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| 00:21 | Judit joined #koha | |
| 00:21 | Judit | morning |
| 00:22 | rangi | hi Judit |
| 00:27 | Brooke joined #koha | |
| 00:27 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 00:28 | rangi | hi Brooke |
| 00:32 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5009 : Turning off autocomplete <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3e68e7251fcffaff3> |
| 00:34 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 351 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 00:41 | jransom joined #koha | |
| 00:41 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 00:41 | jransom | hiya all |
| 00:42 | glad to see those silly politicians have finally decided to play nicely / act like grownups / get on with it | |
| 00:42 | Brooke | erm |
| 00:42 | mebbe. | |
| 00:43 | jransom | ejits |
| 00:43 | is that a word? | |
| 00:44 | Brooke | it's close enough to ijiot to qualify |
| 00:44 | besides, you can pull a S. Palin and claim to have meant it all along ;) | |
| 00:45 | jransom | of course i could - but sadly I'm not pretty enough and i don't shoot mooses |
| 00:46 | Brooke | pfah |
| 00:46 | you *could* shoot moose. | |
| 00:46 | it isn't like they're fast mooving | |
| 00:46 | rangi | or small |
| 00:46 | its like shooting a barn | |
| 00:47 | jransom | hehe |
| 00:47 | Brooke | indeed |
| 00:47 | Judit joined #koha | |
| 00:47 | Brooke | and arguably Cleopatra was not fair of face and was a better pol than ever Palin will be |
| 00:47 | jransom | cleo by all accounts appears to have been stunning |
| 00:48 | hello judit :) | |
| 00:48 | Judit | hello |
| 00:48 | jransom | judit was at NZ koha users group meeting last week |
| 00:48 | Brooke | by accounts |
| 00:48 | jransom | we bullied everyone to come to todays meeting |
| 00:48 | Brooke | are you honestly going to trust poets like me or coins, babe? |
| 00:48 | jransom | should be about 100 kiwis here today :) |
| 00:48 | coins :) | |
| 00:49 | Brooke | http://www.humanities.mq.edu.a[…]ars_Cleopatra.htm |
| 00:51 | jwagner joined #koha | |
| 00:56 | Judit1 joined #koha | |
| 00:56 | Judit1 | hi-again :) |
| 00:56 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 00:59 | jransom | "the charm of her presence was irresistible and this, combined with her peculiar force of character, made everyone associated with her fall under her spell." |
| 00:59 | sounds like brooke | |
| 00:59 | is that why you poiinted us to that babe? | |
| 00:59 | Judit1 | talking about me? :) |
| 00:59 | * Brooke | thinks ye've taken ill. |
| 01:00 | jransom | hello judit1 |
| 01:00 | anyhoo ... | |
| 01:00 | Brooke | #startmeeting |
| 01:00 | huginn` | Meeting started Tue Aug 2 01:00:30 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 01:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | |
| 01:00 | Brooke | #topic introductions |
| 01:00 | Topic for #koha is now introductions | |
| 01:00 | Brooke | Welcome to the Koha Community Meeting |
| 01:00 | feel free to Introduce yerselves | |
| 01:01 | jwagner | I thought the meeting didn't start until 02:00 UTC? |
| 01:01 | jransom | I think we are 1 hour early too |
| 01:01 | rangi | it doesnt |
| 01:01 | :) | |
| 01:01 | Brooke | I have time in London at 2AM now |
| 01:01 | I could be an hour off easily enough though XD | |
| 01:02 | rangi | london isnt UTC this time of year |
| 01:02 | jwagner | huginn thinks you are :-) Meeting started Tue Aug 2 01:00:30 2011 UTC |
| 01:02 | Judit1 | wow |
| 01:02 | Brooke | well bust that |
| 01:02 | stupid time zones | |
| 01:02 | Judit1 | confusing |
| 01:02 | Brooke | #endmeeting |
| 01:02 | Topic for #koha is now Next General IRC Meeting 2 August 2011 at 02:00 UTC. | |
| 01:02 | huginn` | Meeting ended Tue Aug 2 01:02:28 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 01:02 | Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]-08-02-01.00.html | |
| 01:02 | Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]1-08-02-01.00.txt | |
| 01:02 | Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]02-01.00.log.html | |
| 01:02 | rangi | good practice |
| 01:02 | jransom | that woukld be the quickest meetingh on record |
| 01:03 | jwagner | And possibly the most productive? :-) |
| 01:03 | mtj | Brooke is such an eager beaver |
| 01:03 | Brooke | that I am |
| 01:03 | BobB | Can I get a coffee and come back in an hour? |
| 01:04 | Brooke | I won't tell on ye Bob ;) |
| 01:04 | rangi | you can get about 5 |
| 01:04 | in that time | |
| 01:04 | Brooke | mebbe he's an exduhrector |
| 01:04 | I know what those lunches look like. | |
| 01:04 | BobB | Wow, I'd be pumped for the meeting!\ |
| 01:04 | Brooke: LOL | |
| 01:06 | jransom | as you were folks ... |
| 01:06 | * Brooke | falls out. |
| 01:07 | rangi | !jenkins status |
| 01:07 | jenkins_koha | status of all projects: |
| 01:07 | Koha_3.2.x: last build: 34 (4 j 20 h ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/34/ | |
| 01:07 | Koha_3.4.x: last build: 25 (4 h 18 mn ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.4.x/25/ | |
| 01:07 | Koha_master(BUILDING: 32 mn and counting): last build: 350 (4 h 3 mn ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/350/ | |
| 01:11 | * Brooke | muses over how predictable people's bidding patterns are... |
| 01:12 | jransom | and receives stunned silence in retutrn |
| 01:12 | Brooke | :P |
| 01:13 | rangi | cryptic irc is cryptic |
| 01:13 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5418: Follow up fix for translated sys pref sql files <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]627e18ff8a83867ac> / Bug 5263 - Add support for including fields from the ISSUES table in advanced due... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2788233103d038cb6> |
| 01:13 | Brooke | 'twould be useful for charity auction purposes. |
| 01:15 | Agent_Dani joined #koha | |
| 01:16 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 01:18 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #351: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/351/ |
| 01:18 | Chris Cormack: Bug 5009 : Turning off autocomplete | |
| 01:18 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5009 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, dpavlin, ASSIGNED , add autocomplete="off" to borrowernumbers and barcode forms |
| 01:18 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 352 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 01:20 | rangi | hope i timed it right |
| 01:20 | that build should finish just before the meeting | |
| 01:23 | Brooke | meh |
| 01:23 | getting stuff done > meetings | |
| 01:23 | I hear some mint chocolate chip ice cream begging to be put out of its misery. | |
| 01:26 | Agent_Dani joined #koha | |
| 01:30 | Agent_Dani joined #koha | |
| 01:36 | Agent_Dani joined #koha | |
| 01:38 | danielg joined #koha | |
| 01:39 | rangi | heya danielg |
| 01:39 | jransom | editor-elect :) |
| 01:40 | Brooke | not quite yet |
| 01:40 | but soon, I suspect. | |
| 01:40 | sekjal_mobile joined #koha | |
| 01:42 | sekjal_mobile | i thought Id missed the meeting... |
| 01:42 | rangi | nope, 15 mins |
| 01:42 | Brooke | no, I'm just dumb |
| 01:42 | in my defence, the stupid level in DC is at a record high | |
| 01:42 | danielg083 joined #koha | |
| 01:43 | rangi | i think this may sum the situation up |
| 01:43 | http://failblog.files.wordpres[…]spelling-fail.jpg | |
| 01:44 | Brooke | heheh |
| 01:44 | sekjal_mobile | well that worked out. can't use irc over 3G, so finally found wifi |
| 01:45 | Brooke | any rural in W Mass used to work, but folks bollocksed things a bunch out that way |
| 01:45 | so I don't think I'm allowed to make that claim any longer. | |
| 01:47 | sekjal_mobile | hmmm, wonder if it'd work if i ran Tor... |
| 01:47 | time for a quick experiment... | |
| 01:47 | Irma joined #koha | |
| 01:50 | samerrill joined #koha | |
| 01:50 | rangi | http://www.stuff.co.nz/enterta[…]ep-hip-hop-awards |
| 01:51 | kapow | |
| 01:51 | Brooke | Maorification! *duck* |
| 01:53 | paul_p joined #koha | |
| 01:54 | paulnz joined #koha | |
| 01:54 | sekjal_mobile joined #koha | |
| 01:54 | slef | hi all |
| 01:54 | paul_p | good morning |
| 01:54 | paulnz | howdy all |
| 01:54 | paul_p | hi slef |
| 01:54 | sekjal_mobile | experiment failed. |
| 01:54 | Brooke | yes...morning... |
| 01:54 | sekjal_mobile | oh, and hi all |
| 01:55 | vanzijl joined #koha | |
| 01:56 | rangi | !jenkins status |
| 01:56 | jenkins_koha | status of all projects: |
| 01:56 | Koha_3.2.x: last build: 34 (4 j 21 h ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/34/ | |
| 01:56 | Koha_3.4.x: last build: 25 (5 h 6 mn ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.4.x/25/ | |
| 01:56 | oleonard joined #koha | |
| 01:56 | jenkins_koha | Koha_master(BUILDING: 37 mn and counting): last build: 351 (1 h 21 mn ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/351/ |
| 01:56 | Brooke | sping |
| 01:56 | good timing, Rangi | |
| 01:56 | * jcamins | fetches some yogurt ice pops for the meeting. |
| 01:56 | rangi | heh, thats gonna end up in the minutes (build will finish in about 10 mins) |
| 01:56 | cait joined #koha | |
| 01:56 | Space_Librarian | brilliant timing rangi |
| 01:56 | hey cait | |
| 01:57 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 01:57 | cait | hi |
| 01:57 | wahanui | hola, cait |
| 01:57 | oleonard | Hi everyone |
| 01:57 | Space_Librarian | hey vanzijl, welcome |
| 01:57 | joransom joined #koha | |
| 01:57 | wizzyrea | oh wow everybody's turning up |
| 01:57 | :) | |
| 01:57 | Space_Librarian | hi jo! |
| 01:58 | joransom | hiya |
| 01:58 | paulnz | yep, nice one vanzijl, you mad eit |
| 01:58 | Space_Librarian | hey paulnz didn't see you there. |
| 01:58 | slef | who's a mad eit? |
| 01:59 | paulnz | hey back Space_Librarian. |
| 01:59 | vanzijl | Yip, I've been called mad, often! |
| 01:59 | roygbivavac joined #koha | |
| 02:00 | vanzijl | We are in the middle of our training - going amazingly well! (of course!) |
| 02:00 | Brooke | #startmeeting |
| 02:00 | huginn` | Meeting started Tue Aug 2 02:00:23 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 02:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | |
| 02:00 | Brooke | Haere Mai, Welcome to the Koha Community Meeting, now at the right time and everything. |
| 02:00 | rangi | meeting, take two :) |
| 02:00 | Space_Librarian | :) |
| 02:00 | Judit1 | :) |
| 02:00 | Brooke | please feel free to introduce yerselves please #info it, too |
| 02:01 | rangi | #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, Release manager 3.6 |
| 02:01 | jwagner | #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
| 02:01 | wizzyrea | #info Liz Rea, Northeast Kansas Library System |
| 02:01 | Irma | Irma from CALYX |
| 02:01 | paul_p | #info Paul Poulain, BibLIbre |
| 02:01 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library |
| 02:01 | BobB | #info Bob Birchall, CALYX information essentials |
| 02:01 | vanzijl | Chris is lurking over my shoulder, until he subsribes |
| 02:01 | Space_Librarian | #info Shelley Gurney, Catalyst IT |
| 02:01 | jcamins | #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services |
| 02:01 | sekjal_mobile | #info Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions, 3.6 QA Manager |
| 02:01 | paulnz | #info Paul Nielsen, Hauraki District Libraries |
| 02:01 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
| 02:02 | slef | #info MJ Ray, software.coop |
| 02:02 | Irma | #info Irma Birchall, CALYX information essentials |
| 02:02 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #352: UNSTABLE in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/352/ |
| 02:02 | * cnighswonger: Bug 5263 - Add support for including fields from the ISSUES table in advanced due notices | |
| 02:02 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5418: Follow up fix for translated sys pref sql files | |
| 02:02 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5263 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Add support for including fields from the ISSUES table in advanced due notices |
| 02:02 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5418 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , New itemBarcodeInputFilter for libsuite8 style barcodes | |
| 02:02 | rangi | nen |
| 02:02 | heh even, i nearly made it | |
| 02:02 | joransom | #info Joann Ransom. NZ. HLT |
| 02:03 | Brooke | movin' along |
| 02:03 | #topic EOL on 3.2 | |
| 02:03 | Topic for #koha is now EOL on 3.2 | |
| 02:03 | rangi | do we have a chris_n ? |
| 02:03 | if not ill cover this | |
| 02:04 | Brooke | floor's yours, champ |
| 02:04 | rangi | 08:20 <chris_n> there's been no activity on 3.2.x now since last release and no volunteers to take it over, so I'm going to lobby for its EOL at tomorrow's meeting |
| 02:04 | im happy with that decision, any volunteers to take it over .. otherwise its EOL | |
| 02:04 | paul_p | +1 |
| 02:04 | wizzyrea | +1 |
| 02:04 | oleonard | +1 |
| 02:04 | cait | +1 |
| 02:05 | sekjal_mobile | +1 |
| 02:05 | Space_Librarian | +1 |
| 02:05 | jcamins | +1 |
| 02:05 | BobB | Sounds like .... |
| 02:05 | mtj | morning all |
| 02:06 | rangi | yep i reckon thats an #agreed .. unless ... ? |
| 02:06 | vanzijl | +1 |
