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| 00:24 | druthb | o/ |
| 00:32 | pianohacker | bbl |
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| 00:42 | glernil | good day! |
| 00:58 | reaffirmed Bug 2708 | |
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| 02:22 | library_systems_guy262 | does anybody know the page for integrating koha with drupal |
| 02:23 | i know nengard showed it to us during the demo that she did | |
| 02:24 | rangi | its in the manual |
| 02:24 | 2 secs | |
| 02:24 | library_systems_guy262 | i just googled it real quick but i didn't get a first page return...i think that makes me a lazy googler |
| 02:25 | rangi | http://koha-community.org/docu[…]manual/?ch=x13383 |
| 02:25 | library_systems_guy262 | thanks rangi, you're the man |
| 02:26 | rangi | no guarantees its will work :) but worth a try :) |
| 02:27 | library_systems_guy262 | i hope it does, i spent the better part of a moving our old site to drupal |
| 02:27 | week* | |
| 02:30 | rangi, do you know of anybody in particular that has pulled this off? | |
| 02:32 | rangi | biblibre have |
| 02:43 | bg | evening |
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| 02:46 | Brooke | kai ora |
| 02:46 | eep | |
| 02:46 | kia ora even | |
| 02:48 | rangi | heya bg and Brooke |
| 02:48 | Brooke | o/ |
| 02:49 | Space_Librarian | tena koe Brooke |
| 02:49 | rangi | heres my random find of the day |
| 02:49 | http://www.gutenberg.org/files[…]551-h/19551-h.htm | |
| 02:49 | ALICE'S ADVENTURES IN WONDERLAND | |
| 02:49 | RETOLD IN WORDS OF ONE SYLLABLE | |
| 02:50 | Space_Librarian | O.o |
| 02:50 | Brooke | tee hee |
| 02:50 | rangi | the things you find when you are setting up for a demo |
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| 03:11 | eythian | http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/txt/al.html <-- rangi |
| 03:12 | sijobl | hyphenation seems like cheating |
| 03:13 | rangi | heh |
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| 03:17 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 03:19 | indradg | folks, with 3.2.7 is it possible to add a confirmation (for circulation staff) before they checkout items? |
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| 03:23 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 03:23 | AmitG | heya chris, brooke |
| 03:23 | bg | hi AmitG |
| 03:24 | * Brooke | is toying with the idea of an adopt a firang programme. |
| 03:24 | indradg | Brooke, whats that? |
| 03:24 | AmitG | heya Bg, indradg |
| 03:25 | Brooke | it's a scam to get me to sites I want to see. :P |
| 03:25 | indradg | AmitG, morning |
| 03:25 | lol | |
| 03:28 | Brooke | अशोक is in the mail. Or possibly here. |
| 03:28 | * Brooke | isn't sure whether it got stuck behind scandalous Tudors smut or no. |
| 03:30 | Brooke | ah ha! Totally here, along with the smut. Eggsellent. |
| 03:30 | * Brooke | knows what she's doin' tomorrow. |
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| 04:20 | Oak | \o |
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| 04:56 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 04:57 | eythian | good evening |
| 04:58 | AmitG | heya cait |
| 04:58 | cait | hi eythian and AmitG :) |
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| 05:30 | druthb | Kia ora. |
| 05:31 | Oak | hiya druthb :) |
| 05:32 | cait | hi Oak |
| 05:32 | go to bed druthb! | |
| 05:32 | druthb | hehehe.. |
| 05:33 | Oak | Hello cait |
| 05:34 | bg | yup druthb go to bed :) |
| 05:34 | cait | listen to your boss! |
| 05:36 | druthb | hmpf on the both of ya. |
| 05:36 | bg++ #whether he wants it or not--BEST BOSS EVAR | |
| 05:36 | bg | heh |
| 05:36 | druthb | cait++ #bestest friend evar |
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| 05:56 | Ropuch | Morning #koha |
| 05:57 | cait | hi Ropuch :) |
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| 06:27 | alex_a | bonjour #koha |
| 06:28 | cait | hi alex_a :) |
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| 06:34 | cait | bonjour hdl |
| 06:34 | hdl | bonjour cait |
| 06:34 | cait | biab |
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| 06:35 | alex_a | hi cait :) |
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| 07:20 | rangi | evening |
| 07:28 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 253 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 07:31 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Improve error message when translation installation fails <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]61010bf85e3116c5b> |
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| 07:39 | kf | hi #koha |
| 07:40 | druthb | hi, kf. :D |
| 07:41 | * kf | ignores druthb |
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| 07:41 | kf | she can not be real, because druthb must be sleeping |
| 07:42 | * druthb | is a well-defined figment of your imagination. |
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| 08:03 | kf | druthb? |
| 08:04 | druthb | kf? |
| 08:04 | wahanui | kf is cait or really, really sweet. |
| 08:04 | kf | ! |
| 08:04 | druthb? | |
| 08:04 | * druthb | wiggles her eyebrows. |
| 08:04 | druthb | jdavidb? |
| 08:04 | wahanui | i think jdavidb is no more...call her druthb now, please. |
