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| 01:47 | schuster | chris_n - are you thinking about coming to Madison Wisconsin for the KUDOS Conference? |
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| 02:20 | kmkale | Namaskar #koha |
| 02:20 | wizzyrea | Namaskar kmkale |
| 02:20 | kmkale | hi wizzyrea |
| 02:20 | wizzyrea | hello :D |
| 02:20 | mtj | heya folks |
| 02:21 | wizzyrea | hi mtj |
| 02:22 | mtj | heya girl |
| 02:24 | a busy week for NEKLS? | |
| 02:24 | wizzyrea | definitely |
| 02:24 | mtj | a recent upgrade? |
| 02:24 | wizzyrea | indeed :) |
| 02:25 | mtj | hope it went well |
| 02:25 | back to reports, for me... | |
| 02:25 | kmkale | hi mtj |
| 02:25 | wizzyrea | it's still in progress |
| 02:26 | mtj | hey kmkale, looks like we will finally meet in thane :) |
| 02:26 | kmkale | yup. :) |
| 02:27 | mtj | wizzyrea: ah, ok - keep me posted you you need a hand, etc... |
| 02:27 | kmkale | time to go to office. bbl |
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| 05:28 | kmkale | can't login to wiki with openid :( |
| 05:41 | wizzyrea | there's a special link for openid |
| 05:41 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]eturnto=Main_Page | |
| 05:41 | you are logging in here? | |
| 05:42 | kmkale? | |
| 05:42 | wahanui1 | i guess kmkale is right |
| 05:42 | wizzyrea | of course he is :) |
| 05:42 | kmkale | aye wizzyrea |
| 05:42 | wizzyrea | :( bummer |
| 05:43 | hmm mine's working | |
| 05:43 | maybe it's your openid | |
| 05:43 | endpoint | |
| 05:43 | who are you using? | |
| 05:43 | kmkale | could be; its google |
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| 05:44 | kmkale | I could login using the password alright |
| 05:44 | hi cait | |
| 05:44 | cait | hi kmkale :) |
| 05:47 | kmkale | "An error occured during verification of the OpenID URL. " |
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| 06:24 | wizzyrea | cait... o bother. just missed her |
| 06:24 | @later tell cait i'm confused, why don't we want to see the sql statement on the guided report results? | |
| 06:24 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
| 06:44 | kmkale | bbl |
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| 06:49 | wizzyrea | anybody remember magnus's new nick? |
| 06:50 | mtj | wizzyrea: cant see it on #koha |
| 06:51 | wizzyrea | hrm, i'll just send it to him on facebook |
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| 07:23 | mtj | http://www.avclub.com/articles[…]nch-burrit,52698/ |
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| 07:40 | paul_p | hello world ! |
| 07:41 | magnuse | bonjour paul_p |
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| 12:02 | LastBoyScout | hello all |
| 12:29 | nengard | hello |
| 12:29 | wahanui1 | salut, nengard |
| 12:31 | druthb | wahanui: nengard? |
| 12:31 | wahanui1 | nengard is a blogger at http://www.web2learning.net/ |
| 12:31 | druthb | wahanui: druthb? |
| 12:31 | wahanui1 | i guess druthb is quite possibly insane, but she fits right in at ByWater Solutions, because of it. |
| 12:31 | nengard | not really so much anymore ... she's more a writer for Koha |
| 12:31 | jcamins_away is now known as jcamins | |
| 12:31 | nengard | wait a second - did that bot just say I'm insane??? |
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| 12:31 | jcamins | Hell, #koha. |
| 12:31 | nengard: no, that's druthb. | |
| 12:31 | nengard | LOL |
| 12:31 | druthb | nope...it said I was. |
| 12:31 | jcamins | *Hello |
| 12:32 | nengard | but it says that you fit in with us - so that means i'm insane to |
| 12:32 | too | |
| 12:32 | druthb | wahanui: jcamins? |
| 12:32 | wahanui1 | jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. |
| 12:32 | druthb | lordy. |
| 12:32 | nengard | hehe |
| 12:33 | ooooo -- gonna test me bug 5478 | |
| 12:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5478 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Automate MARC framework import/export |
| 12:33 | druthb | wahanui: forget druthb |
| 12:33 | wahanui1 | druthb: I forgot druthb |
| 12:35 | nengard | :( |
| 12:36 | druthb | next time someone says something of the form "druthb is <foo>", it'll remember that. Brooke_ seems to come up with clever things to tell it about me. |
| 12:37 | nengard | druthb is a rockstar! |
| 12:38 | druthb | @quote get 102 |
| 12:38 | huginn | druthb: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010) |
| 12:41 | LastBoyScout | hey people. Anyone able to help a desperate koha user with z39.50 MARC import errors? |
| 12:43 | jcamins | LastBoyScout: ask your question, and if anyone can help, s/he will. |
