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| 00:06 | jransom | any catalyst staff here? |
| 00:18 | schuster | Hey jransom - so what is the status of the NZ trademark dispute? |
| 00:19 | Did HLT formally request the Trademark from PTFS? or can you talk about it? | |
| 00:23 | jransom | heya david |
| 00:25 | our lawyer has written to ptfs accepting their offer to transfer their application to hlt, being the community selected koha nonprofit organisation. | |
| 00:25 | i havnt heard back yet whether they have followed through. | |
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| 03:06 | AmitG | heya bag happy birthday :) |
| 03:07 | bag | hey thanks AmitG |
| 03:16 | AmitG | bag: my party |
| 03:16 | bag | :) |
| 03:35 | night everyone | |
| 03:59 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 03:59 | Oak | @wunder islamabad |
| 03:59 | huginn | Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 1.0°C (8:00 AM PKT on January 09, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
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| 04:34 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 04:34 | Oak | good morning cait |
| 04:35 | cait | hi Oak :) |
| 04:35 | Oak | :) |
| 04:35 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 04:35 | huginn | Oak: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.7°C (5:34 AM CET on January 09, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.41 in 1029.7 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:35 | Oak | @wunder islamabad |
| 04:35 | huginn | Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 4.0°C (9:00 AM PKT on January 09, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
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| 07:27 | magnuse | Oak |
| 07:27 | Oak | magnuse |
| 07:27 | magnuse | kia ora #koha! |
| 07:28 | Oak | :) |
| 07:32 | cait | morning magnuse :) |
| 07:32 | bbiab | |
| 07:36 | magnuse | guten morgen cait |
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| 07:52 | julian_m | hello |
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| 07:53 | magnuse | bonjour france |
| 07:55 | alex_a | hello #koha |
| 07:55 | bonjour magnuse | |
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| 07:55 | reiveune | hello |
| 08:02 | matts | hi #koha ! |
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| 08:06 | asaurat | hi! |
| 08:07 | sophie_m | hello |
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| 08:09 | marcelr | hi koha |
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| 08:12 | kf | hi again #koha |
| 08:12 | marcelr | hi kf |
| 08:12 | kf | hi marcel |
| 08:19 | Oak | hello katrin fischer |
| 08:20 | kf | so formal? |
| 08:20 | Oak | |
| 08:20 | Oak | :) |
| 08:21 | you are in office now. so. | |
| 08:21 | kf | ok :) |
| 08:21 | Oak | nah. just tried something different. no reason. |
| 08:22 | do you have any cookies left from holiday season? | |
| 08:22 | kf | hm sorry |
| 08:22 | no cookies | |
| 08:23 | Oak | :-| |
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| 08:28 | AmitG | heya kf :D |
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| 08:33 | magnuse | yay, i think i figured out why building packages with l10n failed! just have to wait ~10 minutes to see if i was right... |
| 08:33 | francharb | hello #koha |
| 08:34 | marcelr | hi francharb |
| 08:34 | AmitG | heya francharb, marceir |
| 08:35 | marcelr | hi amitg |
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| 08:38 | ktk | is there any patch available to this bug then "to get rid of an error for patrons with message getting an error as patron has had overdue items and is blocked for x days" we are getting this error for several of our borrowers and we cant do any transactions |
| 08:39 | can some one help to sort out error on borrowers "patron has had overdue items and is blocked for x days" | |
| 08:41 | Oak | magnuse++ |
| 09:10 | kf | ktk: which version of koha are you using? |
| 09:12 | ktk | koha-3.6.2 |
| 09:13 | is there any way by which i can open koha database in phpMyAdmin and unblock users where it is blocked pl. help | |
| 09:19 | kf | I am not sure where the problem is |
| 09:20 | have you set a fine days value in your circulation rules? | |
| 09:20 | ktk | our circulation is stopped |
| 09:20 | kf | administraction > circulation rules |
| 09:21 | ktk | yes but there is no value for this category |
| 09:21 | defined | |
| 09:28 | kf | hm that is correct |
| 09:28 | paul_p or some other biblibrarian around? is there a known problem with fines in days? | |
| 09:30 | mtj | heya cait |
| 09:30 | ktk: try creating a circ rule, first - then test again... | |
| 09:30 | kf | hi mtj :) |
| 09:31 | ktk | but already there are patrons under the circ rules defined |
| 09:31 | shall i delete that rule and then again create | |
| 09:32 | kf | you can delete and change circ rules anytime - they will work for new checkouts (due dates) and fine rules will work immediately |
| 09:33 | ktk | but what about old transactions |
| 09:33 | mtj | add a circ rule for the problem category |
| 09:34 | ... then test circ with a 'test' borrower | |
| 09:34 | category is itemtype, in this situation | |
| 09:34 | AmitG | heya mtj |
| 09:35 | mtj | ktk: and yes, you access/modify any mysql database with phpmyadmin |
| 09:35 | heya amit :) | |
| 09:36 | happy new year everyone! :p | |
| 09:39 | ktk | i tried creating new rule and changing the category and rule to the patron for one of the patrons where i am getting an error as Patron has had overdue items and is blocked for 830 day(s). but the same error is still there |
| 09:39 | kf | in the patron record |
| 09:39 | when you log at the flags | |
| 09:39 | is there a flag debarred with a date set? | |
| 09:39 | ktk | how to check that |
| 09:39 | kf | I think changing the rule is probably not enough here, as the patron records have been changed already |
| 09:40 | Oak | Overheard in the lobby of a Johannesburg hotel: "My wife is an hour late. She's either been kidnapped, hit by a motorcar or she's shopping. I hope she hasn't been shopping." -- Johannesburg Sunday Times |
| 09:40 | kf | not nice! :) |
| 09:40 | Oak | :o) |
| 09:41 | mtj | ktk: as kf said... look at the patron record |
| 09:42 | ktk | what to be looked in patron record |
| 09:42 | kf | look at the debarred flag |
| 09:42 | and if there is a date set | |
| 09:43 | ktk | there is an expiry date but which is 2020 |
| 09:44 | as we gave 99 months for this category | |
| 09:44 | kf | ktk |
| 09:44 | please read what I write ;) | |
| 09:44 | open the patrn record to edit it | |
| 09:44 | and go to patron flags | |
| 09:44 | at the bottom | |
| 09:45 | ktk | and there Gone no Address: Yes No Restricted: Yes No Lost Card: Yes No "everything here is No" |
| 09:48 | mtj | ktk: if you pastebin a screenshot, i'll take a look at it |
| 09:49 | * magnuse | waves at mtj |
| 09:49 | mtj | ktk: my hunch... you have a buggy circulation rule? |
| 09:50 | * mtj | waves back at magnuse |
| 09:50 | ktk | i just want to get solution to the problem now. |
| 09:51 | kf | mtj: or it's a real bug |
| 09:51 | fine in days was changed recently... | |
| 09:51 | and that worries me actually | |
| 09:51 | ktk | check the screenshot |
| 09:52 | kf | we have no link ktk :) |
| 09:52 | ktk | http://mibpaste.com/ozWrwb |
| 09:52 | http://wbe003.mibbit.com/?sett[…]t&channel=%23koha | |
| 09:53 | mtj | oops, that didnt work, try again... |
| 09:54 | ktk | http://mibpaste.com/ydFN4S |
| 09:54 | sorry | |
| 09:54 | hw can i give link from PasteBin | |
| 09:55 | kf | you have to upload the screenshot somewhere |
| 09:55 | and give us that link | |
| 09:55 | i am not sure mibpaste can handle images | |
| 09:56 | mtj | hmm, i'm not sure pastebin does images too! :/ |
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| 09:59 | mtj | inky.ws looks to do images, ok |
| 10:00 | i couldnt find anything better :/ | |
| 10:00 | ktk | ok let me check |
| 10:01 | http://static.inky.ws/image/1088/image.jpg | |
| 10:02 | http://static.inky.ws/image/1088/image.jpg | |
| 10:02 | http://static.inky.ws/image/1088/image.jpg | |
| 10:02 | why the link is coming blank | |
| 10:02 | i tried pasting it | |
