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| 03:31 | Soupermanito joined #koha | |
| 07:00 | cait joined #koha | |
| 07:00 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 07:06 | rangi | hi cait |
| 07:06 | cait | hi rangi :) |
| 07:49 | indradg joined #koha | |
| 08:37 | mbalmer joined #koha | |
| 08:48 | julian_m joined #koha | |
| 09:13 | mbalmer | hello Koha world! |
| 09:15 | indradg joined #koha | |
| 11:25 | cait | mbalmer: fixing indentation and whitespace makes your patches hard to read |
| 11:25 | perhaps try fixing those in separate patches | |
| 11:34 | mbalmer | cait, my editor removes trailing whitespace automatically, as you may see these affected lines don't change |
| 11:34 | (visually, I mean) | |
| 11:40 | cait | yeah, but it's not good |
| 11:40 | people look at the patches to see what has been changed | |
| 11:40 | it makes it hard for qa | |
| 11:41 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines | |
| 11:52 | mbalmer | bug and wiki page set up. |
| 12:09 | cait_afk | only half around today |
| 12:09 | the wiki page is a good thing | |
| 12:10 | time to do some reading | |
| 12:18 | mbalmer | some of the SQL used is really weird (to say the least), e.g. 'SELECT DATE(CURDATE())" ... |
| 13:27 | indradg joined #koha | |
| 13:37 | druthb joined #koha | |
| 13:37 | druthb | o/ |
| 13:37 | cait_afk | hi druthb :) |
| 13:37 | jcamins_away | \o |
| 13:37 | cait_afk | hi jcamins_away :) |
| 13:38 | jcamins_away | cait_afk: not very far away from the keyboard! |
| 13:38 | druthb | hi, cait_who_isn't_really_afk, and jcamins_who_isn't_really_away. |
| 13:38 | cait_afk | hehe |
| 13:38 | running around the apartment | |
| 13:39 | so sometimes afk | |
| 14:54 | francharb joined #koha | |
| 14:54 | druthb | bonjour, francharb |
| 14:54 | francharb | hi druthb |
| 14:55 | cait_afk | hi francharb |
| 14:55 | :) | |
| 14:55 | francharb | hi cait_afk |
| 14:55 | working partners!! :) | |
| 14:55 | cait_afk | hm? :) |
| 14:56 | druthb | imma cranking data for a go-live. my new data-cranking script is working very nicely now. |
| 14:56 | francharb | cait_afk, what do you do, right now? |
| 14:56 | just chilling with koha crew? | |
| 14:56 | ;) | |
| 14:56 | druthb | she keeps me sane. Hard job. |
| 14:56 | francharb | hehe |
| 14:56 | cait_afk | heh |
| 14:56 | not that hard :) | |
| 14:56 | watching a documentation and trying to gather some motivation for bugs | |
| 14:57 | what are you doing here on a sunday francharb? | |
| 14:57 | francharb | a training to prepare |
| 14:57 | * druthb | thinks it'd be awesome to have francharb for a trainer. :) |
| 14:57 | francharb | some koha testing for clients |
| 14:57 | cait_afk | yep |
| 14:58 | francharb | ;) |
| 15:02 | cait_afk | what kind of library are you training tomorrow? |
| 15:05 | * druthb | grumps...the script finished, but there is some sort of mapping goof---one lil tweak! |
| 15:05 | checks for other problems, before re-running that monster. | |
| 15:05 | indradg joined #koha | |
| 15:08 | francharb | cait_afk, it's on wednesday and it's a public library and it's more a "question/answer day" |
| 15:10 | mbalmer | re from a nice walk on the snow.. |
| 15:14 | druthb | @wunder 75076 |
| 15:14 | huginn` | druthb: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Denison/Sherman TX US, Pottsboro, Texas is 8.9°C (9:03 AM CST on December 18, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026.0 hPa. |
| 15:15 | druthb | @wunder konstanz |
| 15:15 | huginn` | druthb: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 1.0°C (4:00 PM CET on December 18, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Rising). |
| 15:29 | jcamins | Mmm. Biscuits. |
| 15:30 | * jcamins | waits impatiently for them to be finished. |
| 15:37 | druthb_away | wahoo! |
| 15:37 | my script worked! got a buncha bibs all ready to load! | |
| 15:40 | jcamins | Hooray! |
| 15:42 | druthb_away | loading bibs now...gonna go stir up some breakfast! :D |
| 15:44 | indradg | @wunder kolkata |
| 15:44 | huginn` | indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 16.0°C (8:50 PM IST on December 18, 2011). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:46 | magnuse | kia ora #koha |
| 15:47 | @wunder boo | |
| 15:47 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (4:20 PM CET on December 18, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:47 | mbalmer_oao | @wunder koha |
