no its because you have to go through it in real time and edit it a bit |
| 19:12 | cait | mle_: I think it would be helpful to have one - perhaps a smaller one? |
| 19:12 | * slef | waves up and down and points at the projector sat by his desk |
| 19:12 | mle_ | : ) |
| 19:12 | cait | yep, like this one |
| 19:12 | * cait | points at it too |
| 19:12 | cait | so we need a screen? |
| 19:12 | mle_ | \o/ |
| 19:12 | cait | or a white wall |
| 19:12 | and we are good :) | |
| 19:12 | mle_ | i have a little screen |
| 19:13 | vintage | |
| 19:13 | thd | How much does it cost to rent a projector? |
| 19:13 | mle_ | i have the kit to set up a question and answer session. |
| 19:13 | i have radio mikes etc | |
| 19:13 | mic even | |
| 19:13 | slef | radio mike... used to work at my first workplace, Horizon FM |
| 19:13 | mle_ | but i dont have the kit to do video streaming. : ) |
| 19:14 | slef | mle_: I think I might but it'll be horribly low-fi |
| 19:14 | thd | I have seen VGA projectors on ebay for about $200 in years past. |
| 19:15 | slef | the co-op's members have projectors... let me look at what this is because I think all the others are better than this one |
| 19:15 | not all members do | |
| 19:15 | two of them do | |
| 19:15 | and I've borrowed/stolen one | |
| 19:16 | Epson EMP-760 | |
| 19:16 | is the one on my floor | |
| 19:16 | thd | slef: Low-fi could be better for bandwidth. |
| 19:17 | slef | thd: indeed. Nothing is without postivies |
| 19:17 | That said, I tried watching a 10 year old BBC RealVideo last week. It could be a movie by Picasso for all you can tell. | |
| 19:18 | actually more like 15 year old | |
| 19:18 | thd | I think the understandability of the audio is always much more important than the video. |
| 19:19 | rangi | Ask rangi what? |
| 19:19 | * oleonard | wonders if we'll reach bug number 8000 before 3.8 |
| 19:19 | rangi | Oh yeah |
| 19:19 | cait | sponsoring people to attend I think |
| 19:20 | rangi | @later tell paul_p bug 7975 please |
| 19:20 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:20 | cait | and good morning rangi :) |
| 19:20 | rangi | Oh |
| 19:20 | We didn't do that though many asked | |
| 19:20 | slef | flat refusal, or suggestions, or what? |
| 19:21 | rangi | Refusal, suggestions of who to ask |
| 19:21 | Like UNESCO etc | |
| 19:21 | slef | don't ask for credit because the punch on the nose in reply may offend |
| 19:21 | rangi | Pretty much |
| 19:22 | slef | you wouldn't happen to have a copy of an email with suggestions around still, would you? |
| 19:22 | rangi | I'll ask Russel |
| 19:22 | slef | thanks 1000 |
| 19:22 | cait | 12 years in 12 minutes! |
| 19:22 | wahanui | i think 12 years in 12 minutes is a must-have !!! |
| 19:22 | rangi | We even had a page on the site |
| 19:23 | It would be nice if the project had those kinda funds | |
| 19:23 | But we have to spend money on lawyers and crap instead | |
| 19:24 | thd | rangi: We had considered the possibility of using excess sponsorship funds for scholarships to attend, more likely rolled over to the next conference. |
| 19:24 | oleonard | Who would sift through the essays on "why I should go to KohaCon?" |
| 19:24 | rangi | I think really hard to be fair doing that |
| 19:25 | thd | rangi: It would necessarily be unfair ;) |
| 19:25 | rangi | I think if individuals did it |
| 19:25 | slef | democratically unfair though |
| 19:25 | rangi | Like equinox sponsored people to code4lib |
| 19:26 | Might be easier | |
| 19:26 | Brb going to bus stop | |
| 19:29 | thd | slef: I like the notion of democracy disguising the inherent unfairness of anything :0 |
| 19:30 | slef | thd: that's how governments work! |
| 19:31 | thd | Some scholarship system could be very good for diversity of participation. Holding KohaCon in places outside the rich world is even better for diversity. |
