IRC log for #koha, 2011-09-03

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00:40 Technicus Hello . . .
00:41 wizzyrea hi
00:41 wahanui que tal, wizzyrea
00:42 Technicus Can Koha can be use to maintain an inventory of music cd's?
00:43 wizzyrea sure
00:43 might be overkill, but certainly it could be used
00:43 Technicus How do people access the catalog?
00:43 wizzyrea over the internet, it's a web page.
00:44 Technicus Would it be useful for a cd retailer who wants customers to be able to view the store inventory?
00:45 Or is it too much?
00:45 wizzyrea hmm
00:45 so I'm to understand that currently you keep no electronic inventory?
00:46 in your store?
00:46 Technicus It is all book and paper.
00:46 It is not my store.
00:46 wizzyrea koha is for managing libraries, who don't usually do much "selling" but lots of "lending"
00:47 "the" store then :)
00:47 yes, I think it could be used that way. You run into the usual complications of keeping your inventory up to date
00:48 i.e. you sell something, it's up to you to remove it from the catalog
00:48 that wouldn't happen automatically
00:48 maybe something more like http://www.openbravo.com/product/pos/
00:49 Technicus Is it possible to configure it so that it could happen automatically?
00:49 And is it possible to set it up that the store owner can scan the bar code on the cd and reach out to the internet and get disk information?
00:51 wizzyrea I think theoretically the answer to all of your questions is yes, but I also think that koha is not quite the tool you want
00:51 Technicus Do you have any alternative suggestions?
00:51 wizzyrea http://www.openbravo.com/product/pos/
00:51 is a point of sale system
00:52 Technicus O yeah I missed that post . . .
00:52 wizzyrea though that doesn't look like it has a public side
00:52 but I admit I haven't used it
00:53 are you wanting to do something like an online shopping cart/
00:53 http://www.ubercart.org/
00:53 is more like that
00:54 www.opencart.com too
00:55 Technicus The store owner does not want people to be able to purchase from the site.
00:55 wizzyrea ah k
00:55 just a list of inventory for the site
00:55 Technicus He just wants people to be able to see the inventory, and then maybe give them a special discount code then they come to the store.
00:56 Yes a list of inventory that can link people to more information about the music.
01:00 wizzyrea i'm thinking about this :)
01:04 pianohacker hello again
01:04 lastnode is tehre an easy to list the koha instances that aer installed on a machine via koha-common on debian squeeze?
01:07 wizzyrea http://www.compiere.org/ idk, I don't think koha is what you really want technicus
01:07 certainly I think it could work, but koha is for lending, not for selling
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01:23 boboy good day!
01:24 anyone know how to configure cron settings in debian installation using 3.4.4 package?
01:27 wizzyrea yea, there's a crontab.example file
01:27 oh with the package
01:27 sorry, ignore that
01:28 boboy, any of this help?http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]e_Debian_packages
01:28 boboy yup.. debian package
01:33 i updated my installation using the package manager then found out that koha never indexes bibs so i suspected that something happened to my cron settings..
01:34 newly added bibs are not visible in the opac not like before i upgrade
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02:40 lastnode in z39.50 search, is there any way to search more
02:40 *get more search results
02:40 more pages
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03:54 kmkale N amaskar #koha
03:56 lastnode im having some problems with koha-create
03:56 i have multiple instanves adn even if i enable, i keep getitng "The Koha site you are trying to access is currently unavailable, probably because of maintenance. This is not at all your fault, and we apologize for any inconvenience the downtime may cause you. Please check back in a while. We hope to get things back up soon."
03:58 kmkale lastnode: perhaps sudo a2ensite?
04:04 lastnode kmkale: says that site is already enabled
04:05 kmkale: getting this error for all the new sits i create
04:05 after i use koha-create i just have to goto :8080 to run teh web instaler right
04:05 kmkale I have never used koha-create but could it be then  some misconfiguration of the apache virtualhosts?
