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| 01:51 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5786] Move AllowOnShelfHolds system preference to the Circulation Matrix <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5786> |
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| 02:56 | Brooke | o/ |
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| 03:56 | AmitG | heya bag :D |
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| 04:28 | bag | heya AmitG |
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| 04:44 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 04:44 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 5.9°C (5:40 AM CET on January 05, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Falling). |
| 04:45 | bag | @wunder 93109 |
| 04:45 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 11.5°C (8:45 PM PST on January 04, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Rising). |
| 04:45 | bag | @wunder current location |
| 04:45 | huginn | bag: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 04:45 | bag | bummer |
| 04:45 | cait | lol |
| 04:45 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 04:45 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (5:00 PM NZDT on January 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:48 | rangi | my stop bbiab |
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| 04:55 | bag | hi there kmkale |
| 04:55 | :) | |
| 04:56 | hey cait - what's happening | |
| 04:57 | I think I catch you as cait more often than I talk with you as kf | |
| 04:57 | cait | hm might be true |
| 04:57 | but why is it worrying you? :) | |
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| 05:33 | AmitG | heya cait and kmkale |
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| 07:29 | rangi | http://search.cpan.org/~scott/[…]-XSLT-1.2/XSLT.pm |
| 07:37 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 07:37 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.7°C (8:34 AM CET on January 05, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.76 in 1007.7 hPa (Falling). |
| 07:42 | cait | bbiab |
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| 07:51 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:53 | paul_p | hello world |
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| 07:58 | julian_m | hello |
| 08:01 | mle | morning |
| 08:01 | matts | hi ! |
| 08:01 | mle | : ) |
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| 08:03 | francharb | hello |
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| 08:11 | asaurat | hi |
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| 08:18 | kf | back |
| 08:21 | sophie_m | hello #koha |
| 08:24 | mbalmer | howdy! |
| 08:27 | rangi | http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]3daf8889111d4db62 |
| 08:29 | kmkale | Namaskaar #koha |
| 08:30 | @quote random | |
| 08:30 | huginn | kmkale: Quote #89: "<owen> We defy stereotypes: We're not afraid of commitment!" (added by jwagner at 04:32 PM, August 19, 2010) |
| 08:31 | kf | hi kmkale :) |
| 08:34 | kmkale | Namaste kf :) |
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| 08:55 | mib_45i41s | Would anyone know why all email overdue notices might show "failed" for all users since upgrading to 3.6.0? Local/remote mail system is fine. |
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| 10:50 | mib_45i41s | Would anyone know why all email overdue notices might show "failed" for all users since upgrading to 3.6.0? Local/remote mail system is fine. |
| 11:07 | kf | check your setting for autoemailsomething |
| 11:07 | it's probably set to the wrong value and finding now emailaddress | |
| 11:12 | mib_45i41s | kf: "autoemailsomething" ? is that a syspref? |
| 11:13 | kf | yes |
| 11:13 | sorry | |
| 11:13 | will look the name up | |
| 11:13 | it's the first thing I would check | |
| 11:13 | AutoEmailPrimaryAddress | |
| 11:13 | it's not only used for newly created patrons, the display and description are wrong here | |
| 11:13 | it's used for mails in general | |
| 11:14 | mib_45i41s | OK. Would that change from 3.4 to 3.6? in the upgrade? |
| 11:14 | kf | I woule check it |
| 11:14 | would check it | |
| 11:14 | it can be another problem that keeps your mails from not sending out | |
| 11:14 | but that the program can not find a valid email address could be one | |
| 11:15 | there can also be another reason for your problem - but it's the only idea I can provide | |
| 11:16 | mib_45i41s | kf: what should that syspref be set to? |
| 11:17 | kf | where do you store the email address? |
| 11:17 | and the overdues are the only maisl not being sent out? | |
| 11:17 | mib_45i41s | email address will be in the borrower record? |
| 11:18 | as far as I know the email overdues are the only thing not sending. The local mail system can send external mail fine | |
| 11:18 | * paul_p | head for lunch. See you later ! |
| 11:20 | kf | mib_45i41s: other mails like item due reminders |
| 11:20 | mib_45i41s: what is your setting for the syspref? and yes, email addresses are stored in the patron records - but there are different fields | |
| 11:20 | mib_45i41s: perhaps try setting the syspref to 'first valid' | |
| 11:21 | mib_45i41s | OK, thanks. I will try. |
| 11:21 | kf | perhaps it helps |
