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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:18 | drojf left #koha | |
| 00:20 | Space_Librarian | mmm.... chocolate truffles |
| 00:20 | jcamins | Fudge. :) |
| 00:21 | Space_Librarian | Yeah. But, in a pinch... |
| 00:21 | jcamins | Chocolate truffles are good too. |
| 00:21 | I was just enjoying the fudge, since I don't have truffles. | |
| 00:21 | bag | bug 7144 |
| 00:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7144 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Passed QA , Floating collection |
| 00:24 | Space_Librarian | jcamins I'll have a truffle for you, you have some fudge for me. |
| 00:24 | jcamins | Space_Librarian: sounds good. :) |
| 00:25 | Space_Librarian | deal |
| 00:29 | Oh yes, this is quite funny... until it's taken down. http://nowhiring.com.au/424936[…]ustralia+ACT.aspx | |
| 00:42 | troublemaker | hey guys |
| 00:42 | sup | |
| 00:43 | eythian | http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]ind-pound-country <-- Space_Librarian, the second photo |
| 00:43 | troublemaker | is there anyway to modify the size of the login form in koha, (staff interface) |
| 00:43 | ? | |
| 00:44 | eythian | troublemaker: you might be able to add some css rules to do it. |
| 00:44 | troublemaker | okidoks |
| 00:44 | where i should edit those? | |
| 00:44 | whats the path man | |
| 00:44 | im trying to edit this login box http://universidadinsurgentesd[…]omethods.com:666/ | |
| 00:45 | i need to see the full image... | |
| 00:45 | eythian | troublemaker: you can change stuff like that in the "staff client" sysprefs. |
| 00:45 | Lets you add all kinds of bits of styling | |
| 00:45 | and js etc. | |
| 00:46 | jcamins | oleonard's blog? |
| 00:46 | wahanui | oleonard's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha |
| 00:46 | jcamins | troublemaker: take a look at that. |
| 01:01 | Space_Librarian | eythian: I miss the days of the Leith flooding the Arts building. |
| 01:01 | eythian | heh yeah |
| 01:02 | melia left #koha | |
| 01:05 | troublemaker | yeahhh |
| 01:05 | thanx for your helo again got it! :) | |
| 01:05 | help* | |
| 01:23 | eythian | cool |
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| 02:01 | Penggu | thanks all for help, and for saving me from liblime |
| 02:03 | Space_Librarian | Another one saved. Awesome. :D |
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| 02:24 | troublemaker | yeah this blog is amazing |
| 02:24 | im editing my opac. im newbie to koha, i installed on last debian server | |
| 02:25 | http://universidadinsurgentesd[…]ibliomethods.com/ | |
| 02:29 | eythian | that certainly is one gigantic logo |
| 02:29 | jcamins | There don't seem to be any records in the catalog. |
| 02:30 | Space_Librarian | O.o |
| 02:31 | troublemaker | ahhaa |
| 03:11 | wizzyrea joined #koha | |
| 03:21 | * jcamins | waves to wizzyrea. |
| 03:21 | wizzyrea | hey |
| 03:23 | jcamins | How's it going? |
| 03:28 | Amit_Gupta joined #koha | |
| 03:28 | Amit_Gupta | heya bag |
| 03:28 | how r u | |
| 03:49 | bag | heya Amit_Gupta |
| 04:05 | Space_Librarian | Whew. That was a hard sell |
| 04:05 | jcamins | Space_Librarian: ? |
| 04:06 | Space_Librarian | Have a library thinking about Koha, on DB Textworks, they came to visit |
| 04:06 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 04:07 | Space_Librarian | And are scared of MARC, and do a great deal of article cataloguing |
| 04:08 | * jcamins | dealt with a library like that. |
| 04:09 | Space_Librarian | I came into a library like that. |
| 04:09 | 3 weeks ago. | |
| 04:09 | It's interesting to deal with. | |
| 04:13 | And now, I need to go be zombie-like for a while. Good night/morning all. See you on the other side. | |
| 04:14 | rangi | I think we need profiles when installing |
| 04:14 | jcamins | rangi: That seems like a good idea. |
| 04:15 | rangi | So hide all the marc we can simple frameworks etc |
| 04:16 | eythian | Make a bunch of really easy to import frameworks for things. |
| 04:17 | rangi | Yup |
| 04:28 | druthb joined #koha | |
| 04:28 | wizzyrea | i'm still working on my little developer data package |
| 04:28 | * druthb | sits down next to wizzyrea. |
| 04:29 | rangi | Ohhh sweet |
| 04:29 | Hey druthb | |
| 04:29 | druthb | hi, rangi. |
| 04:35 | hey, rangi, I've got a question... a couple of people have suggested that the migration toolbox I've been curating oughta be hosted on git.koha-community.org... No big deal to *me* where it's hosted...but what do you think? | |
| 04:36 | It's still pretty messy, but one of my goals for this year is to tidy things up a bunchabuncha. | |
| 04:36 | rangi | Can't hurt |
| 04:36 | It could go in the newly made contribs repo | |
| 04:38 | druthb | whom do I kiss to get my ssh key registered? |
| 04:39 | rangi | Probably Galen is easiest |
| 04:39 | eythian | we should put a gitorious setup on there some time |
| 04:39 | * druthb | wiggles her eyebrows. |
| 04:40 | druthb | Okay, I'll talk to him about it next time I see 'im. Probably wont dump the whole unorganized mess in there, just the really solid-gold stuff, as I get it tidied up. |
| 04:40 | rangi | It's gitolite which is cool I just forgot how to do it |
| 04:42 | druthb | I've been tinkering for about the last two months on a very-generic biblio masher and patron masher script. The biblio one has been used against several different ILSes so far--uhm...III, Symphony, Voyager, Horizon, Athena, Infocentre, couple of others, I think. Patron is in less use, but it's coming along nicely. |
| 04:43 | It's all done with command-line params, like eythian's csvtomarc script. :) | |
| 04:43 | rangi | Excellent |
| 04:45 | druthb | My Symphony migration kit is just about to the "solid gold" state now. No more surprises. |
| 04:47 | wizzyrea | a community gitorious would be oso cool |
| 04:57 | rangi | Yup |
| 05:05 | Amit_Gupta | heya ranig |
| 05:18 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:18 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 05:19 | eythian | hi cait |
| 05:19 | cait | hi eythian :) |
| 05:35 | eythian | wahanui: linux mint is where they make all the linux money |
| 05:35 | wahanui | bugger all, i dunno, eythian |
| 05:35 | eythian | wahanui: linux mint is \where they make all the linux money |
| 05:35 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 05:35 | eythian | wahanui: linux mint |
| 05:35 | wahanui | hmmm... linux mint is where they make all the linux money |
| 05:36 | cait | germs? |
| 05:36 | wahanui | Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. |
| 05:36 | cait | :) |
| 05:36 | eythian: why are you still here? | |
| 05:36 | eythian | cait: don't ask. It'll become a rant. |
| 05:36 | * wizzyrea | frowns |
| 05:36 | cait | if it helps, rant :) |
| 05:36 | wizzyrea: shouldn't you be sleeping? | |
| 05:37 | * jcamins | observes that this has not been a great day for a lot of people. :( |
| 05:37 | wizzyrea | technically yes |
| 05:37 | * wizzyrea | observes the same |
| 05:37 | * jcamins | too |
| 05:37 | eythian | It won't be constructive. I've been once again sucked onto another project for two weeks. |
| 05:38 | (not a koha project, that'd be fun at least) | |
| 05:39 | wizzyrea | blurg. |
| 05:40 | cait | eew |
| 05:41 | away from wellington again too? | |
| 05:41 | eythian | yep. Next week in Auckland again. |
| 05:41 | cait | double eew |
| 05:46 | wizzyrea | arg. |
| 05:49 | cait | hm |
| 05:49 | * cait | tries to find out how to pick all issns from a marc record |
| 05:50 | wizzyrea | report library? |
| 05:50 | wahanui | i guess report library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
| 05:52 | cait | wizzyrea: nope, using perl :) |
| 05:52 | reports were to easy :P | |
| 05:53 | bug 7576 | |
| 05:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Add ISSN to SearchForTitleIn |
| 06:03 | Amit_Gupta | heya cait |
| 06:03 | cait | hi Amit_Gupta |
| 06:11 | jcamins | Good night/morning, #koha. |
| 06:34 | cait | night jcamins_away |
| 06:52 | hi magnus_afk :) | |
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| 07:26 | alex_a | bonjour ! |
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| 07:45 | magnuse | kia ora #koha cait mbalmer alex_a |
| 07:48 | reiveune joined #koha | |
| 07:48 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:48 | wahanui | salut, reiveune |
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| 08:06 | gaetan_B | hello! |
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| 08:06 | Amit_Gupta | heya gaetan_B |
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| 08:59 | magnuse | that's just wizzyrea sleep-irc'ing, right? |
| 09:07 | paul_p | good morning magnuse |
| 09:07 | (& others) | |
| 09:07 | magnuse | kia ora paul_p |
| 09:08 | wow, google and baidu sure love koha... | |
| 09:15 | kf | morning paul_p and magnuse |
| 09:17 | magnuse | so far in february: baidu = 215161 hits, google = 169407 hits - on a catalogue with ~13k records |
| 09:17 | have fun, kf_mtg :-) | |
| 09:23 | kf_mtg | second meeting today |
| 09:30 | magnuse | ooh, nice |
| 09:30 | @wunder boo | |
| 09:30 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 1.0°C (10:20 AM CET on February 23, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.30 in 992 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:30 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 09:30 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 6.0°C (10:00 AM CET on February 23, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Falling). |
| 09:31 | kf_mtg | @wunder Konstanz |
| 09:31 | huginn | kf_mtg: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.8°C (10:29 AM CET on February 23, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.40 in 1029.3 hPa (Rising). |
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| 10:30 | * paul_p | doing a migration from 2.2 to 3.6 today ... |
| 10:30 | paul_p | oldies but goodies ;-) |
| 11:13 | * magnuse | wishes paul_p good luck |
| 11:14 | magnuse | paul_p: are you actually migrating the database, or pulling out data and importing them in 3.6 as if they were from another system? |
| 11:14 | paul_p | magnuse migrating, with http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Upgrading_2.2 |
| 11:15 | * magnuse | wishes paul_p good luck ;-) |
| 11:15 | magnuse | (tried it once but chose the other route quickly...) |
| 11:21 | gah, what happened to æøå in the .po files? the files i have uploaded look ok | |
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| 11:26 | kf_mtg | fredericd: around? |
| 11:26 | magnuse: that sounds like I should worry? | |
| 11:27 | magnuse | kf_mtg: don't worry, be happy |
| 11:28 | there's lots of norwegian words showing as fuzzy, cause the original string has weird characters, but the old translation is still good | |