| 02:06 | Brooke | #agreed EOL on 3.2 |
| 02:06 | BobB | #info Mason James, KohaAloha |
| 02:06 | Brooke | movin' on |
| 02:06 | mtj | #info Mason James, KohaAloha |
| 02:06 | snap | |
| 02:06 | BobB | Oops: echo! |
| 02:06 | Brooke | #topic Roadmap to 3.4 |
| 02:06 | Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to 3.4 | |
| 02:07 | rangi | with no chris_n, ill try to cover this also |
| 02:07 | * Brooke | assumed as much. |
| 02:07 | rangi | 3.4.3 was released last week, while we were at the nz koha users group |
| 02:07 | it was held up a little by the translation process, working to get that fixed for 3.4.4 | |
| 02:08 | otherwise its business as usual | |
| 02:08 | packages for it exist at debian.koha-community.org | |
| 02:09 | and at https://launchpad.net/~koha/+archive/koha-stable | |
| 02:09 | for ubuntu natty | |
| 02:09 | thats all ive got | |
| 02:09 | Brooke | hooray |
| 02:09 | music to my ears. | |
| 02:09 | wizzyrea | packages_for_natty++ |
| 02:09 | Brooke | Any questions for the man that's not here? |
| 02:09 | joransom | its all trucking along really nicely. |
| 02:10 | paul_p | maybe we can point that there is someone working on security holes those days. |
| 02:10 | Brooke | #topic Roadmap to 3.6 |
| 02:10 | Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to 3.6 | |
| 02:10 | rangi | http://koha-releasemanagement.[…]s/Work_for_3.6.x/ |
| 02:11 | nothing new to report, work is continuing nicely, havent had to pull anything out yet | |
| 02:11 | so the testing is working well | |
| 02:11 | ill expect a bunch more pushed on friday | |
| 02:11 | Brooke | #link http://koha-releasemanagement.[…]s/Work_for_3.6.x/ |
| 02:12 | rangi | but its all on target |
| 02:12 | jransom | well done everyone who is involved. |
| 02:13 | Brooke | movin' on |
| 02:13 | #topic Listing Requirements. | |
| 02:13 | Topic for #koha is now Listing Requirements. | |
| 02:13 | Brooke | I'm going to flip the agenda |
| 02:13 | and stick 2 first. | |
| 02:13 | do we want a link back to the community website? | |
| 02:13 | BobB | Yes, imho |
| 02:13 | oleonard | Yes |
| 02:14 | rangi | i have no issue with that |
| 02:14 | cait | me neither |
| 02:14 | paul_p | +1 |
| 02:14 | rangi | specially given a period to comply |
| 02:14 | slef | +1 |
| 02:14 | mtj | yes |
| 02:14 | rangi | +1 |
| 02:14 | jransom | +1 |
| 02:14 | cait | +1 |
| 02:14 | vanzijl | +1 |
| 02:14 | sekjal_mobile | I believe that is reasonable. +1 |
| 02:14 | Space_Librarian | +1 |
| 02:14 | mtj | +1 |
| 02:15 | paulnz | +1 |
| 02:15 | jcamins | +1 |
| 02:15 | jransom | mandatory: no link back = no listing |
| 02:15 | Brooke | #agreed bare minimum requirement for listing on the community website is a link from a vendor's site to the community website |
| 02:15 | now | |
| 02:15 | for non compliance on that | |
| 02:15 | the suggestion was 3 months | |
| 02:15 | is that reasonable? | |
| 02:16 | bg | #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater Solutions |
| 02:16 | jransom | i think that is too long |
| 02:16 | i think 5 business days | |
| 02:16 | rangi | seems like a lot of time for a 10 min job |
| 02:16 | that seems a bit short | |
| 02:16 | jransom | ok - 10 then |
| 02:16 | BobB | one month? |
| 02:16 | jransom | it is a 5 min job |
| 02:16 | cait | 1 month |
| 02:16 | mtj | 1 month |
| 02:16 | sekjal_mobile | no less than 2 weeks |
| 02:16 | rangi | 1 month seems reasonable to me |
| 02:16 | jransom | people are either part of the koha community or not. |
| 02:16 | oleonard | If the link back is mandatory, doesn't that mean they don't get listed unless there's a link? |
| 02:17 | Are we talking about rules about pulling a listing? | |
| 02:17 | paul_p | 1 month seems reasonable to me too |
| 02:17 | jransom | the philosphical argument will have been / should have been carried out well before asking to list |
| 02:17 | rangi | yes, but sometimes ppl have a stupid cms and it takes them a while to change their site |
| 02:17 | i dont think it hurts us giving htem a month? | |
| 02:17 | cait | or web admin is on vacation |
| 02:17 | jransom | maybe its a checklist: do this and then we list |
| 02:17 | mtj | they might *remove* that link , too ? |
| 02:17 | jransom | 1 month period now to check allexisting listings comply |
| 02:17 | Brooke | I'm hearing alignment on 1 month... |
| 02:18 | are there objections to my bad ears? | |
| 02:18 | jransom | mutters .... |
| 02:19 | you looking for +1s for 1 month? | |
| 02:19 | oleonard | Can someone clarify? |
| 02:19 | Brooke | that's what I'm trying to do here |
| 02:19 | so | |
| 02:19 | wizzyrea | so moved that companies have 1 month from submission to link back to k-c.org |
| 02:19 | sekjal_mobile | 1 month is agreeable for anyone currently listed to add the link if its not already thre |
| 02:19 | oleonard | We list them, and *then* give them a month to comply? |
| 02:19 | Brooke | I will say |
| 02:19 | for grandfathering purposes | |
| 02:19 | +1 for 1 month time frame for compliance | |
| 02:19 | jransom | agree: grandfathering only, otherwise link back and then we list |
| 02:20 | sekjal_mobile | my apologies, i must depart early. |
| 02:20 | Brooke | please do +1 |
| 02:20 | wizzyrea | +! |
| 02:20 | Brooke | for the record. |
| 02:20 | mtj | oleonard: some contacts are already listed, but dont currently comply |
| 02:20 | sekjal_mobile | +1 |
| 02:20 | cait | +1 |
| 02:20 | rangi | +1 |
| 02:20 | wizzyrea | +1 |
| 02:20 | paulnz | +1 |
| 02:20 | Space_Librarian | +1 |
| 02:20 | jcamins | +1 |
| 02:20 | vanzijl | +1 |
| 02:20 | oleonard | +1 |
| 02:20 | BobB | +1 |
| 02:20 | mtj | +1 |
| 02:20 | jransom | +1 |
| 02:21 | Brooke | k seeing no objects |
| 02:21 | objections even | |
| 02:21 | paul_p | +1 |
| 02:21 | Brooke | #agreed 1 month to be in compliance for currently listed vendors. (So do check your websites and ensure a link back to k-c.org) |
| 02:22 | wizzyrea | (I volunteer to check the listed companies, notify the non-compliant, and post the results to the list) |
| 02:22 | Brooke | wizzyrea++ |
| 02:22 | oleonard | wizzyrea++ |
| 02:22 | mtj | wizzyrea++ |
| 02:22 | Space_Librarian | wizzyrea ++ |
| 02:22 | cait | wizzyrea++ |
| 02:22 | wizzyrea | whoa whoa |
| 02:22 | ;) | |
| 02:22 | jransom | ++ |
| 02:23 | Brooke | und nao for the first part |
| 02:23 | mtj | ok folks, any requirements as to *where* the link is, on a vendors website? |
| 02:23 | Brooke | #topic Listing Requirements -- Legitamacy |
| 02:23 | Topic for #koha is now Listing Requirements -- Legitamacy | |
| 02:23 | Brooke | ooh |
| 02:23 | good point mtj | |
| 02:23 | cait | I think the main koha page |
| 02:23 | jransom | obvious |
| 02:23 | slef | cait++ |
| 02:23 | cait | was a good suggestion |
| 02:23 | paul_p | mtj, we said "home page or main koha page" iirc |
| 02:23 | Brooke | first page? |
| 02:23 | jransom | front page definitely |
| 02:23 | cait | no not firstpage |
| 02:23 | not all companies do only koha | |
| 02:24 | jransom | good point |
| 02:24 | main koha page then | |
| 02:24 | wizzyrea | I think on the product page for koha offerings, should the company do multiple things |
| 02:24 | paul_p | yep |
| 02:24 | mtj | i dont want sneaky vendors hiding that kc.org link in a tiny font-size , etc |
| 02:24 | paul_p: i agree | |
| 02:24 | jransom | indeed |
| 02:24 | slef | mtj: color: white; background: white? |
| 02:25 | wizzyrea | imo, it's a proud thing to be a Koha vendor, they would have no reason not to affiliate themselves with the project |
| 02:25 | jransom | this probably needs serious thought: re font size, colour options, |
| 02:25 | BobB | It has to promote the community. The company will be supportive of the community or not. And that will be evident from the way the link is set up. Its an objective test. |
| 02:25 | wizzyrea | and if they don't, then I don't think they really want to be listed. |
| 02:25 | rangi | i dont think we need rules about font size |
| 02:25 | paulnz | logo? |
| 02:25 | Brooke | Bob++ |
| 02:25 | jransom | yes but i can think of a compnay who will want tobe listed but willnot want to promote the koha-community site |
| 02:25 | cait | I agree with BobB and rangi |
| 02:25 | keep it simple | |
| 02:25 | rangi | its pretty easy to point out someone is being devious |
| 02:26 | yeah | |
| 02:26 | rules schmules | |
| 02:26 | Brooke | Mr. Poulain's wisdom about time wasted comes to mind, here. |
| 02:26 | jransom | even easier to make it very clear how to comply and avoid nasty discussions and claims down the track |
| 02:26 | rangi | if you want to start dictating font size |
| 02:26 | my vote is pulled | |
| 02:27 | because that is just silly | |
| 02:27 | it has to fit in with the look of the site its on | |
| 02:27 | oleonard | I agree |
| 02:27 | Space_Librarian | ditto |
| 02:27 | wizzyrea | a vendor that's fit to be listed will show their affiliation. |
| 02:27 | (proudly) | |
| 02:28 | Brooke | table specifics, or further duke this out? |
| 02:28 | slef | can we just say a reasonable link? |
| 02:28 | paul_p | should we just say "provide a link that is normally visible" or something like that |
| 02:28 | mtj | yes, i think my point re: font-size is unnecessary |
| 02:28 | wizzyrea | normally visible is fine by me |
| 02:28 | paul_p | that would point that it's also non necessary to have a proeminent link |
| 02:28 | wizzyrea | easy to judge |
| 02:29 | Brooke | so |
| 02:30 | provide a visible link from the main koha page? | |
| 02:30 | vanzijl | I have to go, nice meeting you |
| 02:30 | wizzyrea | the link will be on the koha product offering page, in a normally visible manner |
| 02:30 | Brooke | I'm not fond of normally |
| 02:30 | makes me think of quantum physics. | |
| 02:30 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 02:31 | cait | why not say link |
| 02:31 | provide a link from the main koha page | |
| 02:31 | Brooke | so that folks don't #fffff on an #ffffff background |
| 02:32 | cait | I think it's obvious that that doesn't meet the requirements |
| 02:32 | Brooke | well, it's also obvious that certain property is communal, but here we are. |
| 02:32 | mtj | "the kc.org link should be easily visible on the vendor's Koha offering page" |
| 02:32 | cait | easily visible is ok for me |
| 02:32 | paul_p | ok for me too |
| 02:32 | Brooke | +1 |
| 02:33 | wizzyrea | i move to include "provide a visible link back to k-c.org on the main Koha page for your site" |
| 02:33 | Brooke | oops not meant to vote. |
| 02:33 | paul_p | (don't see a big difference between easily and normally, so won't cut hairs in 4 ;-) ) |
| 02:33 | mtj | wizzyrea++ |
| 02:34 | wizzyrea | so vote on that? I guess? |
| 02:34 | Brooke | gimme an unconventional vote here: either +1 for wizzyrea or +1 for mtj if ye'd prefer |
| 02:34 | mtj | +1 wizzyrea :) |
| 02:35 | Brooke | right |
| 02:35 | gentleman effectively withdraws his motion | |
| 02:35 | so then | |
| 02:35 | oleonard | +1 |
| 02:35 | cait | +1 |
| 02:35 | Brooke | any objections on wizzyrea's proposal? |
| 02:35 | jransom | +1 |
| 02:35 | jcamins | +1 |
| 02:35 | mtj | +1 |
| 02:35 | paul_p | +1 |
| 02:35 | paulnz | +1 |
| 02:35 | slef | +1 |
| 02:36 | Brooke | #agreed provide a visible link back to k-c.org on the main Koha page for your site |
| 02:36 | back to the first part | |
| 02:36 | * wizzyrea | will update the listing requirements |
| 02:36 | wizzyrea | #action wizzyrea will update the listing requirements on the website |
| 02:37 | Brooke | from the agenda: reinstate "legitimate" from the originally-agreed criteria shown |
| 02:37 | * Brooke | is not neutral on this at all. You've been warned. |
| 02:37 | cait | can we get the whole sentence? |
| 02:37 | and a def of legitimate to go with it? | |
| 02:37 | oleonard | Background being the current language doesn't reflect what was voted on? |
| 02:37 | Brooke | it's got links, go look at the agenda. |
| 02:38 | rangi | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]10-05-05#i_434754 |
| 02:39 | wizzyrea | Entries will be added if they represent a current proffer of Koha services. Entries that are obviously spam (i.e., not relevant to Koha services) will not be accepted. |
| 02:39 | is what it says now | |
| 02:39 | rangi | 2. they get accepted if it is a legitamate proffer of Koha services |
| 02:39 | wizzyrea | Entries will be added if they represent a current, legitimate proffer of Koha services. Entries that are obviously spam (i.e., not relevant to Koha services) will not be accepted. |
| 02:39 | is what it would be | |
| 02:40 | Brooke | my skin crawls on this one at having legitimacy police. |
| 02:40 | slef | cait: From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 [gcide]: Legitimate 1. Accordant with law or with established legal forms and requirements; lawful; as, legitimate government; legitimate rights; the legitimate succession to the throne; a legitimate proceeding of an officer; a legitimate heir. [1913 Webster] |
| 02:40 | From Bouvier's Law Dictionary, Revised 6th Ed (1856) [bouvier]: LEGITIMATE. That which is according to law; as, legitimate children, are lawful children, born in wedlock, in contradistinction to bastards; legitimate authority, or lawful power, in opposition to usurpation. | |
| 02:40 | ||
| 02:40 | Brooke | I am also not fond of a single person blocking another. |
