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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:05 | * libsysguy | is about to kill yui |
| 00:06 | jcamins_away | libsysguy: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:06 | libsysguy | make the opac-results float correctly |
| 00:06 | but the facetcontainer and the results both have a wrapper class of yui-b | |
| 00:07 | so it is impossible to select them without js | |
| 00:07 | *uniquely* | |
| 00:07 | but im already shifting the dom around with js a ton…I might as well alter it some more | |
| 00:07 | http://catalog.uttyler.edu/cgi[…]earch.pl?q=lasers | |
| 00:08 | im trying to make it fit in here http://library.uttyler.edu/ | |
| 00:08 | wasn't there talk at some point of killing the yui model | |
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| 00:23 | libsysguy | any protips jcamins_away |
| 00:28 | jcamins_away | Sorry, I was in the other room. |
| 00:28 | There is. | |
| 00:28 | oleonard is working on it, but it's going to take a while. | |
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| 00:29 | jcamins_away | That looks just about right. |
| 00:29 | Brooke | o/ |
| 00:32 | libsysguy | almost…till you start putting elements like they would be in a normal page |
| 00:32 | then the yui resets take precedence which shouldn't happen | |
| 00:32 | jcamins_away | Hehe. |
| 00:33 | Brooke | anyone else annoyed by |
| 00:33 | http://www.walkingpaper.org/53[…]8Walking+Paper%29 | |
| 00:34 | jcamins_away | libsysguy: I had problems with that too. |
| 00:34 | jcamins | libsysguy: bad news. My solution was to rewrite opac.css. |
| 00:34 | libsysguy | jcamins I am about tempted to burn prog and start my own theme |
| 00:34 | Brooke | ooooh |
| 00:34 | a new opac.css would be sexy, methinks | |
| 00:35 | libsysguy | it would be…free of yui |
| 00:35 | sweet freeedom | |
| 00:35 | jcamins | That'd be very nice. |
| 00:35 | oleonard started on that. | |
| 00:35 | Brooke | oleonard ftw :D |
| 00:35 | oleonard++ | |
| 00:35 | jcamins++ | |
| 00:35 | libsysguy++ | |
| 00:35 | libsysguy | aww thanks brooke |
| 00:35 | :) | |
| 00:36 | Brooke | I likes me some burnin' and rebuildin' |
| 00:36 | * Brooke | really, really needs to get round to both the gender thing and the achievement system thing. |
| 00:36 | gmcharlt | Brooke: I'm not sure I necessarily disagree with that post -- although a lot of OPACs are _not_ things that I'd want to buidl the rest of a library's website around for |
| 00:36 | libsysguy | you should check out what im working on then :p |
| 00:37 | Brooke | gmcharlt the part that stuck in my craw was Is there a way out? I wish I was hopeful enough to encourage libraries to collectivize and demand better interfaces and flexible ILSs. Sadly, that seems unrealistic. Libraries that recognize the importance of interfaces and have the technical expertise will employ catalog overlays such as SOPAC 2.0 and Vufind. |
| 00:37 | gmcharlt | of course, for libraries that have lots of databases and no central seach .. even more difficult |
| 00:37 | Brooke | smacked of battered Librarian syndrome to me |
| 00:37 | right | |
| 00:37 | gmcharlt | true |
| 00:37 | Brooke | but I think databases are just not worth thinking about most times |
| 00:37 | I think Patrons want US to use them on their behalf | |
| 00:38 | and the ones that don't | |
| 00:38 | already know where they are and how to get to em | |
| 00:38 | not that a nice central search on databases wouldn't be posh | |
| 00:38 | libsysguy | Brooke we have just employed ebsco's EDS search |
| 00:38 | interesting concept | |
| 00:38 | Brooke | I just don't think it matters nearly as much as |
| 00:38 | em | |
| 00:38 | having the freaking opening hours and directions to the Library like EVERYWHERE | |
