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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:26 | kulps | would it be a bad idea to remove the "mandatory" flag from most of the marc framework fields? |
| 00:27 | Since my library is currently just for me, I don't know I need all the "required" information | |
| 00:27 | keep maybe the author, title, isbn and item type as required | |
| 00:27 | let the rest just come in as it does? | |
| 00:32 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5473] 952 fields should be filled in by Acquisitions <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5473> |
| 00:34 | eythian | There aren't many that are mandatory as it is, are there? |
| 00:34 | I'd leave the ones that are <010 as mandatory, parts of things may expect them to be there. I think other than that it's fair game really. | |
| 00:34 | rangi | you could if you liked, you would be making invalid marc records tho, which may come back to bite you in the future |
| 00:34 | what he said | |
| 00:35 | eythian | oh, the item type one (942$something) is probably worth keeping, too |
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| 00:45 | kulps | hmm, my javachat seems to have cycled since I was afk, not sure if anybody answered if it was a bad idea to clear the flags. |
| 00:49 | eythian | kulps: |
| 00:49 | <eythian> There aren't many that are mandatory as it is, are there? | |
| 00:49 | <eythian> I'd leave the ones that are <010 as mandatory, parts of things may expect them to be there. I think other than that it's fair game really. | |
| 00:49 | <rangi> you could if you liked, you would be making invalid marc records tho, which may come back to bite you in the future | |
| 00:49 | <rangi> what he said | |
| 00:49 | <eythian> oh, the item type one (942$something) is probably worth keeping, too | |
| 00:53 | kulps | yeah, I dont plan to make my own records, only pull from the canadian library |
| 00:53 | the records I would make would be invalid anyway | |
| 00:53 | I was hoping to use Koha as a bit of an asset tracker | |
| 00:54 | so if I had an item type for "asset" and used author as manfactureur, title as model, isbn as serial number | |
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| 00:54 | kulps | it's a bit screwy, I admit, but I like the idea of keeping it all in a database |
| 00:55 | eythian | It's a little screwy, but you could make it work to some degree I expect. |
| 00:55 | If you're willing to accept that sometimes you may be pushing a bit against the grain of how it expects to work. | |
| 00:57 | kulps | I really want to use Koha to manage my books, because it sure beats typing it out by hand |
| 00:57 | maybe I should bite the bullet and look for a personal asset manager... | |
| 00:57 | hmmm | |
| 00:57 | just ideas. | |
| 00:57 | Thanks for entertaining them none the less! | |
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| 01:38 | mtj | yow, crazy hail in wgtn |
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| 01:59 | eythian | yeah. we just missed it. |
| 02:07 | http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]pounds-Wellington <-- good to see the news is on top of it | |
| 02:34 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_6716' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3269e844ce7431ed1> / Bug 6716 couple of little typos <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]12e40e059850c0ee4> |
| 02:37 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 410 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 25 j ago) |
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| 02:56 | rangi | http://schema.koha-community.o[…]es/borrowers.html |
| 02:57 | if you toggle the comments on, you can see the comments that nicole has been putting in | |
| 02:57 | wizzyrea | oh that is top notch |
| 02:57 | rangi | thanks to eythian for rediscovering schemaspy and nicole for putting comments on things |
| 02:57 | http://schema.koha-community.org/index.html | |
| 02:57 | wizzyrea | word |
| 02:57 | rangi | i just have to get the table level comments showing and all good |
| 02:58 | eythian | that looks pretty good with those comments. |
| 02:58 | rangi | yeah |
| 02:58 | wizzyrea | eff yea it does |
| 02:58 | eythian++ nengard++ | |
| 02:58 | rangi | http://schema.koha-community.o[…]ables/biblio.html |
| 02:58 | handy | |
| 02:58 | wizzyrea | hawt |
| 02:58 | hawt hawt hawt | |
| 02:58 | omg hot. | |
| 02:59 | eythian | oh, that will be handy alright |
| 02:59 | rangi | heh |
| 02:59 | eythian | http://schema.koha-community.o[…]tables/items.html <-- even handier, when done :) |
| 02:59 | wizzyrea | aw yea |
| 03:00 | rangi | yep items not done yet |
| 03:00 | wizzyrea | but even so |
| 03:00 | is super | |
| 03:00 | rangi | i have a job to keep it up to date |
| 03:00 | so as new comments are added on bug 6716 | |
| 03:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation |
| 03:00 | rangi | it will get better and better |
| 03:01 | wizzyrea | *nod* supergood |
| 03:01 | so many people looking for exactly this data | |
| 03:03 | eythian are you on the twitterz or identica? | |
| 03:03 | eythian | wizzyrea: yeah, on identi.ca |
| 03:04 | Not that I use it terribly often. I'm a terrible blogger, micro or otherwise. | |
| 03:04 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 03:04 | what's your handle? | |
| 03:04 | i always feel super nerdy when I say handle. | |
| 03:10 | eythian | @eythian |
| 03:10 | huginn | eythian: I suck |
| 03:10 | eythian | tricky, no |
| 03:10 | huginn: it's OK | |
| 03:10 | huginn | eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 03:10 | bot vs human, fight! | |
| 03:11 | eythian | http://www.geeksaresexy.net/20[…]-cleverbot-fight/ <-- I am not a robot. I am a unicorn. |
| 03:11 | wizzyrea | i saw that... laughed and laughed |
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| 03:21 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #410: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/410/ |
| 03:21 | Chris Cormack: Bug 6716 couple of little typos | |
| 03:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation |
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| 03:26 | rangi | heh |
| 03:26 | https://yfrog.com/ny84714183j | |
| 03:26 | wizzyrea | tee hee |
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| 04:14 | Judit | hello |
| 04:17 | eythian | So you say. |
| 04:28 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6360] all messages on checkin should have sounds if soundson <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6360> |
| 04:35 | Judit | might be a stupid question but is it possible that i dont have ceilingdudate and globalduedate in my syspref |
| 04:36 | eythian | It seems quite possible. |
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| 04:37 | eythian | They don't exist in mine either. |
| 04:37 | Judit1 | you broke it! |
| 04:37 | why is that | |
| 04:38 | eythian | are they supposed to exist? |
| 04:38 | Judit1 | http://koha-community.org/docu[…]?ch=c18#circprefs |
| 04:39 | yes, i am on 3.4 | |
| 04:39 | shame on me | |
| 04:40 | eythian | you're spelling them wrong |
| 04:41 | Judit1 | if i search for DueDate |
| 04:41 | i receive only SpecifyDueDate | |
| 04:41 | eythian | but I can't find mention of them in the preferences file anyway |
| 04:42 | and I'm looking on master | |
| 04:42 | rangi | they were moved in master |
| 04:42 | eythian | there's reference to them in the code |
| 04:42 | C4/Circulation.pm: $datedue = C4::Dates->new( C4::Context->preference('globalDueDate') ); | |
| 04:43 | rangi | look in localuse |
| 04:43 | eythian | not there either |
| 04:43 | Judit1 | not there |
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| 04:44 | eythian | installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl: $dbh->do("DELETE FROM `systempreferences` WHERE variable = 'globalDueDate' OR variable = 'ceilingDueDate'"); |
| 04:44 | rangi | yep |
| 04:44 | eythian | they've been removed |
| 04:45 | rangi | git show e57dadf762101cfb7371c3d2c93e8163a2ace69f |
