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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | druthb | eh? wha'd I do now? |
| 00:00 | SteveJ | You had to be all nice and set up the test environment which is causing me to have to do work! |
| 00:01 | * druthb | cackles. |
| 00:01 | druthb | You're not the only one i've torqued in that fashion this weekend--it's been a busy, productive one. |
| 00:01 | Everything look okay, so far? | |
| 00:03 | SteveJ | Yep. A few minor tweaks needed but nothing major. Will let you know by Tuesday. |
| 00:03 | druthb | awesomeness. Any changes we need to make to the mapping, just shout; easy enough to do, then re-run the scripts and reload. That many bibs, takes an hour or so to do. |
| 00:04 | pretty_clean_data_to_start_with++ | |
| 00:06 | SteveJ | That is certainly a nice way of saying that since we were only using about six fields in our old system that there is not much work to be done. |
| 00:07 | druthb | A certain other site i'm coping with is much larger, and has their bib data in a non-standard XML format. It's clearly *supposed* to be MARC, but none of the conventional translators can touch it. I'm having to write a crosswalk to get it to something I *can* work with. Very messy. |
| 00:08 | SteveJ | By the way, are you going to be at SLA? |
| 00:08 | druthb | SteveJ: Handing me items in a 952 with only one field out of place, and a half-dozen little mapping tweaks, was a pleasant relief from some of the "build MARC from this nasty spreadsheet" garbage I've dealt with lately. |
| 00:09 | I had not planned on it. I am going to be at KUDOS in May (presenting--twice), and there was talk of ALA, but that's all I know of at this time. | |
| 00:11 | jcamins_away | universities_that_don't_make_their_dissertations_available_anywhere-- |
| 00:12 | SteveJ | ^Where did that come from? |
| 00:13 | jcamins_away | @karma universities_that_don't_make_their_dissertations_available_anywhere |
| 00:13 | huginn | jcamins_away: Karma for "universities_that_don't_make_their_dissertations_available_anywhere" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. |
| 00:13 | jcamins_away | Prior to my decrementation, those universities had neutral karma. |
| 00:13 | I have fixed this. ;) | |
| 00:13 | druthb | doing some research, jcamins? |
| 00:14 | (or, trying to?) | |
| 00:14 | jcamins_away | Yep. |
| 00:14 | There's a fantastic-sounding dissertation from Hebrew University. | |
| 00:15 | The one in Jerusalem, not the one in Cincinatti. | |
| 00:17 | SteveJ | I like the universities that insist theirs are available through proquest's service, except they are often unusuable in my field because images don't exactly come across well when microfilmed. |
| 00:18 | jcamins_away | Oh, yeah, those are fun too. |
| 00:18 | The best part, for me, is that the dissertation was written in Russian, but the author of the dissertation cites it in English. | |
| 00:18 | SteveJ | lol |
| 00:19 | jcamins_away | ... also the fact that the Russian title and the English title are completely different. |
| 00:20 | Eventually I catch on to these things. | |
| 00:20 | SteveJ | We ordered several conference proceedings from the publisher in Chile. All the descriptions and such were in English, but when we received them found that all the papers were in Spanish. There was a bit of cursing involved when we got them in three months and $500 later. |
| 00:21 | jcamins_away | Heh. We did that once. |
| 00:25 | Okay, I'm not getting my hands on this dissertation. Back to reading. | |
| 00:40 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #191: UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/191/ |
| 00:40 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 5917 : More tweaks to the translation | |
| 00:40 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 5917 : Trimming leading spaces - Please test it seems to work ok | |
| 00:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5917 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit |
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| 01:53 | chris_n2 | more tornado video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPsQkamAOlw |
| 01:53 | that gas station is ~3 miles from my house and shows both tornados | |
| 01:57 | same tornado tossing large fiberglass swimming pools into the air like toys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxeEPfCmANQ | |
| 01:59 | space_librarian | Wow... |
| 01:59 | druthb | chris_n2: I'm glad you and yours are okay! That's fierce! |
| 02:01 | space_librarian | that's... wow |
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| 02:24 | rangi | back |
| 02:44 | bg | @wunder 93109 |
| 02:44 | huginn | bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 14.5�C (7:45 PM PDT on April 17, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect from 4 PM this afternoon to 3 am PDT Monday... |
| 02:51 | space_librarian | @wunder wellington, nz |
| 02:51 | huginn | space_librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (2:00 PM NZST on April 18, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising). |
| 02:54 | druthb | @wunder 20852 |
| 02:54 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 14.9�C (10:55 PM EDT on April 17, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Falling). |
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| 03:25 | AmitG | heya all |
| 03:25 | heya chris | |
| 03:29 | druthb | space_librarian++ |
| 03:29 | * space_librarian | waves |
| 03:29 | * druthb | stumbles off to bed. |
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| 03:33 | AmitG | heya space_librarian |
| 03:33 | wahanui | space_librarian is probably a Koha poet |
| 03:33 | space_librarian | Hey Amit! |
| 03:34 | rangi | gmcharlt: around? |
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| 05:01 | Oak | hi, can someone point me to a link that explains difference b/w Liblime and community releases of Koha. |
| 05:01 | or explain here if possible. | |
| 05:02 | space_librarian | that's a long story |
| 05:02 | rangi | heh |
| 05:02 | * eythian | hands Oak a can labelled 'worms' |
| 05:02 | * space_librarian | wonders how to put it |
| 05:02 | eythian | open it. you know you wanna! |
| 05:03 | Oak | I want to know about this :) |
| 05:03 | space_librarian | Liblime isn't exactly *open* |
| 05:03 | rangi | Oak: there is Koha, which has elected release officials, like release managers release maintainers etc |
| 05:03 | which does official releases | |
| 05:03 | liblime maintain a couple of forks | |
| 05:04 | one of which they do releases for | |
| 05:04 | Oak | i see |
| 05:04 | rangi | its not a Koha release, the code hasnt been through the sign off, qa etc process that Koha goes through |
| 05:04 | the other fork is nearly 3 years old, and has never had a release | |
| 05:05 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nt-patch_Workflow | |
| 05:05 | Oak | hm |
| 05:05 | rangi | thats how code makes it into Koha |
| 05:05 | who knows how code makes it into Liblime stuff | |
| 05:05 | presumably they take stuff from the Koha repo, and commit their own as well | |
| 05:05 | mtj | liblime's unreleased fork is called 'liblime enterprise koha' aka llek |
| 05:06 | Oak | ah |
| 05:06 | mtj | liblime's 'released' fork is called harley |
| 05:06 | rangi | http://lwn.net/Articles/386284/ |
| 05:06 | is a good read | |
| 05:07 | Oak | oh thanks |
| 05:08 | I am an MLIS student and need to give presentation on Koha... on Wednesday. 'Introduction to Koha and why we should consider it as an alternative to propriety software'. | |
| 05:08 | mtj | harley was last updated 1 year ago, so its around 3000? commits behind Koha stable |
| 05:08 | rangi | something like htat |
| 05:09 | mtj | https://github.com/ptfs/Koha-PTFS/commits/harley |
| 05:09 | rangi | http://librariansmatter.com/bl[…]-you-want-to-see/ |
| 05:09 | is another 3rd party write up | |
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| 05:10 | alreadygone is now known as Oak_ | |
| 05:10 | Oak left #koha | |
| 05:10 | Oak_ | sorry, got dc |
| 05:10 | rangi | basically if you are talking about Koha, then because liblime/ptfs dont do koha, you dont really need to mention them imho :) |
| 05:11 | could just mention the 37 or so other support companies that actually do instead | |
| 05:11 | Oak_ | hm, that's a good point. And to download Koha, the link is not koha.org but http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ |
| 05:12 | rangi | yeah |
| 05:12 | did you see this link | |
| 05:12 | Oak_ | ok good, that sounds good |
| 05:12 | rangi | http://librariansmatter.com/bl[…]-you-want-to-see/ |
| 05:12 | Oak_ | yes I got this link http://www.librariansmatter.co[…]-you-want-to-see/ before dc |
| 05:12 | rangi | git.koha-community.org, wiki.koha-community, download. www. etc |
| 05:13 | id just recommend ignoring anything.koha.org | |
| 05:13 | Oak_ | yes :) ok. |
| 05:16 | rangi | ok time to catch my bus |
| 05:17 | Oak_: i recommend http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/20[…]program/day1.html | |
| 05:17 | and the other 2 days | |
| 05:17 | the presentations are recorded, so there are links to the video | |
| 05:18 | might be some ones that give you ideas for your presentation | |
| 05:18 | Oak_ | oh yes that will surely help. did not thought of that |
| 05:18 | exactly | |
| 05:18 | rangi | ok, im off |
| 05:18 | good luck :) | |
| 05:18 | Oak_ | ok thank you very much rangi :) |
| 05:19 | much appreciated | |
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| 05:46 | rangi | @wunder wellington nz |
| 05:46 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (5:00 PM NZST on April 18, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Rising). |
| 05:46 | rangi | I bet its actually about 4 on this bus |
| 05:50 | eythian | it's only a 61.1kph ssw wind. Harden up :) |
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| 06:25 | alex_a | hi #koha |
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| 06:26 | cait | hi #kohy |
| 06:26 | #koha | |
| 06:26 | eythian | hello |
| 06:26 | cait | hi eythian :) |
| 06:29 | eythian | how's tricks? |
| 06:32 | magnus_away is now known as magnuse | |
| 06:34 | cait | tricks? |
| 06:34 | morning magnuse :) | |
| 06:36 | eythian | cait: it's a slang expression meaning "what's happening?" |
| 06:36 | or "how's it going" | |
| 06:36 | cait | thx |
| 06:36 | so the answer is: tired, weekend was too short and getting ready for work ;) | |
| 06:37 | and I see rangi worked on my translation problems! yay! | |
| 06:38 | eythian: how's tricks? | |
| 06:38 | eythian | heh |
| 06:39 | trying to allow bulkmarcimport handle duplicate barcodes more gracefully than just throwing away items :) | |
| 06:40 | magnuse | morning #koha |
| 06:41 | @wunder bodo, norway | |
| 06:41 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0�C (8:20 AM CEST on April 18, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:43 | cait | eythian: sounds like a good idea |
| 06:44 | ok, have to go - ttyl | |
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| 06:44 | eythian | yeah, needed for a migration I'm doing, and likely to come up again in the future. Some versions of liberty default the barcode field to the biblio ID number. Which causes Koha problems if you have more than one item on that biblio. |
| 06:45 | oh, bye :) | |
| 06:45 | magnuse | that does sound like a somewhat unfortunate default, eythian... |
| 06:48 | eythian | magnuse: one of many in Liberty it seems. |
| 06:48 | magnuse | ouch |
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| 06:58 | AmitG | heya hdl, julian, sophie_m |
| 06:58 | magnuse | bonjour biblibre |
| 06:59 | sophie_m | hello #koha |
| 06:59 | julian | hi #koha! |
| 07:00 | AmitG | heya magnuse |
| 07:01 | magnuse | hiya AmitG |
| 07:02 | matts_away is now known as matts | |
| 07:03 | matts | hello #koha |
| 07:10 | magnuse | so what are easter holidays like in koha land? in norway we work full days today and tomorrow, half a day on wednesday and then have thursday, friday, the weekend and monday completely off... |
| 07:10 | rangi | we have friday and monday off |
| 07:11 | AmitG | we have only friday off ;( |
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| 07:12 | eythian | yay, fixed bulkmarcimport to deal with dodgy data. |
| 07:13 | magnuse | eythian++ |
| 07:13 | * eythian | makes a bug, makes a patch |
| 07:13 | magnuse | ooh, sounds like we are quite lucky, then ;-) |
| 07:14 | rangi: you might be busy on friday, even if you have the day off? | |
| 07:14 | rangi | yep will be busy |
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| 07:14 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:15 | hdl | hi all |