| 02:40 | wahanui | okay, Brooke. |
| 02:40 | wizzyrea | I do not wish to be the one deciding legitimacy. |
| 02:41 | oleonard | If we say "legitimate" we have to have an established procedure for deciding it |
| 02:41 | Do we want to get into that? | |
| 02:42 | jransom | we will have to at some point .. |
| 02:42 | paul_p | well... I think spending a large part of this meeting on this question is not wise |
| 02:42 | wizzyrea | that is to say, you're welcome to add it back, but I won't be the one judging |
| 02:43 | slef | I feel we must, else we are expecting website maintainers to direct people to unlawful sites, which is often a crime itself. |
| 02:43 | Brooke | no |
| 02:43 | as research professionals | |
| 02:43 | we are responsible for our own decisions, poor as they might be | |
| 02:44 | caveat emptor. | |
| 02:44 | jwagner | slef, I think that is not a valid argument. The page can easily say the listings are provided as a convenience; you must do your own due diligence. I thought it used to say that, in fact. |
| 02:44 | rangi | i think you are confusing reasonable with legitimate |
| 02:44 | slef is talking in terms of lawful and unlawful | |
| 02:45 | not are they just not ratbags | |
| 02:45 | slef | Yes, this is a much baser requirement. |
| 02:45 | Much as I would love us to have a "no ratbags" policy, I think that would be too hard to make stick. | |
| 02:46 | oleonard | Just as hard as defining "legitimate" |
| 02:46 | Brooke | a very common turn of phrase outside the hallowed halls of law school is that there's no law against being an arsehole. |
| 02:46 | rangi | exactly |
| 02:46 | but this is against listing unlawful sites | |
| 02:46 | not assholes | |
| 02:47 | slef | Why is defining legitimate hard? Let someone cite the law being broken, then see if the requestor rebuts. |
| 02:47 | Brooke | then it's redundant. |
| 02:47 | jwagner | slef, what law are you relying on here? |
| 02:47 | Brooke | and the courts are there to decide legitimacy, not the community. |
| 02:47 | oleonard | slef: What if there is no clear "winner?" |
| 02:47 | mtj | slef: its hard , because we are not lawyers? |
| 02:48 | rangi | what do we lose by having the word there? |
| 02:48 | Brooke | a lot of time |
| 02:48 | jransom | what about some plain english 'tests': |
| 02:48 | rangi | how? |
| 02:48 | slef | oleonard: then we probably have to pick a jury :-/ but when has there been no clarity? |
| 02:48 | Brooke | because it's then assumed that we are patrolling things |
| 02:48 | jransom | do you support koha? |
| 02:48 | rangi | its assumed by listing people we are already |
| 02:48 | jransom | as in install support etc |
| 02:48 | rangi | thats the root problem |
| 02:49 | jransom | so isnt that the only question to be asked |
| 02:49 | rangi | is that by listing them, the assumption is we approve of them |
| 02:49 | jransom | its not a quality test or 'googness' test |
| 02:49 | its a yes or no | |
| 02:49 | chilts | instead of having a complex set of rules, how about a majority vote on suspect sites/providers? then nothing needs to be done unless someone raises it at a meeting |
| 02:49 | Brooke | This directory and its contents, including but not limited to the links to other sites, purveyors, providers, and vendors of other goods, services, or information, whether for informational purposes or in the form of paid advertisement, are made available by the Koha community on an “as is” basis and without any warranties of any kind as to accuracy, merchantability, or fitness of a vendor for a particular service. |
| 02:49 | jwagner | rangi, as I said earlier, if that's the assumption, then make it plain by a disclaimer on the page. |
| 02:49 | rangi | i just dont think having the word makes it any different |
| 02:49 | Brooke | that would imply that that's a poor assumption. |
| 02:49 | slef | I feel we cannot disclaim all editorial responsibility if there is any moderation at all. |
| 02:50 | rangi | what slef said |
| 02:50 | either its free for all | |
| 02:50 | or its not | |
| 02:50 | you cant disclaim moderation and enforce the link back | |
| 02:50 | jransom | what he said |
| 02:50 | if you priovide koha support then you get listed | |
| 02:50 | Brooke | it's not an on or off toggle |
| 02:50 | you can easily enforce a link back | |
| 02:50 | and have your disclaimer. | |
| 02:50 | they aren't mutually exclusive. | |
| 02:50 | slef | If we just want to let people spam links into a search engine, let's find or make a plugin that allows people to do that. |
| 02:51 | oleonard | If you appear to provide koha support... |
| 02:51 | jransom | remember a million years ago when joshua was a still a nice guy and ptfs wanted to be listed but because it was a direct competitor for liblime he refused to list |
| 02:51 | that was wrong. | |
| 02:51 | rangi | i suspect we probbaly have a stalemate on this, and it wont be resolved this meeting |
| 02:51 | id like to move on | |
| 02:51 | Space_Librarian | rangi++ |
| 02:52 | jcamins | rangi++ |
| 02:52 | paul_p | rangi++ |
| 02:52 | jwagner | +1 |
| 02:52 | mtj | rangi++ |
| 02:52 | oleonard | I suggest those with a dog in this fight present argument to the mailing list if they wish |
| 02:52 | jransom | Owen: great turn of phrase :) |
| 02:52 | BobB | oleonard +1 |
| 02:53 | slef | yeah, sadly, I agree, but I'm really disappointed that people are willing to block such a basic, simple requirement which was previously acceptable. |
| 02:53 | Brooke | tabling this unless there's a really bloody good show of votes |
| 02:53 | rangi | fwiw, i have no issue adding the word, but lets move on |
| 02:53 | jransom | is there a resolution we can test with a vote? |
| 02:54 | Brooke | I'm not hearing one |
| 02:54 | that's not procedural | |
| 02:54 | it's informational | |
| 02:54 | slef | I've only what was originally said. |
| 02:54 | Brooke | I'm not sensing concensus. |
| 02:54 | mtj | vote for a disclaimer on the list page? |
| 02:54 | slef | -1 irresponsible |
| 02:54 | wizzyrea | the disclaimer is ez to add |
| 02:55 | Brooke | it's already there on the http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ page |
| 02:55 | I'd love to see it on ALL pages | |
| 02:55 | that are vendor related | |
| 02:55 | slef | I suspect it doesn't get read+understood anyway but doing a survey to confirm that and other stuff is a topic for another meeting. |
| 02:56 | mtj | lol, facepalm re: disclaimer :/ |
| 02:56 | rangi | slef++ |
| 02:56 | jwagner | Knew I'd seen it somewhere. |
| 02:57 | Brooke | k tabled |
| 02:57 | I did not note a bloody good show | |
| 02:57 | #topic KohaCon2011 | |
| 02:57 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon2011 | |
| 02:57 | Brooke | did anyone get an update from kmkale? |
| 02:58 | paul_p | The papers I had submitted have been approved recently. No other news |
| 02:58 | slef | not specifically for this meeting... I think I was cc'd on some emails that jransom and Brooke also got? |
| 02:58 | BobB | I haven't heard from him for a couple of weeks. |
| 02:58 | slef | but I've been afk so I may have missed stuff |
| 02:59 | BobB | afk? |
| 02:59 | wahanui | hmmm... afk is away from keyboard |
| 02:59 | BobB | Thanks wahanui :) |
| 02:59 | Brooke | anyone in house from India in general? |
| 03:00 | *crickets* | |
| 03:00 | movin' on then | |
| 03:00 | #topic KohaCon12 | |
| 03:00 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon12 | |
| 03:01 | oleonard | Strange, it's a decent hour there |
| 03:01 | jransom | I'm going and I'm very excited :) |
| 03:02 | paul_p | jransom, we will meet here then. I'm going too, with 2 other BibLibre staff |
| 03:02 | mtj | im going tooo :p |
| 03:02 | jransom | yay |
| 03:02 | paul_p | (1 librarian -francois- and one techie -julian-) |
| 03:02 | * Brooke | is going to 11. Dunno about 12 yet. |
| 03:02 | mtj | i plan on eating myself silly! |
| 03:03 | jransom | me too |
| 03:03 | Brooke | anything relevant to KohaCon2012 |
| 03:03 | ? | |
| 03:04 | slef | other news |
| 03:04 | <slef> not specifically for this meeting... I think I was cc'd on some | |
| 03:04 | emails that jransom and Brooke also got? | |
| 03:04 | <BobB> I haven't heard from him for a couple of weeks. | |
| 03:04 | <slef> but I've been afk so I may have missed stuff | |
| 03:04 | [03:59]<BobB> afk? | |
| 03:04 | <wahanui> hmmm... afk is away from keyboard | |
| 03:04 | <BobB> Thanks wahanui :) | |
| 03:04 | <Brooke> anyone in house from India in general? | |
| 03:04 | rangi | whoops |
| 03:04 | slef | [04:00]<Brooke> *crickets* |
| 03:04 | <Brooke> movin' on then | |
| 03:04 | <Brooke> #topic KohaCon12 | |
| 03:04 | *** huginn` (~supybotwww.librarypolice.com) has set the topic for |
|
| 03:04 | #koha: "KohaCon12" | |
| 03:04 | [04:01]<oleonard> Strange, it's a decent hour there | |
| 03:04 | <jransom> I'm going and I'm very excited :) | |
| 03:04 | <paul_p> jransom, we will meet here then. I'm going too, with 2 other | |
| 03:04 | BibLibre staff | |
| 03:04 | Brooke | uhhh |
| 03:04 | slef | [04:02]<mtj> im going tooo :p |
| 03:04 | paul_p | do we have a candidate for 2012 already ? |
| 03:04 | slef | <jransom> yay |
| 03:04 | <paul_p> (1 librarian -francois- and one techie -julian-) | |
| 03:05 | * Brooke is going to 11. Dunno about 12 yet. | |
| 03:05 | <mtj> i plan on eating myself silly! | |
| 03:05 | [04:03]<jransom> me too | |
| 03:05 | paul_p | slef fall asleep on his keyboard... |
| 03:05 | slef | <Brooke> anything relevant to KohaCon2012 |
| 03:05 | <Brooke> ? | |
| 03:05 | Brooke | apparently paul. |
| 03:05 | slef | ERC> While everyone wishes to meet every year currently, is this this right frequency? Would anyone be upset with local Conferences in addition to our World Conference? Would doing so burn possible hosts out? |
| 03:05 | argh sorry | |
| 03:05 | in mitigation, it's the first time in years I've done that! | |
| 03:05 | While everyone wishes to meet every year currently, is this this right frequency? Would anyone be upset with local Conferences in addition to our World Conference? Would doing so burn possible hosts out? | |
| 03:05 | rangi | :) |
| 03:05 | slef | was what I was trying to paste |
| 03:05 | jransom | am i nuts to be a bit concerned about planning for kohacon11 |
| 03:05 | paul_p | fortunatly, you didn't paste any password ;-) |
| 03:05 | rangi | i dont think local ones would hurt |
| 03:05 | Space_Librarian | jransom: no, you're not |
| 03:06 | I've had concerns for months now | |
| 03:06 | rangi | we plan to run 2 nzkoha user group meetings a year |
| 03:06 | BobB | jransom: you are not nuts. |
| 03:06 | Brooke | arright |
| 03:06 | hang on | |
| 03:06 | #topic #kohacon11 | |
| 03:06 | Topic for #koha is now #kohacon11 | |
| 03:06 | slef | paul_p: I think the co-op is willing to bid for 2012 and I think I know where and a possible librarian host. |
| 03:06 | paul_p | in fact, in France there is a yearly conf already ! |
| 03:06 | rangi | tsk tsk |
| 03:06 | keep up people | |
| 03:06 | Space_Librarian | lol |
| 03:06 | rangi | :) |
| 03:06 | paul_p | slef++ |
| 03:06 | Brooke | here is what I will say on this |
| 03:06 | at the very worst | |
| 03:07 | cait | co-op++ |
| 03:07 | paul_p | avoid London please = we go there for DrupalCon in august, it's soooo expensive !!!! |
| 03:07 | Brooke | we will have one hell of an unconference |
| 03:07 | for KohaCon 11 | |
| 03:07 | so do go | |
| 03:07 | we will do stuff | |
| 03:07 | paul_p | "one hell of an unconference" ??? |
| 03:07 | mtj | yeah, i agree with brooke |
| 03:07 | BobB | There is risk |
| 03:07 | oleonard | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconference |
| 03:08 | jransom | that no indian representative is here today concerns me |
| 03:08 | slef | paul_p: London's second choice atm but I know what you mean. |
| 03:08 | jransom | we are very close |
| 03:08 | Brooke | I hear that, jo |
| 03:08 | Space_Librarian | ditto |
| 03:08 | Brooke | It's unnerving that they've been absent a number of times now |
| 03:08 | and started with multiple bids | |
| 03:09 | paul_p | I know what "unconference" means. I don't understand "one hell of an unconference" |
| 03:09 | rangi | as long as there is a venue |
| 03:09 | Brooke | which there is |
| 03:09 | Space_Librarian | and I don't think there's been much of a showin the volunteers meeting either |
| 03:09 | jransom | 2011: will happen regardless may be unconference so no worries |
| 03:09 | jcamins | paul_p: an unconference with French wine. :D |
| 03:09 | rangi | everything else is just extras |
| 03:09 | slef | paul_p: a bloody good unconference? |
| 03:09 | paul_p | ok, gotcha |
| 03:09 | jransom | Paul-p: it willgreat big huge Kiwi-style fun :) |
| 03:09 | with bollywood dancing instead of haka | |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea | i would pay to see you doing bollywood style dancing |
| 03:10 | BobB | LOL |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea | that would be amazing. |
| 03:10 | paul_p | just FYI = as everybody seemed to enjoy the european hackfest last april, I think we will organize another one in 2012 |
| 03:10 | jransom | well we have seen paul do haka |
| 03:10 | paul_p | maybe a little bit earlier (march ?) |
| 03:10 | Brooke | wizzy, I need a clarification on that motion |