| 04:45 | eythian | although no one removed the code that references them |
| 04:45 | Judit1 | removed from 3.4? |
| 04:45 | rangi | you define them in the circ rules |
| 04:45 | Judit1 | but still in the manual |
| 04:45 | hm | |
| 04:45 | mtj | eythian: thanx for looking at my patch today |
| 04:45 | eythian | no problem |
| 04:46 | rangi | bug 5548 |
| 04:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5548 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, RESOLVED FIXED, Hard Due Dates Circ Rule |
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| 04:48 | Judit1 | okay |
| 04:48 | i see | |
| 04:48 | Brooke | I realise it's nearly beer o'clock |
| 04:48 | but nengard is relatively fine. | |
| 04:48 | Judit1 | in circ rules there is a Hard Due date |
| 04:49 | themanual is wrong this time, not me | |
| 04:49 | thank you! | |
| 04:49 | Brooke | People that write documentation are flawless goddesses that are never, ever wrong. |
| 04:50 | rangi | Brooke: she's been on irc already, and gchat :) |
| 04:50 | Brooke | rangi: I know, but you might be worried that she's being macho :P |
| 04:50 | Judit, what section and subsection and stuff? | |
| 04:50 | rangi | id accuse nengard of lots of things, being macho would never be one |
| 04:51 | * Brooke | snorts. |
| 04:51 | Judit1 | Broke i know they are flawless and never, ever wrong :) |
| 04:52 | that is why i like them | |
| 04:52 | and manuals | |
| 04:54 | cait | morning #koha |
| 04:54 | rangi | hi cait |
| 04:54 | Brooke | guten morgen |
| 04:54 | Judit1 | so |
| 04:54 | http://koha-community.org/docu[…]?ch=c18#circprefs | |
| 04:55 | * Brooke | heads for bid before Cait nags her... |
| 04:55 | Judit1 | 1.1.5.1.6 |
| 04:55 | and 1.1.5.1.8 globalDueDate | |
| 04:55 | 1.1.5.1.6. ceilingDueDate | |
| 04:55 | are no longer in Koha- 3.4 | |
| 04:56 | but still in the manual for Koha 3.4 | |
| 04:56 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_the_Koha_Manual |
| 04:56 | send a patch | |
| 04:57 | Judit1 | brooke asked me to state it here |
| 04:57 | okay i send it to the mailing list | |
| 04:58 | rangi | or better yet |
| 04:58 | make a patch | |
| 04:59 | Judit1 | and send it to the mailian glist |
| 04:59 | rangi | the docs mailing list yes |
| 05:01 | right, hometime | |
| 05:02 | eythian | Hmm, I have half an hour to decide if I should bike across town or not. |
| 05:02 | Judit1 | do! |
| 05:02 | :) | |
| 05:03 | eythian | well, I'm afraid of getting caught out in a hailstorm |
| 05:03 | cait | snow again? |
| 05:04 | Judit1 | so then what?:) |
| 05:04 | eythian | cait: no, although it looked like it. It was a massive, although brief, hailstorm. |
| 05:04 | earlier today. | |
| 05:04 | cait | oh! |
| 05:04 | not something you want to witness on a bike | |
| 05:05 | eythian | not really, no. |
| 05:05 | Judit1 | chicken! |
| 05:06 | eythian | I'm OK with that. |
| 05:06 | On the other hand, it seems to be a bit sunny out there right now | |
| 05:07 | * cait | would prefer cycling in a hailstorm to figuring out things like translating addresses for paging early in the morning |
| 05:25 | rangi | still cold but |
| 05:25 | blue sky tho | |
| 05:26 | eythian | yeah, blue out this way too |
| 05:26 | and so now it's time to hope it stays that way. | |
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| 06:12 | magnuse | kia ora #koha |
| 06:22 | alex_a | hello #koha ! |
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| 06:45 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4877] koha-* scripts have no manual pages <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4877> |
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| 06:55 | francharb | hello #koha |
| 06:57 | magnuse | bonjour! |
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| 07:02 | hdl | hi frr |
| 07:02 | reiveune | hello |
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| 08:01 | rangi | evening |
| 08:02 | magnuse | morning rangi |
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| 08:11 | hdl | hi rangi |
| 08:17 | rangi | hi hdl |
| 08:17 | * rangi | is just regenerating the schema with more table comments now |
| 08:23 | rangi | paul_p: i agree with you, i think scenario 3 is the best, the history is far to useful to lose |
| 08:23 | paul_p | of course you agree, as you suggested this scenario ;-) ;-) (good evening) |
| 08:23 | kf++ | |
| 08:23 | rangi++ | |
| 08:23 | frere-sebastien-marie++ | |
| 08:24 | for the great work on html inside tags break translation fixes ! | |
| 08:26 | rangi | there are still some waiting signoff |
| 08:26 | then i can push them too | |
| 08:32 | http://schema.koha-community.org/ now with more table comments | |
| 08:35 | magnuse | just gotta translate this tweet from @Miromurr for y'all: "trying [proprietary norwegian ils] after 2 years of koha. as much fun as banging your head into a brick wall - repeatedly" ;-) |
| 08:36 | rangi | heh |
| 08:36 | has he changed jobs? | |
| 08:37 | magnuse | he's on a one year leave to work at a public library, including their book boat! |
| 08:37 | rangi | ahhhh |
| 08:38 | maybe by the end of the year they will be on koha :) | |
| 08:38 | magnuse | he almost got koha onboard the book boat, but someone got there just ahead of him with a proprietary ils... |
| 08:38 | rangi | ahhh |
| 08:38 | magnuse | if he has his way they sure will! ;-) |
| 08:43 | * paul_p | head to see his banker... |
| 08:43 | * magnuse | wishes paul_p the best of luck ;-) |
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| 09:15 | rangi | magnuse: jo posted the swedish job to the nz-libs mailing list, maybe some nzers will apply :) |
| 09:16 | magnuse | yay! |
| 09:31 | rangi | fredericd: gonna put a photo on your user page? :-) |
| 09:32 | paul_p | i'm back (it was just to sign some papers) |
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| 09:45 | rangi | magnuse: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ategory:KohaCon12 do you think we should shift this content to a real page, and out of the category? |
| 09:46 | hdl/paul_p: did you see this http://www.web2learning.net/archives/4847 ? | |
| 09:46 | magnuse | rangi: i'm fine either way |
| 09:46 | hooray for nicole! | |
| 09:48 | hdl | rangi: i had some news from Bengard yesterday |
| 09:51 | paul_p | rangi, I hadn't seen the message, thx |
| 10:03 | reiveune | bye |
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| 10:07 | kf | hi #koha |
| 10:08 | rangi | hi kf |
| 10:09 | kf | hi rangi :) |
| 10:13 | magnuse | guten tag kf |
| 10:14 | kf | hi magnus :) |
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| 10:44 | rangi | paul_p: did you watch the france vs japan game? |
| 10:46 | magnuse: do you know of a marc212rdf script? | |
| 10:48 | magnuse | rangi: did you see https://github.com/bensinober/normarc2rdf ? mappings are configurable so it shouldn't really be normarc specific |
| 10:49 | rangi | ahh |
| 10:49 | kf | magnuse++ |
| 10:49 | magnuse | that script is based on a marc21 one though, let me see if i can find it |
| 10:50 | rangi | yeah its the config i dont want to write :) |
| 10:50 | magnuse | hehe |
| 10:51 | rangi | if you can do it in ruby, then it should be easy peasy to do it in perl, using the same yaml config |
| 10:51 | magnuse | https://github.com/rsinger/marc2rdf-modeler - A set of Ruby scripts for taking MARC21 records and remodeling them in RDF |
| 10:51 | rangi | and then, we can make a save as rdf option |
| 10:51 | magnuse | yes please! |
| 10:51 | kf | ! |
| 10:51 | magnuse | but sadly, straight mappings from marc 2 rdf aren't all that interesting, i think |
| 10:52 | rangi | well rsinger does some lcsh stuff too |
| 10:52 | magnuse | turning marc into rdf gets interesting when yu use rdf to make up for the shortcomings of marc... |
| 10:52 | adding identifiers, realtionships etc | |
| 10:52 | rangi | yup, but an export as rdf is a first step |
| 10:53 | magnuse | it sure is, and would be very cool! |
| 10:53 | rangi | bit late at night for me to start now, maybe tomorrow night :) |
| 10:53 | magnuse | i've been mulling over an idea of how to use rdf to enhance e.g. koha: http://marc-must-die.info/inde[…]ith_semantic_data |