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| 07:18 | rangi | magnuse: hopefully not too busy |
| 07:19 | wrote the release notes today, tomorrow ill be building a couple of tarballs, and testing installs | |
| 07:19 | magnuse | cool |
| 07:21 | my plan is to upgrade all my installs to 3.4 during easter - i might live to regret that, but it seems so very convenient to do it during those quiet days | |
| 07:21 | and i am so looking forward to not having to maintain my own little normarc fork! ;-) | |
| 07:22 | rangi | i think it should be pretty safe, i think the last remaining gotchas are to do with the translations and i think they are pretty much sorted |
| 07:23 | or at least getting there | |
| 07:24 | for people running in another language, i would make sure to test the translations before upgrading production | |
| 07:25 | magnuse | test them how? are there things that are likely to be missed? |
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| 07:25 | magnuse | bug 5917 |
| 07:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5917 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit |
| 07:26 | magnuse | ah yes |
| 07:26 | francharb | hello all |
| 07:26 | rangi | thats what needs to be tested :) |
| 07:26 | eythian | magnuse: all your Norwegian translations will now come up in Esperanto. |
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| 07:26 | magnuse | eythian: woohoo! |
| 07:26 | bonjour clrh | |
| 07:26 | clrh | Bonjour magnuse & all :=) |
| 07:27 | rangi | hi clrh |
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| 07:30 | eythian | srsly git, how about spotting whitespace errors during format-patch rather than git-am |
| 07:30 | rangi | magnuse: you could grab the norwegian .po files from translate.koha-community.org and install them |
| 07:30 | eythian: you can make it spot them at commit | |
| 07:31 | im sure you can at format-patch too | |
| 07:31 | eythian | rangi: that'd be better still |
| 07:31 | rangi | just add a hook |
| 07:31 | in .git/hooks | |
| 07:31 | my commit runs all the critical tests | |
| 07:32 | and checks for conflict markers etc | |
| 07:32 | magnuse | rangi, yeah will do that |
| 07:33 | rangi | eythian: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]s/heads/git-hooks |
| 07:33 | eythian | rangi: but what do you use to find the whitespace errors? |
| 07:33 | oh | |
| 07:34 | I can't see anything in there that would do it... | |
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| 07:36 | kf | eythian: hehe |
| 07:37 | hm. it's monday. forgot to scroll down. | |
| 07:37 | rangi | http://eng.wealthfront.com/201[…]s-pre-commit.html |
| 07:38 | kf | magnuse: the translation still has some glitches - hope chris recent changes will fix most of it |
| 07:38 | in my tests yesterday a lot of things in opac didn't get translated | |
| 07:38 | rangi | eythian: you can check the hook for the apply |
| 07:39 | eythian | rangi: that could be useful. Although it wouldn't catch this particular case: a space before a tab. |
| 07:39 | I mostly just think it's dumb of git to create a patch it can't apply | |
| 07:39 | rangi | oh it can apply it just fine |
| 07:39 | if its just whitespace errors | |
| 07:39 | eythian | error: misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl: patch does not apply |
| 07:39 | the only mentions are of whitespace | |
| 07:40 | rangi | yeah those are just warns |
| 07:40 | the not apply will be of something else | |
| 07:40 | unless you have somehow switched on some kinda strict mode or something | |
| 07:40 | at least half the patches i get have whitespace issues | |
| 07:40 | eythian | hmm strange |
| 07:40 | rangi | but they still apply |
| 07:42 | eythian | I'll see more soon |
| 07:42 | rangi | usually if i get a dont apply, the mail programme has munched it |
| 07:42 | or its been formatted against a branch, other than the one im trying to apply it to | |
| 07:42 | kf | rangi: I saw your commits - one of them fixing xslt translation? |
| 07:42 | rangi | no |
| 07:42 | eythian | rangi: yeah, that's what I'm doing here. |
| 07:43 | rangi | well maybe |
| 07:43 | eythian | but it doesn't give me conflicts |
| 07:43 | rangi | kf: i dont know |
| 07:43 | yeah it often doesnt just refuses not to apply cos the hashes in it dont exist in that branch | |
| 07:43 | eythian | OK, well I'll see if I can cherry pick it onto master and do it that way |
| 07:44 | rangi | normally i get conflicts if it was formatted against an old version of the branch |
| 07:44 | yeah that oughta work | |
| 07:44 | kf: i think it just fixed the %s but maybe the xslt too | |
| 07:45 | eythian | OK, now I've got useful conflicts |
| 07:45 | magnuse | eythian woohoo ;-) |
| 07:46 | kf | rangi: will test tonight :) |
| 07:51 | rangi | cool |
| 07:53 | magnuse | is bug 5579 making it into 3.4? hope so! |
| 07:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5579 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml |
| 07:54 | rangi | it needs another sign off, and then it will |
| 07:54 | hdl | magnuse: coulr be... It needs some more signoff |
| 07:54 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6199] Allow bulkmarcimport to blank duplicate barcodes rather than skipping items <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6199> |
| 07:54 | hdl | feel free to test and sign off :P |
| 07:54 | hi all | |
| 07:54 | rangi | im really hoping it will, it looks good to me, but is quite a big change so would like one more to check :) |
| 07:54 | kf | hi hdl :) |
| 08:00 | magnuse | oh, it would be so good to have that in 3.4! |
| 08:01 | rangi | yep i really want it in |
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| 08:05 | magnuse | so which patch(es) should be tested? the one called "signed off patches set" (http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ment.cgi?id=3826) from clrh, or all of the four that are listed? |
| 08:06 | rangi | hmm lemme check |
| 08:09 | * kf | puts a plate of cake int he middle of #koha |
| 08:09 | kf | can't only feed my coworkers here and leave #koha out |
| 08:10 | magnuse | yummy! |
| 08:10 | rangi | magnuse: ah yes, that has all 11 of them in that one file |
| 08:10 | so yes that one 3826 | |
| 08:13 | magnuse | ok, cool - i might not be able to keep myself from giving it a try then... |
| 08:13 | rangi | hehe |
| 08:13 | good | |
| 08:13 | the things to test would be the obvious things, like circulation and cataloguing | |
| 08:14 | magnuse | yeah |
| 08:14 | eythian | location values map to the authorised value 'LOC' right? |
| 08:15 | rangi | if you set that in your frameworks yep |
| 08:15 | (i think by default that is set) | |
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| 08:16 | magnuse | kia ora, paul_p |
| 08:16 | eythian | cool |
| 08:17 | rangi | wb paul_p |
| 08:17 | paul_p | bonjour everybody ! |
| 08:17 | back IRL after one week afk | |
| 08:22 | magnuse | paul_p: you consider this to be the real life? ;-) |
| 08:23 | rangi | koha is life |
| 08:23 | :) | |
| 08:23 | paul_p | magnuse, ;-) |
| 08:23 | magnuse | hehe |
| 08:36 | eythian | fixing one more thing then it's time to go home I think |
| 08:40 | magnuse | well, that's early ;-) |
| 08:41 | eythian | yeah, it's not even 9pm yet :) |
| 08:46 | kf | I think we all have a serious koha addiction |
| 08:46 | magnuse | hehe |
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| 08:47 | kf | hi kmkale |
| 08:47 | kmkale | hi kf :) |
| 08:50 | magnuse | hiya kmkale |
| 08:50 | kmkale | hi magnuse |
| 08:50 | magnuse | any more registrations for kohacon? :-) |
| 08:51 | kmkale | 120 so far |
| 08:52 | 2 paper abstracts awaiting review | |
| 08:52 | magnuse | nice |
| 08:53 | paul_p | hi kmkale ! |
| 08:53 | kmkale | hi paul_p |
| 08:54 | magnuse: most interesting part is the registrations are from 16 countries http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/[…]Conf/registration | |
| 08:55 | kf | magnuse being one of those probably ;) |
| 08:55 | magnuse | and kf |
| 08:55 | cool graph! | |
| 08:56 | kf | oh 2 from nz! |
| 08:56 | but no idea about most of the other abbreviations | |
| 08:56 | rangi | BI? |
| 08:56 | i know all the other ones | |
| 08:56 | kf | I need a legend |
| 08:56 | rangi | dont know that one |
| 08:57 | afghanistan | |
| 08:57 | australia | |
| 08:57 | bangladesh | |
| 08:57 | bi ? | |
| 08:57 | kf | great britain |
| 08:57 | kmkale | I don't see Germany and France in there yet :( |
| 08:57 | kf | india |
| 08:57 | ir? ireland? | |
| 08:57 | rangi | yep |
| 08:57 | kf | lk... |
| 08:57 | rangi | sri lanka |
| 08:57 | kmkale | Shri Lanks |
| 08:57 | kf | kmkale: more pestering? ;) |
| 08:57 | kmkale | *Lanka |
| 08:57 | yep | |
| 08:58 | rangi | nigeria |
| 08:58 | norway | |
| 08:58 | magnuse | yay |
| 08:58 | 19 from nigeria? wow! | |
| 08:58 | rangi | nz, philipines, pakistan, taiwan, us, china |
| 08:58 | im guessing ng is nigeria | |
| 08:59 | kmkale | http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/ctycodes.htm |
| 08:59 | kf | zw is china? |
| 08:59 | kmkale | zimbabwe |
| 09:00 | rangi | an yeah i was going on the language codes |
| 09:00 | thats pretty cool | |
| 09:01 | magnuse | it is |
| 09:02 | kf | bi? |
| 09:02 | burkina faso | |
| 09:02 | kmkale | burundi |
| 09:03 | kf | hm list says that's kh |
| 09:03 | rangi | yeah i think its iana delegations not countrycodes |
| 09:03 | http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/bi.html | |
| 09:04 | http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/ | |
| 09:05 | kf | magnuse: do you think they want us or only our language codes? |
| 09:05 | or countrycode | |
| 09:05 | magnuse | hehe |
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| 09:07 | kmkale_ | yay |
| 09:08 | who kf? | |
| 09:08 | wahanui | rumour has it kf is the kind of person that will brighten everyone's day |
| 09:10 | kf | 2 kamkales for more pestering about kohacon? |
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| 09:12 | kmkale | blame that on my broadband provider :( |
| 09:18 | AmitG | heya kmkale |
| 09:18 | kmkale | hi AmitG |
| 09:19 | AmitG: bhow about that link? | |
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| 09:31 | * magnuse | wanders off to an early lunch |
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| 10:13 | tcohen | hi #koha |
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| 10:49 | magnuse | o/ |
| 10:49 | druthb | o/ |
| 10:50 | kmkale | hi druthb |
| 10:50 | druthb | hi, kmkale! :D |
| 10:50 | kmkale | :) |
| 10:58 | kf | hi druthb :) |
| 10:59 | * druthb | wriggles happily |
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| 11:09 | conan | hi everyone |
| 11:10 | AmitG | heya conan |
| 11:10 | kf | hi conan |
| 11:16 | magnuse | hi conan |
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| 11:28 | magnuse | hiya nengard and jwagner |
| 11:28 | jwagner | Hi magnuse |
| 11:29 | magnuse | you didn't get swept away by the wind last night, nengard! |
| 11:29 | nengard | magnuse, the wind was a couple days ago and it was hard to stand upright :) but I made it :) |
| 11:30 | magnuse | oops, i'm a bit delayed then... good that you made it! |
| 11:31 | nengard | hehe :) thanks for checking up on me! :) |
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| 11:35 | * kf | waves |
| 11:36 | * jwagner | waves back |
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| 11:49 | AmitG | heya jwagner |
| 11:49 | jwagner | Hi AmitG |
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| 12:12 | nengard | is there a way in git to delete a bunch of branches at once? a wildcard or something? I have so many branches from all my signoffs and I really need to cut that list down some |
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| 12:14 | hdl | nengard: you could do that but only with bash and getting down in the .git files.... Which I would not advise.... |
| 12:14 | nengard | k |
| 12:14 | i'll need to spend some time just deleting them one by one ;) | |
| 12:14 | Oak | \o |
| 12:15 | hdl | Or with a for i in `git branch -r |grep tokenIwant` |
| 12:15 | do | |
| 12:15 | git branch -D $i | |
| 12:15 | done | |
| 12:15 | branch -r is to get remote branches. | |
| 12:17 | kf | hm question: I want to delete all fines, history about fines and everything else related |
| 12:17 | can I just writeoff all fines from borrower accounts and drop the accountlines table or will it explode? | |
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| 12:17 | pastebot0 | "jcamins" at 208.120.0.116 pasted "nengard - update koha-dev" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/12 |
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| 12:26 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:27 | tcohen | hi oleonard |
