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| 00:21 | mtj | oooh Koha trademark on slashdot, zOmg! |
| 00:21 | http://slashdot.org/ | |
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| 02:47 | kiwi_chap | has the library considered contacting http://www.eff.org ? not exactly there stuff but they would be able to point the library in the right direction I am sure regarding the open source corporate hijacking issue |
| 02:48 | rangi | kiwi_chap: a bunch of law firms have offered help to HLT from what ive heard, so I think things are moving in the right direction |
| 02:48 | http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/[…]-'koha'-offensive | |
| 02:55 | eythian | is that a quake or the wind? |
| 02:57 | rangi | wind |
| 03:10 | man its windy out here | |
| 03:12 | chrisdothall | still raining? |
| 03:15 | rangi | nope |
| 03:15 | but watch out at the intersections | |
| 03:15 | eythian | guess I shouldn't bike then |
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| 03:17 | stevenmirabito | Hi all! |
| 03:17 | rangi | hi stevenmirabito |
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| 03:17 | stevenmirabito | Does anyone know where I might find create_koc_db.pl? |
| 03:18 | It creates the SQLite DB for the Offline Circulation Tool | |
| 03:19 | rangi | hmm I think that comes separate to koha |
| 03:19 | im on my phone so can't look easily | |
| 03:19 | try google for kylemhall koha offline circ | |
| 03:20 | you could also look in git.koha-community.org | |
| 03:20 | in case it is there | |
| 03:21 | stevenmirabito | That's where I'm looking now |
| 03:22 | rangi | right im pretty sure its not there, ie its not part of core koha |
| 03:23 | it was developed by kyle hall so if google u should find it | |
| 03:23 | stevenmirabito | Success! It does come bundled in the Koha release in ./misc/cronjobs/ |
| 03:23 | rangi | ah cool :) |
| 03:24 | * rangi | is happy to be wrong |
| 03:25 | stevenmirabito | And is installed on Debian @ /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/create_koc_db.pl |
| 03:25 | Thanks for your help rangi! | |
| 03:25 | rangi | sweet u use the packages? |
| 03:26 | stevenmirabito | Yep - it's a whole lot easier than doing all of the config manually |
| 03:26 | rangi | u might wanna file an ehancement request |
| 03:26 | to get that job added to the koha-common cron jobs | |
| 03:26 | stevenmirabito | I actually found LibLime Koha first, but moved here after I learned the history of the project. So far, I'm very happy. :) |
| 03:27 | rangi | bugs.koha-community.org |
| 03:27 | stevenmirabito | Well, not everyone needs it - it's really just useful for those who need to use the offline circulation tool |
| 03:27 | rangi | excellent thats great to hear |
| 03:27 | especially in the context of the last few days | |
| 03:28 | chrisdothall | hehe |
| 03:28 | rangi | true |
| 03:29 | stevenmirabito | Obviously I'm out of the loop |
| 03:29 | rangi | ahhh |
| 03:29 | koha-community.org | |
| 03:29 | wahanui | i heard koha-community.org was actually updated and right |
| 03:30 | rangi | has a post that explains it :) |
| 03:30 | wahanui: botsnack | |
| 03:30 | wahanui | :) |
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| 03:32 | AmitG | heya chris |
| 03:33 | rangi | hiya AmitG |
| 03:33 | stevenmirabito | Oh god, that's sick. And sad. Koha's much nicer than the piece of crap that my school uses (*cough* Mandarin *cough*) |
| 03:33 | AmitG | Irma around? |
| 03:34 | Irma | Hi AmitG I have just a few minutes ... how are you? |
| 03:34 | rangi | my bus stop |
| 03:34 | bbl | |
| 03:34 | AmitG | Irma: I am fine How r u? |
| 03:35 | Irma | AmitG :-) |
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| 03:45 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 03:47 | AmitG | heya Brooke :D |
| 03:47 | Brooke | howdy |
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| 03:54 | Brooke | namaste kmkale. |
| 03:54 | kmkale | Namaskaar #koha |
| 03:54 | Namaste Brooke :) | |
| 04:01 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 04:02 | * Oak | waves |
| 04:02 | Oak | Hello Brooke |
| 04:02 | Brooke | hey hey |
| 04:02 | * Brooke | hugs Oak. |
| 04:02 | Oak | :-) |
| 04:05 | * Oak | heart Brooke |
| 04:11 | Brooke | http://www.amazon.com/Defense-[…]&showViewpoints=1 |
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| 04:19 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 04:20 | rangi | hey jransom |
| 04:20 | wahanui | jransom is gonna *smek* someone. |
| 04:21 | * Brooke | laughs. |
| 04:22 | jransom | hey friends |
| 04:23 | Oak | hey jransom :) |
| 04:24 | rangi | listening ng to checkpoint? |
| 04:31 | kmkale | hi jransom, rangi & Oak :) |
| 04:32 | jransom | no was just foing an interview on radio talk something |
| 04:33 | NewstalkZB | |
| 04:33 | rangi | oh |
| 04:34 | im wondering if they will play rachels interview on there | |
| 04:34 | its a long show, so could be on anytime | |
| 04:34 | * Brooke | crosses her fingers. |
| 04:34 | Brooke | archiving this stuff properly is a task I welcome, though. |
| 04:34 | jransom | o im going home |
| 04:35 | Brooke | rest up |
| 04:35 | rangi | they record everything thats the good thing |
| 04:35 | * Brooke | nods. |
| 04:35 | rangi | and .ogg too |
| 04:46 | eythian | wahanui: what is the saddest thing? |
| 04:46 | wahanui | wish i knew, eythian |
| 04:46 | eythian | wahanui: what is the saddest thing is <reply>U+26C4 ⛄ SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW |
| 04:46 | wahanui | i haven't a clue, eythian |
| 04:46 | eythian | wahanui: what \is the saddest thing is <reply>U+26C4 ⛄ SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW |
| 04:46 | wahanui | no idea, eythian |
| 04:46 | kmkale | hi eythian |
| 04:46 | * eythian | gives up |
| 04:46 | eythian | hi kmkale |
| 04:47 | wahanui: \what \is \the saddest thing is <reply>U+26C4 ⛄ SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW | |
| 04:47 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 04:47 | eythian | wahanui: what is the saddest thing? |
| 04:47 | wahanui | i haven't a clue, eythian |
| 04:47 | eythian | hrm |
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| 05:09 | Oak | hello miss cait :) |
| 05:09 | cait | hello mr Oak :) |
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| 05:28 | rangi | if you are near a tv |
| 05:28 | tv3 is sposta be showing the TM thing after the ads | |
| 05:28 | * eythian | wonders if tv3 streams |
| 05:29 | rangi | hmm i think maybe only after |
| 05:30 | eythian | http://www.3news.co.nz/VideoBr[…]/387/Default.aspx <-- this might do it |
| 05:31 | rangi | cool |
| 05:31 | still christchurch stuff | |
| 05:31 | eythian | yeah |
| 05:34 | rangi | on now |
| 05:34 | eythian | I'm seeing sharemarket stuff |
| 05:34 | rangi | yeah after that |
| 05:34 | you must have a slight delay | |
| 05:34 | eythian | streaming must be delayed a minute or so |
| 05:34 | ah here we go | |
| 05:35 | jransom is on TV :) | |
| 05:35 | rangi | yup |
| 05:35 | wow, long item | |
| 05:36 | schweet | |
| 05:36 | hmm i think i just missed it on tv1 | |
| 05:36 | eythian | yeah, not a bad segment |
| 05:37 | kmkale | hey any non-live link? |
| 05:38 | eythian | I think it'll probably go up some time after 7pm or so. |
| 05:38 | rangi | yeah |
| 05:38 | eythian | but, that's more likely to be restricted to NZ (I don't know for sure) |
| 05:51 | rangi | right gotta put kids to bed |
| 05:52 | back later | |
| 05:55 | cait | eythian: can see the live stream |
| 05:55 | but too late now :( | |
| 05:56 | eythian | yeah, far too late |
| 05:56 | cait | funny to hear nz english again :) |
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| 06:27 | rangi | back |
| 06:29 | indradg | morning #koha |
| 06:37 | ibeardslee | Just saw a segment on TV3 plus .. this has legs! |
| 06:38 | rangi | yeah, i think 8 radio stations now |
| 06:38 | including one from sydney | |
| 06:38 | plus both tv1 and tv3 interviewed | |
| 06:39 | cait | wow |
| 06:39 | morning magnuse | |
| 06:39 | ibeardslee | some radio station was after some comment from NZOSS |
| 06:41 | magnuse | hiya cait rangi ibeardslee and #koha |
| 06:41 | cait | back from your travels? :) |
| 06:42 | magnuse: do we have a date for gbsd? | |
| 06:42 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7197] ES translation of the Debian readme <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7197> |
| 06:42 | cait | all this TM talk makes me want to squash some bugs |
| 06:42 | this sentence looks wrong... | |
| 06:43 | rangi | heh |
| 06:43 | magnuse | cait++ |
| 06:43 | rangi | its always a good time to squash bugs |
| 06:43 | * magnuse | was back yesterday |
| 06:43 | magnuse | no date for gbsd, but we can always set one |
| 06:44 | pre-xmas gbsd... ;-) | |
| 06:44 | cait | I think we talked about having it on another day |
| 06:44 | magnuse | any suggestions? |
| 06:44 | cait | not friday |
| 06:44 | or alternate perhaps | |
| 06:44 | magnuse | i'd like to try something that's not a friday |
| 06:44 | yay | |
| 06:44 | cait | heh |
| 06:44 | so | |
| 06:44 | @eightball wednesday | |
| 06:44 | huginn | cait: Of course. |
| 06:45 | cait | @eightball thursday |
| 06:45 | huginn | cait: You know the answer better than I. |
| 06:45 | cait | hm. |
| 06:46 | rangi | hmm it was apparently on tvone too |
| 06:46 | according to twitter | |
| 06:53 | magnuse | cait: suggest a date and we'll nail it :-) |
| 06:53 | Oak | magnuse |
| 06:56 | magnuse | Oak |
| 06:56 | rangi | http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/c[…]z_software-00.ogg |
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| 07:07 | rangi | morning Guillaume1 |
| 07:10 | magnuse | looks like that newspaper stopped using #koha on twitter? |
| 07:12 | cait | might have scared them away |
| 07:14 | alex_a | hello #koha |
| 07:14 | rangi | hello alex_a |
| 07:15 | cait | hi alex_a :) |
| 07:16 | sijobl | chris: R was quizzed by natrad again this evening |
| 07:16 | sounds like she's on morning report tomorrow | |
| 07:16 | rangi | ahh |
| 07:16 | probably following up | |
| 07:16 | jo was on tv1 and tv3 | |
| 07:20 | sijobl | is anybody using it in a anti trade agreements angle yet? |
| 07:20 | rangi | hmmmm, not that i know of |
| 07:22 | sijobl | not having listened to any of the reports, or read any of what the media was saying, I assumed it would be a good story to join the dots to have a dig about trade agreements being negotiated in secret |
| 07:22 | with more maori culture getting apprpriate overseas, so on, and so forth | |
| 07:22 | appropriated, even | |
| 07:23 | otherwise it's a fairly dull story | |
| 07:23 | news at ten, open source project bickers over trademarks | |
| 07:25 | rangi | :) |
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| 07:31 | * sijobl | loves that koha.com is still albout some provincial hockey team |
| 07:31 | rangi | hehe yeah, kalamazoo |
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| 07:34 | sijobl | although I shouldn't snigger, they have three arenas and heap of stuff |
| 07:34 | reiveune joined #koha | |
| 07:34 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:34 | sijobl | it's clearly not on the same scale as petone rugby league club |
| 07:35 | heaps of staff, I should say | |
| 07:35 | rangi | petone rugby union on the other hand .. is pretty big :) |
| 07:36 | sijobl | well yes |
| 07:36 | the women of petone RLC are even bigger, but :-) | |
| 07:37 | rangi | :) |
| 07:45 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 07:45 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.6°C (8:45 AM CET on November 23, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.32 in 1026.6 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:45 | rangi | @wunder wellington nz |
| 07:45 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on November 23, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:45 | rangi | was very windy again today |
| 07:48 | cait | yeah, but still a lot nicer :) |
| 07:48 | it's still grey outside | |
| 07:48 | which probably means we will have fog again all day | |
| 07:48 | lots of grey days recently | |
| 07:50 | cait left #koha | |
| 07:52 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:52 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (8:20 AM CET on November 23, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Falling). |
| 07:52 | magnuse | nice |
| 07:54 | rangi | that doesnt sound bad at all for winter |
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| 07:55 | magnuse | nope, it's rather exceptional |
| 07:55 | rangi | hi julian_m |
| 07:57 | magnuse | the average temp for the last 30 days has been 7.4C - that's 5.4C above the average for this period! |
| 07:57 | rangi | wow |
| 07:58 | magnuse | gory details are here: http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/[…]8/statistics.html :-) |