| 19:33 | slef | Need to encourage them to bid for KohaCon... |
| 19:33 | thd | Hoever, outside the rich world can make the air travel expensive for anyone who would need to fly given the high prices charged to travel to places outside the rich world. |
| 19:34 | slef: Yes, we need to encourage them to bid and be prepared to do the necessary work to host the event. | |
| 19:35 | magnus_afk | anyone want an invite to http://kodenode.com/ ? i think i have 3 to give away - dm me your email adress |
| 19:36 | slef | thd: do you know if India caused Africans any trouble with visas? |
| 19:36 | magnus_afk: why do I want to work on a site that's someone else's copyright? | |
| 19:37 | * slef | looks confused |
| 19:37 | slef | that's twice in two days I've been invited to do that |
| 19:37 | thd | slef: I do not know but Visa politics is always an obstacle to building a borderless community. |
| 19:37 | What is kodenode.com ? | |
| 19:38 | rangi | Back |
| 19:40 | slef | thd: "a programming language chrestomathy - a collection of code snippets (or “nodes”) for people to translate into different programming languages or improve in the same language. Use it to learn a new programming language or improve ones you already know. |
| 19:40 | rangi: wb | |
| 19:40 | magnus_afk | slef: i'm not gonna force you - and it's a good question |
| 19:41 | * magnus_afk | wanders off to watch Dexter |
| 19:41 | slef | magnus_afk: I've been tricked into digital sharecropping too many times. Why are you doing it? |
| 19:41 | yaaaay! Radiohead! biab | |
| 19:41 | thd | magnus_afk: What is the purpose of restricting things to members? |
| 19:45 | datadoctor | does anybody have a funny Koha story? |
| 19:46 | rangi | Funny in what way? |
| 19:46 | I have tons | |
| 19:47 | But hard to type them out on the phone ask me again in 20 mins | |
| 19:47 | datadoctor | :^) |
| 19:50 | slef | datadoctor: a frog, a kiwi and a rosbif walk into a bar... |
| 19:50 | oleonard | I know a funny story about this one time a guy said his company would release their forked version of Koha, but then they didn't. |
| 19:50 | Oh wait that wasn't funny at all. | |
| 19:50 | rangi | LOL |
| 19:50 | cait | lol |
| 19:50 | slef | lolol |
| 19:51 | rangi | The reason it exists at all is good |
| 19:52 | slef | oleonard: is that the one about the guy that said his company would release their forked version of Koha, but then the company started trying to monopolise the name in Koha's homeland? |
| 19:52 | rangi | "its just s big database, how hard could it be" |
| 19:52 | oleonard | slef: Yeah, and where they tried to sow confusion in the marketplace by keeping the domain for their non-open, randomly-numbered version |
| 19:53 | * oleonard | 's sides hurt from the laughing |
| 19:53 | wizzyrea | oh and bought the .com and .net editions of the newly adopted community domain. That part was pretty funny too. |
| 19:53 | datadoctor | 7>>chuckling<< |
| 19:53 | wizzyrea | and the non hyphenated versions and... |
| 19:54 | datadoctor | 7>>not chuckling<< |
| 19:54 | slef | rangi: The three principal virtues of a programmer are Laziness, Impatience, and Hubris. |
| 19:54 | datadoctor | And then there's the open-source programmer... |
| 19:54 | wizzyrea | what actually *is* funny is that users of the fork, for the most part, find themselves much happier once they migrate to real koha |
| 19:55 | datadoctor | Generous, nimble and gregarious. |
| 19:55 | Only the REAL KOHA for me! | |
| 19:56 | rangi | You know the C4 story? |
| 19:56 | slef | you know, I think the other version should be written KOHA. Killed Off Happy Associations. |
| 19:58 | wizzyrea | slef: I was thinking of this little gem: http://screencast.com/t/OgREtMt1SWGF |
| 19:59 | datadoctor | I much prefer .orgs to .coms! |
| 19:59 | wizzyrea | we all do ;) |