| 10:53 | yay! | |
| 10:54 | it's less than half baked yet, but i will keep adding to it | |
| 10:54 | kf | rangi++ magnuse++ |
| 10:54 | rangi | one thing i think would be easy |
| 10:54 | is to do foaf | |
| 10:54 | magnuse | for records? patrons? |
| 10:55 | rangi | authors |
| 10:55 | magnuse | ah yes |
| 10:55 | kf | foafß |
| 10:55 | ? | |
| 10:55 | magnuse | friend of a friend |
| 10:55 | rangi | http://www.foaf-project.org/ |
| 10:56 | magnuse | what he dais |
| 10:56 | s/dais/said/ | |
| 10:57 | kf | ah |
| 10:57 | never heard of that | |
| 10:58 | rangi | you know what i hate, when i cant find a license statement |
| 10:59 | magnuse | yeah, that sux |
| 10:59 | rangi | neither of those repos have them |
| 10:59 | magnuse | i'll shoot bensinober an email |
| 10:59 | rangi | ruby people, sheesh |
| 10:59 | :) | |
| 11:00 | magnuse | tsk |
| 11:01 | rangi | yeah, quick read, that doesnt look too bad to port |
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| 11:02 | magnuse | cool |
| 11:03 | * magnuse | sends rangi a triple flat white with extra caffeine |
| 11:05 | rangi | ok, sleep time |
| 11:05 | before i add more things to my todo list :) | |
| 11:05 | * rangi | wanders off |
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| 11:08 | * magnuse | wanders off too, in search of lunch |
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| 11:26 | nengard | morning #koha |
| 11:26 | jcamins_away | Good morning! |
| 11:27 | jcamins | How are you feeling today? |
| 11:28 | nengard | no pain if i stay still :) |
| 11:28 | so making progress | |
| 11:28 | i have one more PT appt here in the hospital and then they plan to send me home | |
| 11:28 | jcamins | @later tell eythian Can I use /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf to get a MySQL user on servers that use a remote MySQL DB? |
| 11:28 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:28 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 11:28 | nengard | yup |
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| 11:54 | lastnode | hi all |
| 11:54 | can someone dierct me to a sensible explanation of the dewey decimenl system? | |
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| 11:54 | lastnode | *decimal |
| 11:54 | google has not helped a lot, im afraid. im just trying to understand the number that comes after thedecimal. is that standard or does it vary from library to library? | |
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| 12:03 | jcamins | lastnode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D[…]al_Classification and http://www.oclc.org/dewey/ |
| 12:11 | lastnode | im going through both sites, and have been for days |
| 12:11 | i guess im just a little thick :) | |
| 12:11 | will keep looking! | |
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| 12:16 | paul_p | rangi (if you're not sleeping) : yes, I looked at France-Japan. Unbelievable how frenchies played wrongly during 20mn (half of the 2nd half) ! I never was afraid of loosing the match, I was sure japanese ppl will go down, but during 20mn, they were really walking on water & we were looking at them !!! |
| 12:24 | magnuse | lastnode: i'm afraid "a sensible explanation of ddc" is an oxymoron ;-) |
| 12:24 | the numbers after the decimal are not local - think of it as one long number - the decimal is just there to make it easier to read | |
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| 12:39 | oleonard | lastnode: The numbers after the decimal are simply added specificity |
| 12:40 | lastnode: Are you concerned about this issue because you're doing original cataloging? | |
| 12:41 | Also: Hi #koha. | |
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| 13:12 | oleonard | Hi druthb |
| 13:12 | druthb | hi, oleonard! :D |
| 13:12 | oleonard | So you got to visit exotic metropolitan Lawrence KS? |
| 13:12 | druthb | Yep. I'll be here for a couple of weeks. Gonna go visit the NEKLS office today. |
| 13:13 | oleonard | Oh, you're still there? Cool. That's where I grew up y'know. The Lawrence Public Library was my childhood library. |
| 13:14 | druthb | I did not know that, Owen. :) |
| 13:15 | I got here Saturday, and wizzyrea and trea and little Spud came out for a bit, then again on Sunday for dinner over the fire with us. Clinton Lake has a nice Corps of Engineers campground. | |
| 13:18 | * oleonard | wants to visit Lawrence now |
| 13:19 | druthb | The weather is nigh-on perfect here this morning...clear, 65F, supposed to get into the high 80s. Rain possible later in the week. |
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| 13:21 | magnuse | o/ |
| 13:21 | druthb | o/ |
| 13:23 | trea | o/ |
| 13:24 | druthb | hey, oleonard...if there was one must-see thing in Lawrence --other than wizzy and trea--what would it be? |
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| 13:26 | oleonard | It sounds corny, but I love the university's natural history museum. Of course it's something out of my childhood too, but I think it's a real gem. |
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| 13:27 | * jcamins | wonders if oleonard intended that as a pun. |
| 13:28 | * oleonard | isn't sure they have any gems |
| 13:28 | druthb | I was thinking of that one, oleonard; there's also apparently a little museum about the building of Clinton Lake, right out here by us, that we'll probably try to hit. |
| 13:29 | jcamins | oleonard: I was referring to "corny." ;) |
| 13:29 | oleonard | Oh, I think you're thinking of Iowa :P |
| 13:30 | jcamins | Kansas isn't generally the state that comes to mind when I think "corn," but it does contribute 4% of the United States' corn production. |
| 13:31 | rhcl_away | u2 funny |
| 13:32 | * druthb | got to see more of SW Iowa and NW Missouri on the way here than she had planned on...70-some miles of I 29 were closed, and the detour was *way* out in the cornfields. |
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| 14:12 | * wizzyrea | is from NW MO, originally, but Kansas is all I know |
| 14:13 | wizzyrea | that is, it's the only place I've *lived* |
| 14:13 | jcamins | wizzyrea: well, if you go far enough in any direction, you'll reach the edge of the continent, and find an ocean. On the other side of the ocean, there's more land. :P |
| 14:13 | wizzyrea | shh |
| 14:14 | * wizzyrea | reminds jcamins that she's been to Sweden, Norway, Finland, and New Zealand |
| 14:14 | * jcamins | knows, he was just contextualizing. |
| 14:14 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 14:14 | jcamins | Sweden, Norway, Finland, and New Zealand are not parts of Kansas. :P |
| 14:15 | wizzyrea | indeed not |
| 14:15 | i've been in probably 46 or 47 of the US states though. | |
| 14:16 | * oleonard | was afraid for a moment wizzyrea was going to bust out singing "Over the rainbow" |
| 14:16 | wizzyrea | lulz |
| 14:17 | oh and good morning | |
| 14:17 | jcamins | Oh, yeah, good morning. |
| 14:18 | * kf | thinks wizzyrea should visit germany next :) |
| 14:18 | trea | :D |
| 14:18 | wizzyrea | I would LOVE that |
| 14:18 | trea | ^^ |
| 14:18 | wizzyrea | for beer and sausages alone :P |
| 14:18 | and your delicious cookies | |
| 14:19 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: trea: sounds like you're set to be world travelers :) |
| 14:19 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt: hi! |
| 14:19 | gmcharlt | Koha: unifying the world one library at a time |
| 14:19 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 14:19 | @quote add gmcharlt: Koha: unifying the world one library at a time | |
| 14:19 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #152 added. |
| 14:20 | * oleonard | startles as gmcharlt appears out of nowhere |
| 14:20 | wizzyrea | oleonard: I don't know about you but I've been missing gmcharl |
| 14:20 | t | |
| 14:21 | kf | wizzyrea: and bonus: if you visit me you can _walk_ over the border to switzerland :) |
| 14:21 | so you get 2 countries at the price of one ;) | |
| 14:21 | wizzyrea | ooooo |