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| 08:06 | julian_m | hi rangi, hi all |
| 08:10 | asaurat joined #koha | |
| 08:16 | francharb joined #koha | |
| 08:16 | francharb | morning! |
| 08:18 | magnuse | bonjour! |
| 08:19 | joann joined #koha | |
| 08:19 | magnuse | kia ora joann |
| 08:19 | joann | kia ora Magnus |
| 08:20 | magnuse | interesting times, eh? ;-) |
| 08:20 | joann | oh yeah |
| 08:20 | rangi | oh you made it |
| 08:20 | :) | |
| 08:22 | joann | yup |
| 08:22 | see the email sent to LL copied to the comments on the koha-community blog? | |
| 08:23 | kf joined #koha | |
| 08:23 | kf | hi again #koha |
| 08:23 | joann | heya Katrin |
| 08:24 | really should write an update blog post but really tired | |
| 08:24 | magnuse | how's the defense fund coming along? |
| 08:24 | kf | hi joann |
| 08:24 | you have been busy! | |
| 08:25 | I saw you on tv - you were great :) | |
| 08:25 | joann | at about $9k which is phenomenal |
| 08:25 | oh thank you :) | |
| 08:25 | I havnt seen tv1 yet | |
| 08:25 | kf | :) |
| 08:25 | joann | saw tv3 story though |
| 08:25 | kf | do you have an estimate of how high the costs are goign to be? |
| 08:25 | magnuse | is it still available? or only streamed? |
| 08:26 | kf | I don't have the link, but it should be in the logs |
| 08:26 | magnuse | ah, of course |
| 08:26 | kf | bookmarked on my laptop at home |
| 08:26 | magnuse | hehe |
| 08:27 | joann | can you access tvondemand.co.nz |
| 08:27 | rangi | http://tvnz.co.nz/national-new[…]ant-video-4563575 |
| 08:27 | tvnz | |
| 08:27 | http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/c[…]z_software-00.ogg | |
| 08:28 | radio nz | |
| 08:28 | magnuse | joann: nope, i get "server not found" |
| 08:28 | joann | ok |
| 08:28 | magnuse | rangi: thanks, i heard two radio spots already |
| 08:28 | joann | how did cait view it? |
| 08:28 | kf | rangi found a link that was working for me |
| 08:29 | rangi | that first one |
| 08:29 | works | |
| 08:29 | for tvnx | |
| 08:29 | looking for a tv3 one | |
| 08:29 | magnuse | nice to hear joann's voice again - sad circumstances... |
| 08:29 | kf | yep, can play it |
| 08:29 | rangi | http://www.3news.co.nz/Rural-K[…]3737/Default.aspx |
| 08:29 | tv3 | |
| 08:29 | may or may not work outside of nz | |
| 08:29 | kf | magnuse: it takes a little while to start |
| 08:31 | magnuse | the last one works too - i just had to find the little "video" button |
| 08:32 | kf | :) |
| 08:33 | magnuse | "maybe it's just because i'm a kiwi" ;-) |
| 08:34 | joann | i do cringe a bit about what i said |
| 08:34 | and how its been cut and sliced and diced | |
| 08:34 | magnuse | sure, that's to be expected... :-/ |
| 08:35 | kf | seeing yourself is never nice somehow |
| 08:35 | you have to trust us .) | |
| 08:35 | rangi | i think you did well |
| 08:36 | joann | thank you |
| 08:36 | magnuse | i think so too! |
| 08:37 | kf | what they said |
| 08:37 | joann | yeah but guys are all lovcely :) |
| 08:37 | Oak | true |
| 08:37 | magnuse | and we loves ya! |
| 08:37 | kf | :) |
| 08:39 | joann | :) |
| 08:39 | ibeardslee | yes well done |
| 08:39 | joann | id really like to see the tv1 story but cant get it toload at all |
| 08:40 | that Child of mine is downloading some game updates using steam, and it consumes 100% of our bandwidth for a week | |
| 08:40 | ibeardslee | heh |
| 08:41 | joann | we are hardly speaking to him at the moment - and he is all pink faced and studiously ignoring us |
| 08:42 | kf | oh |
| 08:45 | magnuse | hehe |
| 08:47 | fredericd | joann: nice to see you! (on tv) |
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| 08:50 | kf | fredericd: were you able to solve your sip problem? |
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| 08:57 | joann | have to give up on loading the tvnz show and watch it tomorrow |
| 08:57 | magnuse | kia ora paul_p |
| 08:58 | rangi | heya paul_p |
| 08:58 | joann | heya paul |
| 08:58 | rangi | and hiya hdl and fredericd |
| 08:59 | kf | hi paul_p and hdl |
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| 09:02 | * rangi | would jsut like to assure paul_p there is no conspiracy to give you the ball and not let you play |
| 09:02 | rangi | rugby_analogies++ |
| 09:02 | magnuse | hehe |
| 09:02 | kf | heh :) |
| 09:03 | AmitG | heya kf |
| 09:03 | :D | |
| 09:03 | kf | hi AmitG |
| 09:05 | jo joined #koha | |
| 09:06 | magnuse | ooh, both jo and joann? |
| 09:06 | ;-) | |
| 09:08 | fredericd | kf: No, but I had confirmation that it works with some Self Check and it doesn't with others... |
| 09:08 | kf | fredericd: werid, perhaps something in the configuration settings? |
| 09:08 | fredericd | So I suppose that the recent modification of SIP server transport layer has broke few self checks support... |
| 09:09 | kf | fredericd: we also have 3m in one of our libraries... a bit worried about updating now |
| 09:09 | fredericd: it might be the line endings | |
| 09:10 | fredericd | Yes, or the autflush |
| 09:10 | autoflush | |
| 09:11 | rangi | hmm |
| 09:12 | we have it running with a 3m machine for waitaki libraries, no issues yet | |
| 09:12 | but ill keep an eye out now :) | |
| 09:12 | kf | fredericd: talked to Uli - no new ideas, but he thinks it could be the line endings |
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| 09:13 | kf | fredericd: he thinks there might be a way to configure it in the software of the self check -but we are not sure |
| 09:13 | rangi | wb paul_p |
| 09:13 | fredericd | thanks. If it works with others 3M SC, I will examine this specific device configuration |
| 09:13 | paul_p | hello back (vpn connection...) |
| 09:14 | kf | wb paul |
| 09:14 | * rangi | wonders if paul missed his joke? |
| 09:16 | paul_p | rangi, yes, your wb was the 1st thing I saw |
| 09:16 | AmitG | heya pual |
| 09:16 | rangi | ahhh |
| 09:17 | * rangi | would just like to assure paul_p there is no conspiracy to give you the ball and not let you play, except in the innagrual kohacon rugby match in scotland :) |
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| 09:17 | paul_p | lol ! |
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| 09:24 | Smita | Hi I am a newbe to Koha. have just installed 3.4. have totally confused my self with setting up cir rules as a result cannot place hold, can anyone help me please |
| 09:25 | rangi | http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]ules-in-koha-3-4/ |
| 09:25 | this might help | |
| 09:25 | a nice video of how to configure them | |
| 09:25 | magnuse | paul_p++ for some excellent replies on that now famous blogpost |
| 09:26 | * paul_p | has decided to stop feeding the troll though... |
| 09:27 | rangi | yeah, it was very trolly |
| 09:27 | but i think ppl did well keeping it on topic | |
| 09:27 | magnuse | good call! |
| 09:27 | rangi | Smita: also have you seen http://manual.koha-community.o[…]tml#circfinerules |
| 09:30 | Oak | kf, what's the title for the person who signs off bugs? |
| 09:31 | kf | um |
| 09:31 | i think it would fall under bug wrangler perhaps? | |
| 09:31 | not sure we have a real role name for it | |
| 09:31 | magnuse | 'patch signer' |
| 09:31 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nt-patch_Workflow | |
| 09:31 | kf | Oak: which reminds me I have not answered your mail :( |
| 09:32 | Oak | :) no worries |
| 09:32 | kf | Oak: I am so sorry! wanted to look what is all on the wiki before I write you back |
| 09:32 | some of your manual is covered there | |
| 09:32 | Oak | no problem at all kf |
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| 09:37 | Oak | thank you magnuse :) |
| 09:41 | magnuse | np Oak |
| 09:42 | * rangi | goes to sleep |
| 09:43 | magnuse | sleep tight rangi |
| 09:43 | kf | good night rangi |
| 09:43 | mtj | http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/c[…]z_software-00.ogg |
| 09:43 | * mtj | just listened to it now |
| 09:45 | mtj | was nice to hear Rach being interviewed (in the kitchen doing dishes?) |
| 09:46 | Smita | They interviewed Joann on national Tv, here in NZ, everyone in Nz is up in arms |
| 09:47 | It has created an awarness about Koha in common man in NZ, whcih is good thing, NZ is good in protesting | |
| 09:49 | mtj | nice positive comments from maori trademark lawyer Lynell Huria, too |
| 09:49 | AmitG | heya mtj |
| 09:50 | mtj | hi amit - back in nz now :) |
| 09:50 | AmitG | aah! :D |
| 09:50 | mtj: how is your Goa and Kerala trip | |
| 09:51 | mtj | i'm pretty keen to see Jo on TV.... |
| 09:51 | AmitG | mtj: can you share the link :D |
| 09:52 | Smita | Going back cir rules, have I inderstood it corretlt , that i need to delete the random ones i have created and start from scratch. i need to create a default one and replicate it for all branches will that work / |
| 09:52 | mtj | AmitG: we didnt get to kerala :( goa was too nice - so we stayed in goa, the whole time after kohacon |
| 09:52 | rode scooters all over the place! | |
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| 09:54 | mtj | we stayed around vagator, mostly - was really relaxing, after the madness of mumbai :p |
| 09:54 | AmitG | hmm |
| 09:56 | magnuse | Smita: that sounds like a good plan to me |
| 09:58 | Smita | Thanks.Will try it tommorrow, so that i can get my test case Ronnie Ballard be able to put hold on Harry Potter books. i am taking it to demo and set up koha at Nadi Library , Fiji. next week |
| 10:06 | Oak | class time |
| 10:06 | later guys | |
| 10:06 | magnuse | yay for koha in fiji |
| 10:08 | now if only i could understand why i have biblioitems.marcxml with 952s in them in *one* of my 3.4.5 installs... | |
| 10:12 | kf | forgot to run the script? |
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| 10:13 | magnuse | yeah, almost looks like it, but i can't really believe that either... it *is*the most plausible explanation, though... |
| 10:16 | kf | hm |
| 10:17 | productive system? | |
| 10:17 | magnuse | yup :-( |
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| 10:31 | kf | hm |
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| 11:56 | mib_xjcvw2 | Morning all |
| 11:56 | I have a site just upgraded to 3.6 | |
| 11:57 | and the item status isn't updating when an item is checked in | |
| 11:57 | also, if a bib is edited, all items dissappear! | |
| 11:57 | has anyone come across this? | |
| 11:59 | kf | from which version did you update? |
| 11:59 | are you using zebra? | |
| 11:59 | mib_xjcvw2 | yes, we'te using zebra |
| 11:59 | version was old.... | |
| 11:59 | kf | ok |
| 11:59 | mib_xjcvw2 | maybe 3.05 or 3.06 |
| 11:59 | kf | you have to run a sscript |
| 11:59 | it's in the release notes for version 3.4 | |
| 12:00 | with 3.4 koha removed the items information from the marcxml blobs in the database, only keeping them in the items table now | |
| 12:00 | mib_xjcvw2 | Oh.....thanks, I will check it out - sorry |
| 12:00 | kf | no problem :) |
| 12:00 | hope it works | |
| 12:01 | mib_xjcvw2 | Me too! I will let you know.. |
| 12:11 | kmkale | @quote random |
| 12:11 | huginn | kmkale: Quote #3: "< bignose-work> the only constant in climate over the next several decades will be that the climate doesn't match what you just got used to." (added by chris at 01:55 AM, June 12, 2009) |
| 12:13 | kf | @quote random |
| 12:13 | huginn | kf: Quote #166: "jcamins: this is IRC. There's a several decade long tradition of lurking." (added by wizzyrea at 03:06 PM, November 17, 2011) |
| 12:13 | kf | :) |
| 12:13 | kmkale | hi kf :) |
| 12:17 | @quote random | |
| 12:17 | huginn | kmkale: Quote #110: "chris: im rm, not god" (added by kf at 10:20 AM, December 08, 2010) |
| 12:17 | kf | hm |
| 12:17 | kmkale | @weather thane |
| 12:17 | huginn | kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 32.0°C (5:10 PM IST on November 23, 2011). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:17 | kf | I am looking for the pref that controls if a serials shows you the items or the subscription tab first |
| 12:18 | kmkale | @roulett |
| 12:18 | huginn | kmkale: I suck |
| 12:18 | kf | @roulette :) |
| 12:18 | huginn | kf: (roulette [spin]) -- Fires the revolver. If the bullet was in the chamber, you're dead. Tell me to spin the chambers and I will. |
| 12:18 | kmkale | @roulett spin |
| 12:18 | huginn | kmkale: I suck |
| 12:18 | kmkale | @roulett spin |
| 12:18 | huginn | kmkale: I suck |
| 12:18 | kmkale | @roulett |
| 12:18 | huginn | kmkale: I suck |
| 12:19 | kmkale | humm. Poor huggin. Needs some ammo |
| 12:19 | kf | kmkale: spelling isseu :) |
| 12:19 | you wer emissing an e | |
| 12:19 | kmkale | aahh |
| 12:19 | @roulette | |
| 12:19 | huginn | kmkale: *click* |
| 12:19 | kmkale | @roulette spin |
| 12:19 | huginn | *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky? |
| 12:19 | kmkale | @roulette |
| 12:19 | huginn | kmkale: *click* |
| 12:19 | kmkale | @roulette spin |