04:06 lastnode yeahh, hrm
04:06 *yeah
04:06 will have a look
04:46 kmkale anybody knows where shelley has been hiding?
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05:29 mtj @seen Space_Librarian
05:29 huginn mtj: Space_Librarian was last seen in #koha 4 weeks, 4 days, 1 hour, 9 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: * Space_Librarian will think on the logistics
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06:26 lastnode http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze
06:26 im following this guide
06:26 and installing koha on vms a few times
06:26 before i do it on the vps i purchase
06:26 koha-sites.conf never seems to get made
06:26 and even after i create it and popualte it
06:27 i have to use --configfile= on koha-create to show teh path
06:28 i just get
06:28 It works!
06:28 This is the default web page for this server.
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06:39 lastnode (installing via debian packages)
06:48 it was my mysql password
06:48 does koha always assume it's root?
06:48 root/root
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08:51 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5028 - Remove references to catmaintain.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]cb26f48c53f64a20a> / Fix for Bug 6768, Two unused include files can be removed <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]57e04825b6403d698>
08:51 jenkins_koha Starting build 400 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 15 j ago)
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09:02 francharb hi #koha
09:03 lastnode hi francharb
09:18 anyone around?
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09:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #400: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/400/
09:36 * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6768, Two unused include files can be removed
09:36 * oleonard: Fix for Bug 5028 - Remove references to catmaintain.pl
09:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6768 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Two unused include files can be removed: error-top.inc and error-bottom.inc
09:36 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5028 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove references to catmaintain.pl
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10:22 cait morning #koha
10:22 lastnode hi cait
10:23 cait hi lastnode :)
10:23 lastnode could i know the proper process
10:23 for backingup using koha-dump
10:23 ?
10:23 i did - koha-dump, koha-remove, koha-restore
10:23 (on the same system, to test)
10:25 and i ran into this bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6416
10:25 huginn 04Bug 6416: normal, P5, ---, robin, NEW , koha-remove fails when dropping user
10:30 cait lastnode: sorry, I have not been working with the packages so far
10:30 magnuse and eythian are the people you might want to ask about that
10:31 leaving a comment on the bug with what you did and what happened can perhaps also be good
10:31 lastnode cool
10:31 thank you
10:31 cait: is tehrea  non-package specific backup procedure?
10:32 cait hm
10:32 lastnode like before thedeb packages were put together
10:32 which files do i need to backup
10:32 cait really not an expert in this field - my coworkers deals with backups for me
10:32 lastnode ok
10:33 cait I think dumping the database regularly is what you want to do at least
10:33 lastnode ok
11:13 cait: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze do you know if this guide is current?
11:14 koha-sites.conf is never generated during install
11:14 cait the best guides are the install files packaged with koha
11:14 ah, this is for the packages
11:14 it should be quite accurate i think
11:15 rangi After install, edit /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf with details about your site. You may need to create this file.
11:15 cait it seems eythian is updating it often
11:15 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ueeze#Quick_Start
11:16 lastnode yeah rangi
11:16 is tehre a guideline for filling out those values?
11:16 it would be good if it'slinked fromthere
11:16 if there is
11:17 cait there is a sample file I think
11:17 rangi its right there
11:17 at that link
11:17 lastnode no, i mean i have no idae
11:17 yes im there
11:17 waht does intraport/prefix/suffix mean
11:17 -does
11:18 rangi what port do you want the intranet (staff side) on
11:18 lastnode gotcha
11:18 rangi prefix and suffix are just that
11:18 do you want it to be
11:18 intra-sitename.whatever
11:18 lastnode oh, right
11:18 rangi or sitename-intra.whatever
11:19 lastnode i will also need to add the intraport to /etc/apache2/ports.conf, right?
11:19 rangi leave the defaultsql out, unless you have some
11:19 yes
11:19 we always just run it port 80
11:19 lastnode so then how do you differentiate between staff adn OPAC
11:19 if it's teh same IP
11:19 rangi dns
11:20 namebased virtualhosts
11:20 lastnode ok, i think ill use 8080 for now, no treally sure how to configure that
11:20 doesteh mysql password (root) have to be 'root' btw
11:20 rangi no
11:20 lastnode those settings are in?
