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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:02 | lastnode | hi all |
| 00:03 | we start using koha at my school today, as a pilot! | |
| 00:05 | eythian | awesome :) |
| 00:05 | rhcl | cool beans |
| 00:11 | lastnode | this is the first time im running a vps |
| 00:11 | and i didnt realise so many people wanetd my box | |
| 00:11 | Irma left #koha | |
| 00:15 | lastnode | /var/log is 4gig |
| 00:15 | lol | |
| 00:15 | is that normal? | |
| 00:16 | i dont run a mailserver. i dont need one. | |
| 00:16 | Sep 7 05:45:21 li328-112 nullmailer[16175]: Sending failed: Host not found | |
| 00:16 | mail.err is full of stuff liek taht | |
| 00:17 | eythian | hmm, that's fishy |
| 00:17 | lastnode | as is mail.warn |
| 00:17 | eythian | does nullmailer have something telling you what it's trying to do? |
| 00:17 | lastnode | no |
| 00:18 | it's possibly fail2ban though | |
| 00:18 | eythian | Also, I recommend running a real mailserver anyway, it's smarter and also will send you things like cron job messages when something goes wrong. |
| 00:18 | it seems unlikely that fail2ban would cause that. | |
| 00:18 | rangi | it doesnt need to listen on anything other than localhost:25 too |
| 00:18 | lastnode | because fail2ban tries to mail me stuff |
| 00:18 | eythian | ahh |
| 00:18 | I see then | |
| 00:18 | rangi | that way koha can send mail also |
| 00:18 | which it does do | |
| 00:18 | eythian | turn the mailing off. |
| 00:18 | lastnode | eythian: but certainly not every second like mail.err shows |
| 00:19 | so i just apt-get exim4? | |
| 00:19 | rangi | naw |
| 00:19 | lastnode | i dont have a FQDN btw, only a hostname |
| 00:19 | rangi | a real mailserver ;) |
| 00:19 | postfix | |
| 00:19 | lastnode | linode seems to recommend exim4 |
| 00:19 | for whatever reason | |
| 00:19 | eythian | it's the debian default, but I also prefer postfix |
| 00:19 | mostly because I know it better. | |
| 00:20 | lastnode | i would prefer to simply not runa mailserver though, ill be watching koha logs etc. |
| 00:20 | is it essential? | |
| 00:20 | i will run one when we deploy fully with asubdomain, i think | |
| 00:20 | rangi | how can koha send overdue notices, or warn people their reserves are ready etc |
| 00:20 | without it | |
| 00:21 | eythian | Unix systems like having a mailserver. Lots of processes want to tell you things. |
| 00:21 | rangi | it doesnt have to listen on an external ip |
| 00:22 | ie you dont have to be able to send it stuff | |
| 00:22 | lastnode | ok |
| 00:22 | so ill need mutt to read root mail? | |
| 00:22 | rangi | not if you have a mailserver |
| 00:22 | you could just do an alias | |
| 00:23 | in /etc/aliases | |
| 00:23 | root: youremail.address |
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| 00:24 | lastnode | can i safely remove mail.err and mail.warn? |
| 00:24 | they aer 1gig together | |
| 00:25 | eythian | yeah |
| 00:26 | lastnode | i have nullmailer |
| 00:26 | installed, eythian. what's taht? | |
| 00:26 | eythian | that's a really basic MTA that I don't usually recommend using |
| 00:26 | rangi | it just lets you relay through a smarthost |
| 00:27 | lastnode | ok |
| 00:27 | im wondering if ive been exploited now | |
| 00:27 | hrm | |
| 00:27 | rangi | http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/ |
| 00:27 | lastnode | yeah i mean apt is saying it's gonna remove nullmailer |
| 00:27 | rangi | most likely its bounces bouncing of bounces |
| 00:27 | lastnode | inception |
| 00:27 | rangi | yeah you dont want it and a real MTA |
| 00:27 | eythian | that's normal, because nullmailer pretends to be a mailserver, so you can't have it and postfix installed at the same time. |
| 00:28 | lastnode | ok getting postfix bc you guys are fans! |
| 00:28 | i set it up as local onloy, right? | |
| 00:28 | *only | |
| 00:28 | jcamins_away | I tried to set up nullmailer because my server was only sending e-mail to one address, at my own domain. |
| 00:28 | rangi | it needs a relay jcamins_away |
| 00:28 | eythian | no, not local only |
| 00:29 | rangi | (a smarthost) |
| 00:29 | eythian | probably internet site, unless you have a preferred smarthost. |
| 00:29 | lastnode | the setup asks for a FQDN though |
| 00:29 | which i dont have | |
| 00:29 | http://library.linode.com/emai[…]-debian-6-squeeze | |
| 00:29 | eythian | doesn't matter, just say localdomain or whatever |
| 00:29 | * eythian | goes to lunch |
| 00:30 | lastnode | so Internet Site or Internet with smarthost? |
| 00:30 | rangi: ^ | |
| 00:31 | jcamins_away | rangi: yeah, I have a mail server, which according to the docs, is nullmailer's use case. |
| 00:31 | I ultimately concluded that I was better off just using Postfix, because it works. | |
| 00:31 | (I'm sure nullmailer does work, for some people, of course... just commenting on how great Postfix is) | |
| 00:33 | lastnode | jcamins_away: i only want to use mail locally. do i select Internet Site or |
| 00:33 | Internet with smarthost | |
| 00:34 | jcamins_away | Probably Internet site- how else would hold messages get sent? |
| 00:34 | lastnode | jcamins_away: i dont have a FQDN just yet though |
| 00:34 | just a hostname | |
| 00:36 | jcamins_away | Make it koha.yourdomain. |
| 00:38 | lastnode | i dont have a domain jcamins_away |
| 00:39 | jcamins_away | lastnode: call koha koha.localdomain. |
| 00:39 | lastnode | got it |
| 00:39 | jcamins_away | (make it literally "localdomain") |
| 00:39 | However, you're probably going to want a domain. | |
| 00:39 | lastnode | oh, i already set it up as koha.library |
| 00:39 | jcamins_away | IP addresses are pretty unfriendly. |
| 00:39 | lastnode | yes i will haev a subndomain eventually |
| 00:39 | jcamins_away | That works. |
| 00:42 | lastnode | jcamins_away: ive followee this guide http://library.linode.com/emai[…]-debian-6-squeeze |
| 00:42 | how do i check root mail now? do i need to install mutt? | |
| 00:43 | sendmail works | |
| 00:43 | since ive set home_mailbox to = mail/ | |
| 00:44 | i assume ill need to mkdir mail inside /root | |
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| 00:49 | Brooke | kia ora |
| 00:50 | lastnode | hi Brooke |
| 00:52 | Brooke | cait++ |
| 00:52 | and | |
| 00:52 | rangi++ | |
| 00:52 | for not knowing the meaning of later. | |
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| 00:54 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 00:54 | trea | o/ |
| 00:56 | Brooke | :) |
| 01:01 | lastnode | can someone help me with makingsure postfix only listens on 127.0.0.1? |
| 01:02 | Brooke | trea call in the cavalry bro |
| 01:02 | you have magical powers! | |
| 01:03 | lastnode | inet_interfaces = 127.0.0.1 should do it right? |
| 01:04 | Brooke | Example: host running one or more virtual mailers. For each Postfix instance, specify only one of the following. |
| 01:04 | inet_interfaces = virtual.host.tld (virtual Postfix) | |
| 01:04 | inet_interfaces = $myhostname localhost... (non-virtual Postfix) | |
| 01:04 | Note: you need to stop and start Postfix after changing this parameter. | |
| 01:04 | according to http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_C[…]ATION_README.html | |
| 01:04 | so uh | |
| 01:04 | here's hopin. :) | |
| 01:04 | lastnode | yeah i think im good. thanks Brooke! |
| 01:05 | Brooke | <--- didn't do nuffin. |
| 01:10 | trea | lolwut? |
| 01:10 | when you rebuild zebra's indexes, is it best practice to stop the running zebra process first? | |
| 01:11 | * Brooke | thinks that the geeks are in an undisclosed location drinking beer. |
| 01:11 | trea | sweet |
| 01:12 | Brooke | well, not when y'all have geek queries >:) |
| 01:17 | wizzyrea | waddup |
| 01:17 | Brooke | do you have any idea what time it is? |
| 01:17 | * Brooke | crosses her arms. |
| 01:17 | Brooke | I have been waiting out here in the dark, young lady. |
| 01:17 | wizzyrea | time for the kid to be in bed? |
| 01:17 | past my bedtime? | |
| 01:18 | rangi | Brooke: i couldnt read it, it was purely selfish |
| 01:18 | trea | hammertime? |
| 01:18 | wizzyrea | STOP. Hammertime! |
| 01:18 | * Brooke | does the typewriter. |
| 01:18 | * wizzyrea | rather jerkily flails around like a drunken giraffe doing the hammertime dance |
| 01:18 | rangi | trea: i dont usually bother |
| 01:18 | Brooke | rangi: I really _was_ gonna do summat once I had some sleep in me XD |
| 01:18 | woke up this mornin | |
| 01:18 | and it was like "The elves have been here!" | |
| 01:19 | wizzyrea | there were presents under your tree?! |
| 01:19 | Brooke | yep, wiki presents. |
| 01:19 | wizzyrea | oo |
| 01:26 | Brooke | Would I be a bad person if I handed out buzzword bingo cards for my own preso? |
| 01:29 | rangi | heh |
| 01:29 | * Brooke | is sorely tempted... |
| 01:31 | Brooke | who'dathunk broccoli would be so sechsy |
| 01:31 | http://commons.wikimedia.org/w[…]ctal_Broccoli.jpg | |
| 01:32 | trea | ooo |
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| 01:38 | Brooke | 0/ |
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| 01:51 | druthb | o/ |
| 01:51 | wizzyrea | o\ |
| 01:51 | * druthb | squees |
| 01:51 | Brooke | howdy |
| 01:51 | wahanui | what's up, Brooke |
| 01:52 | trea | \o/ |
| 01:53 | druthb | \o/ |
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| 01:55 | Emery | anybody help me? |
| 01:55 | i have a zebra problem | |
| 01:55 | after upgrade it does not do any searching | |
| 01:55 | many people have tried to help but could not get it to work :( | |
| 01:55 | someone want a challange ;) | |
| 02:00 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6687] cannot move people in the holds queue <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6687> |
| 02:35 | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4530] Circulation & fines rules aren't always applied from most specific to less specific <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4530> | |
| 02:50 | wizzyrea | ooo that one's gonna take some srs testing |
| 02:50 | rangi | yup |
| 02:51 | and then some more with the hourly loans stuff too | |
| 02:51 | wizzyrea | yea, proably a good candidate to record some selenium tests |
| 02:52 | i mean if i'm gonna go through the trouble of walkig through holdability, might as well :P | |
| 02:52 | rangi | :) |
| 03:01 | Emery | can anyone help in the next half hour? |
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| 03:10 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 03:10 | Emery | can anyone help in the next half hour? |
| 03:14 | Brooke | is it a Librarianish query? |
| 03:15 | like cataloguing or summat? | |
| 03:15 | Emery | no, installing, zebrasrv stuff |
| 03:15 | Brooke | rats. I'm neigh useless there |
| 03:15 | Emery | oh well |
| 03:16 | =8( | |
| 03:18 | try again tommorow i geuss =8( | |
| 03:21 | eythian | I feel a little bad really, but spent a while trying to work it out yesterday to no avail. |
| 03:21 | rangi | yeah and me before, then liz and owen after |
| 03:21 | i think for 500 books he should just stick with 3.2 | |
| 03:21 | specially as there is no desire to learn at all | |
| 03:21 | Brooke | 500 books = card + stamper :D |
| 03:22 | but it's 500 now that's the problem. Those things multiply like rabbits. | |
| 03:23 | can't he just export the records | |
| 03:23 | install clean | |
| 03:23 | and then reimport? | |
| 03:23 | rangi | you misunderestimate the amount he doesnt want to learn |
| 03:23 | Brooke | ah, sorry mate. |
| 03:24 | rangi | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]11-09-06#i_757330 |
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| 04:05 | Brooke | kamate au |
| 04:06 | * Brooke | suspects that DCA can have their tower route on the little mister's snoring... |
| 04:16 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4831] Actual Price being ignored after receive <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4831> |
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| 04:22 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 04:30 | cait | hi Brooke morning #koha |
| 04:33 | rangi | hi cait |
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| 04:36 | Brooke | hi Oak |
| 04:36 | Oak | Hello Brooke :) |
| 04:36 | Brooke | :)\ |
| 04:37 | Oak | hello #koha |
| 04:37 | Guten Morgen cait | |
| 04:38 | cait | :) |
| 04:39 | I see some interesting patches on the list :) | |
| 04:39 | one for 4831 - yay :) | |
| 04:40 | rangi: do you know if bug 4530 will conflict with hte patches to bring allowonshelfholds to circ matrix? | |
| 04:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4530 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Circulation & fines rules aren't always applied from most specific to less specific |
| 04:43 | rangi | gah my kyboard is brokn |
| 04:43 | missing a lttr can you guss which on | |
| 04:43 | eythian | ə? |
| 04:43 | rangi | :) |
| 04:43 | Brooke | can I buy a vowel? |
| 04:43 | rangi | i think ill call it a day |
| 04:44 | * Brooke | s w key sticks like a bastage. |
| 04:44 | rangi | and gt an nw kyboard tomorrow |
| 04:44 | Brooke | ciao bello |
| 04:45 | cait | :) |
| 04:45 | bye rangi | |
| 04:46 | Oak | see ya rangi. |
| 04:49 | Brooke | right sleepy time for tossers. |
| 05:05 | rangi | back from the bus |
| 05:06 | this driver thinks he is in a race | |
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| 05:39 | eythian | when cataloguing in Koha, does it automatically populate the 001 control field? |
| 05:39 | (I'm seeing a number of records that have 020$a, 245$a, 999$c and $d, and nothing else. It's odd.) | |
| 05:41 | cait | no |
| 05:41 | it doesn't | |
| 05:41 | I think it's only populated if you download the file from somewhere | |
| 05:42 | eythian | ah, my import will always create an 024$a, so I can tell that it's not my data, so not my problem :) |
| 05:42 | cait | and then 004 shows where the number comes from |
| 05:42 | eythian | (and unlikely to cause issues with what I'm doing) |
| 05:42 | ah right | |
| 05:43 | cait | since controlnumber is used for linking records some people have asked for a plugin |
| 05:43 | eythian | I autogenerated one on importing the records, as it needed one to hook up analytics, and it was coming from a not-very-MARC-supporting system. |
| 05:43 | cait | yep, standard says to use control number for linking |
| 05:44 | eythian | yeah. Now I'm just working on having a script edit the headers so that if they are linked up, they have the right types set. |
| 05:44 | So that Koha will actually show the links at all. | |
| 05:44 | * cait | nods |
| 05:45 | cait | you can blame me for that |
| 05:45 | eythian | for which? |
| 05:45 | cait | for the analytics link and checks for the headers |
| 05:46 | eythian | ah yeah. I assume they are to the standard, because they seem pretty strange to me. |
