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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:01 | eythian | @later tell NateC we had Abrakebabra for lunch. Just sayin' |
| 00:01 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:03 | rangi | heh |
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| 01:20 | wajasu | my master git pull, dev install, has koha-httpd.conf with ScriptAlias /search "/home/koha344/prj/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl" in the opac section. but what should it be for the Intranet section. "/home/koha344/prj/kohaclone/search.pl" or maybe "/home/koha344/prj/kohaclone/catalogue/search.pl" (the 1st isnt there). or am i misconfigured. |
| 01:21 | i was comparin my 3.4.4 install to the master dev install. | |
| 01:28 | and what should mt ScriptAlias be for /cgi-bin/koha/ in my intranet section? | |
| 01:29 | jcamins_away | wajasu: what's wrong with the koha-httpd.conf that comes with Koha? |
| 01:30 | It seems to me using the supplied one would be a lot easier and a lot less error-prone. | |
| 01:33 | wajasu | i don't have the a2enmod, a2ensite apache tools (archlinux apache httpd server). so i always have to teak my own. i really have to add <Directory "/home/koha344/prj/kohaclone ... "> direftive the file to get access, since everything is denied by default. |
| 01:34 | jcamins_away | wajasu: couldn't you just do the traditional ln -s /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha /etc/apache2/sites-enabled ? |
| 01:36 | wajasu | but when i was inspecting the ScriptAlias entries, i saw the intranet Virtualhost had ScriptAlias /search "/home/koha344/prj/kohaclone/search.pl" for my dev install. i'm trying to do a patch tonight. and archlinnux doesn't have /etc/apache2... |
| 01:37 | jcamins_away | You must have Apache configuration files somewhere... |
| 01:38 | wajasu | i have /etc/httpd/conf/... but no sites-available or sites-enabled. |
| 01:38 | jcamins_away | Okay, just stick it in /etc/httpd/conf. |
| 01:39 | wajasu | i linked that up fine.( ln -s). |
| 01:39 | jcamins_away | Then enable mod_rewrite and you should be good to go. |
| 01:39 | wajasu | what i an saying is: do you have /search working for intranet at :8080? |
| 01:39 | jcamins_away | Ah. |
| 01:39 | Probably not. | |
| 01:40 | eythian | No, I don't think that's required |
| 01:40 | jcamins_away | Nope. |
| 01:40 | eythian: mod_rewrite isn't required? | |
| 01:40 | The instructions say to enable it. | |
| 01:40 | wajasu: that is, no, /search doesn't do anything. | |
| 01:40 | eythian | rewrite is different |
| 01:41 | the /search thing isn't required | |
| 01:41 | jcamins_away | Oh. Gotcha. |
| 01:41 | * jcamins_away | is a bit tired. |
| 01:41 | eythian | although I note it is set up for the staff client |
| 01:41 | wajasu | its an old vestigal organ from days gone by. |
| 01:41 | eythian | ScriptAlias /search "/usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/search.pl" |
| 01:42 | it allows things like: RewriteRule ^/isbn/([^\/]*)/?$ /search?q=isbn:$1 [PT] | |
| 01:44 | wajasu | ScriptAlias /search "/home/koha344/prj/kohaclone/search.pl" is what my dev install (master pull) has. which points to nothing, unless a rewrite handle that. |
| 01:44 | eythian | ls: cannot access /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/search.pl: No such file or directory |
| 01:44 | same here | |
| 01:44 | I suspect it's been long broken | |
| 01:44 | and no one has ever tried to use it | |
| 01:44 | wajasu | thats what i am saying! |
| 01:45 | jcamins_away | wajasu: sorry, I thought you were trying to write your own Apache config. |
| 01:45 | eythian | So I think you'd be fine not setting it at all. |
| 01:45 | wajasu | i'm about to run my master git pull, which will update, and was wiring up things and saw the discrepency. |
| 01:45 | eythian | oh, me too |
| 01:45 | wajasu | sorry. i just noticed it changed since 3.4.4 |
| 01:49 | i also notice when i do a single or a dev install, my zebra-biblios.cfg, zebra-authorites.cfg and zebra-authorities-dom.cfg don't change the ModulesPath with my prefix. Is that OK. Probably typical. I change them to /home/koha344/usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/modules. I wish they got the /home/koha344 prefix put before /usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/modules lke everywhere else in the .cfg | |
| 01:50 | rangi | hmm that line is there in the 3.4.4 as well, in etc/koha-httpd.conf |
| 01:50 | eythian | wajasu: the modules are defined by where you install zebra to, right? |
| 01:50 | so how could the koha installer change them? | |
| 01:50 | wajasu | true |
| 01:50 | eythian | If I do a dev install, my modules are still in /usr/lib/... |
| 01:52 | it should really be defined by something in /etc that can be overridden on a case-by-case basis | |