| 12:39 | Oak | who is B W Johnson |
| 12:39 | ? | |
| 12:40 | jcamins | Brooke. |
| 12:40 | Oak | and Brooke Helman? |
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| 12:42 | nengard | same person |
| 12:42 | two emails | |
| 12:45 | Oak | ah, ok, thanks |
| 12:46 | making a presentation on Koha and adding links to her tutorials... | |
| 12:49 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5791] Robust handling of deleted biblios/authorities <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5791> |
| 12:50 | Oak | is it ok to say Koha is 'used by thousands of libraries in the world' ? the word 'thousands' ok? |
| 12:51 | oleonard | That sounds too high to say without evidence. |
| 12:52 | Oak | what should I say then? |
| 12:52 | magnuse | lib-web-cats has 1200 and some, that's the only thing we can say for sure... |
| 12:52 | but there are a lot more than that | |
| 12:52 | jcamins | "Well over a thousand" |
| 12:52 | Oak | ok, 'more than a thousand libraries' should be ok then |
| 12:53 | magnuse | i'd say more than 1200, but yeah |
| 12:54 | kf | the problem with lib-web-cats is that a lot of those entries never get updated :( |
| 12:54 | * oleonard | is glad that, at the very least, the lib-web-cats search for Koha libraries includes all of his vendor-specific categories |
| 12:55 | Oak | ok, thanks |
| 12:56 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 12:56 | magnuse | g'day gmcharlt |
| 12:57 | tcohen | hi gmcharlt |
| 12:58 | kf | hi gmcharlt :) |
| 13:07 | nengard | can someone confirm for me that i just found a bug ... i'm on the funds page and i'm clicking edit next to a fund and nothing is happening |
| 13:08 | the url changes, but the screen does not | |
| 13:09 | oleonard | /cgi-bin/koha/admin/aqbudgets.pl ? |
| 13:11 | nengard | bug 6200 submitted on it |
| 13:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6200 blocker, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, can't edit funds |
| 13:11 | nengard | feel free to close if it's not a bug |
| 13:11 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6156] Misaligned column in cart print view <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6156> |
| 13:12 | nengard | also i don't see the budgets on the right of cgi-bin/koha/acqui/acqui-home.pl |
| 13:12 | * oleonard | has no active edit or delete link on aqbudgets.pl. Grey text. |
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| 13:21 | nengard | oleonard - okay so it's a FF4 thing showing me the links probably - but they should be active |
| 13:21 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6185] holds slip says 'reserve' <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6185> |
| 13:22 | nengard | checking in chrome |
| 13:22 | oleonard, on chrome on mac the links show as well | |
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| 13:22 | nengard | nothing greyed out |
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| 13:28 | oleonard | nengard: The greyed out text is from the budget being locked, according to the template |
| 13:29 | nengard | oh |
| 13:29 | mine aren't locked | |
| 13:29 | oleonard | I didn't think mine were either |
| 13:29 | Are they locked at the budget level or the fund level? | |
| 13:34 | nengard | fund level |
| 13:34 | no | |
| 13:34 | buddget | |
| 13:34 | budget | |
| 13:34 | see manual 1.5.2.1 Add a budget | |
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| 13:35 | nengard | http://koha-community.org/docu[…]19#budgetplanning |
| 13:37 | mib_pockr6 | Hi there... |
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| 13:38 | mib_pockr6 | can anybody help me in two things? |
| 13:39 | First: It is possible to block a patron to reserve books that he already have? | |
| 13:41 | nengard | koha does that automatically - you cannot place a hold on a book you already have a hold on |
| 13:41 | at least it used to :) | |
| 13:41 | mib_pockr6 | I've tested now and it is possible :/ |
| 13:43 | it is some system preference? | |
| 13:43 | nengard | love patch for bug 4389 - signed off!!! |
| 13:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4389 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Trigger quick slip print on empty checkout submit |
| 13:44 | oleonard | nengard: Are you sure it used to? |
| 13:44 | nengard | yes cause it pissed people off :) |
| 13:44 | i always remember people getting annoyed at me | |
| 13:44 | during training | |
| 13:44 | oleonard | Ah you would remember that then |
| 13:44 | nengard | it's a bug report actually ... hang on |
| 13:45 | bug 4239 | |
| 13:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4239 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Allow holds on multiple items of selected titles |
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| 13:46 | kf | nengard: hm, I think what mib... asks is if you can prevent people from placing holds on items they have checked out? because you can't |
| 13:46 | nengard | oh! |
| 13:46 | chris_n | g'morning |
| 13:46 | nengard | sorry you're right |
| 13:46 | kf | there is a bug report for that too :) |
| 13:46 | nengard | LOL |
| 13:46 | kf | because it annoys my people hehe |
| 13:46 | mib_pockr6 | so it's a koha byg |
| 13:46 | *bug? | |
| 13:46 | kf | it's a feature... it seems |
| 13:46 | nengard | heh |
| 13:46 | kf | but a debatable one |
| 13:46 | nengard | do you know the bug number? |
| 13:47 | oleonard | It's neither a bug nor a feature, it's just the way it is. :) |
| 13:47 | mib_pockr6 | for me it's a bug LOL because the library wants to prevent that |
| 13:48 | kf | nengard: searching... seems I added a comment to an existing bug, makes it harder to find it |
| 13:48 | oleonard | To configure that policy is feature Koha lacks, let's put it that way mib_pockr6 |
| 13:48 | nengard | kf, with so many bug reports searching can be difficult i do agree |
| 13:49 | oleonard | mib_pockr6: I can certainly see the utility of having that option |
| 13:49 | kf | bug 3551 |
| 13:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3551 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, patron able to place hold on book he already has |
| 13:50 | kf | nengard: hm. do you see a possibility that this might be covered by the holds rewrite? |
| 13:50 | nengard | kf that's a question for sekjal |
| 13:50 | mib_pockr6 | :| that's a problem to me... there isn't any patch to solve it? |
| 13:50 | nengard | not at this time |
| 13:51 | oleonard | mib_pockr6: There can't be a patch for it until someone decides that this is a problem worth patching |
| 13:51 | mib_pockr6: That means that you could be the one! | |
| 13:52 | sekjal | at this time, it's more of a feature to have this enabled. this way, patrons can have one volume of a multi-part set out, and a hold on the next volume |
| 13:52 | once multiple holds can be placed on a single biblio, we'll need to reevaluate | |
| 13:52 | mib_pockr6 | I can help in the proccess because i've good perl knowledges... |
| 13:52 | kf | hm. |
| 13:53 | oleonard | sekjal: Of course if they have item-level holds turned off... |
| 13:53 | kf | yep, I think oleonard is right, it should only allow item level holds, not an additional title level hold |
| 13:54 | sekjal | why would a patron place a hold on an item they already have? |
| 13:54 | paul_p | jumping in the discussion: I agree it's debatable: a school can find usefull to have a teacher with a check-out placing a hold on another item for a student of his team |
| 13:55 | (hello everybody) | |
| 13:55 | oleonard | sekjal: So that when it was time to return it they were sure to be next in line in the hold queue? |
| 13:55 | kf | mid-air collision! |
| 13:55 | sekjal | oleonard: as a way of gaming longer loan periods? |
| 13:55 | kf | sekjal: I think about students during exams. they will do almost everything to make sure they can keep a book |
| 13:55 | making it hard for others | |
| 13:55 | paul_p | oleonard, in this case, the teacher won't return his book, just check out 2 at the same time : one for him, one for the student |
| 13:55 | oleonard | I think that's the fear sekjal |
| 13:56 | paul_p | kf, good argument too. I fear it's a problem that each library will want to solve differently... |
| 13:56 | kf | yes, and perhaps different for different types of libraries |
| 13:56 | mib_pockr6 | I agree with kf.... |
| 13:56 | sekjal | have any Koha libraries found people doing this, or is it just a theoretical exploit at this time? |
| 13:57 | mib_pockr6 | it's a possibility to have the book for longer periods of time... |
| 13:57 | which if a problem if the others patrons wanted the book too | |
| 13:58 | tcohen | i need advice on something that is being discussed on patches for 3.2.x |
| 13:58 | kf | sekjal: I can imagine that happening |
| 13:58 | mib_pockr6 | (by the way my name is Vitor Fernandes, maybe you've already read some of my questions on the mailing list) |
| 13:58 | tcohen | i submitted a patch against master (for pre-tt master actually) |
| 13:58 | kf | sekjal: I have seen them put holds on different editions, just to get one |
| 13:58 | tcohen | it was rebased for tt |
| 13:58 | (pushed) | |
| 13:59 | the patch for template::pro doesn't apply cleanly on 3.2.x | |
| 13:59 | should I commit a new patch fr 3.2.x or wait for changes in pre-tt master be cherry picked by chris_n? | |
| 14:01 | sekjal | so to exploit this bug, the patron would need to get out the material, then place a hold on it and have that hold get to the top of the queue just about the time the material would be due? |
| 14:02 | chris_n | tcohen: if the patch will not apply cleanly to 3.2.x you should submit separately |
| 14:02 | mib_pockr6 | so if I want to block the reserves I've to change the code.... C4::Reserves maybe? |
| 14:02 | chris_n | otherwise, note in the commit message that it should be applied to 3.2.x and I'll pick it from master |
| 14:03 | tcohen | chris_n: no problem then, bugzilla will have patch for master (already pushed), patch for pre-tt master, and for 3.2.x branch |
| 14:04 | the problem is that it changes 2 files not present in 3.2.x right now | |
| 14:04 | chris_n | which? |
| 14:04 | wahanui | it has been said that which is not which |
| 14:04 | tcohen | modules/members/printfeercpt.tmpl |
| 14:05 | chris_n | which bug I mean; sorry |
| 14:05 | tcohen | modules/members/printinvoice.tmpl |
| 14:05 | Bug 6126 | |
| 14:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6126 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Slip print doesn't work on Webkit based browsers |
| 14:06 | tcohen | i already have the patch for 3.2.x |
| 14:07 | but i know i'll find more situations like this | |
| 14:12 | chris_n | tcohen: this is related to bug 4389? |
| 14:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4389 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Trigger quick slip print on empty checkout submit |
| 14:12 | tcohen | not directly |
| 14:13 | but bug 4389 happens not to work on webkit based browsers | |
| 14:13 | because of a bug patch for 6126 solves | |
| 14:13 | chris_n | I'm confused as to what files are missing in 3.2.x which are not included in the patch set for 6126 |
| 14:14 | tcohen | patch for 4389 add a feature to circulation.tmpl/tt |
| 14:15 | chris_n | ahh... new features are not backported to 3.2.x |
| 14:15 | tcohen | patch for 6126 fixes a bug in moremember-receipt.tmpl, printfeercpt.tmpl and printinvoice.tmpl |
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| 14:17 | tcohen | chris_n: so, patch for 3.2.x, for 4389 wont be applied |
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| 14:17 | tcohen | the patch that fixes bug in 6126 should be ported |
| 14:17 | chris_n | tcohen: if it depends on 6126, no |
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| 14:18 | chris_n | if 6126 is a truly "new" feature, that is |
| 14:18 | sorry | |
| 14:18 | 6126/ | |
| 14:18 | 4389 that is | |
| 14:18 | * chris_n | cannot seem to type this morning |
| 14:18 | jcamins | Hello, library_systems_guy. |
| 14:18 | tcohen | hehe |
| 14:19 | wizzyrea | wb library_systems_guy |
| 14:19 | tcohen | 4389 is enh, 6126 a bugfix that should/could be applied to 3.2.x |
| 14:19 | chris_n | tcohen: if 6126 depends on files added by 4389 then it will not be back ported is what i'm trying to type :-P |
| 14:19 | library_systems_guy | thx wizzyrea |
| 14:19 | chris_n | otherwise, I just need a complete patch set so that 6126 applies cleanly to 3.2.x |
| 14:19 | tcohen | ok, i get it: those bugs are unrelated |
| 14:19 | chris_n | make sense? |
| 14:20 | library_systems_guy | sup jarrod |
| 14:20 | jcamins | Jared. ;) |
| 14:20 | * chris_n | 's brain got twisted up during the tornadoes apparently |