11:20 rangi please dont ever set it to be that
11:21 lastnode yes, that's what i thought
11:22 rangi have you done this bit?
11:22 less /usr/share/doc/koha-common/README.Debian
11:24 what you can do
11:24 lastnode yes
11:24 rangi so you can either edit the file there
11:24 and put in whatever username and password you want
11:25 make sure that file is only root readable
11:26 or, you can symlink the debian.cnf file in /etc/mysql to be koha-common.cnf file in that same dir
11:28 lastnode done, rangi
11:28 maybe that was my problem
11:29 ive created /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf
11:29 but i have to use --configfile== to show koha-create the path
11:29 is that theincorrect default path?
11:31 rangi naw, just pass it in anyway i think someone introduced a bug recently that means you always have to tell it the path
11:33 lastnode rangi: is tehre a guide to configuring vhosts
11:33 ?
11:34 rangi it'll do it all for you
11:34 but yeah im sure there is on the apache website
11:34 not really a koha thing
11:34 lastnode rangi: i dont plan on  having a domain onmy vps for a while
11:34 so im not sure how id access the admin without a different port
11:35 like what address would i go to
11:35 rangi then do it with a diff port :)
11:35 lastnode yeah
11:35 what i figured, i just wanted to know if i was being dumb
11:35 somehow
11:35 thanks
11:36 rangi if only you were looking at it, you can do it with /etc/hosts on ur server, and your client
11:39 lastnode rangi: just going to ask something i asked before yuou joined today
11:39 is the correct koha debian backup process
11:39 koha-dump
11:40 koha-remove and then koha-restore?
11:40 (i tried it on teh same isntall adn ran into http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=6416)
11:40 huginn 04Bug 6416: normal, P5, ---, robin, NEW , koha-remove fails when dropping user
11:40 lastnode apart from taht though, is that process correct?
11:40 rangi nope
11:41 once youve removed it, you cant restore
11:41 youd have to create
11:41 then restore
11:41 lastnode right, i tried that too
11:41 ran into a ton of trouble
11:42 (prolyl due to me doing something noob)
11:42 but basically oncei have the tar.gz confil adn teh sql.gz db
11:42 im good, right
11:42 _everything_ is in that?
11:42 rangi you really only need the sql
11:42 thats the db
11:42 everything that matters is in there
11:42 lastnode ok
11:42 so basically even if i just dump the db using koha-dump
11:43 rangi you could set up another koha anywhere
11:43 lastnode then make a new koha install (even a differetnly nameed one?)
11:43 rangi yep
11:43 lastnode i can still import it using phpmyadmin?
11:43 ok
11:43 rangi you could load that file in, with koha-restore, or mysql .. or phpmyadmin if you must :_
11:43 lastnode right
11:44 so if there was an existing koha install running
11:44 and i dumped another backup (of another koha db entirely)
11:44 it would just run without a hiccup?
11:44 rangi you dumped it?
11:45 lastnode sorry, imported
11:45 rangi youd have to reindex in zebra
11:45 but then yes
11:45 lastnode wright
11:45 so basically, back up the sql file like my life depends on it
11:45 and im good to go :)
11:45 thanks rangi!
11:45 rangi++
11:46 rangi yes
11:46 i keep a weeks worth
11:46 then a monthly one, for 6 months
11:46 weeks worth of daily ones that is
11:46 lastnode i also plan onc loning my vps main disk image
11:46 cait rangi++
11:46 lastnode bc im messing around with the os itself
11:46 ill be hardening the system etc.
11:49 ok because of my lack of virtual hosts
11:49 and my use of two ports
11:49 my /etc/apache2/ports.conf file
11:50 has Listen 80 and Listen 8080
11:50 should it also have #Name VirtualHost *:80
11:50 and *:8080
11:51 bc atm im getting This is the default web page for this server, when I try to access OPAC
11:54 jcamins_away lastnode: you need to uncomment NameVirtualHost *:80
11:55 lastnode and add *:8080 too? jcamins_away
11:55 jcamins_away If you want to have the staff client on :8080, yes.