| 05:48 | cait | yes, i tried to keep as close to the standard as possible |
| 05:48 | eythian | OK. Most of the MARC standard is pretty strange to me. |
| 05:48 | cait | I was not sure if anyone else will want to use this |
| 05:48 | we have not only analytics, but also set records for multi-volume things | |
| 05:49 | makes it even stranger :) | |
| 05:49 | eythian | this library wants to use it to catalogue songbooks, and files of newspaper clippings, and such. |
| 05:49 | cait | I thin it will work |
| 05:49 | a little more support by plugins in cataloging woul dbe nice | |
| 05:49 | eythian | it will. I told them how to set it up by hand, and that's fine. It's just too many records to manually change the headers, so I'm automating that step. |
| 05:49 | cait | our libraries use the union catalog software for cataloging, so I have not dealt with that part |
| 05:50 | a plugin to search for anothr record to link with like searching for an authority would be nice | |
| 05:50 | eythian | that'd be good, yeah |
| 05:50 | cait | and a plugin to populate the 001 |
| 05:51 | eythian | that too |
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| 06:11 | cait | dentist :( cya |
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| 06:12 | alex_a | hello |
| 06:19 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6851] A utility that will search out analytics records and set the MARC header appropriately. <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6851> |
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| 06:36 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:47 | hdl | hi all |
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| 06:55 | francharb | h |
| 06:55 | hi | |
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| 07:03 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6680] Cart download choices not understandable to patrons <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6680> |
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| 07:18 | kf | hi #koha |
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| 07:26 | kf | morning paul_p |
| 07:29 | paul_p | good morning Europe |
| 07:29 | (good afternoon Oceania) | |
| 07:43 | lastnode | after adding an item |
| 07:44 | on a biblio | |
| 07:44 | how do i get it t show up | |
| 07:44 | koha-rebuild-zebra? | |
| 07:47 | paul_p: kf? | |
| 07:47 | wahanui | i heard kf was cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss |
| 07:47 | paul_p | lastnode (hello) |
| 07:47 | lastnode | hi paul_p |
| 07:47 | paul_p | yes, after adding item/biblio, rebuild_zebra.pl -z is your friend |
| 07:49 | lastnode | paul_p: using debian packages so koha-rebuild-zebra i guess? |
| 07:49 | paul_p: i cant even findteh biblio from inside the e staff client | |
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| 07:49 | paul_p | lastnode, I don't use debian package, so I don't know (we have developed our tools a long time ago, and still using them) |
| 07:53 | kf | lastnode: you can't search for the record? |
| 07:53 | lastnode: can you search for other records? | |
| 07:53 | lastnode | kf: no |
| 07:54 | if i go directly to /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl?biblionumber=1 i can see it | |
| 07:54 | kf | no to both? |
| 07:54 | lastnode | kf: this si the first record |
| 07:54 | kf | ah ok |
| 07:55 | I am not sure how to setup the indexing cronjobs with the packages | |
| 07:55 | lastnode | kf: i just ran koha-zebra-start |
| 07:55 | kf | ok |
| 07:55 | lastnode | koha-zebra-rebuild etc |
| 07:55 | kf | that sounds about right |
| 07:55 | lastnode | and it didnt give me any error logs |
| 07:55 | kf | zebrasrv needs to be running to make search work |
| 07:55 | and indexing is needed to of course | |
| 07:55 | and you can still not search? | |
| 07:56 | lastnode | kf how can se eif zebraserv is running |
| 07:56 | kf | I found this on the wiki: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ges#Zebra-related |
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| 08:17 | rangi | lastnode: look in /etc/cron.d |
| 08:17 | there should be a file koha-common | |
| 08:18 | in there is the command to rebuild the indexes | |
| 08:19 | you can check your instance is enabled by runing | |
| 08:19 | sudo koha-list --enabled | |
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| 08:41 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5473] 952 fields should be filled in by Acquisitions <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5473> |
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| 09:05 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6750 Guarantor search broken on translated templates <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]74d296566a021d217> / Bug 6256: Many bib1 attributes missing <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]00bd345d9fcead717> |
| 09:06 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 405 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 19 j ago) |
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| 09:40 | lastnode | .thanks rangi |
| 09:40 | thanks rangi | |
| 09:40 | for some reason zeba ewasnt enable dby default | |
| 09:42 | *zebra wasnt enabled by default, said lastnode, untangling himself | |
| 09:52 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #405: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/405/ |
| 09:52 | * ian.walls: Bug 6256: Many bib1 attributes missing | |
| 09:52 | * f.demians: Bug 6750 Guarantor search broken on translated templates | |
| 09:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6256 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Many bib1 attributes missing |
| 09:52 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6750 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , Guarantor search broken on translated templates | |
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| 11:26 | Brooke | 0/ |
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| 12:10 | hdl | hi |
| 12:11 | paul_p | Very quiet channel today... |
| 12:13 | kf | yes |
| 12:15 | nengard | morning |
| 12:16 | * jwagner | likes peace and quiet.... |
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| 12:21 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:25 | kf | hi oleonard |
| 12:32 | lastnode | anyone know anything about koha frontend templates? |
| 12:32 | html/css etc | |
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| 12:33 | lastnode | oh right, i see the settings in System Prf |
| 12:33 | nvm | |
| 12:35 | kf | lastnode: owens blog is a good source for customizing the templates |
| 12:35 | owen's blog? | |
| 12:35 | wahanui | well, owen's blog is a good starting point |
| 12:35 | kf | hm. |
| 12:35 | opac customization? | |
| 12:35 | owen's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha/ | |
| 12:35 | owen's blog? | |
| 12:35 | wahanui | i heard owen's blog was a good starting point |
| 12:36 | kf | forget owen's blog |
| 12:36 | wahanui | kf: I forgot owen's blog |
| 12:36 | kf | owen's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha/ |
| 12:36 | wahanui: oleonard's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha | |
| 12:36 | wahanui | OK, kf. |
| 12:36 | oleonard | oleonard's much-neglected blog. |
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| 12:41 | kf | it's a very nice neglected blog :) |
| 12:42 | lastnode | kf: we started adding books to our koha install today |
| 12:44 | kf | yay |
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| 13:01 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5916] Don't show the link to edit authorities to people who don't have permissions to edit <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5916> |
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| 13:14 | rhcl | wahaui: meeting time? |
| 13:14 | wahanui: meeting time? | |
| 13:14 | wahanui | i don't know, rhcl |
| 13:14 | rhcl | stupid bot |
| 13:15 | wahanui: topic? | |
| 13:15 | wahanui | it has been said that topic is wrong. :) |
| 13:15 | rhcl | stupid bot |
| 13:15 | lastnode | oh |
| 13:15 | is anyone allowed for the meeting? | |
| 13:16 | rhcl | yes, but a preregistration free of $5 US needs to be paypal'ed to me |
| 13:16 | oleonard | Yes, lastnode |
| 13:16 | wahanui | i guess lastnode is an english teacher from sri lanka |
| 13:16 | lastnode | rhcl: paypal address? |
| 13:16 | and do you accept bitcoin? | |
| 13:16 | rhcl | mybigmoneynetscape.net |
| 13:17 | is bitcoin still in business? | |
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| 13:19 | lastnode | has the US national debt been resolved? |
| 13:20 | anyway brb a few hours, hopefully ill stay awake for teh meeting :) | |
| 13:20 | how long do tehy usually go on for? | |
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| 13:20 | rhcl | less than an hour, but this is a nominations meeting so I don't really know about it |
| 13:21 | I'm not even sure what they're nominating for, but my vote is for sale anyway | |
| 13:22 | oleonard | You're feeling cheeky this morning rhcl |
| 13:22 | rhcl | ain't I though? |
| 13:23 | I just put a pot of coffee on to brew...I'll settle down in a while | |
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| 14:04 | rhcl | federated search on both Koha and DSpace. Interesting |
| 14:05 | trea | WWRMD? |
| 14:05 | kf | what would... do? |
| 14:06 | trea | roy merritt |
| 14:06 | rhcl | So conceptually, you might search on Koha, get results from both db's, and links to DSpace would either pull up the document if stand alone, or open DSpace for the viewer |
| 14:06 | kf | hm |
| 14:07 | rhcl | searching on DSpace would probably require opening the OPAC view in a browser |
| 14:08 | jcamins_away | Maybe the federated search thingy could do it? |
| 14:09 | I forget what it's called, but Koha has a built-in federated search plugin. | |
| 14:09 | I have no idea if it works- I've never heard of anyone using it. | |
| 14:09 | sekjal | jcamins_away: pazpar2 |
| 14:09 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 14:10 | jcamins_away | That's it. |
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| 14:26 | Agent_Dani | \o |
| 14:28 | trea | o/ |
| 14:30 | fcapo | hello, is it possible to port a .po translation file from version 3.2 to 3.4, or do I need to start from a new file? |
| 14:32 | kf | no, the files can be updated |
| 14:33 | fcapo: try sending a mail to the translation list | |
| 14:34 | * oleonard | hadn't noticed nengard redesigned her site... |
| 14:38 | jcamins_away | Huh. So she has. |
| 14:38 | hdl | sekjal: pazpar2 is tester |
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| 14:40 | fcapo | Another translation question : the fr-CA language for 3.4 just got created on translate.koha-community.org , but its translations are way out of date. Can I base the fr-CA translation off of the existing fr-FR translation? |
| 14:43 | nengard | huh? |
| 14:43 | since when? | |
| 14:43 | it's been that way for at least a year now .... | |
| 14:43 | jcamins_away | nengard: the last time I looked at your site was probably around when I first met you. |
| 14:43 | nengard | got it :) |
| 14:43 | i guess you all saw my rant | |
| 14:44 | :) | |
| 14:44 | woke up annoyed | |
| 14:44 | fredericd | fcapo: fr-CA 3.4 is based on last .po files from 3.2 git version |
| 14:44 | * Agent_Dani | finds that to be her usual state at oh-dark-thirty. :) |
| 14:44 | fredericd | Do you have other .po files for 3.2? |
| 14:45 | oleonard | nengard: I usually read your posts in RSS, so I missed it! |
| 14:45 | nengard | i totally understand |
| 14:45 | i'm the same :) | |
| 14:45 | oleonard | ebooks have so many rant-worthy attributes. |
| 14:45 | jcamins_away | Yup. |
| 14:48 | fcapo | We had our own 3.2 fr-CA translation, but our file has a lot of new string that can't apply for a clean 3.4 Koha. |
| 14:48 | * jcamins_away | doesn't actually know what most of the websites he reads regularly look like. |
| 14:50 | fredericd | fcapo: From 3.2 to 3.4, the switch to Template Toolkit implies that a LOT of string that were translated have to be retranslated... So in any case, even if we try to base 3.4 .po file on you 3.2 fr-CA translation, I'm sure we will reach almost the same (poor) result |
| 14:54 | * Agent_Dani | realizes she has a meeting scheduled until 17:00 today... |
| 14:54 | fcapo | fredericd: Ok, that's what I thought... |
| 14:54 | Agent_Dani | Which is doubly fun - I got in at 06:45 today and I have a class at 19:30 so it will be too late for me to go home for a while before class. :-\ |
| 14:57 | slef | yikes, meetings have just stolen my Thursday |
| 15:00 | fcapo | fredericd: Our clients want a fully translated fr Koha, but with some terms changed for the french-canadian context. They also now want to share those changes with the community. Any ideas on how we could do that without causing a duplication of efforts? |
| 15:04 | trea | can someone explain what accountlines.date and accountlines.timestamp are recording, and the difference between the two? |
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| 15:08 | fredericd | fcapo: We can base fr-CA on fr-FR 3.4 current .po files. You will get a fully translated OPAC interface and preferences. It remains an important work on staff interface |
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| 15:10 | zipporah | Friends, can you help me with an SQL code that can help to reverse "Ordered" indicator on hundreds of books to allow for available status. The was a mistake when manually catoging them. |
| 15:10 | fredericd | Then you work on fr-CA OPAC language tweaking and you translate staff. As soon as you finished staff translation I base fr-FR staff on you version and we tweak it for French librarians... |
| 15:10 | wizzyrea | zipporah: have you investigated the batch modification |
| 15:10 | More -> Tools | |
| 15:11 | fredericd | The question is : will you translate all staff interface and how long will it take? |
| 15:11 | wizzyrea | well, that would be on 3.4 |
| 15:11 | zipporah | We have just installed Koha 3.2 livecd. |
| 15:12 | Have I put the question straight? | |
| 15:13 | cait | wizzyrea: batch is 3.2 |
| 15:13 | wizzyrea | cool |
| 15:13 | cait | :) |
| 15:13 | fredericd: do you have a min? | |
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| 15:14 | fredericd | cait: yes |
| 15:16 | zipporah | frederic, would you be a good SQL or MySQL programmer to help me with an SQL code to change the "ordered" status to "available" on a lot of books instead of looking for them manually? |
| 15:17 | We are using Koha 3.2 from livecd. | |
| 15:18 | I wonder if I have put my question clear! | |
| 15:19 | wizzyrea | zipporah: have you looked at the batch item processing at all? |
| 15:19 | under more -> tools | |