| 12:19 | huginn | *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky? |
| 12:19 | kmkale | @roulette |
| 12:19 | kmkale was kicked by huginn: BANG! | |
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| 12:19 | * huginn | reloads and spins the chambers. |
| 12:19 | kf | although I should not help you doing that |
| 12:20 | kmkale | hah |
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| 13:07 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7254] Show pending orders from baskets with closedate > 180 days <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7254> |
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| 13:38 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:40 | nengard | morning oleonard |
| 13:42 | kf | hi oleonard |
| 13:42 | hi nengard | |
| 13:42 | :) | |
| 13:42 | nengard | hiya kf |
| 13:46 | magnuse | kia ora! |
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| 14:09 | oleonard | Wow, if I ever want Slashdot's interest I'll be sure to misspell something in the submission. |
| 14:10 | magnuse | hehe |
| 14:11 | sounds like a good choice ;-) | |
| 14:12 | oleonard | I'm also surprised at how many commenters say "Blergh, I don't understand this article, can someone explain?" |
| 14:15 | * oleonard | was never a Slashdot reader even in its heyday |
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| 14:28 | chris_n | paul_p: I responded to your dev list post |
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| 14:59 | * oleonard | forgot that the old kohadocs.org got swallowed up and digested by PTFS too |
| 15:04 | nengard | oleonard i think that gmcharlt had a backup of that on his server ? |
| 15:05 | oleonard | I had my own copy of what I set out to find there |
| 15:05 | I'm resurrecting it on my library's site | |
| 15:05 | It came with an explicit GPL license :) | |
| 15:06 | * jcamins | dies of heat prostration. |
| 15:06 | oleonard | my_former_boss++ |
| 15:06 | http://www.myacpl.org/library/koha/koha-diary | |
| 15:07 | A little prior art for PTFS | |
| 15:09 | jcamins | nengard: bug 7256 is long-standing. |
| 15:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7256 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Circulation Log Wrong |
| 15:09 | wizzyrea | hee |
| 15:10 | jcamins | Oh, it's been marked as a duplicate. |
| 15:10 | * jcamins | stops talking. |
| 15:10 | nengard | and i did say it was long standing :) just didn't search for a report like i should have |
| 15:10 | :) | |
| 15:11 | jcamins | I think there's another bug about it, from a while ago. |
| 15:11 | * jcamins | reported this waaaaaaaayyy back. |
| 15:12 | jcamins | Long enough ago that when I reported it, I suspect no one knew who I was. |
| 15:13 | (i.e. no one winced when my nick went from jcamins_away to jcamins;) | |
| 15:15 | * oleonard | sees a lot of GPL'ed documents on the old kohadocs.org that got erased by PTFS's abandonment of the site |
| 15:15 | kf | heh |
| 15:16 | oleonard | ...although most of them are probably only of historical interest |
| 15:16 | kf | probably, but still hope we have copies somewhere |
| 15:24 | jcamins | Wow. |
| 15:25 | * jcamins | sees the news. |
| 15:26 | oleonard | ? |
| 15:26 | jcamins | oleonard: nengard has a nice post summarizing some of the articles on the trademark dispute. |
| 15:27 | oleonard | Yeah, she's been hard at work |
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| 15:27 | * nengard | loves zotero :) |
| 15:27 | oleonard | nengard++ |
| 15:27 | nengard | http://www.web2learning.net/archives/4910 |
| 15:27 | jcamins | And the dispute made it to the front page of /r/opensource and slashdot, apparently. |
| 15:27 | kf | hm |
| 15:27 | writing some release notes in german | |
| 15:27 | paul_p | mmm... very private things on the diary : Would you be willing to wait until January to receive payment? |
| 15:27 | kf | * Allow patron update script (on OPAC) to send email using the from address of the patron |
| 15:27 | paul_p | To say the truth... I PREFER to be paid after january 2003... for taxes reasons. In fact, I planned to ask you to wait until january to pay if I won the RFP... (NO PROBLEM WITH IT though. I find funny to read 8 years old emails...) |
| 15:27 | kf | someone remembers what this was about? |
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| 15:29 | jcamins | kf: changes the from address when patrons request a change to their record. |
| 15:29 | kf | the mail goes to the library I thought? |
| 15:29 | or the answer address? | |
| 15:29 | jcamins | The messages goes to the librarian, with the patron's address in the from: field. |
| 15:30 | kf | ah |
| 15:30 | so you can answer directly | |
| 15:30 | jcamins | Right. |
| 15:30 | * jcamins | has never tried that feature. |
| 15:30 | kf | thx :) |
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| 15:31 | jcamins | paul_p: I'm confused about the updatedatabase thing. |
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| 15:32 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7167] updatedatabase improvements <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167> |
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| 15:32 | jcamins | paul_p: your proposal is that everything to be backported to 3.6.x has to be implemented twice? |
| 15:33 | * chris_n | reads it that way |
| 15:33 | kf | perhaps chris_n's solution will be a lot less trouble |
| 15:33 | chris_n | I'm wondering what real objection there could be in moving 3.6.x to the proposed new update system |
| 15:33 | kf | I am not sure at all what we gain with the new process :( |
| 15:34 | it seems we only make it easier to have local database customizatons | |
| 15:34 | which I am not sure is a good idea at all | |
| 15:34 | jcamins | chris_n: that's how I read it, too, but it seems a lot more complicated. |
| 15:34 | paul_p | jcamins, right. |
| 15:34 | chris_n, I don't understand your last email. | |
| 15:34 | jcamins | kf: the new way of managing updatedatabase seems much preferable to me, but not having two different schemes. |
| 15:34 | paul_p: why? | |
| 15:35 | paul_p: it seems to me that having two schemes just raises the barrier for entry. | |
| 15:35 | paul_p | ( jcamins right for "everything to be ... implemented twice". At least it was. With the idea of having updatedatabase30to36 then updatedatabase (new one), that's ok) |
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| 15:35 | paul_p | jcamins, right, that's why, now i'm proposing just to have 2 updatedatabase, as we had when upgrading 2.2 to 3.0 |
| 15:36 | chris_n, I don't understand your last email. | |
| 15:36 | chris_n | what a time to be kiked by bip |
| 15:36 | jcamins | paul_p: so with the two, new things will be in upgradedatabase only, and old things will be in upgradedatabase30to36 only? |
| 15:36 | kf | paul_p: that sounds complicated to me - for the libraries |
| 15:36 | lots of explanations needed | |
| 15:36 | jcamins | So that new features only need one implementation? |
| 15:36 | chris_n | paul_p: moving 3.6.x to the proposed new updatedatabase will relieve a lot of work |
| 15:36 | kf | when you come from that version, do this... when you come from this... do soemthing else |
| 15:36 | chris_n | both for devs and the RMaint |
| 15:37 | jcamins | kf: no, not too bad... 3.6.1.whatever would run updatedatabase30to36. |
| 15:37 | chris_n | as I said, I see no real reason not to move 3.6.x along that path |
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| 15:38 | chris_n | the current updatedatabase.pl could contain an update which pushes current installs over to the new system |
| 15:38 | paul_p | chris_n & jcamins & kf, I think i'm not clear, but that's the easiest way. I'll try to be clear: |
| 15:38 | chris_n | so then you just go on living like you normally would and life is good |
| 15:38 | jcamins | chris_n: agreed. |
| 15:38 | chris_n | well, most of the time ;-) |
| 15:38 | kf | chris_n: sounds good to me |
| 15:39 | paul_p | - patches that introduce an updatedb, that is for 3.6 will be in the 3.6 updatedatabase |
| 15:39 | - patch that introduce an updatedb that is for 3.8 will be in the 3.8 (new) updatedatabase | |
| 15:39 | kf | can't the new system check for the version? and not ask to do those that are marked to be in 3.6? |
| 15:39 | paul_p | - someone upgrading from 3.4 to 3.8 will just have to run updatedatabase (3.6) THEN updatedatabase (3.8) |
| 15:40 | chris_n | that will probably work as well as the current need of devs writing two patches for 3.4.x and 3.6.x |
| 15:40 | jcamins | paul_p: that seems like an added complication. |
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| 15:40 | chris_n | it does not happen that way very often.. oleonard excepted |
| 15:40 | mib_87cyjt | Hey all |
| 15:40 | paul_p | jcamins, why ? it's much much more complex to backport the new system to 3.6 ! (and much more risky !) |
| 15:40 | kf | chris_n: I think you are right - having to write patches for 2 systems is hard, and moving from one to the other will be too |
| 15:40 | what happens later with the new system? | |
| 15:40 | mib_87cyjt | I was on earlier about a strange problem with 3.6 |
| 15:40 | jcamins | paul_p: why can't the new updatedatabase call the old one (or the old one upgrade itself to the new one)? |
| 15:40 | paul_p | kf, right, and with this proposal, we don't have this problem |
| 15:41 | kf | won't we have that problem again? moving from 3.8.3 to 4.0? |
| 15:41 | I think this is all the problems we get by delinearizing... | |
| 15:41 | mib_87cyjt | Edited or checked in items show as either still checked out or it zero-ises the items on the bib |
| 15:41 | kf | it will happen constantly |
| 15:41 | paul_p | kf, hopefully, the updatedatabase system is not changed everyday !!! |
| 15:41 | jcamins | paul_p: but, if we don't backport the system to 3.6, 3.6 won't get bugfixes. |
| 15:41 | kf | no |
| 15:41 | but hwo will the system now? | |
| 15:41 | chris_n | in reality, multi-version upgrades should do sequential calls to the respective version's updatedatabase.pl |
| 15:41 | kf | know |
| 15:41 | ? | |
| 15:41 | which updates to apply? | |
| 15:42 | jcamins | kf: it has a list of possible updates and a list of updates which have been applied. |
| 15:42 | paul_p | jcamins, why ? yes it will. and bugfixes with an updatedatabase will be made on 3.6 updatedatabase. nothing changed |
| 15:42 | kf | jcamins: checking by name? |
| 15:42 | jcamins | paul_p: because I only have time to write code once. |
| 15:42 | kf | so I have the file applied in 3.8.x and 4.0.x will have the file too, but know it's the same? |
| 15:42 | paul_p | chris_n, sequential calls = right, as we did for 2.2-> 3.0 for example |
| 15:42 | jcamins | paul_p: actually, I don't even have time for that. |
| 15:42 | paul_p | jcamins, but you'll just have to write code once !!! |
| 15:42 | jcamins | kf: probably by some sort of hash. |
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| 15:42 | jcamins | paul_p: okay, I'm still confused then. |
| 15:43 | paul_p | if your code is a bugfix, and should be applied on 3.6, use "3.6 updatedatabase" system |
| 15:43 | jcamins | I thought you were saying that 3.6 will require a different set of code for updatedatabase than will master. |
| 15:43 | paul_p | if your code is an ENH, use 3.8 new system |
| 15:43 | jcamins | paul_p: but then bugfixes won't go in 3.8? |
| 15:43 | paul_p | jcamins, not at all. |
| 15:43 | chris_n | paul_p: so if the 3.6.x updatedatabase.pl has a routine to switch over to the new update system, then things will go fine during multi-version updates |
| 15:44 | so why maintain two different tracks? | |
| 15:44 | jcamins | How do they get into 3.8, then, if the updatedatabase is for 3.6? |
| 15:44 | paul_p | jcamins, not either = if you write in 3.8 release notes : "execute installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase 1st, then head to admin > update database", that will do the job ! |
| 15:44 | jcamins | Ohhh. |
| 15:44 | I see. | |
| 15:45 | * chris_n | still sees no reason to maintain two different systems |
| 15:45 | * jcamins | either, but at least now I understand what paul_p is saying. |
| 15:45 | jcamins | I think. |
| 15:45 | paul_p | chris_n, how would you do to have just 1 ? |
| 15:45 | chris_n | and at present is not persuaded to support such a move |
| 15:46 | paul_p: port the new code back to 3.6.x | |
| 15:46 | the two codebases are not that divergent atm | |
| 15:46 | so there should be little problem doing so | |
| 15:46 | or | |
| 15:46 | paul_p | chris_n, yikes ! would require a LOT of testings + change of behaviour in the middle of a stable version : i think i'm strongly against this idea to backport ! |
| 15:47 | chris_n | make the move at the last moment prior to releasing 3.8.x |
| 15:47 | * chris_n | sees a deadlock looming |
| 15:47 | paul_p | chris_n, for users, that will be the case |