| 00:38 | libsysguy | http://library.uttyler.edu |
| 00:39 | try the search | |
| 00:39 | tell me what you think | |
| 00:39 | Brooke | but like the whole "we established dysfunctional relationships with ILS vendors that gave us very little leverage and almost no recourse to demand better visual and interaction design. These decisions have had a lasting negative impact on our ability to serve patrons." |
| 00:39 | it's like really | |
| 00:39 | do you live like that | |
| 00:39 | if you have a shite relationship | |
| 00:39 | are you like "Ah well, no changin' it mate. I'll just stay here miserable for the rest of mah life." | |
| 00:40 | * Brooke | pokes at the UT junk |
| 00:40 | gmcharlt | Brooke: you would deny folks who want to be miserable their happiness? |
| 00:40 | ;) | |
| 00:41 | Brooke | if you're a masochist, dear, fair play to ye |
| 00:41 | but don't expect the rest of the field to be populated by masochists, yes? | |
| 00:42 | a search for "animal husbandry" (no quotes in the actual search) is interesting. | |
| 00:42 | and wtf | |
| 00:42 | there is no diff | |
| 00:42 | when I do use quotes | |
| 00:42 | bad ebsco | |
| 00:42 | * Brooke | spanks EBSCO. |
| 00:43 | libsysguy | hehe |
| 00:43 | you have to use (animal husbandry) | |
| 00:43 | i think | |
| 00:43 | * libsysguy | is not a pro on searching |
| 00:43 | gmcharlt | just like google |
| 00:43 | libsysguy | i leave that to the librarians |
| 00:43 | gmcharlt | ... oh, wait |
| 00:43 | * jcamins | agrees with libsysguy. |
| 00:43 | jcamins | gmcharlt: well, at least it's like Lexis. |
| 00:43 | Brooke | libsysguy - still not an ounce of difference in ranking |
| 00:43 | and well | |
| 00:44 | libsysguy | hmm |
| 00:44 | Brooke | the ranking could be set on fire as a pie after a few months of dry time |
| 00:44 | * Brooke | hands gmcharlt some chocolate in order to escape his rapier wit. |
| 00:44 | gmcharlt | Brooke: thanks! |
| 00:45 | libsysguy | for some reason I think you can change the algorithm for relevancy ranking making, for example, physical items rank higher than electronic ones |
| 00:45 | Brooke | may I never have to fence you, sir. |
| 00:45 | prolly | |
| 00:45 | but it would be better to have gee, words that I put next to one another in a search, weigh more than random words that are similar XD | |
| 00:46 | gmcharlt | indeed |
| 00:46 | libsysguy: do you happen to know if there's a standard search engine behind EBS? | |
| 00:46 | Brooke | slow as molasses in winter from here, too. |
| 00:46 | libsysguy | its something they wrote |
| 00:47 | i asked them how many programmers they had on it | |
| 00:47 | they said close to 900 | |
| 00:47 | i was like 0_0 | |
| 00:47 | surely not | |
| 00:47 | but that was the sales rep…so who knows | |
| 00:47 | gmcharlt | 900 programmers? for their sakes I hope not |
| 00:48 | libsysguy | lol if you think librarians are like herding cats…wait till you manage programmes |
| 00:48 | Brooke | "gaming and cognition" is better. |
| 00:48 | but I kind of expect psych to be smoother than vet. | |
| 00:49 | gmcharlt, it would make sense if they had 900 programmers of my calibre. :D | |
| 00:50 | libsysguy how much do you want me to kick this catalogue? | |
| 00:51 | libsysguy | haha the EDS or the catalog? |
| 00:51 | i just upgraded koha to master today and just now started re-theming it | |
| 00:51 | so be gentle | |
| 00:52 | the EDS i could give two you-know-whats about | |
| 00:52 | :p | |
| 00:52 | Brooke | I just fed it a misspelling, and we are not amused |
| 00:52 | I should get a prompt for "Did you mean?" | |
| 00:52 | and did not | |
| 00:52 | "Santa Ana" will search just on that. | |
| 00:53 | jcamins | Brooke: what are you expecting? This is an Ebsco product. |
| 00:53 | * Brooke | winks slyly at jcamins |