| 14:21 | rhcl | just don't walk over the border into Iran |
| 14:22 | * oleonard | checks his globe |
| 14:22 | jcamins | Did you know that Iran has an island which doesn't require a visa (or didn't used to require a visa) to visit? |
| 14:22 | kf | quite unlikely |
| 14:23 | wizzyrea | interesting |
| 14:23 | wahanui | rumour has it interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good |
| 14:24 | trea | and sometimes very extremely not good. |
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| 14:30 | oleonard | Can someone help me understand what's going on with Bug 5234? chris says it has been pushed, but I still see those files |
| 14:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5234 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove unused CSS files |
| 14:30 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 14:30 | oleonard | And I am looking at master |
| 14:31 | wizzyrea | hum |
| 14:32 | * kf | was about to suggest checking your branch |
| 14:33 | kf | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]083a04dce7c108953 |
| 14:33 | oleonard: are you looking at en? | |
| 14:33 | or at another language folder? | |
| 14:33 | oleonard | en |
| 14:33 | kf | out of ideas |
| 14:33 | oleonard | Are those files gone for everyone else? |
| 14:33 | kf | check your git log for the commit id? |
| 14:37 | sekjal | oleonard: they were recreated when in the switch to T:T |
| 14:38 | oleonard | Ah, of course. So this is not a symptom of the crazy. |
| 14:41 | jcamins | sekjal: did you see my message about bug 5528? I tested it, and couldn't find any regressions, but I couldn't figure out how to sign off on it. |
| 14:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5528 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tajoli, ASSIGNED , Analytical records support |
| 14:41 | sekjal | jcamins: yes, I did see |
| 14:41 | going to take a look soon, and hopefully pass it through QA | |
| 14:42 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 14:47 | libsysguy_class | sekjal we are meeting on thursday right? |
| 14:47 | lastnode | oleonard: sorry for the late reply. yes, im doing original cataologing for somebooks. |
| 14:47 | sekjal | libsysguy_class: yes, that's the plan |
| 14:48 | libsysguy_class | cool I was just putting in a reminder to send out a reminder :p |
| 14:48 | kf | jcamins: is it possible to deactivate it? |
| 14:48 | oleonard | lastnode: Are you using the call numbers assigned to the books by the LOC? |
| 14:49 | kf | jcamins: as in hiding the new function? |
| 14:49 | libsysguy_class: heh - good plan! | |
| 14:49 | jcamins | kf: yes. |
| 14:50 | When it's not turned on, the tab doesn't show up. | |
| 14:50 | kf | jcamins: great - thx |
| 14:58 | oleonard | I just had a librarian ask me why titles are showing up in search results even though all their items are lost. |
| 14:58 | I know the answer, but it does point out some inconsistency. | |
| 14:58 | (with hidelostitems turned on of course) | |
| 14:59 | libsysguy_class | sekjal...are bugs 6431, 6430, and 5549 going to play nice with each other? |
| 15:00 | sekjal | libsysguy_class: hmmm, not sure |
| 15:00 | will have to check | |
| 15:00 | libsysguy | gotcha...6431 and 6430 looked new |
| 15:03 | trea | can someone refresh my memory as to where in the manual accounttypes are defined? |
| 15:07 | sekjal | libsysguy: 6430 and 6431 are constituent parts of 5549, so yes, they'll interact very smoothly |
| 15:08 | kf | trea: authorized values |
| 15:08 | trea: man_inv or somethingl like that | |
| 15:09 | trea | kf++ |
| 15:11 | libsysguy | thanks sekjal |
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| 15:22 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 43 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 15:25 | oleonard | I'm working on Bug 6865. What do y'all think? http://screencast.com/t/tHHspuRZBhv |
| 15:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6865 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Replace image-based gradient backgrounds with CSS3 gradients |
| 15:25 | kf | oleonard: have a minuet? |
| 15:25 | the color is a bit extreme | |
| 15:25 | oleonard | ;) |
| 15:26 | kf: Sure | |
| 15:26 | kf | ;) |
| 15:26 | I have a library with a blind staff member testing koha | |
| 15:26 | and they complain that field descrption and field in cataloging can not be associated with each other | |
| 15:26 | and I thought you might have an idea about it | |
| 15:28 | * oleonard | is looking |
| 15:28 | kf | thank you :) |
| 15:29 | oleonard | field description as in "CONTROL NUMBER," etc? |
| 15:31 | * chris_n | wonders if oleonard has on rose-colored glasses today ;) |
| 15:32 | * oleonard | wonders why addbiblio looks so different today |
| 15:33 | kf | oleonard: I think so |
| 15:38 | oleonard | kf: I think what they mean is that the screen reader is looking for a <label> <input> pair. |
| 15:39 | In the Koha editor some fields have their own label, but not all. If the field has subfields, then the subfields each have a label | |
| 15:39 | kf | hmm |
| 15:40 | oleonard | Tag has no subfields, the description isn't a label |
| 15:40 | kf | I will try to check wtih the library |
| 15:40 | oleonard | http://screencast.com/t/hjRzhtuMAjBc |
| 15:40 | kf | if it's a problem for all fields or only some of them |
| 15:41 | oleonard | The text in all capital letters is not a label. The text below it is. |
| 15:41 | kf | looks right to me |
| 15:41 | seems right? | |
| 15:42 | I wonder what would be better, treat them like headings? | |
| 15:42 | oleonard | One of the problems is that the all-capital-letters text is, for some fields, a link which controls the collapse behavior |
| 15:43 | libsysguy | I have a question about diacritics |
| 15:43 | some of ours are messed up | |
| 15:43 | is that a mysql issue | |
| 15:43 | kf | oleonard: hm |
| 15:44 | sekjal | libsysguy: it's possible. what are your MySQL encodings for your Koha database? |
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| 15:45 | libsysguy | can you refresh me on how to check that |
| 15:45 | is it in my.cnf? | |
| 15:45 | or is there a mysql command that i can run | |
| 15:46 | jcamins | libsysguy: probaby not MySQL encoding, but it's worth checking. |
| 15:46 | SHOW CREATE TABLE biblioitem; | |
| 15:46 | lastnode | oleonard: yes im using the LOC call numbers, though some books i am entering dont hvae LOC entries. |
| 15:46 | which is why i asked. | |
| 15:46 | jcamins | I think that will tell you what the encoding is set to. |
| 15:46 | lastnode | the dewey numbers i grab from LOC - ive been trying to interpret them too. sometimes they dotn amke sense :( |
| 15:46 | (I am not a Librarian) | |
| 15:46 | oleonard | lastnode: Do you have an example? |
| 15:47 | lastnode | sure |
| 15:47 | libsysguy | the charset is utf8 |
| 15:47 | lastnode | 944.083/6 - Charles de Gaulle - Lacouture, Jean. |
| 15:48 | that is History & geography>>History of Europe>>France & Monaco | |
| 15:48 | (944) now i want to know what .083 means. andthen /6 | |
| 15:48 | libsysguy | hmm so maybe the record import is not importing correctly? |
| 15:50 | seen hdl? | |
| 15:50 | wahanui | hdl was last seen on #koha 6 hours, 1 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: rangi: i had some news from Bengard yesterday [Tue Sep 13 09:48:41 2011] |
| 15:50 | jcamins | .083 is part of the classification. |
| 15:50 | /6 is giving you an option for going into more detail. | |
| 15:51 | kf | oleonard: thank you |
| 15:52 | oleonard: I will ask for more details and perhaps they have a suggeston what would work better | |
| 15:56 | oleonard | Isn't there a git command where you can step through commits to see where a bug arose? |
| 15:57 | jcamins | git bisect. |
| 15:57 | wahanui | git bisect is our friend here |
| 16:03 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.4.x build #43: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.4.x/43/ |
| 16:03 | * ian.walls: Bug 6860: SyndeticsClientCode improperly scoped on many OPAC pages | |
| 16:03 | * ian.walls: Bug 6863: Shelf Browser images not showing up | |