| 08:05 | druthb | oooo...forgot I'd done that. |
| 08:05 | druthb? | |
| 08:05 | :P | |
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| 08:10 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #253: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/253/ |
| 08:10 | Frédéric Demians: Improve error message when translation installation fails | |
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| 08:22 | kf | druthb is a well-defined figment of your imagination |
| 08:22 | druthb | |
| 08:22 | druthb? | |
| 08:22 | wahanui | druthb is, like, a well-defined figment of my imagination |
| 08:22 | kf | oh sweet, he even does your/my |
| 08:28 | * rangi | just sent a patch for git-bz |
| 08:29 | rangi | if it gets accepted that should be all good, but for now if you want to test |
| 08:30 | ill push to gitorious | |
| 08:32 | git://gitorious.org/git-bz/git-bz.git | |
| 08:33 | if anyone wants to try lemme know and ill show you how to config it, and then write it up on the wiki | |
| 08:49 | kf | rangi |
| 08:49 | rangi++ | |
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| 09:51 | kf is now known as kf_lunch | |
| 10:13 | magnus_away is now known as magnuse | |
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| 10:24 | druthb | o/ |
| 10:35 | magnuse | \o |
| 10:37 | say you have an install with 5 branches - is it possible to stop patrons at branch A from putting holds on items at branch B, but allow them to put holds on items from branch C? | |
| 10:39 | druthb | do you want patrons from A to be able to borrow items from B, at all? |
| 10:39 | magnuse | druthb: nope |
| 10:40 | druthb | Then don't set up a circ rule for that. If you can't borrow it, you can't hold it. |
| 10:40 | Caveat, of couse, is that patrons from A need to be of a different category than other borrowers who *could* | |
| 10:41 | magnuse | ah ha |
| 10:42 | druthb | "Borrower from library A" is not part of the circ-map equation. This is the sort of problem that consortia wrangle with, and --in Koha, and in other systems-- it usually gets solved by having a whole bunch of patron categories. |
| 10:43 | It would not break my heart to see borrowers.branchcode be part of the circ-map equation, but that makes things pretty painful in setup. | |
| 10:44 | magnuse | so if they were schools, you could have "pupil school a" and "teacher school a", and then only allow those two to check out anything from "library A"? |
| 10:51 | druthb | correct. |
| 10:51 | magnuse | thanks! |
| 10:51 | druthb | you bet! |
| 10:51 | :D | |
| 11:02 | kf_lunch | magnuse: transer limits? |
| 11:03 | never used them, but I know you can set them up for combinations of branches | |
| 11:05 | magnuse | i'm not sure i understand what they do "Check the boxes for the libraries you accept to checkin items from." |
| 11:06 | seems it's only about what branches can do return on behalf of what other branches? | |
| 11:07 | kf_lunch | hm |
| 11:07 | also cool :) | |
| 11:12 | * kf_lunch | nick kf |
| 11:12 | kf_lunch is now known as kf | |
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| 11:16 | vfernandes | hi Koha community |
| 11:16 | :) | |
| 11:20 | there is any patch to Koha pro print one UNIMARC record in something like this: | |
| 11:20 | 010: ^aXXXXXXXX^bBrochado | |
| 11:21 | 101:0 ^aeng | |
| 11:21 | 102: ^aUS | |
| 11:21 | 200:1 ^aThe nature of prejudice^fGordon W. Allport | |
| 11:22 | ect.... | |
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| 11:29 | hdl | magnuse: about transfer limits, i guess we have pending patches on that... which are fixing the workflow... and the alert.... |
| 11:29 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6353] Erroneous prefixes before the singleBranchMode preference <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6353> |
| 11:29 | hdl | if you care. |
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| 11:51 | kmkale | Namaskar #koha |
| 11:55 | druthb | hi, kmkale! :D |
| 11:56 | kmkale | :) Namaste druthb |
| 11:57 | druthb | I've missed you lately, kmkale! |
| 11:57 | kmkale | Not been around much druthb. Business travel :( |
| 11:57 | druthb | ah. |
| 11:58 | kmkale | so whats happening in Kohaland? |
| 11:59 | druthb | wrangling data, on my end. Bringing libraries live just about every weekend. |
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| 12:03 | conan | hi everyotherbody |
| 12:09 | kmkale | hi conan |
| 12:12 | magnuse | druthb++ # for bringing libraries live just about every weekend |
| 12:13 | hdl: sorry, was afk. i havn't got the time today, but are the patches in bugzilla? | |
| 12:13 | hdl | Should be. |
| 12:14 | all depending on the big circulation enhancements.... | |
| 12:14 | * kmkale | waves at magnuse & hdl |
| 12:14 | hdl | hi kmkale |
| 12:14 | druthb | thanx, magnuse. |
| 12:16 | magnuse | namaste kmkale |
| 12:17 | kmkale | :) |
| 12:35 | conan | has someone seen tcohen lately? |
| 12:36 | kf | @seen tcohen |
| 12:36 | huginn` | kf: tcohen was last seen in #koha 4 days, 12 hours, 56 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <tcohen> @wunder madrid, spain |
| 12:36 | hdl | he was on the way to spain quite recently |
| 12:37 | kf | looks like it .) |
| 12:37 | kmkale | heya kf :) |
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| 12:40 | kf | namaste kmkale .) |