| 11:28 | kf_mtg | hm ok |
| 11:28 | but that's backwards | |
| 11:28 | because we had that fixed | |
| 11:28 | and it will not only be norwegian I guess.... | |
| 11:28 | magnuse | hm, i'm only seing the norwegian ones |
| 11:28 | kf_mtg | shoudl we have a file named lateorders-excel? |
| 11:29 | I find that troubling | |
| 11:29 | kind of | |
| 11:29 | magnuse | sounds like something more generic would be better |
| 11:30 | kf_mtg | yeah |
| 11:30 | perhaps lateorders-csv | |
| 11:30 | or lateorders-export? | |
| 11:31 | magnuse | looks better |
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| 11:58 | slef | morning all |
| 11:59 | kf_mtg | morning slef |
| 11:59 | slef | I'm bored with this cold. |
| 12:00 | How's everyone else? | |
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| 12:07 | magnuse | slef: grateful not to have a cold... |
| 12:08 | kf_mtg | I agree with magnuse |
| 12:08 | slef: hope you get better soon | |
| 12:08 | slef | kf_mtg: I think this one was imported from Germany, so it may be near you soon. |
| 12:08 | thanks and me too :) | |
| 12:09 | magnuse | germs? |
| 12:09 | wahanui | Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. |
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| 12:10 | kf | eek |
| 12:10 | hope not! | |
| 12:11 | mbalmer | hello |
| 12:11 | kf | magnuse: no, that's not a proof of eythian's theory! |
| 12:11 | hi mbalmer | |
| 12:11 | mbalmer | thursday = swiss koha day ;) |
| 12:12 | magnuse | kf: :-) |
| 12:12 | mbalmer | today I upgrade our koha server from a pentium 4 3 Ghz 768 MB RAM to a dual core Xeon 2.4 GHz with at least 1 GB RAM. should be a bit faster, I hope |
| 12:15 | kf | more ram is probably good |
| 12:15 | * kf | looks around for fredericd again |
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| 12:23 | kf | ok |
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| 12:35 | kf | bbl |
| 12:44 | * magnuse | too |
| 12:53 | * chris_n | three |
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| 13:07 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:15 | jcamins_away | kf: whoops, the misnamed table is definitely a bug. |
| 13:15 | I will fix it when I can (though it probably won't be for a bit). | |
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| 13:25 | marcelr | hi oleonard; thx for testing, submitted some adjustments some mins ago |
| 13:25 | for 7310 | |
| 13:27 | oleonard | Thanks marcelr, I'll have time later today to test again |
| 13:28 | I appreciate your work on it, it's a much-needed update | |
| 13:28 | marcelr | i also put another note on a followup on wiki |
| 13:31 | magnus_afk | bug 7310 |
| 13:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 normal, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) |
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| 13:42 | kf | back |
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| 13:42 | kf | :) |
| 13:42 | jcamins_away: remind me to file a bug? or file one? | |
| 13:43 | jcamins_away | @later tell cait Please file a bug for the image table names. |
| 13:43 | huginn | jcamins_away: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:43 | jcamins_away | Done. :) |
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| 13:45 | * oleonard | will be back later |
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| 13:51 | tcohen | hi #koha |
| 13:51 | marcelr | hi tcohen |
| 13:52 | tcohen | i've been away from koha working on an alfresco implementation |
| 13:52 | but looking forward to be back soon | |
| 13:53 | * jcamins_away | waves to tcohen, marcelr, and schuster |
| 13:53 | marcelr | hi jcamins away.. |
| 13:53 | kf | hi marcelr |
| 13:54 | probably going to regret the question - but any opinions about the filename in bug 7298? | |
| 13:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7298 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , export late orders, with # of claims and claim dates |
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| 14:29 | schuster | does anyone else in their Koha database have a table called browser? I see that on my "testing" system and it is empty just curious. |
| 14:30 | marcelr | kf: will look at it later; please send me mail |
| 14:30 | bye koha | |
| 14:31 | magnuse | schuster: yeah, i have same thing, an empty table called browser |
| 14:34 | (on current master) | |
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| 14:39 | kf | schuster: I think it's related to an older feature to make classifications browsable |
| 14:39 | schuster: but I might be wrong :) | |
| 14:39 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 14:40 | schuster | Just thought it was strange so when I went to look at it and there wasn't anything there just curious. |
| 14:40 | schuster smiles :) | |
| 14:41 | * kf | waves at wizzyrea |
| 14:41 | collsk12 | Good morning all! Quick question: I am looking to set up notices at several elementary and secondary schools. I have set up all of the students with their homeroom teacher's email as their primary email. Is there any way to send one notice to each teacher for all of their students? |
| 14:41 | * magnuse | waves too |
| 14:42 | kf | collsk12: I don't think you can |
| 14:43 | chris_n | so what would cause the marc editor to not permit adding chars 7-10 in 008? |
| 14:43 | I can add 6 or edit any of the autogenerated chars | |
| 14:43 | collsk12 | Is there any special functionality to the guarantors that I should be looking at? |
| 14:43 | chris_n | thursday weirdness perhaps? |
| 14:44 | I can create the entire field in a line editor and paste it in, however | |
| 14:46 | jcamins_away | chris_n: are you using the plugin or trying to enter directly? |
| 14:47 | schuster | collsk12 - in Plano (67) schools we load the homeroom "description" into the Address field of the borrower record so it shows under the students picture. We also load the "code" into extended attributes so we can pull up a list of everyone from that homeroom with overdues. |
| 14:48 | Unfortunately there isn't great overdue reporting how schools would want to do it yet... Pondering it though... | |
| 14:48 | kf | schuster: I think you could perhaps use sql reports |
| 14:48 | and export those ... run some program to make letters | |
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| 14:50 | schuster | That's what we do now but it is a little cumbersome with mailmerge etc... so I'm pondering a way to do it through some template magic. |
| 14:50 | kf | I think perhaps using the guarantor functionality |
| 14:50 | and some way to say that for 'child' records you want a notice for the 'parent' | |
| 14:51 | collsk12 | schuster: I did a similar thing over here with extended attributes. I created an HR code for homerooms. It really helps with reporting, but not so much for notices. |
| 14:52 | kf: That's exactly what I was thinking. | |
| 14:52 | schuster | That might work, unfortunately we don't have emails in Koha "yet" for our teachers or students. I'm also a little hesitant right now to attach emails to teachers and send overdues out as there isn't a "clean" way to set end of year duedates throughout the year ... |
| 14:53 | jcamins_away | schuster: hard due date? |
| 14:53 | kf | yes |
| 14:53 | there is a clean way | |
| 14:53 | schuster | Librarians would be flooded with upset teachers about the curriculum items they have checked out. |
| 14:53 | kf | schuster: I think there is a lot of functionality to do what you want |
| 14:53 | jcamins_away | schuster: that's completely doable. |
| 14:53 | schuster: you're going to like being on Koha. :) | |
| 14:53 | kf | have you checked the circulation rules for 3.6? :) |
| 14:53 | new functionality | |
| 14:55 | schuster | yes and that is part of why I am trying to get an upgrade and move back to community... Sorry I'll go back and sit in my corner. |
| 14:55 | jcamins | schuster: no problem. We like being able to brag to people about how much Koha has improved in the last year. |
| 14:56 | kf | jcamins: meany ;) |
| 14:56 | jcamins | kf: it's true! |
| 14:57 | kf | yes, koha is absoutely great:) |
| 14:57 | chris_n | jcamins: direct entry after the plug-in has auto generated the field |
| 14:57 | while creating a new record from scratch | |
| 14:59 | jcamins | chris_n: and you backspaced the spaces that are in there before trying to change it? |
| 14:59 | schuster | jcamins - discovered I ran the linker in "test" mode but here is the output at the end of the file - runtime 889536 ms, checked 27524 bibs, modified 0, errors 13985, linked 2223, unlinked 63634, fuzzy 0 |
| 15:00 | jcamins | schuster: right, that part of the test was to confirm that nothing was modified. |
| 15:00 | chris_n | jcamins: let me ask :-) |
| 15:00 | jcamins | schuster: I erred on the side of "good grief why are you testing that too?!?" |
| 15:00 | ;) | |
| 15:01 | schuster | I think the 13985 are the bibs I loaded with the batch load tool... Wonders why it doesn't like them...?? Thoughts? they are searchable. |
| 15:02 | jcamins | schuster: Could you e-mail me one? |
| 15:02 | schuster | eyp |
| 15:02 | jcamins | I was ultra-conservative with error handling. |
| 15:05 | schuster: thanks. Taking a look. | |
| 15:05 | chris_n | jcamins++ |
| 15:05 | schuster | should I remove the test and run again? I can understand the conservative part since that is the data we depend on! |
| 15:05 | Shane-S | anyone ever migrated from the ancient Follett Circ/Cat system? |
| 15:06 | I found docs saying to use MarcEdit to more 852 to 952 records | |
| 15:06 | schuster | wizzyrea's office! possibly someone from MassCat... |
| 15:06 | Shane-S that can be done - we use MarcEdit quite a bit actually in our office to modify records. | |
| 15:07 | jcamins | schuster: let me check what the story is with that record, and then you can continue the testing regimen. |
| 15:07 | chris_n | seems that koha's autogenerated 008 field should have an 'b' in 06 by default rather than a 't' since no date is provided by default |
| 15:07 | mbalmer | is there an OpenGrok for Koah somewehre? |
| 15:07 | chris_n | that way if one failed to enter a date, 008 would still be correct |
| 15:07 | jcamins | chris_n: I have often thought that. |
| 15:07 | mbalmer | aka sth like nxr.netbsd.org, but not for the NetBSD sourcs, but the Koha sources? |
| 15:08 | chris_n | jcamins: I'll open a bug and fix it then |
| 15:08 | schuster | seconds the 008 discussion. |
| 15:09 | jcamins | Hrm. No problem with that record for me. |
| 15:09 | schuster: how many records do you have in your database? | |
| 15:10 | (the test database) | |
| 15:10 | schuster | 27524 bibs |
| 15:10 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 15:11 | It worked properly. | |
| 15:11 | schuster | some I loaded and then the "default test" batch. |
| 15:11 | jcamins | Yeah, so those errors are due to stale data. |