| 20:00 | slef | and they use network solutions, the least ethical/clueful of the mainstream |
| 20:00 | wizzyrea | and this little gem too: http://screencast.com/t/jujMiOkQkDki |
| 20:00 | oleonard | And proof of their intent is in the fact that it doesn't redirect |
| 20:00 | datadoctor | I signed up for the hockey team! |
| 20:01 | libsysguy | 0_0 |
| 20:01 | wizzyrea | libsysguy? |
| 20:01 | wahanui | libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck |
| 20:01 | * wizzyrea | nods |
| 20:01 | libsysguy | hehe |
| 20:01 | wizzyrea | hi :) |
| 20:01 | libsysguy | i was just lurking |
| 20:01 | datadoctor | Eek! they got the .NET as well. Yuck. |
| 20:01 | libsysguy | hi :D |
| 20:01 | thd | rangi: What is the C4 story? |
| 20:01 | datadoctor | Looking to hang out on libsysguy's deck. |
| 20:02 | libsysguy | heh |
| 20:02 | are you Swedish datadoctor? | |
| 20:02 | rangi | Hockey team had them first |
| 20:02 | Hlt used C2 ... New system we called C4 when writing it | |
| 20:03 | wizzyrea | oh, we need to buy kohacommunity.com and .net |
| 20:03 | datadoctor | I'm pretending to be kiwi, reading Keri Hulme's Stonefish. |
| 20:03 | rangi | Was either gonna be twice as good |
| 20:03 | Or explode | |
| 20:03 | Bone people is good | |
| 20:03 | datadoctor | Good book. |
| 20:03 | rangi | And she is my cousin |
| 20:03 | datadoctor | :) |
| 20:04 | wizzyrea | oh and this: http://screencast.com/t/i8L90Wttky |
| 20:04 | O.o | |
| 20:05 | thd | rangi: Was C2 the name of the software which HLT had been using? |
| 20:05 | rangi | Yep |
| 20:05 | * wizzyrea | imagines a calendar "the girls of Koha" or somesuch. |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | or the geeks of koha |
| 20:05 | or something. | |
| 20:05 | scratch that. | |
| 20:06 | datadoctor | kerplunk |
| 20:06 | * wizzyrea | giggles |
| 20:06 | libsysguy | haha |
| 20:06 | how many girls are there on koha | |
| 20:07 | rangi | Not many, lots of women tho |
| 20:07 | libsysguy | i mean apparently im daft becuase I thought wizzyrea and talljoy were both guys at some point :p |
| 20:07 | * wizzyrea | looks around |
| 20:07 | cait | wizzyrea: not sure I wnat to imagine that |
| 20:07 | libsysguy | *ducks* |
| 20:08 | cait | libsysguy: and you thought kf and cait were 2 persons :P |
| 20:08 | yay, do I get 2 months? | |
| 20:08 | libsysguy | hehe |
| 20:08 | yeah because cait comes out at night | |
| 20:08 | rangi | 2 original programmers 1 male 1 female |
| 20:08 | libsysguy | and kf is only in the day |
| 20:08 | cait | so cait is a vampire... perhaps |
| 20:09 | * cait | checks for sharp fangs |
| 20:09 | rangi | I was surrounded by women tho, my boss, the librarians etc |
| 20:09 | oleonard | The glamorous life of a programmer eh rangi? |
| 20:09 | rangi | Yeah |
| 20:09 | wizzyrea | this is for cait: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGJOMdpKX9A |
| 20:09 | libsysguy | haha same here |
| 20:09 | rangi | You get lots of cookies |
| 20:10 | * libsysguy | never gets cookies |
| 20:10 | cait | rangi: in other words lots of good influence :) |
| 20:10 | wizzyrea | only beatings? |
| 20:10 | libsysguy | the verbal abuse |
| 20:10 | its so bad :'( | |
| 20:10 | cait | lol |
| 20:10 | * wizzyrea | considers coming down and whipping those librarians into shape. |
| 20:10 | libsysguy | libsysguy why does searching suck...libsysguy fines don't work |
| 20:11 | libsysguy bore the curse of hourly loans | |
| 20:11 | :p | |
| 20:11 | * oleonard | leaves the gentle shelter of #koha and ventures out into the real world |
| 20:11 | waves | |
| 20:11 | cait | bye oleonard :) |
| 20:11 | rangi | Cya |
| 20:11 | libsysguy | later oleonard |
| 20:12 | cait | libsysguy: kohacon? :) |
| 20:12 | * cait | offers to bring cookies and be a nice librarian |
| 20:13 | libsysguy | I can't afford it this year cait :'( |