| 03:10 | are you moving that Jransom is providing dancing, or that paul p is? | |
| 03:11 | jransom | maybe a duet |
| 03:11 | cait | reminding everyone - i want to catch a little more sleep ;) |
| 03:11 | paul_p | cait++ |
| 03:11 | jwagner | cait++ |
| 03:11 | Space_Librarian | cait++ |
| 03:11 | paul_p | (5am here) |
| 03:11 | jransom | brooke: get thismeeting back ontrack immediately |
| 03:11 | Brooke | ha |
| 03:11 | * jwagner | is up past my bedtime.... |
| 03:11 | slef | paul_p: March might be better. Less tax/finance/contract admin going on. |
| 03:11 | Brooke | says the one that derails things :P |
| 03:11 | fine | |
| 03:11 | #topic kohacon12 | |
| 03:11 | Topic for #koha is now kohacon12 | |
| 03:11 | Brooke | serious |
| 03:12 | anyone besides MJ currently bidding on 12? | |
| 03:12 | cait | not on the wiki or the mailing lists |
| 03:12 | Brooke | if you are even vaguely considering it, you've a month. This is your notice. |
| 03:12 | paul_p | send a reminder on mailing lists ? |
| 03:12 | (as sept 1st is the deadline) | |
| 03:12 | * oleonard | nods off |
| 03:12 | cait | but the deadlines have been decided on and a reminder was on the newsletter and the mailing list |
| 03:12 | * wizzyrea | pokes oleonard |
| 03:12 | Brooke | #help someone send a reminder to the lists for final 2012 Kohacon bids |
| 03:12 | jransom | if there is only 1 bid it makes it much easier ... jujst saying |
| 03:12 | rangi | and back to slefs point, i dont think local ones detract as long as they arent advertised as kohacon |
| 03:12 | * oleonard | jumps |
| 03:13 | rangi | different audiences |
| 03:13 | cait | yes |
| 03:13 | Brooke | anything else? |
| 03:13 | wahanui | somebody said anything else was reinventing the wheel. |
| 03:13 | Brooke | #topic Newsletter Editor Nominations |
| 03:13 | Topic for #koha is now Newsletter Editor Nominations | |
| 03:13 | slef | any volunteer to send that? Obviously I'm happy if it's uncontested this year ;-) |
| 03:13 | rangi | :) |
| 03:14 | yeah i want it to be uk too, so someone else needs to send the mail :) | |
| 03:14 | slef | wahanui: forget anything else |
| 03:14 | wahanui | slef: I forgot anything else |
| 03:14 | Space_Librarian | au revoir everybody. I've got to sneak off and sign a contract. I'll be lurking here henceforth.... |
| 03:14 | cait | ukukuk :) |
| 03:14 | jcamins | Daniel G volunteered to be newsletter editor. |
| 03:14 | +1 from me. | |
| 03:14 | rangi | and i vote we accept |
| 03:14 | jransom | +1 |
| 03:14 | rangi | +1 |
| 03:14 | cait | +1 |
| 03:14 | oleonard | +1 |
| 03:15 | mtj | +1 |
| 03:15 | slef | maybe we'll be off to sunny scotland... oh, wait |
| 03:15 | jransom | oxymoron |
| 03:15 | Brooke | this is presumably for Daniel G as editor, yes? |
| 03:15 | wizzyrea | +1 |
| 03:15 | jcamins | Brooke: that's what I voted on. But it's 45 minutes before midnight, so I could be confused. |
| 03:15 | rangi | heh |
| 03:15 | Brooke | #agreed Daniel G is the Newsletter Editor. Congratulations. |
| 03:16 | slef | +1 |
| 03:16 | paul_p | +1 |
| 03:16 | * slef | waves at jcamins from 0415 |
| 03:16 | Brooke | #topic Roles for 3.8 |
| 03:16 | Topic for #koha is now Roles for 3.8 | |
| 03:16 | rangi | oh missed the global bug squashing |
| 03:16 | thats worth recording in the minutes | |
| 03:17 | wizzyrea | it's this friday, hide ya kids, hide ya wife. |
| 03:17 | nengard joined #koha | |
| 03:17 | wizzyrea | or s omething. |
| 03:17 | rangi | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day |
| 03:17 | Brooke | ta |
| 03:17 | oleonard | Be there or be square. |
| 03:17 | rangi | ok 3.8 |
| 03:17 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.8 | |
| 03:17 | volunteer if you are crazy | |
| 03:18 | * nengard | Nicole Engard, Documentation Manager / ByWater Solutions (late arrival) |
| 03:18 | jcamins | +1 |
| 03:18 | paul_p | OK, so i'm crazy ;-) |
| 03:18 | oleonard | Is there a deadline? A scheduled vote? |
| 03:18 | paul_p | hi nengard |
| 03:18 | BobB | I have to go. I'll follow up with others re KohaCon11. See you all later. |
| 03:19 | paul_p | oleonard, not yet. I think we could decide one now |
| 03:19 | Brooke | I am treating this like an expression of interest |
| 03:19 | rangi | how about september 22nd deadline |
| 03:19 | paul_p | I think september is a good dead line |
| 03:19 | rangi | thats one month out |
| 03:19 | paul_p | ++ |
| 03:19 | jwagner | Is that September deadline for nominations? |
| 03:19 | rangi | yes |
| 03:19 | oleonard | And vote at the following meeting? |
| 03:19 | paul_p | yep. Then oct 3.6 release and new team start working |
| 03:19 | rangi | vote in the early october meeting |
| 03:19 | cait | so meeting in november for decision? |
| 03:19 | Brooke | is that going to leave us enough time for release? |
| 03:20 | cait | ah october |
| 03:20 | sorry | |
| 03:20 | rangi | ? |
| 03:20 | Brooke | do we want a special election meeting |
| 03:20 | ? | |
| 03:20 | rangi | naw |
| 03:20 | cait | normal irc |
| 03:20 | general meeting | |
| 03:20 | wahanui | general meeting is probably when? |
| 03:20 | Brooke | k |
| 03:20 | rangi | well, if there are contested positions we can rethink that |
| 03:20 | oleonard | It's hard enough getting everyone to the regular one (myself included) |
| 03:20 | paul_p | + let's see if we have more than 1 candidate for each position ! |
| 03:20 | rangi | but i doubt we have that many crazies |
| 03:21 | oleonard | Moving on? |
| 03:21 | rangi | shall we agree on the times? |
| 03:21 | paul_p | rangi++ |
| 03:21 | mtj | vote for a september 22nd deadline? |
| 03:22 | Brooke | Nomination Deadline of 22 September |
| 03:22 | rangi | september 22 nomination deadline and a vote at the october irc meeting |
| 03:22 | Brooke | +1 for yes |
| 03:22 | oleonard | +1 |
| 03:22 | Brooke | amend it to rangi's |
| 03:22 | so we're not voting 2 times | |
| 03:22 | rangi | +1 |
| 03:22 | jcamins | +1 |
| 03:22 | jwagner | +1 |
| 03:22 | mtj | +1 |
| 03:22 | wizzyrea | +1 |
| 03:22 | paul_p | +1 If more than one candidate for one position, they will have something like 2 weeks to argue |
| 03:23 | cait | +1 22nd / october |
| 03:23 | jwagner | Is someone going to do an email to the listserv asking for nominations? |
| 03:23 | cait | I think some of the proposal's might still give room for discussion |
| 03:23 | even if there are not a lot of candidates | |
| 03:23 | paul_p | jwagner, ??? |
| 03:23 | wahanui | jwagner, are you thinking of http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5391 |
| 03:23 | huginn` | 04Bug 5391: critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, RESOLVED FIXED, can't add multiples to batch |
| 03:23 | rangi | yeah, its a wiki, discussion can happen on the proposals |
| 03:23 | Brooke | #agreed Express interest via the mailing list for Nominations by 22 September. Elections in October. |
| 03:24 | jwagner | wahanui, no I wasn't :-) |
| 03:24 | wahanui | jwagner: excuse me? |
| 03:24 | jcamins | wahanui: forget jwagner |
| 03:24 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot jwagner |
| 03:24 | jcamins | Didn't work. Sorry jwagner, you'll have to figure that one out. |
| 03:25 | jwagner | Mind you, I think paul_p is a fine candidate. I just think the process should be publicized. |
| 03:25 | Brooke | No one said otherwise, Jane. |
| 03:25 | the community has always been transparent. | |
| 03:25 | jwagner | I know, just arguing with the robot :-) |
| 03:26 | Brooke | #topic Old Business |
| 03:26 | Topic for #koha is now Old Business | |
| 03:26 | paul_p | jwagner, I plan to send a mail to koha-devel to announce the wiki page of roles and my application |
| 03:26 | jwagner | great, thanks. |
| 03:26 | Brooke | anything from July's meeting we want to beat worse than the other dead horses laying about? |
| 03:27 | rangi | not me |
| 03:27 | paul_p | not me either |
| 03:27 | Brooke | #topic New Business and Miscellanea |
| 03:27 | Topic for #koha is now New Business and Miscellanea | |
| 03:27 | Brooke | anything else? |
| 03:28 | paul_p | new business = one new french library has choosen Koha (and BibLibre). That will be 8 universities in France |
| 03:28 | jransom | :) |
| 03:28 | oleonard | Congratulations paul_p |
| 03:29 | paul_p | Misc = some french librarians invited to greek universities conference, in november. To speak of Koha |
| 03:29 | Brooke | #topic time and date for the next General Meeting |
| 03:29 | Topic for #koha is now time and date for the next General Meeting | |
| 03:29 | Brooke | toss out a date, peeps. |
| 03:30 | rangi | first wednesday of sept |
| 03:30 | cait | next will be on a normal time again - yay |
| 03:30 | paul_p | won't propose a date, but the hour should be = 2 + 8 = 10GMT |
| 03:30 | cait++ :D | |
| 03:30 | rangi | yep |
| 03:30 | Brooke | that is 7 September |
| 03:30 | cait | hm thought we were going backwards? |
| 03:30 | Brooke | ^ |
| 03:30 | rangi | lemme check |
| 03:31 | paul_p | sept 7th ok for me |
| 03:31 | jcamins | 7 September at... 8 hours before 0200 UTC. |
| 03:31 | rangi | july was 10utc |
| 03:31 | cait | I think it was 12 before 4 now, so next hsould be 20 |
| 03:31 | rangi | so yes backwards |
| 03:31 | cait | in my timezone |
| 03:31 | paul_p | right, sorry, we're going backwards |
| 03:32 | jcamins | +1 from me for whatever time is eight hours before 0200 UTC. |
| 03:32 | rangi | 18:00 |
| 03:32 | sept 7 18:00 utc ? | |
| 03:32 | Brooke | calling for a vote 7 September 18.00 |
| 03:32 | +1 to agree | |
| 03:32 | mtj | +1 |
| 03:32 | oleonard | +1 |
| 03:32 | rangi | +1 |
| 03:32 | cait | no vote - a bit badfor me personally |
| 03:32 | jwagner | +1 |
| 03:33 | paul_p | +1 |
| 03:33 | cait, another date better for you ? | |
| 03:34 | oleonard | Hey, voting is already in progress :P |
| 03:34 | Brooke | ^ |
| 03:34 | cait | paul_p: it's ok |
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| 03:35 | Brooke | #agreed 7 September 18.00 |
| 03:35 | #endmeeting | |
| 03:35 | Topic for #koha is now Next General IRC Meeting 2 August 2011 at 02:00 UTC. | |
| 03:35 | huginn` | Meeting ended Tue Aug 2 03:35:11 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 03:35 | Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]-08-02-02.00.html | |
| 03:35 | Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]1-08-02-02.00.txt | |
| 03:35 | Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]02-02.00.log.html | |
| 03:35 | Brooke | Go home! |
| 03:35 | slef | I am home! |
| 03:35 | cait | yes |
| 03:35 | slef | ttyl |
| 03:35 | jwagner | Me too. But now I'm going to bed..... |
| 03:35 | * cait | goes back to sleep |
| 03:35 | Amit_Gupta | heya Brooke, Cait |
| 03:35 | oleonard | See you later everyone |
| 03:36 | Brooke | cheers |
| 03:36 | cait left #koha | |
| 03:36 | rangi | night all the sleepers |
| 03:36 | paul_p | ok, bye bye |
| 03:36 | Brooke | the number of people that can't work a proper kiwi day, I'll tell ya. |
| 03:37 | jcamins | Amit_Gupta: if you get a chance, could you send the rebased analytics code, with installation script, to the mailing list? I'd love to see it get into 3.6. |
| 03:37 | Brooke | hey Amit, heard anything about KohaCon11? |
| 03:38 | Topic for #koha is now Next General IRC Meeting 7 September 2011 at 18.00 UTC. This is a nominations meeting. | |
| 03:38 | rangi | it is? |
| 03:39 | jransom | heya amit |
| 03:39 | good night all | |
| 03:39 | Amit_Gupta | heya jransom, chris ;) |
| 03:39 | jcamins | And now I have to go to sleep before I keel over. |
| 03:39 | Good night, #koha | |
| 03:39 | Brooke | night |
| 03:40 | rangi | hi Amit_Gupta |
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| 03:41 | Brooke | you! |
| 03:41 | * Brooke | eyes kmkale. |
| 03:41 | Brooke | you needs make a few meetings, buster. |
| 03:41 | kmkale | :( |
| 03:41 | * kmkale | tries to hide |
| 03:42 | kmkale | too much travelling :( |
| 03:42 | Brooke | it's once a month |
| 03:42 | kmkale | a succession of bad dates |
| 03:43 | Brooke | send a surrogate! |
| 03:43 | jransom | not a good look |
| 03:43 | Brooke | but folks want your shining, happy face. |
| 03:43 | \ | |
| 03:43 | kmkale | wish I had one |
| 03:43 | jransom | so we have to ask: is KohaCon11 in good heart? |
| 03:43 | kmkale | yep |
| 03:44 | jransom | we need to communiucate that better to the community at large. non attendance or represeantation at koha meetings held at time specifically to make it easy for indian koha folk to attend was a very bad look ... |
| 03:44 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5788] Move ReservesMaxPickupDelay system preference to the Circulation Matrix. <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5788> |
| 03:45 | jransom | what a big growling you are getting - i'm sorry. thats not fair |
| 03:46 | Amit_Gupta | heya kmkale |
| 03:47 | kmkale | people I apologies but work schedule has been really hectic with multiple out of station projects. |
| 03:47 | Please take heart that Kohacon11 is on track. | |
| 03:47 | hi Amit_Gupta | |
| 03:47 | We have all the ground arrangements in hand. | |
| 03:48 | jransom | ok. |
| 03:48 | thats good to hear | |
| 03:48 | kmkale | How is the papers and scheduling faring? |
| 03:49 | I did a few new papers reviw assignment but the reviews are just not happening by reviewers | |
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| 03:49 | Brooke | line em up |