| 11:24 | mib_45i41s | kf: The description of that syspref says it is related to "emailing newly created patrons".....could that effect overdues? |
| 11:24 | kf | it does |
| 11:24 | the description is wrong | |
| 11:24 | we fixed that | |
| 11:24 | but will be in a later version | |
| 11:25 | mib_45i41s | Ah - cool. thanks......I will try it out |
| 11:25 | kf | it started being used for that and is now being used for pretty much all notices |
| 11:25 | so if it was set to alternate and you have your email addresses in the first email field - it wouldn't work | |
| 11:32 | mib_45i41s | kf: sorry, one last question. Should I chang it to "Send" or "Don't Send" to "First Valid"? |
| 11:32 | I know that sounds like a silly question! | |
| 11:53 | kf | no it doesn't |
| 11:54 | mib_45i41s: sorry, got distracted | |
| 11:54 | mib_45i41s: the 2 prefs are independent - if you want to send out notices for newly created accounts - then set it to 'Send' - or leave it off | |
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| 12:06 | AmitG | heya kf :D |
| 12:19 | kf | hi AmitG |
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| 12:53 | druthb | o/ |
| 12:59 | * druthb | wonders when other #koha-ites will jump on http://ask.slashdot.org/story/[…]ibrary-automation |
| 13:00 | druthb | g'morning, jcamins |
| 13:00 | jcamins | I don't have a Slashdot account. |
| 13:00 | Good morning. | |
| 13:02 | nengard | jcamins me either |
| 13:02 | but i was able to comment | |
| 13:02 | i updated the url | |
| 13:03 | kf thanks for updating my authority!!! | |
| 13:03 | I guess the only thing that's not right is that I'm not a linguist :) | |
| 13:04 | jcamins | Cool! The new VirtualBox includes the option to clone VMs! |
| 13:06 | kf | nengard: we checked that |
| 13:06 | nengard: it's because that is linked to literary studies | |
| 13:06 | so.. formally it's right | |
| 13:06 | nengard | oh! got it |
| 13:06 | kf | it's your fault I learned something about authorities today :) |
| 13:07 | jcamins | What's going on with authorities? :) |
| 13:10 | Apparently cloning VMs is really slow. | |
| 13:12 | nengard | jcamins LOC won't update my authority |
| 13:12 | jcamins | nengard: and kf managed to update it? |
| 13:12 | How on earth did she do that? | |
| 13:12 | LC doesn't update authorities. | |
| 13:12 | kf | jcamins: nope, only updated the pnd record :) |
| 13:13 | http://pollux.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1[…]45400X&INDEXSET=1 | |
| 13:13 | or my coworker did after I asked her nicely :) | |
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| 13:13 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 13:14 | nengard: the only way you're going to get your record updated is if you change your name, or get a NACO library to catalog something that you wrote under a different name. | |
| 13:16 | kf | NACO? |
| 13:16 | * oleonard | is still boggling at the fact that nengard can't get her authority record updated |
| 13:17 | jcamins | Name Authority Cooperative O-something. |
| 13:17 | oleonard | Ocelot |
| 13:17 | nengard | I don't want my name changed |
| 13:18 | I want the details on my record changed | |
| 13:18 | jcamins | nengard: right, the only thing you can do is change your name. |
| 13:18 | kf | lol |
| 13:18 | are you suggesting she should ge a divorce? | |
| 13:18 | nengard | and i don't mind the LOC won't do that - i know it's a lot of work - but they should provide a tool for other catalogers to do it and make it official |
| 13:18 | jcamins | I'm not even sure if they'll change the details then. |
| 13:18 | kf | hm |
| 13:18 | or a pseudonym | |
| 13:18 | artist's name | |
| 13:18 | ... | |
| 13:18 | jcamins | Yeah, pseudonym would work too. |
| 13:18 | * jcamins | would probably go with the pseudonym option. |
| 13:19 | kf | oh |
| 13:19 | hmm | |
| 13:19 | jcamins | Less expensive. Legally changing your name costs money, and nengard would have to do it twice. |
| 13:20 | nengard | that's insane, i have built brand recognition with my name, i'm not gonna change it cause LOC has stupid rules |
| 13:20 | libraries are just so damn set in their ways | |
| 13:20 | what makes an LOC catalogers more skilled than me? | |
| 13:21 | why can't i update my own authority record | |
| 13:21 | * druthb | knows one NACO librarian, and he's crazy as a pet raccoon. |
| 13:22 | jcamins | You could see if you can find a sympathetic NACO coordinator, though I don't think I've heard of them doing that sort of update either. |
| 13:22 | nengard: you could collaborate with bengard on a library-themed tabletop RPG, and use a pseudonym. | |
| 13:23 | nengard | heh |
| 13:24 | kf | lol |
| 13:24 | I think she should just keep bombing them with mails | |
| 13:24 | ... | |
| 13:24 | nengard | okay - on another note - ideas on how to get a report of bib records that have had their last item deleted |
| 13:25 | jcamins | Nah, I'm voting for using a pseudonym. |
| 13:25 | nengard | not gonna happen |
| 13:25 | jcamins | Use it for something only tangentially related. |
| 13:25 | oleonard | I thought that one was in the SQL library... bibs without items? |
| 13:25 | jcamins | Either that or find something that you wrote before you changed your name to Engard. |
| 13:29 | nengard | oleonard, we don't want a bib with no items |
| 13:29 | cause you can add a bib with no items | |