| 15:47 | chris_n | it needs to be for devs too |
| 15:47 | paul_p | for developers, that could be a little bit more tricky. But we're hackers, isn't it ? |
| 15:47 | * kf | goes silent out of confusion |
| 15:48 | chris_n | many fixes which require db updates will not make it into 3.6.x simply because folks do not take time to do the work twice |
| 15:48 | I already have this problem | |
| 15:48 | introducing two db update methods will only make it twice as much a problem, imho | |
| 15:49 | paul_p | chris_n, NO = if a patch has to go into 3.6.x => it MUST be "old method". |
| 15:49 | chris_n | right, which will result in people not taking time to do that |
| 15:49 | paul_p | if a patch is an ENH, then it will be for 3.8 => it MUST be "new method" |
| 15:49 | chris_n | and 3.6.x looses some needed fixes |
| 15:49 | paul_p | chris_n, why ? they would have to do only 1 method |
| 15:49 | chris_n | this happened with 3.2.x nearly as soon as the switch to TT took place |
| 15:50 | paul_p: what about bugfixes which require db updates? | |
| 15:50 | those will be lost unless everyone takes time to do the double work | |
| 15:50 | paul_p | chris_n, why double work ? there would be just a "old method" updatedatabase |
| 15:51 | * paul_p | feel there's some misunderstanding between us |
| 15:51 | kf | and how do we solve the bug in 3.7? |
| 15:51 | * chris_n | too |
| 15:51 | kf | I thik we all got very confused |
| 15:51 | chris_n | what kf said |
| 15:51 | kf | not only me |
| 15:51 | chris_n | is exactly the issue |
| 15:51 | the bug will be in 3.6.x && 3.7.x | |
| 15:51 | thus, double work | |
| 15:52 | devs will be fixing for 3.7.x | |
| 15:52 | paul_p | kf, what kind of "bug" ? if it's a bugfix, then it will be fixed with the old updatedatabase system |
| 15:52 | chris_n | not 3.6.x |
| 15:52 | * chris_n | is confused now |
| 15:52 | chris_n | are we going to maintain two db update systems in 3.7? |
| 15:52 | paul_p | yep. |
| 15:52 | kf | paul_p: you assume noone installs master |
| 15:52 | which people do | |
| 15:52 | paul_p | kf, good point ! (very good point in fact...) |
| 15:53 | kf | we have to keep them in sync |
| 15:53 | or we will get into all kind of trouble (imho) | |
| 15:53 | paul_p | kf, right |
| 15:54 | chris_n | paul_p: I think if we don't back port the new method, we wait to drop it in immediately after the feature freeze of 3.7 |
| 15:54 | kf | I think chris_n is worried about having 2 methods |
| 15:54 | chris_n | that will minimize confusion |
| 15:54 | and work | |
| 15:54 | kf | and you are worried to backport, because it might be dangerous utnil it's better tested |
| 15:54 | chris_n | and <your-favorite-term> |
| 15:54 | kf | so perhaps we can find another way |
| 15:54 | or not... but somethign that works for all situations that can appear | |
| 15:55 | paul_p | chris_n, nope, because how will you manage ENH inclusion in 3.8 ? old method ? |
| 15:55 | chris_n | I really don't anticipate many issues with a new db update system that has been throughly tested prior to committing to master |
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| 15:55 | chris_n | paul_p: exactly |
| 15:55 | jcamins | So what you're proposing is: All bugfixes are implemented using the existing numbered updatedatabase scheme, so that they can be put in 3.6. They are also added to 3.8 in the same way. All features are implemented using the new, hash-based updatedatabase scheme. Those cannot be backported to 3.8. |
| 15:56 | What about bugfixes for 3.10/3.8/3.6? | |
| 15:57 | * chris_n | urges all to remember that releases are only maintained as long as there are commits applicable to them |
| 15:57 | paul_p | I can't argue why, but I feel there will be a problem with chris_n suggestion |
| 15:57 | chris_n | so if we make it too hard, the release dies an early, and possibly untimely death |
| 15:57 | paul_p | (tries to find why) |
| 15:57 | kf | perhaps we should resume the discussion tomorrowß |
| 15:57 | so everyone has some time to think about it? | |
| 15:57 | jcamins | Very untimely, since lots of people don't use .0 releases. |
| 15:57 | paul_p | kf++ |
| 15:58 | kf | perhaps set a time |
| 15:58 | chris_n | paul_p: is the new code so unstable that you fear problems with it in production? |
| 15:58 | * chris_n | agrees this needs discussion by a larger audience of devs |
| 15:58 | paul_p | chris_n, no, but it still must be tested ;-) |
| 15:58 | * jcamins | thinks tomorrow isn't a good day for USians. |
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| 15:58 | chris_n | it is entirely possible that it is simply a communication issue ;-) |
| 15:59 | paul_p | (and someone from bywater is a must-have, as bywater uses master !) |
| 15:59 | kf | chris_n: what is tomorrow? |
| 15:59 | wahanui | well, tomorrow is pizza friday! or the day after today. |
| 15:59 | chris_n | kf: thanksgiving day |
| 15:59 | no wahanui | |
| 15:59 | no pizza on thanksgiving | |
| 15:59 | only turkey | |
| 15:59 | :-) | |
| 15:59 | jcamins | chris_n: speak for yourself! |
| 15:59 | nengard | what do you need a bywater person for? |
| 15:59 | wasn't keeping up | |
| 15:59 | paul_p | turkey pizza maybe ? |
| 15:59 | jcamins | Turkey pizza! |
| 15:59 | chris_n | jcamins: turkey pizza? |
| 15:59 | jcamins | :D |
| 15:59 | nengard | eww |
| 16:00 | jcamins | Apparently my jokes are predictable? |
| 16:00 | paul_p | nengard, ;-) we were speaking of the proposal for new updatedatabase system, that cause a problem for ppl running master if we apply it as it's implemented for now ! |
| 16:00 | nengard | oh! |
| 16:00 | chris_n | paul_p: I'd like to see discussion from some others on this prior to formulating my own final opinion |
| 16:00 | nengard | I have to admit I was following that proposal for a bit then it got confusing |
| 16:01 | chris_n | I'm against it in practice, but not necessarily in principle at this point |
| 16:01 | jcamins | nengard: it's still confusing, sorry. |
| 16:01 | paul_p | workaround idea: have 2 "version" sysprefs, one for the old system, one for the new one |
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| 16:02 | paul_p | i've another idea = completly disconnect the new system from the previous numbering. That's how it was planned before. I'll ask jonathan about this idea |
| 16:02 | chris_n | paul_p: do you have a working branch with this new db update code available for test? |
| 16:03 | paul_p | chris_n, just submitting the patches on but 7161 |
| 16:03 | jcamins | paul_p: +1 |
| 16:03 | paul_p | bug 7167 |
| 16:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , updatedatabase improvements |
| 16:03 | chris_n | those apply over master? |
| 16:03 | paul_p | jcamins, for which proposition ? |
| 16:03 | chris_n, yep | |
| 16:03 | jcamins | paul_p: second. |
| 16:03 | paul_p | see comment 5 for test plan |
| 16:03 | * chris_n | will try to take time to exercise the code and see if his understanding clears up |
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| 16:04 | jcamins | paul_p: that's what chris_n and I have been arguing for, more-or-less. |
| 16:04 | At least, I think chris_n and I agree. | |
| 16:04 | ;) | |
| 16:05 | chris_n | at this point, I think the new db code should be throughly tested, debugged, and go live immediately |
| 16:05 | but I reserve the right to change my opinion... ;-) | |
| 16:06 | kf | heh |
| 16:06 | so have another meeting perhaps? | |
| 16:06 | to discuss this? | |
| 16:06 | after thanksgiving | |
| 16:06 | jcamins | I agree with that, provided it does not use the existing versioning syspref. If it uses the existing versioning syspref, that'll cause problems with the 3.6->3.8 conversion. |
| 16:06 | chris_n | it would be good to have a called meeting for just this subject to include as many devs as possible |
| 16:07 | jcamins | Agreed. |
| 16:07 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:08 | chris_n | paul_p: would you be willing to post an announcement to the dev list scheduling such a meeting? |
| 16:10 | slef | has/could anyone design(ed) a leaflet soliciting donations to HLT for the legal defence of Koha? We've an opportunity to distribute some to librarians but no time to design them (and it's a bit tight to print them) |
| 16:10 | kf | i haven't seen any leaflets yet :( |
| 16:11 | perhaps in nz? | |
| 16:11 | jcamins | paul_p: I withdraw my objection to using the versioning syspref with the new system. chris_n has explained to me how it could work. |
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| 16:12 | * Oak | waves |
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| 16:21 | mib_87cyjt | Edited or checked in items show as either still checked out or it zero-ises the items on the bib |
| 16:21 | has anyone seen this on 3.6? | |
| 16:21 | kf | since an update? |
| 16:22 | and have you been here before? :) | |
| 16:22 | mib_87cyjt | Yep |
| 16:22 | and | |
| 16:22 | yep! | |
| 16:22 | I ran the script and it resolved it for any items that had been changed | |
| 16:22 | however, any items now checked in or bibs edited results in the same | |
| 16:22 | jcamins | mib_87cyjt: it sounds like rebuild_zebra isn't running. |
| 16:22 | kf | very good questions from marcel on the list |
| 16:23 | jcamins | How did you install Koha? |
| 16:23 | mib_87cyjt | me? |
| 16:23 | kf | mib_87cyjt: have you reindexed? |
| 16:23 | mib_87cyjt | jcamins: |
| 16:23 | Yeah, full bib reindex - completed fine | |
| 16:23 | it fixed the problem with bibs but it still causes problems with any newly edited bibs or items checked in | |
| 16:23 | jcamins | mib_87cyjt: yes, you. |
| 16:24 | mib_87cyjt | Sorry, I don't understand - what do you mean, how did I install? |
| 16:24 | jcamins | mib_87cyjt: you have Koha running on a server. You must have put it on the server somehow. |
| 16:24 | Did you use packages? | |
| 16:24 | Install it by downloading the tarball? | |
| 16:24 | Using git? | |
| 16:25 | mib_87cyjt | OK, I understand now. I downloaded the latest stable release and manuall installed it |
| 16:25 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 16:25 | slef | kf: I'll ask the nz chatters when they wake. |
| 16:25 | mib_87cyjt | sorry - upgraded it |
| 16:25 | jcamins | Ah-ha. What did you upgrade from? 3.0.something? |
| 16:25 | mib_87cyjt | it was on 3.00x - to be honest I don't remember the exact version - maybe 2 years old |
| 16:26 | paul_p | jcamins & kf & chris_n = idea suggested by joubu = preference("version") is unmodified until 3.8 official release. Thus, the 3.6 updatedatabase will continue to work fine. The new updatesystem can be completly disconnected from this syspref, so we will get the best of the 2 worlds ! |
| 16:26 | jcamins | Yeah, the problem is that you were using zebraqueue daemon. You need to disable that, and set up the cron job using rebuild_zebra. |
| 16:26 | If you take a look in INSTALL.debian, you'll see how to do that. | |
| 16:26 | mib_87cyjt | I was/am using both |
| 16:27 | slef | jcamins: any problem with the marc-in-items change? |
| 16:27 | mib_87cyjt | zebraqueue updates authorities immediately |
| 16:27 | kf | paul_p: taht makes sense, but we should check the different situations we can get into |
| 16:27 | slef | items-in-marc even |
| 16:27 | jcamins | You can't use both. You can only use one. |
| 16:27 | zebraqueue daemon is fundamentally broken. | |
| 16:27 | mib_87cyjt | Can't I use that in 3.6? |
| 16:27 | jcamins | No. |
| 16:27 | slef: good call. | |
| 16:27 | kf | paul_p: because we need to tell the new system still which things should not be applied then because they were in older versions already |
| 16:27 | chris_n | paul_p: i'd like to see a working example where the same patch works for both branches running two different systems before I really comment on that option |
| 16:27 | mib_87cyjt | OK. So, do I need to wait x minutes for new Auths to appear when creating a bib? |
| 16:27 | jcamins | mib_87cyjt: did you follow the instructions to run removeitemsfrombiblioitems or whatever it is? |
| 16:27 | mib_87cyjt | cron = x minutes |
| 16:27 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 16:28 | mib_87cyjt | oh, that's going to be difficult for cataloguing 100s of new bibs - is there a work around? |
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| 16:28 | slef | mib_87cyjt: there's a project to make a new zebraqueue daemon but it's not finished in 3.6 AIUI. |
| 16:28 | jcamins | mib_87cyjt: not at present, no. |
| 16:28 | slef | @query zebraqueue daemon |
| 16:28 | huginn | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6435 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , False "no items" in search results [intranet] |
| 16:28 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6590 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, juan.sieira, ASSIGNED , Removing hyphens from isbn and issn when cataloging a biblio | |