| 15:11 | schuster | ok we'll see what happens! |
| 15:11 | jcamins | :) |
| 15:12 | You'll get the same number of "errors" every time you run it. | |
| 15:12 | Well, every time you run it on the whole database. | |
| 15:12 | But it's harmless. | |
| 15:13 | schuster | K just moving along with my testing... |
| 15:13 | jcamins | Probably a bulkmarcimport run failed, and rather than silently ignoring the bibs that weren't actually loaded, the linker tells you. |
| 15:13 | :) | |
| 15:13 | collsk12 | Has anyone migrated from Winnebago/Spectrum? |
| 15:14 | wizzyrea | we have done that, or had it done for us. |
| 15:14 | collsk12 | wizzyrea: Do you konw if there were any problems with the barcodes? |
| 15:14 | wizzyrea | oh yes |
| 15:14 | lots | |
| 15:14 | collsk12 | LOL! |
| 15:15 | wizzyrea | checksums, iirc |
| 15:15 | or checkdigits | |
| 15:15 | i mean | |
| 15:15 | jcamins | Ooh, Winnebago/Spectrum is the one that has its own barcode scheme that allows for duplicate barcodes, isn't it? |
| 15:15 | wizzyrea | i think that's right yea |
| 15:15 | kf | how horrible |
| 15:15 | collsk12 | I just can't figure out what the checkdigit is. It looks like an arbitrary code 39,mod 10 situation. |
| 15:16 | * jcamins | uses that ILS for scary campfire stories. :) |
| 15:16 | collsk12 | jcamins: LOL!! |
| 15:17 | I'll probably end up loading a database with the original, code 39, and mod 10 variations and inventorying the system against that table. Good times! | |
| 15:19 | bshum | collsk12: Spectrum was one of our first libs migrated and it turned out their 14 digit barcodes had their first digit lopped off and the check digit calculated on the fly. Which was fun for the "legitimate" 12 digit barcodes floating throughout their collection too. |
| 15:20 | Course our lib was probably just weird, hope you have better luck. | |
| 15:20 | collsk12 | bshum: Thanks! So I might need some more columns on that table, eh? |
| 15:21 | * jcamins | watches collsk12 run screaming off into the sunset. |
| 15:21 | schuster | scan a barcode into notepad and see what really comes up and then try and figure out if you can manipulate the data to match before it goes into Koha. |
| 15:21 | collsk12 | jcamins: Uh huh... |
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| 15:21 | bshum | collsk12: Potentially, if you find out that the lib wasn't consistently saving barcode components, or were doing so with different sized barcodes (our lib ended up with 5+ barcode variations, and we never got them figured out) |
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| 15:22 | schuster | ooo hears rebarcode ... |
| 15:22 | collsk12 | For our situation, it looks like the last digit is the wildcard. They were "pretty" consistent with the 14-digit type, but there are a few 6-digit barcodes I have to find. |
| 15:23 | schuster | Then there is always the "I'm bringing 6 libraries together" did they all have unique barcodes? |
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| 15:23 | collsk12 | We had a similar 5+ barcode variation issue at our high school and middle school libraries, but luckily we were able to hack the Follett database to give us the conversion table. |
| 15:24 | Shane-S | just some quick marc questions (I do IT not Library stuff fyi) =LDR ... is that a new biblio record? |
| 15:24 | * jcamins | pictures collsk12 holding a machete and standing over a pile of MARC tags. |
| 15:24 | jcamins | Shane-S: basically. |
| 15:24 | That's the "Leader" | |
| 15:24 | @marc leader | |
| 15:24 | huginn | jcamins: unknown tag leader |
| 15:24 | jcamins | @marc ldr |
| 15:24 | huginn | jcamins: unknown tag ldr |
| 15:24 | jcamins | @marc 000 |
| 15:24 | huginn | jcamins: unknown tag 000 |
| 15:24 | jcamins | Oh, for crying out loud... |
| 15:24 | Shane-S | bot = fail |
| 15:24 | schuster | Likes the image of collsk12 over a follett system with the machete... |
| 15:24 | collsk12 | schuster: Same barcodes, we are running separate instances for each library, until we can rebarcode. Which might be sooner than I thought :/ |
| 15:25 | jcamins | marc21? |
| 15:25 | wahanui | marc21 is probably at http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]hic/ecbdlist.html , http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ecadlist.html |
| 15:25 | jcamins | Shane-S: see the first link. |
| 15:25 | schuster | @marc LDR |
| 15:25 | huginn | schuster: unknown tag LDR |
| 15:25 | Shane-S | I tax it $* where * = letters are subsets in the series? |
| 15:25 | tax/take | |
| 15:25 | collsk12 | The LDR tells you about the following details of the marc record |
| 15:26 | I've used MARCEdit to delete these fields and rebuild them. | |
| 15:26 | Shane-S | okay, I am just editing the record in MarcEditor and trying to make sense of what I see |
| 15:26 | jcamins | $[a-z0-9] are subfield markers. |
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| 15:29 | Shane-S | I read on a page for converting follett to koha the 852 record needs to become 952, and that seems true, but there two @ in 852$x it looks like this (typing manually, as I am on a Mac, not the windows system running MarcEdit) |
| 15:30 | chris_n | low-hanging fruit alert: bug 7585 |
| 15:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7585 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Correct MARC 008 Value Builder Char 06 Default |
| 15:30 | Shane-S | $xFSCaRc20031029 |
| 15:30 | That looks like it needs to be broken up | |
| 15:30 | obviously the c is copyright | |
| 15:31 | schuster | or purchase or? |
| 15:31 | Shane-S | any idea what values should replace the @ or is it just duplicated $x fields? |
| 15:31 | schuster | Since that would be item specific information... Depends on how Follett used that data. |
| 15:31 | collsk12 | Shane-S: See http://legacyhelp.fsc.follett.[…]s_information.htm |
| 15:32 | schuster | oh... collsk12 beat me too it! |
| 15:32 | collsk12 | @aR is a "Regular" circulation type, @c is the acquisition date |
| 15:32 | huginn | collsk12: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 15:33 | Shane-S | collsk12: Thanks, I never would have guess that...now to learn how to use MARCEditor |
| 15:33 | collsk12 | Shane-S: Learning experience for me as well :) |
| 15:33 | * jcamins | curses real estate. |
| 15:36 | mveron | Hi #koha |
| 15:36 | We stumbled over a problem with search + languages in the Opac. | |
| 15:36 | * mveron | 'We' = 4 developers and librarians exploring Koha in weekly sessions |
| 15:36 | mveron | The dropdown "Languages" does not work. For example, if German is selected I do not get the expected results. |
| 15:36 | * mbalmer | greets mveron |
| 15:36 | mveron | If I enter the language code directly into the keyword field, e.g. "Glauser ger", i get the expected results. |
| 15:37 | Is this related to Bug 2559? | |
| 15:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2559 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Language limit on Spanish returns Russian records or is it English ... |
| 15:37 | mveron | mbalmer: greets |
| 15:39 | schuster | oooh jcamins sending good vibes... |
| 15:39 | MarcEdit - freeware tool... There are youtube videos out there and I use it on a regular basis. | |
| 15:41 | kf | mbalmer: probably related to your data |
| 15:41 | I am not sure, but one of the controlled fields might be involved here | |
| 15:41 | ah sorry, meant mveron | |
| 15:42 | mveron | kf: No problem, mbalmer stands at my desk :-) |
| 15:42 | kf | i did a search for hebrew and the results look sound to me |
| 15:42 | mbalmer | kf, no problem, we ar in the same office, we can literally yell at each other ;) |
| 15:43 | kf | I can't recommend yelling at each other |
| 15:43 | moodaepo | @marc 001 |
| 15:43 | huginn | moodaepo: The control number assigned by the organization creating, using, or distributing the record. The MARC code for the organization is contained in field 003 (Control Number Identifier). [] |
| 15:43 | schuster | is it pulling the language code from the 008? Check the marc record and that tag to see the language selection. |
| 15:43 | @marc 008 | |
| 15:43 | huginn | schuster: This field contains 40 character positions (00-39) that provide coded information about the record as a whole and about special bibliographic aspects of the item being cataloged. These coded data elements are potentially useful for retrieval and data management purposes. [] |
| 15:43 | kf | schuster: that's what I suspect |
| 15:43 | mbalmer | kf, we usually don't do that, we work in a nice a constructive athmosphere here |
| 15:43 | kf | only always confusing 007,008 and LDR :) |
| 15:44 | mveron | kf: We defined de language in 008 |
| 15:44 | schuster | yes 007 gets in there with more of the AV items and confuses me too. |
| 15:44 | kf | well |
| 15:44 | that's wrong | |
| 15:44 | ger | |
| 15:44 | * jcamins | will yell enough for everyone. |
| 15:44 | kf | see langage code list from loc :) |
| 15:44 | mveron | kf: We have ger in 008 |
| 15:44 | kf | hmmm |
| 15:44 | ok, well guess that was too easy then | |
| 15:44 | not sure | |
| 15:45 | and records with ger do not all show up | |
| 15:45 | or wrong results show up? | |
| 15:45 | schuster | so you select language German and do the search with glauser - that record doesn't show up? |
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| 15:46 | mveron | They dont show up if we select "German" in the language drop down. |
| 15:46 | jcamins | Try the following search: |
| 15:46 | (one moment) | |
| 15:46 | mveron | If we put ger in the field 041 they are found |
| 15:46 | jcamins | ln:ger |
| 15:47 | schuster | @marc 041 |
| 15:47 | huginn | schuster: Codes for languages associated with an item when the language code in field 008/35-37 of the record is insufficient to convey full information. This includes records for multilingual items, items that involve translation, and items where the medium of communication is a sign language. The sources of the codes are: MARC Code List for Languages or other code lists such as ISO 639-1 (Codes for the (1 more message) |
| 15:47 | jcamins | mveron: that was for you. |
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| 15:47 | vfernandes | hi guys |
| 15:48 | kf | mveron: oh |
| 15:48 | mveron: well it makes sense... kind of. not sure if I am happy with that though | |
| 15:49 | mveron | with ln:ger we get just a couple of German records, only the 041 ones, not the 008 ones |
| 15:49 | vfernandes | one little question :) using bulkmarcimport to import is possible to set the biblionumber? my client wants to maintain the ids of the old system so i need to migrate the id in the field 001 right? |
| 15:49 | kf | mveron: ok, I was wrong then :) not sure it's something that was changed since we started with Koha |