| 03:49 | kmkale | meaning? |
| 03:49 | Brooke | I can review everything but mine own |
| 03:49 | and I've only got 2 so far. | |
| 03:49 | jransom | i wonder at what point we need to consider reviewing whether to hang out for written papers etc - even abstracts? |
| 03:50 | kmkale | I think that time is near |
| 03:50 | jransom | what she menas is she will reviewe any and all that you send her |
| 03:50 | Brooke | yep, jransom's got the gist of my natterings. |
| 03:50 | kmkale | ok. I will reassign the unreviewed ones |
| 03:50 | jo's I have already accepted | |
| 03:50 | jransom | and perhaps consider an unconference format ... |
| 03:51 | (my pathetic 1 sentence "i;ve been thinking along the lines of ... " | |
| 03:51 | kmkale | I think we have about 12. VPM will contribute a couple |
| 03:51 | we need about 18 to fill the three days | |
| 03:51 | so we are not far | |
| 03:51 | jransom | I'd willingly withdraw my paper if the programme is looking full |
| 03:51 | Brooke | 0.0 |
| 03:51 | jransom | or if better ones come along |
| 03:51 | kmkale | heh no way jransom |
| 03:52 | we need more imho | |
| 03:52 | jransom | well dont expect too much before hand |
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| 03:52 | jransom | brooke and i are parking up in goa for a week while i write and she brings cocktails :) |
| 03:52 | kmkale | shall we just accept the abstracts and request full paper submissions? |
| 03:52 | Brooke | heh |
| 03:52 | kmkale | heh when is that? |
| 03:52 | before or after? | |
| 03:52 | jransom | the whole week immediately before kohacon11 |
| 03:53 | then a weekafter we are heading up to delhi / agra / whereever | |
| 03:53 | kmkale | cool so Diwali in Goa. That shoud be real fun :) |
| 03:53 | Brooke | I'll be murdered by KohaCon, though |
| 03:53 | jransom | i'm so excited |
| 03:53 | kmkale | SUPER!! |
| 03:53 | Wich I could re visit those places myself :( | |
| 03:53 | *wish too | |
| 03:53 | jransom | its only an hour by plane from mumbai |
| 03:54 | * Brooke | sneezes. |
| 03:54 | Brooke | Planes are for richies. |
| 03:54 | jransom | and i have a local family bruinging me a care package to deleiver to their daughter who under a briedge in a slum somewhere in mumbai with an aid programme |
| 03:54 | Brooke | that is just going to be wonderful story material. |
| 03:54 | jransom | may need some help with that wee mission :) |
| 03:55 | Brooke | I'll be sleeping under the same overpass since ye'll be sick of me by then. |
| 03:55 | jransom | it might be more peacful than my snoring |
| 03:55 | kmkale | sure jransom |
| 03:55 | jransom | kmkale: i'd just accept all papers |
| 03:56 | stick them into a programme | |
| 03:56 | and change it over time as need arises | |
| 03:56 | wahanui | jransom: that doesn't look right |
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| 03:56 | kmkale | I am leaning that way since last meeting I managed to attend jransom |
| 03:56 | BobB | Hi kmkale |
| 03:56 | kmkale | Hi BobB |
| 03:56 | Brooke | ha. Disagree with jransom ye stinkin' bot, ye get booted. |
| 03:57 | BobB | Do you intend that all sessions at KohaCon will be one hour long? In my view, that's unnecessary. There can be room for shorter papers too. |
| 03:57 | kmkale | BobB: that was the general format decided in one of the previous volunteers meeting |
| 03:58 | 'but of course we can be as flexible as required | |
| 03:58 | BobB | We could even have a session for lightning talks - say six 90 second talks to make a 15 minute slot. |
| 03:58 | kmkale | great idea |
| 03:58 | will it be on the spot? cause we dont have enough papers to fill the three days at present? | |
| 03:58 | Brooke | oof. 90 second talks are cruel and unusual punishment. |
| 03:59 | kmkale | a panel discussion will be great |
| 03:59 | jransom | i'd like a shorter time slot |
| 03:59 | kmkale | lets try to set pne up |
| 03:59 | Brooke | are you sure we don't have 18 solid papers? |
| 03:59 | BobB | I've seen it at Linux conf. Done well, its fantastic fun. |
| 03:59 | wizzyrea | well 5 minute lightning talks are fun |
| 03:59 | Brooke | the number i had on my reviews was in that neighbourhood. |
| 03:59 | wizzyrea | 90s is a bit short |
| 03:59 | :) | |
| 03:59 | kmkale | hi wizzyrea |
| 04:00 | wizzyrea | hello :) |
| 04:00 | jransom | i thuink 5 min is great |
| 04:00 | kmkale | how about the panel discussions idea |
| 04:00 | wizzyrea | i really ought to be going to bed |
| 04:00 | jransom | and i love panel discussions too |
| 04:00 | kmkale | any panelists volunteering? |
| 04:00 | jransom | very good to participate in and also to watch |
| 04:00 | kmkale | any subjects for it? |
| 04:00 | jransom | i have to take daughter to work |
| 04:00 | kmkale | that could be a two hour event |
| 04:00 | jransom | be back in 5 |
| 04:00 | what! 2 hours ... you'll kill us | |
| 04:01 | BobB | There could even be two panel sessions - one of librarians and one of support companies. |
| 04:01 | kmkale | hey for a panel discussion with 5 / 6 panelists such as yourself, bob, brooke, paul etc it will be great |
| 04:01 | BobB | Has anyone offered a paper on Authorities in Koha? |
| 04:02 | That's a topic I'd like to learn more about. | |
| 04:02 | kmkale | and ruth |
| 04:02 | me too bob | |
| 04:02 | and on article indexing | |
| 04:02 | thats been bugging me past gew weeks | |
| 04:02 | BobB | Step up expert librarians! |
| 04:03 | kmkale | can anyone do how to arrange a libraries workflow around Koha? |
| 04:03 | Brooke | article indexing how? |
| 04:03 | kmkale | that would be a great topis I think |
| 04:03 | rangi | it should be arranging koha round your workflow |
| 04:03 | Brooke | as in abstracting, or stop words? |
| 04:03 | kmkale | heya rangi |
| 04:04 | rangi | we dont have all those sysprefs for nothing |
| 04:04 | :) | |
| 04:04 | Brooke | heh |
| 04:04 | kmkale | hehe |
| 04:04 | but still an interesting topic for librarians looking to make that switch | |
| 04:04 | and there are plenty wanting to do that in India | |
| 04:05 | rangi | yep, but we must make sure to stress there isnt a koha workflow |
| 04:05 | thats one of our major points of difference | |
| 04:05 | so sample workflows maybe | |
| 04:06 | kmkale | that would be great |
| 04:06 | rangi will you do a presentation? | |
| 04:06 | even remote one will do if you REALLY cant make it | |
| 04:06 | rangi | i really cant |
| 04:06 | im presenting in nz at the same time | |
| 04:06 | and in canada a week before | |
| 04:07 | but i can try to do a remote one | |
| 04:07 | kmkale | not even a remote one? |
| 04:07 | aahh. you had an idea about the Koha timeline caan you do that? | |
| 04:07 | can you take a look and let me know your prefered date and time? | |
| 04:07 | I will create a slot | |
| 04:09 | BobB | Australians need a visa to visit India |
| 04:10 | Brooke | like everyone does bob |
| 04:10 | BobB | There is a tourist visa and a conference visa. I'm not sure which one I will need. |
| 04:10 | Brooke | Indian Visa? |
| 04:10 | wahanui1 | Indian Visa is multi entry Tourist Visa *wink wink* *nudge nudge* |
| 04:10 | BobB | To get a conference visa you need a letter from the organisers. |
| 04:10 | Brooke | a yep |
| 04:11 | BobB | And I'm not sure what restrictions that may put you on. Can you do tourist stuff before or after the conference? |
| 04:11 | jransom | tourist one is loads easier |
| 04:12 | hey all those ideas for conference topics sounded good. | |
| 04:12 | BobB | That's prolly the way to go: get a tourist visa and don't mention KohaCon at the airport. |
| 04:12 | jransom | lets schedule a couple of those as 30 minute panel discussions |
| 04:12 | Brooke | ! |
| 04:12 | panel discussions warrant more time | |
| 04:13 | jransom | ok - more time then |
| 04:13 | rangi | kmkale: will do |
| 04:13 | BobB | Yeah, one hour for a panel. |
| 04:13 | kmkale | cool rangi |
| 04:13 | Brooke | Let's ascend Taranaki. 5 minutes. Go! |
| 04:13 | How hard can it be? | |
| 04:13 | kmkale | and yeh panel discussions one per day will do the trick of filling uop the slots nicely :) |
| 04:13 | rangi | what times are available? |
| 04:14 | * Brooke | is clearly punchy. |
| 04:14 | rangi | and what is the time in india now? |
| 04:14 | BobB | Who could we ask to prepare a paper on Authorities (amongst those attending) |
| 04:14 | Brooke | I've got 9.44am in Mumbai |
| 04:14 | jransom | mason maybe |
| 04:14 | rangi | right |
| 04:14 | kmkale | rangi: its 9.45 am |
| 04:15 | rangi | and sessions start at? |
| 04:15 | BobB | He doesn't claim that as a strength, afaik |
| 04:15 | rangi | 9.30am? |
| 04:15 | kmkale | rangi we havent prepared a schedule yet so pick your time |
| 04:15 | rangi | that way i could do it frmo work |
| 04:15 | without dogs and kids helping | |
| 04:15 | Brooke | you're no fun! |
| 04:16 | kmkale | :) sure so we start day two with rangi?> |
| 04:16 | * Brooke | cancels the Pro Football Advice from Ata slot... |
| 04:16 | kmkale | that is 1st NOvember 9.30am for rangi's remote presentation |
| 04:16 | is that ok? | |
| 04:16 | rangi | lemme check |
| 04:17 | im presenting at 1.30pm november 1st nz time | |
| 04:17 | so probably not | |
| 04:17 | Space_Librarian | I thought you were speaking on the 2nd |
| 04:17 | kmkale | so 2nd november rangi? |
| 04:17 | rangi | apparently not |
| 04:17 | http://www.conference.co.nz/li[…]ogramme/index_new | |
| 04:18 | * Space_Librarian | has days confused |
| 04:18 | rangi | yes that works |
| 04:18 | conference here finishes at 1pm nz time on the 2nd | |
| 04:18 | kmkale | hi Space_Librarian |
| 04:18 | rangi | so i can head back to the office |
| 04:18 | kmkale | Space_Librarian: are you coming? |
| 04:18 | Brooke | and it's in wellies :( |
| 04:18 | Space_Librarian | I'm speaking at the same conference rangi is |
| 04:18 | rangi | and do the presentation at 4.30 nz time |
| 04:18 | Brooke | clearly they needs move Lianza to like December. |
| 04:19 | Space_Librarian | so no, I'm not able to |
| 04:19 | kmkale | aww how can they dare intrude on Kohacon how can you let them? |
| 04:19 | Space_Librarian: would you like to do a remote presentation too? | |
| 04:19 | rangi pick yor time and date between 31st oct to 2nd nov | |
| 04:20 | * Space_Librarian | will think on the logistics |
| 04:20 | rangi | 2nd november 9.30 your time |
| 04:20 | kmkale | :) good news Mason just informed me that he has transfered some funds as sponsorship for Kohacon. Thanks Mason |
| 04:21 | Brooke | hooray |
| 04:21 | kmkale | cool rangi 1 hour? |
| 04:21 | rangi | hmm lets aim for shorter |
| 04:21 | cos if it goes wrong | |
| 04:21 | (and technology does a lot) | |
| 04:21 | then its not a big space to fill | |
| 04:23 | kmkale | ok tell me whats confortable for you |
| 04:23 | rangi | lets go 30 mins |
| 04:23 | kmkale | ok |
| 04:24 | great :) | |
| 04:24 | rangi | cos it will be hard to do questions etc |
| 04:24 | so just a 30 min presentation | |
| 04:24 | kmkale | hey no rangi |
| 04:24 | we can do questions etc | |
| 04:24 | jransom | 30 mins is quite long to talk |
| 04:24 | kmkale | we have adobe connect pro |
| 04:24 | or a polycom based hardware video conferencing | |
| 04:24 | rangi | i aint using no proprietary software ;-) |
| 04:24 | kmkale | take your pick |
| 04:25 | all you need is a browser with flash plugin | |
| 04:25 | which you have already :) | |
| 04:25 | jransom | and some decent broadband |
| 04:25 | rangi | gnash maybe :) |
| 04:25 | http://www.gnu.org/s/gnash/ | |
| 04:25 | something to test before at least :) | |
| 04:26 | kmkale | yeah |
| 04:26 | lets | |
| 04:26 | paulnz | maybe we could share video of our presentations at lianza for kohacon? |
| 04:26 | rangi | oh thats a good idea |
| 04:26 | paulnz | that way communtiy can see what we doing and see what the audience was like? |
| 04:27 | rangi | how about that kmkale |
| 04:27 | we are doing a workshop on koha | |
| 04:27 | kmkale | let that be a second slot |
| 04:27 | i want your face on a big screen ;) | |
| 04:27 | talking to us in virtual person at least | |
| 04:28 | paulnz | true - can't compete with rangi on jumbotron |
| 04:28 | rangi | heh |
| 04:29 | Brooke | I like Paul's idea |
| 04:29 | rangi | people better not yell they cant hear me, that was getting old |
| 04:29 | kmkale | :) |
| 04:29 | so take two slots | |
| 04:29 | may be paulnz can do the second one | |
| 04:29 | at some time that suites him | |
| 04:31 | rangi: if you can let me know the subject of your talk, I will create a placeholder abstract so that its easier when we do the scheduling | |
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| 04:32 | paulnz | kmkale - was thinking more of not realtime contribution |
| 04:33 | rangi | how about |
| 04:33 | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ma[…]s/html/index.html | |
| 04:33 | Brooke | yes |
| 04:33 | want it | |
| 04:33 | <3 it | |
| 04:34 | * Brooke | is thinking it's a matter of time before she bogarts part of that platform for American Indian stuff. |
| 04:34 | kmkale | sure paulnz you can still let me know the length of the video and url etc |
| 04:36 | ok rangi, i will create a slot | |
| 04:37 | jransom | ok folks i am closing this distraction down and going to write |
| 04:38 | Brooke | yeah, I'ma be a lazy kiwi and log before 5. |