| 00:53 | libsysguy | brb dinner is read |
| 00:53 | ready** | |
| 00:54 | jcamins | It's Friday... I wonder if that means libsysguy is having pizza. |
| 00:55 | * Brooke | is still full from Sushi. |
| 00:56 | Brooke | gotta say, dunno what folks did to the Koha search, but meh. |
| 00:57 | jcamins | Brooke: BTW, you'll be glad to know that my most recent batch of fudge came out delicious. |
| 00:57 | Brooke | it's just not as forgiving out of the box as it used to be |
| 00:57 | and when it is forgiving, it's slow as molasses. | |
| 00:57 | jcamins | Brooke: it's just the same as it always has been. |
| 00:57 | Brooke | no it's not. |
| 00:57 | there are weird preferences and junk | |
| 00:57 | that you have to flip someplace | |
| 00:57 | to make things work intuitively | |
| 00:57 | those should be on by default. | |
| 00:57 | nice work jcamins | |
| 00:58 | non crap irish cream, or just no irish cream at all? | |
| 00:58 | jcamins | Bitter orange. |
| 00:58 | Brooke | cool |
| 01:00 | now here's what I mean. | |
| 01:00 | or at least one example | |
| 01:00 | and it might be apples to oranges | |
| 01:00 | jcamins | Apple fudge? |
| 01:00 | Brooke | but it demonstrates my babbling |
| 01:00 | jcamins | That'd be kinda weird. |
| 01:00 | Brooke | deliberate misspelling |
| 01:00 | "Dali Lama" no actual quotes in the search | |
| 01:00 | just from the box. | |
| 01:00 | http://catalog.nexpresslibrary[…]=Dali+lama&limit= | |
| 01:01 | http://library.org.nz/cgi-bin/[…]ch.pl?q=dali+lama | |
| 01:01 | one of these things, is not like the other | |
| 01:01 | and I realise that some cataloguer at NEKLS ought be beaten | |
| 01:01 | and it explains the first hit | |
| 01:01 | BUT | |
| 01:01 | nuffin at HLT | |
| 01:01 | no no | |
| 01:01 | bad Koha. | |
| 01:02 | http://library.org.nz/cgi-bin/[…]h.pl?q=dalai+lama | |
| 01:03 | http://catalog.nexpresslibrary[…]ch.pl?q=It&limit= | |
| 01:03 | http://library.org.nz/cgi-bin/[…]ac-search.pl?q=It | |
| 01:04 | http://library.org.nz/cgi-bin/[…]pl?q=Stephen+King | |
| 01:04 | jcamins | Brooke: looks like HLT needs to adjust their search sysprefs. |
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| 05:54 | cait | hi #kohq |
| 05:54 | #koha even | |
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| 08:28 | cait | time to leave marseille |
| 08:28 | bye all | |
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| 08:39 | mbalmer | what will happen when I run the Koha installer on an already installed system? (I want to switch from the packages version to the git master revision, without loosing my data, of course..) |
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| 09:33 | * cait-m_ | waves from the train |
| 09:42 | sophie_m | have a nice trip home cait-m_ |
| 09:43 | cait-m_ | merci sophie |
| 09:43 | sophie_m | :-) |
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| 09:56 | * oleonard | wondered if cait would have internet on the train :) |
| 09:56 | is back from his quest to buy chocolate for the folks back home | |
| 09:57 | oleonard | Oh, just missed her |
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| 09:59 | oleonard | So you have internet, cait-m, but maybe not very stable internet? |
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| 11:39 | jcamins_away | Hi cait. |
| 11:39 | cait-m_ | hi :-) |
| 11:40 | jcamins_away | No wireless on the train yet? |
| 11:40 | cait-m | nk |
| 11:40 | no | |
| 11:41 | and laptop battery almost empty | |
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| 13:17 | jcamins_away | This would be a good reason to use bip, cait_m_. :P |
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| 13:38 | jcamins_away | Good morning, sekjal. |
| 13:38 | sekjal | morning, jcamins |
| 13:41 | jcamins_away | Anything fun in the QAQ/ |