| 15:20 | fcapo | fredericd: Our plan is to switch our clients directly to version 3.6 when it is ready, so can't we just contribute on fr-FR while waiting for the string freeze, then base fr-CA on fr-FR around the 3.6.0 release? The fr-CA specific modifications would stay on fr-CA. |
| 15:20 | zipporah | I am very new to Koha. I will look at it and I will let you know of my progress on that. Regards. |
| 15:21 | wizzyrea | good luck :) |
| 15:22 | cait | zipporah: the problem is you can't do it easily with sql only in 3.2 |
| 15:22 | zipporah: you woul dhave to run a script too - batch edit will take care of everything | |
| 15:25 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:26 | libsysguy | jcamins weren't you telling me something about refworks and a z39.50 server |
| 15:27 | and if they would allow us to set it up we should use that instead of RIS | |
| 15:27 | jcamins_away | libsysguy: yeah, RefWorks might be able to use a Z39.50 server. |
| 15:27 | libsysguy | yeah they keep trying to connect but keep failing |
| 15:27 | wizzyrea | from what I can tell, accountlines.date is the date the fine or payment is made, without the timestamp. The timestamp is the actual time. |
| 15:27 | jcamins_away | I don't know anything about how it works. |
| 15:28 | libsysguy | and I think my config might be wrong |
| 15:28 | jcamins_away | libsysguy: did you confirm that you can connect to the Z39.50 server from outside the firewall? |
| 15:28 | libsysguy | well that is what they were trying to do |
| 15:28 | i know that i have the right ports opened on the firewall | |
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| 15:30 | libsysguy | is there any documentation on how to set up the z39.50 search server for outside access? |
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| 15:30 | zipporah | Thanks very much. I have seen how it works and we shall just do it right away. Bye for now. |
| 15:30 | jcamins_away | Hm. I don't know anything about setting up Z39.50 servers. |
| 15:31 | I don't know, actually. | |
| 15:31 | Search the wiki? | |
| 15:32 | wizzyrea | libsysguy I think it's in the manual |
| 15:33 | libsysguy | it says how to set up targets |
| 15:33 | but I don't see anything on being a target | |
| 15:33 | sekjal | libsysguy: it should be in the manual, yes. if not, you just need to uncomment the 'publicserver' configs in koha-conf.xml, and restart Zebra |
| 15:34 | wizzyrea | yea, i'm SURE I saw it in the manual |
| 15:34 | libsysguy | ok ill keep looking |
| 15:34 | but i think i found out what i was doing wring int he conf file | |
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| 15:34 | sekjal | http://manual.koha-community.o[…]en/systemfaq.html |
| 15:35 | wizzyrea | http://manual.koha-community.o[…]tml#publicztarget |
| 15:35 | * wizzyrea | happened to be poking around in that section just yesterday |
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| 15:48 | lastnode | meetng in 2 hours? |
| 15:48 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 15:52 | cait - about? | |
| 15:52 | i require your sql brilliance :) | |
| 15:53 | well "require..." your cleverness would be appreciated ^.^ with cookies. | |
| 15:56 | fcapo | fredericd: To answer your fr-CA question : If fr-CA can be based on the 3.6.0 fr-FR, we will do what we can to translate what's left to translate in the staff interface. I can't really give a schedule, but we will need a working fr-CA for the end of november. |
| 15:56 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6836] jQuery plugin Datatables integration <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6836> / [Bug 6838] Filtering and pagination in subscriptions table <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6838> |
| 15:57 | fcapo | fredericd: Then, you're free to rebase fr-FR off of fr-CA anytime. |
| 15:58 | fredericd | fcapo: To be sure not to do a mistake: you ask me to base 3.4 fr-CA .po files on their fr-FR current counterpart? and load them on Pootle? |
| 15:59 | fcapo | fredericd: Not now. I said we would base it on 3.6, since our clients will go with the 3.6 version |
| 16:00 | fredericd | And for 3.4? |
| 16:01 | fcapo | I guess fr-CA 3.4 will stay unchanged |
| 16:01 | nengard | bug 6488 can anyone think of a reason that the hidden items should show on the search results and not the bib detail? |
| 16:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6488 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , opachiddenitems not working in master |
| 16:01 | nengard | i don't want to make a decision alone |
| 16:01 | i think if it's hidden it should be hidden | |
| 16:01 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 16:01 | what's the point of hiding it if it's not hidden | |
| 16:01 | cait | wizzyrea: here now, but have to be careful to not burn my dinner |
| 16:01 | oleonard | Agreed. |
| 16:01 | wizzyrea | ooo no, dinner is important |
| 16:02 | slef | I think it should be hidden on all OPAC searches, not on intranet |
| 16:02 | wizzyrea | I can ask you after you eat :) |
| 16:02 | sekjal | yes, if it's hidden in the OPAC, that should be on search results, details, Lists, etc. |
| 16:02 | consistency | |
| 16:02 | wizzyrea | make it so, nengard ;) |
| 16:02 | cait | nengard: I agree - should be hidden everywhere or it will only be confusing :) |
| 16:03 | wizzyrea: it's ok | |
| 16:03 | it will take alittle longer - tell me about your problem :) | |
| 16:03 | nengard | k |
| 16:04 | * wizzyrea | settles down on the psychiatrists couch |
| 16:04 | nengard | bug updated |
| 16:04 | thanks | |
| 16:04 | wizzyrea | so NEKLS has some libraries that want to do Unique management. They want to send people to collections |
| 16:04 | cait | hehe |
| 16:04 | wizzyrea | based on their fines |
| 16:04 | cait | unique management? |
| 16:04 | wizzyrea | there are a few requirements, some of which I've figured out |
| 16:05 | it's the company that does the chasing down of delinquent patrons | |
| 16:05 | cait | ah ok |
| 16:05 | so you need a list of borrowers and fines that meet some special requirements? | |
| 16:05 | wizzyrea | exactly |
| 16:06 | fine total over $25 (I think I figured this out) | |
| 16:06 | no payments in last 60 days (possibly figured this one out) | |
| 16:06 | but I've got them in separate reports | |
| 16:06 | and it would be nice to mash them together | |
| 16:07 | cait | ok |
| 16:07 | pastebin? :) | |
| 16:07 | slef | wizzyrea: Is this SQL? Ugly way: put "AND borrowerid IN (SELECT borrowerid [your fine total query])" into the WHERE of your no payments SELECT. |
| 16:07 | wizzyrea | yes, that would be best |
| 16:08 | slef | just OTTOMH, not tested, not sure if mysql has odd syntax for that sort of thing |
| 16:08 | wizzyrea | slef: I will try that! |
| 16:08 | cait, one moment | |
| 16:08 | cait | it's along what I would have suggested :) |
| 16:08 | wizzyrea | oooo |
| 16:08 | nice | |
| 16:09 | ok, one sec | |
| 16:09 | cait | I like sub queries... slef: why ugly? |
| 16:09 | wizzyrea | let me see if I can mash these together |
| 16:09 | I will paste them back in a sec | |
| 16:09 | cait | ok |
| 16:09 | slef | be careful with how many subqueries you do and what they are, else it will eat your database server's CPU for breakfast and wash it down with disk space |
| 16:09 | cait | hm yum |
| 16:10 | i did a course on sql a while back and was told subqueries can be faster than joins, depending on what you do | |
| 16:10 | slef | it's cait's fault, talking about dinner. Now I'm hungry. |
| 16:10 | cait | would you agree with that? |
| 16:10 | fcapo | fredericd: So, will it be possible to base the 3.6 fr-CA on the 3.6 fr-FR when Koha 3.6.0 arrives? |
| 16:10 | cait | it's always my fault *sniff* |
| 16:10 | slef | yes, as usually you only put a few columns in subqueries |
| 16:10 | fredericd | fcapo: yes, no problem |
| 16:11 | cait | most of the time I use the pk |
| 16:11 | like borrowernumber in /not in | |
| 16:11 | should learnmore about what makes mysql happy sometime | |
| 16:11 | fcapo | fredericd: Ok, thanks a lot for your help. |
| 16:12 | rhcl | ah, thanks, another interview question |
| 16:12 | cait | rhcl? |
| 16:12 | wahanui | rhcl is gonna beat up on an ibot, if it's not careful. |
| 16:13 | rhcl | I'm preparing to do interviews for a new tech assistant and I'm building a new question list. |
| 16:15 | pastebot | "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "something like this?" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/31 |
| 16:16 | cait | ah, and what is the question? :) |
| 16:17 | wizzyrea | selecting borrowers with no payments in 60 days, and more tna $25 in fines |
| 16:17 | s/tna/than | |
| 16:17 | cait | I meant rhcl interview question :) |
| 16:17 | rhcl | "Tell me what you know about SQL." This is a beginning tech position, I won't ask them to actually construct a series of nested joins. |
| 16:18 | cait | ah :) |
| 16:18 | jwagner | wizzyrea, see bug 3490 -- we wrote and released scripts for billing notice and debt collect to work with Unique Management |
| 16:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3490 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED , Billing Notice/Debt Collect |
| 16:18 | cait | wizzyrea: have you tested it? |
| 16:18 | wizzyrea | it's running now |
| 16:19 | 404 on the link *shrug* | |
| 16:19 | on the github link. Oh well. | |
| 16:20 | but ty, I know of several other places that have done it, but their workflows are different from what we want | |
| 16:20 | basically taking their work and adapting it | |
| 16:20 | which is where what I just pasted came from | |
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| 16:23 | cait | wizzyrea: does it work? |
| 16:23 | wizzyrea | it's still running, so I |
| 16:23 | am not sure | |
| 16:23 | yet | |
| 16:23 | cait | ah |
| 16:23 | wizzyrea | good thing I have a replica :P |
| 16:24 | cait | found noone in my database - but that's not surprising :) |
| 16:24 | hm | |
| 16:24 | I was thinking | |
| 16:24 | perhaps yo need another time limit | |
| 16:24 | what if they accrued the 25$ yesterday | |
| 16:24 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 16:24 | good pt | |
| 16:24 | cait | would be not nice to give their data to that unique managmeent thing :) |
| 16:25 | wizzyrea | extremely. |
| 16:25 | extremely very not good | |
| 16:25 | :) | |
| 16:25 | cait, reminder: your dinner! | |
| 16:25 | don't burn it :P | |
| 16:25 | :) | |
| 16:26 | cait | hehe |
| 16:26 | thx | |
| 16:26 | eating right now | |
| 16:27 | oleonard | Mmm... Eating. |
| 16:29 | cait | my next victim to be made hungry arrived... |
| 16:30 | wizzyrea | hmm. that report never finished I must have sent it into the void. |
| 16:31 | * wizzyrea | goes back to the drawing board. |
| 16:31 | lastnode | can someone link me to past logs of meetings? |
| 16:31 | * lastnode | ponders staying up |
| 16:31 | lastnode | it's already 10pm :( |
| 16:33 | trea | can you use multiple OR statements in your WHERE clause? |
| 16:34 | ie, WHERE (foo = 'bar' OR 'bat' OR 'blah') | |
| 16:35 | oleonard | WHERE (foo = 'bar' OR foo = 'bat' OR foo = 'blah') |
| 16:35 | trea | in that case would you be better off using an IN function? |
| 16:36 | cait | lol, now my dinner ended up on bugzilla - bug 6488 |
| 16:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6488 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , opachiddenitems not working in master |
| 16:37 | oleonard | trea: I suppose it depends on whether it's more efficient in the code and/or in performance. |
| 16:37 | libsysguy | ok so i was trying to hide the no cover image available icon with some javascript |
| 16:37 | and i am failing fantastically | |
| 16:38 | i don't see where it gets assigned in CSS so am I just missing it somewhere | |
| 16:39 | cait | lastnode: they are all on the wiki - search for irc meetings |
| 16:39 | lastnode: there is also an agenda for tonight's meeting | |
| 16:39 | wizzyrea: I have only very minimal data in this database | |
| 16:40 | wizzyrea: makes it a little hard to figure it out for you right now :( | |
| 16:40 | oleonard | libsysguy: The no cover image markup is generated by javascript |
| 16:40 | cait | lastnode: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_7_September_2011 |
| 16:41 | jcamins_away | nengard_lunch: errr... the Koha RSS feed appears to have flipped out. |
| 16:41 | oleonard | libsysguy: You could hide it with CSS: span.no-image { display: none; } |
| 16:45 | nengard_lunch | jcamns i know |
| 16:45 | jcamins_away | nengard_lunch: okay, good. |
| 16:45 | nengard_lunch | slef told me |
| 16:45 | i can't figure out how to fix it though | |
| 16:45 | if you know pipes, it's the part that's removing the images that's broken | |
| 16:45 | the source is published you should be able to see it | |
| 16:45 | jcamins_away | I don't know anything about Yahoo Pipes. |
| 16:46 | nengard_lunch | k - anyone here who knows something - help woudl be appreciated |
| 16:46 | jcamins_away | But once I marked everything old as read, it seemed to be happy again. |
| 16:46 | nengard_lunch | someone helped me put that image bit in .. i don't remember who :) |
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| 16:59 | wizzyrea | cait: it's all good |
| 17:00 | ty for thinking on it | |
| 17:00 | I will post it in the report wiki if/when I get it figured out | |
| 17:04 | nengard | wizzyrea are you the one who helped me with my yahoo pipe? removing images? |
| 17:05 | wizzyrea | I don't recall that :/ |
| 17:06 | but I did find this | |
| 17:06 | http://pipes.tigit.co.uk/?p=54 | |
| 17:06 | did we change the font size on the receipts? | |
| 17:06 | lately? | |
| 17:07 | cait | I am not aware of it |
| 17:07 | wizzyrea | apparently "all of a sudden" the text on the receipts here is "too small" |
| 17:08 | sekjal | wizzyrea: yes, font size changed on receipts |
| 17:08 | print.css changed from 14px to 12px, I believe | |
| 17:08 | wizzyrea | humbug, ok ty |
| 17:10 | now how to make it big again. | |
| 17:11 | sekjal | wizzyrea: tricky, since that page does not include intranetusercss (as far as I recall) |
| 17:11 | nengard | hmmm |
| 17:11 | it appears to be working: http://pipes.yahoo.com/nengard/kohablogs | |
| 17:11 | are we supposed to be meeting? | |
| 17:11 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 17:11 | cait | in another hour |
| 17:11 | or 49 minutes | |
| 17:12 | wizzyrea | sekjal: yea, does it include intranetuserjs? |
| 17:12 | nm, I can look | |
| 17:12 | cait | if not perhaps we should make it |
| 17:12 | wizzyrea | oh there was someone complaining about including a <script> tag on the receipts |
| 17:12 | sekjal | change was made as part of bug 6291 |
| 17:12 | wahanui | sekjal: that doesn't look right |
| 17:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6291 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Cart printing truncated in Firefox |