| 13:29 | we want a bib with deleted items | |
| 13:29 | that has no items attached | |
| 13:29 | jcamins | deleted_items? |
| 13:30 | oleonard | bibs with no items where biblionumber in deleted_items? |
| 13:30 | kf | ok |
| 13:30 | than do that report | |
| 13:30 | for iwth no items | |
| 13:30 | and add a clause | |
| 13:30 | ... ok | |
| 13:30 | what oleonard said :) | |
| 13:30 | should read all first | |
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| 13:41 | pastebot | "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "report of bibs where last item deleted" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/186 |
| 13:41 | nengard | i thnk this will do the trick |
| 13:42 | wait | |
| 13:42 | that should be IN not NOT IN | |
| 13:43 | kf oleonard does that look right | |
| 13:45 | oleonard | Looks to me like it's working correctly |
| 13:46 | nengard | if you change NOT IN to IN ? right? |
| 13:46 | brain not woking yet :) | |
| 13:46 | oleonard | Yes, that's what I tried. |
| 13:49 | nengard | k |
| 13:49 | thanks! | |
| 13:51 | oleonard | I really wish reports output would automatically link bib numbers (and borrowernumber, and itemnumber, etc) |
| 13:53 | jcamins | oleonard: that could be a useful feature. |
| 13:55 | oleonard | nengard++ # for very useful report |
| 13:55 | Now we need a report to show who deleted that last item and forgot to delete the record ;) | |
| 13:58 | Oh, you know what we need? A way to build a report and then be able to grant permission for that report to those without reports permission | |
| 13:58 | So build a circ-related report and then say, "Offer a link to this report to staff with circ permission" | |
| 13:59 | and then it shows up on circ-home | |
| 13:59 | nengard | agreed |
| 13:59 | the action_logs table tracks who did what when - but it doesn't store the query anymore | |
| 13:59 | makes it less useful in my opinion | |
| 14:02 | oleonard | whatever I was supposed to be doing this morning, now I'm deleting records with no items... |
| 14:03 | I'll bet we've got a lot that won't show up because deleteditems was broken for a while wasn't it? | |
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| 14:04 | * oleonard | is too loose with his Ctrl-W's |
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| 14:18 | nengard | has anyone ever tested and confirmed the warning on the cataloguinglog preference? it says that its slows things down cause it tracks everytime the barcode is scanned - is that right? is the warning valid? |
| 14:19 | jcamins | nengard: it is not correct. |
| 14:19 | nengard: at least, so far as I know. | |
| 14:19 | nengard | that's what i thought!!! |
| 14:19 | and thank you jcamins | |
| 14:19 | i've asked this at least once a year for the lat 4 years! | |
| 14:19 | last | |
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| 14:22 | nengard | bug 7403 submitted |
| 14:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7403 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , CataloguingLog warning incorrect |
| 14:22 | nengard | someone can correct it if we're wrong - otherwise i can update the preference text easily enough |
| 14:23 | jcamins | Fastest way to remove all auths and bibs? TRUNCATE biblio; TRUNCATE items; TRUNCATE auth_header; ? |
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| 14:25 | jcamins | In other news, updating from 3.2.2 to master takes a long time. |
| 14:29 | sekjal | nengard: I believe it's been incorrect since 3.4 was released, and items were removed from the biblio. |
| 14:29 | tcohen | jcamins: AddIssue calls ModItem which happens to do some logging |
| 14:29 | jcamins | nengard: I stand corrected. |
| 14:30 | nengard | so it is incorrect now |
| 14:30 | but wasn't before | |
| 14:30 | jcamins | tcohen: does it actually log anything? 3.6, it seems to me, is not logging issues in the cataloguing log. |
| 14:31 | jwagner | jcamins, you forgot biblioitems from your truncate list. Also need to check for any issues or reserves. |
| 14:32 | tcohen | jcamins, i might be wrong, but I just checked that AddIssue calls ModItem |
| 14:32 | which happens to have : | |
| 14:32 | logaction("CATALOGUING", "MODIFY", $itemnumber, Dumper($item)) if C4::Context->preference("CataloguingLog"); | |
| 14:32 | inside | |
| 14:32 | i think it is not a problem any more, thou | |
| 14:33 | because we don't do a ModBiblio, which was reallly expensive | |
| 14:33 | jcamins | jwagner: thanks. |
| 14:33 | nengard: the warning may still be correct, then. | |
| 14:33 | nengard: I've never noticed any particular performance issues, though. | |
| 14:33 | tcohen | (because we log the whole marc there) |
| 14:39 | nengard | yes, i just tested and when i checked an item out it added two lines to the cataloging log |
| 14:39 | but does it actually slow things down? | |
| 14:40 | sekjal | nengard: I don't think it's so much an issue of slowing down transactions, as storing TONS of data |
| 14:40 | so accessing the log table becomes slow | |
| 14:40 | but I don't believe it would affect circ transactions or normal response time | |
| 14:40 | nengard | libraries might be okay with that - whereas they won't be okay with things slowing down checkouts and such |
| 14:40 | tcohen | nengard, prior to removing items from marc/marcxml every time an item was borrowed |