| 16:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6860 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , syndetics covers not showing on search results or shelf browse |
| 16:03 | jenkins_koha | * magnus: Bug 6517 - [REVISED] koha-create wants "use database" in DEFAULTSQL |
| 16:03 | * Chris Cormack: While testing the commits for 6716 I discovered a couple of missing | |
| 16:03 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing - doc-head-close/open.inc | |
| 16:03 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / overdue.tt | |
| 16:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6863 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , covers missing from shelf browse for various services |
| 16:03 | jenkins_koha | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / review.tt |
| 16:03 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / authorities.tt | |
| 16:03 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / 3x reports/... | |
| 16:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6517 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , koha-create wants "use database" in DEFAULTSQL |
| 16:03 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing | |
| 16:03 | jenkins_koha | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing - masthead.inc |
| 16:03 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / acqui/... | |
| 16:03 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / cataloguing/... | |
| 16:03 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / opac-detail.tt | |
| 16:03 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing - rotating_collections/... | |
| 16:03 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / serials/... | |
| 16:03 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / sco-main.tt | |
| 16:03 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / suggestion | |
| 16:03 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6458: Incorrect translation processing / results | |
| 16:03 | * robin: Bug 6651 - fix splitting of names when updating to 3.4 | |
| 16:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6651 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, NEW , koha-upgrade-to-3.4 fails when multiple instances are present |
| 16:07 | oleonard | lastnode: The only way to find out exactly what the .083 /means/ is to find a DDC reference, which you'll have to pay for |
| 16:07 | ...because OCLC isn't looking out for you, it just wants your money. | |
| 16:07 | kf | oh wow |
| 16:08 | oleonard | So for instance, our DDC reference says the .083 means "Period of the Fifth Republic, 1958-" |
| 16:08 | And then it says .083 6 means "1958-1969" | |
| 16:08 | .083 7 means 1970-1979, .083 8 means 1980-1989, etc. | |
| 16:08 | Does that make sense lastnode? | |
| 16:09 | libsysguy | sekjal, jcamins and example of our encoding problem http://catalog.uttyler.edu/cgi[…]blionumber=421669 |
| 16:10 | kf | libsysguy: hm, perhaps the font does not provide this character? or wrong normalization form? looks almost like a ö umlaut to me - but the '' look a bit weird on the cover |
| 16:11 | oleonard | I've seen something similar, and it wasn't a font problem. |
| 16:11 | kf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s_number |
| 16:12 | I would try copy and paste from there and check if it still looks weird ) | |
| 16:12 | jcamins | libsysguy: looks like you need to re-encode your catalog. |
| 16:12 | * oleonard | can do so using Firebug and see the correct character |
| 16:13 | libsysguy | jcamins prepare for my newb question |
| 16:13 | jcamins | libsysguy: sekjal has a script that does it, I think. |
| 16:13 | libsysguy | how do I do that |
| 16:13 | ohh so i have to do it with a script | |
| 16:13 | * jcamins | shamlessly passes the buck. |
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| 16:13 | jcamins | sekjal: didn't you write a script that fixes encoding issues like this? |
| 16:15 | kf | ok, time to go :) bye all! |
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| 16:20 | lastnode | oleonard: so there is no public list of post-decimal classifications? |
| 16:20 | oleonard | The Dewey Decimal Classification system is property of OCLC |
| 16:20 | jcamins | lastnode: the official DDC books. |
| 16:21 | oleonard | lastnode: Or you can pay for online access I think |
| 16:21 | jcamins | Or the online version. |
| 16:21 | Regardless, you have to pay for it. | |
| 16:22 | oleonard | The marc editor is pretty hardcore if advancedMarceditor and hide_marc are both set to "don't display" http://screencast.com/t/SSA0kqEzV7C |
| 16:22 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 16:24 | sekjal | libsysguy: doesn't look like a normalization problem, which is what I've figured out a scripted fix for |
| 16:25 | lastnode | right, oleonard. i guess i could start with just doing primary dewey classification (no decimals) and then seeing if i can get my school to pay for OCLC access later |
| 16:25 | thank you very much for your help | |
| 16:25 | libsysguy | hmm |
| 16:25 | sekjal | looks like the data in the MARC is just plain wrong. not sure if re-encoding from MARC-8 to UTF-8 would help... |
| 16:26 | oleonard | lastnode: There's no reason for you not to follow the suggestion of the LOC CIP data, but for original cataloging you might skip the decimals |
| 16:26 | lastnode: Are you using z39.50 to search for existing records? | |
| 16:27 | lastnode | oleonard: yes |
| 16:27 | libsysguy | sekjal I think they are importing in Marc-21 |
| 16:27 | oleonard | lastnode: Good. |
| 16:29 | sekjal | libsysguy: MARC-21 is the Marc flavour; MARC-8 would be the character encoding |
| 16:29 | jcamins | sekjal: this is what the ANS ran into, that you wrote the script to fix. |
| 16:30 | It was encoded as MARC-8, but treated as UTF-8. | |
| 16:31 | libsysguy | ohh...ok...I told margo to verify that the records with diacritics from one of our librarians were correct...the other librarian uses connexion (sp) so that may be causing the issue |
| 16:32 | sekjal | jcamins: I don't recall such a fix; I do remember using TouchBiblios.pl to update the Normalization |
| 16:32 | but that was to fix indexing | |
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| 16:36 | jcamins | sekjal: way back at the very beginning. |
| 16:36 | sekjal: never mind. | |
| 16:36 | sekjal: I was the one who fixed it. | |
| 16:36 | libsysguy: sekjal is so awesome, he deserves credit for everything. :D | |
| 16:37 | libsysguy | haha that is how I generally feel when working with sekjal |
| 16:38 | lastnode | so im off |
| 16:38 | oleonard++ | |
| 16:38 | chris_n | stupid firefox |
| 16:38 | lastnode | thanks again, mate |
| 16:38 | jcamins | Unfortunately for you, the fix I came up with is not usable in your context. |
| 16:38 | oleonard | Sure thing lastnode |
| 16:38 | * libsysguy | is trying to merge hourly with master |
| 16:38 | is frustrated | |
| 16:38 | jcamins | To avoid this being an issue in the future, have them select the encoding MARC-8 when staging records from a file. |
| 16:39 | (at least, the files from this particular source) | |
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| 16:44 | oleonard | Hi nengard! |
| 16:46 | nengard | it's Brian; I'm just transferring files. Nicole's doing fine, but can't really use her computer right now. |
| 16:46 | oleonard | Give her our best |
| 16:47 | * libsysguy | is finally done rebasing |
| 16:48 | jcamins | Hi, bengard. Tell Nicole that Myshkin was already to visit and offer post-operation comfort: http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net[…]_2000990890_n.jpg |
| 16:48 | s/already/all ready/ | |
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| 16:56 | libsysguy | in Auth.pm I see a line that says "use vars qw($some_vars);" where do those vars get set? |
| 16:56 | I only ask because I'm using LDAP and I was getting an error but when i tell auth to use auth_with_ldap it starts working again | |
| 16:57 | jcamins | wizzyrea: Lawrence Public Library is part of NEKLS, right? |
