IRC log for #koha, 2012-01-10

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00:14 blahdeblah jcamins: I've created http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]rate_MySQL_server - it's rough, but it should do for starters.
00:15 jcamins blahdeblah: awesome!
00:15 blahdeblah++
00:18 blahdeblah Hmmm... Now where to next? The install document seems to trail off into irrelevancies like lenny support.
00:19 Nothing in the README.Debian, either
00:21 Next step in the install doc is "Browse to http://servername:8080/ and answer the questions", but there's no port 8080 if you follow the Debian install instructions.
00:24 http://servername/ on my new koha virtual host gives "Sorry!  The Koha site you are trying to access is currently unavailable, probably because of maintenance. This is not at all your fault, and we apologize for any inconvenience the downtime may cause you. Please check back in a while.  We hope to get things back up soon."
00:29 jcamins blahdeblah: intra-servername
00:29 blahdeblah doesn't do anything either
00:29 jcamins Or whatever you chose for the INTRASUFFIX/INTRAPREFIX.
00:29 blahdeblah Yeah, in my case it's servername-intra
00:29 jcamins blahdeblah: not sure, and I'm just shutting down for dinner.
00:29 blahdeblah But it gives exactly the same thing
00:30 jcamins blahdeblah: check your apache config. I suspect DNS issue.
00:30 jcamins_away Good luck!
00:30 If you're back tomorrow during the day (EST), I could actually be useful. :)
00:33 blahdeblah jcamins_away: It *is* during the day EST. Don't be hemispherist.  :-P
00:34 It's not DNS - i've double-checked that my entries are pointing to the right place.  Anyone else got any suggestions?
00:34 /var/log/koha/test/intranet-access_log shows
00:34 ... shows requests for / coming in.
00:35 But no error messages about why Koha is unavailable.
00:37 It's as if the installer doesn't know that it needs to run.
00:51 The problem was that apache-shared-disable.conf was enabled in the koha virtual host.  I'm not sure whether that was my fault or the installer's, but it's fixed now.  Once i worked out that i needed the database username & password for the web login, i was able to proceed with the installer.
00:52 Now for the next question: how does one decide whether Unimarc or Marc21 is needed.  This is just a test install, and i'm not enough of a library nerd to know the difference.  What are the pros & cons?
01:03 OK, found this thread on the mailing list. http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]21-td3071490.html  That pretty much answers my question.
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02:17 libsysguy wizzyrea levels up
02:17 Mod Mode
02:19 wizzyrea ding!
02:19 happy birthday, btw.
02:19 libsysguy thanks wizzy
02:20 apparently its bag birthday today too
02:21 wizzyrea and paul_p
02:21 libsysguy really??
02:21 wizzyrea yep :)
02:21 libsysguy wow…how bout that
02:21 wizzyrea good day for babies I guess :D
02:22 libsysguy well 9 months ago anyway :p
02:23 wizzyrea no, sweetie, that was a good time for something *else*
02:24 we call that "spring fever"
02:24 libsysguy haha
02:24 wizzyrea ifyouknowwhati'msayingandithinkthatyoudo
02:24 libsysguy spring all year for libsysguy hahaha
02:24 wizzyrea keke
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03:54 AmitG heyabag
03:55 heya bag
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04:05 Oak kia ora #koha
04:05 #wunder islamabad
04:05 @wunder islamabad
04:05 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 3.0°C (9:00 AM PKT on January 10, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
04:21 blahdeblah @wunder caloundra
04:21 huginn blahdeblah: The current temperature in Pelican Waters, Queensland is 32.1°C (2:21 PM EST on January 10, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Steady).
04:21 blahdeblah lol
04:21 BobB @seen rangi
04:21 huginn BobB: rangi was last seen in #koha 1 day, 19 hours, 46 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <rangi> hi cait
04:23 BobB @seen eythian
04:23 huginn BobB: eythian was last seen in #koha 5 days, 23 hours, 39 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <eythian> hi cait
04:24 BobB hi blahdeblah
04:25 blahdeblah hi BobB
04:25 BobB I'm in Sydney.  Are you in Caloundra?
04:25 blahdeblah yep
04:25 Just wondering how hot it is
04:25 BobB I spent every summer of my youth there.  Loved it.  :)
04:25 blahdeblah Because it's pretty disgusting in my office right now... ;-)
04:26 I can see myself knocking off at 16:45 and heading to the beach this arvo...
04:26 BobB Beach ++
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04:50 * mtj waves to BobB  and blahdeblah from across the ditch :)
04:50 Oak oye cait. how are ya!
04:50 BobB hi mtj
04:50 cait hi all :)
04:50 BobB Happy New Year!
04:50 cait hi Oak :)
04:50 BobB Hi cait
04:50 Oak :o)
04:50 * Oak goes out buy bread.
04:50 BobB Hi Oak
04:51 cait happy new yar BobB :)
04:51 Oak BobB :)
04:51 BobB :)
04:51 Oak yar = friend / buddy in Urdu
04:51 okay bbiab
06:22 bag yo AmitG
06:23 cait hi bag
06:25 bag hey cait
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07:15 magnuse Oak
07:15 kia ora #koha!
07:15 Oak magnuse :)
07:17 magnuse :-)
07:17 @wunder boo
07:17 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0°C (7:50 AM CET on January 10, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
07:17 cait morning magnuse :)
07:19 magnuse guten morgen cait
07:19 no snow showers yet, but it sure felt like -12...
07:20 cait ew
07:20 cold
07:20 @wunder Konstanz
07:20 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 4.0°C (8:00 AM CET on January 10, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.57 in 1035 hPa (Rising).