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| 17:13 | slef | well done nengard :) I'll hide |
| 17:14 | sekjal | wizzyrea: no, the CSS and JS sysprefs are both left out of the receipt templates |
| 17:14 | wizzyrea | *nod* for speed, probably |
| 17:14 | sekjal | the only way to change the font back to 14px is to alter print.css or the template page |
| 17:14 | wizzyrea | so how about that receipts rewrite >.> |
| 17:14 | I tease :) | |
| 17:15 | actually I happen to know it's in funding talks | |
| 17:15 | only a small amount left to raise iirc | |
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| 17:16 | sekjal | wizzyrea: you speak true |
| 17:17 | nengard | the images are showing a bit ... hope that doesn't break things |
| 17:17 | in the pipe | |
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| 17:18 | Brooke | kia ora |
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| 17:19 | cait | hi Brooke |
| 17:19 | Brooke | :) |
| 17:22 | jcamins_away | Was there supposed to be a meeting 20 minutes ago? |
| 17:22 | cait | hm |
| 17:22 | I think in 40 | |
| 17:22 | but my timezone calculations are not always correct | |
| 17:22 | jcamins_away | Ah. |
| 17:22 | cait | 18 utc |
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| 17:23 | cait | hi ColinC |
| 17:24 | ColinC | Hi |
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| 17:26 | cait | getting full here :) |
| 17:30 | * lastnode | is still up |
| 17:33 | cait | lastnode: how late is it for you? |
| 17:33 | lastnode | 11pm atm |
| 17:33 | cait | oh |
| 17:33 | lastnode | that's late bc i wake up at 5am |
| 17:33 | to prep for class etc. | |
| 17:33 | cait | makes sense |
| 17:33 | we shift the meetings around by 8 hours | |
| 17:34 | so this is probably the worse time for you | |
| 17:34 | worst | |
| 17:35 | lastnode | yeah np, i dont think ill have much to add |
| 17:35 | or contribute. just happpened to be up so thought id hang around | |
| 17:36 | cait | first time can be a bit confusing, prepare to read fast :) |
| 17:37 | lastnode | cait: ive sat in on foss meetings before (wordpress, ubuntu), so i kinda know the format. |
| 17:37 | * lastnode | is prepared to read fast |
| 17:37 | cait | :) |
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| 17:42 | daniel_g | howdy |
| 17:43 | lastnode | why did the librarian cross teh road? |
| 17:43 | cait | hi daniel :) |
| 17:43 | daniel_g | hi! |
| 17:43 | to check out what was on the other side? | |
| 17:43 | cait | how are you? |
| 17:44 | daniel_g | i'm good, thanks! busy, but good. how are you?? |
| 17:44 | cait | same here - busy but good |
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| 17:44 | daniel_g | i think this might be the first irc meeting i've attended in realtime |
| 17:45 | hi schuster! | |
| 17:45 | schuster | Hey all... I might drop out and come back in on another chat client. |
| 17:45 | schuster joined #koha | |
| 17:46 | schuster | Ah better. |
| 17:47 | * Brooke | imagines the demand for coffee in eNZed is even higher than average today. |
| 17:49 | * jcamins_away | offers his apologies for missing the meeting- he has to get on the subway now, and won't be getting off the subway for another hour or so. |
| 17:49 | libsysguy | aww no jcamins |
| 17:49 | lastnode | jcamins_away: hi! didnt see you earlier. just thought id say we started the koha pilot at my school today |
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| 17:49 | lastnode | and thank you very much for helping with the sysadmin stuff yesterday |
| 17:49 | including postfix | |
| 17:51 | libsysguy | so refworks says they need a database name to target the z39.50 server |
| 17:51 | does anybody know what I should tell them | |
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| 17:53 | jwagner | libsysguy, the database name should be in your $KOHA_CONF file -- look for the line that looks like this: |
| 17:53 | <database>koha_db</database> | |
| 17:54 | libsysguy | oh ok cool |
| 17:54 | chris_n | libsysguy: biblios |
| 17:54 | jwagner | default port is usually 210 -- you might need to open your firewall |
| 17:54 | chris_n | if you have not changed it from the install default |
| 17:54 | cait | hi chris_n |
| 17:54 | chris_n | heya cait |
| 17:54 | libsysguy | hmm the port for mine says 9998 |
| 17:55 | so i guess that is what it is | |
| 17:55 | jwagner | whatever :-) |
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| 17:56 | schuster | libsysguy - yep that was the default mine was at 9998 |
| 17:57 | libsysguy | sweet im glad im not crazy |
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| 17:58 | schuster | I don't know you well enough to answer that comment yet! LOL!!! |
| 17:59 | libsysguy | haha you're probably right...maybe I just had a moment of clarity |
| 18:00 | Brooke | #startmeeting |
| 18:00 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Sep 7 18:00:21 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 18:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | |
| 18:00 | nancyk | Hi, just testing...first time...Washoe County Library, Reno |
| 18:00 | Brooke | Howdy, Welcome |
| 18:00 | feel free to introduce yerselves with #info | |
| 18:00 | nancyk | Hi Brooke |
| 18:00 | wizzyrea | #info Liz Rea, NEKLS |
| 18:00 | slef | #info MJ Ray, software.coop |
| 18:00 | marcelr | #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum, Netherlands |
| 18:01 | daniel_g | #info Daniel Grobani, Samuel Merritt University |
| 18:01 | chris_n | #info Chris Nighswonger, FBC, 3.4 Release Maintainer |
| 18:01 | libsysguy | #info Elliott Davis, University of Texas at Tyler |
| 18:01 | jwagner | #info Jane Wagner, PTFS/LibLime |
| 18:01 | trea | #info Thatcher Rea, ByWater Solutions |
| 18:01 | nengard | #info Nicole C. Engard, ByWater Solutions |
| 18:01 | sekjal | #info Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions, 3.6 Quality Assurance Manager |
| 18:01 | ColinC | #info Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe |
| 18:01 | rhcl | #info Greg Lawson (May have to step out shortly) |
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| 18:01 | lastnode | #info Mahangu Weerasinghe, Sri Lanka |
| 18:02 | schuster | #info David Schuster, Plano ISD, Texas |
| 18:02 | mtj | #info Mason James, KohaAloha NZ |
| 18:02 | slef | rhcl: happens to us all |
| 18:02 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
| 18:03 | Brooke | Haere Mai, let's get started :D |
| 18:03 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library |
| 18:03 | Brooke | Roadmap to 3.4 Chris :) |
| 18:03 | chris_n | ok |
| 18:03 | * slef | hands Brooke a #topic |
| 18:03 | nengard | hi nancyk! |
| 18:03 | chris_n | everything is on track for the release of 3.4.5 on the 22nd of this month |
| 18:03 | Brooke | #topic 3.4 Roadmap |
| 18:03 | Topic for #koha is now 3.4 Roadmap | |
| 18:04 | chris_n | plans are to continue releases on a monthly basis as long as work is being done which applies to the 3.4.x branch |
| 18:04 | Brooke | outstanding |
| 18:04 | chris_n | once things slow down |
| 18:04 | we'll announce EOL | |
| 18:04 | and take a vote at the nearest meeting | |
| 18:05 | a bunch of work has been pushed for 3.4.5 | |
| 18:05 | and thats it for me | |
| 18:05 | cait | chris_n++ |
| 18:05 | Brooke | okie dokie, any questions for Chris? |
| 18:06 | slef | #info a bunch of work pushed for 3.4.5, on track to release 22nd, plans to continue monthly until things slow down |
| 18:06 | fredericd | #info Frédéric Demians, Tamil |
| 18:06 | slef | any blockers or critical bugs chris_n? |
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| 18:07 | chris_n | slef: one moment |
| 18:08 | paul_p | hello, sorry to be a little bit late. |
| 18:08 | chris_n | according to BZ there are 12 |
| 18:08 | you may see them here: http://tinyurl.com/3m9qbpb | |
| 18:08 | seven are marked patch-submitted | |
| 18:09 | Brooke | #link http://tinyurl.com/3m9qbpb |
| 18:09 | paul_p | (changing my internet provider at home... just today...) |
| 18:09 | chris_n | patch-sent rather |
| 18:09 | it looks like some have failed QA | |
| 18:10 | paul_p | #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre, sorry to be a little bit late |
| 18:10 | slef | just recreated my table |
| 18:10 | #link http://s.coop/koha34status | |
| 18:10 | chris_n | some look like they should be closed, but have not been |
| 18:10 | slef | bug 6292 is critical, needs signoff - anyone want to do it? |
| 18:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist |
| 18:11 | sekjal | 1 blocker, 1 critical, 4 major are Failed QA |
| 18:11 | Brooke | #help bug 6292 |
| 18:11 | movin' on | |
| 18:11 | sekjal | 54 bugs awaiting QA (no blockers, no critical, 5 major). 81 bugs needing signoff (no blockers, 3 critical, 8 major) |
| 18:11 | Brooke | we can get this stuff asynchronously |
| 18:11 | cait | slef: ther eis an open question for the follow up |
| 18:11 | slef | yeah, OK. Eyeballs are good but we're being too slow |
| 18:12 | cait | slef: i signed off the first patch, but not sure how to reproduce the problem for the secon dpatch |
| 18:12 | slef | cait: ok, later |
| 18:12 | Brooke | #topic Roadmap to 3.6 |
| 18:12 | * slef | gets out of the way before Brooke runs him over |
| 18:12 | chris_n | bug 5995 has been back ported to both 3.2.x and 3.4.x btw |
| 18:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5995 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, matthias.meusburger, ASSIGNED , Glitch with checkauth |
| 18:13 | Brooke | anyone not named Paul wanna do the update on 3.6 so Paul can ask questions. |
| 18:13 | chris_n | it probably can be closed |
| 18:13 | sekjal | Brooke: I think I can speak a bit to 3.6 |
| 18:13 | Brooke | hooray |
| 18:13 | * slef | holds 3.6 down for sekjal to give it a damn good talking to |
| 18:13 | Brooke | Ian's got the floor |
| 18:14 | sekjal | as mentioned a few lines early, we're at approximately 50 patches needing QA, and around 80 needing signoff |
| 18:14 | patches have been progressing through the process slowly but continuously | |
| 18:14 | paul_p | and many "don't apply" or "failed QA" anymore (and that's a pity if it fixed a bug) |
| 18:14 | sekjal | major developments that are nearing fruition include Hourly Loans and the Holds Rewrite |
| 18:14 | Brooke | #info 50 patches need QA, and around 80 needing signoff, get to gettin'. |
| 18:15 | hourly loans were one of Paul's questions, wanna go into gorey blow by blow detail? | |
| 18:15 | sekjal | so far, we have only had to revert one commit |
| 18:15 | Brooke | bug 5549 |
| 18:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Hourly Loans |
| 18:15 | sekjal | This development has been signed off by libsysguy, who I believe is using the branch in production |
| 18:16 | libsysguy | yes we are |
| 18:16 | paul_p | #info 55 patches are "failed QA" and 44 are "does not apply" |
| 18:16 | sekjal | so hourly loans are now onto the QA stage |
| 18:16 | schuster | What is the main reason for failed or does not apply? |
| 18:16 | nengard | it totally depends on the patch |
| 18:16 | oleonard | There's no main reason |
| 18:16 | nengard | if the patch doesn't fix the problem it fails |
| 18:16 | paul_p | schuster: I think the main reason for does not apply is "does not apply anymore" |
| 18:17 | sekjal | given that this is a MAJOR change to many core modules, testing needs to be thorough and painstaking, lest we break library circulation |
| 18:17 | nengard | and what paul_p said about the other :) |
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| 18:17 | paul_p | (dna anymore because other patches have been pushed and a rebase is needed) |
| 18:17 | sekjal | I will fail a patch in QA if it does not do what it proports to do, if it introduces other bugs or issues, or if it violates style guidelines |
| 18:18 | paul_p | from my experience, sometimes (maybe 60% of the time), it's easy to rebase. Sometimes (30%) it's tricky, and 10% it's hard (patch must be rewritten) |
| 18:18 | libsysguy | ^^ |
| 18:18 | sekjal | patches from before the Template::Toolkit conversion in 3.4 are especially lengthy to rebase, as any interface changes must be redone in the new language |
| 18:18 | paul_p | (I mean "does not apply". Rough number given by "my feeling @", a trademark from me ;) ) |
| 18:18 | schuster | Thanks paul_p for the descriptive reasoning.. I have been busy with other things for a couple of months and didn't know if it was mainly Template Toolkit type stuff or just bad rebase. |
| 18:19 | paul_p | theu number of T::T issues is decreasing. |
| 18:19 | there are still some (i made one today. patch not sent yet) | |
| 18:19 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [with a disembodied connection] |
| 18:20 | paul_p | I wanted to ask : should we do something with "Failed QA" or "Does Not Apply" patches that seems "abandonned" by their original author ? |
| 18:20 | I feel the answer should be different for bugfixes and for enhancements | |
| 18:21 | cait | if the bug still remains someone else can work on it I would think |
| 18:21 | paul_p | bugfixes = keep them open, if the bug is still here, it's usefull |
| 18:21 | Brooke | mebbe use superceded |
| 18:21 | paul_p | enhancements = close them after a toBeDefined time maybe |
| 18:21 | slef | A small reminder: signer-offers please read the patch and make sure it doesn't introduce new bugs or include unrelated junk. |
| 18:21 | Brooke | for things that no longer apply |
| 18:21 | paul_p | superceded ? |
| 18:21 | oleonard | I agree with that proposal paul_p |
| 18:22 | slef | paul_p: in debian, the QA team would ask for people to take them over I think |
| 18:22 | sekjal | we could assign these enhancements a different Closed status for easy retrieval |
| 18:22 | unfortunately, if no one is willing to take up a bug fix, we won't get very far by assigning it | |
| 18:22 | cait | sekjal: I like that idea |
| 18:22 | Brooke | yep if it's divided into superceded for bugs that don't apply and abandoned for enhancements with no owner, might be clearer. Mebbe no. |
| 18:23 | sekjal | then again, if no one is willing to take up a bug fix, it must not be very bad |
| 18:23 | paul_p | you're probably right sekjal |
| 18:23 | cait | or a feature not a lot of people use |
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| 18:24 | paul_p | or a bug that happens only in a rare situation |
| 18:24 | (like : you're a french library, using unimarc, printing your itemcallnumber labels, on a A3 printer) | |
| 18:24 | Brooke | #idea handle mouldy enhancements differently than mouldy bugs |
| 18:25 | cait | perhps we should add the pending deadlines to the log? |
| 18:25 | Brooke | can we programme Huginn to nag about dusty bugs? |
| 18:25 | like on GBSD? | |
| 18:25 | cait | he already nags abou tneeds sign-off |
| 18:25 | marcelr | who contacts the original author in order to get possible reply? |