| 01:54 | wajasu | it could only handle that if we put another question in the installer, or assume if i have a different prefix, that it would be consistent. |
| 01:54 | eythian | everyone has a different prefix for dev installs |
| 01:55 | wajasu | maybe another question in the installer for single and dev installs. |
| 01:55 | eythian | or just install your zebra into the system location and have it not be a problem :) |
| 01:56 | wajasu | true. |
| 01:56 | jcamins_away | @later tell nengard This may sound kind of obvious, but a video on how to change your own password in Koha might not be a bad idea. |
| 01:56 | huginn | jcamins_away: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:58 | wajasu | if my DocumentRoot for opac is /home/koha344/prj/kohaclone/koha-tmpl will that give them access to intranet-tmpl too? I'll try. |
| 02:01 | eythian | they don't run the files in -tmpl. |
| 02:01 | wajasu | oh i see |
| 02:01 | its the cgi-bin stuff that matters | |
| 02:02 | eythian | yeah |
| 02:04 | wajasu | so the cgi-bin for the intranet is? .../kohaclone? |
| 02:04 | i get that the opac is .../kohaclone/opac | |
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| 02:32 | wajasu | trying to access the staff client, but get Software error: Can't locate DBI.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/koha344/prj/kohaclone /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/share/perl5/site_perl ... |
| 02:33 | jcamins_away | Sounds like you're missing some Perl modules. |
| 02:33 | * eythian | still thinks that running Debian would make life so much easier than Arch ;) |
| 02:34 | wajasu | its the same user account as my 3.4.4 install, with its ~/.cpan that perlbrew populated. I have none missing, when i run koha_perl_deps.pl |
| 02:34 | jcamins_away | Heh. |
| 02:34 | * jcamins_away | agrees. |
| 02:34 | jcamins_away | In that case, sounds like you need to add something to PERL5LIB. |
| 02:35 | No idea what. | |
| 02:35 | wajasu | maybe the PERL5LIB in koha_httpd.conf |
| 02:35 | jcamins_away | Just speculating. |
| 02:35 | Yeah, that was my thought. | |
| 02:35 | wajasu | can i add multiple paths to that |
| 02:35 | jcamins_away | I don't know. |
| 02:35 | Probably? | |
| 02:35 | wahanui | Probably is mate, Im not running the latest version on here. |
| 02:36 | eythian | yes |
| 02:36 | wajasu | i'll try to add my perlbrew based cpan |
| 02:36 | * eythian | pats apt-get on the head. It's a good puppy. |
| 02:37 | wajasu | and include the current one so i can get kohaclone/C4 |
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| 02:40 | * jcamins_away | waves to sekjal. |
| 02:41 | sekjal | hi, jcamins_away |
| 02:43 | jcamins_away | Has anyone ever done an online survey for evaluating Koha? |
| 02:44 | Like, some sort of usability evaluation type thing. | |
| 02:50 | * jcamins_away | leaves everyone to ponder that thought, and goes to get some sleep. |
| 02:50 | jcamins_away | Good night, #koha |
| 02:54 | eythian | http://www.flickr.com/photos/v[…]7820110/lightbox/ |
| 02:54 | rangi | heh |
| 02:55 | http://haveyouseenthisflyer.com/ | |
| 02:55 | i still like the dog one | |
| 02:55 | http://www.neatorama.com/2009/[…]ou-seen-this-dog/ | |
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| 04:26 | * Oak | waves |
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| 04:52 | rangi | hey cait |
| 04:52 | cait | evening rangi :) |
| 04:53 | * rangi | is on the bus home |
| 04:53 | * cait | is getting ready for work :) |
| 06:17 | liw | rangi, I might be possible to persuade to go to Edinburgh for KohaCon and give a brief talk on... Debian packaging? |
| 06:19 | rangi | perfect! |
| 06:19 | cait | :) |
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| 06:27 | alex_a | hello :) |
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| 06:58 | paul_p | good morning #koha |
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| 07:02 | francharb | hi #koha |
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| 07:54 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:58 | ropuch | hello kf [; |
| 07:59 | kf | hi ropuch! |
| 07:59 | nice to see you | |
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| 10:01 | reiveune | hello |
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| 12:10 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6943] Create new budget from a copy of a previous budget <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6943> |
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| 12:25 | oleonard | Happy Friday #koha |
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| 12:32 | oleonard | Hello to both paul_p's |
| 12:32 | paul_p_ | hi oleonard ;-) |
| 12:33 | * oleonard | was just testing Bug 5877 |
| 12:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5877 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Offline circulation improvements : upload all files, apply at once |