| 12:40 | conan | SPAIN! |
| 12:40 | crap | |
| 12:40 | I'll have to code the suspension change myself... :( | |
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| 12:46 | magnuse | kia ora sekjal |
| 12:46 | sekjal | howdy, magnuse! |
| 12:48 | hdl | conan: which suspension change ? |
| 12:49 | sekjal | hdl: quick acquisitions question: how does one mark an order as "paid for", independent of whether the material has been received yet or not? |
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| 12:51 | hdl | some development is done on that. either by Amit and osslabs, but we also are adding a status to order lines. So that it can be paid independently |
| 12:52 | matts is now known as matts_away | |
| 12:52 | hdl | I haven't seen any code from osslabs, so I won't bet on that. |
| 12:52 | And if there is it must have been done on HTPro. | |
| 12:52 | sekjal | hdl: so with current master, there's no way yet? |
| 12:53 | hdl | I don't think so. |
| 12:53 | matts_away is now known as matts | |
| 12:53 | sekjal | hmmmm |
| 12:53 | * sekjal | tries to think of work arounds |
| 12:54 | kf | sekjal: use one of the statistic value fields perhaps? |
| 12:54 | oleonard | Hi all |
| 12:55 | sekjal | kf: that may be the way to go for now, yes |
| 12:55 | kf | sekjal: only an idea, perhaps a stupid one, but if you don't use both for planning you could use one for "payment status" |
| 12:56 | sekjal | can those be changed after the basket is closed and the order received? |
| 12:56 | kf | no, not after closing |
| 12:56 | hm. do you need it on order line? | |
| 12:56 | or per basket? | |
| 12:57 | sekjal | a basket and a bill may contain different line items |
| 12:57 | kf | right |
| 12:57 | sekjal | I think the correct solution is a new database table for invoices |
| 12:58 | kf | fixing the calculation would be good too |
| 12:58 | we have some weird things going on in there | |
| 12:58 | sekjal | my grand solution is to merge vendors into borrowers, and merge acquisitons with the account system |
| 12:59 | kf | not sure |
| 12:59 | vendors are different than borrowers | |
| 12:59 | different fields | |
| 13:00 | perhaps I just can't wrap my head around it right now | |
| 13:00 | but not sure they are too different to be good wrapped into one | |
| 13:00 | if that english makes any sense.. | |
| 13:01 | sekjal | there are some additional fields to factor in |
| 13:01 | mainly how they do their pricing in what currency, any discounts or taxes | |
| 13:01 | kf | might get more over time |
| 13:02 | sekjal | but the company and contact details fit perfectly into borrowers |
| 13:02 | kf | I am thinking about notice templates |
| 13:02 | per vendor | |
| 13:02 | claim conditions | |
| 13:02 | perhaps relationships, have more than one table, more difficult to load data | |
| 13:07 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6170] 'More options' in advanced search broken <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6170> |
| 13:13 | gmcharlt | vendors are way different from borrowers |
| 13:13 | sure, address and contact information has a similar structure from patrons | |
| 13:14 | but vendors don't log in the the catalog, they don't place hold requests, there are a lot of semantics that don't apply | |
| 13:14 | sekjal | true |
| 13:14 | but ILL libraries are already forced into the borrowers table | |
| 13:15 | I think the core of institutions and individuals should be a shared structure | |
| 13:15 | with the necessary additional semantics to meet the needs of the specific type of creature they may be | |
| 13:15 | conan | hdl: sorry, I went for a tea |
| 13:16 | hdl: we don't charge money here, we want suspensions to be days based | |
| 13:16 | gmcharlt | sekjal: which in the case of vendors and patrons, are rather different |
| 13:17 | a consistent representation of contact and address information is fine, and desirable | |
| 13:17 | conan | hdl: I haven't looked at it yet because there is an ugly hack working here, so it was not a priority |
| 13:17 | hdl: tcohen told me they had the modification, so I was hoping to pull his changes, but he's gone now and I'm going to need to implement something for suspensions, the ugly hack or something else | |
| 13:28 | oleonard | I see some bug reports which imply that Koha used to hide the whole biblio from search results if all items were lost. Is that true? |
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| 13:37 | kf | sekjal: merging them into one table might make permission and search harder too |
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| 13:37 | kf | sekjal: I don't see the great advantage |
| 13:38 | sekjal | I think I may be approaching it from a more theoretical angle than a practical one |
| 13:38 | in my mind, they're essentially the same objects | |
| 13:38 | with some differing details | |
| 13:38 | but this details are pretty important for the workflow of the system | |
| 13:38 | gmcharlt | from a data structure point of view, yes, they're very similar |
| 13:39 | sekjal | worse idea: rip the whole thing out, and put in XML patron records. then push it out to Zebra to index |