| 10:03 | kf | I can see the images |
| 10:03 | can you post an image of your circulation rules? | |
| 10:03 | mtj | ktk: is your system clock set correctly? |
| 10:03 | kf | has the cronjob for fines been run on this system? |
| 10:03 | ktk | yes cron is set |
| 10:04 | mtj | system clock is correct? |
| 10:04 | ktk | let me check |
| 10:05 | yes thats as well correct | |
| 10:06 | mtj | and check your circ rules, specifically your 'Suspension in Days (day)' values |
| 10:06 | ktk | that is 0 only |
| 10:06 | i checked that | |
| 10:06 | kf | yep, I think that is the next step |
| 10:06 | for default library and the specific library where this happens? | |
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| 10:07 | ktk | its only one library |
| 10:07 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7241] circulation action logs record biblionumber instead of item number <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7241> |
| 10:08 | kf | yes |
| 10:08 | but there is a pull down on top | |
| 10:08 | have you entered the circ rules for the default or for the library? | |
| 10:09 | ktk | for the library |
| 10:12 | kf | ok |
| 10:12 | mtj | you may need to look at the value for 'borrowers.debarred' for this patron record |
| 10:12 | kf | has this installation been updated from a previous version? |
| 10:12 | yep, and if the answer is yes mtj's suggestion is the next step | |
| 10:13 | ktk | yes upgraded from 3.4.2 to 3.6.2 to get out |
| 10:13 | hw to look at borrowers.debarred | |
| 10:14 | mtj | mysql prompt , or phpmyadmin? |
| 10:14 | kf | hm or reports |
| 10:14 | but others would be easier | |
| 10:15 | mtj | yep, or some sql, via koha reports |
| 10:15 | mysql prompt is best/easiest | |
| 10:15 | ktk | nw if i know debarred member how to unbar/unblock that member is the key question |
| 10:16 | mtj | remove value from borrowers.debarred |
| 10:16 | ktk | pl tell me hw to d that |
| 10:17 | mtj | mysql > update borrowers set debarred = null where borrowernumber = 777 |
| 10:17 | that could work... ? | |
| 10:18 | kf | ktk: yes, but you don't want it to happen again |
| 10:18 | ktk: so findingout why it happened is important too | |
| 10:18 | I think it's been probably an update problem | |
| 10:21 | ktk | no before the version there was a problem hence i ran the upgrade to sort out the problem |
| 10:23 | i tried running mysql command but no change | |
| 10:23 | mtj | ktk: ok, so you are gonna have to look and fix-up your borrowers.debarred values |
| 10:23 | kf | can you try: select debarred from borrowers where borrowernumber = 77 |
| 10:23 | mtj | ... and set them to something correct |
| 10:24 | kf | and is 777 the borrowernumber of the patron you are having problems with? |
| 10:25 | mtj | ktk: replace 777 with *your* problematic patrons number... ;) ok? |
| 10:26 | ktk | select debarred from borrowers where borrowernumber =3; when i ran it showed me NULL value |
| 10:26 | kf | ok |
| 10:26 | that should be ok then | |
| 10:26 | ktk | but still it is not allowing me to checkout |
| 10:26 | for that patron | |
| 10:27 | mtj | becoz he has overdue books? |
| 10:27 | ktk | no there are no overdue books |
| 10:27 | mtj | or becoz he is blocked for 830 days? |
| 10:27 | ktk | so that is my question how to unblock him |
| 10:28 | mtj | so... has the blocking message changed now? |
| 10:28 | or is it still the same? | |
| 10:29 | ktk | still the same |
| 10:33 | mtj | hmm, a nasty bug :/ |
| 10:33 | ktk | its killing my head |
| 10:34 | kf | could you check the output of: select finedays from issuingrules? |
| 10:34 | mtj | ktk: you have this problem before the upgrade? on your 3.4 system? |
| 10:34 | ktk | yes it was and hence i thought in upgrade it may go and i ran an upgrade |
| 10:34 | mtj | bug 6328 |
| 10:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6328 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fine in days does not work |
| 10:35 | kf | http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]-s-td3206574.html |
| 10:35 | there is a similar report to yours - but no solution | |
| 10:35 | mtj | looks like it may be related to the above bug |
| 10:35 | ktk | wil it get sorted out with new version |
| 10:35 | or what could be solution | |
| 10:36 | kf | I think there is something wrong in configuration |
| 10:36 | but yes, this feature has been changed for the next version and perhaps updates to it will be in 3.6.3 - but I am not sure about that | |
| 10:37 | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]ember/026432.html | |
| 10:37 | do your items have proper itemtypes? | |
| 10:37 | and check if changing your OverduesBlockCirc system preference makes a difference | |
| 10:39 | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]11-10-21#i_795564 | |
| 10:39 | here is some information too | |
| 10:39 | ktk | yes they have item types and i checked that too |
| 10:39 | kf | does changing the system prefer3ence make a difference? |
| 10:40 | did you check the select finedays from issuingrules? what was the result? | |
| 10:41 | ktk | how to check this finedays from issuingrules |
| 10:41 | mtj | wow, nice info kf :) well done! |
| 10:41 | kf | like you did before - run the sql |
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| 10:42 | kf | select finedays from issuingrules; |
| 10:42 | hi paul_p | |
| 10:42 | ktk | and it gave the numbers with 0 |
| 10:42 | kf | all 0 not null? |
| 10:42 | hmm | |
| 10:42 | you could try | |
| 10:42 | update issuingrules set finedays = NULL; | |
| 10:44 | ktk | hi kt thanks tons this worked perfectly |
| 10:44 | thanks thanks thanks a lot | |
| 10:45 | i was tensed since yday | |
| 10:45 | kf | cool |
| 10:45 | happy it worked! | |
| 10:45 | magnuse | kf++ mtj++ |
| 10:45 | ktk | nw it allowed me to checkout book for that borrower and the above query made changes at 56 places |
| 10:45 | kf | it should have updated your circ rules |
| 10:46 | from 0 to null | |
| 10:46 | which is... basically the same but still isn't the same | |
| 10:46 | ktk | oh i hope it does not make books checked in for those borrowers right |
| 10:46 | kf | should have no side effects I think but the problem can reappear when you change your circ rules |
| 10:46 | it should not affect current checkouts | |
| 10:47 | it only deactivates the feature for suspending patrons in days | |
| 10:47 | it's an alternative for charging fines | |
| 10:47 | ktk | thx tons! |
| 10:47 | ok | |
| 10:47 | mtj | hmm, so thats a bug in the code somewhere?, and not in ktk's database? |
| 10:47 | kf | I think so |
| 10:48 | from the chat log I posted | |
| 10:48 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7421] UNIMARC authorities DOM indexing mode <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7421> |
| 10:48 | kf | and I am not sure we have a bug report for it |
| 10:48 | 13:59 sekjal so, if you have finedays = 0 in any of your rules, it'll trigger | |
| 10:48 | 13:59 sekjal IsMemberBlocked checks for finedays IS NOT NULL | |
| 10:49 | * magnuse | plays briefly with the idea of a plain text view of e.g. circ rules to help in debugging |
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| 11:00 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7357] Subscriptions titles are replaced by "---" when duplicated <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7357> |
| 11:09 | kf | asaurat is busy :) |
| 11:10 | asaurat | :D |
| 11:10 | kf | :) |
| 11:13 | magnuse | woohoo! looks like i managed to create a working koha-l10n-nb-no_3.6.2*.deb! |
| 11:13 | * magnuse | does happydance |
| 11:14 | kf | woot! |
| 11:16 | mtj | w00t w00t |
| 11:18 | kf | magnuse: told you you will figure it out :) |
| 11:21 | magnuse | ;-) |
| 11:22 | still a problem with tiny_mce, though | |
| 11:22 | but that's minor | |
| 11:23 | this coming weekend will see my customers moving to 3.6.2 and the packages! | |
| 11:23 | kf | cool :) |
| 11:23 | magnuse | yup ;-) |
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| 11:31 | kf | wb paul_p |
| 11:31 | paul_p2 | hello from Paris, where i'm training a new Koha library (Université paris Sud !) |
| 11:31 | showing IRC to my "students" | |