| 12:33 | oleonard | No, not that one. |
| 12:33 | Bug 5981 | |
| 12:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5981 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, alex.arnaud, ASSIGNED , OPAC: Add limits to search history |
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| 12:48 | kf | happy friday oleonard :) |
| 12:51 | * oleonard | could have sworn he fixed Bug 6947 once before |
| 12:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6947 minor, P5, ---, ian.walls, NEW , OPAC top-issues doesn't respect item-level itypes |
| 12:52 | oleonard | Bug 3459 |
| 12:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3459 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, topissues doesn't take care of ccode. |
| 12:53 | oleonard | Different I guess. |
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| 12:55 | oleonard | Hm, so Bugzilla now lists rel_2_2, rel_3_0, rel_3_2, rel_3_4, rel_3_6, and Rel_3_8. And now my teeth hurt. |
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| 13:00 | rh_at_lita | @seen wizzyrea |
| 13:00 | huginn | rh_at_lita: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 15 hours, 51 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> the carrying capacity of an unladen african swallow |
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| 13:13 | * oleonard | wonders how kf managed to collect so much gold |
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| 13:19 | * oleonard | tries the KOCT in Firefox 7 but it doesn't appear to work |
| 13:19 | rh_at_lita | koct? |
| 13:19 | oleonard | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-[…]refox/addon/koct/ |
| 13:20 | kf | oleonard: gold digger genes? |
| 13:21 | oleonard: but it was really hard to get that chocolate fish! | |
| 13:24 | s/gold digger/something nicer | |
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| 13:24 | kf | s/something nicer/gold miner |
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| 13:35 | oleonard | KOCT works in FF3.6, but it's really annoying that it doesn't save the patron barcode between transactions |
| 13:36 | maximep | oleonard: thanks for the follow-up patch in bug 6945 =) |
| 13:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6945 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , Add a link to show a MARC preview in the normal view |
| 13:36 | oleonard | Sure. I liked the idea to add the preview, so I was happy to contribute. |
| 13:46 | kf | maximep: was happy to see the budget duplicate feature! |
| 13:46 | hope to find time testing it | |
| 13:46 | lots of libraries have asked me about a feature like that when I was presenting acq | |
| 13:46 | maximep | cool! :D |
| 13:47 | paul_p | oleonard, what do you mean by doesn't appear to work ? |
| 13:48 | oleonard | When I enter a patron card and item barcode and click "save" nothing happens. |
| 13:48 | No message that anything has been added, nothing in the log | |
| 13:49 | paul_p | mmm... strange works for me (just checked) |
| 13:49 | I get the "1 row added", "2 rows added" ... | |
| 13:49 | oleonard | Really? I'll have to check again. It may be a compatibility issue with one of my other addons. |
| 13:49 | paul_p | or mac ? |
| 13:49 | * oleonard | has a password-manager addon that causes all kinds of trouble |
| 13:52 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 13:56 | rhcl_lita | jcamins |
| 14:00 | jcamins | rhcl_lita: how's LITA? |
| 14:00 | (I gather that's where you are?) | |
| 14:10 | rhcl_lita | yep, at the preconference. Session discussing cloud (Amazon AWS mostly), workshop on setting up instances and managing machines |
| 14:10 | discussion of vufind DSpace, etc | |
| 14:10 | jcamins | AWS is pretty nifty. Learning anything useful? |
| 14:11 | rhcl_lita | Yep, I have been intending to setup something on Amazon for a while, and just haven't gotten around to it, but this session is encouraging me to do something. |
| 14:13 | jcamins | rhcl_lita: one of the features that I find really intriguing is RDS. Seems like a great way to manage a database. |
| 14:13 | rhcl_lita | Presenter just talked about that--does sound good |
| 14:15 | jcamins | Also nifty is the fact that they now offer a memcached server. |
| 14:16 | rhcl_lita | jineshvaria.s3.amazonaws.com/public/cloudbestpractices-jvaria.pdf |
| 14:20 | jcamins | They're up to Firefox 7? That was fast. |
| 14:20 | wizzyrea | ^^ this makes me annoyed. |
| 14:20 | * oleonard | too |
| 14:22 | trea | pushing minor revisions into a product, and giving said product a whole new version number is no bueno. |
| 14:23 | oleonard | Reminds me of something, it does. |
| 14:34 | nengard | can someone tell me the values that can be found in constrainttype in the reserves table and what they mean? |