| 14:20 | wizzyrea | :( boo tornadoes |
| 14:20 | jcamins | library_systems_guy: if you don't already know about it, you'll probably want to browse the jQuery library on the wiki at some point: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library |
| 14:21 | tcohen | 6126 is a bug, 4389 is a feature (that happens to fail to work if 6126 is not applied, webkit problems) |
| 14:21 | wizzyrea | jquery library? |
| 14:21 | wahanui | jquery library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library |
| 14:21 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 14:21 | library_systems_guy | w00t |
| 14:22 | nengard | hey library_systems_guy |
| 14:22 | wahanui | well, library_systems_guy is mumbling about finding something |
| 14:22 | nengard | hehe |
| 14:22 | guess someone taught wahanui that on Friday | |
| 14:23 | library_systems_guy | i was mumblink |
| 14:24 | mumbling* | |
| 14:24 | man i can't type | |
| 14:24 | must be monday | |
| 14:24 | wizzyrea | wahanui: forget library_systems_guy |
| 14:25 | silly bot | |
| 14:25 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot library_systems_guy |
| 14:25 | wizzyrea | there you are |
| 14:25 | library_systems_guy | oops i forgot that was the bot |
| 14:25 | should rename it troll bot | |
| 14:25 | So I was thinking about my Git issue that I was having when Nicole was here last week | |
| 14:26 | and If i did a standard install to /var/share/koha and i did the checkout from /home/koha/kohaclone | |
| 14:26 | how do the new template files get into the cgi-bin? | |
| 14:27 | sekjal | library_systems_guy: you'd need to rerun make |
| 14:27 | library_systems_guy | oh man that sucks |
| 14:28 | jcamins | If you're using git, do a dev install. |
| 14:28 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 14:28 | library_systems_guy | ok |
| 14:28 | then just path everything from there | |
| 14:29 | is doing a dev install stable for production? | |
| 14:29 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 14:29 | kf | yep |
| 14:29 | library_systems_guy | is that install process in the doc anywhere? |
| 14:30 | wizzyrea | version control using git? |
| 14:30 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git | |
| 14:30 | kf | the only thing you have to do is choose dev instead of standard when you install koha |
| 14:30 | wizzyrea | version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 14:30 | version control using git? | |
| 14:30 | wahanui | i guess version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 14:30 | wizzyrea | sign off on patches? |
| 14:30 | sign of on patches is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gn_off_on_patches | |
| 14:31 | sign off on patches? | |
| 14:32 | library_systems_guy | I'll be back later, have a koha implementation meeting...joy |
| 14:33 | wizzyrea | you can bring us with you! |
| 14:33 | library_systems_guy | oh man that'd be awesome...I could put you guys on the projector |
| 14:33 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 14:34 | :) | |
| 14:34 | I've done that | |
| 14:34 | (but I usually warn them) | |
| 14:34 | library_systems_guy | haha |
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| 14:34 | oleonard | You gotta warn us so we can put on pants |
| 14:34 | library_systems_guy | yeah guys no crazy-ness in the irc |
| 14:35 | psh whatever meetings are no fun with pants | |
| 14:36 | nengard | :) |
| 14:37 | I had #koha open while training, why not during a meeting? | |
| 14:37 | then we can answer questions | |
| 14:38 | library_systems_guy | NICOLE!!! |
| 14:38 | wahanui | it has been said that nicole is not, though. |
| 14:39 | mib_pockr6 | guys another questions (reserves is a "bug" of Koha)... it is possible to remove the option to forgive fines in the circulation? (because the librarians can use it as they want it, which is a problem) |
| 14:39 | kf | jquery |
| 14:40 | there is no permission about that (sadly) but you could hide it | |
| 14:40 | mib_pockr6 | ok... thanks... it has to be hardcoded or by CSS right? |
| 14:41 | library_systems_guy | headed up...be back soon |
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| 14:41 | wizzyrea | wahanui: forget nicole |
| 14:41 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot nicole |
| 14:44 | kf | jquery would be javascript |
| 14:44 | not sure if you can do it by css... perhaps you can | |
| 14:44 | using display none | |
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| 14:45 | library_systems_guy | back :) |
| 14:47 | jcamins | library_systems_guy: that was your meeting? |
| 14:47 | library_systems_guy | no |
| 14:47 | its about to start | |
| 14:48 | wizzyrea | I think he's in the meeting now ;) |
| 14:48 | library_systems_guy | in about 10 mins |
| 14:49 | too bad I can't put you guys on conference on the meeting :P | |
| 14:50 | wizzyrea | heh |
| 14:51 | library_systems_guy | what OS do you guys use to run koha? any preference? |
| 14:51 | jcamins | Debian! |
| 14:51 | wizzyrea | debian |
| 14:51 | jcamins | Definitely Debian. |
| 14:51 | wizzyrea | (or ubuntu) |
| 14:51 | (if you have to) | |
| 14:51 | jcamins | anything_not_debian-- |
| 14:51 | library_systems_guy | heh ok...well i had it on ubuntu |
| 14:51 | but im about to try a debian install | |
| 14:52 | after this meeting | |
| 14:52 | i think | |
| 14:52 | jcamins | Ubuntu is okay. |
| 14:52 | anything_not_debian_or_ubuntu-- | |
| 14:52 | library_systems_guy | what is its shortcoming? |
| 14:52 | wizzyrea | dependency packaging |
| 14:53 | debian has more of them packages | |
| 14:53 | library_systems_guy | fair enough |
| 14:53 | wizzyrea | them as* |
| 14:53 | I can't think of anything else though | |
| 14:53 | ubuntu is fine really | |
| 14:53 | it's basically debian | |
| 14:53 | library_systems_guy | it seemed to work ok |
| 14:53 | and i agree | |
| 14:54 | there is some other software that doesn't work with ubuntu but works on debian that the university uses | |
| 14:54 | so debain doesn't seem like a bad option | |
| 14:55 | people starting to arrive at meeting | |
| 14:55 | fair warning | |
| 14:56 | not that you guys have to stop talking lol | |
| 14:56 | wizzyrea | < staff meeting |
| 14:56 | mtj | there's many more Koha devs running debian that ubuntu, so you get better help from them |
| 14:56 | thats why i run debian | |
| 14:57 | library_systems_guy | good point mtj |
| 14:57 | wizzyrea | ^^ also a good reason |
| 14:57 | not quite yet on the staff meeting | |
| 14:57 | walked in and only 2 people there, walked out again. :P | |
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| 14:59 | library_systems_guy | calling it...fashionably late |
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| 15:03 | kf | nengard: reading your list of questions on the mailing list |
| 15:03 | 2 of them are regarding developments I did :) | |
| 15:04 | nengard | oooo |
| 15:04 | so you can help me? :) | |
| 15:04 | kf | I hope |
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| 15:04 | nengard | i'm looking for librarian english explanations ;) not developer explanations |
| 15:04 | that's where i'm stuck | |
| 15:04 | kf | no, nothing in the data will change in data for the new state field |
| 15:04 | nengard | that i figured |
| 15:04 | was just confirming | |
| 15:04 | kf | sorry, bad english, but you understand |
| 15:04 | and I can confirm | |
| 15:04 | jcamins | nengard: I explained UseControlNumber in librarian English. Just not layperson English. :P |
| 15:05 | nengard | jcamins - OH YES YOU DID!! |
| 15:05 | I have taht saved on my computer | |
| 15:05 | i just forgot about | |
| 15:05 | thanks | |
| 15:05 | kf | I think you could write a script to do some of it - but someone else should figure that out |
| 15:05 | we don#t even have states | |
| 15:05 | and I sent you sample records | |
| 15:05 | :) | |
| 15:05 | for the usecontrolnumber thing | |
| 15:06 | nengard | you are right |
| 15:06 | sorry i forgot about that | |
| 15:06 | kf | I can imagine your todo list is as long or longer than mine |
| 15:12 | slef | gmcharlt: it seems that the 3M SIP 3.0 discussion is 3h later today. I only noticed that after wondering why I was still the first participant there even after discovering that one of my phones can't access their teleconference system. |
| 15:13 | gmcharlt | slef: oy |
| 15:13 | slef | (3M only give meeting times in some random US abbreviation not -xxxx format) |
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| 15:15 | nengard | jcamins - does the 78x field need the symbol before the control number? |
| 15:15 | jcamins | nengard: no. |
| 15:15 | nengard | k |
| 15:15 | jcamins | No symbol. |
| 15:15 | nengard | you have $w(YrSymbol)12345 in the notes |
| 15:16 | and YrSymbol in the 003 | |
| 15:16 | jcamins | Yeah, it should just be $w12345 |
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| 15:17 | nengard | kf in the samples you gave me you have the symbol in there |
| 15:18 | kf | hm, don't think so |
| 15:18 | not in the $w subfields | |
| 15:18 | or i send you the wrong files | |
| 15:19 | the symbol should be in 003 but not in parentheses in front of the $w | |
| 15:19 | nengard | 785 00 - SUCCEEDING ENTRY |
| 15:19 | i Display text Forts. | |
| 15:19 | a Main entry heading Fachinformationszentrum Technik / s | |
| 15:19 | t Title FIZ Technik / Maschinenbau | |
| 15:19 | w Record control number (DE-576)057735654 | |
| 15:19 | w Record control number (DE-600)1360045-x | |
| 15:20 | and that finds no results, but if I change it to just the number it works | |
| 15:20 | at least now i understand enough to write the manual | |
| 15:20 | kf | oh |
| 15:20 | I really send you the wrong file :( | |
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| 15:23 | kf | nengard: I am sorry |
| 15:23 | can send you the right file if you want to? | |
| 15:23 | nengard | kf no problem at all!! |
| 15:23 | I don't need a new file, I have it all working | |
| 15:24 | kf | ok |
| 15:24 | and sorry for causing confusion | |
| 15:26 | http://www.oclc.org/news/releases/2011/201121.htm ! | |
| 15:27 | a lot of public libraries use BOND around here. | |
| 15:28 | but it's time to go home - bye all | |
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| 15:56 | library_systems_guy | Well that meeting went way better than I thought |
| 16:06 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 16:08 | library_systems_guy | how was your meeting wizzyrea |
| 16:08 | wizzyrea | best way to spend time ever! |
| 16:08 | library_systems_guy | lol exactly |
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| 16:09 | * wizzyrea | goes to check the logs... |
| 16:14 | jcamins | Does anyone remember a recent browse shelf bug? |
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| 16:15 | cait | hi #koha |
| 16:16 | library_systems_guy | hi cait |
| 16:16 | cait | hi library_systems_guy |
| 16:16 | library_systems_guy | I think nengard mentioned something about that bug jcamins |
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| 16:17 | nengard | i did? |
| 16:17 | library_systems_guy | yeah in our meeting |
| 16:17 | wizzyrea | what was the bug? |
| 16:17 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5500 | |
| 16:17 | huginn | 04Bug 5500: major, P5, ---, pianohacker, NEW, shelf browse changing bib record |
| 16:17 | wizzyrea | this one jcamins? |
| 16:17 | nengard | there is one where if you scroll to the next list... yeah that one |
| 16:17 | library_systems_guy | yeah that one |
| 16:17 | cait | thought that was fixed |
| 16:18 | wizzyrea | also this http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5138 |
| 16:18 | huginn | 04Bug 5138: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Erroneous display for OPACShelfBrowser with GoogleJackets enabled |
| 16:18 | nengard | that i didn't know about cause i don't use google jackets :) |
| 16:18 | library_systems_guy | amazon ftw |
| 16:18 | jcamins | Hm, no, I'm getting... odd... results with browse shelf. |
| 16:19 | It's skipping from 003 to 300 (for example), but there are records with call numbers in between. | |
| 16:20 | wizzyrea | that does seem odd. Books in between cataloged correctly? |
| 16:20 | jcamins | Seem to be. |
| 16:20 | What's really odd is it seems to do this for *all* books. | |
| 16:21 | So it also skips from 003 to 280. | |
| 16:21 | wizzyrea | ! |
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| 16:22 | jcamins | http://vokal.kohavt.org/cgi-bi[…]8901#shelfbrowser and http://vokal.kohavt.org/cgi-bi[…]0605#shelfbrowser |
| 16:22 | Actually, it's 001.9 to whatever. | |
| 16:24 | nengard | hey - what patch changed the email labels to primary and secondary - and why didn't it fix the phone labels as well? |