| 13:39 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 13:40 | better/worse idea (though would lose compatiblity with databases other than postgres) - switch to Pg, then use table inheriteance | |
| 13:40 | core table has the the basic contact info/address structure | |
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| 13:40 | gmcharlt | children table can contain the vendor/patron specific parts |
| 13:40 | and play their individual parts in the workflow | |
| 13:42 | kf | sounds cool, but the postgres limitationi s hard |
| 13:42 | wizzyrea | oleonard++ for answering that "no holds allowed" question |
| 13:42 | I changed the text for that with jquery to "no items available" | |
| 13:42 | druthb | good morning, wizzyrea! :) |
| 13:42 | wizzyrea | mornin |
| 13:43 | indradg | morning wizzyrea |
| 13:43 | * conan | supports the pg migration idea |
| 13:44 | indradg | i'm seeing the value of "0" under "Renew (select all | none)" on the circulation page. what does this 0 signify? |
| 13:44 | conan | indradg: there are 0 renews |
| 13:44 | indradg: it will change with each renewal | |
| 13:45 | sekjal | I think Postgres does some absolutely awesome stuff. the Evergreen database structure is gorgeous |
| 13:46 | but I think we need to keep MySQL support | |
| 13:46 | conan | why? |
| 13:47 | wizzyrea | for the same reason that if we switched to solr we'd need to keep zebra support for a while |
| 13:47 | conan | "keep" ne "keep for a while" |
| 13:47 | sekjal | the more systems combinations Koha can run on, the wider the adoption |
| 13:47 | indradg | conan, however when I click on "Renew or return checked items" i'm getting renewal failed |
| 13:47 | conan | of course any change will need support for some time for the old way |
| 13:48 | but I think we should be running away from mysql, like if our lives were in danger kind of run | |
| 13:49 | indradg: does it say something else? | |
| 13:49 | indradg | conan, nope |
| 13:49 | conan | indradg: maybe you got a limit on your circulation rules for that kind of item |
| 13:49 | sekjal | there will always be dependencies on other projects, and the politics of those projects could go any which way |
| 13:49 | conan | indradg: check you don't have it in 0 for the column "Renewals Allowed" |
| 13:50 | sekjal | building Koha for flexibility let's us adapt to whatever changes may come our way |
| 13:50 | conan | does anyone here how to show those nice yellowish message that pop up when you try to do something forbidden? |
| 13:51 | magnuse is now known as magnus_away | |
| 13:51 | oleonard | conan: You set some condition in the script, you add the HTML to the template and show it when that condition is met |
| 13:51 | conan | I forbade several things and I would like to inform the logged in user about the situation |
| 13:52 | oleonard | conan: You'll need to set a template variable when the right condition is met |
| 13:53 | conan | oleonard: should I learn Templating right away? I was hoping for something more ... err... aimed? |
| 13:53 | I've seen the yes/no messages, but I think the one I need is another kind of beast | |
| 13:53 | oleonard | If you're already editing Perl scripts understanding template syntax should be easy |
| 13:53 | What kind of beast? | |
| 13:54 | conan | that's what I need to know, which animal would do the job |
| 13:54 | oleonard | <div class="dialog alert"> Your message here </div> |
| 13:54 | conan | oleonard: yeah, should, by I hate templates, I don't understand the reason for its existance in the first place, I'm fine with plain HTML |
| 13:56 | danmc | conan: based on your comment you'd suggest postgres instead of mysql for a new deployment? |
| 13:56 | oleonard | danmc: Koha doesn't support postgres properly yet |
| 13:56 | danmc | ah |
| 13:56 | indradg | where do I search of the number of renewals permitted in 3.2.7? |
| 13:56 | danmc | I'm still in the process of getting the required perl modules in place |
| 13:56 | oleonard | indradg: circulation and fine rules |
| 13:57 | indradg | oleonard, thanks :) |
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| 13:58 | conan | danmc: errm... no, from what I understand, I'm new here, postgres is not working ATM for koha |
| 13:58 | danmc: so you cannot deploy | |
| 13:58 | with pg | |
| 13:58 | hdl | conan: some patch on master are fixing that. |
| 13:58 | conan | hdl: suspensions? |
| 13:58 | danmc | thanks. |
| 13:59 | hdl | oleonard: I see some bug reports which imply that Koha used to hide the whole biblio from search results if all items were lost. Is that true?... If one item is lost with Hidelostitems on then the whole biblio is hidden |
| 13:59 | oleonard | hdl: That does not describe how it works now. |
| 14:00 | ...unless I have my system set up incorrectly? | |
| 14:00 | hdl | conan: yes.. |
| 14:01 | How it works now : is you send back an item which is late. | |
| 14:01 | conan | hdl: thx, will check bugzilla later |
| 14:01 | hdl | or more... Then it will use the biggest calculated fineindays and display... ppl debarred until .... |
| 14:01 | on circulation page. | |
| 14:02 | (doing multiple things--) | |
| 14:03 | conan | oleonard: when I say in perl: $template->param(SomethingIJustMadeUp => 1) |
| 14:04 | I'm making up a condition? | |
| 14:04 | so I just need to check for that in the template and I'm set, right? | |