| 14:41 | the biblio itself was modified | |
| 14:41 | (the marc/marcxml stuff) | |
| 14:41 | and the change was then logged | |
| 14:41 | nengard | it's nice to see that i just had to report a bug to get an answer to my question - like i said i've been asking about this for the manual for 4 years now |
| 14:41 | tcohen | that was an expensive task, as the marc itself is saved in the log |
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| 15:03 | vfernandes | hi koha community :) |
| 15:05 | * mle | waves |
| 15:07 | vfernandes | i'm having a little problem that someone can help me... i'm using koha 3.2.6 with UNIMARC. my problem is that searching for standard number isn't working |
| 15:14 | kf | hi mle and vfernandes |
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| 15:34 | libsysguy | o/ |
| 15:34 | kf you around? | |
| 15:35 | kf | kind of |
| 15:36 | libsysguy | if you have time...the error that we were talking about the other day...with the unexpected end of input...I was wondering why you thought it would only occur on patrons with holds |
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| 15:50 | libsysguy | kf I think it was just a merge error...i just deleted that file and copy/pasta from master and it works |
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| 15:59 | kf | libsysguy: cool you were able to solve it |
| 15:59 | I thought it might be related to holds, because the error pointed to a line where holds were dealt with for display | |
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| 16:19 | Oak | kf, time to go home no? |
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| 16:23 | kf | thre was heavy rain |
| 16:24 | but think it's getting better :) | |
| 16:24 | Oak | need umbrella? |
| 16:24 | i don't have it | |
| 16:24 | but i know someone who does. | |
| 16:24 | * jwagner | hands kf an umbrella and raincoat |
| 16:25 | * Oak | hands kf a hot cup of coffee |
| 16:25 | Oak | i win |
| 16:26 | kf | heh |
| 16:26 | umbrella would be a bad plan - too much wind | |
| 16:27 | Oak | hmm |
| 16:28 | do you have a rain coat with you? | |
| 16:28 | kf | yep |
| 16:28 | Oak | good |
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| 16:29 | Oak | did you bring your laptop to work? |
| 16:30 | @later tell Brooke thank you thank you! :-) | |
| 16:30 | huginn | Oak: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:31 | * Oak | goes to interview people in the street |
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| 16:50 | reiveune | bye |
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| 17:03 | magnus_afk | Oak |
| 17:03 | kia ora #koha | |
| 17:03 | Oak | magnus |
| 17:04 | :) | |
| 17:04 | magnus_afk | yay! |
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| 17:08 | Oak | time to sleep... later \o |
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| 17:14 | rangi | morning |
| 17:14 | @wunder nzwn | |
| 17:14 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (6:00 AM NZDT on January 06, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:15 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 17:15 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 2.0°C (6:00 PM CET on January 05, 2012). Conditions: Light Thunderstorm. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.60 in 1002 hPa (Rising). |
| 17:15 | kf | light thunderstorm... interesting |
| 17:15 | magnus_afk | hiya rangi and kf |
| 17:15 | kf | hi magnus_afk :) |
| 17:16 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 17:16 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -5.0°C (5:50 PM CET on January 05, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 29.06 in 984 hPa (Rising). |
| 17:20 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 17:20 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 3.0°C (12:20 PM EST on January 05, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Falling). |
| 17:20 | jcamins | @wunder 11375 |
| 17:20 | huginn | jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 2.2°C (11:48 AM EST on January 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa. |
| 17:20 | oleonard | @wunder My office |
| 17:20 | huginn | oleonard: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 17:21 | * oleonard | shivers |
| 17:29 | rangi | ok |
| 17:30 | how would you describe the koha project in one short sentence ... (it's to make the academy kids want to work on koha for their project week) | |
| 17:31 | oleonard | "Easy--just a big database!" |
| 17:31 | rangi | lol |
| 17:31 | magnuse | just a database, with crazy rules |
| 17:31 | rangi | i thought 123 might work |
| 17:31 | @quote get 123 | |
| 17:31 | huginn | rangi: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 17:32 | kf | that's good too :) |
| 17:33 | magnuse | yeah 123++ |
| 17:35 | oleonard | I'm not good at pithy one-liners, but Koha is a great project to work on because it encompasses so many different potential interests: application design, user interface design, data processing, reports |
| 17:37 | Koha presents all the same challenges that any web-based software might, with the added complexity of rule #123 | |
| 17:38 | rangi | oh |
| 17:38 | that is actually pretty good! | |
