IRC log for #koha, 2011-03-25

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00:22 rangi heh
00:22 @wunder wellington nz
00:22 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (1:00 PM NZDT on March 25, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
00:35 brendan_ yup NZ and rangi win again
00:36 rangi :)
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02:25 jcamins_away brendan/bg: around?
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03:12 AmitG hi chris
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03:18 gimireh hello
03:18 wahanui que tal, gimireh
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03:23 kmkale Namaskar #koha
03:46 gimireh i have running koha 3.005 version on ubuntu 9.10 server, the system was working fine but now bib items are not recorded on db
03:47 i think this appeared after we had a bulk import of bibliographic items
03:49 items don't show in items tab of catalogue but when i click on edit item, there is list of items there
03:49 any idea what is happening
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04:26 brendan_ hi AmitG
04:29 AmitG heya brendan_\
04:29 heya kmkale
04:37 kmkale hi AmitG
04:37 hi brendan_
04:38 brendan_ heya kmkale
04:38 AmitG heya kmkale india vs pakistan
04:38 you saw yesterday match
04:39 Oak hehe, Pakistan *can* win
04:39 kmkale AmitG: partially. only the last few overs
04:40 AmitG heya Oak
04:40 India wins
04:40 kmkale yup India pak gonna be tense match
04:40 Oak heya AmitG
04:40 AmitG yes
04:40 now most people on half day leave
04:40 on 30 march
04:40 india vs pakistan big match i m right kmkale
04:42 kmkale yup
04:42 currrent form pak 70:30
04:42 AmitG means kmkale
04:42 pak 70 india 30
04:43 kmkale IMHO
04:43 Oak Pakistan can't chase 300+ easily I fear... and Indian batting line up is looooong
04:43 kmkale Oak: Pak has about the best bowling attack currently
04:43 Oak I know :)
04:44 so very interesting
04:44 scenario
04:44 kmkale but India vs Pak brings out the best in everybody so hoping for the best :)
04:44 AmitG yes ur right Oak
04:44 Oak: r u from which country
04:44 Oak Pakistan
04:44 wahanui Pakistan is Nepal now, unless I missed something. Yes?
04:44 AmitG Oak r u from pakistan
04:44 Oak wahanui, you are mistaken
04:44 wahanui ...but wahanui is a bot...
04:44 Oak yes AmitG
04:44 AmitG your real name
04:45 Oak why would I do that AmitG ?
04:46 AmitG wahanui : u mean pakistan is nepal?
04:46 wahanui i don't know, amitg
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06:51 cait hi #koha
06:52 brendan_ heya cait
06:53 cait hi brendan_
07:03 jransom heya Cait, Brendan
07:05 cait hi jransom
07:09 AmitG heya jrasnsom
07:09 heya cait
07:09 jransom: today SA vs NZ
07:10 cait hi AmitG
07:12 jransom hi Amit
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07:22 rangi evening
07:22 jransom hey Chris
07:31 cait hi rangi
07:41 ok, time to go
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07:50 AmitG heya sophie_m
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07:51 sophie_m hello #koha
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07:55 AmitG heya julian
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08:13 kf hi #koha
08:19 AmitG heya kf
08:20 kf hi again AmitG :)
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08:44 jransom Paul :)
08:50 kf hi paul_p and sophie_m
08:50 sophie_m++ for fixing the english message names :)
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09:30 kmkale Namaskar #koha
09:32 kf hi kmkale :)
09:33 kmkale hi kf
09:35 kf rangi: still around?
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10:37 * kmkale waves at druthb
10:37 druthb hi, kmkale.  :)
10:38 * kf waves at druthb :)
10:40 druthb o/
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12:14 AmitG heya nengard, jwagner
12:14 jwagner Hi AmitG
12:15 nengard hiya
12:16 AmitG heya nengard
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12:25 kf wizzyrea: around?
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12:26 kf @later tell wizzyrea http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d63c795f4d4eb6384
12:26 huginn kf: The operation succeeded.