| 16:28 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6094 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Fixing ModAuthority problems | |
| 16:28 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5166 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Reintroduce a zebraqueue daemon, make several rebuild_zebra.pl functions a lib | |
| 16:28 | mib_87cyjt | OK. The removeitems..... just has a run switch, that's all I did - is that correct? |
| 16:28 | slef | that last one is it |
| 16:29 | jcamins | mib_87cyjt: that's right. If you did that, then the problem is just the cron job. |
| 16:29 | Just trying to make sure we're thorough in our advice. :) | |
| 16:29 | mib_87cyjt | Cool, so disable zebraqueue and reindex and we should be good? |
| 16:29 | jcamins | And put rebuild_zebra in the crontab. |
| 16:29 | Then you'll be good to go. | |
| 16:30 | mib_87cyjt | rebuild_zebra is already there but only every 10 mins.... |
| 16:30 | excellent, I will try this out - thanks | |
| 16:30 | jcamins | You're welcome. |
| 16:30 | I usually do 5 minutes. | |
| 16:31 | But I only have low-use catalogs. | |
| 16:31 | slef | mib_87cyjt: consider sponsoring bug 5166 if you'd like zebraqueue daemon back. |
| 16:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5166 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Reintroduce a zebraqueue daemon, make several rebuild_zebra.pl functions a lib |
| 16:31 | mib_87cyjt | Yeah, it's going to be met with some groans from the cataloguers as they loved the zebraqueue updating straight away! |
| 16:32 | jcamins | mib_87cyjt: yeah, that bothers me, too (I'm a cataloger), but I like my servers staying up even better. ;) |
| 16:32 | slef | although I see that it looks like zebraqueue daemon is ready to appear in 3.7 after some discussion on koha-devel finishes (why no link in the bug paul_p?) |
| 16:33 | jcamins | slef: really? Awesome! |
| 16:33 | * jcamins | missed that. |
| 16:33 | slef | jcamins: that's how I understand it. It's needing sign off. |
| 16:33 | mib_87cyjt | jcamins: me too! |
| 16:34 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 16:34 | slef | read the above bug link |
| 16:34 | jcamins | I'll give it a try if I ever get a spare hour. |
| 16:34 | slef | maybe I've misunderstood |
| 16:34 | my hours are for sale ;-) | |
| 16:35 | jcamins | slef: so are mine. :P |
| 16:35 | slef | jcamins: I thought they were. I was prompting you ;-) |
| 16:35 | jcamins | Ah. Thanks. |
| 16:35 | I read it the same way you do. | |
| 16:35 | slef | buy mine here http://www.software.coop/contact/ ... and jcamins at... |
| 16:35 | jcamins | Nifty! |
| 16:36 | http://www.cpbibliography.com/contact/ | |
| 16:36 | :) | |
| 16:36 | slef | (I've a niftier purchase page but bleah, not ready for primetime yet.) |
| 16:36 | jcamins | I figure most of my clientele prefers to do things with paper anyway, so an attractive shopping cart isn't very high on the to-do list. |
| 16:37 | slef | it varies but I know what you mean |
| 16:50 | wizzyrea | mornin |
| 16:51 | magnus_away | kia ora! |
| 16:51 | jcamins | Morning. |
| 16:51 | wizzyrea: apparently the datatables thing might make your reading history usable again. | |
| 16:51 | wizzyrea | noice! |
| 16:51 | jcamins | Or, at least, more usable. |
| 16:51 | wizzyrea | well we whacked around it with a firefox hack. |
| 16:51 | but that's great | |
| 16:52 | oleonard | What hack wizzyrea? |
| 16:52 | jcamins | Yeah, but wouldn't it be nice if you didn't have to take a nap while waiting for it to load? ;) |
| 16:52 | wizzyrea | increased the script timeout |
| 16:52 | from like, 15s to 60s | |
| 16:52 | * wizzyrea | is a bit gobsmacked to see k-c.org on TV |
| 16:53 | jcamins | wizzyrea: on US TV, too? |
| 16:53 | wizzyrea | no, on nz tv |
| 16:53 | oleonard | Are we on Keith Olbermann yet? |
| 16:53 | wizzyrea | thumbs up though, the server's doing just fine ;) |
| 16:53 | jcamins | Still impressive, but I was imagining a spotlight during the Thanksgiving parade. :) |
| 16:53 | wizzyrea | uhno |
| 16:54 | jcamins | Oh my... will I be downtown during the parade? |
| 16:54 | oleonard | http://screencast.com/t/rY7jUhs6JSX |
| 16:54 | jcamins | Ewwww. |
| 16:54 | oleonard: what am I looking at? | |
| 16:54 | wizzyrea | really ought to check the analytics for k-c.org |
| 16:54 | ooooo | |
| 16:54 | comments in the staff client! | |
| 16:54 | oleonard | jcamins: A number highlighting the count of unapproved comments |
| 16:54 | wizzyrea | on a dashoard type thinger |
| 16:54 | jcamins | Ah. Nice! |
| 16:54 | wizzyrea | that is super swank |
| 16:54 | i likes it | |
| 16:55 | magnus_away | oleonard++ |
| 16:55 | wizzyrea | oleonard++ |
| 16:55 | oleonard | gotta figure out how to add the option to the staff client home page |
| 16:55 | wizzyrea | *nod* that was my next question :) |
| 16:55 | purchase suggestions would be another one | |
| 16:55 | that would be great for that treatment | |
| 16:55 | jcamins | Oh, good news. It's the Thanksgiving _Day_ Parade, not the Thanksgiving _Eve_ Parade. |
| 16:56 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 16:57 | hmm looks like there needs to be a better way of handling lost | |
| 16:58 | NEKLS has a quote 123 going full speed. | |
| 16:58 | jcamins | @quote get 123 |
| 16:58 | huginn | jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 16:58 | jcamins | :) |
| 17:00 | Has anyone else noticed that diacritics in Voyager OPACs are consistently broken since the last upgrade. | |
| 17:02 | wizzyrea | https://etechlib.wordpress.com[…]e-of-open-source/ |
| 17:03 | kf | good comment from oleonard |
| 17:04 | * kf | still translates the 007 plugin |
| 17:04 | magnus_away | heh, just got a @later from huginn "Sent 14 weeks, 2 days, 11 hours, and 21 minutes ago"... |
| 17:05 | oleonard | Dashboard items: unapproved tags, unapproved comments, pending suggestions |
| 17:05 | magnus_away | yay |
| 17:05 | kf | oleonard: there is a page on the wiki |
| 17:06 | oleonard: collecting ideas for the dashboard | |
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| 17:07 | oleonard | "expected for/deadline: 2011-09-22" |
| 17:08 | wizzyrea | heh |
| 17:08 | magnus_away | "i love the sound of deadlines as they swoosh past" |
| 17:08 | or words to that effect | |
| 17:08 | oleonard | But that concept of a dashboard is pretty different. http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]aff_Dashboard_RFC |
| 17:10 | Ah, but a patch was submitted last week | |
| 17:10 | * oleonard | missed that |
| 17:14 | jcamins | It seems to me there should be some sort of library that handles dependency solving. |
| 17:15 | Granted, the traveling salesman problem is NP-Complete, but surely for a simple case, where the most efficient solution isn't required, it's been solved. | |
| 17:15 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6828] Add Admin Dashboard for staff users. <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6828> |
| 17:16 | wizzyrea | http://yro.slashdot.org/commen[…]9798&cid=38143786 oooo |
| 17:16 | well that was not what I emant to send | |
| 17:16 | but I will look at that dashboard patch | |
| 17:16 | which is what I was really ooo ing about | |
| 17:17 | oleonard | I find it kind of meh because I don't see how the information is relevant for day-to-day operations. |
| 17:17 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]hment.cgi?id=5249 | |
| 17:19 | * wizzyrea | must be missing something |
| 17:19 | oleonard | That's the dashboard patch proposed in the RFC |
| 17:20 | wizzyrea | right - i applied it and I don't see anything different |
| 17:20 | mib_87cyjt | syspref? |
| 17:20 | to turn it on | |
| 17:20 | wizzyrea | OH |
| 17:20 | :) ty | |
| 17:20 | mib_87cyjt | welcome |
| 17:20 | wizzyrea | where would I be without you super smart people. ;) |
| 17:20 | mib_87cyjt | and you need to run the xml script to populate it |
| 17:21 | perl script to populate the xml file, that is | |
| 17:22 | jcamins | The dashboard uses an XML file? |
| 17:23 | mib_87cyjt | seemingly |
| 17:24 | so the bug suggests too | |
| 17:24 | jcamins | paul_p: I will give a +1 to your proposal. |
| 17:25 | Wait, no, I'll give a +0.5. | |
| 17:25 | There's a problem when we reach 3.6.7. | |
| 17:25 | paul_p | ;-) |
| 17:25 | (I must leave, drop a mail to raise your objection pls) | |
| 17:26 | jcamins | I'll try to remember when I'm on the train. |
| 17:26 | oleonard | http://screencast.com/t/AxewTrBFxUTy |
| 17:26 | wizzyrea | +1 oleonard |
| 17:26 | * oleonard | should have looked into this earlier; dead simple stuff. |
| 17:27 | paul_p | mmm... jcamins I see the problem, and you're right. Maybe we must handle version syspref for pre 3.8 only, and another way for later... |
| 17:27 | time to leave NOW ! | |
| 17:27 | wizzyrea | bye :) |
| 17:27 | jcamins | :) |
| 17:27 | * jcamins | has an idea kicking around. |
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| 17:27 | * wizzyrea | has the syspref on, doesn't see it. |
| 17:27 | jcamins | Once it's fully baked, I'll send it. |
| 17:28 | Cookies, too. ;) | |
| 17:28 | * magnus_away | shares some "Niederegger marzipan brot" with the rest of #koha |
| 17:30 | kf | oh yum |
| 17:30 | german? | |
| 17:30 | wahanui | german is at 100% - but the strings are missing from the files |
| 17:30 | mib_87cyjt | wizzyrea: I'll see if Bar is around, he was working onit |
| 17:30 | magnuse | kf: yup |
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| 17:32 | fabio_t | good evening :) |
| 17:33 | magnuse | hiya fabio_t |
| 17:33 | Barrc | Evening all |
| 17:33 | slef | oh bum |
| 17:33 | @seen rangi | |
| 17:33 | fabio_t | hi there |
| 17:33 | wahanui | hi, fabio_t |
| 17:33 | huginn | slef: rangi was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 51 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: * rangi goes to sleep |
| 17:34 | Barrc | Just regarind the Dashboard patch |
| 17:34 | slef | rangi did work for kados-era liblime didn't he? |
| 17:34 | kf | hi fabio_t :) |
| 17:34 | slef | I didn't just dream that? |
| 17:34 | rangi | i did |
| 17:34 | kf | wah |
| 17:34 | morning :) | |
| 17:34 | slef | https://diligentroom.wordpress[…]ark/#comment-1760 |
| 17:34 | rangi | april 2007 to march 2008 |
| 17:34 | Barrc | I have left the most important script out of the patch so I will need to re-do it (Git will be the death of me!) |
| 17:34 | wizzyrea | oh no. |
| 17:34 | slef | rangi: hopefully that's factually accurate |
| 17:35 | kf | Barrc: git commit --amend :) |
| 17:35 | rangi | resigned when it was clear they were going the wrong way and wouldnt listen |
| 17:35 | mtj and russel too | |
| 17:35 | Barrc | We left the suggestions open for a while and decided the best place to start was a really (really, really) simple start. |
| 17:35 | magnuse | rangi++ |
| 17:35 | Barrc | We'll will be expaning it, hopefully |
| 17:36 | kf: thanks - I will try that, no doubt I will mess something else up though! | |
| 17:36 | rangi | in fact |
| 17:36 | clay is the only dev who didnt resign | |
| 17:36 | which says something to me | |
| 17:37 | slef | yow... opencorporates doesn't see much on US co's - http://opencorporates.com/companies/us_de/3744399 |
| 17:39 | Oak | kf, time to go home. |
| 17:40 | kf | :) |
| 17:40 | soon | |
| 17:40 | still working on the translation | |
| 17:40 | e- Magnetic audio tape on reel | |
| 17:41 | jcamins | Yay! You're getting close! |
| 17:41 | kf | subfield e is not really close |
| 17:41 | they are alphabetical | |
| 17:41 | makes for a lot of searching around too | |
| 17:41 | magnuse | smoe of those choices reads like museum of forgotten technologies... |
| 17:41 | kf | very true |
| 17:41 | wahanui | I know. That's why I said it. |
| 17:42 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 17:42 | kf | one of my favorites: e- Manned spacecraft |
| 17:43 | jcamins | kf: heh. I like that one. :) |
| 17:43 | magnuse | hm, i don't think normarc has that - too bad |
| 17:43 | kf | 785! |
| 17:44 | magnuse | on the other hand i do have a problem that i have spent all day on and still can't make head or tail of... |
| 17:45 | i can't save or edit items | |
| 17:45 | it's a dev install on a 3.4.5 codebase, shared with other installs that are not misbehaving | |
| 17:45 | kf | :( |
| 17:45 | * rangi | wanders off again |
| 17:46 | wizzyrea | javascript? |
| 17:46 | wahanui | it has been said that javascript is required for interactions with clicks |
| 17:46 | wizzyrea | jquery I mean |
| 17:46 | magnuse | the marcxml still has the items in it - that might be because the remove_items... script failed when i upgraded |
| 17:46 | rangi | i think koha is gonna be on radio again this morning |
| 17:46 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 17:46 | jcamins | magnuse: used jQuery to remove a column or a textbox or something? |
| 17:46 | magnuse | rangi: sad & cool |
| 17:46 | wizzyrea | ^^ is what I was asking |