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| 18:06 | seneca | Puzzle: I upgraded from Debian lenny to squeeze yesterday, so that I could avoid the lenny EOL next month and install the liblocale package with the Currency info. |
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| 18:07 | seneca | Needed that package so that I could run the koha overdue notices script |
| 18:07 | Today, after I've installed the liblocale package, I'm getting another error when running the overdue notice script: | |
| 18:08 | "unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml" | |
| 18:08 | kf | did you export the koha variables? |
| 18:08 | seneca | though the ENV variable is set correctly (I think) |
| 18:08 | edveal joined #koha | |
| 18:08 | kf | both? |
| 18:08 | wahanui | both is best |
| 18:08 | magnuse | wahanui: forget both |
| 18:08 | wahanui | magnuse: I forgot both |
| 18:08 | seneca | yeah, both |
| 18:09 | kf | hm |
| 18:10 | edveal | Question for the jquery folks gurus out there. How can I hide a column within the Holds Que report? If it is even possible. |
| 18:11 | kf | it's possible but not sure there is a snippet for that already |
| 18:11 | magnuse | seneca: do "echo $KOHA_CONF" and check that what you get matches the location of the file |
| 18:11 | kf | and have to leave - bbiab |
| 18:11 | sekjal | edveal: yes, it can be done. the holdqueue report has classes for each column |
| 18:11 | so just hide the class, and you're good | |
| 18:12 | edveal | Great |
| 18:12 | seneca | magnuse, yes, KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB are both set |
| 18:13 | perms are 644 | |
| 18:13 | same as they have been... | |
| 18:13 | kf left #koha | |
| 18:14 | magnuse | seneca: and you are definitely sure the file is where KOHA_CONF says it should be? |
| 18:14 | seneca | yeah |
| 18:15 | that's how I just figured out the perms | |
| 18:15 | magnuse | hehe, should have seen that coming ;-) |
| 18:15 | seneca | hehe |
| 18:15 | Though... | |
| 18:15 | magnuse | not sure what could cause the error then... |
| 18:15 | seneca | here's the full error message: |
| 18:15 | unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /etc/perl/C4/Context.pm line 312. | |
| 18:17 | Is there a problem that the error is coming from the system Context.pm and not the Koha version (in kohaclone)? | |
| 18:18 | magnuse | might be, but that's beyond me, i fear - maybe rangi or sekjal would know... |
| 18:18 | seneca | Is squeeze still on Perl 5? |
| 18:18 | maybe that ENV needs to be changed... | |
| 18:18 | hmm, thanks :) | |
| 18:20 | sekjal | seneca: sounds like you need do your "export KOHA_CONF=/home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml" command |
| 18:20 | note that my path is for a git install using the default directories | |
| 18:20 | replace with what works for you | |
| 18:21 | ... | |
| 18:21 | reading further | |
| 18:21 | seneca | heh |
| 18:21 | sekjal | seeing C4/Context.pm in etc/perl is... extremely weird |
| 18:21 | what kind of install did you do? | |
| 18:21 | seneca | of what, koha? It started life as a pre-made VM |
| 18:22 | but Koha has been updated via git | |
| 18:22 | I downloaded the debian with koha VM a couple of years ago, and it worked for us, so we kept it. | |
| 18:22 | I just upgraded to squeeze (apt-get dist-upgrade) yesterday, though | |
| 18:23 | Is C4/context.pm supposed to be the on in kohaclone? | |
| 18:23 | on=one | |
| 18:23 | sekjal | seneca: that's usually where I put |
| 18:23 | I do git installs | |
| 18:23 | seneca | there is one in there |
| 18:24 | sekjal | it sounds like this VM may have some very strange cumulative history that you'll have to dig through |
| 18:24 | seneca | as there has been... but the error seems to be coming from the /etc version |
| 18:25 | How does Koha usually do it's Perl install? Does it have its own version? | |
| 18:25 | sekjal | not knowing how bad it'd be to clean up, I'm almost inclined to recommend that you start from a fresh Debian Squeeze install |
| 18:25 | seneca | In other words, why does it have its own C4 dir? |
| 18:25 | sekjal | seneca: that's where the code library is (all the subroutines) |
| 18:25 | all the stuff that is distinctly "Koha" and not an external dependency | |
| 18:26 | seneca | But koha does use the same Perl installation as the system, right? |
| 18:26 | sekjal | yes |
| 18:26 | minimum Perl 5.10 | |
| 18:26 | seneca | OK... is there any update I need to do to Koha to make it play nice with the current Perl in Squeeze? |
| 18:27 | not sure I'm thinking about this correctly... | |
| 18:27 | sekjal | I think starting over fresh with a stock Debian Squeeze VM is the way to go |
| 18:27 | then download Koha, and run through the installation | |
| 18:27 | this VM you're currently using sounds... complicated | |
| 18:27 | needlessly so | |
| 18:27 | seneca | Then transfer the configs and the mysql db? |
| 18:27 | sekjal | yes |
| 18:28 | seneca | What's sounding complicated to you? I guess that's what I'm not understanding. |
| 18:30 | sekjal | I've never seen the path /etc/perl/C4/Context.pm |
| 18:30 | and the history you're describing, having downloaded it some years ago, then upgraded the OS | |
| 18:31 | rangi | eeww code in /etc |
| 18:31 | sekjal | sounds prone to introducing subtle issues |
| 18:31 | seneca | oh... So C4 in /etc is not standard? |