| 16:25 | * chris_n | is on to squashing a bit more of the utf8 labels encoding monster bug |
| 16:25 | oleonard | jcamins: Check the new "shelfbrowseruses*" prefs? |
| 16:26 | jcamins | Ooh, I bet that's it. |
| 16:26 | wizzyrea | nengard: that seems like something I would do, but I imagine that if I didn't change the phone numbers it was because there was a compelling argument not to |
| 16:27 | though I don't remember what it is :P | |
| 16:27 | nengard | hehe |
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| 16:27 | jcamins | Oh, weird.s |
| 16:27 | wizzyrea | wb NCAR |
| 16:27 | NCAR | howdy |
| 16:27 | jcamins | s/s$// |
| 16:27 | Mystery solved. | |
| 16:28 | NCAR | is Galen around today? |
| 16:28 | jcamins | Actually, I'm not sure if the mystery was solved. |
| 16:29 | Yup. Mystery solved. | |
| 16:29 | No cnsort. | |
| 16:30 | cait | mystery solved ;) |
| 16:30 | chris_n: utf-8 encoding monster bug?? | |
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| 16:31 | jcamins | Rrwawrr! |
| 16:31 | ^^ that was the bug | |
| 16:31 | chris_n | cait: the pdf standard does not handle utf8 well |
| 16:31 | jcamins | Or possibly Myshkin chasing it. |
| 16:31 | cait | ah |
| 16:31 | jcamins | Probably the latter. |
| 16:31 | cait | I misunderstood labels |
| 16:31 | chris_n | but the problem seems to be exacerbated by PDF::Reuse |
| 16:31 | cait | Myshkin++ |
| 16:32 | chris_n | and I think I'm on to a fix for some of the "wide character" errors |
| 16:32 | cait | is Paul around here? |
| 16:32 | probably not | |
| 16:32 | wizzyrea | he left just a few minutes ago I think |
| 16:32 | * cait | feels totally misunderstood |
| 16:32 | hdl | cait: ? |
| 16:32 | cait | not paul_p - the one from the mailing list |
| 16:33 | wizzyrea | ohh |
| 16:33 | no clue | |
| 16:33 | :) | |
| 16:33 | gmcharlt | @later tell NCAR yes |
| 16:33 | huginn | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:33 | jcamins | No, I don't think he's on IRC. |
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| 16:33 | hdl | hi Brooke_ you're scaring me away ;) |
| 16:33 | have a nice day folks. | |
| 16:34 | Brooke_ | *gasp* |
| 16:34 | cheers hdl | |
| 16:34 | cait | bye hdl |
| 16:35 | hae a nice evening | |
| 16:35 | and hi Brooke | |
| 16:35 | Brooke_++ for being right | |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea | hi brooke! |
| 16:36 | Brooke_ | me feels the <3, excepting from flying Frenchmen. |
| 16:36 | wizzyrea | :) |
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| 16:38 | nengard | has anyone tested the OPACMySummaryHTML preference since switching to TT? |
| 16:38 | I'm not getting it work | |
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| 16:48 | nengard is now known as nengard_lunch | |
| 16:49 | jcamins | cheddar_oregano_buttermilk_biscuits++ |
| 16:49 | wizzyrea | NOM |
| 16:50 | cait | oooh! |
| 16:50 | nengard: probably not :( | |
| 16:52 | jcamins | Joy of cooking buttermilk biscuits + 1 c. shredded cheddar + oregano, garlic powder, and red pepper flakes to taste = happy jcamins |
| 16:52 | wizzyrea | ok yes, that sounds like the best biscuit ever |
| 16:52 | like the red lobster ones but spicier | |
| 16:53 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 16:53 | I've never actually had the Red Lobster biscuits, but that's why I make them. | |
| 16:53 | Shari really likes Red Lobster biscuits. | |
| 16:53 | wizzyrea | they are righteous gut bombs, but yummy. |
| 16:54 | jcamins | Actually, there's one other customization to the recipe: instead of using butter I use shortening from bacon. |
| 16:54 | wizzyrea | hahahahahaha... I can't even... that's so awesome. |
| 16:55 | jcamins | Why waste it, right? |
| 16:55 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 16:55 | jcamins | And shortening really makes for *much* fluffier biscuits than butter. |
| 16:56 | wizzyrea | ...I just realized I'm not connected to freenode. |
| 16:56 | hrm | |
| 16:57 | * oleonard | considers the positive benefits of needing a lot of bacon grease to be left over |
| 16:59 | jcamins | oleonard: the alternative is collecting jars to put it in so you can throw it away, where it does no one any good. |
| 17:00 | oleonard | The alternative I'm experiencing is not cooking enough bacon. |
| 17:00 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 17:01 | * jcamins | likes to have bacon omelets for breakfast every so often. |
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| 17:05 | * chris_n | looks for someone with label utf8 encoding issues to test a patch |
| 17:09 | oleonard | I've got 99 problems but label utf8 encoding issues ain't one. |
| 17:15 | nengard_lunch | hey looks like things aren't loading on this page: http://koha-community.org/get-involved/ |
| 17:15 | can someone point me to the list of patches that need sign off | |
| 17:16 | jcamins | Works fine for me. |
| 17:16 | nengard_lunch | i forget where the link is |
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| 17:16 | jcamins | nengard: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]gnoff&sharer_id=1 |
| 17:23 | * chris_n | creates his own encoding issue by adding some hindi as well as misc diacriticals to some titles |
| 17:24 | cait | hehe |
| 17:24 | chris_n | this is definitely only a way around an ungraceful death |
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| 17:24 | chris_n | not a fix of the problem by any stretch |
| 17:32 | nengard | ooops ... what happens if you type 'git am -3 -i -u' without the name of the patch ... i hit enter too soon |
| 17:33 | and it seems to be hanging | |
| 17:33 | jcamins | It's waiting for you to type in the patch by hand. |
| 17:34 | Hit Ctrl-C and try again. | |
| 17:34 | nengard | oh cool |
| 17:34 | thanks | |
| 17:34 | um | |
| 17:34 | it didn't like that | |
| 17:34 | cat: /home/nengard/kohaclone/.git/rebase-apply/next: No such file or directory | |
| 17:34 | previous rebase directory /home/nengard/kohaclone/.git/rebase-apply still exists but mbox given. | |
| 17:34 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 17:34 | git rebase --abort | |
| 17:35 | git am --abort, sorry | |
| 17:35 | nengard | nengarddebian:~/kohaclone$ git am --abort |
| 17:35 | Resolve operation not in progress, we are not resuming. | |
| 17:35 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 17:36 | nengard | that's not promising |
| 17:36 | jcamins | I'm out of ideas. --abort usually works for me. |
| 17:37 | Let me try and replicate what you did. | |
| 17:37 | nengard | anyone else ... cause now things are really borked |
| 17:37 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 17:38 | Mine is working fine after that. | |
| 17:38 | cait | nengard: what does a git branch give you? |
| 17:38 | nengard | my list of branches |
| 17:39 | wait | |
| 17:39 | seems to be okay .. let me try | |
| 17:39 | cait | on which branch are you on |
| 17:39 | *? | |
| 17:39 | jcamins | nengard: did you run both git rebase --abort _and_ git am --abort? |
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| 17:39 | jcamins | If I do that, I get the same message you did. |
| 17:40 | nengard | jcamins it's working |
| 17:41 | jcamins | nengard: yay! |
| 17:41 | nengard | don't know what the errors were about |
| 17:41 | but i started again and it worked | |
| 17:41 | patches signed off | |
| 17:46 | chris_n | nengard: git reset --hard HEAD also |
| 17:53 | rangi | wow that guy is annoying |
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| 17:55 | nengard | guy? |
| 17:55 | rangi | koha-devel list |
| 17:55 | nengard | oh okay |
| 17:55 | rangi | cait spends time helping him out, and he uses it as an opportunity to just whine more |
| 17:56 | cait | rangi: thank you |
| 17:56 | jcamins | Yeah, I've decided not to try and help. |
| 17:56 | nengard: did you sign off on bug 5683? | |
| 17:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5683 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, REOPENED, link_bibs_to_authorities.pl can corrupt records |
| 17:57 | nengard | nope ... i have no idea how to test that |
| 17:57 | jcamins | Run the test in the second patch. |
| 17:57 | In that case you signed off on bug 5859. | |
| 17:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5859 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Can't set character encoding with stage MARC records |
| 17:57 | jcamins | Yep. |
| 17:57 | That's the one you signed off on. I found it in my e-mail. | |
| 17:59 | rangi | jcamins: i was gonna ignore him too until his last email |
| 18:00 | nengard | k |
| 18:01 | jcamins | (from my comment on the bug report: For testing it may be better to apply the second follow-up patch first (and run |
| 18:01 | perl t/db_dependent/Biblio.t), to confirm the incorrect behavior exists, and | |
| 18:01 | then apply the first follow-up patch to fix it (and rerun the test). | |
| 18:04 | Of course, the only thing that matters is that the new tests pass in Master, so it's not critical to apply the second first. | |
| 18:11 | rangi | stay classy sirsi dynix |
| 18:11 | http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ytext.pl?RC=15617 | |
| 18:11 | nengard | oh for crying out loud |
| 18:12 | rangi | the death throes of a stuffed business |
| 18:12 | it'll do this for about 10 more years | |
| 18:12 | once you start suing libraries | |
| 18:12 | you know you are screwed | |
| 18:13 | jcamins | Did they sue a library for not choosing their software? |
| 18:13 | rangi | they probably have a legal case |
| 18:13 | chose it, changed their minds | |
| 18:14 | sd still want the 150k | |
| 18:15 | cos it was a binding contract | |
| 18:16 | As a direct consequence of CPC Regional’s breach of this covenant, SirsiDynix has suffered injuries and damages in the amount of $146,844.80. | |
| 18:16 | even tho they never implemented it | |
| 18:16 | library_systems_guy | jesus |
| 18:16 | thats a lot of cash | |
| 18:16 | oleonard | I suffered injuries and damages in the amount of 56 million dollars when I didn't win that much in the lottery. |
| 18:16 | rhcl | bad planning on CPC's part too, methinks. |
| 18:16 | * chris_n | wonders what consideration was actually rendered in this context |
| 18:17 | rangi | yes bad planning |
| 18:17 | library_systems_guy | i suffered injuries using Sirsi Symphony...can i sue |
| 18:17 | rangi | they should never have signed with a stupid evil company |
| 18:17 | if you sign a contract that says you have to pay some 150k whether you use their software or not | |
| 18:17 | oleonard | But they're so big they must be good, right? Everyone else is doing it! |
| 18:18 | rangi | then yes, you almost deserve it |
| 18:18 | chris_n | I'm still curious as to what consideration binds the contract if said company did nothing other than quote and sign |
| 18:19 | rhcl | let me re-read, but didn't CPC sign? |
| 18:19 | rangi | probably a condition in the contract that says, you pay us this no matter what |
| 18:19 | yes they signed, and under us law that might be valid | |
| 18:19 | cait | probably a long complicated contract |
| 18:19 | rhcl | "After entering into the Master Agreement with SirsiDynix, CPC Regional " |
| 18:19 | rangi | in nz, you do have to actually render services to get payment |
| 18:19 | chris_n | consideration is typically money or tangibles |
| 18:19 | rangi: in NC too, iirc | |
| 18:20 | rangi | so the court here would probably say, what, you can have 5k |
| 18:20 | chris_n | ie you cannot bill services in advance |
| 18:20 | rangi | thats how much it cost you to draft |
| 18:20 | that quote and contract | |
| 18:20 | now go away | |
| 18:20 | chris_n: *nod* | |
| 18:21 | chris_n | but it may be the old "sue and hope they settle instead of fight" line |
| 18:21 | rangi | what it looks like to me is they are having a crack at oclc |
| 18:21 | who are no saints themselves | |
| 18:21 | cait | have you seen they bought BOND? |
| 18:21 | rangi | and cpc is the pawn in the middle |
| 18:21 | cait | oclc |
| 18:21 | rangi | cait: they buy everything |
| 18:21 | cait | hmpf. |
| 18:22 | yeah, they do | |
| 18:22 | rangi | cait: they will never cope with all your localised german changes tho |
| 18:22 | :) | |
| 18:22 | cait | they do |
| 18:22 | BOND is a German company, it's THE system used in public libraries | |
| 18:22 | rangi | quick add some more fields to 952 |
| 18:23 | * cait | pouts |
| 18:23 | rangi | cait: $20 |
| 18:23 | jcamins | What is a pub file? |
| 18:23 | tcohen | a tool to valida marcxml? |
| 18:23 | rangi | says they move people slowly off it, to their 'webscale' thingy |
| 18:23 | jcamins | MS Publisher. |
| 18:23 | Eww. | |
| 18:24 | tcohen | s/valida/validate/ |
| 18:24 | (from command line) | |
| 18:24 | rangi | even 150k ... is it really worth the publicity? |