| 18:26 | cait | I think don#t make it too much bot messages |
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| 18:26 | sekjal | we can set up Bugzilla to use Bug Whining to send emails out on a regular basis, with a list of bug reports meeting whatever saved search we like |
| 18:26 | oleonard | Right, it's the author of the submitted patch who needs the reminder |
| 18:27 | paul_p | Brooke, from Hugin side, probably. The question is also = what can bugzilla provide ? |
| 18:27 | slef | ultimately, it's not hard to find dusty bugs if any dev has time, is it? |
| 18:27 | paul_p | if anyone has a link about bz webservices,... |
| 18:28 | oleonard | slef: Yeah, people can find stuff to do if they want to look for it. Most already have plenty to work on. |
| 18:28 | paul_p | http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/3[…]a/WebService.html maybe |
| 18:29 | Brooke | I get the sinking feeling this is a big procedure question and is like to be revisited. Anyone else think so? |
| 18:29 | schuster | I feel we have been here before too... |
| 18:29 | marcelr | i think so too |
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| 18:30 | Brooke | well, we will keep working on our slow hunches, and if anyone has any bril ideas, start a wiki page, write em down, and flag stuff on the next agenda |
| 18:30 | that said | |
| 18:30 | bug 6537 | |
| 18:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6537 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Simplified sysprefs for the web installer |
| 18:30 | Brooke | go Paul :) |
| 18:31 | rhcl | would anyone care to provide a bit of amplification on the holds rewrite if this is an appropriate time |
| 18:31 | nengard | i thnk there is a detailed rfc on the wiki ... |
| 18:31 | paul_p | the patch for 6537 has been pushed. It means the syspref system will be simplified a lot for translators. |
| 18:32 | cait | magnuse++ |
| 18:32 | sekjal | rhcl: the Holds Rewrite is currently in the testing phase. ByWater Solutions is bringing up a test server to allow the sponsors to test the coded features against their own, familiar data |
| 18:32 | paul_p | Since 3.4, the description is now stored in the template scope, no more in the SQL database. It means we don't need anymore to have a syspref.sql file defined for each language |
| 18:33 | cait | will be simplified for developers |
| 18:33 | sekjal | I'd like to open that to the community in general, once we can figure out the privacy issues to the libraries' satisfaction |
| 18:33 | cait | not having to edit a lot of sql files any longer, but only add new sysprefs to the en file |
| 18:33 | paul_p | thanks to magnus, we now have only one syspref.sql file, shared by all languages. located at (searching) |
| 18:33 | oleonard | sekjal: privacy issues? |
| 18:33 | wahanui | privacy issues are taken very seriously around here - some libraries even refuse to use google books - because it asks google every time |
| 18:33 | sekjal | oleonard: patron data |
| 18:34 | chris_n | slef: blo/cri 3.4.x bugs now number 4... http://tinyurl.com/3m9qbpb |
| 18:34 | slef | chris_n: ta |
| 18:34 | sekjal | the current test data will be taken from the sponsoring libraries systems, and would need to be anonymized before letting other folks have access for testing |
| 18:34 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 18:34 | sekjal | well, anonymized, or just wiped completely and reloaded with demo data |
| 18:35 | * chris_n | has whined for large, clean sets of demo data for years :-) |
| 18:35 | paul_p | the syspref file is now in misc/data/mysql/syspref.sql. If a specific syspref setup must be defined for a given language (like unimarc for frenchies), you still can have a fr/syspref.sql, that contains only UPDATE |
| 18:36 | what is nice with this is that it will help translators, but also help having the same syspref loaded for everybody | |
| 18:36 | (previously, there was sometimes bugs because a syspref was not in the fr/syspref.sql file) | |
| 18:36 | I hope i've been clear... | |
| 18:36 | thd | sekjal: just remember that real anonymisation is a myth because behaviour can be identifying.. |
| 18:37 | Brooke | lessbugs++ |
| 18:37 | cait | paul_p: only one small thing |
| 18:37 | it doesn#t change anything for translators | |
| 18:37 | only for developers - but this is a very good change | |
| 18:37 | paul_p | cait, you're right |
| 18:38 | marcelr | it is a simplification; less rebasing needed |
| 18:38 | paul_p | yep, and less conflicts, and more fun ;-) |
| 18:38 | sekjal | thd: there are ways to scramble behavior, too, but we'll get all that solved in the near future. |
| 18:38 | Brooke | morefun++ |
| 18:38 | cait | magnuse++ :) |
| 18:39 | paul_p | magnuse++ |
| 18:39 | definetly ! | |
| 18:39 | mtj | magnus++++! |
| 18:39 | Brooke | magnuse++ |
| 18:39 | just remember, beer > ++ | |
| 18:39 | #topic Roles for 3.8 | |
| 18:39 | Topic for #koha is now Roles for 3.8 | |
| 18:39 | paul_p | well, i promize to pay a beer during next hackfest in Marseille ;-) |
| 18:40 | about my other question (Koha namespace), i saw someone added a link on the wiki, i haven't read it yet | |
| 18:40 | mtj | #info beer > ++ |
| 18:40 | cait | only if you like bear |
| 18:40 | um beer | |
| 18:41 | * nengard | is scared to admit that she does not like beer at all |
| 18:41 | nengard | ick |
| 18:41 | paul_p | cait, but you're german, so you like beer ! |
| 18:41 | sekjal | paul_p: that link is to a message I sent out to the koha-devel list just after KohaCon '10 |
| 18:41 | slef | nengard: wine? |
| 18:41 | wahanui | wine is probably not usually the best for programming :) |
| 18:41 | Brooke | (find beer replace chocolate) |
| 18:41 | paul_p | (well, at least, that's what the world think ;-) ) |
| 18:41 | slef | wahanui: beer? |
| 18:41 | wahanui | beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy. |
| 18:41 | nengard | slef if i have to choose between the two ... but usually just fruity girly mixed drinks for me |
| 18:41 | Brooke | arright |
| 18:42 | cait | paul_p: I don't! |
| 18:42 | Brooke | back to work you |
| 18:42 | Roles for 3.8 folks | |
| 18:42 | for Top Sucker I've Paul Poulain | |
| 18:42 | paul_p | it's like for me : all frenchies like escargots. I don't ;-) |
| 18:42 | Brooke | aka RM |
| 18:42 | paul_p | Top Sucker... not sure I'll like this name ;-) |
| 18:42 | nengard | hehe |
| 18:42 | cait | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.8 |
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| 18:43 | Brooke | no one else for that |
| 18:43 | slef | I want to be clear that this is only for 3.8, not 4.0 too. |
| 18:43 | Brooke | any discussion? |
| 18:44 | paul_p | thanks nengard & sekjal for adding you as doc & qa |
| 18:44 | marcelr | i like his proposal; will be hard to realize probably, but we probably need more concensus on changing procedures? |
| 18:44 | oleonard | I agree with slef. |
| 18:44 | slef | Is paul_p willing to stand for reappointment next time? |
| 18:44 | sekjal | I have some discussion about paul_p's proposal I'd like to bring up |
| 18:44 | Brooke | discuss away |
| 18:44 | paul_p | slef, my proposal is for both 3.8 and 4.0, as I think both must be started at the same time, as 4.0 is a "long term" change in my mind |
| 18:44 | sekjal | I agree that we need to start thinking past the next timed release cycle |
| 18:45 | but I disagree that Koha 4.0 should be time-released for 12 months after 3.6 | |
| 18:45 | paul_p | sekjal, why ? |
| 18:45 | sekjal | I would counterpropose this: |
| 18:45 | continue the 3.X release cycle on a timed basis | |
| 18:45 | 3.8 to 3.10 to 3.12, etc | |
| 18:46 | every 6 months | |
| 18:46 | meanwhile, starting early in the 3.8 release cycle | |
| 18:46 | paul_p | what would be in 3.10, 3.12,... ? |
| 18:46 | do you mean we would have 2 versions at the same time ? | |
| 18:46 | wizzyrea | (I think he's still talking) |
| 18:46 | Brooke | ^ |
| 18:46 | sekjal | the community would get together and enumerate the features that would define Koha 4.0 |
| 18:47 | cait | let's answer one question after the other or this will all get very confusing in here |
| 18:47 | sekjal | these would be features that would be things we could reasonably expect to complete in the next year or two |
| 18:48 | every 6 months, the features that are well tested and ready for inclusion could be released as part of the 3.X release cycle | |
| 18:48 | as we do with master currently | |
| 18:48 | Brooke | #idea long term development goals coupled with short term release cycles |
| 18:48 | sekjal | we would continue on 3.X until all the features are developed for 4.0 |
| 18:48 | Brooke | (Don't quite like the way that's phrased, so feel free to edit it. Just want to highlight the meat of this.) |
| 18:49 | cait | and rebase those on current master for 4.0? |
| 18:50 | sekjal | cait: features would all be on topic branches, based on master |
| 18:50 | paul_p | cait, I think you rise a good & major point |
| 18:50 | sekjal | and would need to be rebased frequently |
| 18:50 | thd | sekjal: I suspect the actual development process depends more on what actually happens than any real overarching plan. |
| 18:50 | cait | sekjal: ok, thx |
| 18:50 | paul_p | sekjal, except that if 4.0 include major structural changes, it will quickly be a pain |
| 18:51 | for example : the solR work changes everything in searching. | |
| 18:51 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6854] import_borrowers.pl : Double password encryption on member update if there is no password in the csv and no default password value. <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6854> |
| 18:51 | sekjal | paul_p: my hope is that in the stages where we identify the features for 4.0, we also identify the underlying structural changes common to all those features |
| 18:51 | so the 'plumbing' changes can be done first, thus laying the groundwork for all the porcelain | |
| 18:51 | tajoli | IMHO label 4.0 is stritly connect with Solr. That is a big change. it is enough to change number |
| 18:52 | paul_p | tajoli++ |
| 18:52 | Brooke | sekjal: this sounds happy for interface design. Am I off? |
| 18:52 | paul_p | but I plan to do more ! |
| 18:52 | well, I don't say "impossible", but I think it must be evaluated very carefully. | |
| 18:52 | tajoli | And Solr is for international support bugsù |
| 18:52 | oleonard | Brooke: ? |
| 18:52 | sekjal | I believe that Solr support is just one of the features that should be part of Koha 4.0 |
| 18:52 | paul_p | the move to Koha name space, solR, ... |
| 18:52 | cait | I like sekjal's proposal |
| 18:53 | I am woried about having 2 branches, they will diverge pretty fast and be hard to bring together | |
| 18:53 | marcelr | afraid so too |
| 18:53 | sekjal | I would also like to see: arbitrary metadata formats, revist patron data structure, mobile templates |
| 18:53 | paul_p | sekjal, suppose library A sponsor a feature, he will want it "asap". So on 3.x . you'll have to "rewrite" it for 4.0. |
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| 18:53 | paul_p | and that will be a pain. |
| 18:53 | ColinC | tying a bunch of features to a magic number like 4.0 doesent necessarily work |
| 18:53 | Brooke | oleonard: if you're planning things out, usage consideration is part of that and might declutter some menus and such |
| 18:53 | cait | better bring it all together at one point in time |
| 18:53 | tajoli | In fact Zebra is well for english data, not for a user of mine with greeck + arabic+armenian+ slavic |
| 18:53 | paul_p | we (biblibre) face this problem already for H:T:P and T:T |
| 18:53 | cait | and from the same base |
| 18:54 | sekjal | paul_p: library A needs to understand that just because they sponsor a change doesn't mean it will get into Koha on their schedule |
| 18:54 | it must meet the community's guidelines and procedures | |
| 18:54 | which could take longer | |
| 18:54 | oleonard | sekjal++ |
| 18:54 | wizzyrea | ^^ a very good point |
| 18:54 | paul_p | sekjal, maybe in US you can explain, but in france, you can't ! |
| 18:54 | in France, the RFP always says "i want this and that, and at this date" | |
| 18:54 | slef | sekjal: I think you mean the community's quality control. |
| 18:55 | cait | tajoli: we have pretty good experience with hebrew and german |
| 18:55 | paul_p | that's why we develop on stable, then port on master |
| 18:55 | tajoli | The problem is the mix of many alphabeths |
| 18:55 | paul_p | (once a library has adopted Koha it's usually different , fortunatly) |
| 18:56 | tajoli | In fact Zebra support every alphabeth, but all in the same time !! |
| 18:56 | slef | I don't feel that I have enough data on the wiki to vote for paul_p for 4.0 and I will not vote for manifesto-free candidates on principle. I'm concerned that Solr's larger server requirements don't compromise our happy Zebra users. |
| 18:56 | cait | tajoli: I can only tell from my experience, hebrew and roman letters work well for us |
| 18:57 | slef | ...so all this talk of "Solr changes everything in searching" is a bit scary. |
| 18:57 | Brooke | okay |
| 18:57 | Sekjal: said your peace? | |
| 18:57 | paul_p | sekjal, what we say is "well, you get the feature X at the expected date, but we can't guarantee when it will be integrated in official Koha. So you may have to wait, or, even, have to abandon your feature. Or stay with your fork" |
| 18:57 | schuster | slef++ |
| 18:57 | tajoli | Clerly not. The big work is to do is to add Zebra in parallel |
| 18:58 | paul_p | slef, have you seen my mail on koha-devel about the work some ppl are doing to have zebra reintegrated ? |
| 18:58 | sekjal | paul_p: your company can certainly make the contractual arrangements to have a feature on their server by X date |
| 18:58 | and then, yes, they would need to be aware that they'll either need to be on a fork for while, or possibly lose the feature if it never gets accepted | |
| 18:58 | paul_p | (s/can/must ;-) ) |
| 18:58 | slef | paul_p: maybe not. I'm struggling to follow the lists recently. Got message-id? |
| 18:58 | tajoli | Now Biblire has done a new API search on Solr. What we need to do is to develop the same API on Zebra |
| 18:59 | The feature are over the API | |
| 18:59 | paul_p | slef: our work on solr change a lot the internals of searching. tajoli & some others have started reintegrated zebra through this new API |
| 18:59 | the API is expected to be flexible enough to let us add other search engines later | |
| 18:59 | mtj | the one thing everyone agrees on is that the new Koha::Search code works with both solr and zebra |
| 18:59 | sekjal | Brooke: I believe I have presented my proposal in it's entirety. I welcome any further feedback or requests for clarification |
| 19:00 | paul_p | slef = Message-ID: <4E5E3F88.1070508biblibre.com> |