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| 11:32 | kf | welcome to #koha Université paris Sud :) |
| 11:34 | asaurat | salut paul_p2 =) |
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| 12:08 | tcohen | hi #koha |
| 12:09 | magnuse | hiya tcohen |
| 12:21 | tcohen | i'm about to write a little email to koha-devel on the use of memcached |
| 12:21 | is it worth writing "about" memcached or should I go straight to the point? | |
| 12:24 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7310] Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310> |
| 12:25 | mtj | tcohen: straight to the point - google is our friend :) |
| 12:25 | tcohen | thanks mtj |
| 12:26 | mtj | happy new year, asaurat and tcohen! :) |
| 12:27 | tcohen | happy new year :-D |
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| 12:38 | asaurat | thx happy new year too :) |
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| 13:09 | mtj | does anyone have any new info about the *new* plans for updatedatabase.pl ? |
| 13:09 | perhaps biblibre or bywater peeps? | |
| 13:11 | im about to send a patch using the old method, and i wanted to use the new method.... | |
| 13:11 | ||
| 13:11 | but, i dont recall if the new method was finalised? | |
| 13:11 | anyone know? | |
| 13:13 | ooh bug 6700 | |
| 13:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6700 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Better handling of version numbers in updatedatabase |
| 13:13 | marcelr | mtj: 7167 |
| 13:13 | 7167 is not yet through | |
| 13:14 | mtj | bug 7167 |
| 13:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , updatedatabase improvements |
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| 13:15 | marcelr | mtj: if your patch is complete, just send it via old method |
| 13:16 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:16 | marcelr | hi oleonard |
| 13:16 | mtj | heya owen |
| 13:17 | marcelr: thanks, yep, i'll just use the old method :) it will be fine | |
| 13:18 | the 6700 patch for version-XXX is new for me... very nice! :) | |
| 13:20 | kf | yep |
| 13:20 | marcelr++ for that :) | |
| 13:21 | mtj | yep, marcelr++ for sure! |
| 13:21 | marcelr | thx |
| 13:22 | tcohen | anyone here with time to talk about memcached? |
| 13:23 | kf | seems pretty silent here today |
| 13:23 | tcohen | hi kf |
| 13:23 | kf | hi tcohen :) |
| 13:26 | tcohen | i'm about to do some tests on memoize |
| 13:26 | for data invalidation | |
| 13:26 | the docs say "it doesnt work" | |
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| 14:05 | * tcohen | is happy, as flush_cache seems to work as expected in memoize |
| 14:07 | kf | tcohen: not sure I can help you here |
| 14:07 | tcohen | no problem, it seems to work |
| 14:07 | kf | but I noticed a problem with frameworks - when you change something it gets cached instead of changing |
| 14:07 | tcohen | yes |
| 14:07 | kf | only started using it for my test installation recently |
| 14:08 | but I really think the cache needs to refresh when you change things - it's very confusing | |
| 14:08 | tcohen | whati am trying to propose is a way to invalidate caches |
| 14:08 | just trying to figure out the best way to do it | |
| 14:08 | as this memoize/dynamic programming thing | |
| 14:09 | is not the nicest way to deal with this | |
| 14:09 | i.e. we avoid touching the code that reads data | |
| 14:10 | but will end touching the code that writes it, so it invalidates the cache | |
| 14:11 | nevermind, i'm just stuck thinking on this | |
| 14:14 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha. |
| 14:14 | marcelr | hi jcamins |
| 14:15 | tcohen | hi jcamins |
| 14:16 | jcamins | marcelr: Thanks for looking at bug 5226. |
| 14:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5226 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, koha, ASSIGNED , MARC21 field 545 missing |
| 14:17 | marcelr | np |
| 14:17 | jcamins | Adding a follow-up for es-ES and nb-NO. |
| 14:17 | marcelr | good |
| 14:19 | jcamins | Wow. That's so old that I developed it on a system that I no longer have. |
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| 14:35 | jcamins | Follow-up sent. |
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| 14:40 | jcamins | Woohoo! |
| 14:40 | marcelr++ | |
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| 14:40 | marcelr | see you |
| 14:41 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 14:43 | oleonard | Hi wizzyrea |
| 14:44 | jcamins | Hi wizzyrea. |
| 14:48 | magnuse | Hi wizzyrea. |
| 14:49 | wizzyrea | how is everyone this time-of-day |
| 14:49 | jcamins | Sleepy. |
| 14:49 | sekjal | cold and sore |
| 14:50 | oleonard | Did you sleep outside on a rock sekjal? |
| 14:50 | wizzyrea | sore? |
| 14:50 | sekjal | oleonard: lots of yardwork yesterday in sub-freezing temperatures |
| 14:50 | wizzyrea | oof |
| 14:50 | magnuse | almost ready for some dinner |
| 14:50 | ouch! poor sekjal | |
| 14:50 | jcamins | Well, that's one benefit to only owning the *inside* of an apartment. |
| 14:50 | sekjal | why did I buy a house in New England? |
| 14:50 | oleonard | Sub-freezing? Wow, we were out at the park yesterday in light jackets. |
| 14:51 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 14:51 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (3:20 PM CET on January 09, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 14:51 | wizzyrea | because you love the smell of burning leaves? |
| 14:51 | sekjal | we're still cleaning up here from the great Halloween Storm |
| 14:51 | finally got a chainsaw | |
| 14:51 | wizzyrea | ok - you with a chainsaw is simultaneously awesome and terrifying. |
| 14:51 | * magnuse | has 2 square meters of mostly neglected garden... |
| 14:52 | sekjal | :) |
| 14:52 | * jcamins | will have the inside of an apartment. |
| 14:53 | jcamins | sekjal: your home could be entirely bounded by plaster... surely this is better? :) |
| 14:54 | sekjal | just glad I'm going to SoCal for a few days... give me a chance to thaw a bit |
| 14:56 | oleonard | Is there a ByWater pow-wow? |
| 14:56 | sekjal | oleonard: yes, staff retreat |
| 14:57 | oleonard | Nice. I wish my staff get-togethers were in SoCal. |
| 15:01 | nengard | can someone test something for me? |
| 15:01 | I'm setting the 952$1 to -5 for hidden and it's not marking the field as hidden | |
| 15:01 | other 952 subfields have that value and are hidden | |
| 15:01 | jcamins | nengard: restart memcached. |
| 15:01 | nengard | don't have that |
| 15:01 | it's my test server | |
| 15:01 | my vm | |
| 15:02 | other ideas? is there a bug? | |
| 15:02 | jcamins | I'm out of ideas. |
| 15:03 | sekjal | nengard: what db field is mapped to $1? |
| 15:03 | nengard | lost |
| 15:03 | doing a video on how to hide the lost field from the edit items form | |
| 15:03 | sekjal | you may need a different lost value |
| 15:03 | sorry | |
| 15:04 | not lost value | |
| 15:04 | hidden value | |
| 15:04 | wahanui | hidden value is 0 which should make 653 $a visible in the OPAC. |
| 15:04 | nengard | which apparently you can't do - i tried all kinds of hidden values |
| 15:04 | i did 5, -5, -1 | |
| 15:04 | it never hides it | |
| 15:04 | it does save the value though | |
| 15:04 | it's there when i go back to edit the item | |
| 15:04 | sekjal | what about setting the tab managed to "ignore"? |
| 15:04 | nengard | oh ?. let's see |
| 15:05 | bingo! | |
| 15:05 | thanks | |
| 15:06 | sekjal | :) |
| 15:06 | kf | gmcharlt++ |
| 15:12 | jcamins | You know what would be cool? |
| 15:13 | Authority control that understood subdivision authority records. | |
| 15:13 | That'd be very cool. | |
| 15:18 | tcohen | @wunder wellington |
| 15:18 | huginn | tcohen: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 15:19 | tcohen | @wunder wellington, new zealand |
| 15:19 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (3:00 AM NZDT on January 10, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling). |
| 15:22 | maximep | @wunder YUL |
| 15:22 | huginn | maximep: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -5.0°C (9:00 AM EST on January 09, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021 hPa (Falling). |