| 14:35 | * wizzyrea | wishes the kiwis were up, I have a packaging question |
| 14:35 | wizzyrea | nengard, sec |
| 14:36 | jcamins | wizzyrea: a packaging question? I always find that asking my packaging question of the channel at large is a sure-fire way to realize my question had an obvious answer. ;) |
| 14:36 | wizzyrea | more to do with building packages |
| 14:37 | maximep | well firefox7 has big memory usage improvements. I don't even remember if ff6 had anything new :S |
| 14:37 | wizzyrea | recent benchmarks say that 7 is faster than chrome |
| 14:38 | which would be great, because JEBUS firefox was a dog for a while | |
| 14:38 | rhcl_lita | any lightning comments on vufind? |
| 14:38 | wizzyrea | an old dog. That couldn't see. |
| 14:39 | jcamins | wizzyrea: yeah, those are the questions that I always find the answer to immediately after revealing my ignorance. |
| 14:39 | maximep | firefox is so much better for my use case of opening hundreds of tabs in tab groups. Chrome couldn't do that |
| 14:39 | wizzyrea | speak to me of this "tab groups" feature |
| 14:39 | * wizzyrea | is also a zillions of tabs type |
| 14:39 | jcamins | maximep: that sounds like something wizzyrea could use. |
| 14:39 | sekjal | can anyone here change the maximum attachment size in bugs.k-c.org? |
| 14:39 | wizzyrea | ^^ see, they know me ;) |
| 14:39 | gmcharlt might be able to | |
| 14:39 | ping gmcharlt | |
| 14:40 | maximep | for every projct I work on I create a new tab group. This way it's all organized and doesn't need to open all the tabs every time |
| 14:40 | jcamins | Grr. I can't find this book. |
| 14:40 | sekjal | I want to attach an example for bug 6789 to make it easier to test, but the test by it's nature requires a file larger than the current 1000KB limit |
| 14:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6789 minor, P5, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Biblios with many items can result in broken search results links |
| 14:40 | maximep | ctrl+shift+e is bery useful =) |
| 14:41 | wizzyrea | this seems compelling. |
| 14:41 | sekjal - you could (temporarily) host it elsewhere and post a link? | |
| 14:41 | not optimal, but doable | |
| 14:42 | rhcl_lita | @seen paul_p |
| 14:42 | huginn | rhcl_lita: paul_p was last seen in #koha 52 minutes and 31 seconds ago: <paul_p> or mac ? |
| 14:42 | wizzyrea | nengard the only constrainttype I'm seeing is 'a' |
| 14:42 | paul_p | rhcl_lita, you need me ? |
| 14:42 | wizzyrea | and as to what that means... good question |
| 14:43 | rhcl_lita | do you have any libraries running vufind (realizing you are a Solr promoter)? A Bangladesh library is the only one listed running Koha and VUfind. |
| 14:43 | http://vufind.org/wiki/installation_status | |
| 14:44 | jcamins | wizzyrea: by the way, what was your packaging question. I probably won't know the answer, but it's possible. |
| 14:45 | paul_p | rhcl_lita, nope, we don't have anyone running vufind |
| 14:45 | nengard | wizzyrea me too |
| 14:45 | do we know what 'a' is? | |
| 14:46 | jcamins video idea added to my listr | |
| 14:46 | list | |
| 14:46 | * oleonard | gives these tab groups things a try |
| 14:46 | sekjal | wizzyrea: done, added link on bug report back to ByWater site |
| 14:48 | wizzyrea | sekjal: it at least lets you get the work done :) |
| 14:50 | nengard | in the same table (reserves) any idea what goes in notificationdate and reminderdate? it's not when a notice is sent ? cause i just tried that |
| 14:51 | oleonard | I don't think those are used nengard |
| 14:51 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6789] Biblios with many items can result in broken search results links <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6789> |
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| 14:53 | nengard | and finally in that table ? lowestPriority appears to always be 0 |
| 14:53 | any idea what it's used for? | |
| 14:53 | oleonard | Is it for when you "pin" someone at the bottom of the holds list? |
| 14:54 | nengard | then wouldn't their priority number show that? |
| 14:54 | let me try | |
| 14:55 | oleonard i'm not sure pinning even works | |
| 14:55 | fyi | |
| 14:56 | wizzyrea | certainly the buttons were messed up |
| 14:56 | eythian was supposed to be coming up for a fix for it... I can't remember if that got in | |
| 14:56 | * wizzyrea | checks |
| 14:56 | nengard | the buttons move the person to the bottom but if i add someone else that new person goes below them |
| 14:57 | pinning sounds like the bottom person shoould stay at the bottom | |
| 14:57 | anyway that field never changes in the db | |
| 14:57 | it's always 0 for me | |
| 14:57 | phone call time | |
| 14:59 | wizzyrea | same for me |
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| 15:05 | oleonard | Left without saying goodbye! |