| 16:57 | sekjal | libsysguy: I think that was fixed in current HEAD |
| 16:57 | some of the CAS improvements damaged LDAP connections | |
| 16:57 | libsysguy | b-b-but i just rebased on that |
| 16:58 | :'( | |
| 16:58 | jcamins | wizzyrea: If they are, tell them their "A book commits suicide every time you watch Jersey Shore" PSA is awesome. |
| 16:58 | sekjal | libsysguy: did you pull the most recent master code before? |
| 16:59 | this was fixed last week or so (very recent) | |
| 16:59 | libsysguy | god I hope I remembered to do that |
| 16:59 | I checked out hourly on my dev box then merged it with origin/master | |
| 16:59 | that should pull the most recent right? | |
| 17:05 | jcamins | libsysguy: only if you did git fetch origin first. |
| 17:05 | sekjal | ^^ |
| 17:05 | libsysguy | crap... |
| 17:06 | jcamins | libsysguy: but if you already resolved some of the conflicts, it won't be so painful when you merge in the rest. |
| 17:06 | Just run git fetch origin | |
| 17:06 | And rerun the merge command. | |
| 17:07 | libsysguy | always a conflict with updatedatabase *smh* |
| 17:09 | jcamins | Yeah, that's pretty much a given. |
| 17:10 | libsysguy | omg...all the comments in kohastructure :'( |
| 17:10 | there is no face to represent eternal sadness | |
| 17:12 | after a merge do I have to commit or can i just consider it done? | |
| 17:12 | jcamins | Run git status and see what it says. |
| 17:12 | libsysguy | lots of changes need to be committed |
| 17:12 | lol | |
| 17:13 | is it just git commit -m "merged branch" | |
| 17:13 | jcamins | I have no idea. I've never used merge. |
| 17:13 | libsysguy | me either :'( |
| 17:13 | jcamins | Are you sure you don't have to correct the conflict, add the file, then run something like git merge --continue? |
| 17:17 | libsysguy | jcamins hmm looks like you have to commit then do a pull |
| 17:17 | jcamins | Could be. |
| 17:19 | libsysguy | this is a mess...how does sekjal do this for the whole community |
| 17:19 | * sekjal | doesn't |
| 17:20 | sekjal | I just write and test code |
| 17:20 | okay, sometimes there is rebasing | |
| 17:20 | libsysguy | haha ohh I thought you were the merge master :p |
| 17:20 | is that rangi? | |
| 17:20 | sekjal | libsysguy: yes, rangi is RM for 3.6, and does all the committing to the Koha master branch |
| 17:21 | chris_n is release maintainer for 3.4, and merges things into 3.4.x branch | |
| 17:21 | libsysguy | poor rangi...I'm surprised he is always in such a good mood |
| 17:22 | I'd be angry all the time dealing with code conflicts lol | |
| 17:24 | sekjal | libsysguy: I'm going to make some green tea; would you care for an e-cup? |
| 17:24 | libsysguy | i would indeed love a cup |
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| 17:25 | wizzyrea | jcamins: LPL is *in* NEKLS, but isn't part of NExpress (yet, if ever) |
| 17:25 | * libsysguy | successfully merged master and hourly |
| 17:26 | libsysguy | does that make me done for the day? |
| 17:26 | sekjal | libsysguy: huzzah! |
| 17:27 | * chris_n | crawls out of the woodwork upon hearing his name |
| 17:29 | jcamins | wizzyrea: well, I guess you probably don't talk to them much, but if you do, great PSA. :) |
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| 17:36 | * sekjal | pours libsysguy some tea |
| 17:37 | cait | oh |
| 17:37 | can I have some too? | |
| 17:37 | * sekjal | pours cait a cup, as well |
| 17:38 | cait | mm :) |
| 17:38 | * cait | tried to make tea a minute ago, but forgot to put the tea leaves into the tea pot before adding water |
| 17:38 | cait | long day |
| 17:39 | jcamins | I hate it when I do that. |
| 17:39 | It's not quite as bad as when you forget to heat the water, though. | |
| 17:39 | cait | hehe true |
| 17:51 | ok, now it worked - green tea someone? | |
| 18:03 | Jesse_ joined #koha | |
| 18:04 | jcamins | By the way, was anyone able to figure out what the point of the Open Bibliography Principles is? |
| 18:07 | Brooke joined #koha | |
| 18:07 | Brooke | kia ora |
| 18:07 | it's doin' it again! | |
| 18:08 | francharb left #koha | |
| 18:08 | Brooke | if I go to edit http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Notifications_RFC |
| 18:08 | it's taking me to edit the template for rfcs | |
| 18:08 | so I cancelled out | |
| 18:19 | juan_sieira joined #koha | |
| 18:19 | gmcharlt | jcamins: it's been out there for a while -- and pretty important, at least to the extent that it makes libraries think twice before automatically assigning their bibliographic data to an entity that would try to make it proprietary |
| 18:21 | wizzyrea | jcamins do you have the link to that PSA? |
| 18:21 | I (shamefully) admit I haven't seen it | |
| 18:24 | jcamins | wizzyrea: http://www.facebook.com/media/[…]06942.94990393649 |
| 18:24 | Third row from the bottom, second from the left. | |
| 18:25 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 18:26 | ty | |
| 18:27 | jcamins | gmcharlt: ah. Thanks. Suddenly people have been e-mailing it to all my mailing lists, and I can't quite figure out why. |
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| 19:36 | rangi | Morning |
| 19:37 | oleonard | Hi rangi |
| 19:39 | rangi | @wunder wellington nz |
| 19:39 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on September 14, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:39 | rangi | gonna be a nice day, crisp morning and now blue sky |
| 19:43 | druthb joined #koha | |
| 19:43 | druthb | wizzyrea++ |
| 19:43 | rangi | I hope the solvent smell is gone |
| 19:43 | wizzyrea | what'd I do? |
| 19:43 | rangi | new carpet is stinky |
| 19:43 | wizzyrea | ew |
| 19:43 | yes | |
| 19:43 | yes it is | |
| 19:44 | rangi | redoing all the aircon, and carpets and stuff in the building |
| 19:44 | wizzyrea | stinky |
| 19:44 | rangi | most importantly recabling too |
| 19:45 | wizzyrea | ooooo |
| 19:47 | rangi | @later tell libsysguy merging code in git doesn't make me angry, I just think back to svn and cvs, and git could punch me in the face and it would still be better |
| 19:47 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:49 | maximep | so true |
| 19:49 | gmcharlt | @quote add <rangi> merging code in git doesn't make me angry, I just think back to svn and cvs, and git could punch me in the face and it would still be better |
| 19:49 | huginn | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #153 added. |
| 19:50 | wizzyrea | ok that made me spit water out of my nose. |
| 19:51 | rangi | @quote random |
| 19:51 | huginn | rangi: Quote #101: "<darling> I still need to catch up with current Koha. Is pretty dreamy already." (added by gmcharlt at 02:44 AM, October 29, 2010) |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 19:51 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011) |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | ah that's a number I should remember |
| 19:51 | * wizzyrea | loves how everyone now calls it a "quote 123 problem" |
| 19:52 | rangi | heh |
| 19:53 | jcamins | @quote get 123 |
| 19:53 | huginn | jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 19:53 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 19:53 | Right. | |
| 19:54 | cait | hehe |
| 19:55 | rangi | oh heres some cool news |
| 19:55 | the nz treasury dept is presenting on koha tomorrow | |
| 19:55 | to the special library association | |
| 19:55 | wizzyrea | Nice! |
| 19:55 | rangi | session sold out |
| 19:55 | wizzyrea | lol! |
| 19:57 | rangi | yeah pretty neat, the best salespeople are always happy users :) |
| 19:57 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 20:00 | cait | :) |
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| 20:02 | rangi | 3 games today |
| 20:02 | wizzyrea | who's playing? |
| 20:03 | andersonbd1 | total newbie looking for help :-) |
| 20:03 | oleonard | Go for it andersonbd1 |
| 20:03 | * wizzyrea | resists the urge to quote get 145 :) |
| 20:03 | rangi | hmm I know Georgia is, can't member the others, namibia too I think |
| 20:03 | druthb | @quote get 145 |
| 20:03 | huginn | druthb: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011) |