07:20 cait seems pretty much all we get to see is rain this year
07:43 bbiab
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07:44 reiveune hello
07:44 magnuse bonjour
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08:15 kf hi #koha
08:15 magnuse hi kf
08:16 Oak hello kf.
08:17 kf hello Oak. :)
08:17 and hi magnuse :)
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08:18 kf hi sophie_m
08:19 sophie_m Morgen kg
08:19 hello #koha
08:19 asaurat hi
08:20 Oak let's all have tea
08:21 kf hi asaurat
08:27 Oak joke time:
08:32 A high school student wrote: "I would like to be a psychologist. I plan on taking as much psychology as possible in college and may someday emerge another Fraud." ~ M. A. C. Knuyt
08:33 asaurat :D
08:33 kf heh
08:33 Oak :)
10:42 jcamins_away o/
11:10 magnuse \o
11:10 early-bird-jcamins?
11:11 jcamins magnuse: I fell asleep before 9, so I've been up for an hour or so.
11:12 Myshkin is having the best day *ever*. Half an hour of petting, fifteen minutes of playing, and now he gets an entire half of the bed to himself for another two hours.
11:13 magnuse yay!
11:19 jcamins Okay, he's had enough of being happy. He's now sitting on the back of my chair right behind my head trying to persuade me that he's in danger of starving.
11:20 magnuse hehe
11:20 go myshkin go
11:24 * kf pats myshkin good cat
11:26 jcamins Exciting! I don't remember the last time I was around #koha when Europe was eating lunch.
11:27 kf_lunch lol
11:27 it's nto that great really
11:27 magnuse it gets even more quiet... ;-)
11:27 "After saving your file, simply print to the blank labels you have in your library." does that make sense?
11:27 jcamins kf_lunch: I guess it depends what you're having for lunch, and whether you're sharing it with me.
11:28 magnuse: I'm not sure... my immediate response is to wonder what kind of blank labels I should be using, and, if I don't have any, which kind to buy.
11:29 magnuse yeah, i was thinking more that of course it would have to be some labels in my library - i wouldn't print to the labels next door...
11:29 probably just me being difficult...
11:30 jcamins No, I thought that first too, but decided that other people wouldn't have that knee-jerk reaction.
11:30 Guess I was wrong...
11:31 magnuse or we are similarly twisted... ;-)
11:31 jcamins Or that, yes.
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11:33 magnuse Oak
11:33 Oak magnuse
11:33 what's new?
11:35 magnuse not much
11:36 Oak same
11:37 jcamins Oak: we were approved by the co-op board so now we're just waiting on a lien search and to schedule closing.
11:37 But you may have heard that already, in which case that isn't new, either.
11:38 Oak ah cool. :) no I did not know that.
11:39 jcamins magnuse: lots of good suggestions for improving the packages yesterday. :)
11:40 magnuse a bout of inspiration
11:40 guess the -e thing was superfluos
11:41 jcamins Why's that?
11:41 Oh, because you can pipe things in?
11:41 magnuse yes
11:41 echo "sql" | koha-mysql instancename
11:41 Oak @later tell cait http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vii5ydVSNec
11:41 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded.
11:42 Oak @later tell Brooke http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vii5ydVSNec
11:42 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded.
11:42 jcamins Still, your ideas were probably more practical than my bug 7430.
11:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7430 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , ModZebra should not be in C4::Biblio
11:42 magnuse s/superfluos/superfluous/
11:42 well, you become an instant hero for digging into that!
11:43 jcamins Aw, thanks.
11:43 My goal was to start dialogue.
11:43 magnuse hehe
11:44 starting_dialogue++
11:44 jcamins Though, actually, I would argue that some of that code is actually rather good.
11:44 You can remove one of those "actually"s.
11:45 Oak removed.
11:45 * magnuse too
11:45 magnuse i'll take your word for it jcamins ;-)
11:47 jcamins What... are you concerned that looking at Koha::Search might be dangerous? ;)
11:48 magnuse more worried about C4::Search...
11:49 jcamins fredericd++ # Module::Load is really cool, thanks!
11:50 magnuse: ah, yes, C4::Search is pretty dangerous.
11:50 But I was starting with less-dangerous bits.
11:51 magnuse good plan ;-)
11:51 jcamins Thanks, I thought so, too.
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11:54 tcohen jcamins++
11:55 jcamins :)
11:55 kf_lunch jcamins++
11:57 jcamins Cool!
11:57 * jcamins just learned about Module::Pluggable.
11:57 * Oak hands kf_lunch cloth to clean the keyboard
11:57 Oak jcamins++
11:57 magnuse does it have anything to do with plugins?
11:57 jcamins++
11:57 jcamins magnuse: good guess. ;)
11:57 kf_lunch Oak: did you hide a camera in here?
11:58 Oak hehe
12:06 magnus_afk lunchtime!
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12:14 jcamins francharb: fredericd helped implement a UNIMARC handler for bug 7284. :)
12:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Authority matching algorithm improvements
12:15 francharb jcamins, cool!
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13:33 oleonard Hi nengard
13:33 nengard hi oleonard from 30000 feet in the air :)
13:33 oleonard Magic.
13:35 jcamins Hi nengard and oleonard.
13:35 nengard it does seem that way - magic :)
13:46 * magnuse waves to nengard
13:46 nengard hiya
13:48 oleonard Over Ohio nengard? Look down and you'll see me.
13:48 nengard there you are!
13:48 :)
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14:23 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7433] french translation add a bad single quote into js function <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7433>
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14:53 Mkman Good Afternoon
14:55 jwagner Hi Mkman
14:57 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7422] Prevent creation of vendors with the same name <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7422> / [Bug 5877] Offline circulation improvements : upload all files, apply at once <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5877>
15:01 * Guest23518 imagines speck owen waving at an unseen airliner
15:01 Mkman Hello jwagner How are you?