| 15:49 | jcamins | mveron: I have a theory that you'll have to check since I'm busy. |
| 15:49 | kf | perhaps it should also take the 008 field into account? |
| 15:49 | jcamins | mveron: open up etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblio/record.abs |
| 15:49 | Look for the 008 line. | |
| 15:50 | You should see ln somewhere on it. | |
| 15:50 | I theorize that it's back to a numeric index. | |
| 15:50 | mveron | jcamins: mbalmer takes over |
| 15:50 | jcamins | It'll look something like ln(xx,yy):n if I'm right. |
| 15:50 | If I'm wrong, there will be a :w instead of :n | |
| 15:51 | schuster | Yes in looking at the bug noted above it does look like it was never fully "resolved" and the language codes are not matching. |
| 15:52 | jcamins | Time to go. |
| 15:52 | mbalmer | ijcamins, is that the "melm 008 .." line? |
| 15:52 | vfernandes | no one can helps me? |
| 15:52 | jcamins_away | mbalmer: yes. |
| 15:52 | schuster | vfernandes - why? when we migrated we moved the original bib number to 999 for future reference but let the system assign a new bib number. |
| 15:52 | mbalmer | lm:n:range(data,35,3) |
| 15:52 | kf | vfernandes: I think there is a bug for that - I think currently it's not yet possible |
| 15:53 | jcamins_away | Yeah, that's wrong. |
| 15:53 | Needs to be ln:w:range(data,35,3) | |
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| 15:53 | mbalmer | ok. |
| 15:53 | kf | vfernandes: I am sure it's in bugzilla - not sure about the status. and it will only work for numeric values |
| 15:53 | vfernandes | schuster because the client wants to maintain their id's |
| 15:53 | jcamins_away | Change it, reindex, see if it fixes it, then submit a patch. |
| 15:53 | wahanui | jcamins_away: that doesn't look right |
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| 15:53 | vfernandes | it's only numeric values |
| 15:53 | mbalmer | how do I reindex? |
| 15:53 | kf | vfernandes: I don't think it's a good idea though, there are other ways to store their ids |
| 15:53 | jcamins_away | mbalmer: rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r [-x] |
| 15:54 | Wish me luck! | |
| 15:54 | And patience. | |
| 15:54 | Lots of patience. | |
| 15:54 | schuster | Oh sooo much... |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | good luck jcamins_away |
| 15:54 | jcamins_away | Thanks. |
| 15:55 | vfernandes | it's a demand from the client :/ |
| 15:56 | if the marcxml as the 001 filled shouldn't be the record number? | |
| 15:57 | Shane-S | so is there a way to make Koha import 852 -> 952 as that seems to be my main import issue, or must I do my replace with MARCedit? |
| 15:58 | mbalmer | how do I run that revbuild_zebra.pl script? I get tons of error messages |
| 15:58 | Shane-S | mbalmer use git or packages? |
| 15:58 | mbalmer | packages |
| 15:58 | wahanui | package info is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze |
| 15:59 | Shane-S | it should run every 5 minutes, but you can do koha-rebuild-zebra <sitenamehere> |
| 16:00 | I am on Ubuntu so I have to do sudo koha-rebuild-zebra npslibrary | |
| 16:00 | mbalmer | ok, let's see... |
| 16:02 | jcamins_away | mbalmer: koha-rebuild-zebra --full |
| 16:02 | * jcamins_away | comes back for a few minutes. |
| 16:02 | jcamins_away | Shane-S: you'll need to use MarcEdit. |
| 16:02 | mbalmer | my colleagues are verifying... |
| 16:03 | seems they find more now | |
| 16:03 | kf | mbalmer: there is documentation on the commands I think |
| 16:03 | mbalmer | they say it's ok now. |
| 16:03 | jcamins_away | vfernandes: bug 6113 |
| 16:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6113 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , enhancement to keep previous ids |
| 16:03 | jcamins_away | mbalmer: okay, so you should submit a bug and patch for that. |
| 16:03 | mbalmer | so our thursday afternoon session found a bug, nice. |
| 16:03 | sure | |
| 16:03 | Shane-S | mbalmer: if they need books/changes to appear sooner, have them adjust the cron job's time |
| 16:04 | kf | Shane-S: different problem here |
| 16:05 | Shane-S: mbalmer wants to reindex because he changed something in the indexing rules :) | |
| 16:05 | Shane-S | oh :p |
| 16:06 | vfernandes | thank you jcamins :) |
| 16:06 | Shane-S | I try to help even if I am a total nub |
| 16:07 | <-- off to play with MARCedit | |
| 16:08 | kf | Shane-S++ .) |
| 16:08 | reiveune | à demain |
| 16:08 | wizzyrea | Shane-S++ we were all nubs once |
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| 16:08 | wizzyrea | bye! |
| 16:08 | hey something other than "bye" | |
| 16:10 | chris_n | hi wizzyrea |
| 16:10 | wizzyrea | heya |
| 16:14 | oleonard | Anyone ever set up two VirtualBox VMs so that one could access the webserver on the other? |
| 16:14 | * jcamins_away | has. |
| 16:15 | jcamins_away | I use two NICs. |
| 16:15 | One set to NAT, one set to Host-only. | |
| 16:15 | oleonard | jcamins_away: Did you follow some instructions somewhere? |
| 16:15 | jcamins_away | druthb does it differently. |
| 16:15 | oleonard: no, I think I made it up as I went along. | |
| 16:17 | It was pretty easy, I think. | |
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| 16:17 | jcamins_away | Finally, the seller's lawyer told us who to make the checks out to. |
| 16:17 | chris_n | sortta hard to buy real-estate w/o knowing who to pay ;-) |
| 16:18 | jcamins_away | You're telling me! |
| 16:18 | kf | yay :) |
| 16:18 | chris_n | @seen sekjal |
| 16:18 | huginn | chris_n: sekjal was last seen in #koha 6 days, 18 hours, 23 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <sekjal> okay, folks, I'm out for the night. been a blast. |
| 16:18 | kf | time to leave :) |
| 16:18 | bye all | |
| 16:18 | chris_n | bye |
| 16:18 | long night sekjal | |
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| 16:19 | nengard | heh |
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| 16:24 | wizzyrea | oh wow speak of the devil :) |
| 16:24 | sekjal | ... |
| 16:25 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 16:25 | is not a bad thing. | |
| 16:25 | sekjal | morning, #koha |
| 16:27 | mveron | jcamins: We filed a for the language / search problem: Bug 7586 |
| 16:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7586 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Search: Language restriction does show expected results (no items shown) |
| 16:28 | mveron | jcamins, kf and others: Wow, that was a fast solution! We appreciate! |
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| 16:33 | mveron | I mistaked with the title of bug 7586, does NOT show expected results :-/ |
| 16:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7586 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Search: Language restriction does NOT show expected results (no items shown) |
| 16:33 | schuster | mveron - well you know what the problem is now to get someone to "fix it"... Looks to be simple, but someone has to take the time... |
| 16:34 | sekjal was conjured when called? | |
| 16:34 | mveron | schuster: mbalmer will take care of it |
| 16:35 | * mbalmer | is mveron's code-slave ;) |
| 16:35 | schuster | jcamins_away - let me know when you are back in there is a small tweak on LinkerModule |
| 16:36 | in 45 and 48 of the test it did the reverse. | |
| 16:36 | oleonard | Oh man I want a code-slave! |
| 16:36 | schuster | I have a code friend, but he doesn't understand library speak... or Koha. |
| 16:37 | mbalmer | neither do I (at least the library speak part) |
| 16:37 | * mveron | mbalmer will get a beer. After coding. |
| 16:39 | oleonard | Oh man I want a beer after coding! |
| 16:40 | * wizzyrea | offers to buy oleonard beers |
| 16:40 | sekjal | try a beer during: http://xkcd.com/323/ |
| 16:40 | wizzyrea | except I'm in kansas and we have weird laws about beer crossing state lines. |
| 16:40 | they did actually prove that creativity was greatest when you are groggy or slightly tipsy. | |
| 16:41 | that's a scientific fact :P | |
| 16:41 | which is why you have your best ideas in the shower. | |
| 16:41 | * oleonard | cheers science and selectively doesn't hear the groggy part |
| 16:41 | * mbalmer | turns beer into code |
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| 16:44 | mveron | mveron: One more question to the language thing: Where can we change the list of languages in teh drop down? |
| 16:45 | We need to insert e.g. "Swiss German" and remove other, unused languages | |
| 16:46 | Shane-S | what field does dewy decimal generally go in Koha? |
| 16:47 | my marc record has 3 field with what looks like a dewy | |
| 16:47 | wizzyrea | wait wait |
| 16:47 | that xkcd cites "the Ballmer peak" | |
| 16:47 | I find this amusing | |
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| 16:51 | mbalmer | http://xkcd.com/323/ |
| 16:57 | * oleonard | thinks he's going to need something stronger than beer after testing in IE today... |
| 17:01 | mbalmer | see you on the other side.. |
| 17:01 | gaetan_B | bye #koha! |
| 17:10 | oleonard | I've attached a preliminary patch to Bug 7584 if anyone is interested in testing. I haven't tested any browsers on Mac, IE7, or IE9 |
| 17:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7584 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Update cart and lists buttons style using CSS3 features |
| 17:10 | wizzyrea | ooo |
| 17:11 | oleonard++ | |
| 17:11 | :D | |
| 17:11 | oleonard | You know me, always looking for ways to break libraries' CSS customizations :P |
| 17:12 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 17:12 | you'd probably break mine but it would be ok because I imagine yours are prettier than mine :P | |
| 17:13 | oleonard | The update keeps the same look, just updates the underlying CSS and markup |
| 17:13 | wizzyrea | actually you probably just did what I did in my overrides + new styling. |
| 17:13 | or something very similar. | |
| 17:13 | oleonard | Here's the before and after (or after and before?) http://www.screencast.com/t/1jshtzrGk9x |
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| 17:14 | wizzyrea | nice! |
| 17:14 | I think the display is even a little nicer with the CSS. | |
| 17:15 | sekjal | now we we could just replace that cart icon with something a little more generic.... a fancy UTF-8 character, perhaps |
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| 17:16 | oleonard | sekjal: With my update the icon and color are both in CSS at least |
| 17:16 | sekjal | wehoo! oleonard++ |
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| 17:17 | oleonard | IE gets no icon because it lacks support for multiple backgrounds |
| 17:17 | wizzyrea | bad IE, no icon for you! |
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| 17:18 | Shane-S | oleonard: layer a div or span over it for the background perhaps? |