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| 15:06 | wizzyrea | yay reiveune is back! |
| 15:06 | reiveune | not for a long time, |
| 15:07 | :) I'll be back | |
| 15:07 | by | |
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| 15:09 | wizzyrea | oh there we go |
| 15:09 | at least he said goodbye that time. | |
| 15:09 | :) | |
| 15:11 | kf | nengard: I think priority number would now show because it should always resort them to be the last - so changing numbers |
| 15:12 | hm scrolling down would be good... *sighs* | |
| 15:18 | wizzyrea | hi kf :) |
| 15:18 | glad you're back | |
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| 15:21 | Oak | hello #koha |
| 15:21 | rhcl_lita | hi hi |
| 15:22 | Oak | :) :) |
| 15:23 | slef | oh wow. Is my nick feminine, masculine, or neutral? |
| 15:23 | Oak | neutral I think |
| 15:23 | slef | I didn't pick it. I never even considered this before. |
| 15:23 | kf | I know the problem |
| 15:24 | wizzyrea | neutral, in both cases. |
| 15:24 | :P | |
| 15:24 | slef | ok, I've put that in |
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| 15:25 | * oleonard | pondered for a moment what feminine names start with "O" |
| 15:25 | Oak | Olga |
| 15:25 | wizzyrea | Olivia |
| 15:25 | slef | Odd-job |
| 15:25 | wizzyrea | Octavia |
| 15:25 | slef | this is always one of two problems I have with gender/participation surveys... I don't really pay much attention to it |
| 15:25 | * jcamins | considers his neutral. He could be "Joan Camins." Actually, he keeps on getting e-mails for her. |
| 15:26 | slef | jcamins: I keep getting emails for a school near London. |
| 15:26 | rhcl_lita | I think slef is masculine - sounds like a Scandinavian mythical character |
| 15:27 | oleonard | Oh yeah, I've gotten emails for Orla Leonard |
| 15:27 | In particular because she puts in my email address when trying to reset her passwords | |
| 15:27 | kf | marc makes my brain hurt :( |
| 15:27 | jcamins | That is not a name I've heard before. |
| 15:27 | slef | rhcl_lita: actually, if you want to look at Scandinavians, SLEF is the Swedish Lutheran Evangelical Foundation; and I believe it's a word in Icelandic |
| 15:27 | jcamins | kf: as it does to everyone's brain. :( |
| 15:28 | slef | jcamins: there's a BBC reporter called Orla Guerin... was in the middle East last I remember |
| 15:29 | kf | yeah, but it doesn't help when 3 different fields from union catalog end up in the same marc field :( |
| 15:29 | oleonard | Uh oh, Orla hasn't updated her Twitter since August. Maybe because she can't reset her password? |
| 15:29 | kf | @marc 581 |
| 15:29 | huginn | kf: A citation to or information about a publication that is a study or analysis of the described materials. (Repeatable) [a,z,3,6,8] |
| 15:30 | kf | jcamins: can you shorten that to a label for me? plz? :) |
| 15:31 | jcamins: never mind, I think I found something | |
| 15:32 | jcamins | kf: I'd have to think about that a bit. |
| 15:33 | kf | it's ok :) |
| 15:33 | no reason to make your brain hurt - I will ask the library what they want | |
| 15:33 | jcamins | :) |
| 15:34 | wizzyrea | she sends them to your acpl email? |
| 15:34 | or your gmail | |
| 15:36 | oleonard | gmail |
| 15:36 | slef | kf, jcamins: http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd5xx.html calls it "Publications About Described Materials Note" - not sure what copyright licence that's under, though. |
| 15:37 | jcamins | slef: I think the problem is that it needs a _short_ label. |
| 15:37 | slef | like how short? |
| 15:37 | Materials Publications Note? | |
| 15:38 | * oleonard | thinks we need a Tags component for Bugzilla |
| 15:38 | slef | trouble is you lose meaning all the while |
| 15:38 | jcamins | slef: yeah, that's the problem. |
| 15:38 | But I think that's the length kf was looking for. | |
| 15:39 | Oak | give it a nickname |
| 15:40 | jcamins | Like "Ben"? |
| 15:40 | wizzyrea | "tickles" |
| 15:40 | Oak | how about Maria |
| 15:40 | hehe | |
| 15:40 | tickles :) | |
| 15:42 | jcamins | Oy. I have a 10am and a 6:30pm on Monday. |
| 15:42 | Oak | good luck! |
| 15:43 | jcamins | Oak: they're not daunting meetings, just widely spaced. |
| 15:43 | Oak | :) still, a meeting is a meeting |
| 15:44 | jcamins | True. |
| 15:45 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6716] Database Documentation <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6716> |
| 15:46 | rhcl_lita | re: VUFind I love the 'text this' option in the catalog. |
| 15:47 | It saves paper, I don't have to find the scrap of paper I wrote on, and I don't have to wonder if I transposed the call number. | |
| 15:47 | Wonder what that would cost for Koha? | |
| 15:49 | jcamins | rhcl_lita: talk to sekjal about it. He was working on it. |