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15:04 jwagner Doing pretty well, except for the remnants of a migraine :-(
15:19 Mkman yeh that sucks
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15:46 jcamins Hello again, #koha.
15:47 Mkman Hello jcamins
15:48 maximep good morning
15:48 jcamins Mkman: how's the Gentoo installation going?
15:50 Mkman jcamins: i will install zebra in a few moments
15:50 i am watching johny english
15:50 :D
15:50 jcamins Mkman: a good choice for battling Zebra.
15:51 maximep hmmm I might try to install zebra on my gentoo within a few weeks, so curious about how hard it is
15:51 *koha
15:53 Mkman maximep: well i will install it today. later if you are still here i tell you :)
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15:55 jcamins Mkman: why did you decide you wanted to work on Koha, out of curiosity?
15:55 You said you weren't a librarian, didn't you?
15:56 (everyone's welcome, but it's doubly exciting to me when non-librarians are interested in Koha:)
15:57 Mkman jcamins: i think that it will motivate librarys to change their software to Gnu/Linux and OpenSource. i think small business and city deps will motivate other medium to large companys to change their software to OpenSource and Gnu/Linux
15:58 jcamins Mkman: ah, good reason. :)
15:58 Mkman++
15:59 Mkman :)
16:00 jcamins: are you a librarian?
16:00 jcamins Mkman: I am indeed.
16:01 At least, my background is in librarianship.
16:01 Mkman that nice :)
16:01 jcamins I have my own company providing bibliography services (cataloging, organization, etc.) to non-traditional collections.
16:03 oleonard Mkman: Is Gnu/Linux your business?
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16:05 Mkman oleonard: no, i am not. i am just an Gnu/Linux enthusiastic that would love to do something to change the current situation of the market
16:10 reiveune bye
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16:11 rhcl I always wondered what bibliographic services did exactly.
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16:16 jcamins wizzyrea: surely you have a VPS somewhere to put bip on?
16:17 Or irssi. :P
16:24 wizzyrea i don't actually.
16:25 jcamins wizzyrea: really? Hm. Home computer you leave turned on?
16:28 wizzyrea nope
16:28 all laptops.
16:29 jcamins Hm.
16:33 oleonard If Buck Rogers used IRC he'd put bip on Twiki and tell Twiki to never sleep.
16:42 wizzyrea @quote add oleonard:  If Buck Rogers used IRC he'd put bip on Twiki and tell Twiki to never sleep.
16:42 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
16:43 wizzyrea @quote add oleonard:  If Buck Rogers used IRC he'd put bip on Twiki and tell Twiki to never sleep.
16:43 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #177 added.
16:44 Mkman i think in the end i will end up making a script to install it correctly
16:44 kf_mtg Mkman: have you seen the packages?
16:44 debian.koha-community.org
16:45 wizzyrea is there some specific limitation that makes it so that on search results, the available branches are only the ones for items displayed on that page
16:45 kf_mtg you can use them to get the dependencies
16:45 wizzyrea he's on gentoo
16:45 kf_mtg ah
16:45 ok
16:45 wizzyrea: I think all facets work on current page only
16:45 wizzyrea: but I think in 3.6 there are options to make that better - but the price is perf
16:46 Mkman is this incov needed http://search.cpan.org/~mpiotr[…]conv-1.7/Iconv.pm ?
16:46 it incov has a dependencie in the zebra but i dont know which package it is talking about
16:47 kf_mtg wizzyrea: search your system preferneces for facets, Ithink it's maxRecordsForFacets
16:47 wizzyrea right, if I"m thining correctly about it you'd have to look at all of the results to get a complete picture of the facets
16:47 OH
16:47 kf
16:47 I love you.
16:47 I do
16:47 kf++
16:47 kf_mtg thx :) I needed that
16:47 wizzyrea: and it means we have never done it right...
16:47 the facets I mean
16:47 but nobody seems to notice
16:47 jcamins wizzyrea: it's likely that the performance issues that faceting causes are a result of us not correctly destroying results.
16:48 wizzyrea kf++
16:48 kf_mtg again?
16:48 jcamins for taming the zebra :)
16:48 wizzyrea no, my librarians notice
16:48 kf_mtg jcamins++ I mean...
16:48 wizzyrea heh
16:48 that makes a BIG difference thanks kf
16:48 kf_mtg I think there is a different way to do facets
16:48 jcamins wizzyrea: I would encourage you not to try to track that down particular problem.
16:49 * wizzyrea won't
16:49 kf_mtg where you store the information in the index ... but never really understood it
16:49 only that we don't do it like that
16:49 wizzyrea the syspref helped a lot
16:49 kf_mtg there is also displayFacetcount
16:49 hmm have to try myself :)
16:49 ok, have to go - cya later .)
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16:50 Mkman can you guys tell me if Zebra requires this package? http://search.cpan.org/~mpiotr[…]conv-1.7/Iconv.pm
16:51 jcamins It requires Text::Iconv.
16:51 I presume that's it.
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16:54 Mkman there install docs only reference incov. that is a bit ambiguos :)
16:54 jcamins Mkman: no one's installed on Gentoo before.
16:54 Most people just use the provided installers.
16:55 You can get a list of what you're missing by running kohaclone/koha_perl_deps.pl -m
16:56 Mkman zebra is also koha project?
16:56 wahanui okay, Mkman.
16:57 jcamins Mkman: no.
16:57 wahanui: zebra?
16:57 wahanui it has been said that zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or koha project?