11:56 lastnode it's giving me an overlap on port 80
11:56 jcamins_away An overlap?
11:56 lastnode ok not anymore
11:56 but OPAC still wont load
11:56 staff loads fine on 8080
11:57 jcamins_away What URL are you using to access the OPAC?
11:57 lastnode http://192.168.1.3/
11:57 (it's ina VM)
11:58 jcamins_away Ah-ha. There's your problem.
11:58 When accessing by IP, you can only have one VirtualHost per port.
11:59 lastnode ok
11:59 but that's what i have
11:59 jcamins_away So you'll have to disable the default site or start using a name.
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11:59 lastnode got it jcamins_away
12:00 jcamins_away Here's what I do (I do all my Koha work on VMs): I have subdomains configured in /etc/hosts on my *laptop* which point to the VMs.
12:00 lastnode jcamins++
12:00 jcamins_away: no,illneed to run it as an ip for a while
12:00 until it's stable enough for school to set dns from library.
12:01 i disabled default
12:01 works great now :)
12:01 thank yuou very much
12:01 jcamins_away Excellent! :)
12:01 You're very welcome.
12:01 lastnode timeto buy taht linode i guess
12:02 jcamins_away :)
12:03 lastnode jcamins_away: where is the public_html directory of teh koha install?
12:03 that's where id want to have my script send sql dumps to
12:03 so i can wget from my other server
12:04 jcamins_away There is none.
12:04 lastnode oh hrm
12:04 jcamins_away (by default)
12:05 lastnode so ill have to scp or something
12:05 jcamins_away I'd definitely recommend scp.
12:06 If you really want to use wget, you could set up a directory Alias in the koha-httpd.conf file.
12:06 lastnode gotcha
12:07 jcamins_away: im just gonna get a vps. is it cool if i bother you intermittently if i run into any issues?
12:07 (setting up koha there)
12:09 jcamins_away I'll only be here on-and-off, but, yeah, just shout if you've got a question.
12:31 lastnode jcamins_away: mailname of my system
12:32 doestn really matter atm right
12:32 yeah, i guess i can edit all taht later, oncei get a domain
12:32 *subdomain
12:33 jcamins_away Right.
12:33 Make sure that you are only listening on localhost.
12:34 (otherwise you could become a spam relay)
12:42 lastnode ill probably just shut it down for now
12:43 jcamins_away: is it safe to use DOMAIN="" if i donthaev one?
12:43 or shouldi use my hostname
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12:44 jcamins_away lastnode: I think you can just leave it blank.
12:47 lastnode thank you
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13:21 lastnode jcamins_away: when you've got a minute, id appreciate some help on how to make sure im only listeningon localhost for my mailer
13:21 jcamins_away telnet ${IP_ADDRESS} 25
13:22 If that connects, you have a problem.
13:22 lastnode jcamins_away: where will the log be of that
13:22 jcamins_away lastnode: run that command.
13:22 (but substitute the actual IP for ${IP_ADDRESS}
13:22 lastnode ohr ight
13:22 if there is no mailer listening there wont eb a log obviously
13:23 yeah i realise it wont connect
13:23 jcamins_away It _shouldn't_ connect.
13:23 lastnode i was just wondering if there was a system wide log for all connectiona ttempts
13:23 jcamins_away But check.
13:23 lastnode yeah, it doesnt
13:23 jcamins_away Good!
13:23 lastnode is there an easy way to test which ports my box IS listenign on
13:23 from inside i mean
13:23 i could portscan of course
13:23 jcamins_away netstat -a
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13:26 lastnode looks ok, jcamins_away
13:26 jcamins_away Excellent!