| 15:24 | maximep | actually -12 with a lot of snow :/ |
| 15:25 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 15:25 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.3°C (4:24 PM CET on January 09, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.47 in 1031.7 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:25 | kf | we have a weird winter this year |
| 15:28 | oleonard: around? | |
| 15:28 | oleonard | Yes |
| 15:28 | kf | oh cool :) |
| 15:28 | I have a design/css/jquery... whatever will help question | |
| 15:29 | pm :) | |
| 15:42 | wizzyrea++ too :) | |
| 15:42 | and oleonard++ | |
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| 15:47 | wizzyrea | dumb question (probably) is there a sanctioned place in a standard koha install where one would stash their custom CSS files? (I'm looking at bug 7001). Certainly, any old web accessible place would do, but I am sure someone is going to ask the question "where do I put these files, I'm not running anything but Koha on this server" |
| 15:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , User Configurable Slips |
| 15:48 | Guest23478 was kicked by wizzyrea: Guest23478 | |
| 15:48 | * jcamins | cowers. |
| 15:48 | wizzyrea | lulz :) |
| 15:48 | jcamins | wizzyrea: there is not a good place for custom CSS files. |
| 15:48 | There should be. | |
| 15:49 | I've seen people put them in koha-tmpl/prog/en/css | |
| 15:49 | wizzyrea | ok good, that's kind of both what I was and wasn't hoping for |
| 15:49 | jcamins | It's a bad idea. |
| 15:50 | kf | translations |
| 15:50 | wahanui | translations are there... And might help stoping the warnings. |
| 15:50 | kf | bad idea |
| 15:50 | wizzyrea | ^^ is a good answer because I can make it happen, is a bad answer because it will likely incite a lot of debate ^.^ |
| 15:50 | kf | if you activate a language later and forget to copy the file... it will look ugly |
| 15:50 | jcamins | kf: yes, that's why I recommend against it. |
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| 15:51 | jcamins | kf: actually, even bigger issue: you have to hardcode the 'en' into the database. |
| 15:51 | It's a bigger problem with js, because then you end up with English strings. | |
| 15:51 | wizzyrea | so, what about koha-tmpl/intranet/custom_css or something |
| 15:52 | jcamins | This seems sensible. |
| 15:52 | wizzyrea | take it up a few levels |
| 15:52 | outside of translations | |
| 15:52 | * kf | nods |
| 15:52 | kf | I think that would be good |
| 15:52 | wizzyrea | the path doesn't really matter, it's definable in the sysprefs |
| 15:52 | jcamins | +1 |
| 15:52 | kf | or best option we have now |
| 15:52 | wizzyrea | perhaps an email to the dev list is in order |
| 15:53 | jcamins | wizzyrea: right, if you put it in en, you have to put that in the database, and now your de installations have jQuery inserting English words. |
| 15:56 | Additional reason there should be a separate directory: people forget to rescue their customizations when moving to a new server. | |
| 15:57 | wizzyrea | right - that's one thing that we can help koha admins with |
| 15:57 | the packages could even dump that stuff into the backups | |
| 15:59 | jcamins | Good idea! |
| 15:59 | * jcamins | goes to make a coffee cake with streusel. |
| 15:59 | wizzyrea | ^ best status ever |
| 16:04 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:04 | kf | mmh streuselkuchen |
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| 16:06 | * kf | makes hot chocolate and waits for the streuselkuchen while brooding over css problems |
| 16:07 | wizzyrea | brooding? |
| 16:07 | kf | no? |
| 16:07 | wahanui | rumour has it no is failing unit tests |
| 16:07 | kf | breeding? |
| 16:07 | oleonard | brooding is correct |
| 16:07 | kf | thinking but... more frustrating |
| 16:07 | wizzyrea | naw, it's correct usage, I just wonder why : |
| 16:07 | :) | |
| 16:07 | kf | some display problems in one of my projects |
| 16:07 | wizzyrea | ooo |
| 16:09 | * tcohen | can't belive the code that changes frameworks its inside the .pl files |
| 16:10 | kf | ? |
| 16:10 | the code that changes frameworks? :) | |
| 16:11 | tcohen | marc_subfields_structure.pl has all the logic inside |
| 16:11 | kf | ah |
| 16:11 | tcohen | there isn't a C4 / Koha module |
| 16:11 | kf | candidate for Koha:: |
| 16:11 | ? | |
| 16:11 | some of the marc related things are hard to look at | |
| 16:11 | the thing to build the item forms has html code inside the pl... | |
| 16:12 | tcohen | i was looking to invalidate frameworks cache on write so you dont have that problem you mentioned |
| 16:12 | kf | oh |
| 16:12 | tcohen++ | |
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| 16:28 | kf | wb wizzyrea :) |
| 16:30 | jcamins | Actually, it's really more streusel with coffee cake. |
| 16:30 | kf | there is nothing wrong with lots of streusel |
| 16:31 | jcamins | That's good, because there's a ton. |
| 16:31 | wizzyrea: are you having some issues with your internet connection? | |
| 16:33 | nengard: your book has been acquired by my library school's library. | |
| 16:33 | nengard | woo hoo |
| 16:33 | will they update my authority?? :) | |
| 16:33 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 16:34 | They're not part of NACO, and I'm pretty sure non-heading information is never updated. | |
| 16:35 | nengard | oh well |
| 16:38 | wizzyrea | yea, I guess so. |
| 16:39 | bag | @later tell paul_p Happy Birthday today! |
| 16:39 | huginn | bag: The operation succeeded. |
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| 16:40 | wizzyrea | is it paul_p's birthday too? |
| 16:40 | nice :) | |
| 16:40 | kf | oh |
| 16:40 | who is the other? | |
| 16:40 | wahanui | i heard the other was the inability to have more than one IP range for a library |
| 16:40 | wizzyrea | forget the other |
| 16:40 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot other |
| 16:40 | wizzyrea | bag :) |
| 16:40 | kf | @later tell paul_p happy birthday! |
| 16:40 | huginn | kf: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:40 | kf | oh happy birthday bag :) |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea | @later tell paul_p happy brthday! |
| 16:41 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:41 | nengard | kf the other is libsysguy |
| 16:41 | skushner | Q: Can installing apache from apt-get instead of sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/debian.packages create problems for installer? (ie. Getting forbidden 403 error on install...)? thx. |
| 16:41 | kf | 3 on one day? |
| 16:42 | jcamins | skushner: it shouldn't, no. |
| 16:42 | magnuse | @later tell paul_p happy brthday! |
| 16:42 | huginn | magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:45 | bag | hey thanks all! |
| 16:45 | It's gonna be a great day! | |
| 16:45 | jcamins | Happy birthday! |
| 16:45 | magnuse | gratulerer med dagen bag! |
| 16:46 | bag | awesome! |
| 16:49 | rhcl_away | Happy BAG day! |
| 16:58 | kf | Alles Gute zum Geburtstag bag :) |
| 16:58 | bag | oh Wow!!! kice |
| 17:09 | jcamins | This coffee cake is taking forever to cook. |
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| 17:10 | kf | :) |
| 17:10 | time to leave for me - bbl :) | |
| 17:11 | wizzyrea | have you guys seen this: http://www.readwriteweb.com/ar[…]d_for_book_in.php |
| 17:12 | http://www.covercake.com/docs/api | |
| 17:12 | www.covercake.com | |
| 17:13 | * wizzyrea | wonders if there is an open analog |
| 17:17 | magnuse | the api is open? |
| 17:19 | nah, probably not | |
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| 17:21 | Guest23478 | phew. I really ought to find a place to stash a proper bouncer. |
| 17:22 | jcamins | Might be a good idea. |
| 17:22 | rhcl | "Our proprietary technology scans all comments " if that's any help |
| 17:23 | magnuse | wizzyrea: as in "a type of security guard employed at venues such as bars, nightclubs or concerts to provide security, check legal age, or to refuse entry for intoxication, aggressive behavior, or lack of attractiveness."? |
| 17:23 | wizzyrea | well I was thinking of "IRC bouncer" but I could use my own bouncer. You know, with my international fame and all. |