16:57 wizzyrea forget zebra
16:57 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot zebra
16:57 magnuse Mkman: https://www.indexdata.com/zebra
16:57 wizzyrea zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra.
16:57 jcamins Mkman: oh, no, everyone just avoids installing Zebra manually because the instructions are incomprehensible.
16:58 Mkman ehehe
16:58 jcamins Sorry, I thought you were going through the Koha dependency list.
16:58 Mkman: you might check what Debian packages the Zebra package for Debian requires.
16:58 wizzyrea we might or might not have better documentation if we did it ourselves, heh
16:59 jcamins Heh. True.
16:59 wizzyrea i lean towards "it would probably be better"
16:59 * jcamins leans towards "it couldn't be worse."
17:00 oleonard "freeware?"
17:00 jcamins oleonard: we don't write the marketspeak, we just repeat it for wahanui's benefit.
17:00 ;)
17:02 wizzyrea hmm, someone just asked me about "autocomplete in the OPAC" like google instant search
17:02 huuuuge project or decent sized?
17:02 or "not so bad"
17:02 jcamins wizzyrea: how big is "huge"?
17:03 And, autocomplete based on authorities, biblios, or...
17:03 oleonard What would it search and what would it return?
17:03 wizzyrea bibs - for the opac
17:03 oleonard Keyword search? Returning titles?
17:04 wizzyrea keyword
17:04 "like google"
17:04 oleonard "OPAC Instant?"
17:04 wizzyrea ^^ yes
17:04 oleonard :P
17:04 jcamins wizzyrea: I mean, do you want it to suggest terms based on bibliographic records, or based on authority records?
17:05 oleonard Google can make that fast because of their huge infrastructure
17:05 wizzyrea bibliographic records, for my use case
17:06 Mkman at least it compile without errors
17:06 wizzyrea i know they can :/
17:07 i mean,we have something like that for patrons (granted it's a little broken at the moment)
17:07 jcamins The former is much more complicated.
17:07 Huuuuuuuge.
17:07 Mkman jcamins: there is no script by that name. koha_perl_deps.pl -m
17:07 jcamins wizzyrea: the autocomplete part isn't so hard.
17:07 Mkman: there is in Koha.
17:08 wizzyrea: it's having something to autocomplete from that's tricky.
17:08 wizzyrea you mean it would be easier from authorities?
17:08 jcamins Right.
17:09 wizzyrea i wonder if solr would be easier
17:09 for that
17:09 i have no idea
17:09 Mkman jcamins: there is no such file in my git copy of the project
17:09 jcamins wizzyrea: somewhat.
17:09 Mkman: where did you clone from?
17:09 koha_perl_deps.pl is right in the root of my git clone.
17:10 Mkman oow i found it
17:10 i am sorry
17:10 wizzyrea phew!
17:10 jcamins Mkman: just to confirm, you did clone from git.koha-community.org, right?
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17:11 Mkman yes
17:11 jcamins Mkman: good. :)
17:14 magnuse kia ora paul_p
17:17 Mkman do i need to have mod_perl install to run koha?
17:17 magnuse Mkman: nope
17:17 jcamins Mkman: in fact, Koha doesn't run under mod_perl.
17:17 magnuse in fact, you will have trouble with it - Koha is currently not "mod_perl safe"
17:18 Mkman so why do we need apache to run it?
17:18 wizzyrea kf++ seriously, that syspref just solved a 4 year old problem
17:19 you don't
17:19 jcamins Mkman: Koha doesn't include a web server.
17:19 magnuse hooray for kf!
17:19 jcamins Mkman: you could use a different one if you'd prefer.
17:19 wizzyrea it suggests apache - but you can use any old web server. (well IIS might be a challenge...)
17:19 jcamins But Koha doesn't come with the config files.
17:19 wizzyrea ^^
17:19 jcamins Don't use IIS.
17:20 IIS kills kittens.
17:20 wizzyrea @quote add jcamins: IIS kills kittens
17:20 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #178 added.
17:22 paul_p hello #koha !
17:22 wizzyrea hi paul_p
17:22 jcamins Hello paul_p.
17:23 rhcl Quote: "LITA is pleased to announce that Information Technology and Libraries (ITAL) will become an open-access, electronic-only publication, beginning with the March 2012 issue..."
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17:24 Mkman what seems to be the problem? http://pastebin.com/ViGGYLSF
17:24 rhcl We don't do serials here (I donno why), but we are going to have to start putting some electronic subscriptions in Koha, and I'll have to coerce my staff into doing it.
17:25 Is there any reason why the marc record shouldn't simply have a link to the webpage, like: http://www.ala.org/lita/ital/
17:25 Is there a better/more logical way
17:25 jcamins rhcl: that's too logical? :P
17:25 wizzyrea that's how NEKLS does it
17:26 jcamins rhcl: in all seriousness, 856$u is *designed* for that.
17:26 Mkman: you don't have ZOOM installed.
17:26 Or at least not the Perl module.
17:26 wizzyrea net::z39.50::ZOOM or something
17:26 rhcl OK. I didn't know if it would be better to link to the base page, or try to link each monthly publication to the actual pdf.
17:26 wizzyrea hmmm
17:27 monthly digital serials
17:27 jcamins Mkman: There's actually ZOOM as well as Net::Z3950::ZOOM. You need both.
17:27 rhcl: I'd link to the base page. Otherwise you have to edit every month.
17:27 * magnuse thinks linking to each issue would be unnecessary work...
17:28 wizzyrea make an intermediate page and link to that
17:28 and add your issues there?
17:28 rhcl Yea, but (remember, I"m not a librarian) isn't that the way e- serials are typically done now?