| 04:39 | kmkale | paulnz: let me know so I can create one more slot |
| 04:39 | that plus the existing papers plus the panel discussions will fill up the schedule nicely i think | |
| 04:39 | let me make a rough schedule and send out on the lists for discussion ok? | |
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| 04:41 | * Oak | waves |
| 04:42 | kmkale | ok bbl |
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| 04:48 | paulnz | ok, will discuss with rangi once your rough schedule comes out |
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| 04:52 | paulnz | gotta go |
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| 06:01 | Judit1 | i have a question |
| 06:01 | all ready? here it comes | |
| 06:01 | marc framework | |
| 06:02 | i set the subfield to ignore, but it is still showing when i want to add a biblio | |
| 06:02 | yes i am using the correct framework | |
| 06:02 | 3.2 | |
| 06:04 | i even have some cases where i set the subfield to show, and itis not showing | |
| 06:10 | rangi | Judit1: is the server running memcached? |
| 06:10 | if so, give that a restart | |
| 06:10 | Judit1 | have no access to server |
| 06:11 | rangi | ah well ur out of luck if thats the problem then |
| 06:11 | if u add a new subfield | |
| 06:11 | does that show? | |
| 06:11 | if so, its not memcached | |
| 06:11 | * rangi | has to go now back after kids asleep |
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| 06:12 | Judit1 | thanks! |
| 06:13 | cait | morning #koha |
| 06:13 | Judit1 | morning |
| 06:23 | alex_a | hello #koha |
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| 06:28 | magnuse | morning #koha |
| 06:30 | cait | morning magnuse |
| 06:31 | magnuse | guten morgen cait |
| 06:32 | * magnuse | reads the log from the meeting and is impressed with all the europeans who attended... |
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| 06:42 | julian | hi #koha |
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| 06:43 | cait | morning julian |
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| 06:44 | magnuse | bonjour julian |
| 06:45 | julian | hello magnuse |
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| 07:02 | Ropuch^ | Morning #koha |
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| 07:07 | sophie_m | hello #koha |
| 07:10 | Judit1 | http://xkcd.com/349/ |
| 07:11 | magnuse | heh |
| 07:12 | Ropuch | ;> |
| 07:12 | Oak | :D |
| 07:13 | Judit1 | it also reminds me when my brother 'fixes' something |
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| 07:17 | kf | hi #koha |
| 07:17 | Oak | kf |
| 07:17 | kf | Oak |
| 07:26 | clrh | hello |
| 07:26 | wahanui1 | hello, clrh |
| 07:27 | Ropuch | hi kf [; |
| 07:28 | kf | morning Ropuch |
| 07:31 | :) | |
| 08:07 | davi | Morning |
| 08:07 | I was not able to attend last night meeting | |
| 08:07 | I am taking note for the next one, at September | |
| 08:10 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5872] Enhancements to circulation (see comment 23 for details) <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5872> |
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| 08:12 | paul_bed | hello again #koha |
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| 08:18 | kf | hi paul_p |
| 08:22 | Ropuch | I'm working on fresh 3.04.03 install, I have installed close to none samplke values and whilke trying to create new patron category I get The format you asked for ('') is unrecognized. at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/admin/categorie.pl line 103 |
| 08:23 | kf | ropuch: english templates? |
| 08:23 | paul_p | hi kf Could you get some more sleep ? |
| 08:24 | rangi | back |
| 08:24 | paul_p | (I could & arrive at office at almost 10) |
| 08:24 | hi back rangi | |
| 08:26 | Ropuch | kf: yup, english templates |
| 08:31 | And the koha-error.log looks like http://pastebin.com/KZE3Gx4L | |
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| 08:34 | paul_p | rangi, around ? |
| 08:34 | rangi | yup |
| 08:34 | paul_p | I try to add the "version" column to my search results, and get only the 5 first digits. So rel_3_0, rel_3_2, rel_... are all displayed as rel_3 |
| 08:35 | do you have a solution to display everything ? | |
| 08:35 | (what i'm looking is the last digit, unfortunatly !) | |
| 08:35 | kf | paul_p: I got some more, but not enough |
| 08:35 | paul_p | (murphy's law...) |
| 08:35 | rangi | you talking about bugzilla? |
| 08:36 | paul_p | sorry, yep, bugzilla |
| 08:37 | I tried to remove as many columns as possible, the "summary" space is growing, but not the version column :( | |
| 08:41 | rangi | looking now |
| 08:47 | try now | |
| 08:48 | bugzilla uses template toolkit, so i just edited the template | |
| 09:00 | paul_p | rangi++ |
| 09:00 | thanks a lot | |
| 09:01 | * paul_p | just discover the difference between "nomination" in english and "nomination" in french... |
| 09:01 | paul_p | in english = you apply to be elected. in french = you've been choosen |
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| 09:02 | paul_p | hi kmkale_a / kmkale ! |
| 09:02 | rangi | yep, quite different |
| 09:03 | paul_p | and I know understand why I was not understanding "nomination sep 22, vote oct IRC meeting" !!! |
| 09:04 | Ropuch | In polish 'nomination' has same meaning as in french |
| 09:05 | Good to know english 'nomination' is different [; | |
| 09:06 | rangi | normally someone nominates you |
| 09:06 | to stand for election | |
| 09:06 | in english | |
| 09:06 | Ropuch | < paul_p> in english = you apply to be elected - is it wrong, then |
| 09:07 | rangi | you can self nominate too |
| 09:07 | Ropuch | Oh, in that way |
| 09:07 | rangi | so it can kinda mean both in english, someone has chosen you, or youve chosen yourself :) |
| 09:08 | depending on context | |
| 09:09 | Ropuch | In polsih there's no such thing like 'self nomination' |
| 09:09 | Nominated means chosen by someone else | |
| 09:09 | Uh, I'm falling back to 3.02 | |
| 09:11 | rangi | must have missed something in the installer, we have quite a few clients running 3.4.x |
| 09:11 | who can all add categories | |
| 09:12 | when you go to add one, does it have a list of category types? | |
| 09:13 | Ropuch | It's not only categories, I've made a fresh one this time with sample categories etc, and after that I was unable to get the intranet login page due to "The format you asked for ('') is unrecognized. at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/NewsChannels.pm" |
| 09:13 | rangi | weird, ive never seen that |
| 09:14 | Ropuch | And it all starts with Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Templates.pm line 182. (and line 190) in koha-error.log |
| 09:15 | rangi | @languages = split ",", C4::Context->preference("language"); |
| 09:15 | Ropuch | Only thing I can think of is adding polsih translation before running web installer |
| 09:15 | rangi | yep |
| 09:15 | ahh i thought you hadnt done that | |
| 09:15 | i suspect the polish sysprefs file then | |
| 09:16 | Ropuch | I'll look into it then |
| 09:16 | rangi | looks like maybe the language syspref doesnt exist? |
| 09:19 | Ropuch | I switched sysprefs.sql in pl-PL direcotry with english one |
| 09:19 | Let's see | |
| 09:20 | rangi | does it give you a line number of /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/NewsChannels.pm ? |
| 09:20 | Ropuch | It was 156 |
| 09:21 | rangi | ta |
| 09:21 | Ropuch | Let me set up new koha without polish language selcted in installer |
| 09:22 | rangi | $row->{newdate} = format_date($row->{newdate}); |
| 09:22 | i wonder if the date format is the issue/ | |
| 09:25 | what value is set for dateformat in the polish sysprefs? | |
| 09:25 | * rangi | looks |
| 09:26 | rangi | hmm that looks ok, set to us by default |
| 09:26 | i wonder why it thinks its '' | |
| 09:27 | Ropuch | Polish sysprefs looks like it hasn't been translated actually ;> |
| 09:27 | rangi | it doesnt need to be |
| 09:27 | Ropuch | Ok, after selecting en in 1 step of wen installer everything lokks ok |
| 09:27 | rangi | because its the .pref files that actually matter |
| 09:28 | Ropuch | I mean adding patron category |
| 09:28 | rangi | soon, after magnuse fixes it :) |
| 09:28 | we wont have separate language files for sysprefs | |
| 09:28 | because we only need one, since the translations for them are done with .po and .pref files now | |
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| 09:28 | rangi | its just the installer that needs a separate one |
| 09:29 | Ropuch: if you have time, can you do one with polish, and hten just have a look in the db .. check the table is ok? | |
| 09:29 | if you dont, thats fine, ill try to do it sometime tomorrow | |
| 09:30 | Ropuch | rangi: I'll try to investigate it [; |
| 09:30 | rangi | thank you |
| 09:31 | Ropuch | I don't mind englsih intranet, but I'm trying to set up a demo installation for my friend and I'm sure english marc21 form will scare her ;> |
| 09:32 | Huh, I'm making lots of typos today, guess it's time for coffee | |
| 09:32 | Judit | rangi is there anyone responsible for translations of koha? who i can ask like 1000questions |
| 09:33 | magnuse | huh? ah yes, i'll try to get the sysprefs thing done this weekend. but it will break older patches that add/edit sysprefs... |
| 09:33 | rangi | Judit: fredericd is translation manager |
| 09:34 | magnuse: no hurry | |
| 09:35 | * magnuse | would like to get it out of the way... |
| 09:35 | rangi | *nod* |
| 09:36 | Ropuch | Huh, that's strange |
| 09:36 | I think I'll reinstall once again with pl and all sample data selected | |
| 09:46 | rangi | http://www.libraryjournal.com/[…]urce_ils.html.csp |
| 09:47 | nice writeup | |
| 09:51 | Ropuch | Ow, managed to 4 errors in pl installer files, now I need to learn git once more and submit a patch for it ;> |
| 09:52 | rangi | :) |
| 09:53 | kf | Judit: fredericd is translation manager, but you can ask on channel too |
| 09:53 | there is also a mailing list - koha-translate | |
| 09:54 | Judit | i know the mailing list thanks |
| 09:54 | kf | and nominieren in German means suggest someone |
| 09:54 | so it's the same as english | |
| 09:55 | Judit | i just dont know how to start |
| 09:55 | kf | which langauge do you want to work on? |
| 09:55 | Judit | hungarian- i dont speak any other |
| 09:55 | unfortunately | |
| 09:55 | wahanui1 | hmmm... unfortunately is is also 11:23pm on Friday where danmc is too ;) |
| 09:56 | kf | is hungarian already available on pootle? |
| 09:56 | ah,I see it is | |
| 09:56 | what I would do | |
| 09:56 | Judit | it is, but i would prefer to start with terminology |
| 09:56 | kf | ignore 3.2, start working on 3.4 |
| 09:56 | terminology is not used in koha | |
| 09:56 | Judit | a |
| 09:56 | well | |
| 09:57 | i guess i should start woth 3.4 then :) | |
| 09:57 | kf | and opac is a good way to start |
| 09:58 | Judit | the problem is that i am not librarian, so i dont know the terminology |
| 09:58 | kf | it's small compared to intranet |
| 09:58 | Judit | okay |
| 09:58 | kf | and not so librarian specific - because you want users to understand it :) |
| 09:58 | Judit | how do you start with opac |
| 09:58 | kf | http://translate.koha-communit[…]000.po/translate/ |
| 09:59 | start at the beginning and work towards the end | |
| 09:59 | if you choose 'Quick translate' on the trsnalte page it will bring you to where you have stopped translating | |
| 09:59 | Judit | that makes sense:) |
| 10:00 | kf | some things are code or placeholders like %s |
| 10:00 | copy them over | |
| 10:00 | translate only the words | |
| 10:00 | Judit | oky |
| 10:00 | any other suggestions are welcome | |
| 10:00 | kf | there are some things form the xslt files that look quite cryptic, when in doubt copy |
| 10:00 | you can correct later | |
| 10:00 | when you see it in context | |
| 10:01 | Judit | that i wanted to ask |
| 10:01 | how do i see it in context? | |
| 10:01 | would be easier if i see it too | |
| 10:04 | kf | thre is no way currently :( |
| 10:04 | Judit | oh |
| 10:04 | kf | you can sometimes see the files where it's coming from and guess |
| 10:04 | Judit | :) |
| 10:04 | any other advice? | |
| 10:04 | kf | opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/compact.xsl:32 - xslt file - cryptic, copy over |
| 10:05 | hm | |
| 10:06 | no | |
| 10:06 | no other advice for now :) | |
| 10:06 | Judit | for now:) |
| 10:06 | kf | before you start the syspref file, check how it's done for other languages |
| 10:06 | there are some things that are good to know before starting | |
| 10:06 | Judit | such as.. |
| 10:07 | kf | http://translate.koha-communit[…]late/?unit=569743 |
| 10:07 | for example: acquisitions.pref#AcqCreateItem# cataloging the record. | |
| 10:07 | you only translate cataloging the record | |
| 10:07 | and don't copy the acquisitions.pref... part | |
| 10:07 | Judit | i see |
| 10:08 | kf | so if you know that, it's easy |
| 10:08 | but if you don't it will look a bit strange in the end :) | |
| 10:08 | ok, lunch time - will be back later | |
| 10:08 | Judit | bedtime for me |
| 10:08 | bon apetite | |
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| 10:17 | Ropuch | kf_lunch: you can set up localize to use links in .po files and shows a translated text in context with just one click [; |