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12:28 * druthb hands NateC the Velcro
12:28 NateC Why thank you
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13:20 magnuse wanted: an example of a live opac with lots of branches
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13:22 sekjal magnuse:  does the dropdown for branch selection need to be on, or do the branches just need to be configured in the system?
13:22 magnuse sekjal: both would be interesting
13:25 sekjal http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/ has the dropdown
13:25 http://masscat.bywatersolutions.com/ does not
13:27 kf magnuse: nekls?
13:27 ah, I am too slow
13:27 magnuse yeah, should have thought about that - thanks sekjal!
13:28 danke i'm on koha 3.0, and when i genrate barcodes with low numbers... the width overruns the layout. is this bug fixed in later versions? i can't find anything
13:28 sekjal welcome, magnuse!
13:28 danke: Koha 3.2 has a significant rewrite of the label creator
13:29 danke excellent... how easy is the upgrade path?
13:29 sekjal very
13:29 danke how about moving onto a new machine? it's on a minitx box at the moment!
13:29 :)
13:30 sekjal danke: that would also be doable.  dump your database on the old system, note your configurations, then do a fresh install on the new machine
13:30 upload the database, and the installer will update it's structure for you
13:30 danke wow, excellent. so literally everything i need is in the mysql db?
13:30 like... running mysqldump will be a good backup of the system?
13:31 sekjal yes
13:31 it's a very good backup
13:31 danke haha, yes. i love open source
13:31 thank you!
13:31 sekjal restoring from it, you'd need to rebuild the indexes, which takes time, but is all scripted
13:31 danke to be expected really
13:31 sekjal danke: you're very welcome.  let us know if anything comes up in the process
13:32 danke will do, thank you
13:32 kf hi danke
13:32 are you from germany?
13:32 danke nope, the uk
13:32 kf ah, your name means thank you in German
13:33 danke yep. my actual name is dan keast, i've always liked that chopping the end off does that
13:33 kf :)
13:35 magnuse does anyone else have the left hand menu right at the bottom of this page - or is it just me? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Newbie_guide (FF 3.6.16 on OS X)
13:37 ebegin magnuse, I do have that too
13:37 FF4 on XP
13:38 magnuse hm, that menu is misbehving on some other pages too - i wonder why
13:43 nengard webinar time
13:43 ttyl
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13:55 wizzyrea ooo
13:56 one of my librarians just found a bug on additem.pl
13:56 sekjal wizzyrea: do tell!
13:57 * wizzyrea goes to file a bug
14:00 wizzyrea so if you have an item that is checked out
14:00 and you mark it lost on additem.pl
14:00 it will mark it lost, but not check it in (wrong)
14:01 if you do it from the moredetail.pl, when you mark an item lost it checks it in and puts the fee on the patron's account (right)
14:02 mind you, I've tested this on my production, not on my dev box... I"m going to go do that now.
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14:05 danke would it be better to run the upgrade, then migrate to a new machine or vice versa?
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14:06 sekjal wizzyrea:  sounds familiar
14:06 danke ... i take it that the system wont detect the database is for an old version, and it's the upgrade which does the db modifications?
14:06 wizzyrea when you fire up your intranet for the first time it will detect you need a db update
14:06 sekjal danke:  the Koha code itself checks to see if the DB version matches the code version
14:06 if the DB is out of date, it gets upgraded
14:06 wizzyrea ^^
14:07 danke so i can just put the database onto a new server, and install the latest version... everything is handled for me?
14:07 sekjal if the code is behind the data, though, there is nothing for that except to upgrade to match the DB
14:07 danke: yes
14:07 danke wow... that's really considerate programming
14:08 sekjal written by some really smart people
14:13 wizzyrea bug 5953
14:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5953 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, LOST status not behaving correctly from additem.pl
14:14 wizzyrea how big is your DB, danke?