17:28 wizzyrea oh reading fail
17:28 rhcl on a montly (or whatever periodicity) basis?
17:29 jcamins rhcl: not to my knowledge. It's a link resolver's responsibility to deal with that.
17:29 rhcl hummm
17:30 magnuse anyone tried koha-run-backups?
17:30 rhcl so if we create a marc record, and assuming there isn't an official marc record to download, if we create one, would it not be a time-saver to share it with everybody else?
17:30 jcamins magnuse: yeah, but I stopped using it because I wrote my own script that does more.
17:30 Why?
17:31 magnuse for me it doesn't do anything
17:31 jcamins rhcl: it would indeed.
17:31 rhcl And if true, should there not be a central repo for home-brew marc records?
17:31 jcamins rhcl: that was the idea behind biblios.net.
17:31 magnuse jcamins: at least not with the --output option
17:31 jcamins magnuse: I don't recall right now what exactly it did.
17:31 I stopped using it quite a while ago because one thing it did not do was take care of my off-site backups.
17:33 magnuse http://git.koha-community.org/[…]695ffe0f9;hb=HEAD doesn't "koha-dump "$name" > /dev/null" on line 60 mean the dumps are lost in nothingness?
17:33 jcamins No, koha-dump creates files in /var/spool/koha/instancename/
17:36 magnuse ah hah, so does the --output option to koha-run-backups do anything at all?
17:39 rhcl Ok, so we just done did add "Information and Technology in Libraries" to our catalog. Everything looks good and the link connects as it should. However, the OPAC shows "Availability: No copies available " unless you create an item record w/o a barcode.
17:39 is that OK?
17:39 jcamins rhcl: that sounds right.
17:39 magnuse: I don't know.
17:40 Mkman is me who needs to install all the cpan modules?
17:40 magnuse jcamins: cool, thanks
17:40 rhcl Allrighty then. Good enough work for me to leave for the day.
17:41 wizzyrea rhcl: that's fine
17:42 rhcl When I grow up I want to be a cataloger.
17:42 wizzyrea is how NEKLS does it
17:42 or a dummy barcode like "eResource<bib#>"
17:42 rhcl Not really.
17:42 Those people are too cloistered.
17:43 wizzyrea hehe
17:43 jcamins rhcl: hey now!
17:43 Mkman how do i install C4::Budges?
17:43 jcamins I'm completely uncloistered.
17:43 * wizzyrea thinks jcamins is perfectly well adjusted
17:43 jcamins The Cloisters are *all the way* across the city.
17:43 Mkman: that's part of Koha.
17:43 wizzyrea (for a cataloger)
17:43 jcamins Oh, gee, thanks!
17:43 wizzyrea Mkman: you probably need to export your environment variables
17:44 Mkman yeh because when i run make test it fails on C4::Budges
17:44 wizzyrea budges?
17:44 sounds like a typo
17:44 * wizzyrea checks
17:44 rhcl wizzyrea: so if it was done like your last comment, wouldn't you have to create unique bib#s? And if you had a zillion of these, how would you track them?
17:44 magnuse C4::Budgerigars?
17:45 jcamins rhcl: you have unique bib numbers. Every record has its own bibnumber.
17:45 * jcamins would probably go with eresource${ISSN}, FWIW.
17:45 wizzyrea rhcl: see what jcamins said
17:46 Mkman yeh my typo C4::Budgets
17:47 Bailout called.  Further testing stopped:  ***** PROBLEMS LOADING FILE 'C4::Budgets'
17:47 wizzyrea do you see Budgets.pm in kohaclone/C4
17:47 jcamins Mkman: yeah, probably missing export PERL5LIB=/home/mkman/kohaclone
17:48 wizzyrea ^^ because if it's there, you need to do that
17:48 (do note that path is variable -- insert the path to your clone)
17:50 also
17:50 export KOHA_CONF=/path/to/your/koha-conf.xml
17:50 jcamins Mkman: but note that you have to finish the install process before you have a koha-conf.xml file.
17:50 Mkman the variable is located in which file?
17:51 it fails on make tests
17:51 wizzyrea it's not, you have to run it
17:52 jcamins Mkman: wizzyrea means that you should set the path to match your installation.
17:52 Mkman oh ok
17:52 jcamins If your kohaclone is not at /home/mkman/kohaclone, change the command to match where it is.
17:52 wizzyrea yes thats what I meant
17:55 Mkman jcamins: the cpan modules it's me who has to install all of them?
17:59 wizzyrea Mkman: http://libraryhacker.org/2011/[…]-favorite-distro/
17:59 just sayin. :)
18:00 jcamins Mkman: yes, I'd think so.
18:00 Mkman: pretty much everyone here is on apt-based distros.
18:02 Mkman yeh. when i am finished i will have to make some kind of script to automate this task
18:04 wizzyrea huh. The private item note doesn't seem to be displayed anywhere
18:05 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah, that's correct.
18:05 * wizzyrea will discuss this later - must jet for a bit
18:10 jcamins @later tell wizzyrea see bugs 4222 and 7142.
18:10 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
18:17 Mkman http://pastebin.com/aeqUjQbP I am getting this error while make test and i have the path correctly configured
18:19 jcamins Mkman: sounds like you don't have List::MoreUtils installed?
18:24 Mkman it's so awesome solving this by hand
18:24 ehehe
18:31 jcamins Mkman: that's why we all use apt-based distros.
18:31 Mkman gentoo is supply that too in the future :D
18:43 * paul_p leaving for dinner. See you in an hour or something like that
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19:21 cait bye all
19:22 Guest23587 bye cait
19:22 cait oh
19:22 :)
19:22 bye wizzyrea
19:29 jcamins Bye cait.