| 14:04 | oleonard | [% IF ( SomethingIJustMadeUp ) %] SomethingIJustMadeUp is true! [% END %] |
| 14:05 | conan | oleonard++ |
| 14:05 | you're the man | |
| 14:06 | oleonard | Happy to help! |
| 14:15 | * conan | has a nice brand new yellowish message :) |
| 14:19 | oleonard | And it doesn't even have to be yellow: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=237 |
| 14:28 | kf | ouch |
| 14:28 | my eyes hurt | |
| 14:31 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 3397] Deleting item record leaves a hole in patron's reading history <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3397> |
| 14:32 | oleonard | There's good bug-fixin' to be found on that list of old bugs |
| 14:32 | I everyone waits I'll have gotten all the easy ones. | |
| 14:33 | kf | hehe |
| 14:33 | oleonard++ | |
| 14:33 | I was thinking about the reading history - we could get the title from deletedbiblios tables perhaps? | |
| 14:34 | oleonard | kf, if you can figure out how to do it I'd be happy for my patch to be superseded. |
| 14:35 | The issue, however, is not that the biblio has been deleted. Just the item. | |
| 14:35 | conan | oleonard: do you know Lea Verou? She has very nice works on CSS, lately she's been working on gradients, which would avoid the need for images ;) |
| 14:36 | oleonard | conan: Yes, there are lots of places where CSS3 could simplify things |
| 14:36 | conan | oleonard: gimme a couple of weeks, leave some easy ones for me! I'm implementing now and doing ugly fixes we need ASAP |
| 14:37 | For example, now I need to establish a maximum for items to loan for all libraries | |
| 14:37 | I'm testing and branch_borrower_circ_rules doesn't seem to do the job | |
| 14:38 | what's the intention for that table then? | |
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| 14:46 | sekjal | oleonard: it's easy to use JQuery to mark a checkbox as 'checked' upon page load, right? |
| 14:46 | oleonard | Usually yes |
| 14:46 | sekjal | provided it has the right markup to make it identifiable |
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| 14:51 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6363] The "Item Location" selectbox in inventory.pl doesn't appear when the default MARC framework is the only one avaiable. <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6363> |
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| 15:15 | kf | oleonard: I wonder if the scope problem with the include could be solved similar than the other include problem I had |
| 15:15 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6364] Display of item availability broken on OPAC detail screen <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6364> |
| 15:15 | kf | oleonard: bibliodefaultview or something |
| 15:15 | adding a parameter to the include thing solved it... | |
| 15:16 | hdl | sekjal: as far as i know, the invoice table could come with the indian work. |
| 15:16 | oleonard | Yes, but in this case you'd have to add a parameter for each variable we wanted to use in the include |
| 15:16 | (if I understand it correctly) | |
| 15:16 | kf | ah |
| 15:16 | k :) | |
| 15:17 | ok, time to log off here - bye all :) | |
| 15:18 | wizzyrea | bye kf |
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| 15:27 | hdl | conan: some work and debug stuff is available online... in the awaiting sign off tickets. |
| 15:35 | conan | hdl: I have to catch up, I have more than 100 msg waiting from koha-dev |
| 15:35 | I need to finish this implementation first, and only then all my time will be devoted to development | |
| 15:35 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 3886] Can't print receipt w/out allowing "Add or modify borrowers" permission <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3886> |
| 15:35 | conan | so I've been told... lets hope it's true |
| 15:38 | I need to know the state of some variables, so far I've been using plain ol' die($varToCheck) | |
| 15:38 | but now I'm being redirected to an error 500 page | |
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| 16:21 | rhcl_away | hi cait |
| 16:22 | cait | hi rhcl_away |
| 16:22 | rhcl_away is now known as rhcl | |
| 16:23 | druthb | hi, rhcl! :D |
| 16:28 | oleonard is now known as oleonard-away | |
| 16:28 | cait | oleonard++ |
| 16:28 | not for going away, but for bug wrangling :) | |
| 16:29 | wizzyrea | well oleonard, a challenge: simplify the place hold process in the OPAC -- too many clicks according to my librarians |
| 16:30 | cait | 2 clicks to many? |
| 16:30 | s/too/to | |
| 16:30 | wizzyrea | just too many, but yea probably two |
| 16:30 | of course | |
| 16:30 | to reduce clicks | |
| 16:30 | cait | place hold, say yes this one |
| 16:30 | you don't allow item level holds? | |
| 16:31 | wizzyrea | you have to assume that the pick up library is the same as the patron's home |
| 16:31 | * druthb | opens up an RFC for a Psychic Module for Koha. |
| 16:31 | wizzyrea | no, we don't |
| 16:31 | i know right | |
| 16:31 | cait | hm |
| 16:31 | honestly, no idea how to reduce the clicks without hiding functionality | |
| 16:32 | wizzyrea | yea, i see that too. |
| 16:32 | cait | and we have place hold links in every place I can think of |
| 16:33 | hm | |
| 16:33 | wizzyrea | ohh |