| 15:47 | huginn` | mbalmer_oao: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 15:49 | jcamins | The biscuits are delicious. |
| 15:50 | magnuse | yay! |
| 15:50 | cait_afk | heh |
| 15:55 | jcamins | Biscuits with cheddar and oregano are definitely the best kind of Sunday breakfast. |
| 15:58 | magnuse | sounds nice, jcamins |
| 16:00 | jcamins | magnuse: it certainly is! |
| 16:01 | * magnuse | is making http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacalao |
| 16:02 | jcamins | Portuguese dried and salted codfish? |
| 16:05 | magnuse | well, it's funny - in norway bacalao is the name of one dish |
| 16:06 | dried and salted cod cooked with onions, tomatoes, potatoes etc | |
| 16:06 | cait_afk | it looks yummy |
| 16:06 | druthb | hi, magnuse! :D |
| 16:06 | magnuse | and in the rest of the world it's the name of the fish... |
| 16:06 | hiya druthb | |
| 16:13 | jcamins | Woohoo! AUAf Koha training is going to happen! |
| 16:13 | cait_afk | huh? |
| 16:14 | jcamins | cait_afk: the American University of Afghanistan's library staff is getting trained on Koha. |
| 16:14 | cait_afk | oh! |
| 16:14 | jcamins | A bit unfortunate that they don't use Koha, but at least they get a nice trip to India. :) |
| 16:15 | cait_afk | now I am confused |
| 16:16 | jcamins | cait_afk: they use a fork of Koha. |
| 16:16 | The staff is flying to India to learn how to use actual Koha. | |
| 16:17 | cait_afk | ok |
| 16:17 | still confused, where did you see it? | |
| 16:17 | magnuse | yay |
| 16:17 | jcamins | cait_afk: I'm friends with the librarian there. |
| 16:17 | cait_afk: there won't be any news of any sort. | |
| 16:20 | cait_afk | ok |
| 16:26 | indradg joined #koha | |
| 16:49 | mbalmer_oao | magnuse, also in portuguese it's the name of the dish |
| 16:49 | jcamins, why did they fork Koha? | |
| 16:51 | jcamins | mbalmer_oao: they didn't. They purchased a fork of Koha. |
| 16:51 | mbalmer_oao | ah. are there many such forks? |
| 16:51 | jcamins | Back before it was a fork. |
| 16:51 | Just the one. | |
| 16:51 | mbalmer_oao | a the lime stuff? |
| 16:51 | jcamins | Right. |
| 16:51 | cait_afk | oao? |
| 16:52 | * cait_afk | nick cait |
| 16:52 | mbalmer_oao | off-and-on |
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| 16:52 | cait | ah |
| 16:54 | julian_m joined #koha | |
| 16:54 | cait | hi julian_m |
| 16:54 | julian_m | hi cait ;) |
| 16:54 | magnuse | hiya bigbrovar and julian_m |
| 16:55 | julian_m | hello magnuse |
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| 17:17 | indradg | @wunder kolkata |
| 17:17 | huginn` | indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 15.0°C (10:20 PM IST on December 18, 2011). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:22 | DarkSun joined #koha | |
| 17:23 | * magnus_afk | wanders off to eat his bacalao... |
| 17:23 | cait | enjoy :) |
| 19:54 | mbalmer | re |
| 19:59 | anyone still awake? | |
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| 20:15 | mbalmer | are there any koha folks in paris? |
| 21:00 | cait left #koha | |
| 21:43 | mbalmer | more postgresql news, and probably contoversy, tomorrow. |
| 21:45 | eythian | postgres controversy? |
| 21:46 | It's never seemed like a controversial project to me :) | |
| 21:47 | mbalmer | it will, maybe, soon be. since I see only little sense in keeping MySQL compatability. |
| 21:47 | eythian | Oh, with Koha. Yeah, postgres would be nice. |
| 21:48 | mbalmer | yes. |
| 21:48 | eythian | we've been planning on abstracting the SQL layer away a bit, or at least the schema. This would make it easier. |
| 21:49 | mbalmer | it makes no sense to support two databases. Koha should switch to PostgreSQL. Which is clearly the better database. |
| 21:49 | but that _is_ controversial. | |
| 21:49 | some folks will have different opinions. | |
| 21:51 | eythian | yes. I don't think that'll ever fly, unfortunately. |
| 21:52 | mbalmer | oh, I think we will just fork. |
| 21:53 | koha-pg or so. | |
| 21:54 | eythian | I sure hope you're joking :) |
| 21:54 | mbalmer | I am not. |
| 21:54 | ibeardslee | surely it'd be better to put effort into building a database abstraction layer? |
| 21:54 | eythian | they already exist. |
| 21:54 | mbalmer | MySQL is a no go for us. |
| 21:55 | eythian | as it is, it's about 95% pg compatible. |
| 21:55 | it is an only-go for many people. | |
| 21:55 | mbalmer | eythian, Koha as it is will _NOT_ run on PostgreSQL. |
| 21:55 | eythian | yes, I know. |