| 18:25 | jcamins | publicity == good |
| 18:25 | rangi | when the publicity is, sirsi sues people? |
| 18:25 | i know im gonna be dining out on that in sales talks for months | |
| 18:26 | 'With Koha, we won't even sue you if you change your mind" | |
| 18:26 | cait | lol |
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| 18:26 | * cait | stops pouting |
| 18:28 | rangi | naw, hes only 5th |
| 18:28 | https://twitter.com/#!/ranginu[…]60047296536117248 | |
| 18:29 | cait | I know the paper |
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| 18:30 | cait | hm! |
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| 18:50 | * slef | is in a sip3 call |
| 18:51 | library_systems_guy | realized there is no sudo command in debian |
| 18:52 | slef | library_systems_guy: I use it most days! |
| 18:52 | library_systems_guy | o_0 |
| 18:52 | do you just do so root? | |
| 18:52 | su root* | |
| 18:52 | slef | no, I use sudo! |
| 18:53 | library_systems_guy | hmm |
| 18:53 | jcamins | library_systems_guy: just install sudo. apt-get install sudo |
| 18:53 | Then run visudo and give your user permissions. | |
| 18:53 | library_systems_guy | andddd...i feel retarded lol |
| 18:53 | thanks | |
| 18:53 | jcamins | Whoops, time to get ready and head to seder. |
| 18:54 | tcohen | fellows, is marclint a good way for checking marc data from koha's db? |
| 18:54 | jcamins | Happy passover, #koha |
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| 18:54 | slef | tcohen: it'll give you the basic problems. |
| 18:55 | nengard | welcome back library_systems_guy - how are things after your meeting? people still mad at me? :) |
| 18:55 | tcohen | slef: is there a similar tool for marcxml |
| 18:55 | ? | |
| 18:55 | library_systems_guy | nengard: haha well lets just say you are the talk of the library...you said the things i wish i could |
| 18:56 | nengard | oh boy |
| 18:56 | slef | tcohen: I've some xsl somewhere which transforms marcxml to warnings and errors, or you can convert it back to marc21 |
| 18:56 | nengard | well the #koha community will tell you that I'm certainly not known for sitting back and not speaking up :) |
| 18:56 | tcohen | slef: that sounds awesome |
| 18:56 | :D | |
| 18:57 | wizzyrea | nengard are you causing trouble again? |
| 18:57 | slef | tcohen: I think I got it from some university. mail me when I'm not in a meeting. |
| 18:57 | nengard | just speaking the truth |
| 18:57 | library_systems_guy | indeed she was |
| 18:57 | slef | bah, nengard is a diplomat compared to me :) |
| 18:57 | library_systems_guy | much needed truth |
| 18:57 | nengard | LOL - I do have to agree with slef |
| 18:57 | cait | hehe |
| 18:57 | wizzyrea | we love you both anyway ;) |
| 18:57 | nengard | then again slef has never been to one of my trainings |
| 18:58 | slef | nengard: pay my expenses :) |
| 18:58 | nengard | LOL |
| 18:58 | I just meant that you've never seen me when Koha is being attacked | |
| 18:58 | well .. i guess you have :) | |
| 18:58 | library_systems_guy | slef: she is vicious |
| 18:58 | nengard | HEY!! |
| 18:59 | be careful library_systems_guy #koha doesn't handle people picking on me well :) | |
| 18:59 | slef | off the phone. gmcharlt around? |
| 18:59 | library_systems_guy | nengard: it was a compliment |
| 18:59 | nengard | well okay then :) hehe |
| 18:59 | wizzyrea | vicious like an attack squirrel? |
| 18:59 | over the line? | |
| 19:00 | <3 | |
| 19:00 | gmcharlt | slef: yes |
| 19:00 | wizzyrea | no I'm teasing |
| 19:00 | gmcharlt | how did it go? |
| 19:00 | nengard | wizzyrea how was i supposed to take that ;) hehe |
| 19:00 | slef | gmcharlt: well, it seems most of the 3M sip3 calls is taken up by stepping through suggested changes. |
| 19:00 | wizzyrea | I was trying to think of a little but mighty critter |
| 19:00 | library_systems_guy | wizzyrea, if only i had an attack squirrel that was as awesome as nengard |
| 19:00 | wizzyrea | poison dart frog maybe? |
| 19:00 | nengard | awwww |
| 19:01 | * wizzyrea | imagines nengard as a tiny tree frog, giggles |
| 19:01 | rangi | badger |
| 19:01 | slef | gmcharlt: key changes today seemed to be adding "unsupported request" everywhere it could possibly go; and not allowing times to be omitted from timestamp fields. |
| 19:01 | rangi | back on of those into a corner and ull know about it |
| 19:02 | wizzyrea | which necessarily forces me to link this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIyixC9NsLI |
| 19:02 | nengard | i'm not sure how i feel about all this me as an animal talk |
| 19:02 | rangi | ok time to make the kids breakfast back from the bus later |
| 19:02 | slef | nengard: it could be wors.e An ex-cow-orker compared me to a squirrel. |
| 19:03 | nengard | wait- wizzyre just said i was an attack squirrel |
| 19:03 | wizzyrea | but probably not in a nice way |
| 19:03 | which is not what I meant >.> | |
| 19:03 | nengard | hehe |
| 19:03 | gmcharlt | slef: sounds reasonable |
| 19:03 | wizzyrea | i mean squirrels are cute, fuzzy, curious |
| 19:03 | slef | gmcharlt: I suggested replacing First Name and Last Name with Given Names and Surname, which seemed to be my sum total of useful contribution to that call. |
| 19:03 | wizzyrea | inventive, creative critters |
| 19:04 | gmcharlt | ... prone to hanging on my window screens, thereby teasing my cats mercilessly |
| 19:04 | wizzyrea | but they'll protect their nuts with a vicious fervor |
| 19:04 | nengard | the squirrels in my yard tease Beau |
| 19:04 | they run back and forth on the fence out of his reach and watch him try to catch them | |
| 19:04 | wizzyrea | oh that's so rude. |
| 19:04 | hehe | |
| 19:04 | slef | gmcharlt: so I'm not sure what koha should do about sip3. I think if we can get their jive-bs thing working, we could comment more time-efficiently there. |
| 19:05 | Question for anyone: can recent openoffice or libreoffice open docx and if so what version? | |
| 19:05 | wizzyrea | I believe libreoffice can |
| 19:06 | gmcharlt | slef: agreed. as far as what Koha should do, IMO, undo its OpenNCIP fork, then contribute patches to OpenNCIP as needed to become compliant with SIP3 |
| 19:06 | wizzyrea | I have the newest version, or one step back |
| 19:06 | nengard | slef opeoffice can too |
| 19:06 | * wizzyrea | doesn't keep open office around anymore |
| 19:06 | nengard | yeah i need to switch, i just haven't gotten to it |
| 19:06 | wizzyrea | though there was some promising talk from them this weekend re: oracle giving it back to the community |
| 19:06 | maybe it will unfork | |
| 19:07 | slef | http://www.libreoffice.org/features/writer/ says it can. |
| 19:07 | nengard | wizzyrea i read that article |
| 19:07 | oleonard | http://arstechnica.com/open-so[…]s-the-project.ars |
| 19:07 | wizzyrea | I probably saw it from you |
| 19:07 | nengard | not sure how to take it |
| 19:07 | oleonard | There are some great quotes in that article |
| 19:07 | wizzyrea | that pic is pretty funny too |
| 19:07 | slef | I think they've missed the boat and are tossing OOo into the water. Best chance it has is if it can merge into the boat before it drowns. |
| 19:08 | oleonard | "Oracle now has little choice but to abandon its commercial ambitions for OOo because the growing momentum of the more inclusive LibreOffice fork is making OOo irrelevant" |
| 19:08 | wizzyrea | @quote add "Oracle now has little choice but to abandon its commercial ambitions for OOo because the growing momentum of the more inclusive LibreOffice fork is making OOo irrelevant" |
| 19:08 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #127 added. |
| 19:08 | slef | gmcharlt: how's the unfork going? I've seen some emails on it, but not been watching closely. Are we SOL if PTFS won't release the liblime-developed patches? |
| 19:09 | oleonard | "When TDF was founded, the group's leadership invited Oracle to participate in the hope that the database giant would be willing to hand over the OOo trademark and allow the vendor-neutral governance body to take over stewardship of the project" |
| 19:09 | That sounds eerily familiar. | |
| 19:09 | wizzyrea | @quote add "When TDF was founded, the group's leadership invited Oracle to participate in the hope that the database giant would be willing to hand over the OOo trademark and allow the vendor-neutral governance body to take over stewardship of the project" |
| 19:09 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #128 added. |
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| 19:09 | gmcharlt | slef: haven't made much progress yes, but we're in good shape; PTFS-E has agreed to release theirs, and the number of LL-origin patches is small enough to cleanroom |
| 19:09 | wizzyrea | "The LibreOffice escape from Oracle is a powerful demonstration of how open source forking can be used to protect community autonomy and lock out exploitative stakeholders." |
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| 19:14 | wizzyrea | nengard, in the 3.4 manual, the permissions are all there? |
| 19:14 | the new permissions I mean | |
| 19:14 | slef | ok, I'm going to go get dinner now, unless anyone has any sip3 questions? |
| 19:14 | gmcharlt | slef: just one - was anything said about character sets? |
| 19:14 | nengard | wizzyrea, should be ... I just read through 300 commit messages and didn't see any new ones |
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| 19:15 | slef | gmcharlt: not during this call. Let me check what I can see of the docx |
| 19:15 | nengard | wizzyrea, should be ... I just read through 300 commit messages and didn't see any new ones |
| 19:15 | if you see a missing one let me know | |
| 19:15 | slef | gmcharlt: "Variable-length fields start with 2 field identifier characters, followed by UTF-8 , and end with a | (hexadecimal 7C)." |
| 19:16 | wizzyrea | k ty |
| 19:16 | gmcharlt | slef: yay |
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| 19:16 | slef | gmcharlt: hrm, I bet no-one's clarified what the maximum lengths mean now |
| 19:17 | gmcharlt | slef: characters, hopefully, but good point |
| 19:17 | wizzyrea | hmm the screencap is pretty out of date for the permissions |
| 19:17 | it's a pretty epic list nowadays | |
| 19:17 | nengard | that i didn't update because i can't fit them all on one screen :) |
| 19:17 | wizzyrea | gotcha |
| 19:17 | nengard | but I did define them all in the permissions defined section |
| 19:17 | slef | gmcharlt: which will mean implementers have to allow 4*characters bytes? |
| 19:18 | nengard | let me see how i can improve that screencap |
| 19:18 | gmcharlt | slef: sure - admittedly, a little strange for a format that has fixed-length fields to begin with, but it's not like SIP3 messages would be all that long to begin with |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | it would be a lot more work but maybe a cap of the section above each section? |
| 19:19 | instead of a monolith screencap? | |
| 19:19 | slef | gmcharlt: it looks like fixed-length fields are still ASCII |
| 19:19 | wizzyrea | or just list them out as clickable anchors |
| 19:19 | and forego the screencap | |
| 19:19 | slef | gmcharlt: ah no, I'm wrong: "The default character set will be UTF-8" |
| 19:20 | gmcharlt: so could this make fixed-length sizes backwards-incompatible as soon as UTF-8 is present in one? | |
| 19:21 | gmcharlt: so, forward progress, but approach with care. | |
| 19:21 | ok, any more questions? :) | |
| 19:22 | gmcharlt | slef: no, that's it |
| 19:22 | slef | I'm out to lunch^Wdinner :) |
| 19:23 | gmcharlt | bon appetit |
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| 19:44 | library_systems_guy | hi snail |
| 19:44 | snail | hello library_systems_guy |
| 19:45 | library_systems_guy | its kind of quiet in here today, and I'm kind of new |
| 19:45 | wizzyrea | hi snail :) |
| 19:45 | library_systems_guy | just thought id say hey |
| 19:46 | hey wizzyrea | |
| 19:46 | wahanui | rumour has it wizzyrea is a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 19:46 | yes? | |
| 19:46 | library_systems_guy | lol |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | silly wahanui |
| 19:46 | library_systems_guy | oh i thought you left |
| 19:47 | wizzyrea | nope. I'm working on my KUDOSCon presentation |
| 19:47 | library_systems_guy | do you just leave the config directory on default on the dev install? |
| 19:47 | wizzyrea | I do normally, yes |
| 19:47 | library_systems_guy | ok...wasn't sure if i should change it to /usr/share |
| 19:47 | wizzyrea | except for passwords, I usually leave it all default for dev |
| 19:48 | library_systems_guy | alright thanks |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | dunno what others do |
| 19:49 | library_systems_guy | thinks wizzyrea is right |