| 17:19 | oleonard | Not important enough to me Shane-S. Maybe someone else will demand it, I dunno. |
| 17:20 | Shane-S | can I see it so I can tell what your talking about? |
| 17:21 | oleonard | The patch is attached to Bug 7584. The look of the buttons hasn't changed at all though. |
| 17:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7584 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Update cart and lists buttons style using CSS3 features |
| 17:21 | wizzyrea | you could even sign off on that if you wanted. |
| 17:21 | :) | |
| 17:21 | easy one | |
| 17:21 | oleonard | For example: background: url("../../images/cart.gif"),-moz-linear-gradient(top, #e5f1d4 0%, #cbe4aa 50%, #c0de98 100%); |
| 17:22 | That sets the background image and a background gradient at the same time. | |
| 17:22 | (in Firefox syntax) | |
| 17:22 | wizzyrea | love those linear gradients. so hot. |
| 17:22 | oleonard | http://www.colorzilla.com/gradient-editor/ FTW |
| 17:27 | wizzyrea | still no batch patron delete, right? |
| 17:27 | moodaepo | oleonard++ |
| 17:28 | wizzyrea | oh yea that gradient maker thing is so flippin great |
| 17:28 | * moodaepo | has used that quite a bit among others |
| 17:29 | schuster | wizzyrea - not that I have seen on the patron delete. |
| 17:34 | wizzyrea | and no batch patron mod either. |
| 17:34 | schuster, how do you handle your kids? | |
| 17:34 | a full reload? | |
| 17:34 | *NEKLS thinks of adding a school | |
| 17:34 | * oleonard | guesses lots of paddling |
| 17:34 | wizzyrea | to nexpress |
| 17:34 | * wizzyrea | gives oleonard the stink eye |
| 17:34 | wizzyrea | j/k :) |
| 17:34 | oleonard | Stinkeye... That's a paddlin' |
| 17:35 | wizzyrea | owie |
| 17:35 | schuster | Yes we reload all borrowers 2 times a week. Monday and Thursdays - the gradebook program provides a csv file(our database manager "appends" the header) and we have a cron job that goes out and picks it up and process the file. |
| 17:35 | wizzyrea | oh mah lord. |
| 17:35 | schuster | I'm working on submitting our process to community. |
| 17:36 | it loads about 55,000 students in 45 minutes. | |
| 17:36 | That doesn't get rid of those that are not updated though. | |
| 17:36 | wizzyrea | does it "dump" - yea, that's what I was wondering |
| 17:36 | does it dump the old ones. | |
| 17:37 | oleonard | (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFgR0m-9FmM btw) |
| 17:37 | cait | what I do for one of our libraries is |
| 17:38 | debar all patrons, then reload | |
| 17:38 | schuster | Someone pointed out that they set their expiration date to June 20 of the year they graduate. That way they can at least look at those to determine who has not gotten an update and then delete them manually. |
| 17:38 | cait | so those who ar enot in the file will still be debarred after reimporting |
| 17:38 | schuster | ah yep . |
| 17:38 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 17:39 | collsk12 | schuster: Do you know what cron job you run? I've been doing the same thing manually every week. |
| 17:39 | * wizzyrea | suspects it's custom |
| 17:39 | schuster | There is no datetime stamp on the borrower record to track update unless you load it as part of the borrower load. |
| 17:40 | collsk12 - that's a cron I'm working to get submitted to community it was something LibLime did for us 4 years ago and I never realized it wasn't out for public consumption until last month. | |
| 17:41 | collsk12 | Gotcha....well fine then ;) |
| 17:41 | * oleonard | suppresses a snort |
| 17:41 | schuster | i tried the manual thing but our files are so large it would time out... |
| 17:41 | I'll get back on that patch submission hopefully this afternoon. I'm close to submission. | |
| 17:42 | I also have one for batch loading student pictures that I'm working on getting submitted | |
| 17:42 | collsk12 | sounds awesome! |
| 17:42 | * wizzyrea | is just glad schuster actually owns his code. |
| 17:42 | wizzyrea | and thus can share it :) |
| 17:42 | schuster | :) |
| 17:42 | Another reason we are not going down the rabbit hole. | |
| 17:46 | I'm looking for an sql of borrowers that owe money and/or have overdue books - suggestions? | |
| 17:46 | I don't see anything in the SQL report library | |
| 17:47 | wizzyrea | really? |
| 17:47 | that seems... odd | |
| 17:47 | report library? | |
| 17:47 | wahanui | report library is, like, at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
| 17:47 | oleonard | So who's got a favorite responsive, fluid CSS grid system? |
| 17:48 | wizzyrea | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Overdue_materials |
| 17:48 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]#Total_Fines_Owed | |
| 17:48 | either of those? | |
| 17:48 | sekjal | the two could possibly be joined into one output with a UNION statement |
| 17:49 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 17:52 | * wizzyrea | is now annoyed by unix programs that use single - for longopts. |
| 17:52 | liw | wizzyrea, yes, that's annoying (also proof that I won't be inventing a time machine or I would've fixed it in the past) |
| 17:53 | wizzyrea | before I worked on koha, I would have just accepted that as "how it is" and not known the difference. |
| 17:53 | :) | |
| 17:53 | * wizzyrea | contributes to the liw time machine fund |
| 17:53 | schuster | Ok that's a start I guess. I found - http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Library#Patrons_w.2F_Fines which is close... need to explore more. |
| 17:55 | liw | wizzyrea, http://liw.fi/time-machine/ :) |
| 17:56 | wizzyrea | hahaha! |
| 17:57 | * chris_n | wonders what about changing sysprefs, etc. on koha requires a cold boot |
| 17:58 | chris_n | heya sekjal! |
| 17:58 | cait | memcache |
| 17:58 | or caching | |
| 17:58 | chris_n | wb to the day |
| 17:58 | cait | and hi chris_n |
| 17:58 | :) | |
| 17:58 | chris_n | hey cait |
| 17:58 | cait | I tihnk paul said before he did work on caching - so that would make sense to me |
| 17:58 | chris_n | changing authorized values? |
| 17:58 | are they cached? | |
| 18:00 | cait | no idea |
| 18:00 | Shane-S | so follet uses Marc21, what does Koha use (for when I order books) |
| 18:01 | wizzyrea | Marc21 :) |
| 18:01 | MARC21 | |
| 18:01 | same thing | |
| 18:01 | * wizzyrea | is still giggling over liw's time machine. |
| 18:02 | sekjal | hey, chris_n |
| 18:02 | tcohen | chris_n: authorized values do not seem to be cached |
| 18:02 | Shane-S | then I take it follets software moves 952 to 852? |
| 18:03 | wizzyrea | 952 is where koha keeps items |
| 18:03 | bc item records, and someone correct me if I'm wrong here, they aren't "standard" MARC | |
| 18:03 | Shane-S | oh okay so that is local data gotcha! |
| 18:03 | wizzyrea | 900's are local use fields that koha uses to store items |
| 18:03 | exactly :) | |
| 18:04 | cait | chris_n: no idea what exactly is going on there, but http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]ruary/031967.html |
| 18:04 | tcohen | mmm, memoize('GetAuthorisedValues') in C4/Koha.pm |
| 18:05 | cait | only if we can flush them on change please |
| 18:05 | it's so confusing if you change something but nothing changes | |
| 18:05 | even waiting 10 minutes is not good really :( | |
| 18:05 | tcohen | cait: I agree |
| 18:06 | chris_n | exactly |
| 18:06 | hence the caching "trap" :-) | |
| 18:06 | tcohen | cache invalidation, i hope next week I can provide a demo of a solution |
| 18:06 | chris_n | but the whole caching thing is still in the works and so an "unstable" feature |
| 18:07 | tcohen | i've just became co-maintainer of memoize::memcached |
| 18:07 | chris_n | in general, changes to koha should note require a cold boot I think |
| 18:07 | tcohen | a memcached service cold boot |
| 18:08 | chris_n | yes, a relaod or restart |
| 18:08 | reload, even :) | |
| 18:08 | tcohen | reloading is not an option as sessions might be stored there too! |
| 18:09 | cait | and not everyone has command line access |
| 18:09 | chris_n | I'm assuming that once caching is fully implemented there will be cache-flushing routines to avoid cli access requirements |
| 18:10 | * chris_n | tries to imagine training his librarians to do such admin tasks each time they update/add an authorized value |
| 18:12 | schuster | schuster shudders at the thought. |
| 18:12 | chris_n | tcohen: great news on the co-maintainership btw |
| 18:12 | tcohen | i'll try to change the memoize API so we pass an array of 'invalidator functions' |
| 18:12 | schuster | anyone use the Overdue and Fines on the circ page? it isn't even documented in the 3.6 manual... |
| 18:13 | cait | they are reports :) |
| 18:13 | Shane-S | crap...seems follet or the book company added a "T" to the barcode number, but the actual barcode does not pull in the "T" as it means "text" on my phone scanner. Can I batch remove all the T's from barcode numbers? |
| 18:13 | cait | not so much to document I think, one shows overdues ,one overdues with fines :) |
| 18:14 | schuster | I can't even get it to provide me a anything for the Overdue and Fines report so that's why I was asking. |
| 18:15 | Shane-S - is the T actually scanned as part of the barcode? | |
| 18:16 | Shane-S | No scanned (via my phone, I will try with the handheld later) it comes up 0054190, but in the imported data Koha has it as T0054190 |
| 18:16 | schuster | Shane-S - sounds like a job for Marcedit! - you would think I was a sales person but I'm not. |
| 18:16 | collsk12 | Shane-S: Follett is a nightmare to export. Pull a few books and scan the barcodes in notepad. It will give you an indication of how bad the situation is. |
| 18:16 | Do you have access to the Follett database, by chance? | |
| 18:16 | cait | schuster: laast time I worked with it was 3.2.2 |
| 18:17 | Shane-S | No clue how to use it, but I already MarcEdit the export and imported 9,000 records into Koha :( |
| 18:17 | cait | schuster: what do you mean it does not you a anything? |
| 18:17 | Shane-S | Now I found the barcode issue...this will be "FUN" |
| 18:17 | collsk12 | Yup |
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| 18:17 | Shane-S | Can I purge Koha's data easily? |
| 18:18 | collsk12 | Barcodes seem to be a very common way to "keep" your customers. |
| 18:18 | wizzyrea | Shane-S: http://koha-community.org/?qa_[…]bs-start-fresh-it |
| 18:18 | collsk12 | Shane-S: Might not be necessary. Do you have access to the database? |
| 18:19 | Shane-S | its just a test system I can do anything to it, or do you mean Follett? |
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| 18:19 | collsk12 | I mean follett |
| 18:19 | wizzyrea | do see that link though, Shane-S |
| 18:19 | Shane-S | wizzyrea: yes thank you |
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| 18:20 | wizzyrea | and the command is missing there, but it's a misc/migration_tools/rebuild-zebra.pl -b -r -v |