| 18:32 | sekjal | it might not be as bad as I think... I'm only hearing what you're describing, and my Linux skills are < 1337, but doing a new install seems easier to me |
| 18:32 | rangi | seneca no |
| 18:33 | I've never in hmm 12 years of koha seen anyone put perl modules in /etc | |
| 18:33 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7097] HidePatronName not hiding in all places <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7097> |
| 18:34 | tcohen | seneca: post the output of set | grep PERL5 |
| 18:35 | seneca | PERL5LIB=/home/koha/kohaclone |
| 18:35 | tcohen | exactly |
| 18:35 | seneca | ? |
| 18:35 | tcohen | you've messed up with your paths |
| 18:35 | seneca | oh? |
| 18:36 | I believe that path has been set since we started using this VM and Koha install... what should it be? | |
| 18:36 | tcohen | PERL5LIB=/home/koha/kohaclone means |
| 18:36 | the folder C4 should be found there | |
| 18:36 | seneca | and it is |
| 18:37 | tcohen | yes, BUT you have some scripts |
| 18:37 | that are using the wrong PATH | |
| 18:37 | seneca | There is also, apparently from this error message, a C4 in /etc/perl... |
| 18:37 | Hmm... | |
| 18:38 | Some perl system scripts or som koha scripts? | |
| 18:38 | some | |
| 18:38 | tcohen | from that error I read that some script is searching fr C4/Context.pm there |
| 18:38 | which is wrong | |
| 18:38 | seneca | Makes sense... |
| 18:39 | tcohen | what was the command you're running? |
| 18:39 | seneca | the overdue script in kohaclone/misc/cronjobs |
| 18:40 | tcohen | r u running it from command line? |
| 18:40 | seneca | yeah |
| 18:40 | tcohen | or through cron job? |
| 18:40 | seneca | command line |
| 18:40 | but echo $KOHA_CONF from the command line is returning the correct file... | |
| 18:41 | tcohen | PERL5LIB=/home/koha/kohaclon KOHA_CONF=/home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml /home/koha/kohaclone/misc/... |
| 18:41 | doesn't work? | |
| 18:41 | seneca | Let me try specifying it all in one line... |
| 18:41 | I was relying on the shell ENVs that are set | |
| 18:41 | tcohen | i missed an 'e' in that line |
| 18:42 | seneca | OK, that worked... so weird |
| 18:42 | so is the command line not using the ENVs? | |
| 18:42 | tcohen | exactly |
| 18:43 | echo $PERL5LIB ¿ | |
| 18:43 | seneca | should it be? |
| 18:43 | ok... | |
| 18:43 | that gives nothing | |
| 18:43 | no path | |
| 18:44 | but I swear it was set | |
| 18:44 | a minute ago... | |
| 18:44 | or, I'm just on crack | |
| 18:44 | wow, that would do it | |
| 18:44 | tcohen | put those variables on the cron.d/koha |
| 18:44 | seneca | apologies for taking everyone's time |
| 18:44 | tcohen | just before setting the cronjobs |
| 18:44 | seneca | They are in the crontab |
| 18:44 | tcohen | good luck seneca |
| 18:45 | seneca | wow - I feel silly |
| 18:45 | thanks all | |
| 18:46 | tcohen | it happens, its not a big deal really |
| 18:47 | magnuse | it's all part of the fun :-) |
| 18:47 | seneca | OK, next question: |
| 18:47 | Indeed ;) | |
| 18:48 | the overdue notices script is running without error, is there a way for me to see what messages are in the queue to be sent by Koha? | |
| 18:49 | tcohen | SELECT * FROM message_queue; |
| 18:49 | ? | |
| 18:49 | seneca | ah, so they're saved in the db, I'll look there |
| 18:49 | I just didn't know where to look for them | |
| 18:49 | magnuse | http://schema.koha-community.o[…]essage_queue.html |
| 18:51 | seneca | Is that db location erased when the process_message_queue script is run? |
| 18:51 | or do they stay there? | |
| 18:52 | tcohen | not sure, i think they stay there |
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| 18:52 | cait | back |
| 18:53 | magnuse | yeah, looks like they stay there |
| 18:53 | with status = sent | |
| 18:53 | seneca | cool |
| 18:53 | tcohen | C4::Letter.pm told me that they are just marked as sent |
| 18:54 | rangi | ok my bus stop bbiab |
| 18:54 | tcohen | bye rangi |
| 18:54 | jcamins_away | cait, got the apartment. |
| 18:55 | cait | yay!! |
| 18:55 | magnuse | jcamins_away: hooray! |
| 18:55 | so filling out endless forms payed off! ;-) | |
| 18:56 | cait | of course |
| 18:56 | they would have been stupid to not accept you :) | |
| 18:56 | jcamins_away | So it would seem. :-) |
| 18:58 | tcohen | bye #koha |
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| 19:04 | magnuse | seneca: have you looked at the debian packages of koha? it's an easy way to install koha, if you decide to start the install over from scratch http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze (unless you need to install translations - that is being worked on but not ready yet) |
| 19:04 | rangi | back |
| 19:05 | magnuse | welcome back rangi! ;-) |
| 19:05 | * rangi | pretends he is back in a marseille and eats a pain au chocolat and drinks a coffee for breakfast |
| 19:05 | magnuse | ooh, nice! |
| 19:06 | rangi | yes it is :) |
| 19:06 | magnuse | (at least the pain au chocolat bit ;-) |
| 19:06 | rangi | florent will probably arrive soon |
| 19:06 | and tell me its made wrong | |
| 19:06 | cait | wb rangi |
| 19:06 | rangi | (florent is the newest perl developer at catalyst .. from lyon) |
| 19:06 | magnuse | not working on koha? |
| 19:06 | rangi | and he knows what UNIMARC is ... so i may steal him from the fairfax team at some point |