| 13:41 | *? | |
| 13:41 | sekjal | not looking at that just yet. Got a new VM to set up |
| 13:41 | jcamins_away | Ooh, fun. What's going on it? |
| 13:41 | :) | |
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| 13:41 | sekjal | but, that has uncovered a few hitches in a new master install |
| 13:41 | koha | |
| 13:41 | jcamins | ... okay, that's not so good. |
| 13:41 | (that there are issues in a new install) | |
| 13:41 | cait-m__ | uhoh |
| 13:42 | sekjal | I think this is the 6th time I've installed Koha in the last 2 months |
| 13:42 | cait-m__ | hi agaon |
| 13:42 | sekjal | hi, cait-m |
| 13:42 | nothing major; just some packages are not accounted for in install_misc/debian.packages | |
| 13:42 | jcamins | cait-m__: you really should think about setting up bip when you get back to Konstanz. :) |
| 13:42 | sekjal | writing the patch now |
| 13:42 | cait-m__ | on train still |
| 13:42 | sekjal | but I had to get git-bz first |
| 13:42 | cait-m__ | hmm if someone would help me... |
| 13:43 | i think i am ready to give in | |
| 13:43 | * jcamins | doesn't know anything about bip, but it seems like it would be useful. |
| 13:43 | cait-m__ | heh |
| 14:00 | sekjal | easy patch for to sign off on… bug 7820 |
| 14:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7820 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Missing packages from install_misc/debian.packages |
| 14:04 | mbalmer | sekjal, you can commit that with signed-off Marc Balmer <marcmsys.ch> (or signoff yourself, since it is really trivial) |
| 14:05 | sekjal | mbalmer: thanks, I'll add your sign off and elevate the status on bugzilla |
| 14:05 | mbalmer | yes. |
| 14:05 | this morning I ran exactly into these modules missing... | |
| 14:08 | sekjal | mbalmer: all set |
| 14:08 | thanks! | |
| 14:09 | mbalmer | yw |
| 14:09 | sekjal | okay, I'm going to get some yard work done while the sun is out. will likely be on more this weekend to clear out the QAQ. lots of good, easy-to-test stuff in there |
| 14:09 | cheers, #koha! | |
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| 14:31 | druthb | o/ |
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| 16:27 | jcamins_away | Good evening, oleonard. |
| 16:27 | oleonard | Hi jcamins_away |
| 16:27 | * oleonard | is trying not to fall asleep before dinner |
| 16:28 | oleonard | Nice long day walking around |
| 16:29 | jcamins_away | When do you leave? |
| 16:29 | oleonard | Gotta leave the hotel by 4AM |
| 16:30 | I'm glad I mentioned this to paul because he warned me the metro isn't open yet then | |
| 16:30 | jcamins_away | Heh. Yes, very good you mentioned it. |
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| 17:20 | mbalmer | sigh, why is so hard not to use MySQLisms? |
| 17:21 | my guess: copy-paste syndrome | |
| 17:23 | oleonard | Uh, because everyone was using MySQL I suspect |
| 17:23 | mbalmer | it is inacceptable for new code... |
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| 17:37 | druthb | o/ |
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| 17:45 | * oleonard | waves to cait-m__ on his way out to find some dinner |
| 17:46 | cait-m__ | wave |
| 17:46 | oleonard | Good trip so far? |
| 17:46 | * druthb | waves to cait-m__ |
| 17:46 | cait-m__ | font |
| 17:46 | grr | |
| 17:46 | don't forget the hugs | |
| 17:46 | oleonard | Nope! |
| 17:46 | cait-m__ | stupid autocorrect |
| 17:47 | last train now | |
| 17:47 | almost home | |
| 17:47 | * druthb | misses her beste freundin! |
| 17:47 | cait-m__ | and first train where i can charge the phone |
| 17:47 | * oleonard | heads out |
| 17:48 | cait-m__ | druthb i am here :-) |
| 17:49 | druthb | I'm used to seeing you earlier in the day. :) |
| 17:51 | mbalmer | what is Dobrica's nickname here? |
| 17:51 | cait-m__ | soon |