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19:52 * druthb sneaks in.
19:53 druthb Don't mean to make anyone *too* jealous, but Two Words:  Beach View.
19:53 Mkman that's nice
19:53 from here i can only see trees
19:54 druthb That'd be nice, too.
19:54 Mkman yeh but its dark now
19:54 maximep for me it's more like : snow view
19:54 :/
19:54 druthb I've got the Pacific Ocean right across the street, one of my fantastic teammates (and a really good friend) sitting here at the table, and more on the way.  FTW.
19:55 schuster rainy cold view yuck... through the cinderblock wall.
19:56 Mkman dinner brb
19:57 druthb (oh, and food on the way, too.  FTW^2.
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20:03 maximep well u succeeded at making me jealous
20:10 Mkman maximep: was you that is going to install zebra on gentoo right?
20:13 maximep yes
20:13 well, maybe
20:13 or i might just put a virtual debian
20:13 Mkman maximep: yeh it is pretty easy. ./configure;make;make install
20:13 and emerge yazz
20:14 that's it.
20:14 emerge yazz before compile
20:15 maximep good to know
20:15 and koha ? are there perl dependencies in portage ?
20:16 or u installed them via cpan
20:17 Mkman i am installing the cpan modules with cpan
20:17 what sucks is that you need to input the name of the module by hand that is that is not automate script to download and install the requirements modules
20:18 What seems to be the problem here? http://pastebin.com/FiHU2gJ5
20:19 maximep tests fail. You need to force install
20:19 wizzyrea oh I've seen that -- sec
20:19 maximep forgot the switch to do it
20:19 -f i think
20:20 wizzyrea maybe you need extutils::command?
20:20 maximep bah why try to make the tests works when u can ignore them :p
20:22 wizzyrea tests sometimes uh, fail for a reason?
20:22 maximep :p
20:22 but seriously, afaik, a lot of cpan stuff has tests that fail
20:22 wizzyrea i've solved every one :P
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20:23 Mkman eheh
20:23 wizzyrea well, that might be too inclusive - I've managed to solve every one I've come across so far
20:24 gmcharlt wizzyrea has fixed all of CPAN?!?!?
20:24 wizzyrea++
20:24 wizzyrea ha, very funny
20:24 gmcharlt ;)
20:24 * wizzyrea wishes
20:24 wizzyrea alas
20:24 seneca Has anyone had much experience with authenticating to LDAP?
20:25 maximep my coworker who isn't here has
20:25 gmcharlt seneca: what's your question?
20:25 seneca I've had my set up working with my Novell eDir/LDAP server for a while, but I have found 3 users that can't log in...but I can't figure out why.
20:25 Oh yeah, who is that?
20:26 Mkman cpan -f GD
20:26 does not work lool
20:26 maximep -f -i
20:27 jcamins Mkman: don't forget cpan -i ExtUtils::MakeMaker. That might be why you're encountering errors.
20:27 Mkman let me try
20:27 * jcamins goes back to admiring vintage 1928 Soviet sewing patterns for robes.
20:27 wizzyrea ^^ that's the one I was forgetting
20:27 jcamins is lovably eccentric
20:28 Mkman it is already installed
20:28 http://pastebin.com/8pg8E6j8
20:28 output from cpan -f -i GD
20:28 seneca @maximep Who is your coworker?
20:28 huginn seneca: I've exhausted my database of quotes
20:29 rhcl I think pre-1917 Russian history would be fascinating, should put that on my to-do list
20:29 wizzyrea please install libgd?
20:29 jcamins rhcl: it is.
20:29 rhcl: and NEP-era fashion is just the cutest thing you've ever seen.
20:29 magnus_afk i know it has been said before, but i'll risk saying it again: the debian packages and their scripts are AWESOME!!! liw++ eythian++ srdjan++
20:29 wizzyrea :D
20:29 jcamins Think flappers only more adorable.
20:29 seneca What's that, huginn?
20:29 magnus_afk see ya!
20:29 maximep seneca: fcapovilla. There has to be errors on either side telling u why they can't login :S
20:29 wizzyrea huginn is a bot
20:29 seneca *purs one out for Debian*
20:29 huginn wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
20:29 seneca ha!
20:30 wizzyrea he was responding to your @
20:30 seneca got it
20:30 sorry - twitter muscle memory..
20:30 maximep haha
20:30 wizzyrea hehe all good
20:30 seneca maximep, I agree ;)
20:30 maximep faster to let your irc client autocomplete :p
20:32 seneca on the Koha side, the response I get from the LDAP server is that the user gets "0 hits" but I know that user exists, and is in fact able to log into the Novell system just fine.
20:32 and so far, I can't find any logs on the Novell system ;)
20:32 indeed :)(
20:33 wizzyrea http://support.novell.com/docs[…]ons/10062292.html may help you
20:35 seneca thanks, wizzyrea
20:36 druthb it's a good thing lunch finally got here...I think trea was thinking of gnawing my other leg off.
20:36 jcamins rhcl: in all seriousness, if you have access to the Zhenskii zhurnal microfilm, they're pretty great.
20:36 wizzyrea druthb: lulz
20:43 Mkman yehh make test is OK
20:43 wizzyrea YOU WIN
20:43 :)
20:46 Mkman :D
20:47 what is  a2nmod ?