| 15:49 | sekjal | rhcl_lita: we're looking at an SMS::Send::Driver-less way of doing SMS in Koha |
| 15:50 | don't have the estimate yet; it would likely involve us tracking the patron's cell provider | |
| 15:50 | wizzyrea | what i'm wondering |
| 15:50 | is why don't we use email | |
| 15:50 | * oleonard | thinks the scrap of paper would be cheaper, but he doesn't have a texting plan |
| 15:50 | wizzyrea | to email sms's to phones |
| 15:50 | rhcl_lita | why would you have to track the cell provider? Just have a pull down list and let the patron enter the cell phone number |
| 15:50 | wizzyrea | put the info in the subject, done. |
| 15:51 | but you'd have to store that, right rhcl? | |
| 15:51 | hence, tracking. | |
| 15:51 | jcamins | sekjal: ooh! I bet you left NYU before they implemented GetIt. |
| 15:51 | sekjal: one moment while I get you a link. | |
| 15:51 | sekjal | jcamins: thanks |
| 15:53 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 15:53 | * oleonard | realizes if we added a Tags component to Bugzilla there would be no one to be default asignee |
| 15:53 | jcamins | This is a bit problematic. |
| 15:53 | Oh, never mind, here's a short URL. | |
| 15:53 | https://getit.library.nyu.edu/go/2694595 | |
| 15:53 | Note the "Send to phone" option on the right. | |
| 15:53 | rhcl_lita | sekjal: why store? let the patron enter it, send the sms, then >/dev/null it. |
| 15:54 | jcamins | Note that last I heard, the Send to phone service was _incredibly_ popular. |
| 15:54 | Even without any way to link it to the patron's account. | |
| 15:54 | sekjal | rhcl_lita: that wouldn't be so bad; could control with an Auth Value |
| 15:54 | rhcl_lita | oops, should have been directed to wizzyrea |
| 15:55 | wizzyrea | meh |
| 15:55 | kf | rhcl_lita: I think the problem is that someone has to pay for the sms - usually the sender |
| 15:55 | wizzyrea | both, usually. |
| 15:55 | sekjal | jcamins: yes, we could do it just like NYU Bobst is doing |
| 15:55 | jcamins | kf: in the US, it's possible to send it so that the recipient pays. |
| 15:55 | sekjal | their mechanism sends the SMS over email |
| 15:56 | jcamins | sekjal: exactly. It's really cool. |
| 15:56 | sekjal | that's why you need to know the provider, so you know the email domain |
| 15:56 | rhcl_lita | kf: humm, can't be nearly what ILL costs us. And you could always email to sms via a gateway |
| 15:56 | wizzyrea | idk why we don't just do emails in the first place. |
| 15:57 | kf | rhcl_lita: not sure if things are different here |
| 15:57 | rhcl_lita: I only know of one ils here that can send sms and it requires you to buy 'batches' of sms, like buy 10000 text messages to be sent out | |
| 15:57 | from a provider | |
| 15:57 | rhcl_lita | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_SMS_gateways |
| 15:57 | kf | at least it was like that when I asked a few years back on library congress |
| 15:59 | sekjal | brb |
| 15:59 | rhcl_lita | donno, seems pretty simple to me. Just get the input phone and service, pipe that into a script which creates an email and send. |
| 16:01 | kf | rhcl_lita: you might be right - would be very cool |
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| 16:11 | slef | oh hell it's mailman day |
| 16:16 | rhcl_lita | time for chow @ the hyatt |
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| 16:19 | oleonard | paul_p still around? |
| 16:21 | Or anyone who is familiar with the offline circ tool? | |
| 16:21 | * oleonard | is wondering about the buttons which say "Commit to Koha" and "Apply directly"... |
| 16:21 | jcamins | Argh! When did Portrayed become Depicted? |
| 16:22 | wizzyrea | oleonard the firefox addon? |
| 16:22 | oleonard | Yeah |
| 16:22 | * wizzyrea | has it installed |
| 16:22 | wizzyrea | where do you see that? |
| 16:23 | oleonard | The Log tab |
| 16:26 | Where does it save the data? | |
| 16:27 | wizzyrea | that is a very good question. |
| 16:36 | Oak | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_firefox_plugin |
| 16:38 | oleonard | Yeah, that page shows a screenshot of a page in Koha which isn't actually in Koha as far as I can tell. |
| 16:38 | "Process pending offline circulations?" | |
| 16:40 | maximep | there's a ff plugin to do offline circ ? cool |
| 16:41 | no link to it on that wiki page ? | |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea | it's called KOCT |
| 16:41 | it's in the firefox plugin repository | |
| 16:41 | oleonard | Cool except it doesn't seem to work maximep |
| 16:41 | jcamins | Koha Offline Circulation Tool? |
| 16:41 | (guessing what the acronym is) | |
| 16:41 | oleonard | Koha Offline Circulation Tool is https://addons.mozilla.org/en-[…]refox/addon/koct/ |
| 16:42 | jcamins | Ah, cool, I was right. :) |
| 16:47 | oleonard | Koha Offline Circulation Tool? |
| 16:47 | wahanui | Koha Offline Circulation Tool is https://addons.mozilla.org/en-[…]refox/addon/koct/ |