13:26 lastnode shall i pastebin? removing the indeitfying info ofc
13:26 jcamins_away: only LISTEN matters right
13:27 i have ssh www http-alt
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13:27 jcamins_away That's correct.
13:27 That sounds right.
13:27 lastnode also mysql
13:27 thanks :)
13:27 well, what a day
13:27 time to order some pizza
13:27 jcamins_away++
13:27 will get to koha installation monday
13:27 jcamins_away :)
13:28 lastnode i have to prepare for school as well, i start teaching on the 6th
13:28 jcamins_away I guess you're probably not in the States, if you're ordering pizza now. :)
13:28 lastnode Colombo, Sri Lanka
13:28 it's 7pmn
13:28 :)
13:29 jcamins_away Ah. :)
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13:42 druthb o/
13:43 cait hi druthb
13:44 lastnode is there any danger in leaving an uninstall koha instnace
13:44 ona server?
13:44 jcamins_away No danger.
13:44 Good morning, druthb.
13:44 lastnode thanks
13:45 druthb g'morning, jcamins_away. :)
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15:07 Topic for #koha is now 3.4.4 is now available; Next General IRC Meeting 7 September 2011 at 18.00 UTC. This is a nominations meeting.
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19:50 Emery hello
19:51 I need help
19:52 jcamins_away Emery: no promises that I can provide it, but go ahead and ask your question.
19:53 Emery ok, thanks
19:53 i have installed koha live cd (and i know almost nothing, some things in terminal code) it is version 3.2 and i want to upgrade it to the current version
19:54 jcamins_away Did you install the live cd onto your hard drive?
19:54 Emery yes
19:55 jcamins_away Good. :)
19:55 Emery i figured i should do that :)
19:55 jcamins_away You should be able to just download a more recent version, and install it over 3.2.
19:56 Emery that is the problem, i dont know how :) as i said i know nothing, i downloaded it and got the code for upgrading but i always breaks
19:56 its,
19:56 perl Makefile.pl --prev-install-log / ....
19:57 but i cant get it to work
19:57 jcamins_away Ah.
19:57 What's the problem you're running into?
19:57 Emery just a sec,  i have to turn it on
19:57 jcamins_away I never used the live cd, so I'm not sure how much help I can be.
19:57 Emery it is just koha pre installed on ubuntu 10.10
19:58 it errors, Makefile.pl no such file or directory
19:58 jcamins_away Emery: oh, in that case you have to find where you unzipped the file.
19:58 ;)
19:59 Emery but i didnot unzip it, it came pre installed, where is the default location?
19:59 or is it talking about the one i downloaded, new version
19:59 jcamins_away Emery: you have to download a new version if you want to install it.
20:00 Emery yes, do i go to where i unziped the new version ?
20:00 jcamins_away Yes.
20:00 Emery ok, just hold on a minute
20:01 im excited now :)
20:01 i though noone was here
20:02 jcamins_away I'm only kind of here.
20:02 And I should caution you that I _never_ ues a "standard" install.
20:02 Emery well, that is better then not here :)
20:03 jcamins_away s/ues/use/
20:03 Emery i have found the make file.pl
20:04 in my new download.
20:04 now what do i type in terminal
20:04 it says in manual
20:04 jcamins_away Yes.
20:05 Emery perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log
20:05 jcamins_away You have to replace /path/to/koha-install-log with the actual path.
20:05 Emery now, i know i have to change some things, ut what parts?
20:05 thats it?
20:05 jcamins_away Yup.
20:05 Emery and the new path goes to the existing kohas install log
20:05 jcamins_away I have no idea where it might be, though.
20:05 Emery i will search
20:06 and the new path goes to the existing kohas install log?
20:07 jcamins_away That is the path that you need to enter.
20:07 Emery ok
20:07 it says Makefile.pl no such file or directory but it is there, i think
20:08 yes
20:08 it is
20:08 jcamins_away I think perhaps you need to capitalize the PL?
20:08 Emery ok
20:08 i think it is working
20:09 dont go anywhere :)
20:15 :d
20:15 :D
20:15 i think i did it :D
20:15 jcamins_away Good!