| 19:00 | Brooke | if you could go through the log, pick out what you've said, and post it, that'd be fab. |
| 19:00 | cause there's a lot of side talk going on here | |
| 19:00 | any further commentary? | |
| 19:01 | paul_p | slef, does it answer your concern ? |
| 19:01 | (well, if you need more clarification, ask on koha-devel or the way you want) | |
| 19:01 | slef | Not in the way you want. It sounds backwards. So the API has been designed for Solr and Zebra is being tacked on as an afterthought? I don't see why what works is being treated as second-class citizen. |
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| 19:02 | paul_p | slef, nope, you misunderstand = we've redesigned the search API to have it modular. And we made the solR stuff (because it was sponsored), tajoli has started the zebra stuff |
| 19:02 | slef | reading that message to see if I've misunderstood it |
| 19:03 | Brooke | tajoli++ |
| 19:03 | paul_p | yep, definetly. |
| 19:03 | tajoli++ | |
| 19:03 | slef | ok, well, we wait and see... this vote should still be for 3.8 not 4.0 IMO |
| 19:03 | paul_p | tcohen++ |
| 19:03 | Brooke | It is for 3.8 |
| 19:03 | I never said it was for 4.0 | |
| 19:03 | you clarified | |
| 19:03 | the horse has been beaten | |
| 19:04 | and beaten once more | |
| 19:04 | I do not want to go for three. | |
| 19:04 | paul_p | well... but I plan to start 4.0 in nov (at least discussions about it) too. |
| 19:04 | cait | Brooke: I think it has to be clarified because Paul's proposal is for both |
| 19:04 | paul_p | so, my application is for both versions. |
| 19:04 | Brooke | I realise, but I'm sayin vote on one release at a time |
| 19:04 | paul_p | yep, I confirm it is. |
| 19:04 | Brooke | cause our tiny brains can't handle it. |
| 19:05 | slef | yeah and I had no answer to the direct question: Is paul_p willing to stand for reappointment next time? |
| 19:05 | cait | Brooke: I think we have to figure this out first before we can vote |
| 19:05 | Brooke | slef: I think that'd clear things up. |
| 19:05 | paul_p | Brooke, the problem here is that either I don't start 4.0 because i've not been elected or I start anyway hoping everybody will thank me at the end. |
| 19:05 | I prefer saying things now. | |
| 19:07 | nengard | Do we need an RM for 4.0 to start talking about what 4.0 is going to be? |
| 19:07 | can't we just brainstorm without an RM? | |
| 19:07 | sekjal | nengard++ |
| 19:07 | marcelr | i understand that he wants to run in parallel |
| 19:07 | sekjal | I feel that anything major enough to warrant a full version number jump is major enough to need as much community input as possible |
| 19:08 | slef | paul_p: or you could start laying the ground as part of 3.8 and accept that maybe someone else will finish 4.0 or restart it. OK? |
| 19:08 | paul_p | yep. brainstorm for, say, 2 months, then start works. And do works in // |
| 19:08 | cait | and i think this is something we have to talk about |
| 19:08 | it really worries me about Paul's proposal | |
| 19:08 | I like Ian's proposal better | |
| 19:08 | nengard | i'm not following everything we're talking about - but am i right in my understanding that we'd be working on 4.0 and 3.8 at the same time ... essentially creating forks of our own? |
| 19:08 | I have a hard enough time testing patches for one version at a time | |
| 19:09 | cait | nengard: agreed - and maintenance for 3.4 |
| 19:09 | nengard | right! |
| 19:09 | ColinC | and why 3.0 why not 3.10? |
| 19:09 | nengard | just too much to maintain for our small group |
| 19:09 | ColinC you mean 4.0? | |
| 19:09 | ColinC | yes |
| 19:09 | paul_p | nengard, good point. and sekjal suggestion to have 3.10 / 3.12 ... while workin on 4.0 also has this kind of problem |
| 19:09 | mtj | i think we don't need to commit to a 4.0 release in 12 months, too |
| 19:10 | ... koha 4.0 should be released when its done | |
| 19:10 | cait | paul_p: with ian's proposal we would not have diverging branches |
| 19:10 | ColinC | ++mtj |
| 19:10 | thd | mtj++ |
| 19:10 | sekjal | my proposal would have 3 main branches at once: 3.4.x, 3.6.x and master. this would change to 3.6.x, 3.8.x and master when 3.4 is EOLed |
| 19:10 | paul_p | ColinC, we use to change the 1st number when there is a major structural change 1=>2 = MARC 2=>3 = zebra |
| 19:11 | Brooke | 3 > 4 gamification! |
| 19:11 | cait | I think we can agree to change to 4.0 once we have rewrote the search api for zebra and solr |
| 19:11 | * Brooke | throws up the horns! |
| 19:11 | cait | the question is how to make that happen |
| 19:11 | paul_p | sekjal, it's also my proposal. So I don't understand where our propositions differ ? |
| 19:11 | sekjal | paul_p: I do not agree with the 1 year timeline for 4.0 |
| 19:11 | nengard | paul you said you'd start 4.0 in november ... that's one month after we start 3.8 |
| 19:12 | ColinC | but we arn't tied to that ... numbers are marketing making things dependent on a magic number holds things up |
| 19:12 | Brooke | so here's what I'm gonna say |
| 19:12 | it's 3.12 | |
| 19:12 | paul_p | nengard, did I said that ? |
| 19:12 | Brooke | over here. |
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| 19:12 | Brooke | I think we table this part. |
| 19:12 | fredericd | Paul: Where is published the new search API implement by your SolR search engine? |
| 19:12 | Brooke | unless someone comes to summat brilliant in like 5 minutes. |
| 19:12 | paul_p | fredericd, git.biblibre.com |
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| 19:12 | thd | sekjal: Do you think that one year is too short for 4.0? |
| 19:12 | paul_p | (branch solR or something like that) |
| 19:12 | talljoy | paulp: you did...(2:03:12 PM) paul_p: well... but I plan to start 4.0 in nov (at least discussions about it) too. |
| 19:12 | slef | Brooke: s/table/postpone/ :) |
| 19:12 | sekjal | and, consequently, I do not think that it's necessary to loosen QA procedures on the road to 4.0, since we can release features as they're truly done and stable |
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| 19:13 | fredericd | paul_p: Could it be available outside the code? |
| 19:13 | paul_p | I was meaning discussions about what should be in 4.0 and how to reach the goal. not doing things |
| 19:13 | sekjal | thd: I feel that, yes, 1 year may be too short. I feel we should, as a community, define what features will make 4.0 first, and then start working on them |
| 19:13 | nengard | paul_p ... i thought i read that ... now i'm confused so i'm going to read and stay quiet |
| 19:13 | paul_p | fredericd, yep. And it should be in english (for instance, docs are in french) |
| 19:14 | Brooke | so |
| 19:14 | #topic Translation Manager | |
| 19:14 | Topic for #koha is now Translation Manager | |
| 19:14 | thd | sekjal: I prefer the way you put it last that we release what is ready without loosening standards |
| 19:14 | nengard | found it - (2:03:12 PM) paul_p: well... but I plan to start 4.0 in nov (at least discussions about it) too. |
| 19:14 | paul_p | nengard, I was meaning discussions about what should be in 4.0 and how to reach the goal. not doing things |
| 19:15 | cait | sekjal: I agree with that too |
| 19:15 | paul_p: are you open to discuss points from your proposal and have the community vote on them? | |
| 19:15 | Brooke | anyone have objections to Frédéric Demians? |
| 19:15 | mtj | i think a smooth way to integrate solr ... would be to get Koha:Search:Zebra working first on 3.x |
| 19:15 | paul_p | i'm always open to discussions. I'm usually complaining for silence, not for discussion ;-) |
| 19:16 | cait, i'm always open to discussions. I'm usually complaining for silence, not for discussion ;-) | |
| 19:16 | cait | so you are willing to change plans eventually? |
| 19:17 | paul_p | cait, if you convince me the plan you propose is better than mine, of course ! but if I still think my plan is better, then i'll continue to argue. |
| 19:17 | TIMTOWTDI ! | |
| 19:17 | mtj | Brooke: no objections |
| 19:18 | thd | paul_p: I think that you should set ambitious goals and if they are all realised then that will be great. As long as we have a reasonable procedure for the quality and not abandoning users I am all for every possible great improvement. |
| 19:18 | sekjal | Brooke: I'm curious about the technical details of Frédéric Demians' proposal |
| 19:19 | paul_p | fredericd++ |
| 19:19 | sekjal | but I have no objection |
| 19:19 | thd | Brooke: objections to fredericd are absent. |
| 19:19 | cait | no objection |
| 19:19 | Brooke | k |
| 19:20 | hearing none, I'm going to move down the slate to | |
| 19:20 | cait | i would be willing to assist |
| 19:20 | paul_p | same for me. I like the idea ! (although technically, how to do it is another question, I agree) |
| 19:20 | thd | sekjal: please ask about your curiosity while fredericd is here to answer |
| 19:20 | Brooke | #topic Documentation Manager |
| 19:20 | Topic for #koha is now Documentation Manager | |
| 19:20 | fredericd | sekjal: as translation manager? |
| 19:20 | Brooke | fredericd: yep |
| 19:20 | paul_p | fredericd, the idea to remove po from main package I think |
| 19:20 | nengard | chris and paul said that i was doc manager until i died .... so i promise to continue doing my job for 3.8 :) |
| 19:20 | fredericd | As I explained on the wiki I would like to continue the task |
| 19:20 | The big challenge will be to succeed to extract .po files from Koha main git repository and manage them in a git submodule. | |
| 19:21 | sekjal | fredericd: yes, I'm curious about the git submodule set up you propose. I'm not sure this meeting is the most appropriate time to go into it, though |
| 19:21 | fredericd | This will slim down git repository size |
| 19:21 | paul_p | maybe a thread to start on koha-devel ? |
| 19:21 | fredericd | sekjal: I can't enter into technical details yet |
| 19:21 | I also would like to propose a solution to allow Perl command-line scripts translation: scripts like bulkmarcimport.pl or zebraidx.pl. | |
| 19:22 | But it must be discussed first. I'm not sure it's a necessity. | |
| 19:22 | paul_p | fredericd, not sure it will slim that much the repo size, as what has been put in is in the repo forever. even if removed from the tree |
| 19:22 | thd | fredericd: Is the intent that for those who only want untranslated Koha they can avoid the larger size code base? |
| 19:22 | fredericd | thd: yes |
| 19:22 | Brooke | I'm going to put this out there in the big wide open |
| 19:22 | fredericd | paul_p: you may be correct... |
| 19:22 | paul_p | that could help having ppl sumitting patches more easily |
| 19:22 | ie : you can push patches on the submodule, while the RM push on koha | |
| 19:23 | fredericd | so we would need to restart a new repo? I don't know |
| 19:23 | slef | I think you can shallow checkout if you want to save space. |
| 19:23 | Brooke | meetings are getting longish, and I think that's happening from folks getting slammed at work. Pop in, talk to each other more. Should make for shorter meetings and better communication. |
| 19:23 | paul_p | workflow for translations / workflow for Koha |
| 19:23 | sekjal | I move that we move discussion of the git submodule to the koha-devel list |
| 19:23 | paul_p | Brooke++ |
| 19:23 | agreed | |
| 19:23 | sekjal | and continue with the rest of this meeting's agenda |
| 19:23 | Brooke | also |
| 19:23 | the agenda is a wiki | |
| 19:23 | so if you think of summat, post it | |
| 19:24 | and if I don't honour it sufficiently, bring it up again next meeting :) | |
| 19:24 | any objections to Nengard being Documentation Manager for Life? (or at least 3.8?) | |
| 19:24 | nengard | LOL |
| 19:24 | cait | no objection |
| 19:24 | tajoli | no |
| 19:24 | schuster | nengard++ |
| 19:24 | paul_p | no objection |
| 19:25 | jcamins_away | +1 |
| 19:25 | cait | nengard++ |
| 19:25 | marcelr | +1 |
| 19:25 | daniel_g | +1 |
| 19:25 | wizzyrea | go go gadget nengard |
| 19:25 | Brooke | ha ha sucker! |
| 19:25 | oh wait | |
| 19:25 | paul_p | nengard, claire should catch you in the next weeks to see how it is possible to split the docbook in smaller parts |
| 19:25 | ColinC | +1 |
| 19:25 | Brooke | we're adding more ha ha |
| 19:25 | paul_p | that would be much esier for translators to deal with smaller files |
| 19:25 | nengard | paul_p - i'd love a way to do that - but then links from section to section are much harder - which is why i haven't done it |
| 19:25 | * jcamins | = Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services #intro |
| 19:25 | Brooke | Am I to assume there is also no objection to Documentation of the DB as Nengard too in 3.8? |
| 19:26 | nengard | regarding db documentation bug 6716 tracks my work on that |
| 19:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation |
| 19:26 | paul_p | yes, hdl told us. So she's looking for a solution/suggestion/idea to that. |
| 19:26 | nengard | awesome!! |
| 19:26 | paul_p | (dunno if she will find something though. Say awesome once she's found ;-) ) |
| 19:26 | nengard | hehe |
| 19:26 | I appreciate help even if it doesn't come to a positive result :) | |
| 19:27 | Brooke | not hearing any so you're saddled for DB stuff too. |
| 19:27 | Bug Wranglers | |
| 19:27 | nengard | okey dokey |
| 19:27 | Brooke | Ima go with whoever wants it gets it |
| 19:27 | nengard | shouldn't we be doing #info for the voting? |
| 19:27 | Brooke | cause we don't have a finite number of slots |
| 19:27 | prolly | |
| 19:27 | wizzyrea | define the job please? |
| 19:27 | cait | we are not voting today, are we? |
| 19:27 | nominations | |
| 19:28 | Brooke | #info Nicole C Engard is the Documentation Manager and also Documenting the DB |
| 19:29 | wizzy, I'm taking my play on that from Magnus: Sign off patches, close bugs, keep an eye out for duplicates, help organize | |
| 19:30 | nengard | sorry cait, wrong word i guess |
| 19:30 | sekjal | also linking 'depends on' and 'blocks' bugs, if possible |
| 19:30 | wizzyrea | *nod* got it |
| 19:31 | * wizzyrea | volunteers |
| 19:31 | cait | nengard: not thinking voting would me a difference here :) |
| 19:31 | wizzyrea++ :) | |
| 19:31 | marcelr | katrin and magnus already do it, regardless of a formal role |
| 19:31 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 19:32 | Brooke | which is why we <3 them marcel :) |
| 19:32 | cait | oh :) |
| 19:32 | marcelr | <3? |
| 19:32 | wizzyrea | it's a heart, sideways |
| 19:32 | Brooke | #topic QA Ian Walls |
| 19:32 | Topic for #koha is now QA Ian Walls | |
| 19:33 | slef | oh I wondered why everyone was redirecting fd/3 online! |
| 19:33 | Brooke | any objections with Ian? |
| 19:33 | paul_p | Everybody is a bug wrangler when he work on bz... |
| 19:34 | slef | Brooke: seems not |
| 19:34 | Brooke | on a related note: Ian, do you have a problem with 2 minions instead of just one? |