| 16:47 | oleonard | KOCT is Koha Offline Circulation Tool |
| 16:47 | KOCT? | |
| 16:47 | wahanui | KOCT is Koha Offline Circulation Tool |
| 17:31 | jcamins | nengard_lunch: cn_sort is a normalized form of the itemcallnumber used for sorting. |
| 17:33 | nengard_lunch | thanks |
| 17:33 | i'll add it | |
| 17:35 | jcamins | You're welcome. Enjoy lunch. |
| 17:38 | slef | KOCT is also https://addons.mozilla.org/en-[…]refox/addon/koct/ |
| 17:38 | wahanui | okay, slef. |
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| 17:42 | cait | hi #koha |
| 17:42 | slef | hi cait |
| 17:43 | cait | hi slef :) |
| 17:43 | * slef | prods this migrating Koha |
| 17:45 | cait | ? |
| 17:46 | slef | it's being a bit slow.... it's only 6kbiblios |
| 17:50 | cait | not a lot |
| 17:50 | should load quickly? | |
| 17:50 | slef | yeah... I think I can see why they want a new server! |
| 17:50 | this is getting the data out which is being slow | |
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| 18:05 | * oleonard-away | idly wonders whether slef has ever been identified as S. Lef. |
| 18:05 | slef | oleonard: NAFAIK |
| 18:05 | * cait | wears her feminine nick tonight |
| 18:29 | oleonard | I might be nice to have a database update log for keeping track of what updates have been applied via updatedatabase.pl |
| 18:30 | cait | hm, would not be hard probably? |
| 18:31 | oleonard | It would be relevant to only a small subset of users, but useful for developers and testers |
| 18:31 | cait | yes |
| 18:44 | slef | oleonard: like a table listing all update UUIDs, with updates just being SQL files added to a directory and maybe a tracking file. |
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| 18:49 | maximep | how do I make translatable strings in a .pl ? |
| 18:49 | is there a way ? | |
| 18:49 | there's so many strings not translated that are in .pl files :/ | |
| 18:49 | oleonard | Move them to the template |
| 18:52 | cait | yep |
| 18:52 | maximep: all that should be in templates, not in the pl files | |
| 18:53 | maximep | C4::Letters::EnqueurLetter takes a parameter with the title and content of the message |
| 18:53 | I don't know how I could pu that in a template | |
| 18:54 | cait | hm |
| 18:54 | notices | |
| 18:54 | normally it should be a template from tools > notices | |
| 18:54 | that defines the subject and content | |
| 18:54 | oleonard | maximep: Consider filing a bug, "Move untranslatable strings into templates" and then create blocking bugs for each instance |
| 18:54 | cait | are we talking about the address change mail? |
| 18:55 | maximep | cait: ah, I see |
| 18:55 | yeah I remember using that | |
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| 18:59 | maximep | I have never sent a patch with a database change (well, adding a new line in the letter table in this case) before |
| 18:59 | is there something on a wiki on this ? | |
| 19:00 | cait | there is |
| 19:00 | let me get the link for you | |
| 19:00 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng_Database_Files | |
| 19:02 | what you have to do | |
| 19:02 | create a patch with kohastructure.sql changed | |
| 19:02 | and updatedatabase.pl with a new entry | |
| 19:02 | leave version number at XXX in updatedatabase | |
| 19:03 | for testing your patch yourself, change the xxx to be the next number and change kohversion.pl (I think) accordingly | |
| 19:03 | when starting your koha it will compare the number from kohaversion to the number in your database and start the update | |
| 19:03 | * cait | hopes she explained that right |
| 19:06 | maximep | yes you did |
| 19:06 | ok, then I will send a patch soon | |
| 19:06 | or maybe several patches | |
| 19:07 | just looked at that wiki page. You were a *lot* clearer than it lol | |
| 19:08 | cait | I tried :) |
| 19:08 | looked at it myself and decided I should try.., | |
| 19:09 | what you can also do is find a nice easy patch to copy from - like a new syspref being added | |
| 19:09 | to see which files have to be touched | |
| 19:17 | * slef | curses ISBD principles and all who sail in them. |
| 19:17 | jcamins | slef: are they so bad as all that? |
| 19:18 | slef | jcamins: yeah when people follow 95% of them. |
| 19:18 | they're just enough to cause trouble | |
| 19:19 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 19:19 | slef | "Why haven't you converted these records correctly? We used ISBD punctuation rules." "Not on that one you didn't" "Oh" |
| 19:23 | cait | lol |
| 19:24 | so give them a list to correct manually? | |
| 19:24 | slef | yeah... 5% of 6k is 300... |
| 19:24 | jcamins | Pfft. |
| 19:24 | slef | I'll give them a list. Doubt they'll correct them. |
| 19:25 | * slef | leaves the import churning |