| 17:46 | magnuse | jcamins: nope, no fancy stuff |
| 17:47 | when i add a new item, nothing happens, the number of items displayed does not change at all | |
| 17:48 | it doesn't show up here: /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/additem.pl?biblionumber=222 | |
| 17:48 | wizzyrea | the items do or do not get into the database? |
| 17:48 | magnuse | well, they get into the database, but loose a lot of info |
| 17:48 | like barcode | |
| 17:48 | wizzyrea | oh! |
| 17:48 | magnuse | it does show up here: /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl?biblionumber=222 |
| 17:49 | wizzyrea | are you on the 3.4 revision that chanted the lost status? |
| 17:49 | magnuse | but the only info is itemtype, status and last seen |
| 17:49 | wizzyrea | changed* |
| 17:49 | is the data offset at all? | |
| 17:49 | in the wrong fields? | |
| 17:49 | magnuse | nope, the table looks good |
| 17:51 | kf | 705.. |
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| 17:51 | magnuse | when i'm on /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/additem.pl?biblionumber=222 the link to edit an item looks like this: /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/additem.pl?op=edititem&biblionumber=222&itemnumber=#edititem |
| 17:52 | the itemnumber is missing | |
| 17:52 | i thought maybe that was a template thing, but other installs runing off the same codebase does not have this problem | |
| 17:53 | jcamins | magnuse: does it show up on the opac? |
| 17:53 | magnuse | i tried running remove_items... script again and it completes without errors, but without removing the items |
| 17:54 | wizzyrea | maybe gmcharlt has an idea |
| 17:54 | jcamins | Speculation: the remove_items script doesn't understand NORMARC. |
| 17:55 | magnuse | yeah, the almost emprty items show up in the opac |
| 17:55 | i tried setting marcflavor to marc21 before running the script, but no luck | |
| 17:55 | jcamins | Do *all* the records have items still in the marcxml? |
| 17:56 | magnuse | all the ones i have checked |
| 17:57 | jcamins | That's the reason for the symptoms, but I'm not sure the cause. |
| 17:57 | Did you try manually running the script? | |
| 17:58 | magnuse | yeah (is there another way?) |
| 17:58 | jcamins | Using the utility. |
| 17:58 | That comes with the packages. | |
| 17:58 | Package install, right? | |
| 17:59 | magnuse | nope, regular dev install |
| 17:59 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 17:59 | Hm. | |
| 17:59 | kf | ga- Sidelooking airborne radar (SLAR) |
| 17:59 | jcamins | I'd ask gmcharlt. |
| 17:59 | !! | |
| 18:00 | Sidelooking airborne radar? Who catalogs radar? | |
| 18:00 | kf | it's for the fernerkundungsbilder :P |
| 18:00 | magnuse | kf: is that something you are meant to create marc records for? |
| 18:01 | kf | I am quite sure ourl ibraries will never use that... |
| 18:01 | magnuse | but then again, you never know ;-) |
| 18:01 | jcamins: thanks for trying ;-) | |
| 18:01 | kf | heh right |
| 18:03 | 568 | |
| 18:06 | oleonard | This would avoid the dashboard question altogether: http://screencast.com/t/PYObAMwHz |
| 18:06 | wizzyrea | !!!! |
| 18:06 | i LOVE that | |
| 18:06 | oleonard++ | |
| 18:07 | having the other stuff is cool too of course, but that is REALLY helpful | |
| 18:07 | numbers are per library? | |
| 18:07 | or branch specific? | |
| 18:07 | chris_n | googleing "kaha trademark" is getting interesting |
| 18:07 | wizzyrea | let me rephrase - numbers are for the logged in branch? or systemwide |
| 18:08 | oleonard | Comments and tags are not recorded with branch information as far as I know |
| 18:08 | wizzyrea | *nod* cool |
| 18:08 | chris_n | kf: thinking of adding a new tool to koha? |
| 18:08 | ie SLAR? | |
| 18:08 | * oleonard | checks suggestions |
| 18:09 | wizzyrea | suggestions definitely have a branch |
| 18:09 | oleonard | I guess based on the logged-in user's home branch? |
| 18:09 | wizzyrea | *nod* perfect |
| 18:10 | kf | chris_n: only translating I fear... MARC realted things |
| 18:11 | oleonard | Ah, and the function for counting pending suggestions already takes branch into account |
| 18:15 | trea | where do i find/edit shelving locations in the staff interface? |
| 18:15 | kf | LOC auth. val. |
| 18:15 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 18:16 | she typed faster than me ;) | |
| 18:16 | kf | 952$c |
| 18:16 | heh | |
| 18:16 | wizzyrea | that's "category LOC" |
| 18:16 | kf | i- Submersible remote-sensing device |
| 18:16 | *cry* | |
| 18:17 | magnuse | tee hee |
| 18:20 | kf | 407 - getting there |
| 18:21 | magnuse | i'm guessing those are untranslated strings, or words? |
| 18:24 | kf | words |
| 18:24 | I think | |
| 18:30 | rangi | hello from the wet bus stop |
| 18:31 | * chris_n | hands rangi a poncho |
| 18:32 | mtj | hi chris's's |
| 18:32 | rangi | now on the bus |
| 18:32 | mtj: listening to nat radio? | |
| 18:32 | mtj | um, no |
| 18:32 | * mtj | flicks on the radio |
| 18:33 | chris_n | heya mtj |
| 18:33 | mtj | more Koha stuff on national-radio NZ today? |
| 18:33 | jcamins | mtj: chrises ;) |
| 18:34 | rangi | not sure but had more reporters asking last night |
| 18:34 | jcamins | Apostrophes in plurals that don't already end in -ses are a pet peeve of mine. |
| 18:36 | mtj | i heard rach's interview on nad-radio last nite - she was very succinct |
| 18:36 | wizzyrea | link anybody? |
| 18:36 | oleonard | https://www.facebook.com/note.[…]10150377460456996 |
| 18:36 | PTFS/LibLime is prepared to transfer the trademark to a non-profit Koha Foundation with the provision that the Foundation hold the trademark in trust and not enforce it against any individual, organization, or company who chooses to promote services around Koha in New Zealand. PTFS/LibLime encourages a direct dialog with Koha stakeholders to determine an equitable solution for the disposition of t | |
| 18:36 | he trademark that serves the best interests of the libraries who use Koha. | |
| 18:36 | They've got a funny way of encouraging direct dialog | |
| 18:37 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 18:37 | !!!! | |
| 18:37 | rangi | so that means they still plan to register |
| 18:37 | wizzyrea | they'll have to to transfer it |
| 18:38 | rangi | yes |
| 18:38 | so that means nothing has changed | |
| 18:38 | oleonard | It's still all promises. |
| 18:39 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 18:40 | mtj | 'PTFS/LibLime is prepared to transfer the trademark to a non-profit Koha Foundation... |
| 18:40 | ... that is not HLT | |
| 18:40 | chris_n | remembering, of course, that ptfs wants to hold controlling interest in said non-profit foundation |
| 18:40 | rangi | notice they dont say hlt |
| 18:40 | yes | |
| 18:40 | * wizzyrea | wonders if that's the foundation that they registered. |
| 18:40 | * jcamins | bets the answer is "yes." |
| 18:40 | wizzyrea | well, we have a stage atm |
| 18:40 | rangi | changes nothing, im sure objections will still proceed |
| 18:40 | wizzyrea | might as well get all the dirty laundry out? |
| 18:41 | kf | 216 |
| 18:41 | * wizzyrea | sends kf extra tea to fuel her efforts |
| 18:41 | mtj | yeah, i want that stupid letter Joshua mailed to everyone off-list, about PTFS pubished |
| 18:43 | that stupid letter that asked for people to support his 'open-letter' to ptfs | |
| 18:43 | http://web.archive.org/web/200[…]nr1233245950.html | |
| 18:43 | rangi | well they could just not register it and let hlt register it with the same promise |
| 18:44 | wizzyrea | that is a better plan |
| 18:44 | rangi | its a tactic to try to stall objections |
| 18:44 | wizzyrea | yea no, go ahead with the objections |
| 18:44 | it's still objectionable | |
| 18:44 | imo | |
| 18:45 | rangi | did the community already vote |
| 18:45 | and say hlt hold community property | |
| 18:45 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 18:45 | oleonard | Anyone have a reference for the PTFS/controlling interest issue with the foundation? |
| 18:45 | rangi | was on the wiki/email |
| 18:46 | oleonard | Ah: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ion#United_States |
| 18:46 | kf | wizzyrea: thx :) |
| 18:46 | almost done | |
| 18:46 | rangi | im not sure its worth worrying/thinking about |
| 18:46 | wizzyrea | http://koha-community.org/hlt-[…]ssions-with-ptfs/ |
| 18:47 | rangi | its something to placate their customers |
| 18:47 | wizzyrea | well and an attempt to make us look "ungrateful" |
| 18:48 | rangi | heh |
| 18:49 | yeah, thats not gonna fly, you dont do stuff behind ppls back, then when u get caught go, oh u caught us, we'll give it to someone else | |
| 18:49 | wizzyrea | i.e. "look, we 'caved' and it's not good enough" |
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| 18:50 | chris_n | heya thd-away |
| 18:50 | wizzyrea | here also: http://koha-community.org/abou[…]-committee-rules/ |
| 18:50 | rangi | yep |
| 18:50 | mtj | this is funny.... |
| 18:51 | rangi | im not worrying about it, the non profit I want to hold it is hlt |
| 18:52 | wizzyrea | well they're the elected holding entity for the community |
| 18:52 | so really the only choice. | |
| 18:52 | rangi | someone other than hlt could respond saying that |
| 18:52 | mtj | 'LibLime, by virtue of its donation of intellectual assets to the Koha Software Foundation and its standing as a major contributor would expect permanent representation on its board of directors. Initially, LibLime would request 40 percent of the positions in the board of directors, which would be reduced to 20 percent once the organization becomes financially self-supporting or after 24 months, whichever happens first.' |
| 18:52 | classic ptfs/liblime | |
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| 18:54 | mtj | on nat-radio radio now... |
| 18:54 | trea | link mtj? |
| 18:54 | rangi | dang im on the bus |
| 18:55 | mtj | ooh and don.c getting interviewed too |
| 18:55 | rangi | oh cool |
| 18:56 | mtj | and law expert from vic-uni ;) |
| 18:56 | chris_n | link? |
| 18:56 | wahanui | well, link is a bit confusing |
| 18:56 | chris_n | heh |
| 18:56 | I'll say | |
| 18:57 | wizzyrea | http://www.radionz.co.nz/natio[…]mes/morningreport but... I don't know which section it's in |
| 18:57 | rangi | he's prolly listening to the actual radio |
| 18:57 | mtj | 'Aroha Te Pareake Mead is the global Chair of the IUCN Commission on Environment, Economics and Social Policy and a Senior Lecturer in Maori Business, Victoria Management School, VUW.' |
| 18:57 | wizzyrea | or maybe it's in the 9 to noon |
| 18:57 | chris_n | do they stream audio? |
| 18:57 | mtj | no link yet, from me... |
| 18:57 | rangi | it will go as a ogg later |
| 18:57 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 18:57 | rangi | its morning report |
| 18:57 | chris_n | no real-time streaming heh? |
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| 18:58 | rangi | probably but ud have to look :) |
| 18:58 | ok my stop bbiab | |
| 18:58 | wizzyrea | oh it's probably the next one to be posted |
| 18:58 | ibeardslee | so ahh what intellectual property would they have to donate? |
| 18:59 | mtj | morning report url here, somewhere.... |
| 19:00 | http://www.radionz.co.nz/natio[…]mes/morningreport | |
| 19:00 | bah, wizz bet me to it ;p | |
| 19:00 | chris_n | ouch |
| 19:00 | they use MMS for their live stream | |
| 19:01 | kf | DONE! |
| 19:01 | chris_n | mediaplayer refuses to do that |
| 19:01 | * wizzyrea | throws confetti for kf |
| 19:01 | kf | heh :) |
| 19:01 | wizzyrea | what, you want a party too? |
| 19:01 | * wizzyrea | gets out the streamers |
| 19:01 | prepares the meatballs | |
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| 19:02 | * wizzyrea | starts inflating balloons |
| 19:02 | rents the ballroom | |
| 19:02 | kf | hmm meatballs |
| 19:02 | * wizzyrea | books the band |
| 19:02 | kf | dinner time almost over - bye all! |
| 19:02 | * wizzyrea | books the clown |
| 19:02 | books the pony too | |
| 19:02 | kf | lol |
| 19:02 | * wizzyrea | rents the bouncy house |
| 19:02 | ibeardslee | wizzyrea: meatballs taken directly from ptfs/liblime? |
| 19:03 | * wizzyrea | mixes up the sangria with extra lime |
| 19:03 | kf left #koha | |
| 19:03 | oleonard | was there an announcement on our site about HLT being voted to hold Koha assets? |
| 19:03 | magnuse | kf++ |
| 19:04 | jcamins_away | kf++ |
| 19:04 | wizzyrea | well the rules are there |
| 19:04 | http://koha-community.org/abou[…]ect-organization/ | |
| 19:04 | that could probably use an update | |
| 19:04 | but i'm not sure what to update it *to* | |
| 19:05 | oleonard | Not an easy page to parse if you're coming at it from this controversy |
| 19:05 | wizzyrea | though the committee will probably have to convene soon |
| 19:05 | because of this | |
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| 19:05 | wizzyrea | http://koha-community.org/abou[…]-committee-rules/ |