| 19:51 | nengard | library_systems_guy i thought we talked about you shortening that username :) |
| 19:52 | cait | listen to nengard ;) |
| 19:52 | nengard | hehe |
| 19:52 | library_systems_guy | I thought you were going to get tabbing? |
| 19:52 | nengard | told you my chat client doesn't have that function |
| 19:52 | library_systems_guy | but the name is sooo cool ;) |
| 19:53 | nengard | hehe |
| 19:53 | you can keep it | |
| 19:53 | i named you after all :) | |
| 19:53 | library_systems_guy | its true |
| 19:53 | you dubbed me library_systems_guy | |
| 19:53 | nengard | hehe |
| 19:53 | library_systems_guy | cait, do you not have tabbing either? |
| 19:54 | nengard | brb |
| 19:54 | fruit salad time | |
| 19:54 | library_systems_guy | mmm salad |
| 19:56 | rangi | back |
| 19:56 | library_systems_guy | wb rangi |
| 19:57 | cait | I always forget about tabbing |
| 19:57 | wb rangi | |
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| 20:02 | nengard | back |
| 20:02 | rangi | tcohen: you around? |
| 20:02 | tcohen | yeap |
| 20:03 | for a few minutes more i'll be here rangi | |
| 20:03 | rangi | did you see the message on the mailing list from unesco in uruguay |
| 20:03 | ? | |
| 20:03 | they were hoping a spanish speaker might help them | |
| 20:04 | tcohen | uh, i didn't |
| 20:04 | rangi | just came through |
| 20:04 | tcohen | i'll check my email |
| 20:05 | rangi | so I thought who is smart, knows koha and spanish, and there you were :) |
| 20:06 | tcohen | haha, no prob, i just wrote her |
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| 20:07 | rangi | thanks |
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| 20:10 | library_systems_guy | ok so everytime i install koha and go to load the web installer the page never comes up |
| 20:11 | so I generally have to go and add directory access to the opac and staff client in the koha.conf file | |
| 20:11 | I know i have to be doing something wrong | |
| 20:11 | rangi | hmm that has never happened to me |
| 20:12 | library_systems_guy | I don't think its ever happened to anybody but me lol |
| 20:12 | rangi | what comes up? |
| 20:12 | library_systems_guy | just a could not connect page |
| 20:12 | rangi | if you go to http://staffsite/ |
| 20:12 | SteveJ | I am glad to see that I am not the only one who always seems to encounter the unique problems. |
| 20:12 | wizzyrea | well you still have to configure your virtualhosts and restart apache |
| 20:13 | library_systems_guy | oh wait |
| 20:13 | i forgot the ports file | |
| 20:13 | rangi | that would do it |
| 20:13 | wizzyrea | nengard: do you know of a good online tool for timelines? |
| 20:14 | library_systems_guy | ok it let me in |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | yay! |
| 20:14 | library_systems_guy | but i got a software error this time |
| 20:14 | :'( | |
| 20:15 | Can't call method "config" on unblessed reference at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/Context.pm line 680 | |
| 20:15 | rangi | check your apache error logs |
| 20:15 | im better above that | |
| 20:15 | betting even | |
| 20:16 | that it complains about the db | |
| 20:17 | library_systems_guy | ive got nothing but nothing but notices |
| 20:17 | but they are all for python o_0 | |
| 20:17 | wizzyrea | what else have you got running on this box? |
| 20:17 | library_systems_guy | nothing |
| 20:17 | its a fresh install | |
| 20:20 | nengard | wizzyrea ... not off the top of my head |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | nengard: i found one, www.timetoast.com |
| 20:20 | just now trying it out | |
| 20:21 | library_systems_guy | rangi, just made sure the db was up and running with koha db in. looks good |
| 20:21 | rangi | cool, have u checked all the error logs? |
| 20:21 | library_systems_guy | not yet |
| 20:21 | just wanted to make sure i didn't miss anything in apache | |
| 20:22 | rangi | there should be a specific apache log for the opac, and staff side |
| 20:22 | might be in there | |
| 20:22 | not the main one | |
| 20:22 | library_systems_guy | i don't see those logs yet |
| 20:23 | err at all | |
| 20:23 | rangi | check the koha-httpd.conf |
| 20:23 | that will tell you where they are | |
| 20:24 | ok my stop | |
| 20:24 | bbiab | |
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| 20:26 | wizzyrea | nengard: http://support.dell.com/suppor[…]phics/bottom2.gif |
| 20:26 | ooo | |
| 20:26 | wrong | |
| 20:26 | lol | |
| 20:26 | http://www.timetoast.com/timelines/koha-releases | |
| 20:26 | that's what I intended :P | |
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| 20:26 | nengard | cool |
| 20:26 | and impressive :) | |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea | since it shows the days I think I'm going to go back and make it accurate |
| 20:30 | library_systems_guy | so the Koha error log says it can't locate koha-conf.xml |
| 20:30 | so i verified the export directory | |
| 20:30 | and it looks good | |
| 20:30 | anything else that I might be missing | |
| 20:31 | rangi | the SetENV bit? |
| 20:31 | library_systems_guy | where is that? |
| 20:31 | wahanui | that is a risk you have to take... ;-) |
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| 20:31 | rangi | in the koha-httpd.conf |
| 20:32 | SetEnv KOHA_CONF "/blah/blah/koha-conf.xml" | |
| 20:32 | library_systems_guy | yeah i have that set |
| 20:32 | correctly | |
| 20:32 | rangi | and its right? |
| 20:32 | library_systems_guy | yes it is |
| 20:32 | rangi | and most importantly |
| 20:32 | can www-data read it | |
| 20:32 | library_systems_guy | hmm |
| 20:33 | i can chgrp it just to be sure | |
| 20:33 | rangi | yeah id do that, make sure its not world readable, its got passwords ! :) |
| 20:33 | library_systems_guy | eek |
| 20:34 | i don't think that was it | |
| 20:34 | but | |
| 20:34 | perl5lib is set to /home/koha/kohaclone | |
| 20:35 | is that normal for a dev install? | |
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| 20:37 | cait | looks normal to me |
| 20:37 | library_systems_guy | hmm |
| 20:37 | well thats frustrating | |
| 20:38 | rangi | library_systems_guy: is that where you git checkout is ? |
| 20:38 | if so, thats the right place | |
| 20:38 | library_systems_guy | yeah it is |
| 20:38 | so thats good | |
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| 20:45 | library_systems_guy | so i went into Context.pm and added a warn to see if the path to the environment was correct and it is |
| 20:46 | rangi | if it cant read it, then im still picking permissions |
| 20:46 | check the permissions on the directory itself | |
| 20:50 | library_systems_guy | -rw-r--r-- 1 koha www-data 6460 Apr 18 10:39 koha-httpd.conf |
| 20:50 | rangi | on the dir? |
| 20:51 | cait | rangi: tried with files from pootle and new branch - it's a little better, but still a lot of things missing |
| 20:51 | library_systems_guy | drwxr-xr-x 4 koha www-data 4096 Apr 18 10:39 etc |
| 20:52 | rangi | hmm that should be fine then |
| 20:52 | library_systems_guy | yeah that is what i thought |
| 20:52 | hmm | |
| 20:52 | im stumped | |
| 20:52 | rangi | cait: bummer, so things that are in the .po file not showing up? how about if you update then install? |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | hm |
| 20:52 | cait | a good example is lists |
| 20:52 | the button on opac | |
| 20:52 | and the patron summary when you go into the account | |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | wait |
| 20:53 | cait | it still says welcome on top and click here , if you are not |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | I haven't ever had to set owner as www-data |
| 20:53 | rangi | wizzyrea: its not owner |
| 20:53 | cait | rangi: update to master or update po files? |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | er group - i may be high, just a sec |
| 20:54 | rangi | its group, and the user apache is running as does need to be able to read the file |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | ^^ what he said |
| 20:55 | rangi | cait: update po files |
| 20:55 | cait: probably wont work, but im out of ideas | |
| 20:56 | cait | will try |
| 20:56 | rangi | thanks |
| 20:59 | cait | rangi: I hope we can get opac working |
| 21:00 | rangi | me too |
| 21:00 | if not, we will just have to recommend that people who run in other languages wait for 3.4.1 | |
| 21:01 | cait | hm |
| 21:02 | rangi | either that or remove template toolkit |
| 21:02 | thats the 2 options really | |
| 21:03 | pastebot0 | "cait" at 78.51.140.207 pasted "updating pootle files" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/13 |
| 21:03 | rangi | i think waiting a month for 3.4.1 is the better of those 2 |
| 21:03 | cait | I agree |
| 21:03 | I have some errors for you in that paste | |
| 21:03 | rangi | considering german is the only one that is even close to up to date anyway |
| 21:04 | http://translate.koha-community.org/projects/34/ <-- see | |
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| 21:05 | cait | spanish is catching up |
| 21:06 | rangi | yup |
| 21:06 | cait | I send a mail aksing for help to the mailing list - but I don't think I will be able to finish in time |
| 21:06 | rangi | ah those are just warns |
| 21:06 | yeah | |
| 21:06 | i suspect that what i will say is | |
| 21:07 | 'due to a few remaining glitches and the fact that most translators have not had time to update their translations, we recommend that people running in languages other than english delay their upgrade until 3.4.1' | |
| 21:07 | something like that anyway | |
| 21:07 | cait | update done, only 2 more warns in intranet |
| 21:07 | now installing | |
| 21:09 | it looks a bit strange | |
| 21:09 | Waiting%sOn hold%s for patron | |
| 21:09 | missing spaces? | |
| 21:10 | rangi | hmm |
| 21:10 | yeah | |
| 21:10 | cait | better though :) |
| 21:10 | rangi | yay |
| 21:10 | cait | before we didn't have placeholders -missing spaces are better hehe |
| 21:11 | rangi | well is the translation any better? |
| 21:11 | cait | still installing |
| 21:11 | this is an old laptop | |
| 21:11 | rangi | ahh right |
| 21:12 | cait | it's still cutting of things |
| 21:12 | example | |
| 21:12 | %s%sKoha Online%s Catalog is offline for system maintenance. We'll be back soon! If you have any questions, please contact the | |
| 21:12 | that's a lot of placeholders | |
| 21:12 | that don't make much sense to me | |
| 21:12 | the translation for it is: | |
| 21:12 | Der Katalog ist zur Zeit wegen Wartungsarbeiten offline. Wir sind bald zurück! Wenn Sie Fragen haben, wenden Sie sich bitte an den <a1>Web-Administrator</a> | |
| 21:12 | it cut off the email | |
| 21:12 | it was one string before | |
| 21:12 | rangi | right |
| 21:12 | cait | and it's too many placeholders |
| 21:13 | rangi | no its right |
| 21:13 | its just the old one was wrong | |
| 21:13 | thats one of the problems | |
| 21:13 | cait | ok |
| 21:13 | I can accept that | |
| 21:13 | rangi | the trick i am having is making it exactly as broken as the old system :) |
| 21:13 | cait | hm, itputs the name in front, right? |
| 21:13 | hehe | |
| 21:14 | I think we can live with it working better than before | |
| 21:14 | rangi | well it will mean more translating |
| 21:14 | cait | but once we are there we need to update the po files on pootle again |
| 21:14 | rangi | yep |
| 21:14 | if you look at the comments above that | |
| 21:14 | it will tell you the line in the file its from | |
| 21:14 | cait | I don#t see the comments in po edit |
| 21:14 | rangi | ahh just open it vim |
| 21:14 | cait | they are part of the file, right? editor coming up |
| 21:14 | rangi | or emacs |
| 21:14 | yep | |
| 21:15 | its helpful for testing like this | |
| 21:15 | cos you can then see the line in the en ones | |
| 21:15 | and the de-DE ones | |
| 21:15 | .tt files | |
| 21:15 | and see what happened | |
| 21:15 | cait | hm |
| 21:15 | #. %1$s: ERROR | |
| 21:15 | #. %2$s: ERROR | |
| 21:15 | #. %3$s: ERROR | |
| 21:15 | #: opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/maintenance.tt:24 | |
| 21:16 | lots of errors in there | |
| 21:16 | rangi | i think i fixed that recently too |
| 21:17 | ill check and send afix for that (you can ignore them tho, they are comments so dont actually effect anything, just for debuggin) | |
| 21:17 | p>The [% IF ( LibraryNameTitle ) %][% LibraryNameTitle %][% ELSE %]Koha Online | |
| 21:17 | thats why the place holders | |
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| 21:18 | cait | makes sense |
| 21:18 | rangi | but the The is on another line |
| 21:18 | thats why its not matching | |
| 21:18 | cait | ah |
| 21:18 | rangi | if you check line 24 in the de-DE maintenance.tt file |