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| 19:27 | wizzyrea | does anybody know what the standard field for fines data is in SIP |
| 19:27 | it needs to be added to the output, apparently | |
| 19:28 | (and yea, I know it puts fine data in the screen note - that's not the right place) | |
| 19:28 | patron expiry, for the record, is in the wrong place as well. | |
| 19:28 | (also in the screen note) | |
| 19:31 | cait | you mean the date? |
| 19:31 | and the fine amount? | |
| 19:33 | wizzyrea | yea |
| 19:34 | sekjal | wizzyrea: do you mean fee paid messaging? |
| 19:40 | wizzyrea | as an example |
| 19:44 | pastebot | "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "SIP response example" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/65 |
| 19:44 | wizzyrea | that Patron owes $10.00 |
| 19:44 | there's supposedly a field for the $10 | |
| 19:45 | so in envisionware | |
| 19:45 | they have a rule you can make | |
| 19:45 | fine owed equals | |
| 19:45 | | greater than | less than | |
| 19:45 | but that won't work | |
| 19:45 | cait | hm there is field with 10.00 in it |
| 19:45 | wizzyrea | because the data isn't in the field EW is looking for |
| 19:45 | cait | y|BLY|CQN|BV10.00|CC10| |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | cait++ |
| 19:46 | * wizzyrea | missed that |
| 19:46 | tries the rule again | |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | i will laugh so. very. hard. if this works. |
| 19:47 | oleonard | Happy weekend all |
| 19:47 | cait | bye owen |
| 19:47 | wow, I managed to say bye to owen before he left! | |
| 19:47 | * cait | tries again |
| 19:47 | cait | have a nice weekend oleonard |
| 19:47 | ok, now the world is back to normal :) | |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | can I kiss you if this works, cait? |
| 19:48 | cait | um |
| 19:48 | k? | |
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| 19:52 | * wizzyrea | kisses cait |
| 19:52 | * cait | blushes |
| 19:52 | * wizzyrea | bounces and squees |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | you know that feeling, when someone gets huffy with you and you know you tested it, and it worked the last time |
| 19:53 | and you think that you did it wrong or something, but it turns out you didn't | |
| 19:53 | rangi | no you can go |
| 19:53 | wizzyrea | and you were right all along? |
| 19:53 | rangi | "IN YOUR FACE!!!" |
| 19:53 | wizzyrea | yes. That. |
| 19:53 | rangi | yep i know that well |
| 19:53 | :) | |
| 19:53 | cait | of course |
| 19:53 | now you are showing up | |
| 19:53 | wizzyrea | thanks cait :) |
| 19:53 | cait | when all the work is done :) |
| 19:53 | yvw liz :) | |
| 19:54 | wizzyrea | cait++ for her usual brilliance |
| 19:54 | cait | hmpf |
| 20:01 | wizzyrea | so, just in case you are wondering |
| 20:01 | for envisionware | |
| 20:02 | http://screencast.com/t/yRm9nsmA | |
| 20:02 | that's how you set up rules for patron expired, and block over x fines owed | |
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| 20:47 | rhcl_lita | koha in the cloud mentioned @lita - twittag #libcloud |
| 20:50 | jcamins | rhcl_lita: wave to Heather Moulaison for me. :) |
| 20:51 | rhcl_lita | yea, ok. |
| 20:51 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 20:51 | Oh, Edward's the other speaker? | |
| 20:51 | Wave to him, too. | |
| 20:52 | rhcl_lita | Huh, OK. |
| 20:53 | jcamins | Thanks. :) |
| 20:53 | rhcl_lita | they will know you by name presumably? |
| 20:53 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 20:53 | cait | wizzyrea++ :) |
| 20:53 | good night all! | |
| 20:54 | jcamins | Good night. |
| 20:54 | wizzyrea | cait is sneaky |
| 20:54 | gnite :) | |
| 20:54 | jcamins | It's always exciting to discover that I know the speakers at conferences. :) |
| 20:55 | rhcl_lita | u should be her |
| 20:55 | here | |
| 20:55 | jcamins | I'm getting out of technology. Didn't you know that? :P |
| 20:56 | rhcl_lita | well, no, I guess I didn't |
| 20:56 | * jcamins | waits for the laughter to die down. ;) |
| 20:58 | rhcl_lita | who knows, you might want to go meditate in a Buddhist monastary in nepal for a few years. It happens. |
| 20:58 | jcamins | rhcl_lita: that does sound tempting... |
| 20:59 | rhcl_lita | I hear the chow isn't that great. |
| 21:00 | jcamins | rhcl_lita: yeah, but are you distracted by the thought of buying real estate? |
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| 21:01 | rhcl_lita | ? non sequitur? |
| 21:01 | session over, gotta move... | |
| 21:01 | jcamins | rhcl_lita: yeah, I just happen to be distracted by the thought of buying real estate. Enjoy the rest of LITA. :) |
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| 21:21 | rhcl_lita | jcamins: both presenters pleased to hear from you; returned greeting |
| 21:22 | jcamins | rhcl_lita: thanks. :) |
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