14:17 (i ask because if it's largish, you might want to run updatedatabase.pl from the command line so it doesn't time out)
14:17 (especially if you're coming from 3.0)
14:22 sekjal danke:  I'd recommend running it from the commandline, regardless of size, if you're doing that big an upgrade.  Shows the update in real-time, which is more satisfying
14:22 to my mind, at least
14:23 wizzyrea hehe
14:23 that's a really good rason
14:23 reason, even
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14:51 danke sorry, had to run off for a bit... i'm not sure how big it is now, the db was filled on the test machine without me... pretty small though i reckon
14:51 it's the toy library for the childrens center for a small town
14:52 ah, that's quite handy actually... was considering using the koha live cd to setup the new machine quickly. being able to do it from the commandline would be nice
14:52 rhcl नमस्ते #koha
14:55 danke can i add images against items in the library?
14:55 wizzyrea I thought jcamins was working on something like that but it was ages ago... afaik that function isn't currently in koha
14:56 danke ah, okay. it's not important really
14:56 wizzyrea (you mean a la adding your own images for your records, right?)
14:56 (in place of say, amazon or google images)
14:57 danke yeah, that's it. a lot of them are toys, so an image would help cataloguing
14:57 wizzyrea I can definitely see how the images would be of use in a toy library
14:58 * wizzyrea imagines a terriffically complex batch import procedure for mapping bibnumbers to photos with filenames to correspond... brain melts down.
14:58 danke haha, yeah... there's the rub
14:58 it's that or blob fields. ech.
14:59 wizzyrea batch assigning the file names alone
15:00 that would be a big project.
15:00 if only toy manufacturers would agree on a standard set of metadata to assign to every toy...
15:00 danke sometimes they can be the most fun... i wish i had more spare time
15:01 "made in china"... haha, don't think that's going to happen
15:01 wizzyrea :)
15:01 with a unique identifying number!
15:01 10 digits would be enough? right?
15:01 * wizzyrea repeats past foibles
15:02 wizzyrea sorry sorry, it's probably not clear that I'm in a snarktastic and sarcastic mode this morning
15:03 so don't take anything like the above ^^ seriously ;)
15:04 danke nah, i get it. it would be amazing though... maybe you could give them unique ipv6 addresses
15:04 wizzyrea well it would be nice, actually
15:05 for every toy
15:05 to have metadata regarding who made it, where it was made, what it's made of
15:06 some of that's on the package, but it's not formalized
15:06 danke yeah, i don't think any of these have any packaging left
15:06 * wizzyrea is thinking of the online stores who would benefit.
15:07 danke I'm geniunely wondering about what to do about children eating the barcodes off of them too
15:07 maybe just a folder with photos to store them instead of on the toys themselves
15:07 wizzyrea a bag with the barcode on it?
15:08 I think that' what our library that has a collection of cake pans
15:08 does
15:08 cuzn you can't bake the barcodes
15:08 danke these are babies to about 6 year olds... they'd probably eat the bag. haha
15:09 wizzyrea or suffocate :P
15:09 which would be worse
15:09 danke i'm just a parent, the libraries been requested as parents are erm... acquiring toys
15:09 yeah, debatable :p
15:09 haha
15:11 wizzyrea well, you could put a photo of the toy inside the bag, take the toy out of the bag at circ time, then keep the bag behind the desk until the toy comes back
15:12 i.e. don't give the bag to the patron
15:12 why yes, I might be hung up on bags.
15:12 danke haha, nah it's a good idea
15:12 though some of the toys are massive
15:12 wizzyrea wouldn't work for those obviously
15:12 danke like... toddler bikes etc
15:12 wizzyrea superglue?
15:12 epoxy over the barcode?
15:13 varnish?
15:13 danke yeah, that's a good idea
15:13 wizzyrea you didn't know you were going to be in for a deluge of how to fix your problem suggestions when you logged in this morning, did you :)
15:14 * wizzyrea also has a 3 year old, can imagine the challenges of circulating toys with anything even remotely removable on them
15:14 danke haha... so far my two year old has broken the tv, the oven, our speakers, and the wii
15:15 wizzyrea !!!!! your kid trumps my kid in the destructive department
15:15 danke some kind of nuclear defense strategy probably wont keep anything stuck to these toys
15:16 the oven was a genius one... when we weren't looking he'd shoved a teaspoon between the top of the oven and the worktop.... it's a fan oven and the teaspoon slowly got juddered back until it fell on two electrical contacts
15:17 wizzyrea !!! that stinks lol
15:17 danke haha, tell me about it. a replacement element is £50
15:18 wizzyrea (in our house the oven is a strict "don't go there" area. We make him stand on the carpet about 5 feet away when it's open, and he doesn't really go near it even when it's off because it might be hot... he learned that the not-damaging-but-hot-enough-to-sting way)
15:19 (he touched the outside of the oven one day when it was on)
15:19 danke haha, that's the ticket
15:19 wizzyrea ("oh!" lightbulb "It's HOT!"