| 21:18 | cait | evil |
| 21:19 | rangi | its not showing as translated eh? |
| 21:20 | if so, that gives me something to work on | |
| 21:20 | figure out why the the is not showing | |
| 21:20 | cait | you are right |
| 21:20 | not translated | |
| 21:20 | rangi | i suspect this is what is happening for most things |
| 21:20 | cait | oh |
| 21:20 | it can't | |
| 21:21 | it#s fuzzy | |
| 21:21 | let me correct that in the po file and try again | |
| 21:21 | rangi | ok |
| 21:21 | i wonder if it might be just because we are making things fuzzy ! | |
| 21:21 | * rangi | hopes so |
| 21:21 | rangi | thats much easier to fix |
| 21:22 | cait | hehe |
| 21:22 | yep, but if that's the reason we really have to figure things out and update pootle | |
| 21:23 | rangi | yep |
| 21:23 | i can regen all the files and put them somewhere for frederic to add, but we need to confirm changing from fuzzy works | |
| 21:23 | i dont think the translation script cares actually | |
| 21:23 | im pretty sure it will do them if they are fuzzy or not | |
| 21:24 | but i might | |
| 21:24 | cait | <p>The [% IF ( LibraryNameTitle ) %][% LibraryNameTitle %][% ELSE %][% END %]Katalog ist zur Zeit wegen Wartungsarbeiten offline. Wir sind bald zurück! Wenn Sie Fragen haben, wenden Sie sich bitte an den<a href="mailto:[% KohaAdminEmailAddress %]">Site Administrator</a></p> |
| 21:24 | it cared in the past | |
| 21:24 | when something was fuzzy it was not translated | |
| 21:24 | not sure about now, but it seems so :) | |
| 21:24 | this looks not too bad | |
| 21:25 | it's a bit irritating with the missing spaces | |
| 21:25 | checking how it looks in opac now | |
| 21:25 | rangi | missing spaces i can fix too |
| 21:26 | * cait | believes rangi can fix everything :) |
| 21:26 | rangi | heh, not everything |
| 21:26 | wizzyrea | the pressure! the pressure! |
| 21:26 | cait | rangi: from the templates: |
| 21:26 | The Katalog ist zur Zeit wegen Wartungsarbeiten offline. Wir sind bald zurück! Wenn Sie Fragen haben, wenden Sie sich bitte an denSite Administrator | |
| 21:27 | rangi | cait: before the update, was that string fuzzy or did updating make it fuzzy? |
| 21:27 | so its just the missing spaces that are a problem now? | |
| 21:27 | cait | I used my nice and completely translated files from pootle |
| 21:27 | not fuzzy strings | |
| 21:27 | no | |
| 21:27 | that's why I test with opac, intranet is too incomplete and confusing | |
| 21:27 | I can try fixing the updated po file some more | |
| 21:27 | rangi | right so the update is making them fuzzy |
| 21:27 | ? | |
| 21:27 | cait | yes |
| 21:28 | rangi | ok dont do that then |
| 21:28 | cait | I thin because the strings are constructed differnetly |
| 21:28 | rangi | do you have 20 mins |
| 21:28 | cait | yes |
| 21:28 | rangi | ill try to do a patch to stop it making them fuzzy |
| 21:28 | and we can test that | |
| 21:28 | cait | hm |
| 21:28 | it should make them fuzzy | |
| 21:28 | because the place holders are moved around | |
| 21:28 | rangi | hmm ok |
| 21:28 | true | |
| 21:28 | cait | I am not sure, but I think you will break the po fies |
| 21:29 | rangi | right i wont do that |
| 21:29 | ok in that case, can you try making a few more unfuzzy and see if it makes them show up | |
| 21:29 | and ill work on the missing spaces | |
| 21:29 | cait | ok |
| 21:29 | rangi | thanks |
| 21:29 | cait | perhaps the spaces are in the variables? |
| 21:30 | rangi | could be |
| 21:30 | cait | will try to find some more nice strings for testing |
| 21:30 | rangi | the subject search |
| 21:30 | on the front page | |
| 21:30 | that seemed to not be translated | |
| 21:32 | cait | you know why cutting off the The is evil? because it can be der die or das in gemran |
| 21:32 | german | |
| 21:32 | subject search on the front page? | |
| 21:32 | the link in the navigation? authoritiy search? | |
| 21:33 | rangi | yeah that one |
| 21:33 | ill look into the the issue too | |
| 21:34 | cait | ok |
| 21:34 | new problem | |
| 21:34 | I can't leave opac maint | |
| 21:34 | rangi | you can upgrade in the staff side? |
| 21:34 | cait | no |
| 21:35 | what I mean is, I switched it on, I switched it off but it doesn't go away :( | |
| 21:35 | rangi | but you have upgraded? |
| 21:35 | its running .52? | |
| 21:36 | cait | ah stupid |
| 21:37 | * rangi | stops having a heart attack |
| 21:37 | cait | it'sme |
| 21:37 | I am sorry :( | |
| 21:37 | rangi | s'ok :) |
| 21:37 | cait | the navigation is German for me |
| 21:38 | rangi | yay! |
| 21:38 | hmm whats another one to test then | |
| 21:38 | cait | Welcome, |
| 21:38 | it's only welcome in the po file | |
| 21:38 | rangi | right |
| 21:40 | cait | ok |
| 21:40 | one that's missing a placeholder | |
| 21:40 | (published on | |
| 21:40 | was | |
| 21:40 | (veröffentlicht am %s) | |
| 21:41 | it's the published date on opac news | |
| 21:41 | rangi | cool, if you can check that out |
| 21:42 | cait | hm? |
| 21:42 | rangi | look at the comments |
| 21:43 | cait | ah, probably one where the line breaking is a problem? |
| 21:43 | rangi | see what file its in and see what the full string is |
| 21:43 | yeah | |
| 21:43 | cait | running the install script at the moment |
| 21:43 | rangi | ahh cool |
| 21:43 | cait | I updated a few things |
| 21:43 | rangi | thanks |
| 21:43 | cait | it's really slow |
| 21:43 | rangi | yep |
| 21:44 | cait | cool |
| 21:44 | I updated lists from fuzzy | |
| 21:44 | in the file from pootle the term was ok, but got not translated | |
| 21:44 | after updating the file today and undoing the fuzzy.... it's German now! | |
| 21:46 | looks good so far | |
| 21:47 | rangi | yay |
| 21:47 | ok, so i think what we need to do | |
| 21:47 | is fix the spaces | |
| 21:47 | update all the po files | |
| 21:47 | and update pootle | |
| 21:48 | sound right? | |
| 21:50 | cait | needs a little more testing |
| 21:50 | but it looks promising | |
| 21:50 | some strings at the top of the file are a bit weird | |
| 21:51 | "$[% MARCSUBJECT_SUBFIELDS_LOO.code %] [% MARCSUBJECT_SUBFIELDS_LOO.value %]" | |
| 21:51 | rangi | yeah |
| 21:51 | cait | and it would be great if you could fix the line breaks |
| 21:51 | rangi | ill try :) |
| 21:51 | cait | because it makes translation a lto harder if the strings are cut into pieces |
| 21:51 | and the po file has things like | |
| 21:51 | rangi | can you send me the filename of one where it is breaking the file? |
| 21:51 | cait | ) |
| 21:51 | rangi | yeah |
| 21:52 | cait | the maintenance thing was a good one |
| 21:52 | with the The cut off | |
| 21:52 | hm, no line break? | |
| 21:52 | rangi | yeah no line break in that |
| 21:52 | all one line | |
| 21:52 | cait | hm |
| 21:52 | so why? | |
| 21:52 | wahanui | so why is, like, it populated |
| 21:52 | rangi | i think |
| 21:52 | cait | wahanui forget why |
| 21:52 | wahanui | cait: I forgot why |
| 21:52 | rangi | the <p> |
| 21:53 | i think somehow the The got parsed as part of the tag | |
| 21:54 | cait | there is a single The |
| 21:54 | a separate string | |
| 21:54 | rangi | ohhh |
| 21:54 | cait | the probme is - that's not really translatable in german |
| 21:54 | rangi | yeah |
| 21:54 | or maori | |
| 21:54 | or pretty mucn every language | |
| 21:54 | much too | |
| 21:54 | right thanks ill work on that | |
| 21:54 | cait | good to know that's not another localized problem |
| 21:55 | rangi | heh |
| 21:55 | go to sleep | |
| 21:55 | cait | you start sounding like ruth |
| 21:55 | rangi | and i hope to have it fixed for you by the time you wake up |
| 21:55 | wizzyrea | go sleep things will magically occur while you're dreaming |
| 21:55 | space_librarian | :) |
| 21:55 | wizzyrea | dream of fudge and sugarplum fairies |
| 21:56 | cait | sugarplum fairies? |
| 21:56 | * space_librarian | thinks about fudge |
| 21:56 | wizzyrea | oh what's that from... the nutcracker? |
| 21:56 | ballet? | |
| 21:56 | rangi | yup |
| 21:56 | yup | |
| 21:56 | * space_librarian | points cait in the direction of The Nutcracker |
| 21:56 | * cait | wonders if she has that music somewhere |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | rangi: Cheap, Cheerful, Copy of Cx |
| 21:57 | 4C | |
| 21:57 | C4 | |
| 21:57 | rangi | that might be what they took it to mean |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | ta da! |
| 21:57 | * space_librarian | now has the dance of the sugarplum fairy stuck in her head |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 21:57 | cait | hm |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | see also: explosive! |
| 21:57 | cait | I thought it was something like for times better than something starting with C |
| 21:57 | rangi | im sticking to my its gonna asplode in my face story |
| 21:57 | cait | and the explosive |
| 21:57 | space_librarian | lol |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | right, rosalie defined it as a Cheap, Cheerful Copy of Cx (and rangi adds that it's might asplode in your face) |
| 21:58 | cait | rangi: if you can fix the problem, I could update the file and do a complete translation |
| 21:58 | rangi | cait: ill try |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | oh lawd, time to go |
| 21:59 | l8r peeps | |
| 21:59 | rangi | lawd and larks |
| 21:59 | cait | bye wizzyrea :) |
| 21:59 | space_librarian | bye! |
| 21:59 | rangi | egad |
| 21:59 | etc | |
| 21:59 | cait | ? |
| 22:00 | rangi | cait: just have to do some client work, but then i have about 10 patches to check and push, and then ill be on translation the rest of the day |
| 22:00 | cait | you are crazy |
| 22:00 | * cait | sends rangi coffee |
| 22:00 | rangi | well until i can make space_librarian do it for me |
| 22:00 | :) | |
| 22:00 | * cait | sends space_librarian cookies |
| 22:00 | rangi | heh |
| 22:01 | * space_librarian | wonders what she's got herself in for... |
| 22:01 | munches cookies throughtfully.... yum! thanks cait! :) | |
| 22:01 | * rangi | has 2 bottles of french red |
| 22:02 | rangi | ive been saving since kohacon10 |
| 22:02 | to celebrate the release, we might have to open them on thursday | |
| 22:02 | space_librarian | :) |
| 22:04 | * cait | mumbles something |
| 22:04 | space_librarian | cait: come to nz... we have good (French?!) wine! |
| 22:04 | :p | |
| 22:04 | rangi | space_librarian: she was here in october ;) |
| 22:04 | and thats when the wine arrived | |
| 22:04 | cait | yep, I was |
| 22:04 | space_librarian | she can come back... lol |
| 22:05 | rangi | came with paul_p and hdl ;) |
| 22:05 | cait | I guessed that |
| 22:05 | :) | |
| 22:05 | * space_librarian | can imagine the shenanigans |
| 22:05 | rangi | i dont have any of caits chocolate left |
| 22:05 | that didnt last long ... impossible to save that | |
| 22:05 | :) | |
| 22:05 | cait | I had no better idea |
| 22:06 | rangi | im glad |
| 22:06 | cait | and everybody likes chocolate |
| 22:06 | rangi | cos it was AWESOME |
| 22:06 | cait | hm... not slef, but everybody else |
| 22:06 | rangi | he's always been a little odd |
| 22:06 | :-) | |
| 22:06 | cait | if you go to India... there could be more chocolate... and french wine |
| 22:07 | * space_librarian | has already made plans to swap wine in India too... just needs to get there. |
| 22:07 | rangi | cait: its my wife you have to convince not me |
| 22:08 | i promised i wouldnt be away from home as much this year | |
| 22:08 | space_librarian | rangi: promise her a sari... |
| 22:08 | rangi | space_librarian: i think a nanny would work better :) |
| 22:08 | space_librarian | possibly. Can't imagine why... :) |
| 22:09 | cait | hm. not easy to get peanut butter here |
| 22:10 | and not easy to ship a nanny to nz... will have to find something else | |
| 22:10 | I should sleep | |
| 22:11 | space_librarian | you should. :) |
| 22:20 | cait | hmpf. |
| 22:20 | :) | |
| 22:20 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 6126 - [3.2.x] Slip print doesn't work on Webkit based browsers <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c63349789e5945390> |
| 22:24 | cait | ok, I give up - bye all :) |
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| 22:29 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 19 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 23:07 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.2.x build #19: SUCCESS in 38 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/19/ |
| 23:07 | Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 6126 - [3.2.x] Slip print doesn't work on Webkit based browsers | |
| 23:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6126 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Slip print doesn't work on Webkit based browsers |
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