| 10:26 | paul_p | @later tell oleonard owen, you should change your appearance on chorewars = you've choosen the same as Magnus, and really, Magnus look like this ! really ! |
| 10:26 | huginn` | paul_p: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:26 | magnuse | Ropuch: that sounds interesting, is it documented somewhere? |
| 10:27 | paul_p | @later tell oleonard (kidding ;-) ) |
| 10:27 | huginn` | paul_p: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:27 | magnuse | paul_p: :-) |
| 10:29 | Ropuch | magnuse: hm, I'm back to koha after quite long time, let me dig it ;?> |
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| 10:36 | Ropuch | magnuse: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l1[…]scripts/lokalize/ - it's opensrc script |
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| 10:37 | druthb | O/ |
| 10:38 | magnuse | \o |
| 10:38 | paul_p | hi druthb. Good morning |
| 10:38 | kf_lunch | hi druthb |
| 10:38 | magnuse | Ropuch: looks interesting! |
| 10:38 | druthb | Hi, paul! Hi kf! |
| 10:38 | Ropuch | I remeber having small script to just open new tab in geany with highlighted line after click in link in lokalize |
| 10:39 | Like 5 lines of python code | |
| 10:40 | kf_lunch | Ropuch: you should put that on the wiki :) |
| 10:40 | magnuse | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/Translating_Koha might be a good place for it |
| 10:40 | Ropuch | I guess I will, since I;m back on the koha road ;> |
| 10:40 | magnuse | yay! |
| 10:41 | Ropuch | Just need to re-learn few thing myself [; |
| 10:41 | kf_lunch | we are here to help :) |
| 10:42 | rangi | http://userbase.kde.org/Lokalize |
| 10:44 | Ropuch | I don't even remeber why I switched from gtranslator to Lokalize |
| 10:45 | rangi: the problem was within sysprefs.sql in pl-PL installer directory, after replacing it with english one all is working fine | |
| 10:45 | rangi | yay, i was on the right track :) |
| 10:46 | kf_lunch | now you get xp for helping on irc ;) |
| 10:46 | rangi | heh |
| 10:47 | Ropuch | rangi: yup, just from the start |
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| 11:14 | paul_p_ | laptop freezed during lunch. Nothing seen since 12:47 on #koha |
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| 11:18 | Ropuch | There was something like 'simple aquisition' mode in previous koha, is it still here? |
| 11:19 | kf_lunch | hm I doubt it |
| 11:20 | but not sure, I never used it | |
| 11:20 | rangi | nope its gone |
| 11:20 | Ropuch | Me neither [; |
| 11:20 | rangi | you can achieve the same, with a acquisitions framework |
| 11:21 | that is edited to get rid of all the marc numbers, and remove a lot of fields | |
| 11:22 | hmm i should sleep | |
| 11:22 | night all | |
| 11:23 | magnuse | night rangi |
| 11:23 | kf_lunch | night rangi |
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| 11:24 | druthb | :) |
| 11:24 | magnuse | \o |
| 11:24 | Oak | hello druthb :) |
| 11:24 | magnuse | |
| 11:24 | magnuse | Oak |
| 11:24 | Agent_Dani | Hi druthb |
| 11:24 | druthb | Hi, magnuse and Oak and Agent_Dani! |
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| 11:42 | * magnuse | agrees with stephen fry http://twitter.com/#!/stephenf[…]811906560/photo/1 ;-) |
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| 12:07 | oleonard | It has been far too few hours since I was here last. |
| 12:08 | * kf_lunch | hands oleonard a cookie |
| 12:10 | paul_p | hi oleonard |
| 12:11 | * paul_p | went back to bed after the irc meeting, was really good to go to bed twice in the same night ;-) |
| 12:11 | magnuse | heh |
| 12:12 | kf_lunch | next 2 meetings will be better |
| 12:13 | oleonard | paul_p: That's nothing. Sometimes my kids help me got to bed three or four times in the same night! |
| 12:13 | paul_p | lol, i'm ahead from this now ( /me feels old suddenly) |
| 12:14 | in fact, it's not true : now, our 1st son awake us at 2AM or 4AM, when he does too much noise when going to bed after a late xbox game... | |
| 12:15 | (Simon is now 16... we have teenagers parents problems now ;-) ) | |
| 12:15 | oleonard | Ah, something I have to look forward to :) |
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| 12:56 | paul_p | oleonard, my suggestion = never accept a xbox or a ps3 in your home (a wii is OK, the games are sightly different). Since there's a xbox at home, Simon want only playing with it. We made an epic fail with the xbox :\ |
| 12:56 | (it was my idea, shame on me...) | |
| 12:57 | (was expecting our 2 first sons to play together. But they never do :((( ) | |
| 12:59 | oleonard | paul_p: We got an xbox so that we could play Kinect games |
| 13:00 | By the time my son is old enough to play shooters it'll probably be too antiquated for his tastes | |
| 13:00 | paul_p | probably true. |
| 13:01 | Call_of_duty-- = Nightmare_for_parents | |
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| 13:18 | oleonard | This "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value" problem is out of hand. Second email to the Koha list in as many days with the same problem. |
| 13:20 | tcohen | oleonard, do u need someone wo work on error catching? |
| 13:20 | s/wo/to/ | |
| 13:28 | oleonard | It sounds to me like someone ought to. But I don't know the cause of it myself. |
| 13:28 | kf_lunch | this is one of the error messages that keep occuring |
| 13:28 | I have seen that myself, but not sure what the reasons were :( | |
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| 13:36 | tcohen | that error raises when MARC::Record has problems with a record |
| 13:37 | oleonard | There must be a reason why this is coming up so frequently now. What has changed? |
| 13:37 | tcohen | in a script I published some time ago I used a pattern for treating those errors |
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| 13:44 | tcohen | oleonard: some change in the templates that makes the browser introduce ISO characters instead of UTF(? |
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| 13:49 | libsysguy | morning #Koha |
| 13:57 | magnuse | morning libsysguy |
| 13:59 | libsysguy | Hi magnuse :D |
| 14:13 | seen sekjal | |
| 14:13 | wahanui1 | sekjal was last seen on #koha 17 hours, 31 minutes and 52 seconds ago, saying: I'm planning on it [Mon Aug 1 20:41:46 2011] |
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| 14:59 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4376] A minor change in the “GetMarcAuthors” function of C4/Biblio.pm would allow differentiate the type of authors in the templates <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4376> |
| 15:05 | libsysguy | does anybody know if it would be possible to move 050a into 952o for only a certain item type? |
| 15:05 | i've never done a Marc based sql query | |
| 15:06 | jcamins_away | libsysguy: I'd use MarcEdit. |
| 15:06 | libsysguy | well that is what i said |
| 15:06 | but we'd have to export all of the records that are electronic | |
| 15:07 | then re-import right? | |
| 15:07 | jcamins_away | Yes. |
| 15:07 | libsysguy | ok |
| 15:08 | jcamins_away | Personally, there is *no* circumstance, in which I would do a bulk edit of marc records using SQL. |
| 15:08 | Write a Perl script to do it if you don't want to export. | |
| 15:08 | libsysguy | gotcha |
| 15:10 | * druthb | fears what libsysguy is doing to his poor data. |
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| 15:26 | kmkale | heya druthb |
| 15:26 | how are you? | |
| 15:27 | druthb | I'm great, kmkale! |
| 15:27 | kmkale | back to the grind? |
| 15:27 | druthb | getting there. ramping back up. |
| 15:27 | kmkale | good to hear that :) |
| 15:28 | druthb | I missed it horribly; I love what I do, a lot. |
| 15:29 | * druthb | runs off for a lunchtime nap. |
| 15:31 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4221] defaultSortField & OPACdefaultSortField non functioning <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4221> |
| 15:31 | paul_p | oleonard, on my way to rebase 5872 |
| 15:37 | oleonard, rebased & resubmitted, you can try again ;-) | |
| 15:37 | oleonard | Thanks paul_p |
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| 15:41 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5872] Enhancements to circulation (see comment 23 for details) <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5872> |
| 15:46 | oleonard | paul_p: What is .gitmodules? |
| 15:46 | paul_p | oleonard, it's a link to automatically retrieve the jquery extension used in smart-rules |
| 15:47 | better than having the plugin embedeed = if a new version is provided, we will just have to update the .gitmodule, and it will be updated | |
| 15:47 | oleonard | Wasn't there a disagreement about whether it was appropriate to use that mechanism? |
| 15:48 | paul_p | oleonard, there was a discussion between chris & hdl, it was mainly on distributing the releases, but it's not a problem : on your computer you've the code, not the .gitmodule link |
| 15:48 | so you'll distribute the tar.gz exactly as you do today | |
| 15:48 | in fact, I think it's so handy that we should use this for all of jquery sources ! | |
| 15:49 | (but that's another question) | |
| 15:50 | oleonard | I see you've gone ahead and added jqueryUI as a dependency |
| 16:03 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5312] XHTML correction in authority summary <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5312> |
| 16:03 | oleonard | paul_p: Is there some other step I need to take after applying the patch to get the jeditable plugin? |
| 16:03 | I'm looking at the page and the files are not found. | |
| 16:06 | paul_p | oleonard, look at comment 23 = git submodule update --init |
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| 16:13 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 2809] Some search problems <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2809> |
| 16:27 | paul_p | ok, time to go back home. I'm tired. read & did something on more than 80 bugs today... |
| 16:28 | see you tomorrow morning guys | |
| 16:28 | (& ladies) | |
| 16:29 | cait | bye paul |
| 16:29 | following your path through bugzilla right now | |
| 16:29 | :) | |
| 16:30 | paul_p | bye cait. Feel free to work on 5872 too ! |
| 16:30 | cait | the problem I didn#t start on tha tis language |
| 16:31 | ah | |
| 16:31 | confused bugs | |
| 16:31 | travelling for a workshop and presentation tomorrow | |
| 16:31 | after that I hope to have more time | |
| 16:31 | * paul_p | now level 5 enchanter... I suspect chris adds too much CHA and INT, i'm already 18 in both ;-) |
| 16:31 | cait | have to finish up my slides and notes |
| 16:32 | paul_p: I think it needs to be rebased now :( | |
| 16:32 | paul_p | cait, the 5872 ? just rebased it 10mn ago ! |
| 16:32 | cait | and you did no follow up but adding to the patch, so I have to create a new branch |
| 16:32 | ah | |
| 16:32 | sorry | |
| 16:32 | I only saw owen's message | |
| 16:32 | paul_p | git checkout YOURBRANCH |
| 16:33 | git reset --hard HEAD~1 | |
| 16:33 | cait | I know that |
| 16:33 | paul_p | git am -3 NEWPATCH |
| 16:33 | (no need to create a new branch every time) | |
| 16:33 | cait | although I will do it using git bz ;) |
| 16:33 | I meant redoing the first patch and adding the new | |
| 16:33 | paul_p | I love BZ. I see a bee everytime I read bz ... (because french bees do bzzzzz you know ;-) ) |
| 16:34 | cait | lol |
| 16:34 | not sure how german bees do | |
| 16:34 | bssssss perhaps | |
| 16:35 | libsysguy | american bees are too fat to make noise |
| 16:37 | cait | lol |
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| 17:32 | sekjal | does anyone have a second to give a third set of eyes to bug 6634? I'd like a non-ByWater opinion before pushing it through QA |
| 17:32 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6634 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , manager_id not populated when paying fines |
| 17:37 | kmkale | good night |
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| 18:47 | oleonard | rangi awake yet? |
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| 18:50 | oleonard | I'm seeing this construction in several places in the templates: |
| 18:50 | [% DEFAULT ORDER_LOO.ordervalue="" %] | |
| 18:50 | As far as I can tell that is wrong. Should be: | |
| 18:50 | [% ORDER_LOO.ordervalue or "" %] ? | |
| 18:50 | Although that's a bad example, because a default "" is dumb. | |
| 18:57 | * oleonard | can't concentrate with all the crunching! |
| 18:59 | bg | this will cheer you up.. |
| 18:59 | @wunder 99801 | |
| 18:59 | huginn` | bg: The current temperature in West Juneau, Juneau, Alaska is 12.9°C (10:53 AM AKDT on August 02, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:03 | jwagner | @wunder 20740 |
| 19:03 | huginn` | jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 34.2°C (3:03 PM EDT on August 02, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007.3 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:07 | cait | crunching? |
| 19:07 | * oleonard | is listening to talljoy_crunchingdata |
| 19:08 | cait | oh :) |