| 17:23 | wait, what? | |
| 17:23 | wahanui | wait, is it only in items? |
| 17:23 | wizzyrea | forget wait |
| 17:23 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot wait |
| 17:26 | jcamins | BTW, the coffee cake is delicious. |
| 17:26 | It took forever to cook, but was totally worth it. | |
| 17:27 | magnuse | wizzyrea: lol |
| 17:28 | * oleonard | was just given a folder containing some printed-out emails from the time when we first switched to Koha |
| 17:28 | wizzyrea | was that cool or traumatic? |
| 17:28 | oleonard | September 2, 2003 was our go-live date |
| 17:28 | magnuse | yay! |
| 17:28 | oleonard | Looking back I think our staff was incredibly patient |
| 17:28 | magnuse | which version would that have been? |
| 17:29 | oleonard | Not-quite-officially 2.0 I think |
| 17:30 | What's just as nostalgic about it is that the emails were exchanged using the custom-built web-based email system I wrote for the library in ColdFusion | |
| 17:31 | rhcl | wow |
| 17:32 | magnuse | heh |
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| 17:37 | oleonard | One of the first issues that came up was why we couldn't initiate the holds process from a patron page as opposed to a biblio page |
| 17:37 | Only took us eight years to get that working :) | |
| 17:38 | librarygeekadam | i need some help with installing koha 3.6.2 on Ubuntu 11.10. I am running the "grep none" command and getting the libyaz3 and libyaz3-dev to show up as none. I fixed this one other time but I don't remember how and I cannot find documentation online. Does anyone have an idea to help me? I appreciate it |
| 17:42 | is any one there? | |
| 17:44 | oleonard | librarygeekadam: Is running the "grep none" command part of some instructions you're following? |
| 17:45 | librarygeekadam | yes |
| 17:45 | oleonard | Which? |
| 17:45 | librarygeekadam | from the http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu |
| 17:45 | the full command is "install_misc/ubuntu-pkg-check.sh | grep none | |
| 17:46 | it is under #5 on the instructions | |
| 17:47 | i have libyaz4 | |
| 17:48 | oleonard | FWIW librarygeekadam I have a working Koha test system in a VM and get the same results |
| 17:48 | magnuse | librarygeekadam: that might not be a problem, see: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]eac3c;hb=HEAD#l88 |
| 17:49 | librarygeekadam | ahhh i see |
| 17:49 | * magnuse | would recommend the INSTALL.* files that come with Koha over anything in the wiki |
| 17:49 | * oleonard | is frustrated that those instructions on the wiki differ from the INSTALL file |
| 17:50 | magnuse | yeah, we should clean that up |
| 17:50 | librarygeekadam | cool...libyaz4 may work and I should just proceed and see what happens |
| 17:50 | i really appreciate the help and advice...have a happy new year! | |
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| 18:00 | cait | back :) |
| 18:00 | magnuse | welcome back cait! |
| 18:01 | cait | thx :) |
| 18:01 | magnuse | i just started http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]s_on_the_wiki_RFC - feel free to shoot it down or add your own great ideas! |
| 18:01 | wizzyrea | magnuse: i have actually been thinking about this quite a lot lately |
| 18:02 | 1. we need to suggest that people use the packages FIRST | |
| 18:02 | always | |
| 18:02 | magnuse | yeah, good one! |
| 18:02 | wizzyrea | 2. we need to get rid of the "standard" install instructions and replace with "packages install" |
| 18:02 | 3. we should include instructions for "dev mode" only | |
| 18:03 | with all of the manual dohickeys | |
| 18:03 | magnuse | except if you need translations, that's not available for the packages yet... |
| 18:03 | wizzyrea | right, so with some caveats |
| 18:03 | but | |
| 18:03 | my thinking is | |
| 18:03 | they need to be all split out | |
| 18:03 | install.DEBIAN.Packages | |
| 18:03 | install.DEBIAN.Dev | |
| 18:04 | install.DEVIAN.Standard | |
| 18:04 | or .Translations | |
| 18:04 | cait | hm |
| 18:04 | wizzyrea | which need their own instructions *anyway* |
| 18:04 | cait | perhaps we need a picture |
| 18:04 | not sure how you call them | |
| 18:04 | wizzyrea | diagram? |
| 18:04 | magnuse | flowchart? |
| 18:04 | cait | like: do you plan to make changes yes - no |
| 18:04 | do you plan ot use other languages yes no | |
| 18:04 | magnuse | ooh, that would be cool! |
| 18:04 | cait | yep |
| 18:04 | flowchart I think | |
| 18:05 | wizzyrea | might be able to build that into the makefile |
| 18:05 | i.e. STOP IT - go and use the packages <instructions> | |
| 18:05 | but of cousre that requires people to READ | |
| 18:05 | magnuse | hehe |
| 18:06 | yeah, and part of the trouble is getting them to the right place | |
| 18:06 | the wiki is nowhere to be seen if you google "install koha"... | |
| 18:06 | so we need to think about some SEO too... | |
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| 18:06 | wizzyrea | yea |
| 18:06 | * wizzyrea | waits for paul_p to say something |
| 18:07 | magnuse | actually http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ is the second hit (at least for me) - that might be an important entrypoint, i guess |
| 18:07 | wizzyrea | yeap. |
| 18:08 | I updated that recently to suggest packages first. | |
| 18:08 | magnuse | yay |
| 18:08 | wizzyrea | I told you I've been thinking about this for a while ;) |
| 18:09 | magnuse | hehe |
| 18:11 | rhcl | http://duckduckgo.com/?q=koha+install |
| 18:12 | does anybody else see the hit "blazing moon"? where'd that come from? | |
| 18:13 | * magnuse | sees it to |
| 18:13 | rhcl | kohakenya? koha on windows? |
| 18:14 | strange return priority. They must be using zebra for indexing | |
| 18:14 | magnuse | heh, galen's backup of the old wiki comes before the new wiki... |
| 18:14 | hehe | |
| 18:14 | oleonard | I've seen that site before rhcl. If I recall correctly it's out of date and not helpful |
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| 18:15 | rhcl | duckduckgo? Oh, that site has been getting some publicity recently. Including suggestions FF might make them the default search engine before they renewed w/ google |
| 18:15 | oleonard | rhcl: I mean the blazingmoon one |
| 18:15 | rhcl | ah |
| 18:16 | Well, I think duckduckgo is in the MS camp, so that's probably why it's showing twisted results, especially if they see my OS id'ing as linux | |
| 18:18 | gmcharlt | magnuse: heh - apparently Google respects The Library Police (tm) ;) |
| 18:18 | cait | lol |
| 18:18 | magnuse | heh |
| 18:19 | * oleonard | bangs his library truncheon against his library body armor menacingly |
| 18:19 | * cait | goes to look up truncheon |
| 18:20 | cait | oh |
| 18:20 | magnuse | yeah, you don't want to mess with the library police |
| 18:21 | jcamins | No indeed! |
| 18:21 | magnuse | http://boston.cbslocal.com/201[…]-from-5-year-old/ |
| 18:21 | paul_p | pfiou... 114 mails in my inbox, most of them needed a lot of time to deal with... |
| 18:21 | hello from an hotel near paris ! | |
| 18:22 | magnuse | charlton, even. coincidence? hardly! |
| 18:22 | bonne nuit, paul_p | |
| 18:22 | paul_p | thx for the happy birthday send by pm by many of you ;-) |
| 18:22 | jcamins | paul_p: happy birthday! |
| 18:23 | paul_p | magnuse, not yet time to sleep ;-) |
| 18:23 | bag | hey paul_p how's the birthday going :D |
| 18:24 | paul_p | bag, well, alone in an hotel is not the funniest place to be ;-) |
| 18:24 | magnuse | ouch |
| 18:24 | bag | nope but I hope it was a good day |
| 18:24 | hey paul_p I just found out that libsysguy also shares today as a birthday with us :d | |
| 18:24 | paul_p | bag, yep. it was the 1st day of a new project, University Paris-sud has choosen Koha. One more university ! |
| 18:24 | nengard | paul_p ALA falls on my bday every year so I'm in a hotel for my bday :( but I do have my ByWater family there with me! |
| 18:25 | paul_p | hey, right ! happy birthday too bad ! |
| 18:25 | hey, right ! happy birthday too bag ! | |
| 18:25 | magnuse | yay for Paris-sud |
| 18:25 | bag | thanks |
| 18:25 | skushner | I used debian.install using dev/git and keep getting 403 error from Apache, and have no idea why? anyone...? |