| 18:20 | or you're on packages, just use the koha-rebuild | |
| 18:20 | collsk12 | Long story short. I migrated from a follett system. The T seems to be applied to every "title" in follet and i think it was a "P" added to every patron; however, follett also built in some padding, which was pretty arbitrary. |
| 18:20 | wizzyrea | or whatever it is :P |
| 18:20 | Shane-S | kk :P |
| 18:21 | collsk12: MARCEdit will probably help me out there :D | |
| 18:21 | collsk12 | I was able to get into the follett database a export a table that had the "T 123456" next to the "T00123456", or whatever the case may be. |
| 18:22 | Shane-S | Don't feel like stressing my 60+ year librarian out, she gets worried when I come in...charge = heart failure :P |
| 18:22 | collsk12 | MARCEdit couldn't help me, because there was no rule to the number of zeros follett added. |
| 18:22 | Feel your pain, buddy. | |
| 18:22 | Shane-S | zeros scan fine, letters don't |
| 18:23 | I have to test some barcodes first, so I will see | |
| 18:23 | if I HAD to get on Circ/Cat I can, but I have no idea what the DB run under in OS9 | |
| 18:23 | collsk12 | The letters will scan. I would test a random selection of barcode before you go hack up the export in MARCedit. |
| 18:24 | MARCEdit will work wonders if every single barcode follows the same pattern. I will keep my fingers crossed for you. | |
| 18:25 | Shane-S | this book I have is old, so I have to get in there an scan away with my phone and the scanner and see if it varies and what I get |
| 18:25 | collsk12 | You could even just fix it on the database using some mysql magic |
| 18:25 | Shane-S | it doesn't have a T in the number (nor the padded zeros) but my phone isn't scanning a T |
| 18:26 | collsk12 | That's fine. Just make sure that ALL of your books follow the same pattern. |
| 18:26 | Or you will have a very stressed out librarian. | |
| 18:26 | Shane-S | yeah, luckily I am not afraid of MySQL, just trying to make it import data easily, so I can do it if we move to production |
| 18:28 | might just right a little .php script and do an if or case statement on the field | |
| 18:28 | as most have T00, but just found an odd ball X88888004 | |
| 18:30 | I am sure an SQL pro can make fetch first 3 character of a field, find all that match, update with removing...just seems easier to script it to me :P | |
| 18:30 | actually...MARCEdit... Find $pT00 replace $p00...pending barcodes | |
| 18:31 | schuster | Shane-S yep |
| 18:31 | collsk12 | You could do it either way, I just found it easier to do the update on the table rather than reimport. |
| 18:31 | But your odd ball will cause issues. | |
| 18:32 | schuster | Not sure how the indexing works when you manually edit the tables that's what makes me nervous. |
| 18:32 | collsk12 | Works like a charm. |
| 18:32 | Shane-S | where does/is an items location stored/set, I noticed all imports are in "holdings" until I edit and save and it adds shelving and location data |
| 18:32 | schuster | 952 a and b |
| 18:33 | Shelving and location are what I call collection codes - NF, E, FIC etc... those are 952 8 and c | |
| 18:33 | 952 a and b are what I call the branches | |
| 18:34 | Shane-S | okay I see the side codes, didn't know the number, I guess it is always 952 |
| 18:35 | what is 942c, Koha Item Type right? | |
| 18:35 | thought it has y next to it | |
| 18:35 | cait | c is shelving location i think |
| 18:35 | itemtype is y | |
| 18:35 | items? | |
| 18:35 | 952? | |
| 18:35 | wahanui | 952 is the field used for items in Koha. See http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_fields_%289xx%29 |
| 18:36 | rangi | Morning |
| 18:36 | cait | morning rangi |
| 18:36 | Shane-S | bah sorry 942c was old data...I see my MarcEdit put it in $y for 952 |
| 18:36 | sorry I am still catching on :P | |
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| 18:44 | oleonard | rangi: Does Catalyst have a favorite CSS grid framework? |
| 18:45 | rangi | You're asking the wrong guy |
| 18:46 | I'll ask the design team :) | |
| 18:46 | oleonard | I would appreciate it. I think it's time to move the OPAC forward in that regard. |
| 18:46 | wizzyrea | down with YUI! |
| 18:47 | * oleonard | has been looking at Bootstrap today (http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/) |
| 18:47 | oleonard | ...although just for the grid system, not for the JS widgets |
| 18:47 | alaquerre | Hi all, is there a way to display more information in the search result page in OPAC. We would like to be able to show the Authorized Values value from NOT_FOR_LOAN instead of Available / Not Available. |
| 18:50 | libsysguy | While we are on the subject of the opac I have a random question |
| 18:51 | it seems like parts of the opac have been geared toward a landing page for libraries | |
| 18:51 | would that be a correct assessment? | |
| 18:51 | cait | down with yui! :) |
| 18:51 | oleonard | I don't understand your question libsysguy |
| 18:52 | libsysguy | well, we have several things we can put on the landing page for koha |
| 18:52 | news, logins etc | |
| 18:52 | sekjal | libsysguy: do you mean that Koha is set up to serve as the library's website, not just it's catalog? |
| 18:52 | libsysguy | basically |
| 18:52 | wizzyrea | it certainly *could* do that |
| 18:52 | cait | alaquerre: i think it used to be like that |
| 18:52 | ah result page | |
| 18:52 | not detail page | |
| 18:53 | libsysguy | I was thinking about a cool way for it to be more tightly integrated with a libraries website |
| 18:53 | wizzyrea | have you looked at SOPAC |
| 18:53 | libsysguy | yes, it failed miserably |
| 18:53 | wizzyrea | ew |
| 18:53 | libsysguy | or at least I wasn't a fan |
| 18:53 | wizzyrea | ok then. |
| 18:54 | sekjal | libsysguy: that'd rock. one of the things I'm facing now is that my library website and my catalog(s) are completely separate systems jurisdictions, but users don't make those distinctions |
| 18:54 | libsysguy | but there is a drupal integration module for pazpar2 |
| 18:54 | * wizzyrea | always just kipes the search form and plonks it on websites. |
| 18:54 | libsysguy | so how cool would it be to integrate the catalog into drupal and use that as a front end engine |
| 18:55 | * libsysguy | is going out on a limb here |
| 18:55 | libsysguy | so please nobody break out the saws :p |
| 18:55 | sekjal I have the same issue here | |
| 18:55 | oleonard | Isn't that the idea of SOPAC libsysguy? |
| 18:55 | libsysguy | its the idea |
| 18:55 | alaquerre | cait: Yes exactly in the result page. We use to set some value in the not for loan. Ex : "At the front desk". Right now, we display that there is not item available. If we can show instead :"Availability : At the front desk(1)" It would be so much better :-) |
| 18:56 | libsysguy | but i feel its not very well executed |
| 18:56 | alaquerre | cait : And right now... User think there is no document available. |
| 18:57 | cait | alaquerre: i think the problem is it will get too big |
| 18:57 | alaquerre: if you are a library with lots of different items, branches, values | |
| 18:57 | the availability informatoin in the result list will get too long | |
| 18:58 | alaquerre | Agreee, maybe I asked the wrong question.. How do you guys deal with document you dont want to let out of the library and still show the document available ? |
| 18:58 | rangi | My stop |
| 18:58 | Bbiab | |
| 18:59 | sekjal | libsysguy: so, would it be more practical to work to improve what SOPAC does, or to just scrap it and start afresh with a whole new module? |
| 19:00 | libsysguy | well I've been looking at this module /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/examples/exim-gencert |
| 19:00 | oops | |
| 19:00 | * libsysguy | is also working on emal :p |
| 19:00 | libsysguy | http://www.indexdata.com/masterkey |
| 19:01 | sekjal I think it depends on what you want to do...SOPAC and MasterKey have two very different aproaches to integration | |
| 19:02 | * sekjal | wants to get his library on Koha. and Drupal. but that'll take a long time |
| 19:02 | * libsysguy | feels sekjal's pain |
| 19:02 | libsysguy | its a long road |
| 19:05 | sekjal | I got a good plug in for open source systems at a webinar about Linked Data the other day |
| 19:06 | * libsysguy | kind of geeked out at the thought of Drupal/Koha harmony |
| 19:06 | * magnus_afk | perks up at the mention of linked data |
| 19:06 | rangi | back |
| 19:07 | sekjal | magnus_afk: I think it wouldn't be too hard to write a set of scripts to translate MARC records into a bunch of RDF statements. |
| 19:07 | magnus_afk | sekjal: here's one, written in ruby: https://github.com/digibib/marc2rdf |
| 19:07 | libsysguy | I thought rangi said RDF was dead in the water for now |
| 19:08 | magnus_afk | bug 7236 |
| 19:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7236 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Add "Save as RDF" option to the OPAC |
| 19:08 | sekjal | magnus_afk: well there we go! |
| 19:09 | * magnus_afk | wonders what rangi meant if he said that |
| 19:09 | magnus_afk | i only wish i had more time to tinker with it |
| 19:10 | libsysguy | maybe I just misread |
| 19:11 | rangi | RDA |
| 19:11 | not rdf | |
| 19:11 | sekjal | it's going to take some kind of critical mass to get the library world moving forward with RDF. but having open source tools and an easy way for hackers to quickly throw up a proof-of-concept RDF implementation will help speed that along |
| 19:11 | rangi | rdf is just spinning round in circles on the water |
| 19:11 | magnus_afk | ah, there's a difference there ;-) |
| 19:12 | rangi | yelling im not dead yet |
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| 19:14 | magnus_afk | sekjal: i'm sort of trying to get together a small poc of koha's opac "enhanced" by linked data... |
| 19:16 | LOC were being quite explicit about replacing marc with rdf/linked data not too long ago | |
| 19:16 | rangi | yup, for RDA in fact |
| 19:16 | magnus_afk | links at the top here, for those who have not seen it: http://marc-must-die.info/index.php/Main_Page ;-) |
| 19:30 | * oleonard | cuts out early |
| 19:30 | oleonard | See ya #koha |
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| 19:48 | * chris_n | finds a bug in the syspref editor whilst investigating the post on 3.6.2 |
| 19:48 | chris_n | if I change a setting and save it |
| 19:48 | then, without reloading the page, change it again | |
| 19:48 | it will not save | |
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| 19:50 | librarygeekadam | good day, I am running a test to use Koha, Dspace, and VuFind all on the same LAMP server. Could some one possibly tell me how I can get the local host to have more than one address? Right now both Dspace and Koha are fighting to use 127.0.1.1:8080 and 127.0.1.1:80. Dspace has a / after the 8080 and 80 but that doesn't seem to matter as Koha still comes up |