20:48 wizzyrea apache 2 enable mod
20:48 Mkman humm i dont have it on my system
20:48 let me check again
20:48 trea-lunch it's spelled "a2enmod"
20:49 Mkman oh maybe that's it. a typo
20:51 wizzyrea good heavens what instructions are you looking at
20:52 so I can fix the typos lol
20:52 Mkman No it's was my typo lool
20:53 wizzyrea ohhhhh
20:57 Mkman not it's not my type that tools doesnt exist here. i had to re-compile apache
20:58 * oleonard is glad recompiling apache isn't in the standard instructions
20:58 Mkman :)
20:58 eythian I don't think I've ever had to manually recompile apache
20:59 rhcl I greatly admire his dedication, for me the debian-path-of-least-resistance would have been automatic
20:59 eythian which for someone whose nick starts with 'rh' is almost ironic :)
20:59 oleonard Linux people are the ones who spend the longest pulling on the door that says "push" ;)
21:00 "But pushing is /better/!"
21:00 Mkman eheh. it's not hard recompiling on gentoo
21:00 in fact it is pretty simple
21:00 seneca Careful, there's a lot of us about. ;)
21:00 rhcl "rh" - don't get it
21:01 seneca I think he means red hat
21:01 a distro of linux
21:01 rhcl ah, No, I'm by choice more of an OpenSuse person.
21:02 Mkman yeh OpenSuse is pretty cool
21:02 rhcl It <IMHO> has the best general server and admin toolset installed by default
21:02 but Mint for the Masses
21:03 wizzyrea @quote add oleonard: Linux people are the ones who spend the longest pulling on the door that says "push" ;) "But pushing is /better/!"
21:03 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #179 added.
21:03 wizzyrea @quote get 179
21:03 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #179: "oleonard: Linux people are the ones who spend the longest pulling on the door that says push ;) "But pushing is /better/!"" (added by wizzyrea at 09:03 PM, January 10, 2012)
21:03 Mkman my father's pc runs OpenSuse
21:03 ehehe
21:03 rhcl I think we, at long frustratingly last, have our children't computer, built on Mint, up and running .5 stabily.
21:03 oleonard Great, now Linux people can be mad at me whenever :)
21:04 wizzyrea HAHA
21:04 trea-lunch hehe
21:04 wizzyrea but we know that you love linux people, so it's cool
21:04 and you're not totally wrong :P
21:04 Mkman oleonard: you do not use Linux?
21:04 rhcl Now if I can get my talented, but document challenged, tech to write it up maybe we can release it into the wild.
21:05 wizzyrea careful oleonard, it's a trap!
21:05 oleonard Mkman: I do, but not as my primary OS. Windows at work, OSX at home, Linux VMs for dev stuff.
21:06 Mkman eheh that's fine too
21:07 eythian I have it easy, Linux servers, linux desktop at work, linux desktop and laptop at home :)
21:07 nice and consistent :)
21:07 Mkman i only run Linux. it makes me feel at home. Windows just make me feel like a pretty girl doesnt nothing inside
21:07 eheh
21:07 wizzyrea and an android tab :)
21:07 rhcl We also have all our OPACs running on a hacked Mint distro installed in mini-ITX computers. Suppose anybody out there cares to see it?
21:08 wizzyrea I think if you did it, someone somewhere will want to see it
21:08 kind of loving this new notices stuff
21:08 bug 7001
21:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , User Configurable Slips
21:08 wizzyrea it's a bit rough still but mostly functional
21:09 oleonard wizzyrea: Did you see the recent "Why I hate Android" blog post?
21:09 wizzyrea hmm no
21:09 well maybe
21:09 "it's not open enough?" was that the gist
21:09 oleonard http://parislemon.com/post/156[…]hy-i-hate-android
21:10 * oleonard hasn't used Android but found it an interesting read
21:10 Mkman i still use an Nokia Express Music 5310
21:11 * wizzyrea has a problem with the usage of free (no cost) in there - anything ad supported is never "no cost" - you pay for it with your personal information
21:11 wizzyrea </rant>
21:12 fortunately we ended up with the worst of both - we pay *and* we pay with our personal info. Neato.
21:13 eythian > Apple, because they put the consumer first and have proven time and time again that they will not bend to carrier bullshit and will often work against them behind the scenes.
21:13 apple installed carrierIQ on _all_ their phones
21:13 wizzyrea oh I'm not disagreeing with you on that
21:13 eythian oh, I was arguing with the blog
21:13 wizzyrea oh :)
21:14 oleonard eythian: The difference is that Apple put carrierIQ on the phones for themselves, not the carriers ;)
21:14 wizzyrea my android phone didn't have it, ever afaict
21:14 eythian that certainly makes it better :)
21:14 neither did mine, I've only had the nexus range. Also our carriers don't seem to do that anyway
21:15 wizzyrea but I think mine predates carrierIQ
21:15 galaxy s 1
21:15 which is still a great phone, once I got rid of touchwiz
21:15 :P
21:18 Mkman sudo a2ensite koha && /etc/init.d/apache2 reload
21:18 can you guys replace this tool, with some basic commands that do the same thing?
21:19 * oleonard heads out
21:19 wizzyrea bye
21:19 rhcl he was serious
21:20 wizzyrea you can always just symlink in your site into sites-enabled from sites-available - or maybe i'm not picking up what you're putting down
21:20 * eythian just uses apt-get ;)
21:20 Mkman eheh
21:23 wizzyrea: ln -s /etc/apache2/koha /etc/apache2/sites-enable/koha ?
21:24 wizzyrea well it'd probably be ln -s /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha
21:24 but a2ensite does the same thing
21:24 *shrug* I just use the tools apache gives me because I'm SUPER LAZY
21:24 Mkman yes
21:25 wizzyrea (and I consider appropriate laziness a virtue)
21:26 Mkman I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml"
21:26 21:25:43-10/01 [fatal] Could not parse /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
21:26 humm
21:30 long day meh
21:31 brb i will eat something before i die
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21:37 seneca I'm a Debian faithful - are still Debian questions needing answers? I'd love to be able to answer some questions for others, for a change. )
21:37 wizzyrea always debian questions dangling about
21:37 :)
21:38 just not today
21:38 it's all gentoo all the time today, apparently
21:38 seneca wizzyrea: thanks for the link earlier - it didn't directly lead me to my answer, but it made me look at the problem in a different way and now everything's hunky dorey
21:38 wizzyrea WOOT!