15:20 danke i mean... the oven is left switched off at the wall whenever he's near it... never thought about the evil genius spoon tactic
15:20 wizzyrea yea, that's pretty ingenius, I have to say
15:21 kf magnuse?
15:24 * kf tries summoning magnus_away
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15:31 mib_ilomdd Does anyone know if there is a way to globally change the patron message settings? I need all Patrons to get overdue email!
15:31 For some reason they're all set to off
15:37 kf lol
15:37 wizzyrea: found the cause of my problem (auth value codes) but it's not in master :)
15:38 wizzyrea mib_ilomdd: we had the same problem, we ended up having to do a db level update to all patrons to turn it on
15:38 kf :) i saw your @later, i'm not sure why one would want the code *and* the description there.
15:38 someone obviously did
15:38 but to me
15:39 if you really want that... just put the code into the description, problem solved
15:40 kf yep
15:41 mib_ilomdd: I think there will be a script for doing this in 3.4
15:41 but not available in current version
15:41 wizzyrea: happy to know it will be gone soon :)
15:41 time for weekend now!
15:41 bye all :)
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15:41 wizzyrea yay weekend!
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15:45 mib_ilomdd Thanks - I will see if I can write something up...we can't upgrade just yet!
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15:58 sekjal in a multiple branch setup with IndependentBranches enabled, should the homebranch always be able to update/edit/checkin the item, even if it's been sent to another branch (holdingbranch) to fill a hold?
16:00 wizzyrea sekjal: you would think so?
16:00 I mean, I would think so?
16:00 * wizzyrea tries to wrap her head about a setup where you wouldn't want that
16:01 sekjal I would think that the library that owns the item should always have permissions on it
16:01 wizzyrea that would be my assumption too
16:01 sekjal the library holding the item should have permissions, as well, since they have it, but those would go away once the item was transferred away
16:02 wizzyrea in nexpress, we have a 'gentlepeople's agreement' to 'not muck with other people's stuff, talk to them first'
16:02 sekjal In the event of a Floating Collections dev, the home library would just update to the holding branch upon initial receipt
16:02 (sorry, thinking ahead)
16:02 wizzyrea but we're not independent branches
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16:12 sekjal bug 3203 is fun
16:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3203 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED, Some Letters template variables are not available to certain notice types
16:12 sekjal for example, did you know that only borrower title, firstname, surname, userid and password can be parsed into an Account Details email?
16:23 cait yes
16:23 the worst thing is, this list does not include the cardnumer
16:23 so if you don't use the userid it's worthless
16:24 sekjal: and the item due / predue digest notices don't do branches
16:27 sekjal Account Details is pretty easy to fix, thankfully
16:28 cait sekjal: I tested them all recently for our first multi branch library
16:28 they are using all notices you can send to a patron
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17:42 lavamind hello
17:42 wahanui hola, lavamind
17:43 lavamind I need to make some cronjobs quiet
17:43 for example, I dont want to receive this message every day : etud01: No branches with active overduerules at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl line 296.