| 18:25 | paul_p | what's your plan for your birthday bag ? |
| 18:25 | bag | working and then I'm going to grill some steaks and enjoy a cake with Sonja (my wife) |
| 18:26 | jcamins | bag: grilled cake? |
| 18:26 | bag | I've heard of it - but not this time |
| 18:26 | jcamins | :( |
| 18:27 | * jcamins | thinks everyone in places where grills are allowed should have grilled cake. |
| 18:28 | oleonard | Seriously? Grilled cake? |
| 18:28 | * jcamins | shrugs. |
| 18:29 | jcamins | bag has a grill that can grill *anything*. |
| 18:32 | * jcamins | lives in the city, and therefore doesn't have a grill. |
| 18:42 | nengard | can someone test something for me - set your renewalbaseperiod to 'the old due date' and then renew an item - note the number of days the item was renewed for - was it right? did it follow the circ rule and the system preference? I tested this and my checkout period is 10 days but when I renew with this preference it gives the patron 14 days with the item - in fact it gives them 14 days on all renewals even with diff rules in pl |
| 18:42 | ace | |
| 18:42 | it could just be my messy data, so i'd like someone else to give it a whirl | |
| 18:44 | cait | it's old checkout date |
| 18:44 | wron spelling | |
| 18:44 | I think | |
| 18:44 | in the pref description | |
| 18:44 | or it was used to be checkout date and should be | |
| 18:45 | or ignore me on the phone | |
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| 18:49 | Mkman | Hello |
| 18:49 | wahanui | que tal, Mkman |
| 18:49 | Mkman | wahanui: que tal o que lol ? |
| 18:49 | wahanui | mkman: i haven't a clue |
| 18:49 | jcamins | Mkman: wahanui is a bot. |
| 18:50 | Mkman | yeh i kind of guess that from the last message lol |
| 18:54 | i would like to join some development of your software. where can i start? | |
| 18:54 | jcamins | Getting involved? |
| 18:54 | That didn't work. | |
| 18:55 | get involved? | |
| 18:55 | No luck there either. | |
| 18:55 | Get involved is http://koha-community.org/get-involved/ | |
| 18:55 | getting involved is http://koha-community.org/get-involved/ | |
| 18:55 | getting involved? | |
| 18:55 | wahanui | getting involved is probably http://koha-community.org/get-involved/ |
| 18:55 | jcamins | :) |
| 18:56 | Mkman: the IRC channel is a good place to spend time if you'll be developing. | |
| 18:56 | You'll also want to join the koha-devel mailing list. | |
| 18:56 | mailing lists? | |
| 18:56 | wahanui | mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 18:56 | jcamins | ^^ that's why we have wahanui. ;) |
| 18:56 | What are you interested in working on? | |
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| 18:58 | Mkman | jcamins: i am not a expert programmer or in fact an programmer, i am a hobbyst that know some perl i would like to help your project and improve my skills also |
| 18:58 | jcamins | Mkman: we're glad to have you. |
| 18:58 | cait | hi Mkman |
| 18:58 | do you have a library background? :) | |
| 18:58 | jcamins | Depending on what features/bugs you're concerned with, there may be certain people who you should know. |
| 18:59 | magnuse | welcome Mkman! |
| 19:00 | Mkman | cait: no. but i love to read so i spend some hours there and i would love watching Libraries move to opensource tech |
| 19:00 | :) | |
| 19:00 | jcamins,magnuse thanks | |
| 19:00 | cait | :) |
| 19:00 | jcamins | For example, if you are interested in authorities, chances are I'd be able to help. |
| 19:01 | Well, "help" in the loosest sense... I'd be able to make things more complicated by telling you where all the exceptions are. ;) | |
| 19:02 | cait | don't scare him away! |
| 19:02 | Mkman | just give me some work to do, then with some times i decide in which part i am more confortable :) |
| 19:02 | jcamins | Mkman: have you set up Koha on a development system? |
| 19:02 | magnuse | one way to help the project and get to know the code is to "sign off" on patches others have written: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gn_off_on_patches |
| 19:04 | Mkman | jcamins: i am not in my development machine right now. but i will install it once ate home |
| 19:04 | s/ate/at | |
| 19:05 | cait | ifyou are interested in developing |
| 19:05 | it's good to do a dev install from git | |
| 19:06 | Mkman | ok :) |
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| 19:25 | * magnuse | wishes #koha a good time of the day! |
| 19:26 | wizzyrea | bug 7424 |
| 19:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7424 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Koha should have a designated place for custom CSS |
| 19:26 | wizzyrea | just fyi |
| 19:36 | jcamins | How do I mark an attachment as obsolete on bugzilla manually? |
| 19:36 | wizzyrea | click details |
| 19:36 | then edit details (it's kind of hiding at the top) | |
| 19:36 | then there's a checkbox | |
| 19:37 | jcamins | Ah! |
| 19:37 | Thanks. | |
| 19:37 | wizzyrea | yw |
| 19:38 | jcamins | fredericd: around? |
| 19:48 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6030] Allow for html in letters in overdue notices <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6030> |
| 19:57 | Mkman | ok. i will now set up the dev env. |
| 19:58 | jcamins | paul_p: around? |
| 20:01 | cait | bit late perhaps |
| 20:01 | 9pm | |
| 20:01 | jcamins | cait: yes, I was going to tell him to go spend time with his children. |
| 20:01 | cait | jcamins: can i help you? :) |
| 20:01 | jcamins | :P |
| 20:01 | cait | if he is in paris they are probably not around |
| 20:01 | jcamins | Oh, right. Forgot about that. |
| 20:01 | paul_p: never mind. You may carry on. ;) | |
| 20:03 | rhcl | watching the responses to the LL post to the mailing list.... |
| 20:03 | jcamins | cait: I'm considering moving ModZebra out of C4::Biblio into Koha::something. |
| 20:04 | Thoughts? | |
| 20:04 | cait | what does modZebra do? |
| 20:04 | jcamins | My instinct is Koha::Search. |
| 20:04 | cait | and I am only your third... or even forth choice |
| 20:04 | jcamins | cait: no, the question for fredericd was about something else. |
| 20:04 | wizzyrea | I bet you money that libraries will do it privately. |
| 20:04 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I will not take that bet. |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | though it would be cool if people felt like they could speak their minds about such issues |
| 20:05 | jcamins | cait: ModZebra is the function that adds things to zebraqueue. |
| 20:05 | Including authority-type things. | |
| 20:05 | C4::Biblio is a dumb place to handle indexing authorities. | |
| 20:05 | And that is my final word on the subject. | |
| 20:07 | cait: my instinct is Koha::Search. | |
| 20:07 | Wait, I said that. | |
| 20:07 | That deja vu you all felt? | |
| 20:07 | That wasn't deja vu. | |
| 20:07 | That was me repeating myself. | |
| 20:08 | cait | you confuse me |
| 20:08 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7429] CircAutoPrintQuickSlip description has a typo <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7429> |
| 20:08 | cait | I am not sure, but the solr work might confligt |
| 20:08 | conflict even | |
| 20:08 | perhaps something with a zebra in it? | |
| 20:08 | koha:search:zebra? | |
| 20:08 | jcamins | Oh, no, you misunderstand. |
| 20:08 | cait | ok |
| 20:08 | jcamins | The actual *code* goes in Koha::Search::Engine::Zebra. |
| 20:08 | rhcl | Mkman: do you know Ricardo Dias Marques? I think he's in Portugal. |
| 20:08 | jcamins | But somehow that has to get called. |
| 20:09 | Oh, I just found it it in C4::Search::Engine in the solr stuff. | |
| 20:09 | * jcamins | will PODify his new implementation of Koha::Search::Engine. |
| 20:09 | jcamins | It will be glorious. |
| 20:10 | cait | yay! |
| 20:10 | jcamins | Does anyone have any objection to me submitting lots of bugs? |
| 20:10 | cait | jcamins: I am sure it will be :) |
| 20:10 | jcamins | No? |
| 20:10 | wahanui | i heard No was failing unit tests |
| 20:11 | jcamins | Good. |
| 20:11 | cait | nope go ahead |
| 20:11 | you have a bug wrangler's permission ;) | |
| 20:11 | jcamins | :) |
| 20:12 | wizzyrea | it was preference worthy to make searching of extended patron attributes togglable?! |