| 19:07 | nope, he does www.stuff.co.nz | |
| 19:07 | magnuse | ah, cool |
| 19:07 | fairfax? | |
| 19:07 | rangi | the office had a pointless argument about bread vs pastry the other day |
| 19:07 | :) | |
| 19:07 | fairfax own stuff.co.nz | |
| 19:08 | magnuse | ah hah! |
| 19:08 | jcamins_away | Bread is very important. |
| 19:09 | rangi | it was what is the difference |
| 19:09 | jcamins_away | Hmm. |
| 19:09 | rangi | we should ask francharb_afk and fredericd |
| 19:09 | :) | |
| 19:10 | jcamins_away | Different techniques is how I'd differentiate in my kitchen. |
| 19:10 | magnuse | "Pastry is the name given to various kinds of baked products made from ingredients such as flour, sugar, milk, butter, shortening, baking powder and/or eggs." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastry |
| 19:11 | rhcl_away | in NZ, what does it mean to be "red zoned"? |
| 19:12 | rebuilding or removing due to earthquake damage apparently | |
| 19:13 | rangi | yeah, theres whole blocks in chch like that |
| 19:13 | unsafe for humans to be there | |
| 19:13 | is the short answer | |
| 19:13 | magnuse | ouch |
| 19:14 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7407] HidePatronName not working anymore <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7407> |
| 19:15 | rangi | http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/n[…]objectid=10734019 <-- old |
| 19:15 | but gives good explanation | |
| 19:15 | Red zone: About 5000 homes are in this zone and can not be rebuilt. The Government has made an offer to these homeowners as part of today's announcements. | |
| 19:15 | OUCH | |
| 19:17 | rhcl_away | I must say that I find web developers cheap attempts to prevent viewing of images really irritating. |
| 19:17 | rangi | yes |
| 19:18 | rhcl_away | http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuf[…]ins-the-dark-side |
| 19:18 | rangi | its usually not the developers fault .. but the 'content owners' |
| 19:18 | who make them do it | |
| 19:18 | rhcl_away | http://static2.stuff.co.nz/132[…]0/301/6218301.jpg |
| 19:18 | rangi | yup |
| 19:20 | because its friday | |
| 19:20 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ | |
| 19:20 | ibeardslee | it's a bit arse that it can be worked around anyway |
| 19:20 | magnuse | Darth Vador?!? |
| 19:20 | rangi | you cant show the image in a browser |
| 19:20 | and not have someone download it | |
| 19:20 | because um .. they already have | |
| 19:20 | ibeardslee | right click in firefox on the image, pops up the "can't save" message, and then get the right click menu anyway |
| 19:20 | * rangi | has had this discussion with people |
| 19:21 | ibeardslee | I right click many articles to open in a new tab |
| 19:21 | just arse | |
| 19:21 | </rant> | |
| 19:21 | rangi | yup |
| 19:21 | rhcl_away | usually it's just a matter of disabling javascript |
| 19:22 | rangi | don't talk to me about 'IP' stuff :) |
| 19:22 | ibeardslee | awww |
| 19:24 | magnuse | re: throwing things on the ground... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S[…]ng_%28behavior%29 |
| 19:24 | good time of the day, #koha! | |
| 19:24 | rangi | cya magnuse |
| 19:31 | seneca | Does anyone know if there's a way to clear the message queue through the staff client, or is it safe to just do it from mysql? |
| 19:34 | cait | no way to do it from staf |
| 19:34 | f | |
| 19:35 | but should be safe to truncate it | |
| 19:35 | or delete those sent | |
| 19:35 | it's only nice to look them up sometimes | |
| 19:38 | seneca | yeah, we haven't been using emailings yet, so anything in there is just whatever ended up there... It'll be easier to test it with a clear queue |
| 19:38 | thanks! | |
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| 20:36 | * wizzyrea1 | waves |
| 20:38 | rangi | heya wizzyrea1 |
| 20:43 | cait | hi wizzyrea |
| 20:43 | :) | |
| 20:49 | rangi | heh |
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| 21:54 | maximep | anyone know of a bug in 3.6.0 where holds use default rules instead of the cirtulation rules ? |
| 21:54 | can't find it in bugzilla :S | |
| 21:57 | rangi | there is one |
| 21:57 | about circulation rules | |
| 21:57 | lemme find it | |
| 21:58 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4530 <-- related maybe | |
| 21:58 | huginn | 04Bug 4530: major, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Circulation & fines rules aren't always applied from most specific to less specific |
| 22:01 | maximep | oh wow, what a big patch |
| 22:01 | thanks, will try it to see if it helps | |
| 22:01 | rangi | :) |
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| 22:52 | thd | If anyone has mod points on Slashdot and likes my comprehensive answer to today's library automation system question, http://ask.slashdot.org/commen[…]4686&cid=38604004 , please mod up my answer. |
| 22:52 | libsysguy left #koha | |
| 22:55 | thd | The slashdot horde abandons topics after about two hours, therefore, my answer will have no attention from the horde. |
| 22:55 | rangi | id have to remember my login |
| 22:55 | but id highly doubt i have any mod points | |
| 22:55 | seeings its about 5 years since i last loggedin | |
| 22:56 | thd | rangi: I have forgotten all my past logins, therfore, I created a new one. |