| 20:03 | rangi | maybe canada |
| 20:03 | * druthb | doesn't resist. |
| 20:04 | andersonbd1 | I went through all the install steps and got to the point where I go to the browser (http://ubuntu:8080) - which is the name of my machine |
| 20:04 | and I got this error: | |
| 20:04 | Software error: | |
| 20:04 | Can't call method "id" on an undefined value at InstallAuth.pm line 291. | |
| 20:04 | For help, please send mail to the webmaster (webmasterubuntu), giving this error message and the time and date of the error. |
|
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| 20:05 | rangi | what version are u installing? |
| 20:05 | 3.4.4 ? | |
| 20:05 | wahanui | 3.4.4 is the current stable release |
| 20:06 | wizzyrea | maybe a better question |
| 20:06 | where did you download it from? | |
| 20:06 | andersonbd1 | koha-3.04.04 |
| 20:07 | rangi | cool |
| 20:07 | andersonbd1 | http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ |
| 20:07 | wizzyrea | :) what he said |
| 20:07 | rangi | hmm and you have no missing modules? |
| 20:07 | * rangi | hasn't bumped into this one before |
| 20:07 | andersonbd1 | not sure about that - how do I know if modules are missing? |
| 20:08 | rangi | my stop bbiab |
| 20:08 | wizzyrea | well make test will usually give you a hint |
| 20:08 | andersonbd1 | make test passed |
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| 20:11 | wizzyrea | what version of ubuntu? |
| 20:11 | * wizzyrea | idly wonders if you are missing CGI::Session |
| 20:12 | andersonbd1 | andersonbd1ubuntu:~/koha-3.04.04$ uname -a |
| 20:12 | Linux ubuntu 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | |
| 20:13 | I have CGI::Session (disclaimer: I am a perl/CPAN novice)... I've been using apt-get to install these modules (eg: sudo apt-get install libcgi-session-perl) | |
| 20:14 | rangi | yeah apt-get is definitely the best way to do it |
| 20:15 | andersonbd1: can you try this | |
| 20:15 | in your unpacked tarball | |
| 20:15 | run | |
| 20:15 | ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m | |
| 20:16 | wizzyrea | oo, I smell a faq there. |
| 20:17 | andersonbd1 | andersonbd1ubuntu:~/koha-3.04.04$ ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m |
| 20:17 | Module Name Current Version Required Version Module Required | |
| 20:17 | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | |
| 20:17 | Authen::CAS::Client 0 * 0.05 Yes | |
| 20:17 | Biblio::EndnoteStyle 0 * 0.05 Yes | |
| 20:17 | CGI::Session::Driver::memc 0 * 0.04 No | |
| 20:17 | CGI::Session::Serialize::y 0 * 4.2 Yes | |
| 20:17 | DBD::SQLite2 0 * 0.33 No | |
| 20:17 | Data::ICal 0 * 0.13 Yes | |
| 20:17 | Date::ICal 0 * 1.72 Yes | |
| 20:17 | wizzyrea | so, some stuff. |
| 20:17 | andersonbd1 | DateTime 0 * 0.51 Yes |
| 20:17 | Email::Date 0 * 1.103 Yes | |
| 20:17 | Graphics::Magick 0 * 1.3.05 No | |
| 20:17 | HTML::Template::Pro 0 * 0.69 Yes | |
| 20:17 | HTTP::OAI 0 * 3.2 Yes | |
| 20:17 | rangi | looks like lots missing ;) |
| 20:17 | andersonbd1 | Lingua::Stem::Snowball 0 * 0.952 Yes |
| 20:17 | rangi | oh btw, in future, you can use |
| 20:17 | wizzyrea | afk |
| 20:17 | andersonbd1 | Locale::Currency::Format 0 * 1.28 Yes |
| 20:17 | Locale::PO 0 * 0.17 Yes | |
| 20:17 | MARC::Crosswalk::DublinCor 0 * | |
| 20:17 | aha - I need to install all of those don't I? | |
| 20:17 | rangi | paste.koha-community.org |
| 20:18 | if you want to paste something ;) | |
| 20:18 | yep, that would be my firsl step | |
| 20:18 | CGI::Session::Serialize::yaml | |
| 20:18 | that is the one missing that is causing your immediate error | |
| 20:18 | but you will need them all | |
| 20:19 | andersonbd1 | thanks much rangi. will do that and report back. not sure how to use that past.koha-community.org link - am I missing something obvious? |
| 20:19 | rangi | http://paste.koha-community.org/ you go here |
| 20:19 | paste into that big box | |
| 20:19 | change the channel to #koha | |
| 20:19 | wahanui | rangi: that doesn't look right |
| 20:19 | wahanui joined #koha | |
| 20:19 | rangi | and hit paste it |
| 20:20 | pastebot | "rangi" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "like this" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/35 |
| 20:24 | andersonbd1 | in a browser? I don't see anything when I go there. |
| 20:24 | rangi | weird you should get a form |
| 20:24 | can others see it? | |
| 20:26 | pastebin.com would work too | |
| 20:32 | maximep | sure works for me |
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| 20:34 | rhcl | andersonbd1: drop off the final "35" from the link above and you should see the blank form. Just this: http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 20:41 | wizzyrea | oh and andersonbd1, on ubuntu you can get the nice name by executing lsb_release -irc |
| 20:42 | or you can cat /etc/lsb-release | |
| 20:57 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_5234' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fed41e4c069e96c32> / Fix for Bug 5234 - Remove unused CSS files <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a02da25ae04122d86> |
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| 21:07 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 411 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 26 j ago) |
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| 21:19 | maximep | probably not normal that your jenkins outputs : Devel::Cover: Can't find file "cmp_ok |
| 21:20 | mine doesn't | |
| 21:44 | maximep left #koha | |
| 21:47 | sekjal | night, all! |
| 21:52 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #411: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/411/ |
| 21:52 | oleonard: Fix for Bug 5234 - Remove unused CSS files | |
| 21:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5234 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove unused CSS files |
| 21:58 | rangi | right |
| 21:58 | im gonna try to push some more bug 6458 | |
| 21:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing |
| 21:58 | rangi | get these tests not failing |
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| 22:31 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_6458' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]13ad159d8c70aafc6> / Follow-up fix for Bug 6458, incorrect parsing result in translation processing <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]24e8dac7d0a24ebd0> / Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing |
| 22:37 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 412 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 26 j ago) |
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| 22:44 | libsysguy | hey guys |
| 22:44 | I have a question about fines | |
| 22:45 | rangi | yup |
| 22:45 | libsysguy | so it looks like fines calculate a day late? |
| 22:45 | rangi | ? |
| 22:45 | they calculate acording to your circ rules | |
| 22:46 | libsysguy | well if a person is lets say 45 minutes late turning in a book |
| 22:46 | rangi | yup |
| 22:46 | libsysguy | then the chargeable_units would still be 0 right? |
| 22:46 | rangi | ? |
| 22:46 | libsysguy | because it does end_date-start_date |
| 22:47 | rangi | are you talking hourly loans, or normal koha |
| 22:47 | libsysguy | well they both run on the same code in this case |
| 22:47 | but normal koha for the example im trying to fix | |
| 22:47 | basically we had a prof turn in a book the day after it was due | |
| 22:47 | rangi | for normal koha, the minimum period for a book to be overdue is 1 |
| 22:47 | libsysguy | Koha said the item was overdue |
| 22:47 | rangi | day |
| 22:47 | libsysguy | but didn't assess a fine |
| 22:48 | rangi | for fines, because thats the minimum period you can define for the fine to be applied |
| 22:48 | and it only works it out, when the cron job runs | |
| 22:48 | libsysguy | right so the cron run every 30 minutes |
| 22:48 | rangi | so if someone has returned it before the cron job runs, then it wont get a fine |
| 22:49 | right so for normal koha, it only gets a fine if its returned on a day other than the day it was due | |