| 17:51 | jcamins_away | dpavlin. |
| 17:51 | wahanui | Taking over the world is trivial for this one... |
| 17:51 | mbalmer | jc, thanks. |
| 17:51 | cait-m__ | will be back at normal times on wednesday |
| 17:51 | mbalmer | dpavlin++ |
| 17:53 | jcamins_away | Hopefully Stephane won't mind. Some people don't like their patches changed. |
| 18:13 | rangi | Yes a follow up would have been much nicer |
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| 18:17 | chanokin | Hello, I'm having trouble importing biblio records with accented characters encoded with utf-8. Could anyone lend a hand? |
| 18:20 | cait-m__ | i agree |
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| 18:31 | cait-m__ | waves |
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| 20:04 | mbalmer | jacmins, stephane will not oppose to backquotes being removed. |
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| 21:33 | dpavlin | mbalmer: I sure hope you are right about stephane :-) Anyway, it's a step in right direction. |
| 21:34 | mbalmer | I worked with stephane for three days, I would be astonished if he sees things differently. |
| 21:34 | cait | mbalmer: I think it's ok, but a follow up is the better way to do it |
| 21:34 | for the next time | |
| 21:34 | mbalmer | follow up? |
| 21:34 | what does that mean? | |
| 21:34 | cait | a follow up patch instead of a change to the original |
| 21:34 | mbalmer | ah, I see. |
| 21:35 | well, I think it is clear now that MySQLism are no longer accepted. If in doubt, I can always help. | |
| 21:38 | we need to put out some guidelines for those doing DB work. I am almost 100% certain the MySQLisms happened because of lack of better knowing. Most people are not aware that what they do is not portable. | |
| 21:39 | jcamins_away | I'm sure that's true. |
| 21:39 | If you put together a list of common problems, and how to fix them, I'm sure Ian would appreciate it. | |
| 21:40 | mbalmer | I started that on the wiki, …wiki/PostgreSQL, but it is not complete. |
| 21:48 | dpavlin | cait: you might like bug 7821 -- it seems that implementation is smaller than discussion around it ;-) |
| 21:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7821 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , XSLT systempreference multi-language support |
| 21:48 | cait | :) |
| 21:48 | I have it on my list | |
| 21:48 | but bit tired tonight - will try to sign-of tomorrow :) | |
| 21:48 | dpavlin: how was the food tonight? | |
| 21:48 | dpavlin | yeah, sure. I Just wanted to show off :-) |
| 21:48 | cait | I will not ask about the goodbyes |
| 21:48 | heh | |
| 21:48 | dpavlin++ | |
| 21:49 | dpavlin | Food was great. I think that Owen has some nice pictures... |
| 21:49 | cait | oooh |
| 21:49 | *sigh* | |
| 21:49 | dpavlin | (of food, not us ;-) |
| 21:49 | cait | trip was long |
| 21:49 | finally came home around 3 hours ago | |
| 21:50 | I forgot to take a picture of you and marijana - actually hoped owen did better | |
| 21:50 | * dpavlin | would really have to go to sleep to get some rest before trip... |
| 21:50 | cait | then go, shoo! |
| 21:51 | dpavlin | mbalmer: thanks for pushing me to fix mysqlisams... even better, I should contribute some patches to clean up rest of the code... sometime... |
| 21:51 | mbalmer | take bug 7365 as a start and add to it. |
| 21:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7365 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, marc, In Discussion , Koha uses MySQL |
| 21:52 | mbalmer | I think it is worth the effort. |
| 21:53 | dpavlin | mee too :-) |
| 21:54 | cait | dpavlin: have a safe trip :) |
| 21:54 | I will go and unpack/tidy up a bit more... | |
| 21:56 | * dpavlin | waves and goes to sleep... |
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