| 19:34 | marcelr | ian++ |
| 19:34 | cait | no objections |
| 19:34 | sekjal++ | |
| 19:34 | daniel_g | I'm unclear on the process going on here. I thought elections are in October. What is this? |
| 19:34 | Brooke | Elections are in the beginning of October |
| 19:34 | this is nominations. | |
| 19:35 | cait | nominations... talking about plans and candidates I think |
| 19:35 | and what is involved doing the job | |
| 19:35 | daniel_g | can someone object to a nomination? |
| 19:35 | sekjal | I have no objections; as many helpers as I can get is a good thing |
| 19:35 | Brooke | you can, but it's kind of silly. I've been putting up with it, because I think it's a good idea for a candidate to not be blindsided at an election. |
| 19:35 | daniel_g | ok, thanks |
| 19:36 | Brooke | that said, any objections to having both Marcel and Jonathan Druart on the slate? |
| 19:36 | wizzyrea | none here |
| 19:37 | sekjal | no objection |
| 19:37 | cait | no objection |
| 19:37 | mtj | no objection |
| 19:37 | Brooke | #info QA manager has Ian Walls |
| 19:37 | paul_p | agreed |
| 19:37 | Brooke | #info Assistant QAs are slated as Marcel de Rooy and Jonathan Druart |
| 19:38 | #topic Mason James as Packaging Manager | |
| 19:38 | Topic for #koha is now Mason James as Packaging Manager | |
| 19:38 | Brooke | anything? |
| 19:38 | wahanui | anything is possible with enough development work :) |
| 19:39 | mtj | i have to assume here, that robin forgot to add himself for this role? |
| 19:39 | paul_p | what does "packaging task" contain, exactly ? |
| 19:39 | Brooke | which role? |
| 19:39 | wizzyrea | packaging manager |
| 19:39 | paul_p | debian/RH/... packages ? |
| 19:40 | mtj | the role of Packaging Manager |
| 19:40 | Brooke | eythian in the house yet? |
| 19:40 | guess not | |
| 19:40 | mtj | i assume its creating .deb and .rpm files from koha releases |
| 19:41 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 19:42 | Brooke | I'm going to assume there aren't too many folks that are interested and move back to the whole icky RM discussion, because I did say I'd go back |
| 19:42 | I just wanted to get a few things off the list for morale | |
| 19:42 | #topic Back to RM | |
| 19:42 | Topic for #koha is now Back to RM | |
| 19:43 | Brooke | keeping in mind it's nominations |
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| 19:43 | * oleonard | gets his internet back |
| 19:43 | Brooke | I think we have to have a good think about the 3.8 / 4.0 thing |
| 19:44 | marcelr | should be discussed further on ml? |
| 19:44 | Brooke | I also think this might be related to the numbering item that is next on the agenda |
| 19:44 | yes, that is a good idea | |
| 19:44 | sekjal | Brooke: yes, that agenda item has already been covered to the poster's satisfaction |
| 19:44 | paul_p | yep, I think that too |
| 19:45 | Brooke | keep in mind, ye of incredible procrastination capacity, that 3.8 hits on 22 October, and we've KohaCon on the horizon. |
| 19:45 | so | |
| 19:45 | are we agreed that this is moved to the list temporarily? | |
| 19:46 | slef | ok... I'll make more effort to catch up on list |
| 19:46 | sekjal | agreed |
| 19:46 | mtj | agreed |
| 19:46 | paul_p | agred |
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| 19:47 | Brooke | #agreed further discussion of the RM slot is going to be move to the list |
| 19:47 | hooray | |
| 19:47 | sekjal | I will consolidate my proposal as laid out here into an email to koha-discuss and koha-devel |
| 19:47 | Brooke | #topic Numbering for post 3.8 releases |
| 19:47 | Topic for #koha is now Numbering for post 3.8 releases | |
| 19:49 | Brooke | no one? |
| 19:49 | wahanui | hmmm... no one is working on kiritakikoha |
| 19:49 | rangi | back |
| 19:49 | Brooke | welcome back |
| 19:50 | do you have a burning desire to discuss numbering post 3.8? | |
| 19:50 | mtj | hmmm - 3.10 , and then 3.12 ?? |
| 19:50 | rangi | brooke scroll back |
| 19:50 | sekjal answered already | |
| 19:50 | Brooke | arrighty then |
| 19:50 | mtj | ahh, ok :) |
| 19:50 | Brooke | #topic KohaCon2011 |
| 19:50 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon2011 | |
| 19:51 | slef | I always saw the specifics as being for the rm |
| 19:51 | Brooke | Bear in mind that kmkale has a broken arm and is typing with the wrong hand |
| 19:51 | slef | ow! |
| 19:52 | rangi | could link to programme here? |
| 19:52 | I would but im on the bus | |
| 19:52 | slef | I;m at dinner so similarly limited for 10mins |
| 19:52 | Brooke | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon2011 |
| 19:52 | sping. | |
| 19:52 | cait | kmkale around? |
| 19:52 | slef | Brooke++ |
| 19:53 | Brooke | pfft |
| 19:53 | that's rangi and cait for ye | |
| 19:53 | slef | ? |
| 19:53 | Brooke | beautification project |
| 19:53 | my wki was uglay | |
| 19:54 | anyhoo | |
| 19:54 | get to conference | |
| 19:54 | it will be a blast | |
| 19:54 | there is your programme. We will probably continue to tweak that as the date draws near, but it's a nice overview. | |
| 19:55 | any questions, please ask, and hopefully kmkale will address them if I don't know the answers | |
| 19:56 | #topic KohaCon2012 | |
| 19:56 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon2012 | |
| 19:56 | Brooke | we have two bids, one from Reno, NV, USA and one from Scotland, UK |
| 19:57 | #info Voting starts 1 October | |
| 19:57 | now how do we manage? | |
| 19:57 | the suggestion is that we butter up nengard and ask for her survey setup another time | |
| 19:58 | thd | nengard: You are being volunteered. |
| 19:58 | cait | nengard:plz? :) |
| 19:58 | * oleonard | checks the fridge for butter |
| 19:58 | jcamins | nengard isn't here at the moment, so we can volunteer her for anything... right? |
| 19:59 | slef | 2 options, so I think it's a straight choice of approval or either/or voting. Anyone remember what we used last time? |
| 19:59 | paul_p | in french we say "missing person are always wrong". So yes, we can volunteer her ;-) |
| 19:59 | we used voting | |
| 19:59 | thd | jcamins: yes, I see no objection from her. |
| 20:00 | Brooke | jcamins, I concur. ;) |
| 20:00 | slef | paul_p: yes, what sort? I forget and can't look for an hour :) |
| 20:00 | anyway nm | |
| 20:00 | rangi | slef ranked votes last time |
| 20:00 | paul_p | but in this case, shouldn't we think to a rule to avoid having KohaCon in US just 3 years after the previous KohaCon in US |
| 20:00 | Brooke | if she doesn't read this by like next week and let us know, we'll figure out a fallback, yes? |
| 20:01 | rangi | stv almost |
| 20:01 | jcamins | nengard is going to insist (understandably) that the exact wording of the questions be provided by someone else. |
| 20:01 | cait | stv? |
| 20:01 | paul_p | (not that I don't want to go to NV) |
| 20:01 | slef | paul_p: don't change the rules mid-process. Even if I'd like the result, not really fair :) |
| 20:01 | jcamins: recycle last year's? | |
| 20:01 | thd | paul_p: If we exclude the US and one of two proposals is from the US then there is nothing to vote upon. |
| 20:01 | paul_p | yep, I agree (and I agree my sentence was not correctly written) |
| 20:02 | slef | rangi: ta |
| 20:02 | paul_p | thd, let me rephrase : I think for KohaCon13 and later, we should define a rule to avoid repeated countries |
| 20:02 | jcamins | slef: there were objections to the questions last year. |
| 20:02 | Brooke | Paul, I tried and was shot down. |
| 20:02 | slef | jcamins: got links/detail? |
| 20:02 | Brooke | so community wins. :) |
| 20:02 | jcamins | slef: not off the top of my head. I'm at work now. |
| 20:02 | slef | jcamins: and was I one? ;) |
| 20:03 | paul_p | well, maybe it's OK (but i'll ask all biblibrarians and french libraries to go & vote for UK ;-) ) |
| 20:03 | jcamins | slef: yes, you were one of the people objecting, as I recall. |
| 20:03 | slef | well I can't really phrase it unless nancyk wants to help me :) |
| 20:03 | thd | Brooke: Was no same country in the following year shot down? |
| 20:03 | Brooke | that wasn't. |
| 20:03 | jcamins | paul_p: this USian will be voting for the UK, too. :) |
| 20:04 | Brooke | having a rotating slate was. |
| 20:04 | tajoli | In fact as Italian a prefer UK |
| 20:04 | Brooke | I didn't phrase that right at all |
| 20:04 | but any how | |
| 20:04 | #agreed Nengard will hopefully once again be our saviour and create a survey based on what we did last time. | |
| 20:05 | thd | paul_p: Reno is by woods and a lake but much of Nevada is an arid desert. |
| 20:05 | slef | jcamins: ooh I wonder why? :) |
| 20:05 | Brooke | and if not, someone else will figure it out in time for the first. |
| 20:05 | * slef | looks for his memory, but has forgotten where he left it |
| 20:05 | jcamins | slef: I think the objection was about rank voting. thd may remember, I think he was the one who answered the objection. |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | i suspect it's backed up on disk somewhere |
| 20:06 | Brooke | we're at the two hour mark |
| 20:06 | #topic Global Bug Squashing Days | |
| 20:06 | Topic for #koha is now Global Bug Squashing Days | |
| 20:07 | slef | well rank voting boils down to either/or here anyway. lots are equal with only 2 choice |
| 20:07 | Brooke | smashing success so far if ye ask me |
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| 20:07 | Brooke | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day |
| 20:07 | the twitter feed was neat | |
| 20:08 | magnuse++ | |
| 20:08 | thd | I favour score voting in a manner which removes motivation for false strategic voting but that is a topic for the mailing list and a different vote. |
| 20:08 | cait | yep, gbsd++ |
| 20:08 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day | |
| 20:08 | thd | slef: We should encourage more bidders. |
| 20:09 | slef | thd: next time... |
| 20:09 | wahanui | i think next time is in 87 years or something... ;-) |
| 20:09 | ibeardslee | rangi: some further plugging of Koha planned as part of the my ACCEPTED proposal to talk about the academy at LCA in Jan. |
| 20:09 | oleonard | that gives us plenty of time |
| 20:10 | rangi | ibeardslee: awesome! |
| 20:10 | slef | kohacon2098 |
| 20:10 | thd | As slef identified, the voting method hardly matters if there are only two candidates. |
| 20:10 | Brooke | #topic Old Business (Actions from Last Meeting) |
| 20:10 | Topic for #koha is now Old Business (Actions from Last Meeting) | |
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| 20:11 | slef | any objection to a mid month bug squash next time? thoughts on a weekend one? |
| 20:12 | cait | hi magnuse |
| 20:12 | weekend one would be nice | |
| 20:12 | but we have one every 2 weeks | |
| 20:12 | magnuse | #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 20:12 | * magnuse | drops by briefly |
| 20:12 | magnuse | slef: feel free to propose dates for gbsd! |
| 20:13 | Brooke | #topic time and date of next meeting |
| 20:13 | Topic for #koha is now time and date of next meeting | |
| 20:13 | paul_p | slef, at BibLibre, we have a bug squashing session once every 2 fridays, in the morning |
| 20:13 | Brooke | k movin' on |
| 20:13 | 5th October 10 UTC? | |
| 20:14 | paul_p | 10UTC is what we've decided = 18UTC (today) -8 |
| 20:14 | * jcamins | won't be there, but it seems fair to me. +1 |
| 20:15 | slef | looks ok at a glance |
| 20:15 | Brooke | going once |
| 20:15 | paul_p | will be in switzerland on 5th |
| 20:15 | magnuse | +1 |
| 20:15 | mtj | +1 |
| 20:15 | Brooke | going twice... |
| 20:15 | paul_p | but someone else from BibLibre will be able to attend (11AM in France) |
| 20:15 | cait | paul_p: oh nice |
| 20:15 | Brooke | #agreed 5 October 10 UTC |
| 20:15 | cait | meeting has already ended, but any thoughts about rmaint? |
| 20:15 | Brooke | #endmeeting |
| 20:15 | Topic for #koha is now 3.4.4 is now available; Next General IRC Meeting 7 September 2011 at 18.00 UTC. This is a nominations meeting. | |
| 20:15 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Sep 7 20:15:55 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 20:15 | Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]-09-07-18.00.html | |
| 20:15 | Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]1-09-07-18.00.txt | |
| 20:15 | Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]07-18.00.log.html | |
| 20:15 | Brooke | ha |
| 20:16 | scurry cats | |
| 20:16 | scurry! | |
| 20:16 | paul_p | well, 10PM here, still no dinner, I leave ;-) |
| 20:16 | * oleonard | scurries |
| 20:16 | paul_p | bye everybody |
| 20:16 | magnuse | hm: <Brooke> 19:57:22> #info Voting starts 1 October |
| 20:16 | AGREED: voting closes 1 October (Brooke, 11:08:18) http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]-07-06-10.04.html | |
| 20:16 | Brooke | think about Release Maint for extra credit. |
| 20:17 | tajoli | Time OK for me |
| 20:17 | slef | good spot magnuse |
| 20:17 | Brooke | d'oh |
| 20:17 | magnuse | we actually decided to close the voting on october 1st... |
| 20:18 | slef | yeah we'd like that I think |
| 20:18 | Brooke | I really need to take time and review the agenda before meetings |
| 20:18 | magnuse | i'll raise the issue on the mailing list tomorrow |
| 20:18 | Brooke | cause right now |
| 20:18 | magnuse | gota run now |
| 20:18 | Brooke | they're kind of cryptic |
| 20:18 | magnuse | see ya! |
| 20:18 | Brooke | I'll do it, it was my bad |
| 20:20 | slef | Brooke: want me to mail you the agenda a few days ahead? |
| 20:21 | (that's what provokes me to fill in blanks in co-op meeting agendas) | |
| 20:21 | Brooke | nah |
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| 20:33 | rangi | ohh great email about migration from Heritage |
| 20:34 | cait | yay :) |
| 20:35 | wizzyrea | very nice |
| 20:35 | rangi | lets all pile on and say that on the list ;) |
| 20:35 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 20:35 | Brooke | up Baile Átha Cliath! |
| 20:37 | cait | night all |
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| 20:42 | matchew | Hi, is it appropriate to ask for help on installing koha in this channel? |
| 20:43 | slef | it'll do ;) |
| 20:43 | matchew | well, in that case here is my error: "GetHideLostItemsPreference" is not exported by the C4::Members module |
| 20:43 | now to explain | |
| 20:44 | this is at the end of the installation on centOS 5.6 | |
| 20:44 | when everything seems to be up and running | |
| 20:44 | slef | which koha version? |
| 20:44 | matchew | ah yes, important |
| 20:44 | 3.04.04 | |
| 20:44 | that error is returned from 127.0.0.1 | |
| 20:44 | slef | address? |
| 20:44 | wahanui | address is fne |
| 20:44 | matchew | there is more to the error, but it spans several lines |
| 20:45 | slef | @query gethidelostitemspreferences |
| 20:45 | huginn | slef: No results for "gethidelostitemspreferences." |