| 19:50 | I appreciate any advice anyone can give me | |
| 19:50 | I should say dspace is 127.0.1.1:8080/xumli | |
| 19:53 | any ideas on how i can direct koha to a different local host address so I can use both dspace and Koha? | |
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| 19:53 | druthb | All of those address/port combos should be being handled through Apache configs...so you should be able to just tinker with those to use different ports. |
| 19:53 | Koha's apache config is *very* easy to fix like that, at least. | |
| 19:53 | librarygeekadam | ok |
| 19:54 | I am new to the whole thing so Its been a steep learning curve | |
| 19:54 | druthb | DSpace (is it still using Tomcat?) would be harder to tinker with, so I'd say move Koha. |
| 19:54 | librarygeekadam | do you by chance know a good website for configuring Apache like that? |
| 19:54 | Dspace is using tomcat | |
| 19:54 | druthb | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/bind.html |
| 19:55 | librarygeekadam | then I would just open the file where i put in Listen 8080 and configure there correct? or is there another file I should configure? |
| 19:55 | druthb | Particularly the section on "How This Works With Virtual Hosts"...as the default Koha config uses VHosts. |
| 19:55 | You'll need to modify ports.conf, to listen on the port, then the vhost configs for staff and opac. :) | |
| 19:56 | (then restart Apache.) | |
| 19:56 | librarygeekadam | cool |
| 19:56 | druthb | Glad I could help. Good luck. |
| 19:56 | librarygeekadam | i appreciate the help on this! |
| 19:56 | thanks | |
| 20:03 | Shane-S | okay...tried...http://koha-community.org/?qa_[…]bs-start-fresh-it and then did http://koha-community.org/faq/[…]ndex-start-again/ yet OPAC and Admin still show results |
| 20:03 | * druthb | presses the "easy" button. |
| 20:03 | Shane-S | db tb biblio is empty when I do select * from biblio I get empty set |
| 20:04 | wonder if it doesn't work with the packages | |
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| 20:11 | * druthb | squees, and hugs Space_Librarian. |
| 20:13 | Shane-S | where else would zebra report errors I check in /var/log/koha/mysite zebra-error.log |
| 20:14 | cait | if biblio is empt |
| 20:14 | y | |
| 20:14 | you have no records in your database | |
| 20:14 | ah | |
| 20:14 | you still see results with now data? | |
| 20:14 | no data | |
| 20:14 | Shane-S | but Zebra ins't re-indexing, searches are coming back with catalog data |
| 20:15 | cait | hmm |
| 20:15 | Shane-S | I have done sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full npslibrary, without --full, and without the the site name |
| 20:15 | zebra-error.log is empty, and output just has warns | |
| 20:15 | rangi | it wont |
| 20:16 | add 1 item and it will | |
| 20:16 | its because -full dumps the biblios and then creates a new shadow file and copies it over | |
| 20:16 | no biblios to dump, it doesnt happen | |
| 20:16 | Shane-S | ah okay :P |
| 20:16 | rangi | soon as you add 1 record, it will get rid of the rest |
| 20:16 | Shane-S | I will work on my new marc import |
| 20:16 | thanks | |
| 20:33 | * Space_Librarian | is headdesking holds on ebooks. |
| 20:34 | wizzyrea | O.o |
| 20:34 | * wizzyrea | asks an obvious question |
| 20:34 | wizzyrea | what about digital media requires that an *ebook* have a *hold* |
| 20:35 | Shane-S | okay I appended $2 $a $b to my 952 with MarcEdit, and now the import did bring in an items in for holding, when i click add/edit item, it comes up with no books available, any idea why? |
| 20:35 | rangi | wizzyrea: its just internal business rules |
| 20:35 | Shane-S | didn't bring in any items* |
| 20:36 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 20:36 | rangi | tracking who has had what |
| 20:36 | cait | did you $y too? |
| 20:36 | Space_Librarian | wizzyrea, not in our library. Physical copies can have a hold, ebooks have an external link, so *technically not for loan* but we want them to be searchable and "available" and saying "not for loan" confuses people. *sigh* |
| 20:36 | wizzyrea | do you ahve libraries defined Shane-S |
| 20:36 | cait | and what did you put in $2? |
| 20:36 | oh, and what wizzyrea asks | |
| 20:36 | wizzyrea | Ohhh I see Space_Librarian |
| 20:36 | rangi | except for the ones that dont |
| 20:36 | cait | and make your all your $a and $b are capitals |
| 20:36 | rangi | where they deliver an electronic document to the person |
| 20:37 | it made my head hurt at training | |
| 20:37 | Space_Librarian | wizzyrea, so I've set holdings to 0 and reserve to 0, and they're still coming up in the holds. |
| 20:37 | rangi | :) |
| 20:37 | Shane-S | $y was in there I think...lemme check and $a & $b I made match how i see it for the drop downs |
| 20:37 | Space_Librarian | it's doing my head in now. |
| 20:37 | cait | Space_Librarian: ouch .( |
| 20:37 | wizzyrea | hm. so people can put holds on them, and you *don't* want that? |
| 20:37 | Space_Librarian | rangi, those were the articles, not the ebooks. They check those out and in again. |
| 20:37 | wizzyrea, yes. | |
| 20:37 | wizzyrea | how about |
| 20:37 | cait | Shane-S: must be the code from your branches table, not the drop down description |
| 20:37 | wizzyrea | make a rule "no holds" for the itype of your ebook |
| 20:37 | cait | look at administration > branches and groups (or similar) |
| 20:38 | and same for $y itemtypes | |
| 20:38 | rangi | have you seen my bag of money? |
| 20:38 | * rangi | wanders off on a tangent |
| 20:38 | bag | bag |
| 20:38 | Shane-S | $y was in included previously, it is set to "BK" which isn't valid, but that did affect the first import |
| 20:38 | Space_Librarian | wizzyrea, done that |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | and it's still letting people place holds? |
| 20:38 | multi branches? | |
| 20:38 | Space_Librarian | still coming up in the holds to pull report |
| 20:38 | single branch | |
| 20:38 | wahanui | single branch is a single branch in both opac and intranet |
| 20:39 | wizzyrea | using the default rules or the ones for a specific library |
| 20:39 | perhaps you need to create the rule for no holds on the library specific rules | |
| 20:39 | there's something about those holdability rules | |
| 20:39 | * Space_Librarian | wanders off to have a look |
| 20:39 | wizzyrea | sometimes they don't cascade correctly |
| 20:40 | * wizzyrea | bounces along with koha radio |
| 20:40 | cait | Shane-S: for $y I think it will work defining the codes later, butnot for branches |
| 20:40 | * Shane-S | goes to fix $a $b to be NPSD |
| 20:40 | wizzyrea | ^^ good idea :) |
| 20:41 | * Space_Librarian | goes to tinker |
| 20:43 | schuster | Shane-S - it is a good idea to setup the "Basic parameters" on the Administration page before trying to play too much. |
| 20:43 | wizzyrea | ^^^^^^^^ this |
| 20:43 | make sure you've stepped through the config | |
| 20:43 | at least the 1st section. | |
| 20:44 | Shane-S | schuster: I don't know what item types we want or need yet, it appears from Follet my librian only used "BK" or Book |
| 20:44 | schuster | Then you'll want to circ ... and you will have to remember to come back and do Patrons circulation, and then you will want to place holds... and you will have to oh better stop. |
| 20:44 | Sounds like you might need to team with your Librarian... | |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | Shane-S: then it would probably be advisable to install some sample data. |
| 20:44 | eternalsword | managed to get my external authentication method working via sysprefs instead of koha-conf.xml. might tackle ldap at some point, but the difference is ldap has this idea of mapping, that I'm not sure will translate well to the sysprefs system. something to think about. |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | which would help |
| 20:45 | Shane-S | schuster: wizzyrea for now I am just doing a proof of concept basically, but showing that I can import our data |
| 20:45 | wizzyrea | yea, but wow having that stuff set up will make that a lot easier |
| 20:45 | Shane-S | that was the one sticking point...not having the man hour to re-enter all the books |
| 20:46 | Space_Librarian | *sigh* |
| 20:46 | wizzyrea | ? |
| 20:46 | Shane-S | as per the librarian....she doesn't know about this...for fear of literally scaring her to death |
| 20:46 | wizzyrea | migration is certainly possible :) |
| 20:46 | many, many libraries have migrated from follett | |
| 20:46 | schuster | Data migration from one automation system to another can always be done... Depending on the Man hours you have available... |
| 20:47 | Space_Librarian | migration is always possible. And I am naming ebooks my nemesis. |
| 20:47 | Shane-S | I just want to be able to sit down an be like yep, I did it all, here is the working demo, with all our crap migrated to play with so you aren't scared and can ask me any questions and I don't stare blankly :D |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | no luck, Space_Librarian? |
| 20:48 | schuster | Shane-S - the Bib and Item data will move fairly easily it will be the patron info - probably best to start fresh at the beginning of next school year so you don't have to move over checkouts/fines etc... |
| 20:48 | That makes the data migration easier. | |
| 20:49 | Space_Librarian | they're still coming up in the holds queue |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | have you rerun the holds queue? |
| 20:49 | * wizzyrea | states the (sort of) obvious |
| 20:49 | Shane-S | Patrons will be easy, I can export from out Student System for that :P |
| 20:49 | Space_Librarian | yup a couple of times now. |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | okies, just checking :) |
| 20:49 | hmmm | |
| 20:49 | rangi | do they have acutual holds on them? when you look at the records themselves? |
| 20:49 | cait | the cronjobs or reloading the page? |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 20:49 | what cait said | |
| 20:50 | reloading the page won't "rerun" the hold queue | |
| 20:50 | schuster | You deleted the holds and then placed a new hold? |
| 20:51 | stating the obvious to me... Just because you changed the rule doesn't make it retrospective. | |
| 20:51 | rangi | you dangled the whositwhatsit with the thingamybobba? |
| 20:51 | * rangi | doesnt want to be left out |
| 20:51 | Space_Librarian | rangi the hard copies have holds on them, and the report is listing the next available item to pull |
| 20:51 | rangi | ahh yeah |
| 20:51 | schuster | LOL... tee hee... |
| 20:51 | chris_n | whositwhatsit? |
| 20:51 | Space_Librarian | cait, I'm rerunning the report. |
| 20:52 | rangi | it might need to wait for the next cron run |