| 20:13 | cait | :( |
| 20:13 | rangi | Bbiab my stop |
| 20:13 | * libsysguy | could actaully afford it but his Swedish girlfriend would kill me if I went without her |
| 20:13 | wizzyrea | I bet her swedish family would pay for some of her plane ticket if you promised to visit sweden too >.> |
| 20:14 | libsysguy | I could probably avoid going to my brothers wedding if i went too :p |
| 20:15 | southern weddings are a drag | |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea | what, no moonshine? |
| 20:15 | libsysguy | no alcohol of any kind |
| 20:15 | :'( | |
| 20:15 | datadoctor | Line dancing? |
| 20:16 | * wizzyrea | cringes |
| 20:16 | libsysguy | god i hope not |
| 20:16 | i'll walk out | |
| 20:16 | * wizzyrea | is glad to be in NORTHEAST kansas. |
| 20:16 | libsysguy | i have to make it all the way to KANSAS to escape this place :'( |
| 20:16 | * talljoy | is NOT a man |
| 20:16 | is catching up on the logs | |
| 20:16 | libsysguy | oh well hello there talljoy :p |
| 20:16 | talljoy | lol. on phone |
| 20:22 | rangi | back |
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| 20:32 | Morthland11 | How do I catalog multi-volume sets |
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| 20:41 | Morthland11 | ? |
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| 20:52 | rangi | magnuse++ #x 1000 |
| 20:52 | http://semantikoha.libriotech.[…]on/darwin_charles | |
| 20:52 | cait | magnuse++ :) |
| 20:52 | rangi | magnus_afk: can i show that off at the nz koha users day? |
| 20:54 | Morthland11 | How can I catalog a multi-volume set |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | holy wowie magnuse |
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| 20:55 | cait | he is awesome :) |
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| 21:21 | datadoctor | Very interesting...semantikoha! Gotta go - have a great day all! |
| 21:24 | cait left #koha | |
| 21:30 | * magnus_afk | pokes his head in |
| 21:30 | magnus_afk | rangi: sure, show it off all you want |
| 21:30 | rangi | yay! |
| 21:30 | thanks | |
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| 21:31 | magnus_afk | but be warned that i'm working on it, so things might break temporarily |
| 21:32 | rangi | sweet as |
| 21:32 | its 18 may, so a little way away | |
| 21:33 | magnus_afk | ah, i'll have worked on it some more by then, i hope :-) |
| 21:33 | rangi | :) |
| 21:34 | magnus_afk | it's fascinating working on it - so many opportunities opening up |
| 21:35 | rangi | *nod* |
| 21:35 | magnus_afk | and marc fading into the background as the historical relict it is... |
| 21:40 | g'night #koha - have fun! | |
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| 22:00 | Morthland | How do I catalog multi-volume sets? |
| 22:08 | thd | Morthland: Are you asking specifically in Koha or in MARC 21 or Unimarc? |
| 22:29 | jcamins_away | Argh! semantikoha is broken! |
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| 23:28 | Judit | good morning |
| 23:29 | BobB | good morning |
| 23:30 | rangi | hi BobB and Judit |
| 23:31 | BobB | hi rangi |
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| 23:58 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Hello all! |
| 23:58 | rangi | hi YoungPublicLibrarian |
| 23:58 | * jcamins | gazes with horror at the blinddetail-biblio-search code. |
| 23:59 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Anyone know why the test server won't show me "serials"? It tells me to enter a partial title or ISSN. Since I don't know what the ISSN is, I entered National Geographic. It came up with nothing at all...Do you think that the test server just doesn't have our magazines yet? |
| 23:59 | jcamins | rangi! You wrote this code. You're just the person I need to talk to. |
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