| 16:34 | interesting bug | |
| 16:34 | when placing a hold | |
| 16:34 | the 1st time the hold priority is computed | |
| 16:34 | it counts all holds, including waiting ones | |
| 16:34 | when it goes in the list, it doesn't count those | |
| 16:34 | and apparently it's confusing | |
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| 16:42 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6365] Missing information about tab number when mandatory fields unfilled <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6365> |
| 16:42 | oleonard | wizzyrea: An idea from a while ago: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=593 |
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| 16:46 | wizzyrea | oleonard! that's lovely :) |
| 16:47 | here's another one from my librarians: scanning a book barcode in the check out box should renew the item if it's renewable | |
| 16:47 | (without looking up the patron) | |
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| 16:48 | wizzyrea | good idea? bad idea? |
| 16:51 | cait | hm |
| 16:52 | druthb | I think the overhead of that could be evil... |
| 16:52 | conan | wizzyrea: looks interesting, but you have to go to the checkout box, then scan teh book... if you're already there, wouldn't be less fuss to just click? |
| 16:52 | you'll be switching tasks | |
| 16:53 | is like when you are at the keyboard and have to go grab de mouse for something | |
| 16:54 | cait | wizzyrea: it sounds dangerous to me |
| 16:54 | ah | |
| 16:54 | what if you have a library that has barcodes that can also be cardnumbers? | |
| 16:59 | and nto sure if it will slow things down if koha has to search 2 tables from that field | |
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| 17:17 | oleonard | Our old system did the opposite as well: If you scanned a patron barcode in the checkout box it would switch to that patron |
| 17:17 | But the system has to know which is which, and if your barcodes can be either one then it gets confusing | |
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| 17:26 | conan | later |
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| 17:28 | wizzyrea | conan: no, this is about scanning a book and not a patron card, no switching tasks. Other renewals can take place the regular way too. |
| 17:28 | cait: interesting points, I thought about the speed issue too | |
| 17:30 | the alternative is to "do it like sirsi does" and have a renewal scan box | |
| 17:31 | * oleonard | can't see any reason not to |
| 17:32 | wizzyrea | more scan boxes doesn't make you feel skeevy? |
| 17:32 | oleonard | I would add it in one place: On the circulation home page. |
| 17:34 | cait | hm that sounds good to me |
| 17:35 | sorry for late response - was making dinner | |
| 17:35 | oleonard | Oh no thanks cait I just had lunch |
| 17:35 | cait | hehe |
| 17:35 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6366] The serial claims dropdown shows suppliers that don't have late issues. <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6366> |
| 17:36 | wizzyrea | oleonard: you want me to add a bug for that? |
| 17:36 | oleonard | Sure, and in a year we'll mark it WONTFIX :P |
| 17:36 | wizzyrea | heh |
| 17:38 | cait | heh |
| 17:38 | lots of new bugs filed today | |
| 17:40 | magnuse | and the number of "needs signoff"s is getting dangerously close to 100 again... ;-) |
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| 18:05 | * oleonard | sees 56. |
| 18:08 | cait | 56? |
| 18:08 | oleonard | Whoops, wrong report. 99 "needs signoff" bugs. |
| 18:08 | sekjal | 56 sounds more like "Signed Off" |
| 18:09 | cait | I liked your number better |
| 18:09 | * cait | sends sekjal cookies |
| 18:09 | cait | ah |
| 18:09 | sekjal | mmmm, cookies |
| 18:09 | * cait | puts a big bowl in the middle of #koha |
| 18:09 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6367] 'Preview MARC' hover button does not show correct MARC record <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6367> |
| 18:09 | oleonard | ^ Number 99 |
| 18:10 | sekjal | oleonard: not for long! |
| 18:10 | * cait | cait_afk |
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| 18:10 | sekjal | (thanks for fixing that so quickly, ps. oleonard++) |
| 18:10 | * cait_afk | wonders when she will get that right the first time |
| 18:10 | cait_afk | oleonard? |
| 18:10 | wahanui | it has been said that oleonard is the master UI designer of koha |
| 18:11 | cait_afk | oleonard is also an awesome bug wrangler |
| 18:11 | wahanui | okay, cait_afk. |
| 18:12 | oleonard | sekjal: The sad part is, that must have been broken forever. |
| 18:13 | * oleonard | is very grumpy about the loss of git blame history we lost in the move to T:T |
| 18:13 | wizzyrea | :/ |
| 18:13 | rangi | its still there |
| 18:13 | cait_afk | oleonard: you could check the line on the 3.2.x branch |
| 18:13 | rangi | you can check it on master too |
| 18:13 | wizzyrea | cait is very smart |
| 18:14 | cait_afk | but seems like rangi has a better trick :) |
| 18:14 | rangi | just checkout the tag that i made before merging in TT |
| 18:14 | * cait_afk | waves to rangi |
| 18:14 | rangi | nothing is ever gone in git |
| 18:14 | * oleonard | does that, but doesn't like having to do so :P |