| 20:45 | slef | was worth a try :) |
| 20:46 | it'll be 15mins before I can look much... don't know if anyone else has seen that... don't think I have | |
| 20:47 | matchew: what address is the error at? | |
| 20:47 | as in the address of the page | |
| 20:47 | matchew | well, its a local address |
| 20:47 | and its the landing page | |
| 20:47 | it was after I thought I had everything configured | |
| 20:48 | slef | sure but it'll tell where to look |
| 20:48 | matchew | so, th 127.0.0.1:80|:8080 (localhost:8080), etc |
| 20:48 | http://mibpaste.com/mvUVch <-- the whole error | |
| 20:49 | slef | ok... I'll look in 15 or maybe someone will get it sooner |
| 20:49 | matchew | sure |
| 20:49 | i'm approaching the end of my work day | |
| 20:49 | so I may not be here...but I'll leave this up | |
| 20:50 | slef | yeah... almost 22:00 here |
| 20:50 | matchew | Installing on centOS is not suggested, but I had not choice. I slogged through a lot of errors, but this one has me stumped. |
| 20:50 | *had no choice | |
| 20:50 | slef | why no choice and which perl version? |
| 20:51 | matchew | well, thats the server I was instructed to install it on. |
| 20:52 | > This is perl, v5.8.8 built for x86_64-linux-thread-multi | |
| 20:52 | slef | it's possible but not as fun as debian-derived distributions |
| 20:53 | matchew | tell me about it |
| 20:54 | slef | didn't I read on lwn.net that centos 5 no longer gets updates? |
| 20:54 | matchew | possibly |
| 20:55 | I did not set up this machine | |
| 20:55 | but right after they set it up with 5.6 they released 6 | |
| 20:55 | slef | http://lwn.net/Articles/457737/#Comments |
| 20:55 | erm, no | |
| 20:55 | http://lwn.net/Articles/457737/ | |
| 20:56 | upsets me when bosses make workers use old and imperfect tools | |
| 20:56 | matchew | good to know |
| 20:57 | well, our old and imperfect production server is centOS | |
| 20:57 | slef | so anyway, you may meet a very hard problem and you may have your bum in the breeze, security-wise |
| 20:57 | matchew | and they wanted the development server to mirror it |
| 20:58 | thankfully the production server is set to be replaced by the end of the fiscal year | |
| 20:58 | slef | oh well that's something to look forward to |
| 20:59 | matchew | yep |
| 20:59 | alright, well. time to call it a day. This problem has me stumped for now. | |
| 20:59 | slef | ok... you know where the logs are? |
| 20:59 | in case your mibbit goes pop | |
| 20:59 | matchew | I'll leave this open....otherwise I'll give it another go in the morning |
| 20:59 | actually I do not | |
| 21:00 | I have come across the logs in my searches for other questions | |
| 21:00 | but, dont know exactly where they are kept. | |
| 21:00 | slef | I think it's stats.workbuffer.org.nz |
| 21:00 | logs? | |
| 21:00 | wahanui | logs are at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 21:00 | slef | yay wahanui |
| 21:00 | matchew | nice |
| 21:00 | thanks | |
| 21:00 | slef | np |
| 21:00 | matchew | well, have a nice night. I'll be around tomorrow |
| 21:01 | slef | I'll stay and watch the news headlines before looking at your paste :) |
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| 21:08 | ckirkland | is this a good place for general koha questions? |
| 21:08 | slef | yes but it's a bit quiet just now |
| 21:09 | ckirkland | okay i'll throw it out there anyway- we're still on 3.2, upgrading to 3.4 soon. We'd really like to have total fines viewable on the "my summary" page for patrons. Is this possible? |
| 21:09 | as opposed to them having to go to my fines tab | |
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| 21:11 | slef | it depends what you mean by possible... everything is possible, given time and money... but can you check the manual and a demo? |
| 21:11 | I suspect it hasn't changed betwen those versions. | |
| 21:12 | ckirkland | ok, because i saw that in 3.4 more fines details are viewable in the patron check out screen, wasn't sure about the patron side |
| 21:13 | but didn't find anything in the manual | |
| 21:13 | slef | someone else would know more... also, you could put in an enhancement request |
| 21:13 | doesn't seem like a tough change to me | |
| 21:14 | ckirkland | okay thanks! |
| 21:15 | slef | hire a devloper, probavbly be done in an hour or two |
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| 21:54 | rhcl | is there a programmer in the house? |
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| 22:08 | rangi | sup rhcl |
| 22:12 | rhcl | hey rangi |
| 22:14 | rangi | not needing a programmer anymore? |
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| 22:19 | aogle | I believe he may have been wanting to ask if anyone knew of a python function to retrieve idle(not system idle, but no input idle) status |
| 22:20 | rangi | ahh bug does i bet |
| 22:20 | bug: ?? | |
| 22:20 | (bug was one of the organisers of kiwipycon, and a python officianado) | |
| 22:22 | aogle | seems windows has a nice easy function. But linux is lacking the obvious. Searching is greatly hindered by python's IDLE |
| 22:22 | rangi | who also may be asleep :) |
| 22:23 | aogle | That's ok. I shall continue to google it away. I'm sure i'll figure out a way |
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| 22:39 | emery | Is anyone availible to help right now? =8D i need some help with the updgrade, i have upgraded to koha 3.4 and after the upgrade, my searches stopped working, anyone want a chalannge? =?) |
| 22:39 | rangi | why dont you just stay with 3.2.10 |
| 22:40 | emery | because i like some of the features on 3.4 :o |
| 22:41 | and i want to know why it doesn't work, it is bugging me (the fact i can't fix it) | |
| 22:41 | rangi | well there is no one here different to the other 4 ppl who have tried |
| 22:42 | emery | the last time we tried everyone left before i finished installing |
| 22:42 | rangi | i dont know why you keep reinstalling, that wont magically fix it |
| 22:43 | emery | i only went back once because i needed the search to work |
| 22:44 | and the first time i had my permissions screwed up | |
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| 22:54 | emery | we'll i geuss im not getting any help here |
| 22:57 | eythian | That's because usually it works, and if it doesn't, that suggests there's something wrong somewhere, diagnosing that via IRC is really hard beyond the basics. |
| 22:57 | emery | but i can get it to work in 3.2 |
| 22:58 | eythian | as in, if you switch the code back to 3.2, it starts working again? |
| 22:58 | emery | yea |
| 23:00 | eythian | same database, same koha-conf.xml? |
| 23:00 | emery | yep |
| 23:01 | well, the database is upgraded | |
| 23:01 | but same database | |
| 23:01 | eythian | yeah, 3.2 should work to some degree on a 3.4 database, just some things may break |
| 23:02 | emery | oh |
| 23:02 | eythian | you ran the upgrade to 3.4 script? |
| 23:02 | emery | yes |
| 23:02 | i think | |
| 23:02 | is it in the install.debian? | |
| 23:03 | eythian | misc/maintenance/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl --run |
| 23:03 | that one (from install.debian) | |
| 23:03 | emery | yes |
| 23:03 | i did | |
| 23:03 | i think it came back with an error though | |
| 23:04 | eythian | well, that may be a clue |
| 23:04 | emery | let me check |
| 23:04 | where do i run it? anywhere? | |
| 23:05 | eythian | run it from the base Koha directory |
| 23:05 | emery | where is that? |
| 23:05 | wahanui | somebody said that was the problem |
| 23:05 | eythian | wahanui: forget that |
| 23:05 | wahanui | eythian: I forgot that |
| 23:05 | emery | lol |
| 23:05 | eythian | it's wherever you installed koha to. |
| 23:05 | It contains a directory called 'C4' amongst a lot of others. | |
| 23:05 | emery | i may have forrgotten that, where is the default? |
| 23:06 | eythian | I don't think there is a default |
| 23:06 | emery | oh |
| 23:06 | i will go looking then | |
| 23:06 | eythian | what does 'locate C4' say? |
| 23:07 | emery | /usr/share/koha/lib |
| 23:07 | is that where i run it then | |
| 23:08 | or do i run it in /usr/share/koha | |
| 23:08 | eythian | hmm. maybe. What does 'locate remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl' say? |
| 23:10 | emery | /proc/4429/cwd/bin/maintenance |
| 23:10 | eythian | erm. Maybe something else, too? |
| 23:11 | emery | there is 2 other ones, but they are in the downloaded folder |
| 23:11 | when i downloaded koha, i put it in koha-3.4 | |
| 23:11 | they are both in there | |
| 23:11 | then that other one is | |
| 23:11 | /proc/4429/cwd/bin/maintenance | |
| 23:12 | eythian | the proc one is not useful, what are the other ones? |
| 23:12 | emery | /home/emery/Desktop/koha-3.04 |
| 23:12 | and | |
| 23:12 | /home/emery/Desktop/koha-3.04 | |
| 23:13 | eythian | hmm, well, it can run from there. |
| 23:13 | emery | ok |
| 23:15 | command not found | |
| 23:15 | eythian | pastebin the contents of /home/emery/Desktop/koha-3.04 |
| 23:16 | emery | i ran it with perl in front and it worked |
| 23:16 | no error | |
| 23:16 | eythian | ah OK. It did say something though? |
| 23:16 | emery | nope |
| 23:16 | eythian | like, it wasn't all blank? |
| 23:17 | emery | i pushed enter, then 3 seconds later emerykoha-server:`/ came back up |
| 23:17 | eythian | it should finish saying "123 records processed" |
| 23:17 | emery | nope |
| 23:17 | should i use sudo? | |
| 23:18 | eythian | no |
| 23:18 | emery | should i run it as koha? |
| 23:18 | or anyuser would be fine | |
| 23:18 | eythian | what does 'echo $KOHA_CONF' say? |
| 23:18 | this may be blank | |
| 23:18 | any user should be OK | |
| 23:19 | emery | /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml |
| 23:19 | eythian | ah right |
| 23:19 | emery | good bad? =:s |
| 23:20 | eythian | good. |
| 23:20 | emery | =:) |
| 23:20 | eythian | I can't see anything that would cause that script to not return anything though (well, unless you used --silent, which I presume you didn't) |
| 23:20 | emery | nope |
| 23:20 | eythian | try it without --run, it should give you a help message. |
| 23:21 | can you paste your exact command line? | |
| 23:21 | emery | - where use this to limit mods to selected biblios |
| 23:21 | no | |
| 23:21 | --run preform update | |
| 23:21 | eythian | wait |
| 23:21 | so it did give you a help message | |
| 23:21 | emery | -- help or -h show this message |
| 23:22 | ^^ is what it printed | |
| 23:22 | =:s | |
| 23:22 | eythian | ah, I got confused above. |
| 23:23 | emery | ok |
| 23:23 | it says after you should re-index zebra | |
| 23:23 | eythian | yeah. but it should also say how many records it processed when you run it |
| 23:23 | emery | it doesn't, i will try again |
| 23:24 | eythian | OK. |
| 23:24 | emery | yeah. nope |
| 23:24 | eythian | try it with '-where blarg' at the end. This should cause it to fail. I want to see exactly how it fails. |
| 23:25 | emery | ok |
| 23:25 | it just shows the help text agian | |
| 23:25 | eythian | copy and paste your exact command line |
| 23:26 | emery | i cannot |
| 23:26 | diffrent computer | |
| 23:26 | did you want me to manuly do it? | |
| 23:26 | eythian | that won't make things easier at all |
| 23:26 | yeah. and be exact. | |
| 23:26 | emery | my ubuntu cannot run jave:( |
| 23:26 | my ubuntu cannot run java:( | |
| 23:26 | ok | |
| 23:27 | eythian | what do you need java for? |
| 23:27 | emery | to run the chat, whatever add-on it trys to install when i go to here on it it says it cant run it |
| 23:28 | eythian | I think ubuntu comes with an IRC client. |
| 23:28 | emery | emerykoha-server:~/Desktop/koha-3.04.04/misc/maintenance$ perl remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl -- run |
| 23:28 | eythian | huh. what does 'echo $PERL5LIB' return? |
| 23:29 | wait | |
| 23:29 | you have a space in there after the -- | |
| 23:29 | that shouldn't be there. | |
| 23:29 | emery | oh |
| 23:29 | i dont in the code :) | |
| 23:29 | eythian | ok |
| 23:29 | emery | /usr/share/koha/lib |
| 23:32 | eythian | hmm, that looks OK too |
| 23:32 | emery | that is good and bad |
| 23:32 | bad - does not help | |
| 23:33 | good - is not broken :) | |
| 23:33 | eythian | yeah |
| 23:33 | emery | is there a way you can virtuly connect to my computer? |
| 23:33 | like logmein or something? | |
| 23:33 | eythian | I really don't have time for that, I'm supposed to be working. |
| 23:34 | emery | hah, lol |
| 23:34 | would anyone else be interested in that? | |
| 23:34 | maybe rangi is still here | |
| 23:35 | eythian | rangi is also at work |
| 23:35 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 23:35 | rangi | yeah, im working to |
| 23:35 | you could hire someone | |
| 23:35 | emery | when do you stop working? |
| 23:35 | rangi | ok, to be brutally honest |
| 23:35 | ive invested all the time in this i am going to for free | |
| 23:36 | there are too many other things to do | |
| 23:36 | emery | ahh |
| 23:36 | ok | |
| 23:36 | what about eythian | |
| 23:36 | eythian | much the same situation really, I'm pretty much stumped. |
| 23:37 | emery | yes, but you could try things if you could see my computer / set up, yes? |
| 23:37 | eythian | I'm sure you can find someone with Linuxy experience locally who'll be able to do it. |
| 23:37 | emery | i dont :o |
| 23:37 | eythian | I fully expect that that would take hours to set up. |
| 23:38 | emery | and it is not linux problem, i think it is something to do eith koha, wich they would not know how to fix |
| 23:38 | i am fine with tha | |
| 23:38 | i am fine with that | |
| 23:38 | eythian | I'm not though. I have plenty of people who are paying me to do their Koha stuff that I need to attend to too. |
| 23:39 | emery | :( |
| 23:40 | i will try mailing list | |
| 23:40 | goodbye, thanks for your help :) | |
| 23:40 | eythian | my suggestion is to keep poking at zebra, and looking at your database. Make sure that koha can see records, even if it can't search. |
| 23:41 | emery | it can see records |
| 23:41 | check in / check out work | |
| 23:41 | if i put n item on a list | |
| 23:41 | eythian | Ensure that there is actually something there that you're searching for. |
| 23:41 | emery | opac can see it |
| 23:41 | eythian | ah OK |
| 23:41 | emery | yes, i have made sure that works :) |
| 23:41 | bye | |
| 23:41 | eythian | and double-check the reindexing. |
| 23:42 | It's 99% certain the issue is around the zebra setup. | |
| 23:42 | emery | probably |
| 23:42 | eythian | if you post to the list, include as much detail as you possibly can. |
| 23:43 | You can't include too much. | |
| 23:43 | output from commands, and so on. | |
| 23:43 | including the exact command lines you used. | |
| 23:43 | It may be someone else has some inspiration from it. | |
| 23:46 | emery | ok |
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