| 20:12 | * wizzyrea | boggles |
| 20:12 | jcamins | wizzyrea: absolutely. |
| 20:12 | wizzyrea: without a syspref... | |
| 20:12 | uhhh... | |
| 20:13 | * wizzyrea | waits with bated breath |
| 20:13 | jcamins | cait: help me out here? |
| 20:13 | wahanui: why? | |
| 20:13 | wahanui | bugger all, i dunno, jcamins |
| 20:13 | * wizzyrea | taps her toe |
| 20:13 | jcamins | wizzyrea: there's your answer. |
| 20:13 | cait | huh? |
| 20:13 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 20:13 | cait | searching for attributes? |
| 20:13 | I think it's a nice touch | |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | I'm not sure why you would ever want it off, but it is helpful that it tells you what to do if the pref is off and you've selected "searchable" in an attribute |
| 20:14 | I agree, searching attributes is great | |
| 20:14 | but I want to know why we have a knob to turn it off. ;) | |
| 20:14 | cait | perhaps |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea | it's mostly rhetorical :) |
| 20:15 | cait | if you have things in there that might pollute your search results |
| 20:15 | nengard | cause everytime someone adds something without an off seitch someone asks for an off switch :) |
| 20:15 | cait | like... other names? |
| 20:15 | or what nengard said :) | |
| 20:15 | nengard | heh |
| 20:16 | wizzyrea | still... that? |
| 20:16 | i'll be boggling about it for a while. | |
| 20:16 | (but it's fine that it's togglable, I just don't understand the necessity of it) | |
| 20:16 | (besides "someone said they wanted an off switch) | |
| 20:16 | (users don't always know best) | |
| 20:17 | (but the software is always for the users - so there's that) | |
| 20:19 | sekjal | the off-switch is on the preference itself; no global level is required |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | i've read that several times now, and i still don't grasp what you're getting at |
| 20:20 | sorry >.< | |
| 20:22 | sekjal | since each extended patron preference can be either made searchable or not, if the library doesn't want to search on any extended attributes, they can just make them all not searchable |
| 20:22 | ... or maybe I'm misunderstanding | |
| 20:22 | wizzyrea | oh, right |
| 20:22 | nope, i get that :) | |
| 20:23 | I understand if you went through and added a bunch of attributes, made them all searchable, then you wanted to turn them off | |
| 20:23 | that would be the way | |
| 20:23 | better than going through a whole list | |
| 20:24 | it's really not an issue worth discussing, it's in, it works fine | |
| 20:24 | I just don't understand (and it's not important that I do) why it's even necessary. | |
| 20:24 | sekjal | it's not |
| 20:24 | I didn't even know such a preference was in there now | |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | ha! |
| 20:25 | I was looking at 7001 and one of the things was to make a patron with a borrower attribute, that's why I was poking at that | |
| 20:25 | "seriously? I have to turn that on?" | |
| 20:25 | * jcamins | submit gratuitous bugs in an effort to move along the solr integration task. |
| 20:25 | wizzyrea | keke |
| 20:26 | jcamins | Does anyone disagree with my assertion that if you change indexing engines, it would be acceptable to require you to restart your web browser? |
| 20:26 | oleonard | Why? |
| 20:26 | jcamins | Not browser. |
| 20:26 | Server. | |
| 20:26 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 20:26 | jcamins | I mean, Apache. |
| 20:27 | 'Cause that's the way it works with BibLibre's code now, and I don't want to try and find a workaround. | |
| 20:27 | At least, if you're running with mod_perl. | |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea | that's what, a 3-5 second downtime? |
| 20:27 | jcamins | Right now it works fine 'cause we use CGI. |
| 20:27 | Quarter second? | |
| 20:28 | wizzyrea | depends on how busy the server is I guess |
| 20:28 | but | |
| 20:28 | jcamins | graceful will do it. |
| 20:28 | wizzyrea | it's not something you do all the time |
| 20:28 | jcamins | Right. |
| 20:28 | wizzyrea | I don't see a problem with it really, lots of things make you restart apache. |
| 20:28 | jcamins | Also, if you're switching back and forth between solr and Zebra while your server is busy, you deserve it to be a mess. |
| 20:29 | Excellent. | |
| 20:38 | gmcharlt | jcamins: and if one were *really* worried about it, one could always use two web servers and a load balancer |
| 20:38 | jcamins | gmcharlt: true. |
| 20:39 | And, my point that anyone who changes indexing engines on a production server during a busy period is probably an idiot remains unchallenged. ;) | |
| 20:39 | gmcharlt | some people say "idiot", some people say "one who likes to live dangerously" ;) |
| 20:40 | jcamins | gmcharlt: would _you_ do that? |
| 20:40 | gmcharlt | jcamins: I try to lead as boring an existence at work as I can manage |
| 20:40 | jcamins | gmcharlt: very wise. |
| 20:41 | cait | good night all |
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| 20:48 | maximep | we seem to have a badly formed MARC record in our db that prevent rebuild_zebra from finishing it's job |
| 20:48 | what would be the best way to find that record | |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 20:52 | maximep | log from rebuild_zebra |
| 20:52 | 13:12:39-09/01 zebraidx(14745) 20d7d7fc8c7f0000 [log] Records: 34000 i/u/d 34000/0/0 | |
| 20:52 | 13:12:41-09/01 zebraidx(14745) 20d7d7fc8c7f0000 [log] MARC: Bad directory | |
| 20:52 | 13:12:41-09/01 zebraidx(14745) 20d7d7fc8c7f0000 [warn] MARC: Bad offsets in data. Skipping rest | |
| 20:52 | I know it'S after 34000 -_- | |
| 20:52 | found http://lists.indexdata.dk/pipe[…]March/002132.html | |
| 20:53 | but really have to idea of how to test the marc of everything to find the bad one :/ | |
| 20:54 | wizzyrea | hmm does it do the indexing in biblionumber order? |
| 20:54 | jcamins | wizzyrea: it does. |
| 20:54 | wizzyrea | maybe look for biblionumber 34000? |
| 20:54 | jcamins | But it probably won't be that biblionumber. |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | hm |
| 20:55 | jcamins | It's going to be after the 34000*th* record. |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | somewhere around there though? |
| 20:55 | what's the increment of the count? | |
| 20:55 | 1000? | |
| 20:55 | 100? | |
| 20:55 | * wizzyrea | honestly doesn't know |
| 20:56 | wouldn't mind knowing | |
| 20:56 | jcamins | 100 by default, I think. |
| 20:56 | maximep | would touchallbiblios give an error ? |
| 20:56 | 1000 | |
| 20:56 | jcamins | maximep: I think it would, yes. |
| 20:57 | Mkman | a question. where can i get zebra? |
| 20:57 | paul_p | maximep, an option is to add a LIMIT 33800,34900 to the rebuild_zebra.pl SELECT marcxml FROM biblioitems |
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| 20:57 | jcamins | Mkman: install it using apt-get. |
| 20:58 | Mkman: if you follow the instructions in INSTALL.debian, that'll take you through the entire process. | |
| 20:58 | Mkman | jcamins: i am on Gentoo Linux not a debian based system |
| 20:58 | jcamins | Mkman: oh. In that case your first development project will be figuring out how to install Koha. ;) |
| 20:58 | Zebra can be found at http://www.indexdata.com/zebra | |
| 20:59 | Mkman | eheh no problem |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | zebra is <reply> can be found at http://www.indexdata.com/zebra |
| 20:59 | famous last words. | |
| 20:59 | jcamins | Argle blargle! |
| 20:59 | maximep | ok thanks, will try a touchallbiblios and if not will try the LIMIT option |
| 20:59 | jcamins | I hate circular dependencies! |
| 21:00 | Logically, C4::Context really ought to offer a C4::Context->search_engine just like C4::Context->dbh. | |
| 21:00 | But, mightn't Koha::Search::Engine require C4::Context? You bet! | |
| 21:00 | * jcamins | grumbles. |
| 21:04 | jcamins | A lot. |
| 21:06 | * jcamins | has successfully scared everyone away. |
| 21:08 | Mkman | lol |
| 21:13 | oleonard | Bye all |
| 21:13 | wizzyrea | bhe |
| 21:13 | bye | |
| 21:13 | even. | |