| 22:49 | times dont matter | |
| 22:49 | only the day | |
| 22:50 | libsysguy | so the day after it was due there should be a fine...right |
| 22:50 | rangi | depends what your circ rules say |
| 22:50 | libsysguy | I;m thinking time shouldn't come into play here since its still running at night |
| 22:50 | well the interval is set to one | |
| 22:50 | so yes I would assume it would | |
| 22:50 | rangi | whats the grace period set to |
| 22:51 | libsysguy | 0 |
| 22:51 | rangi | then yes after 1 day overdue, it should apply a fine |
| 22:51 | libsysguy | but (going by what my circulation librarian told me) the patron turned the item in the day after it was due with no charge |
| 22:51 | odd... | |
| 22:51 | rangi | well you can check it in the db, it will log the returndate |
| 22:51 | libsysguy | btw i understand your frustration with SVN...Coral uses it still :'( |
| 22:52 | what table? | |
| 22:52 | rangi | old_issues |
| 22:52 | that has all the returned itesm | |
| 22:52 | and/or statistics | |
| 22:53 | select * from statistics where itemnumber= whatever and type='return'; | |
| 22:53 | that has a nice datetime stamp on it, so will tell you exactly when it was returned | |
| 22:53 | libsysguy | gotcha |
| 22:54 | ok I'll investigate further...it may be that the librarian is crazy ;) | |
| 22:54 | eythian | often the way ;) |
| 22:55 | libsysguy | oh trust me I know |
| 22:55 | eythian | jcamins: you can, yep |
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| 23:01 | libsysguy | ok so the due date was 2011-09-12 23:59:00 and the return date was 2011-09-13 13:38:58 |
| 23:02 | so based on normal koha would you say fine or no fine | |
| 23:02 | rangi | you are sure the fines cron job runs every 30 mins? |
| 23:03 | (on normal koha we just run it once a day) | |
| 23:03 | round 6am | |
| 23:03 | libsysguy | 30 * * * * $KOHA_CRON_PATH/fines.pl |
| 23:03 | is what I have in my crontab | |
| 23:03 | rangi | id have expected, that one would go on at 00:30 on the 13th then |
| 23:04 | given the appropriate circ rules being set | |
| 23:04 | look in /tmp | |
| 23:04 | libsysguy | that is what I would have expected as well |
| 23:04 | rangi | there should be some .log files |
| 23:05 | probably running it every 30 mins makes them less useful tho | |
| 23:05 | libsysguy | heh |
| 23:05 | look at the ones for the 13th? | |
| 23:05 | rangi | yeah |
| 23:06 | libsysguy | oh man...so should I look for anything in particular |
| 23:06 | just the patron | |
| 23:06 | rangi | yeah |
| 23:06 | its a tab sep file | |
| 23:06 | libsysguy | yeah i see the patron |
| 23:06 | rangi | you can open it libreoffice or gnumeric it makes its easier to read |
| 23:07 | anything in the fines column? | |
| 23:07 | libsysguy | but no fine at the end...it just says 0 |
| 23:07 | rangi | right |
| 23:07 | one thing to check | |
| 23:07 | in sysprefs | |
| 23:07 | libsysguy | but the days overdue also says 0 |
| 23:07 | rangi | right, that would be why it didnt do it then |
| 23:07 | libsysguy | what is sysprefs? |
| 23:08 | rangi | other fines are going on eh? |
| 23:08 | libsysguy | I believe so |
| 23:08 | rangi | but if its saying 0 days overdue, then yeah its not gonna charge anything |
| 23:08 | libsysguy | I tested fines for hourly |
| 23:08 | rangi | what does it say for date_due |
| 23:08 | libsysguy | and it was working (or so I thought |
| 23:09 | the 12th | |
| 23:09 | same as the db | |
| 23:09 | rangi | its the 14th here today |
| 23:09 | and i see things like | |
| 23:10 | Library Assistant 10398 141155 2011-09-13 1 | |
| 23:10 | so its picking it as 1 day overdue | |
| 23:10 | my guess its it somethign to do with circ rules | |
| 23:11 | libsysguy | hmm |
| 23:11 | rangi | or the changes to do with hourly |
| 23:11 | libsysguy | this is what I have 712830 0000002027266 2011-09-12 23:59:00 0 0 |
| 23:11 | rangi | yeah see in normal koha, there is no time, just date |
| 23:11 | libsysguy | well there are only about 3 lines in the fines script that changed for hourly |
| 23:11 | but...maybe | |
| 23:12 | I can try merging...but not till this weekend | |
| 23:12 | rangi | and thats the file for the 13th eh? |
| 23:12 | libsysguy | yes it is |
| 23:13 | rangi | interesting i see nothin that have 0 for days overdue |
| 23:13 | libsysguy | I found that odd as well |
| 23:13 | that it saw it as overdue but didn't put a number in for it | |
| 23:13 | rangi | (3505 lines for this mornings run) |
| 23:13 | yeah | |
| 23:14 | so i suspect the code that is calculating how overdue something is | |
| 23:14 | that is the problem | |
| 23:14 | lemme check it out | |
| 23:14 | ($datedue_days <= $today_days) or next; | |
| 23:15 | its getting past that, so thats good | |
| 23:15 | libsysguy | ok...in the mean time I have dinner planned with my Swede...ill be back on later if you're still around? |
| 23:15 | rangi | CalcFine |
| 23:16 | $overdueItemsCounted++; | |
| 23:16 | my ($amount,$type,$daycounttotal,$daycount)= | |
| 23:16 | CalcFine($data->[$i] | |
| 23:16 | that sets the amount, and how overdue | |
| 23:16 | ill investigate what changed for 5549 | |
| 23:16 | yep ill be here | |
| 23:16 | libsysguy | oh oh |
| 23:17 | i have this | |
| 23:17 | my $datedue = dt_from_string( $overdue->{date_due} ); | |
| 23:17 | if ( DateTime->compare( $datedue, $today ) == 1 ) { | |
| 23:17 | next; # not overdue | |
| 23:17 | } | |
| 23:17 | ++$counted; | |
| 23:17 | my ( $amount, $type, $daycounttotal ) = | |
| 23:17 | CalcFine( $overdue, $borrower->{categorycode}, | |
| 23:17 | $branchcode, $datedue, $today ); | |
| 23:17 | oops...should have used pastebin...my bad | |
| 23:17 | rangi | yeah thats diff |
| 23:17 | in master its | |
| 23:17 | ($datedue_days <= $today_days) or next; # or it's not overdue, right? | |
| 23:17 | libsysguy | hmm...ok ill focus on that when i get back |
| 23:18 | rangi | but i dont think thats the problem |
| 23:18 | i think its CalcFine itself | |
| 23:18 | libsysguy | gotta run...sorry rangi...gf is complaining about being hungry :'( |
| 23:18 | rangi | thats change |
| 23:18 | libsysguy | ok |
| 23:18 | rangi | cya later |
| 23:20 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #412: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/412/ |
| 23:20 | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing | |
| 23:20 | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing | |
| 23:20 | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing | |
| 23:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing |
| 23:20 | jenkins_koha | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing |
| 23:20 | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing | |
| 23:20 | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing | |
| 23:20 | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing | |
| 23:20 | * katrin.fischer: Fix for Bug 6458 Follow-up for memberentrygen.tt | |
| 23:20 | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing / patron-attr-types | |
| 23:20 | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing | |
| 23:20 | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing | |
| 23:20 | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing / clone-rules | |
| 23:20 | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing / branches | |
| 23:20 | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing | |
| 23:20 | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6458 - incorrect parsing result in translation processing | |
| 23:20 | * oleonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 6458, incorrect parsing result in translation processing | |
| 23:22 | rangi | yes the entire CalcFine sub has changed |
| 23:23 | try git show 5c7c3377 when you get back | |
| 23:34 | my $days_minus_grace = $chargeable_units - $data->{firstremind}; if ($data->{'chargeperiod'} && $days_minus_grace ) { | |
| 23:34 | i suspect $days_minus_grace is becoming 0 | |
| 23:34 | return ($amount, $data->{chargename}, $days_minus_grace); | |
| 23:34 | that should give you enough to go on |
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