21:38 seneca ew...
21:38 ;P
21:38 wizzyrea i love it when that happens
21:38 (really)
21:38 seneca indee
21:38 d
21:38 something about more brains being better
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21:47 wizzyrea ﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿ from the "look of disapproval" chrome extension
21:47 rather makes me giggle.
21:48 ◔_◔ also a good one
21:48 seneca nice
21:59 Mkman humm i dont really know why that error is showing :(
21:59 that sucks
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22:05 Mkman well see you guys tomorrow
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22:08 Mkman yeh i had an error in the path of the command
22:08 what is the default servername?
22:09 i put the default and i forgot :|
22:09 schuster by all
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22:15 * jcamins_away waves.
22:15 jcamins_away Myshkin objects.
22:16 Mkman jcamins: i have a question. what is the default server name?
22:16 jcamins Mkman: what do you mean?
22:17 That is, what server are you talking about?
22:17 Mkman like http://www.servername.com:8080/ i dont remenber what is the default name that i configured
22:17 jcamins Ah.
22:17 rhcl koha?
22:17 wahanui koha is a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info
22:17 jcamins It defaults to 127.0.1.1:8080.
22:17 No one knows exactly why.
22:18 You'll want to change that to *:8080
22:18 And *:80
22:18 Mkman unable to connect
22:18 humm
22:18 jcamins It defaults to 127.0.1.1 on Debian.
22:18 wizzyrea well try changing it to 127.0.0.2:8080 and :80
22:18 jcamins I guess it could be something else on Gentoo.
22:18 Check.
22:18 wizzyrea .0.0.1 I mean
22:19 man, i am typo happy
22:19 try changing it to 127.0.0.1:8080 and 127.0.0.1:80
22:19 * jcamins would suggest just checking in the Apache config.
22:19 jcamins Easier.
22:20 Also, you might not have a Listen *:8080 set up yet.
22:20 wizzyrea ^^
22:21 Mkman jcamins: i tryied to stop apache and it seems that is some module that is configured the wrong way
22:22 jcamins Mkman: you'll want to troubleshoot that, then.
22:23 Remember that none of us have ever experienced any of the problems you're encountering, and many of us have switched to using the packages to get everything configured for us.
22:23 Mkman :)
22:23 sure no problem
22:24 i digg into and maybe in the final i write some ebuilds to make it easier to install it on gentoo
22:24 liw magnus_away, thank you, thank you
22:24 jcamins Definitely a good idea. :)
22:26 Mkman recompiling apache again. it seems to be some problems with modules that i flag to be compiled and modules that are needed to be loaded and are not
22:27 jcamins You have to recompile Apache to change which modules are loaded?
22:27 Ugh!
22:28 Mkman i compiled it together
22:30 maximep gentoo is all about choosing what modules u want!
22:30 =)
22:30 i guess most people don't care about that level of configuration
22:30 jcamins maximep: I decide that too.
22:30 I run a2enmod for all the modules I want.
22:30 ;)
22:31 * wizzyrea too
22:31 maximep not the same
22:31 * jcamins used to use FreeBSD.
22:32 maximep using gentoo since 2006
22:32 I can't stand using distros
22:32 * jcamins installed whatever the port maintainers suggested, and didn't run into any problems. :P
22:32 maximep haha
22:33 Mkman yeh i dont have any problems with the gentoo repos
22:33 * jcamins declares January 10 International Frittata Day.
22:34 Mkman humm the apache is running ok. so i guess i mess up some on the installation
22:34 lol
22:34 today was an awesome day lol
22:35 jcamins For those of you who have forgotten, May 4 is International French Toast Day.
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22:37 Mkman lol
22:37 are you french?
22:38 paul_p Mkman, i'm french ;-)
22:38 ( and going to bed now, as it's 11:40PM here :D )
22:39 wizzyrea sleep well :)
22:39 paul_p 4 patches pushed...
22:39 jcamins Mkman: no, but May 4 is International French Toast Day.
22:39 paul_p++
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22:40 Mkman its 10:39PM here in Portugal
22:40 well see you guys tomorrow
22:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #586 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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22:47 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_2629' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7e8ca368cd74fe5c4> / Bug 2629 - Diacritics not being ignored when searching <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2f0454a71a4f46245> / Bug 5543 - Date ISO format wrong separator <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ha.git;a=commitdi
22:51 jcamins Frittata time!
22:51 rhcl ping gmcharlt
22:52 gmcharlt rhcl: pong
22:52 rhcl: thanks for the cookie! ;)
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23:37 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #586: SUCCESS in 54 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/586/
23:37 * Chris Cormack: Bug 7728 : Materials Specified field made larger and displayed
23:37 * Chris Cormack: Bug 7278 : Additional Materials
23:37 * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7278: Follow up fixing display of item informaton on detail page
23:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7728 was not found.
23:37 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7278 follow-up DBrev number
23:37 * oleonard: Bug 5543 - Date ISO format wrong separator
23:37 * root: Bug 2629 - Diacritics not being ignored when searching
23:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7278 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , In the items table, make items.materials of type text, and show its contents at circulation
23:37 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5543 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Date ISO format wrong separator
23:37 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2629 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ago, ASSIGNED , Diacritics not being ignored when searching
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