| 18:15 | * cait_afk | is really away no |
| 18:15 | cait_afk | w |
| 18:15 | druthb | hi, rangi! |
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| 18:16 | oleonard | rangi: If you have a suggestion for a better way to handle the T:T scoping issue in Bug 6364 I would love to hear it |
| 18:16 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6364 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Display of item availability broken on OPAC detail screen |
| 18:17 | oleonard | in short: the template variables in the include weren't properly scoped for the loop the include was embedded in |
| 18:17 | rangi | dont have time to look im afraid, off to the airport soon |
| 18:17 | ah yeah, declaring them is really all you can do in that process | |
| 18:17 | oleonard | Airport? Business or pleasure? |
| 18:17 | wahanui | oleonard: That doesn't look right. Try 'airport code for CITY' or 'airport name for CODE' instead. |
| 18:17 | rangi | before calling the include or as part of the include |
| 18:18 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 18:18 | rangi | [% INCLUDE thingy.inc var=something var2=other |
| 18:18 | etc | |
| 18:19 | business, ok might be back from airport | |
| 18:19 | * rangi | waves |
| 18:19 | oleonard | Yeah, too many variables in play I think |
| 18:19 | wizzyrea | bye rangi |
| 18:31 | sekjal | I think the data types for aqorderdelivery.ordernumber and aqorderdelivery.deliverydate got mixed up |
| 18:31 | ordernumber seems to make more sense as a varchar(18) than as a date | |
| 18:31 | and vice versa | |
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| 18:54 | cait_afk | sekjal: I agree |
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| 19:05 | * Brooke | waves to skushner |
| 19:06 | skushner | hi brooke |
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| 19:19 | wizzyrea | arg, just when I had a question for oleonard |
| 19:20 | Brooke | there, there. It's not easy chasing someone that's part ninja. |
| 19:21 | cait | lol |
| 19:21 | there there? :) | |
| 19:22 | wizzyrea | it's a form of comfort words :) |
| 19:22 | cait | I know that |
| 19:22 | :) | |
| 19:22 | wizzyrea | sry couldn't tell :) |
| 19:23 | cait | hehe |
| 19:23 | I know :) I am watching big bang theory right now - sheldon does that. | |
| 19:23 | so it's not only sheldon? | |
| 19:23 | wizzyrea | apparently not, as I've never watched big bang theory :) |
| 19:24 | * Brooke | looks innocent. |
| 19:24 | Brooke | any resemblance to Sheldon is purely speculative. |
| 19:24 | cait | aha! |
| 19:32 | * Brooke | thinks that Shah Rukh Khan could totally give the keynote at KohaCon. |
| 19:32 | Brooke | he's a geek in secrecy. I'm certain. |
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| 20:13 | wizzyrea | ha neat, double clicking the place hold button in the OPAC causes multiple holds |
| 20:14 | http://screencast.com/t/x9KkfjlM | |
| 20:15 | cait | eek |
| 20:16 | wizzyrea | deleting one deletes them all |
| 20:16 | they're functionally identical | |
| 20:16 | cait | hmhm |
| 20:16 | we should stopit | |
| 20:16 | wizzyrea | :) yea, i think so |
| 20:17 | I actually got it up to about 10 identical holds | |
| 20:17 | lots of clicking ^.^ | |
| 20:23 | sekjal | wizzyrea: nice to have that issue identified; I imagine it's a pretty easy fix |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | :D I was happy to finally find out how that happened |
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| 20:36 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6369] Formatting problems on some items when printing an order form (PDF). <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6369> / [Bug 6368] unimarc_field_4XX plugin does not work with new templates <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6368> |
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| 20:53 | wizzyrea | how much would I like saved reports to be searchable |
| 20:53 | so much. | |
| 20:54 | cait | hm |
| 20:54 | a search reports option? | |
| 20:54 | in the search form on top of the screen? | |
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| 20:55 | wizzyrea | at least when you're in the reports module |
| 20:56 | cait | yes |
| 20:56 | enh bug? :) | |
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| 20:59 | Space_Librarian | morning #koha |
| 21:00 | druthb | hi, Space_Librarian! |
| 21:00 | cait | morning Space_Librarian |
| 21:00 | * Space_Librarian | waves |
| 21:00 | cait | good night #koha |
| 21:01 | Space_Librarian | night cait! |
| 21:01 | library_systems_guy | good night cait |
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| 21:01 | Space_Librarian | @wunder wellington, nz |
| 21:01 | huginn` | Space_Librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0�C (8:00 AM NZST on May 19, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising). |
| 21:01 | library_systems_guy | hey guys i talked to rangi last night and he was telling me he only knew of one group that had successfully integrated drupal and koha |
| 21:01 | do you guys happen to know of anybody else? | |
| 21:02 | i know the guide is in the manual | |
| 21:02 | but im not sure if i should do the sopac install on the koha server or the drupal server | |