| 20:52 | ill tell you when that is | |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | yea, the hold queue isn't "dynamic" |
| 20:52 | and schuster has a point | |
| 20:52 | the rule won't apply retroactively | |
| 20:52 | cait | ah makes sense |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | it won't un-list a hold that has already been picked. |
| 20:52 | rangi | every hour |
| 20:53 | schuster | schuster - not much help doesn't use hold que |
| 20:53 | rangi | so give it 8 mins |
| 20:53 | then check the report | |
| 20:53 | Space_Librarian | Yessir. |
| 20:53 | * rangi | crosses his fingers |
| 20:53 | Space_Librarian | Man, you guys are so awesome. I've missed you! :D |
| 20:53 | Shane-S | well thanks for the help, out of time have non-work RL stuff to do...must leave. You have all helped me make great progress! |
| 20:54 | Be back tomorrow to haunt the channel more :) | |
| 20:54 | Space_Librarian | cya Shane-S :) |
| 20:54 | schuster | but if it is already on the hold que the cron will "relook" at the parameters when building the que again? |
| 20:54 | wizzyrea | right |
| 20:54 | schuster | shows his stupidity in holds. |
| 20:54 | wizzyrea | nawwww |
| 20:55 | * Space_Librarian | ponders BoC for this evening. |
| 20:55 | schuster | Beer or Chardonay? |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | I just have questions about holds and circ more than anything else, so I know more about it |
| 20:55 | boards of canada? | |
| 20:57 | cait | beer and chocolate? |
| 20:57 | hm no o | |
| 20:57 | best of chocolate? :) | |
| 20:57 | lent- | |
| 20:57 | lent-- | |
| 20:57 | *sigh* | |
| 20:57 | schuster | yep... |
| 21:00 | Space_Librarian | mmmm. chcoclate |
| 21:02 | eternalsword | books or codexes |
| 21:05 | Space_Librarian | dagnabit |
| 21:06 | sekjal | Buckets of Cheese? |
| 21:07 | wizzyrea | no luck? |
| 21:07 | Space_Librarian | nope. |
| 21:07 | wizzyrea | ok, well, *are* there holds already? Or it lets you place them in the first place? |
| 21:09 | rangi | i think the problem as i understand it, is they cant place holds on the ebooks |
| 21:09 | but they show up in the report as the next available | |
| 21:09 | is that it? | |
| 21:09 | wizzyrea | oh this is a record with mixed items? |
| 21:10 | * wizzyrea | needs some context, got an opac link? |
| 21:10 | wizzyrea | yea, did we ask the first question? |
| 21:10 | the first question? | |
| 21:10 | wahanui | i heard the first question was "What are you trying to do?" |
| 21:10 | rangi | heh |
| 21:14 | druthb | wahanui: wizzyrea? |
| 21:14 | wahanui | I LIKE SCIENCE! |
| 21:14 | druthb | wahanui: druthb? |
| 21:14 | wahanui | She finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
| 21:14 | * druthb | nods. |
| 21:14 | wizzyrea | pfft |
| 21:14 | I do like science though. | |
| 21:14 | rangi | mtj? |
| 21:14 | wahanui | DeM KraZy NutZ!! |
| 21:14 | Space_Librarian | rangi yes: re: next available |
| 21:15 | rangi | still the best |
| 21:15 | wahanui | somebody said the best was to change from koha-to-marc-mapping so it changes back al frameworks |
| 21:15 | Space_Librarian | wizzyrea: yes, mixed items |
| 21:15 | wizzyrea | that *still* sounds familiar |
| 21:15 | to me | |
| 21:15 | Space_Librarian | Stand back! i'm going to attempt Science! |
| 21:15 | (off tangent) | |
| 21:15 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 21:15 | rangi | so the problem isnt that you can put holds on them, its that the holdsqueue is telling you there is a hold when there isnt? |
| 21:16 | Space_Librarian | yes |
| 21:16 | The holds are on the physical copies | |
| 21:16 | wizzyrea | i would have to see your rule setup |
| 21:16 | Space_Librarian | but, it's telling us to pull the ebooks to fill them |
| 21:16 | wizzyrea | the answer is in there |
| 21:16 | Space_Librarian | i know it is. but damn it's elusive. |
| 21:17 | wizzyrea | another thing that can trip you up |
| 21:18 | is the patron category of the holder | |
| 21:18 | sometimes | |
| 21:18 | (this is convoluted, bear with me) | |
| 21:18 | if you have a rule for a library and you don't have a rule for default for a patron category | |
| 21:19 | people in that category can place holds | |
| 21:19 | Space_Librarian | I have 10 categories... this could be interesting. |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | but that's one that I'd just have to see the rules and fluff it out |
| 21:21 | * Space_Librarian | plots |
| 21:35 | rolls a d20 | |
| 21:37 | * druthb | wonders.... |
| 21:37 | wahanui | wonders is it is too early on Sunday for Koha db questions? lol |
| 21:37 | druthb | wahanui: Space_Librarian? |
| 21:37 | wahanui | rumour has it Space_Librarian is a Koha poet or the sweetest lil lady you'll ever know |
| 21:38 | Space_Librarian | aw shucks. Is wahanui still spreading those lies? :p |
| 21:38 | druthb | truths. |
| 21:38 | waha tells the truth! :) | |
| 21:39 | wahanui: druthb? | |
| 21:39 | wahanui | She finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
| 21:39 | druthb | see? |
| 21:39 | Space_Librarian | good point. :) |
| 21:47 | sekjal | @dice 1d20 |
| 21:47 | huginn | sekjal: 16 |
| 21:48 | bag | you've got 16 lives left |
| 21:49 | sekjal | and I've still got to get through the Fire Swamp! |
| 21:50 | druthb | I wonder... |
| 21:50 | @dice 1d13 | |
| 21:50 | huginn | druthb: 4 |
| 21:50 | druthb | it works, even if you give it something kind of irrational. Cool. |
| 21:51 | sekjal | Koha: the RPG! |
| 21:52 | (probably a little more sustainable than Koha: the CCG) | |
| 21:52 | bag | @dice 1d3.1415926535897 |
| 21:52 | huginn | bag: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides> |
| 21:52 | Space_Librarian | @dice 1d20 |
| 21:52 | huginn | Space_Librarian: 5 |
| 21:52 | Space_Librarian | d'oh |
| 21:52 | bag | @dice 1dpie |
| 21:52 | huginn | bag: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides> |
| 21:53 | rangi | you mean like this |
| 21:53 | http://www.chorewars.com/badges/tipaul.png | |
| 21:53 | * Space_Librarian | runs from the fireys |
| 21:55 | sekjal | time to catch my bus |
| 21:55 | later! | |
| 21:55 | rangi | cya sekjal |
| 21:55 | Space_Librarian | ciao sekjal |
| 22:06 | wizzyrea+++ | |
| 22:07 | cait | wizzyrea++ |
| 22:07 | sure she deserves it | |
| 22:11 | magnus_afk | g'night #koha |
| 22:13 | Space_Librarian | she fixed my problem. :) |
| 22:14 | rangi | yay! |
| 22:14 | wizzyrea++ | |
| 22:15 | cait | documentation! heh |
| 22:16 | Space_Librarian | now I've got to redo 39 more ebook records, but hey, at least it's only 39... :D |
| 22:17 | wizzyrea | http://www.halolz.com/wp-conte[…]yro-imhelping.jpg |
| 22:18 | cait, that problem is documented on bug 7588 | |
| 22:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7588 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , adding reserve restrictions after cataloging items can cause non-holdable items to be picked for holds |
| 22:19 | Space_Librarian | wizzyrea: yus! |
| 22:31 | cait | wizzyrea++ :) |
| 22:41 | libsysguy left #koha | |
| 22:49 | Brooke joined #koha | |
| 22:49 | Brooke | ki aora |
| 22:53 | @later tell Oak Separation City, Welcome both 2009 | |
| 22:53 | huginn | Brooke: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:55 | Space_Librarian | Brooke :D |
| 22:55 | you'l like this | |
| 22:55 | @dice 1d20 | |
| 22:55 | huginn | Space_Librarian: 15 |
| 22:55 | * Brooke | is listening. |
| 22:55 | Space_Librarian | yus! |
| 22:55 | Brooke | @dice 1d6 |
| 22:55 | huginn | Brooke: 3 |
| 22:55 | * Space_Librarian | turns around and chases fireys back. |
| 22:56 | Brooke | @dice 2d6 |
| 22:56 | huginn | Brooke: 3 and 3 |
| 22:56 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 22:56 | Space_Librarian | @dice 1d7 |
| 22:56 | huginn | Space_Librarian: 5 |
| 22:56 | * Space_Librarian | kills a firey with magic missile |
| 22:56 | Brooke | "I'm shocked. Shocked to find that gambling is going on in here." |
| 22:56 | * Space_Librarian | finds this hilarious |
| 22:57 | Brooke | @dice 7d10 |
| 22:57 | huginn | Brooke: Error: You can't roll more than 6 dice. |
| 22:57 | Brooke | but, but mah fortitude pool!!! |
| 22:57 | so who's responsible for the timesink plugin? | |
| 22:57 | * Brooke | wonders about SmeckBot |
| 22:58 | Space_Librarian | no idea, but it's cool. |
| 22:58 | Brooke | @smeck space_librarian |
| 22:58 | huginn | Brooke: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 22:58 | Space_Librarian | oooh. you mean when hell freezes over? |
| 22:58 | love it. | |
| 23:00 | @smeck Brooke | |
| 23:00 | huginn | Space_Librarian: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 23:00 | Space_Librarian | ah huginn I'm so disappointed in you. |
| 23:00 | Brooke | he's just a boy bot. Clearly inferior in every fashion to Zoia. |
| 23:01 | Space_Librarian | *nods* |
| 23:07 | @wunder wellington,nz | |
| 23:07 | huginn | Space_Librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on February 24, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising). |
| 23:08 | cait | nice new shiny feature waiting for sign-off |
| 23:08 | :P | |
| 23:08 | and it includes unit tests! | |
| 23:08 | bug 7576 | |
| 23:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Add ISSN to SearchForTitleIn |
| 23:09 | Space_Librarian | yay cait! |
| 23:09 | cait | rangi++ |
| 23:09 | for helping with the tests and because he is so awesome heh | |
| 23:11 | Brooke | rangi++ |
| 23:13 | cait | good night all :) |
| 23:13 | cait left #koha | |
| 23:31 | rangi | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ |
| 23:33 | bag | hmmm rangi can you move brendan to bag? or bag to brendan? |
| 23:34 | I used to be pretty chatty in channel back in the day - but I'm not so much anymore | |
| 23:34 | @wunder 93109 | |
| 23:34 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 23.3°C (3:33 PM PST on February 23, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007.3 hPa (Steady). |
| 23:34 | rangi | what do you prefer? |
| 23:34 | bag | up to you - I miss brendan |
| 23:34 | rangi | ill make it brendan then |
| 23:34 | bag | @wunder wellington, nz |
| 23:34 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (12:00 PM NZDT on February 24, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Falling). |
| 23:38 | rangi | done |
| 23:38 | i like my new quote | |
| 23:39 | bag | rangi? |
| 23:39 | wahanui | I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! |
| 23:39 | bag | that quote rules!!! |
| 23:39 | Cause I know the almonds and the story | |
| 23:39 | rangi | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ <-- on here |
| 23:39 | bag | I know I'm being :P |
| 23:40 | rangi | :) |
| 23:40 | bag | oh mines not too bad |
| 23:42 | I like the one that says - Kados talks to himself a lot | |
| 23:44 | rangi | heh |
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