| 21:13 | jcamins | Bye. |
| 21:13 | Grr. This is very puzzling. | |
| 21:20 | Never mind. | |
| 21:20 | Figured it out. | |
| 21:31 | Still running into circular dependency issues. | |
| 21:31 | Why does C4::Search depend on C4::Biblio? | |
| 21:32 | GetMarcFromKohaField and GetBiblioData, apparently. | |
| 21:33 | No, GetMarcFromKohaField and GetFrameworkCode. | |
| 21:39 | Not sure I see why that first one should be in C4::Biblio, as an aside. | |
| 21:46 | sekjal | jcamins: probably because it is related to MARC mappings... but yes, it isn't entirely appropriate there |
| 21:49 | jcamins | sekjal: I wrote a lovely Koha::Search::AddToIndexQueue method. |
| 21:50 | Unfortunately, using it is proving harder than anticipated. | |
| 22:24 | maximep | wow, all that to find out that just passing -x to rebuild_zebra fixes the problem. Probably the only notice we have with > 99999 chars :/ |
| 22:24 | what a ridiculous day | |
| 22:24 | jcamins | maximep: sorry, I should've asked about that first! |
| 22:25 | maximep: if it makes you feel any better, the last three days have been like this for me. | |
| 22:25 | maximep | yeah, forgot about -x |
| 22:25 | saw u mention it several time before in this channel | |
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| 22:25 | maximep | well, spend most of the day tracking half a day of lost data from last month |
| 22:25 | and looking at how to restore it | |
| 22:25 | not fun :/ | |
| 22:26 | jcamins | Ugh. |
| 22:27 | Mkman | good night |
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| 22:34 | maximep | is -x really slower ? Do you know why it isn't the default ? |
| 22:35 | blahdeblah | Hi. I'm trying to install Koha according to the instructions at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze. I run a dedicated database server on another system, and it's not mentioned in the instructions what permissions are necessary on the database server to allow koha-create to do its work successfully. Can anyone point me to the appropriate info? |
| 22:36 | maximep | wouldnt it just ask for the right permissions if it doesn't have them ? |
| 22:37 | wizzyrea | ping eythian |
| 22:38 | see blahdeblah's question? Can the packages do that yet? | |
| 22:38 | jcamins | eythian: you should use the request-db and populate-db options. |
| 22:38 | Wait. | |
| 22:38 | blahdeblah: that was for you. | |
| 22:39 | request-db will print a message telling you exactly what you need to set, and populate-db will fill it in. | |
| 22:39 | See man koha-create | |
| 22:40 | sekjal | maximep: not sure why -x isn't standard... perhaps because ISO-2709 came first? |
| 22:40 | or perhaps so -a doesn't require some kind of hop-step | |
| 22:40 | since it's not compatible with -x | |
| 22:41 | maximep | it isn't ? |
| 22:41 | so i have to rebuild -b and -a in 2 commands ? | |
| 22:41 | sekjal | maximep: yes |
| 22:42 | -b -x and -a separately | |
| 22:42 | or -b -a, but no -x | |
| 22:42 | maximep | ok, thx |
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| 23:00 | blahdeblah | jcamins: Thanks - checking them out now |
| 23:01 | I assume i still need to create /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf as per the wiki? | |
| 23:01 | I was a bit concerned that DEFAULTSQL references a non-existent file. Is this an issue? There's nothing describing DEFAULTSQL in the wiki. | |
| 23:02 | jcamins | blahdeblah: yes, you should. |
| 23:03 | blahdeblah: you don't need DEFAULTSQL. | |
| 23:03 | That's for if you want it to load a prepopulated database. | |
| 23:03 | blahdeblah | so just DOMAIN and INTRA* |
| 23:03 | ? | |
| 23:03 | jcamins | I think there's a way to specify database server, too... |
| 23:03 | DBSERVER? | |
| 23:03 | man kohacreate | |
| 23:03 | man koha-create, rather | |
| 23:08 | blahdeblah | According to the wiki page, db server is specified in /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf |
| 23:08 | That's where i put it, and it seems to work | |
| 23:08 | jcamins | Ah, right. |
| 23:08 | Sorry. | |
| 23:09 | * jcamins | set it up once ages ago, and promptly forgot how. ;) |
| 23:09 | blahdeblah | Now i get the error "User test-koha already exists." when i run "koha-create --request-db test", presumably because i've already run it before. "koha-remove test" does not fix this. |
| 23:09 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 23:09 | I fixed that bug, but I guess it was after the version that you're using was released. | |
| 23:09 | What version are you on? | |
| 23:10 | blahdeblah | latest |
| 23:10 | just downloaded this morning | |
| 23:10 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 23:10 | Guess my fix hasn't made it in yet. | |
| 23:10 | blahdeblah | Unless, of course, it hasn't made it into the Debian repo. |
| 23:10 | jcamins | Right, that's probably what it is. |
| 23:11 | blahdeblah | Is there a way i can manually remove the user? |
| 23:11 | jcamins | Suggestion: wget -O ~/koha-remov "http://git.koha-community.org/[…]31a3e9465;hb=HEAD" |
| 23:11 | Uh, spell koha-remove right. | |
| 23:11 | Then, sudo ~/koha-remove test | |
| 23:11 | chmod +x ~/koha-remove | |
| 23:12 | Then run it. | |
| 23:12 | Sorry. | |
| 23:12 | Long day. | |
| 23:13 | blahdeblah | No joy |
| 23:14 | http://pastebin.com/kkureh14 | |
| 23:16 | jcamins | Hrm. |
| 23:16 | deluser test-koha | |
| 23:16 | I could've sworn I fixed that bug, but I guess not. | |
| 23:16 | blahdeblah | I moved the mysql stuff to the end of the script and it worked enough to get me a little further |
| 23:17 | The problem is that the instructions on using a separate db server (in the wiki and the README) don't make it clear what's different in that instance. When i'm done here i'll update the wiki. | |
| 23:19 | jcamins | Good idea. I don't recall how I did it. |
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| 23:26 | libsysguy | does anybody know how to view the table cascades in schemaspy? |
| 23:26 | * jcamins | does not. |
| 23:26 | jcamins | libsysguy: aren't you on vacation? |
| 23:26 | libsysguy: happy birthday. | |
| 23:26 | libsysguy | haha hey thanks jcamins |
| 23:26 | I wish i was on vacation | |
| 23:27 | * libsysguy | has had a rough monday |
| 23:27 | libsysguy | i think if i delete from biblio it should get biblioitems and items |
| 23:27 | maybe not items | |
| 23:27 | ... | |
| 23:27 | * jcamins | has no idea. |
| 23:27 | jcamins | What are you doing? |
| 23:28 | libsysguy | i have a list of biblionumbers that i need to delete |
| 23:28 | we are re-importing our ebooks with better records and since you can't update a bib we just delete them and reimport | |
| 23:29 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 23:29 | That makes sense. | |
| 23:30 | libsysguy | actaully I was just really angry from all the stuff I had to do today and I was considering deleting the catalog one record at a time :p |
| 23:30 | jcamins | lol |
| 23:30 | ModZebrations? | |
| 23:30 | WTF? | |
| 23:30 | libsysguy | 0_0 |
| 23:31 | jcamins | That is the name of a method. |
| 23:31 | libsysguy | sounds like some one was...zebranated |
| 23:31 | where is lame pun coon when you need him | |
| 23:34 | jcamins | I have absolutely no idea what it could be intended for. |
| 23:34 | I shall back away slowly. | |
| 23:37 | libsysguy | jcamins http://www.quickmeme.com/Lame-Pun-Coon/ |
| 23:39 | jcamins | libsysguy: I was talking about the ModZebrations method. |
| 23:40 | libsysguy | haha I seriously thought you were afraid of the racoon :p |
| 23:40 | but yes that method | |
| 23:40 | run away | |
| 23:41 | jcamins | Yes! Another absurd amount of code written by yours truly. |
| 23:43 | libsysguy | you know, I have really grown to appreciate open source software after working with ILLiad and windows all day today |
| 23:43 | if I don't like it, I change it | |
| 23:43 | that is truely magical | |
| 23:44 | jcamins | :) |
| 23:46 | * jcamins | attaches a massive patch making a very small change to bug 7430. |
| 23:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7430 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , ModZebra should not be in C4::Biblio |
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