| 21:02 | Space_Librarian | there are some developers here who have been thinking about it, but nobody's *actually* got around to doing it yet. |
| 21:02 | wizzyrea | oo |
| 21:02 | library_systems_guy | dang |
| 21:03 | * wizzyrea | idly wonders if anyone has ever done it on two different servers |
| 21:03 | library_systems_guy | i am wordering the same thing wizzyrea |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | but |
| 21:03 | library_systems_guy | and if so how |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | the people to ask |
| 21:03 | are usually here in the US morning | |
| 21:03 | library_systems_guy | the french guys? |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | that would be paul_p and hdl |
| 21:04 | library_systems_guy | ok ill stalk them in the AM then |
| 21:04 | hdl | what? |
| 21:04 | library_systems_guy | oh hey hdl |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea was telling me you were the person to talk to about drupal koha integration | |
| 21:05 | hdl | well, we did... It is not really drupal though. |
| 21:05 | It is SOPAC. | |
| 21:05 | library_systems_guy | right |
| 21:05 | hdl | But yea... it works. and is in production. |
| 21:05 | library_systems_guy | nice :) |
| 21:05 | did sopac and koha exist on the same server? | |
| 21:07 | hdl | It may... |
| 21:08 | We had to quite tweak sopac | |
| 21:08 | But it works | |
| 21:09 | library_systems_guy | this sounds more and more interesting |
| 21:09 | are you part of the only group that has successfully done it hdl? | |
| 21:10 | hdl | I am part of the company who did it. And who propose services for that. |
| 21:11 | But I personnaly only took little part in that... See how SOPAC works and that it could be nice if it could work with Koha. | |
| 21:12 | library_systems_guy | oh ok, i guess ill dig a little deeper into sopac |
| 21:13 | hdl | from a user point of view. There are some counterparts... Shpinx usage... where Solr could be a better choice... but it works. |
| 21:15 | library_systems_guy | i guess i haven't looked into sopac enough. Is it just the catalog search engine that *CAN* pull results from Koha? |
| 21:18 | hdl | well it is kind of OAI like... The catalogue enriches the database on a regular base. |
| 21:18 | library_systems_guy | oh i think i understand, like a mirror of the koha db when searching |
| 21:18 | hdl | I would much favour integration into a portal using SRU/SRW and ILS-DI... fwiw... |
| 21:19 | library_systems_guy: yep | |
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| 21:20 | library_systems_guy | thanks for all the tips hdl |
| 21:28 | hdl | library_systems_guy: you can take a look there : |
| 21:28 | library_systems_guy | where is there? |
| 21:28 | wahanui | i guess there is no spoon. |
| 21:29 | hdl | mmm... never mind... I thought there was a good axample of SRU integration. |
| 21:30 | but find none | |
| 21:30 | library_systems_guy | sad day |
| 21:30 | do you by chance work for biblibre | |
| 21:30 | hdl | Yes. |
| 21:31 | library_systems_guy | ahh ok so you guys are definitely the only company that i have found that has pulled this off |
| 21:31 | i looked for the demo you had posted and the blog but it was taken down :'( | |
| 21:47 | hdl | mmm.... library_systems_guy maybe you could look at sopac.biblibre.com |
| 21:48 | library_systems_guy | oh yeah that is much better lol |
| 21:50 | hdl | i wish we could plug more OPACs. |
| 21:51 | library_systems_guy | i bet that would send a lot more money biblibre's way |
| 21:51 | hdl | And we surely could, with blacklight or vufind... |
| 21:52 | library_systems_guy | I've read that blacklight is supposed to be very good |
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| 21:52 | Space_Librarian | morning Irma |
| 21:52 | hdl | library_systems_guy: we are running after money or customers first. |
| 21:53 | library_systems_guy | hdl, fair enough. I mean really you have to in order to preserve your company |
| 21:53 | hdl | We want the library... and users to get the product they want. |
| 21:54 | library_systems_guy | and inevitably what makes it easiest for the users to use |
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| 22:16 | indradg | @wunder kolkata |
| 22:16 | huginn` | indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 23.0�C (3:20 AM IST on May 19, 2011). Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling). |
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| 22:47 | rhcl | thesocialopac.net <- full of spam comments |
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| 23:33 | druthb | o/ |
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| 23:35 | druthb | *two* skushners? An abundance of wealth! |
| 23:36 | skushner407 | Yeah, I was wondering about that? Who's this 407 character..?? |
| 23:36 | oh, i guess it's me | |
| 23:37 | druthb | :) |
| 23:37 | skushner407 | must be a doppelganger |
| 23:38 | * druthb | will buy one of them a drink. |
| 23:38 | skushner407 | must hunt down and kill the other one. |
| 23:38 | thanks | |
| 23:39 | but which one, one wonders, yesssh..we wonders... | |
| 23:39 | druthb | The friendly one! that other fellow is just sitting there looking surly. |
| 23:40 | skushner407 | =?p |
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