| 12:44 | LastBoyScout | Thanks. Running Koha 3.2.5 |
| 12:44 | I'm getting the following error on SOME z39.50 imports | |
| 12:44 | All arguments must be MARC::Field objects at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl line 151 | |
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| 12:44 | jcamins | Where are you importing from? |
| 12:45 | LastBoyScout | I have explored whether this is a encoding issue (tried changing the z39.50 server config) |
| 12:45 | JesseM | morning #Koha |
| 12:45 | LastBoyScout | I've tried a few, but predominantly LOC and Monash |
| 12:45 | jcamins | Hm. I've used LOC without any problems. |
| 12:46 | LastBoyScout | I suspect this may be an issue with CPAN loaded perl modules conflicting with KOHA - as it was working perfectly |
| 12:46 | ARe there any known issues with some of the CPAN MARC modules? | |
| 12:47 | jcamins | None that I know of, anyway. |
| 12:49 | LastBoyScout | This error has appeared on the internet a number of times through the years (as per Google search) but I can't find any note of the solution |
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| 12:53 | kf | hi #koha |
| 12:55 | jwagner | hi kf |
| 12:56 | kf | hi jwagner :) |
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| 12:59 | kmkale_a | heya kf |
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| 13:03 | magnuse | LastBoyScout: could you give a concrete example where you get the error - which source, which search, which record? |
| 13:03 | guten tag kf | |
| 13:29 | kf | hi magnuse :) |
| 13:29 | hi kmkale_a :) | |
| 13:29 | magnuse | :-) |
| 13:32 | paul_p | hello kmkale & al |
| 13:32 | kmkale | hi paul_p |
| 13:36 | pastebot | "LastBoyScout" at 41.185.74.205 pasted "MARC record that won't import - example 1 - Binge trading : Freedman, Seth. zconn.lib.monash.edu.au" (40 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/169 |
| 13:37 | LastBoyScout | Hi Magnuse - pasted first example |
| 13:38 | The record is in our reservoir, but gives the error on attempt to import | |
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| 13:41 | pastebot | "LastBoyScout" at 41.185.74.205 pasted "MARC record that won't import - example 2 - McKinsey's Marvin Bower : Edersheim, Elizabeth Haas. - z3950.loc.gov" (51 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/170 |
| 13:41 | LastBoyScout | Here's a second record, different z39.50 server, same error |
| 13:41 | magnuse | LastBoyScout: what do you mean in your reservoir? i thought you said you were copy cataloguing with z39.50? |
| 13:42 | LastBoyScout | It's in the reservoir after searching using the z39.50 server |
| 13:42 | I have tried importing the search reseult directly or from the reservoir | |
| 13:42 | same error | |
| 13:43 | Ranji tried helping last night and we eliminated the encoding option set for the z39.50 server and it does not seem to be because of diacriticals | |
| 13:44 | magnuse | LastBoyScout: afaik the reservoir only comes into the picture when you use the "Stage MARC records for import" tool? |
| 13:45 | jwagner | FYI as a matter of general interest -- from the Unicorn admin listserv, a site to automatically generate a call number cutter: http://calculate.alptown.com/search.html |
| 13:45 | LastBoyScout | When we've made a successful search using a z39.50 server, all results are stored in the reservoir |
| 13:46 | maybe we're just lucky / unlucky :) | |
| 13:48 | magnuse | hehe... but in my experience searching with z39.50, importing and saving puts the record in the catalogue proper, not in the reservoir... |
| 13:49 | LastBoyScout | Sure, we just can't import the search result |
| 13:49 | SOME we can | |
| 13:49 | I have not successfully debugged the reason | |
| 13:50 | magnuse | and your example 2 comes from LOC? |
| 13:51 | * jcamins | loses his voice abruptly |
| 13:52 | LastBoyScout | Indeed |
| 13:52 | magnuse | LastBoyScout: the second one works fine for me |
| 13:52 | LastBoyScout | it's definitely a problem on our end - not the MARC record |
| 13:53 | kmkale | hey shall we start the kohacon volunteers meeting? |
| 13:53 | LastBoyScout | which is why i suspect a CPAN module |
| 13:53 | magnuse | LastBoyScout: when do you get the error? when you preview the record, when you click on import, when you save the record from the "marc editor" in koha? |
| 13:53 | LastBoyScout | when we click on import |
| 13:53 | we can preview fine | |
| 13:54 | slef | kmkale: waiting for you... |
| 13:54 | kmkale | #startmeeting |
| 13:54 | huginn | Meeting started Tue Mar 8 14:01:55 2011 UTC. The chair is kmkale. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 13:54 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | |
| 13:54 | slef | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]aCon11_Volunteers |
| 13:55 | kmkale | #topic introductions |
| 13:55 | Topic for #koha is now introductions | |
| 13:55 | kmkale | Koustubha Kale VPM, Thane, Anant Corporation, Granthalaya.org Kohacon 11 organizer |
| 13:55 | * slef | = MJ Ray, undef, software.coop |
| 13:56 | * atz | Joe Atzberger, State Library of Ohio |
| 13:57 | kmkale | gmcharlt paul_p mtj around? |
| 13:57 | gmcharlt | kmkale: yep |
| 13:57 | paul_p | kmkale, yep |
| 13:58 | kmkale | :) |
| 13:58 | #topic What needs to be done | |
| 13:58 | Topic for #koha is now What needs to be done | |
| 13:58 | paul_p | paul_p, BibLibre |
| 13:58 | * druthb | == D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions. |
| 13:59 | kmkale | paul_p: you having one of two to have attended all kohacon's, would you like to elaborate on "What needs to be done" |
| 14:00 | * magnuse | Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway (mostly lurking) |
| 14:00 | paul_p | kmkale, yes, thx. The 2 parts are really differents (conf & hackfest) |
| 14:00 | slef | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]0_Plan#To_Do_List |
| 14:01 | paul_p | and I feel we could/should have 3 parts in fact : user conf / new developers conf / hackers conf (new developers interested staying for hackers conf if they want) |
| 14:01 | so what's need to be done is different on those 3 parts | |
| 14:01 | kmkale | thanks slef |
| 14:01 | Let me give a summary of what we are doing at VPM | |
| 14:02 | we have organized sub comitees for accommodation, travel assistance, venue organization, food, sponsorships | |
| 14:03 | that leaves programm development, scheduling, format etc | |
| 14:04 | I have a proposal from VPM people about the format of conference day's | |
| 14:04 | 2 sessions per day with lubnch break between them | |
| 14:05 | each session of presentations of 15 mins followed by 5 mins q & a | |
| 14:05 | 1 plenary on pre decided topic and speaker per session | |
| 14:05 | what say? | |
| 14:06 | slef | What are the start/end times of days? |
| 14:07 | paul_p | kmkale, I think sessions of 15mn is really short. |
| 14:07 | slef | as in how many presentations per session? |
| 14:07 | paul_p | I think longer sessions, but less sessions is better. |
| 14:07 | kmkale | start end times are up to us. can be anything |
| 14:07 | paul_p: suggest time duration be as per presentation | |
| 14:07 | slef | Sorry, I thought a proposal about the format would include that. |
| 14:08 | I think most at '10 were 30mins | |
| 14:08 | kmkale | depending on how many presentations we get |
| 14:08 | mtj | hi folks, running a little late… |
| 14:08 | kmkale | lets say 9.30 am to 4.30 pm day |
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| 14:09 | kmkale | with an hours lunch break |
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| 14:09 | paul_p | do you plan to do a break in the middle of each day ? it's a good idea imho |
| 14:09 | slef | maybe some people would like to do 15+5 talk+Q and some 5+5 or 50+10, but should we have 25+5 as the default? |
| 14:10 | paul_p | (socializing++ ++ during KohaCon !!!) |
| 14:10 | kmkale | with 30 mins sessions that gives us 12 sessions a day |
| 14:10 | paul_p | (off is as important as ON ;-) ) |
| 14:10 | kmkale | paul_p: yes a hours lunch break at say 12.30 or 1 pm |
| 14:11 | with a 4.30 close gives us plenty of socializing opp | |
| 14:11 | paul_p | kmkale, I mean a small break at 10 and at 15 (for example) |
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| 14:11 | paul_p | http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/20[…]program/day1.html => 1 hour for each speaker usually |
| 14:11 | slef | I was wrong :) |
| 14:11 | Never trust my memory. Let that be a lesson to you. | |
| 14:11 | kmkale | yes a tea coffee break in the middle of morning and afternoon halfs? can do |
| 14:11 | paul_p | ;-) |
| 14:11 | gmcharlt | 30 minute per session is a bit short in my experience, - 45 is more common |
| 14:11 | 30 minutes can be workable, though | |
| 14:12 | paul_p | gmcharlt++ => 45 is better, 30 is workable. |
| 14:12 | kmkale | its for us to suggest / decide |
| 14:12 | gmcharlt | one thing I would like to suggest is scheduling one or two lightening talk sessions |
| 14:12 | slef | gmcharlt: 45 including Q+A or 45+? |
| 14:12 | kmkale | can be 1 hr. then we can take lesser presentations. IMHO all depends on number of presenters we get. Good papers that is |
| 14:12 | gmcharlt | 45 including Q+A, scheduled on hourly boundaries to allow time to move between sessions |