17:44 cait you should correct your configuration
17:44 this way the job is telling you it does nt work
17:44 magnus_away or filter out the messages in your mail client
17:45 lavamind they aren,t production instances, we use them to teach students
17:46 so until they get to setting that up, we *want* it to not work
17:46 cait comment out the conrjob
17:46 until you want it to run
17:46 lavamind yeah but that way it will never work
17:47 I have no clue when it will need to be run, I'm not the teacher :/
17:48 magnus_away: I think that's what I'll do, I was wondering if there was any way to make cron jobs quiet
17:49 cait there is a reason it's complaining
17:49 lavamind maybe there should be an option in koha-foreach
17:49 magnus_away is now known as magnuse
17:50 lavamind cait: I know there's a reason, and it's fine that way, but sometimes you do want to ignore some complaints
17:50 cait I prefer fixing things ;)
17:50 lavamind cait: you assume it's broken for everyone, in my case it's not
17:51 cait i understand that
17:51 lavamind broken is what we want, for teaching purposes
17:51 cait but your case is very special
17:51 lavamind maybe, but it's still pretty legitimate don't you think :p
17:51 cait of course :)
17:52 lavamind I suppose i'll just filter the cron message in my mail client
17:55 awh crap, can't do that with an imap account in thunderbird
17:55 magnuse oh wow, i'm a month behind with some of my google reader categories and didn't see this before now: http://googleblog.blogspot.com[…]ecipe-search.html
17:55 faceted search...
17:56 cait lavamind: perhaps using a different mail address would help?
17:59 fredericd lavamind: append to your cron entry: >/dev/null
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18:00 cait hi fredericd
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18:00 lavamind fredericd: tried that, doesn't work, seems like koha-foreach does its own redirections which arent overridable
18:02 fredericd lavamind: sorry, I responded too quickly. In fact, I don't know how koha-foreach works!
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18:25 cait rangi++
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18:52 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/c[…]ld-Cup-semifinals
18:52 bam
18:58 bg wow
19:02 bit rough -- "confirming, it would seem, that their chokers tag is fairly fitting."
19:02 rangi heh
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19:55 sekjal it's just an LDAP kind of day, it seems
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20:39 schuster ooo sorry...
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20:53 sekjal anyone know about a bug where holds pickup locations are messed up by updating the priority order?
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20:57 wizzyrea what
20:57 whoa
20:57 but actually
20:57 this sounds familiar
20:57 sec
20:58 yeshttp://ticket.bywatersolutions[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=804
20:58 huginn 04Bug 804: normal, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, Query form default submit action "or" instead of "submit"
20:58 wizzyrea sekjal
20:58 http://ticket.bywatersolutions[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=804 (is what I meant)
20:58 huginn 04Bug 804: normal, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, Query form default submit action "or" instead of "submit"
20:58 wizzyrea shh huginn, that wasn't for you!
20:58 similar
20:59 sekjal bug 5805
20:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5805 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, RESOLVED FIXED, Changing Pickup library on already queued holds causes havoc on all holds below it
20:59 wizzyrea but you're still seeing this?
20:59 on master?
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21:03 sekjal wizzyrea: it's being reported on a version that doesn't have the patch for 5805
21:03 wizzyrea Aha
21:03 sekjal so I'll do an update, and see if that fixes the issue
21:03 wizzyrea :D
21:04 sekjal love it when the bugs are already solved
21:04 wizzyrea me too me too
21:04 and this one... it makes me feel fuzzy to know that because of us that got fixed :)
21:06 hmm I just closed my window that had all of my tabs open
21:06 oops.
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21:42 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 68.101.78.67 pasted "for wizzyrea: and you can have random results as needed" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/183
21:43 wizzyrea oooooo
21:43 gmcharlt++
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21:48 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 68.101.78.67 pasted "wizzyrea: and grabbing the new book stuff is easy" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/184
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22:49 bg @wunder 93109
22:49 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 16.3�C (3:49 PM PDT on March 25, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady).
22:50 bg @wunder wellington nz
22:50 huginn bg: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0�C (11:00 AM NZDT on March 26, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
22:50 bg ohhh  rangi barely pulls out a win
23:10 gmcharlt @wunder 32605
23:10 huginn gmcharlt: The current temperature in Central Gainesville, Gainesville, Florida is 25.1�C (7:10 PM EDT on March 25, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Steady).
23:12 sekjal Koha assumes that each branch will create it's own ACCTDETAILS notice (hence why <<branches.*>> tokens aren't parsed); shouldn't it, then, try to send from the Branch email, rather than KohaAdmin email?

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