| 19:05 | also that | |
| 19:05 | wahanui | also that is probably a giant undertaking |
| 19:06 | oleonard | Oh the latter is what I was thinking you liked to. The former I hadn't been looking at. |
| 19:07 | rangi | they could just transfer their application to HLT, with hlt making the same undertaking, done |
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| 19:11 | wizzyrea | "The Horowhenua Library Trust, with the advice and consent of the Koha community, has established a committee" |
| 19:11 | *with the advice and consent of the Koha community* | |
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| 19:13 | chris_n | for being away, thd-away sure is here a lot ;-) |
| 19:15 | fabio_t | see you #koha |
| 19:15 | magnuse | hm, a little bit of progress. exporting and importing got rid of 952 in marcxml (but they are still in items table. yay! when i search in the staff client i get "no items" on everything. when i click on a title and get to normal view, items are shown. |
| 19:15 | rangi | cya fabio_t |
| 19:16 | wizzyrea | indexing magnuse? |
| 19:16 | magnuse | when i click on items tab on the left, details are shown, when i click on [Edit item], details are shown. when i try to save i get a 500 error |
| 19:16 | wizzyrea | urf. |
| 19:16 | magnuse | i have done -b -r -v |
| 19:16 | rangi | hmm |
| 19:16 | magnuse | if i'm on the normal tab and do Edit > Edit Items, no items are shown and i get "add item" instead |
| 19:17 | rangi | and you are definitely running 3.4.x or greater eh? |
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| 19:17 | magnuse | there's an error in the logs, just a sec |
| 19:17 | jcamins_away | Who moderates the kohalists.katipo.co.nz list? |
| 19:18 | rangi | i can |
| 19:18 | pastebot | "magnuse" at 84.202.196.154 pasted "500 error" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/129 |
| 19:18 | rangi | 2 secs |
| 19:18 | jcamins_away | Okay, a message is awaiting your approval. :) |
| 19:18 | rangi | done |
| 19:18 | jcamins_away | Thanks! |
| 19:18 | magnuse | rangi: yup 3.4.5 - got other dev installs running off the same code without problems |
| 19:18 | rangi | weird |
| 19:18 | try a -x -k | |
| 19:18 | magnuse | good, it's not just me then ;-) |
| 19:19 | jcamins_away | magnuse: redo the translation step, too. |
| 19:19 | rangi | -x to do xml -k to keep |
| 19:19 | magnuse | ah yes, -x! |
| 19:19 | rangi | and then you can eyeball the exported stuff |
| 19:19 | and see if it looks ok | |
| 19:19 | * jcamins_away | heads off to a meeting. |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | patron search - is there a way to get an exact string? |
| 19:20 | christ. | |
| 19:20 | some people's kids. | |
| 19:21 | magnuse | still no items in the result list |
| 19:21 | rangi | did you use -k |
| 19:21 | go look at the actual marcxml files | |
| 19:21 | see if they look ok | |
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| 19:21 | magnuse | nope, doing that now |
| 19:22 | rangi | http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/m[…]ark_battle-00.ogg |
| 19:24 | magnuse | hm, looks fine as far as i can see |
| 19:24 | wizzyrea | mtj where did you find that quote re: the foundation |
| 19:24 | magnuse | except this, which i guess is normal: |
| 19:24 | </record> | |
| 19:24 | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> | |
| 19:24 | <record | |
| 19:25 | mtj | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ion#United_States |
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| 19:25 | wizzyrea | ty mtj |
| 19:25 | magnuse | it's weird that the logs mention </collection> - that's nowhere to be seen... |
| 19:25 | rangi | http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/[…]-trademark-battle |
| 19:29 | wizzyrea | mtj: sure (re: your email) |
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| 19:31 | rangi | http://diligentroom.wordpress.[…]ark/#comment-1761 |
| 19:31 | oh this is better if it is true | |
| 19:31 | oleonard | His comment certainly differs from the press release |
| 19:31 | rangi | yes |
| 19:32 | aarkerio | hi! the best format to import Journal Articles in Koha would be MarcXML? |
| 19:32 | mtj | so, clays the sole public spokesperson for PTFS/liblime on this hot topic ...? |
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| 19:33 | magnuse | yay, that does sound a lot better |
| 19:33 | rangi | http://diligentroom.wordpress.[…]ark/#comment-1762 |
| 19:33 | aarkerio | I have some articles in bibTex format and other in XML, |
| 19:33 | mtj | jwagner: any comment jane ? |
| 19:34 | aarkerio | in what format should I pick to prepare the import? |
| 19:34 | magnuse | aarkerio: it would have to be marc to go into koha |
| 19:35 | i think the "stage for import" tool only does iso3709? | |
| 19:35 | rangi | https://twitter.com/#!/ranginu[…]39426668455542785 |
| 19:35 | magnuse | (not marcxml) |
| 19:35 | someone please correct me if i'm wrong | |
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| 19:36 | magnuse | guten abend cait |
| 19:36 | oleonard | And next we dither about under what conditions PTFS can peddle closed-source forks of Koha in NZ? |
| 19:37 | moodaepo | What the hell is a "open development ILS application" or "open development application" |
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| 19:38 | rangi | oleonard: thats easily combated |
| 19:38 | id be happy if this application was signed over, one issue at a time :) | |
| 19:38 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7259] Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools pages <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7259> |
| 19:39 | aarkerio | magnuse, thanks! Can I take this as a MARC example: |
| 19:39 | http://lib2.dss.go.th/elib/marc21/computer.html | |
| 19:39 | magnuse | rangi++ |
| 19:39 | aarkerio | and how Koha knows a new marc record starts in a file? |
| 19:39 | every empty line ? | |
| 19:39 | or 001 tag? | |
| 19:40 | magnuse | aarkerio: will you be doing programming? find a MARC module for your language - it's the only sane thing to do |
| 19:40 | chris_n | wow, go jransom |
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| 19:41 | aarkerio | magnuse, I will made a little script using : |
| 19:41 | http://search.cpan.org/~gerhar[…]/BibTeX/Parser.pm | |
| 19:42 | in order to convert BIBTEX -> MARC | |
| 19:42 | magnuse | yay for perl |
| 19:42 | aarkerio | and also XML->MARC |
| 19:42 | magnuse | if you use File::MARC et al that will take care of boundries between records etc |
| 19:43 | aarkerio | I want to write a wiki page in Koha site about how Import journal articles step by step |
| 19:43 | magnuse | oops |
| 19:43 | MARC::File | |
| 19:43 | aarkerio | mmm, cool! |
| 19:43 | magnuse | and it's friends MARC::Field and MARC::Record |
| 19:43 | it's what koha uses to handle marc ;-) | |
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| 19:45 | aarkerio | perfect ! thanks a lot pal! |
| 19:46 | magnuse | np, aarkerio ;-) |
| 19:47 | rangi | moodaepo: hehe yeah |
| 19:47 | cait | back |
| 19:47 | rangi | i think HLT would have suggest some ideas or something, im sure there is useful things that could be done for the project, of course it can be refunded also if needed |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | we could buy back our domain :P |
| 19:48 | oleonard | Maybe we could pay the ransom on the US trademark? |
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| 19:49 | wizzyrea | or that |
| 19:49 | chris_n | ouch |
| 19:49 | if they signed over the nz trademark, what would stop them from following up with the us one | |
| 19:49 | moodaepo | Well since it is the 'Thanksgiving weekend' in the US and supposedly the season of giving is upon us I wouldn't want a refund : ) |
| 19:50 | chris_n: Exactly and the NZ market is not as big as the one in the States | |
| 19:50 | chris_n | signing over both would be a very inexpensive way to buy back a lot of good will.... whatever of that is left to buy back |
| 19:51 | moodaepo | biblibre++ |
| 19:51 | @karma biblibre | |
| 19:51 | huginn | moodaepo: Karma for "biblibre" has been increased 50 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 50. |
| 19:51 | moodaepo | @karma ptfs |
| 19:51 | huginn | moodaepo: Karma for "ptfs" has been increased 8 times and decreased 15 times for a total karma of -7. |
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| 19:58 | magnuse | i'd be happy to see my dosh go towards te takere, if it's not needed elsewhere |
| 19:58 | * oleonard | wonders if te takere is some kind of exotic liquor. |
| 19:59 | magnuse | hehe |
| 19:59 | http://www.tetakere.org.nz/ | |
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| 20:11 | magnuse | kia ora kathryn |
| 20:12 | cait | hi kathryn :) |
| 20:13 | chris_n | howdy kathryn |
| 20:17 | kathryn | Kia ora koutou! |
| 20:23 | liw | can someone give me the dates for Kohacon 2012? |
| 20:24 | magnuse | that would be slef, but i don't think they are set yet |
| 20:24 | cait | liw: I think we don't have the dates yet |
| 20:24 | sometime june | |
| 20:24 | rangi | hey its liw! ;) |
| 20:24 | liw | oh, ok |
| 20:24 | hey, rangi | |
| 20:25 | rangi | early june i think was the last i heard |
| 20:25 | liw | ack |
| 20:25 | rangi | so as not to clash with ALA which is in late june |
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| 20:33 | oleonard | Happy Thanksgiving to US'ers, Happy four-day-weekend without US'ers everyone else! |
| 20:34 | rangi | heh |
| 20:34 | oleonard++ | |
| 20:40 | ibeardslee | http://nzoss.org.nz/content/ko[…]es-ptfs-trademark |
| 20:42 | chris_n | nice publicity |
| 20:43 | wizzyrea | the newest thing from rangi on the list is interesting too |
| 20:43 | there is some hint in that original exemplar of stupid blog post that PTFS is at least considering signing the TM over to HLT | |
| 20:44 | chris_n | here's wishing that's not a delay tactic |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | agreed. |
| 20:44 | I'd like to be cautiously optimistic | |
| 20:44 | rangi | well i think until the application is signed over |
| 20:44 | its business as usual | |
| 20:44 | * chris_n | remembers the many "meetings" w/ptfs during the previous dispute |
| 20:44 | rangi | but I really really hope they do sign the app over |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 20:44 | * chris_n | too |
| 20:44 | rangi | there is no need to wait 3 months |
| 20:45 | wizzyrea | rangi: does joann know of the new developments? |
| 20:45 | * wizzyrea | assumes so |
| 20:46 | rangi | i dont know/think so |
| 20:46 | she is not online or in levin today | |
| 20:46 | i think in meetings in wellington | |
| 20:48 | im sure when she sees the developments should could get lawyers to draft the promise so ptfs/liblime can hand the application over | |
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| 20:53 | * cait | waves at nengard |
| 20:53 | rangi | sup nengard |
| 20:53 | nengard | hiya al |
| 20:53 | all | |
| 20:53 | back from PT - my legs feel like jello :) | |
| 20:53 | which is a good thing | |
| 20:53 | what'd i miss? | |
| 20:54 | wizzyrea | hmm, more koha on NZ radio |
| 20:54 | rangi | oh and this |
| 20:54 | wahanui | and this is the most crowded syspref tab |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | forget this |
| 20:55 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot this |
| 20:55 | rangi | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]ember/031334.html |
| 20:55 | * wizzyrea | pats wahanui |
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| 20:56 | cait | wahanui botsnack cookie |
| 20:56 | wahanui | thanks cait :) |
| 20:58 | * chris_n | heads out for Thanksgiving |
| 20:58 | rangi | have some candied yams for me |
| 20:58 | and a turducken | |
| 20:59 | chris_n | yum, yum! |
| 20:59 | rangi | thanksgiving is in my opinion the best holiday |
| 20:59 | no presents | |
| 20:59 | just food | |
| 21:00 | chrisdothall | heh turducken? |
| 21:00 | christmas, etc, are far too commercialised :( | |
| 21:00 | rangi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turducken |
| 21:01 | chrisdothall | omg.. |
| 21:01 | rangi | lol |
| 21:01 | chrisdothall | yeah I just found it. |
| 21:01 | wizzyrea | we have those in the freezer section of our grocery store |
| 21:01 | I laugh every time I walk by them | |
| 21:01 | rangi | hehe |
| 21:01 | wizzyrea | when I'm not wondering hth you cook such a thing. |
| 21:02 | "with heat, idiot" | |
| 21:02 | ;) | |
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| 21:12 | nengard | rangi, thanksgiving isn't the best holiday if you're not a fan of turkey .... |
| 21:12 | just saying | |
| 21:16 | magnuse | gah, now i can't even seem to turn query logging on in mysql... |
| 21:17 | rangi | nengard: you can just have ducken |
| 21:17 | or gooducken | |