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| 19:17 | rhcl_away | I'm listening to Little China Girl (Davie Bowie). Sounds really good on my Ubuntu netbook w/ Banshee (earphones). No crunching here. |
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| 19:34 | talljoy_crunchingdata | tasty data.... |
| 19:38 | rangi | morning |
| 19:38 | druthb | hi, rangi! |
| 19:39 | rangi | heya ruth, first day of freedom? |
| 19:40 | druthb | yes! We left Philadelphia yesterday. I'm loving it out here in the Amish country |
| 19:44 | rangi | awesome |
| 19:44 | you going to go see gettysburg? | |
| 19:44 | if u haven't already | |
| 19:44 | druthb | There's a farm across the fence from us, where we've watched a Mennonite man pulling some sort of ancient gasoline-powered implement behind two horses all day.. :) |
| 19:44 | rangi | I found that a pretty amazing place to visit |
| 19:45 | cool :) | |
| 19:46 | druthb | we're a little farther east than that, near Lancaster. We'd like to see Hershey while we're here. |
| 19:46 | talljoy_crunchingdata | mmmmm chocolate |
| 19:47 | rangi | ah yep been to both lancaster and hershey too |
| 19:47 | the McDonald university is near there somewhere | |
| 19:47 | druthb | yup |
| 19:47 | rangi | and the crayola factory |
| 19:48 | iirc | |
| 19:48 | talljoy_crunchingdata | like heaven for kids. |
| 19:48 | coloring, chocolate, crappy food | |
| 19:48 | rangi | or 26 year olds |
| 19:48 | thats when I was there | |
| 19:49 | hmm 25 even | |
| 19:49 | 13 years ago | |
| 19:50 | sekjal | hershey is kinda creepy... very Utopian |
| 19:56 | oleonard | rangi: Did you see my question above about template variable default values? |
| 19:56 | rangi | nope |
| 19:56 | ill look soon | |
| 19:57 | my bus stop | |
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| 20:21 | * cait | waves |
| 20:21 | rangi | http://joblist.ala.org/modules[…]fm?rssjobid=17679#.TjgVE827Cho.twitter |
| 20:21 | talljoy_crunchingdata: ^^ :) | |
| 20:21 | this makes me giggle "Must be proficient in MS Office Suite and have programming skills associated with Koha system: | |
| 20:22 | oleonard | I was just about to say the same thing :) |
| 20:23 | * druthb | loox innocent; she didn't have *anything* to do with that sudden vacancy at Amigos, no ma'am.... |
| 20:23 | oleonard | OMG, druthb disappeared someone just for crossing her! |
| 20:24 | talljoy_crunchingdata | rangi: that job sounds so familiar......... |
| 20:24 | why is that......... | |
| 20:24 | gmcharlt | talljoy_crunchingdata: indeed, just seems to ring a bell |
| 20:24 | druthb | oleonard: better--I brought her all the way into the community, where her brilliance can be appreciated by...erm...people who will appreciate her. |
| 20:25 | rangi | and who specifically ask her not to use MS Office :) |
| 20:25 | oleonard | Recursive druthb is recursive. |
| 20:25 | talljoy_crunchingdata | lol....was just saying... |
| 20:25 | * druthb | thinks that she and talljoy fit together like peanut butter n jelly. :) |
| 20:26 | oleonard | rangi: I'm seeing this construction in several places in the templates: |
| 20:26 | [% DEFAULT ORDER_LOO.ordervalue="" %] | |
| 20:26 | As far as I can tell that is wrong. Should be: | |
| 20:26 | wahanui1 | i already had it that way, oleonard. |
| 20:26 | oleonard | [% ORDER_LOO.ordervalue or "" %] ? |
| 20:27 | Although that's a bad example, because a default "" is dumb. | |
| 20:27 | rangi | im prepared to believe that |
| 20:28 | oleonard | :| |
| 20:28 | rangi | i can script sed to do a mass change |
| 20:29 | if you want to try a couple and make sure it does work the way you think it should | |
| 20:29 | oleonard | I've got a patch ready for testing, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something |
| 20:29 | rangi | dont think so |
| 20:30 | anyone ever heard of ZING as a library related standard? | |
| 20:30 | oleonard | It should fix Bug 6640 |
| 20:30 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6640 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , locations not showing in circ reports |
| 20:31 | druthb | I've heard the term, rangi. was bandied around as a next-generation z39.50 implementation, but I don't know if it ever got past the study phase. |
| 20:32 | * oleonard | is off |
| 20:32 | rangi | cool, ill just say no, we dont support i |
| 20:37 | libsysguy | sekjal: you around? |
| 20:37 | sekjal | libsysguy: for a little while longer |
| 20:38 | libsysguy | can i ask you about my patch that you have implemented in a couple of places |
| 20:38 | sekjal | sure |
| 20:38 | libsysguy | you said you had some changes to merge with it? |
| 20:38 | i didn't see anything in the ticket | |
| 20:39 | sekjal | yes, I've not gotten to updating the ticket yet |
| 20:39 | the gist: the Location line is showing if there are no copies available, so in that case it's always blank | |
| 20:39 | libsysguy | right |
| 20:39 | nengard was talking about that | |
| 20:40 | ...it was a bug prior to my ticket | |
| 20:40 | sekjal | and, locations aren't really needed for Checked out, Lost, Withdrawn, Damaged, On Hold or In Transit items |
| 20:40 | libsysguy | but the call number is in the location |
| 20:40 | and in that ticket i think it said they wanted to show the call number regardless of status | |
| 20:41 | sekjal | hmmm. the library that's using it found that seeing the same shelving location/callnumber combo for both checked in and checked out items looked "bad" to them |
| 20:41 | libsysguy | maybe i didn't have an example of that |
| 20:42 | how can an item be checked in and checked out? | |
| 20:42 | sekjal | in this case, one volume was checked out, and 4 were checked in, but they all had the same callnumber and location |
| 20:43 | libsysguy | ahh so since there was one checked out it showed them all as checked out? |
| 20:43 | sekjal | so the location + callnumber was repeated twice, once in green and once in red |
| 20:43 | libsysguy | right |
| 20:43 | hmm | |
| 20:43 | so anyway...you patched that? | |
| 20:43 | sekjal | I think the trick is to XSLT-key on callnumber+location, instead of status |
| 20:44 | libsysguy | XSLT is a tricky one |
| 20:44 | but i don't want to tinker with it if you've already got a working patch | |
| 20:45 | sekjal | <xsl:key name="item-by-callnumber-and-location" match="items:item" use="concat(items:callnumber, ' ', items.location)"/> |
| 20:45 | I think | |
| 20:45 | my patch doesn't meet all their needs | |
| 20:45 | it was sort of 'halfway' | |
| 20:45 | libsysguy | gotcha |
| 20:46 | so you're going to hold off on what I have until you have a chance to look at it | |
| 20:46 | i was jw because i accidentally deleted my changes and was just going to snag them from master | |
| 20:46 | but i wanted to have them in place before we launch on the 15th | |
| 20:47 | but i can just go back and snag them as a patch and apply them | |
| 20:47 | sekjal | right |
| 20:47 | at this point, I say pull the patches from Bugzilla as they are, and use them from there | |
| 20:47 | libsysguy | ok |
| 20:47 | thanks sekjal | |
| 20:47 | sekjal | I plan on spending some time testing this xsl:key theory and seeing if it can be made to do the things my testing library expects |
| 20:48 | libsysguy | ok cool |
| 20:48 | bg | rangi? |
| 20:48 | wahanui1 | I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! |
| 20:49 | libsysguy | ^^ that never gets old |
| 20:50 | rangi | @quote get 146 |
| 20:50 | huginn` | rangi: Quote #146: "rangi: when I was at brendans house we went to the farmers market and bought lots of almonds which I had to eat on the plane, cos can't bringthem into nz, so I was offering ppl nuts on the plane. cait: makes sense rangi: if its sensible for a crazy nzer to be waving almonds in ur face at 3am, then yes" (added by wizzyrea at 08:03 PM, July 28, 2011) |
| 20:51 | bg | that and NateC? |
| 20:51 | druthb | talljoy? |
| 20:51 | wahanui1 | I CRUNCH DATA |
| 20:51 | bg | NateC? |
| 20:51 | wahanui1 | I LIKE SPACE! |
| 20:51 | bg | I love those two |
| 20:51 | oh wow - know it's three that I LIKE | |
| 20:52 | talljoy? | |
| 20:52 | wahanui1 | I CRUNCH DATA |
| 20:52 | bg | brilliant |
| 20:52 | * druthb | is almost afraid to ask... |
| 20:52 | druthb | druthb? |
| 20:52 | be durned. it doesn't know anything. | |
| 20:52 | bg | bg? |
| 20:53 | YAY! | |
| 20:53 | rangi | bg? |
| 20:53 | wahanui1 | I LIKE BREAKFAST BURRITOS |
| 20:53 | bg | heh |
| 20:53 | nice... | |
| 20:53 | it should be I LIKE BASEBALL | |
| 20:53 | ;) | |
| 20:54 | rangi | or LOVE BASEBALL |
| 20:54 | bg | nice |
| 20:54 | * druthb | rolls her eyes at bg |
| 20:54 | rangi | bg? |
| 20:54 | wahanui1 | I LIKE BREAKFAST BURRITOS AND I LOVE BASEBALL |
| 20:54 | bg | heh |
| 20:54 | rangi | done |
| 20:54 | bg | sweet - happy with that |
| 20:54 | :) | |
| 20:55 | sekjal | okay, goodnight you silly, silly Koha people... :) |
| 20:56 | rangi | libsysguy: http://soundcloud.com/playmere[…]ubstep-believe-it |
| 20:56 | (rfp response writing music) | |
| 20:57 | libsysguy | rangi: you never fail with the awesome dubstep music |
| 20:57 | * libsysguy | needs some git conflict resolving music |
| 20:58 | rangi | oh i have something for that |
| 20:58 | http://soundcloud.com/mustard-[…]dont-stop-mustard | |
| 20:59 | libsysguy | soundcloud never lets me stram |
| 21:00 | oh wait | |
| 21:00 | i got it :D | |
| 21:00 | let the conflict resolving begin | |
| 21:11 | cait | druthb? |
| 21:11 | hm | |
| 21:11 | libsysguy? | |
| 21:12 | druthb | yes? |
| 21:12 | jcamins_away | rangi: when's the string freeze for 3.6? |
| 21:13 | rangi | 2 weeks out from the 22nd |
| 21:13 | of oct | |
| 21:13 | jcamins_away | Thanks. |
| 21:13 | cait | oh so soon |
| 21:13 | rangi | feature freeze sept 22 |
| 21:13 | cait | time flies :( |
| 21:13 | rangi | yup |
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| 21:40 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 21:40 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.9°C (11:40 PM CEST on August 02, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling). |
| 21:45 | bg | @wunder 93109 |
| 21:45 | huginn` | bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 27.0°C (2:44 PM PDT on August 02, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Falling). |
| 21:46 | cait | bg? |
| 21:46 | wahanui1 | I LIKE BREAKFAST BURRITOS AND I LOVE BASEBALL |
| 21:46 | bg | hhe |
| 21:46 | heh | |
| 21:46 | cait? | |
| 21:46 | wahanui1 | cait is kf or a programmer or really sweet or a source of great chocolate or the purveyor of an infinite supply of virtual cookies or not sure we need the page(s)... but that might just be me |
| 21:46 | cait | no capitals so far |
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| 21:59 | libsysguy | so i was trying to apply bug 5079 but after i resolve the conflict i can't see the correct changes |
| 21:59 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5079 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tdavis, ASSIGNED , Make display of shelving location and call number in XSLT results controlled by sysprefs |
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| 22:05 | libsysguy | i think it is because there is an update in updatedatabase.pl |
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| 22:10 | cait | good night all |
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| 22:18 | phlunk3 | hi guys, after upgrade of version we went from creating labels for patrons and items in the same system to a split system, however templates from the old install were only carried over to patron card creation, can someone tell me the method for copying these templates over to the item card creator? |
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| 22:41 | mtj | phlunk3: $ mysqldump my_table > foo.sql |
| 22:41 | $ mysql my-new-koha < foo.sql | |
| 22:41 | something easy like that...? | |
| 22:42 | phlunk3 | haha nah :) its not a prob anyway the guy who asked me is looking into it. They just don't know how to create labels or so. |
| 22:43 | mtj | dump out creator_* tables, then load them into yr new db |
| 22:43 | ah, thats a diff. situ completley | |
| 22:51 | rangi | phlunk3: what i suggest |
| 22:51 | get them to download the manual as pdf | |
| 22:51 | cos then you can search over it easy | |
| 22:53 | phlunk3 | yeah I found out they hadn't read the manual after asking u guys ;) thats why I said he's looking into it now haha |
| 22:56 | rangi | :) |
| 22:57 | phlunk3 | also, an existing template for "labels" no longer works properly, these are meant to have to be updated with the new version or is it a possible bug/human error (they changed it and claimed they didn't) |
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| 23:46 | nengard | hello all |
| 23:46 | i just found a new (to me) feature in Koha | |
| 23:46 | where you can subscribe via email to know when a new serial is added to the catalog | |
| 23:46 | has anyone tested this? | |
| 23:46 | if so can you give me info on this so I can write it up for the manual? | |
| 23:47 | mtj | phlunk3: pass.. search for a bug in bugzilla - if not, log a bug |
| 23:47 | nengard: not sure on that one, sorry :/ | |
| 23:48 | nengard | no prob mtj, just hoping someone out there has tested :) my test system doesn't have email enabled so I can't test it to write up what it does |
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