20:15 Emery Thanks for your help
20:15 just to confirm,
20:16 i did make file
20:16 now i typed make
20:16 it wrote alot of things on the screen, does that mean its working?
20:17 jcamins_away Yes it is.
20:17 Does, rather.
20:17 Emery i am doing make test - it says error 255
20:17 jcamins_away Does it give you more information than that?
20:17 Emery Result: FAIL
20:17 jcamins_away Right, but does it tell you what failed?
20:18 Emery Failed 2/26 tests
20:18 jcamins_away What tests?
20:18 Koha has *hundreds* of tests.
20:18 Emery just sec
20:18 im not sure
20:19 It says You planned 16 tests but ran 1
20:19 exit status 255
20:19 jcamins_away Hm.
20:19 Try running sudo apt-get install libtemplate-perl
20:19 Then run make test again.
20:20 Emery it says above ACCESS DENIED FOR USER KOHAADMIN@LOCALHOST
20:20 is that bad?
20:20 jcamins_away It means that you have to figure out what your password is.
20:21 Emery i will find it
20:21 jcamins_away You'll need to rerun the makefile, and make sure you put the correct information in.
20:21 Emery ok
20:21 i have to plug in laptop
20:21 i will be back in a couple mins
20:21 if i go away i will be back soon
20:21 like 2 min
20:22 i amm safe
20:22 i will re run make file
20:23 so i need the password for kohaadmin?
20:23 jcamins_away The database password.
20:23 Emery the mysql password?
20:24 jcamins_away Yes, the password for accessing MySQL.
20:24 Emery ok
20:25 now, it says
20:25 Database Server [localhost]
20:25 does that in the [ ] what it was before?
20:26 jcamins_away I'm not sure.
20:26 I think that's just the default.
20:26 Emery ok
20:27 now
20:27 it says
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20:27 Emery enter the password for the user that owns the database
20:27 kohaadmin owns the database
20:27 do i enter kohaadmins password or the mysql password
20:28 jcamins_away You enter the password for kohaadmin to access MySQL.
20:28 Probably "katikoan" or something like that.
20:29 Emery opps, i went with kohaadmins password
20:29 we will se if it works
20:32 fail
20:32 ok
20:32 trying mysql password
20:33 ok
20:33 that failed as well
20:33 HELP! :o
20:34 jcamins_away Emery: sorry, I have no idea how to login to your database.
20:34 Emery it has default passwords for kohalivecd
20:34 i will get link to readme for you
20:35 if you go here http://sourceforge.net/project[…]/files/release-8/ down at the bottom it has the default passwords
20:36 jcamins_away It doesn't list the password you need.
20:36 Emery it doesn't?
20:36 jcamins_away Nope.
20:36 You need the kohaadmin password for mysql.
20:37 Emery hmm, i have to go in 2 min, if you think of anything or if anyone else on here knows, please email me at emery.cairns@gmail.com
20:37 jcamins_away You'd be better off sending a message to the mailing list.
20:38 Emery uhh....
20:38 jcamins_away mailing lists?
20:38 wahanui mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/
20:38 jcamins_away ^^ there
20:38 Emery they said the root password for mysql is kohasqlpwd
20:39 jcamins_away You don't want the root password, though.
20:39 Emery :(
20:39 what if i was the user root?
20:39 jcamins_away That would be a terrible idea.
20:40 Emery oh
20:40 jcamins_away I'm sure the developer of the live cd wouldn't do something so foolish.
20:40 :)
20:40 It's not the user that you use, it's the user that Koha uses.
20:40 Emery ok, well i gotta go :(   thanks for all your help
20:40 bye :)
20:40 jcamins_away Good luck.
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21:44 cait hi all
21:46 bg hey cait
21:46 cait hi bg :)
22:23 Topic for #koha is now 3.4.4 is now available; Next General IRC Meeting 7 September 2011 at 18.00 UTC. This is a nominations meeting.
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