| 21:55 | but it almost can. | |
| 21:55 | mbalmer | to many stupid MYSQLisms. some of them are easy to remove. |
| 21:56 | like CURDATE() or CURRENT_DATE(), which can be written as "CAST(now() AS date)" which works on both DBs | |
| 21:58 | but then there are MySQL idioms being used that can not be rewritten portable. So at the Perl level, different statements have to be used, depending on whether MySQl or PostgreSQL is being used. | |
| 21:59 | eythian | well, they'd be the first things to move to using DBIx::something. |
| 21:59 | mbalmer | It makes no sense to support two databases… But that is my opinion, and I will ditch MySQL in favour of PostgreSQL. |
| 21:59 | eythian | it makes a lot of sense to support two. |
| 21:59 | Some places can't/don't run mysql. | |
| 21:59 | mbalmer | absolutely not. |
| 21:59 | eythian | err |
| 21:59 | *pgsql | |
| 22:00 | ibeardslee | There is a lot of sense to be able to support more than two |
| 22:00 | mbalmer | no. |
| 22:01 | eythian | I'd be interested to see a performance comparison. I suspect that the MySQL query cache helps things a lot, and I don't think pgsql has an equivalent. |
| 22:01 | although, memcache should take care of the worst of that anyway | |
| 22:01 | mbalmer | MySQL is a crap database. Speed is not everything. |
| 22:02 | but hey, let's not get into religion ;) | |
| 22:02 | eythian | speed is important however. |
| 22:02 | mbalmer | I created a pgsql branch, and maybe one day folks can try it out, and it will then maybe lead to a fork. |
| 22:02 | eythian | I don't like mysql, but I don't thing dropping support for it is at all a good idea for the project. |
| 22:03 | mbalmer | that's the great advantage of opensource, right? |
| 22:03 | eythian, if you don't like mysql, dropping it in favour or postgresql is the best thing you can do. | |
| 22:04 | ibeardslee | personally I think also one of the weaknesses |
| 22:04 | eythian | sure, but it's a lot of work to maintain. I think the effort is best put into abstracting the SQL away to work with all sorts of databases. |
| 22:04 | mbalmer | abstraction means only using the least common denominator. |
| 22:04 | eythian | otherwise you end up having to reinvent the wheel, only this one is a slightly different colour. |
| 22:05 | mbalmer | my branch ditches MySQL in favour of PostgreSQL. I don't believe in database abstraction layers. |
| 22:05 | I want to use the advanced features of PostgreSQL. | |
| 22:06 | eythian | you're going to spend a lot of time merging. |
| 22:06 | mbalmer | yes, I know ;) |
| 22:07 | until the Koha community at large realizes that there are better databaes than MySQL ;) | |
| 22:08 | eythian | it used to support pgsql, but there wasn't enough interest to keep it maintained. |
| 22:10 | mbalmer | when I see stuff like locking whole tables and such, using non-standard SQL, I get the feeling that using the database was mor of a chore than of an art. |
| 22:11 | eythian | where are there table locks? I hope we don't have those, but anything is possible. |
| 22:11 | mbalmer | there are. |
| 22:12 | and there are so many strange SQL uses, which are, well, strange ;) | |
| 22:12 | eythian | also keep in mind that the older code didn't really have quite as much of a review process as it does now. There have been people of varying skill levels contributing over the years. |
| 22:13 | mbalmer | oh yes, I am totally aware of that. |
| 22:13 | eythian | hopefully things are better in the newer stuff :) |
| 22:13 | mbalmer | I would even say, much of the code is briliant when it comes to the "library" stuff, but less than poor when it comes to databases/SQL. |
| 22:14 | the DB layer and SQL use is really inconsistend and, at least partly, horrible. | |
| 22:15 | eythian | yep, also there's HTML in the backend modules. Lots of things like that that need to be cleaned. |
| 22:15 | mbalmer | and now I need to pull out and take a nap ;) cul! |
| 22:17 | eythian | later |
| 22:20 | mbalmer | one last word: when I see how random MySQL idioms are used, and wrongly so, I am totally convinced that MySQL was choosen for no real reason besides maybe speed advantages it once had over PostgreSQL. But that has changed a lot and PostgreSQL is nowadays ways ahead of MySQL. |
| 22:22 | eythian | pg is not universally faster (try running Drupal on it, for example.) Also, MySQL wasn't chosen so much as happened due to critical mass. |
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