| 22:56 | I think that I have only posted about twice ever in the past. | |
| 22:57 | I could never compose a useful reply to anything on Slashdot before the horde has left. | |
| 22:57 | rangi | not so much a horde any more |
| 22:58 | more a small queue at a bus stop | |
| 22:58 | thd | Fortunately, I had some previously unposted text to recycle. |
| 22:58 | rangi | the horde is over at reddit |
| 22:59 | thd | Does reddit have anything like 'ask slashdot'? |
| 23:01 | rangi | yep |
| 23:01 | askreddit | |
| 23:01 | http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/ | |
| 23:01 | http://www.reddit.com/r/koha <-- we have this too | |
| 23:02 | maximep | wow, took me an hour to find the bug. Looks like CanBookBeReserved called CanItemBeReserved with en item instead of an itemnumber. fuuuuuuuun |
| 23:02 | in 3.6 | |
| 23:02 | rangi | same in master? |
| 23:02 | maximep | yup |
| 23:03 | rangi | prolly can find the commit that did it, with git blame |
| 23:03 | maximep | it uses get_itemnumbers_of and get_hostitemnumbers_of |
| 23:03 | 3.2 used GetItemsInfo | |
| 23:03 | rangi | ahhh |
| 23:03 | i know why then | |
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| 23:03 | rangi | GetItemsInfo is hideos |
| 23:03 | and slllloooowwwww | |
| 23:03 | maximep | at least it worked :p |
| 23:04 | rangi | so yeah it will have been broken with that change |
| 23:04 | for some def of worked ;-) | |
| 23:04 | it worked until your apache went OOM :-) | |
| 23:04 | maximep | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]962e126affc72cbeb |
| 23:04 | rangi | but yeah, that should be fixed |
| 23:04 | maximep | ian -_- |
| 23:04 | well | |
| 23:04 | i think | |
| 23:05 | rangi | hmm |
| 23:05 | item should be an itemnumber in that case | |
| 23:05 | maximep | yup |
| 23:05 | rangi | which is the same |
| 23:05 | ? | |
| 23:05 | ie @items is an array of itemnumbers now | |
| 23:06 | so ti should be still calling it with an itemnumber | |
| 23:06 | ? | |
| 23:06 | maximep | 2 sec, will paste what is $item |
| 23:06 | $VAR1 = { | |
| 23:06 | '167411' => [ | |
| 23:06 | '224369' | |
| 23:06 | ] | |
| 23:06 | }; | |
| 23:07 | rangi | if not it looks like the get_itemnumbers_of |
| 23:07 | is wrong | |
| 23:07 | maximep | so itemnumber really is $item->{$biblionumber}->[0] |
| 23:07 | rangi | yuck |
| 23:08 | thd | I never paid much attention to Reddit because it lacks the significant computer technology centric focus of Slashdot. The horde has certainly left Slashdot in recent years but some extraordinarily insightful commentators still seem to contribute when I have checked even if there number has also declined. |
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| 23:09 | maximep | get_hostitemnumbers_of returns a reference on a hash where key is a biblionumber and values are |
| 23:09 | references on array of itemnumbers. | |
| 23:09 | wow | |
| 23:10 | rangi | yeah thats hideous |
| 23:10 | get_hostitemnumbers_of | |
| 23:11 | does the right thing even if the pod says it doesnt | |
| 23:11 | ah no it doesnt | |
| 23:11 | cos it uses get_itemnumbers_of | |
| 23:11 | eeew | |
| 23:11 | maximep | a comment or 2 in that code would help :/ |
| 23:11 | thd | What a great loss from the original once FRBR-like Koha. :( |
| 23:11 | maximep | my 6 months of perl arent enough to quickly understand |
| 23:11 | rangi | yeah |
| 23:12 | basically i think we should not use those 2 functions | |
| 23:12 | maximep | i see, haha |
| 23:12 | rangi | in that CanBookBeReserved |
| 23:12 | all we want is all itemnumbers | |
| 23:13 | maximep | from a biblionumber. Must exists a simpler way |
| 23:13 | rangi | yeah |
| 23:13 | SELECT itemnumber FROM items where biblionumber = ? | |
| 23:13 | :) | |
| 23:13 | maximep | sure haha |
| 23:13 | rangi | but in a sub |
| 23:13 | then have to figure out what get_hostitemnumbers_of does | |
| 23:14 | oh i see | |
| 23:14 | analytics stuff | |
| 23:14 | yeah i think a couple of new subs in Items.pm .. that behave sanely | |
| 23:14 | and actually just return an array of itemnumbers | |
| 23:15 | maximep | well, I have to go |
| 23:15 | rangi | id say kill the other ones |
| 23:15 | maximep | so I will posta bug report tomorrow |
| 23:15 | rangi | but they are used by the merge stuff |
| 23:16 | maximep | CanBookBeReserved could be 3 lines hehe |
| 23:16 | well maybe not | |
| 23:17 | for now I thin I will just revert that patch | |
| 23:17 | to fix it for my clients | |
| 23:18 | and write a bug report tomorrow with suggestions | |
| 23:18 | and a patch if i can | |
| 23:18 | thanks for the help! | |
| 23:19 | thd | French lesson today. |
| 23:20 | maximep | I can help with that :p |
| 23:23 | jcamins_away | Useful lesson of the minute: you cannot move koha-dev to a different partition while zebrasrv is running without causing problems. |
| 23:23 | maximep | haha |
| 23:24 | my sysadmins learned that search doesn't work much without zebrasrv today | |
| 23:24 | jcamins_away | This is also true. |
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| 23:27 | jcamins_away | Is there any performance hit for using BETWEEN? |
| 23:27 | rangi | run the query using explain |
| 23:27 | it will tell you | |
| 23:27 | jcamins_away | Ah, good point. |
| 23:27 | Thanks. | |
| 23:29 | No difference. | |
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