| 21:17 | :) | |
| 21:17 | nengard | not a fan of any of those either |
| 21:17 | rangi | or copogooducken |
| 21:17 | wizzyrea | how about a nice sushi boat. |
| 21:18 | rangi | elecopigooducken |
| 21:18 | * wizzyrea | still wants to know what a goo-ducken is |
| 21:18 | rangi | bluewhaelecopigooducken |
| 21:18 | goose duck chicken | |
| 21:18 | wizzyrea | I tried to make a goose. |
| 21:18 | I think we overcooked it. | |
| 21:18 | rangi | i think ive taken it to its extreme now |
| 21:19 | my work here is done | |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | it might be a bit of a challenge to fit a duck into a goose. How about a turgooducken |
| 21:19 | elephant? | |
| 21:19 | magnuse | or just a turboduck |
| 21:19 | * wizzyrea | marvels |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | zoom! |
| 21:20 | trea | turboduck sounds confusing |
| 21:20 | magnuse | it's fastfood! |
| 21:20 | trea | hehe |
| 21:20 | rangi | bluewhaelecopigooducken |
| 21:21 | i already went past elephant | |
| 21:21 | trea | i c wut u did thar |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | oh I see what you did there |
| 21:21 | rangi | blue whale, elephant, cow, pig, goose duck chicken |
| 21:21 | squirrel | |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | rat |
| 21:21 | rangi | i forgot squirrel |
| 21:21 | hehe | |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | mouse |
| 21:21 | trea | good luck getting that thing cooked in the middle :P |
| 21:22 | wizzyrea | I think sekjal was telling me of his mythical "thanksgiving pizza" |
| 21:22 | stuffing crust, with cranberry sauce, then mashed potatoes, gravy, and turkey | |
| 21:27 | rangi | that sounds good |
| 21:27 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 21:28 | stuffing crust especially. | |
| 21:28 | cait | now I start getting hungry again |
| 21:28 | rangi | hehe |
| 21:28 | * wizzyrea | just had squash casserole |
| 21:29 | rangi | lol |
| 21:29 | if you walk away from your computer here, and dont lock it | |
| 21:29 | funny things happen | |
| 21:29 | just got an email | |
| 21:29 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 21:29 | rangi | "I walked away from my computer" |
| 21:29 | "Nekk Minnit" | |
| 21:29 | to everyone in the company | |
| 21:30 | wizzyrea | lolol |
| 21:30 | rangi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq36Y-IN6fE |
| 21:30 | the original | |
| 21:30 | ibeardslee | I just give people a "My little Ponies" desktop wallpaper |
| 21:30 | rangi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0n8obOY_j8 |
| 21:31 | wizzyrea | when I worked in desktop support for students at my uni, sometimes we'd get guys bringing in their computer with pictures that were... how to say... inappropriate |
| 21:31 | so I'd have to work on these computers | |
| 21:31 | chrisdothall | rangi: fanastic |
| 21:32 | wizzyrea | I'd always change the desktop to pictures of kittens and leave them a note: I changed the desktop to a different pussy, hope you don't mind. |
| 21:32 | rangi | heh |
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| 21:33 | wizzyrea | 7186 unique visitors to kc.org yesterday |
| 21:33 | cait | wow |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | 14k page views |
| 21:34 | rangi | wow |
| 21:35 | wizzyrea | 1400 was max hour, 6pm our time |
| 21:35 | (slashdot time) | |
| 21:35 | that's a rather pitiful slashdot. :P | |
| 21:36 | rangi | slashdot is a pale shadow of what it used to be |
| 21:36 | wizzyrea | 1057 reported from auckland |
| 21:36 | 864 from wellington | |
| 21:36 | 290 from chch | |
| 21:36 | 168 from sydney, 155 melbourne, | |
| 21:37 | and lots of little nz towns :D | |
| 21:37 | ebegin | @wunder montreal canada |
| 21:37 | huginn | ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -1.0°C (4:00 PM EST on November 23, 2011). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Rising). |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | in the 50ish visitor range |
| 21:39 | wow seriously I think most every major burg in nz is reflected in our stats from yesterday. | |
| 21:40 | Guillaume1 joined #koha | |
| 21:40 | Guillaume1 left #koha | |
| 21:40 | wizzyrea | http://screencast.com/t/UkNqKbAVZiN |
| 21:41 | rangi | pretty amazing |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | http://screencast.com/t/aT5u2F9dh |
| 21:46 | francharb_away | @wunder lyon france |
| 21:46 | huginn | francharb_away: The current temperature in Lyon, France is 3.0°C (10:30 PM CET on November 23, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Rising). |
| 21:47 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 21:47 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.2°C (10:45 PM CET on November 23, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.50 in 1032.7 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | @wunder lawrence, ks |
| 21:48 | huginn | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 15.4°C (3:47 PM CST on November 23, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | oh hey it's nice out there. |
| 21:48 | francharb_away | how is it possible to be 15 min ahead from us? |
| 21:48 | rangi | @wunder wellington nz |
| 21:48 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on November 24, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Rising). |
| 21:48 | francharb_away | lyon 10:30pm -> konstanz 10:45pm... |
| 21:49 | weird | |
| 21:49 | rangi | francharb_away: its the time the reading was taken |
| 21:50 | not the current time | |
| 21:50 | francharb_away | ahhhhhhhhh |
| 21:50 | :) | |
| 21:50 | rangi | i suspect being german they are being efficient and doing 15 min readings ;-) |
| 21:50 | cait | the weather station is in switzerland |
| 21:50 | rangi | not laissez faire :-) |
| 21:50 | cait | I assume the time of the reading is correct |
| 21:50 | rangi | oh they are even more precise !!! |
| 21:51 | cait | heh |
| 21:51 | rangi | i remember ppl complaining a train was 30 seconds late |
| 21:51 | in zurich | |
| 21:51 | if one gets here within 10 mins late im happy ;) | |
| 21:51 | cait | 30 seconds? |
| 21:51 | sure you got that right? | |
| 21:52 | rangi | yes it was leaving the station |
| 21:52 | and ppl were muttering | |
| 21:52 | cait | heh |
| 21:53 | francharb_away | if i can catch a train, i'm happy... |
| 21:53 | ;) | |
| 21:53 | always on strike over here... ;^) | |
| 21:53 | cait | night all :) |
| 21:53 | cait left #koha | |
| 21:55 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 21:55 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (10:20 PM CET on November 23, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.24 in 990 hPa (Falling). |
| 21:55 | magnuse | huh? doesn't feel like it at the moment |
| 21:56 | maximep | @wunder yul |
| 21:56 | huginn | maximep: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -1.0°C (4:00 PM EST on November 23, 2011). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Rising). |
| 21:56 | maximep | snow tire would have been useful. oh well. |
| 22:05 | mtj | wow, Koha story on NZ nat radio again... O_o |
| 22:07 | eythian | mtj: as in, the real radio right now? |
| 22:07 | (so, it'll be online in half an hour or so) | |
| 22:09 | ibeardslee | I think John Key is in cahoots with PTFS/Liblime to take the media attention away from the teapottapes |
| 22:09 | eythian | heh |
| 22:10 | rangi | https://twitter.com/#!/obelos/[…]39460851756302337 |
| 22:11 | wizzyrea | wow that's snarktastic. |
| 22:12 | * wizzyrea | notes "twitter for iPhone" realizes he's probably not so keen on the idea of "open" |
| 22:12 | wizzyrea | *shrug* his loss. |
| 22:13 | ibeardslee | you'd be surprised (or maybe not) the number of 'open geeks' that go for the macbooks/iphones etc |
| 22:13 | wizzyrea | nah, i'm not |
| 22:13 | rangi | wizzyrea: yeah well we didnt really expect ptfs/liblime meant it eh? |
| 22:14 | wizzyrea | nope |
| 22:14 | eythian | http://yro.slashdot.org/commen[…]9798&cid=38149840 |
| 22:14 | wizzyrea | yea saw that one. Weasely. |
| 22:16 | ibeardslee | to me, it seems that there is some evolution (in a very short time) of PTFS' stance |
| 22:17 | magnuse | YES fixed it - was a missing "Koha to MARC Mapping" for items.itemnumber. feels like i should have found that way earlier. thanks to everyone who tried to help |
| 22:17 | community++ | |
| 22:17 | rangi | :) |
| 22:17 | ahh yeah that would do it | |
| 22:17 | magnuse | it sure would ;-) |
| 22:17 | rangi | yay for solving it |
| 22:20 | melia left #koha | |
| 22:20 | * magnuse | feels optimistic about the outcome of the tm debacle too now... |
| 22:20 | magnuse | good night #koha! |
| 22:20 | wizzyrea | good night magnus_away |
| 22:21 | francharb_away | good night all! |
| 22:22 | eythian | http://yro.slashdot.org/commen[…]9798&cid=38150186 <-- tee hee (if I do say so myself) |
| 22:22 | slef | oh no it's the foundation idea again |
| 22:23 | how many % of the vote will PTFS try to get this time? | |
| 22:30 | maximep left #koha | |
| 22:30 | wizzyrea | nice eythian |
| 22:32 | slef: if the press release is a stalling tactic, we hope joann won't fall for it. If it isn't and they transfer the TM to the US foundation instead of HLT, that sucks but they're still the bad guy. If they transfer the TM to HLT, that's pretty great. | |
| 22:32 | slef | wizzyrea: actually, other comments say HLT, so maybe it could be great |
| 22:32 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 22:33 | that's what I'm hoping for | |
| 22:33 | slef | I just had that sinking feeling reading the PR, that we were back in 2010(?) |
| 22:33 | eythian | slef: agreed |
| 22:33 | wizzyrea | right, well we've (community) already voted and agreed that HLT is the trustee for the IP assets |
| 22:34 | that's a done, documented deal | |
| 22:34 | anything they do that doesn't involve HLT is against us | |
| 22:34 | eythian | the apparent about-face of attitude from clay in those comments is interesting. |
| 22:34 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 22:35 | are there more? | |
| 22:36 | si joined #koha | |
| 22:36 | eythian | oh, I'm being confusing |
| 22:36 | I meant the blog post that has lots of comments | |
| 22:37 | wizzyrea | i knew which one you meant. I'm not sure how exactly, but I knew. |
| 22:37 | eythian | heh |
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| 22:43 | wizzyrea | http://cmdrtaco.net/2011/11/turbaconepicentipede/ |
| 22:45 | eythian | wizzyrea: ... |
| 22:45 | wizzyrea | mhm |
| 22:45 | chrisdothall | idk if to be impressed or disguted... |
| 22:45 | wizzyrea | i am both. |
| 22:46 | I don't even... | |
| 22:47 | * wizzyrea | wonders about civilization |
| 22:48 | rangi | http://serials.infomotions.com[…]/201111/2767.html |
| 22:49 | i wonder how much money is needed to be considered equitable by them | |
| 22:50 | wizzyrea | i wonder how much we'd have to pay to get our domain |
| 22:50 | of course we shouldn't have to do that | |
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| 22:55 | kathryn joined #koha | |
| 23:24 | eythian | http://slashdot.org/comments.p[…]9798&cid=38153566 <-- haha |
| 23:29 | wizzyrea | http://arstechnica.com/science[…]-relationship.ars |
| 23:31 | aarkerio | how can I get koha 3.4? I tried: |
| 23:31 | git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha-3.4.git | |
| 23:35 | rangi | not like that |
| 23:35 | :) | |
| 23:35 | its just a branch | |
| 23:35 | so git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git | |
| 23:35 | git checkout -b 3.4.x origin/3.4.x. | |
| 23:40 | aarkerio | git branch --track 3.4.x origin/3.4.x |
| 23:40 | thanks! | |
| 23:40 | eythian | wizzyrea: that's really interesting |
| 23:40 | wizzyrea | i thought so |
| 23:41 | http://www.itwire.com/business[…]its-own-trademark | |
| 23:44 | rangi | thats a fairly decent summary |
| 23:44 | wizzyrea | eventually we'll need to update the plea with latest developments and possibly links to the coverage |
| 23:44 | but i'm not really comfortable with updating joann's post myself | |
| 23:45 | also there are lots of nice comments on the blog that could use a response | |
| 23:47 | rangi | she wont be able to today, i think its community property you can update, just sign it |
| 23:47 | Updated by Blah | |
| 23:47 | or something | |
| 23:47 | wizzyrea | that's fair. I'll probably do that after bedtime |
| 23:52 | rangi | http://twitpic.com/7ikyb6 |
| 23:52 | hehe | |
| 23:52 | wizzyrea | haha |
| 23:53 | chrisdothall | haha awesome |
| 23:54 | eythian | hmm |
| 23:54 | so, the last update to LL was July | |
| 23:54 | and there is a comment "Backport of 4.4 spine label fixes" for a commit | |
| 23:54 | the latest branch in there is 4.2 | |
| 23:55 | rangi | yes |
| 23:55 | and 4.8 in production | |
| 23:55 | http://www.liblime.com/liblime[…]omers-?a=1&c=1254 | |
| 23:55 | eythian | ah, I see |
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