| 14:13 | paul_p | if we have maaannnyyy attendees, do you plan to have sessions splitted in 2 (10:00 speech A in room X and speech B in room Y, then 11:00, repeat). Thus audience would be splitted in 2 |
| 14:13 | kmkale | talk sessions ++ |
| 14:13 | gmcharlt | (assuming that geographic distance between the session rooms matters in this case) |
| 14:13 | paul_p | gmcharlt, ++ |
| 14:13 | kmkale | paul_p: yes if we have more than 2000 attendees and enough speakers |
| 14:13 | sorry make that 200 | |
| 14:13 | s/2000/200 | |
| 14:14 | paul_p | kmkale, remember your goal is 18k attendees :D |
| 14:14 | kmkale | :) |
| 14:14 | slef | #link http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/ToDo |
| 14:14 | paul_p | we can also have some lightning talks |
| 14:14 | kmkale | if you have seen the map link there is a stadium nearby. I will have to apply to the municipal commissioner then for special permission ;) |
| 14:15 | gmcharlt | kmkale: we'd need to add in some football sessions as well if we end up in the stadium ;) |
| 14:15 | kmkale | its crecket here gmcharlt |
| 14:15 | cricket | |
| 14:15 | gmcharlt | kmkale: good to know :) |
| 14:16 | kmkale | so lets say 1 plenary / keynote per 1/2 day session and or a talk session |
| 14:16 | atz | lightning talk format was highly valuable at code4lib (again) this year. |
| 14:16 | slef | not sure if anyone except the English ever played football in cricket stadiums much :) |
| 14:16 | kmkale | talk time duration? |
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| 14:16 | slef | 45 usually, some other options in special sessions |
| 14:16 | ? | |
| 14:17 | kmkale | each presentation to be of 45 mins with a 10 mins q&a ?? |
| 14:17 | gmcharlt | kmkale: sounds good to me |
| 14:17 | paul_p | kmkale, ++ too |
| 14:17 | mtj | me too :) |
| 14:17 | paul_p | +5mn move your body to the next conf room ;-) |
| 14:18 | kmkale | that gives us a target of 4 presentations per day plus one key note and one lightning talk |
| 14:18 | am i correct in my additions? | |
| 14:19 | paul_p | 4 or 5 ? |
| 14:19 | wahanui1 | 5 |
| 14:19 | kmkale | start time 9.30 ok? |
| 14:19 | and close time 4.30 ok? | |
| 14:20 | slef | kmkale: I'd wait and see if lightnings are one per session or best all together. Probably depends what comes in. |
| 14:20 | kmkale | with a 15 mins tea/coffee break plus an hours lunch break |
| 14:21 | ok that brings us to call for papers. can anyone help in writing it? | |
| 14:21 | gmcharlt | kmkale: I can write a draft |
| 14:21 | when do you need it? | |
| 14:21 | slef | gmcharlt: update last year's? |
| 14:21 | kmkale | gr8 gmcharlt++ |
| 14:21 | gmcharlt | slef: yep, most likely |
| 14:21 | slef | gmcharlt: http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/[…]k11/author/submit |
| 14:22 | kmkale | gmcharlt why not send it asap? |
| 14:22 | gmcharlt | kmkale: OK, I'll send you something to look at later today |
| 14:22 | i.e, in the next couple hours | |
| 14:22 | slef | kmkale: submission process needs configuring before the call goes out. |
| 14:22 | kmkale | I have registrations working so shall we throw the registrations open and announce on the lists? http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/[…]Conf/registration |
| 14:23 | slef: what do you propose? do we have a peer review kinda system? I think we should. | |
| 14:23 | gmcharlt | kmkale: if you're up to it, I'd like to suggest a code4lib-style voting on the presentation proposals |
| 14:24 | slef | kmkale: also call for help writing travel guides? |
| 14:24 | kmkale | slef: yep |
| 14:24 | * kmkale | sucks at writing stuff |
| 14:24 | slef | kmkale: I would leave it pretty open, but warn there may be a review stage if there are far more talks than can be accommodated? |
| 14:24 | kmkale | gmcharlt: ":code4lib-style voting on the presentation proposals" how to? |
| 14:25 | gmcharlt | kmkale: basically, solicit the presentations, then prior to the presentation, hold an open vote of the community to choose which presentations make it to the program |
| 14:25 | kmkale | at this stage lets get proposals in. then we form a comitee to have a look at whats good |
| 14:25 | aahh | |
| 14:25 | slef | kmkale: spelling error in http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/[…]Conf/registration (should be participants, says dict) |
| 14:26 | gmcharlt | this assumes, of course, that we get more presentations than slots, which is likely |
| 14:26 | kmkale | thanks slef |
| 14:26 | slef | gmcharlt: popularity_contests-- |
| 14:26 | kmkale | gmcharlt: we may get many from India but with dodgy quality |
| 14:26 | do we propose a theme for papers in the call for papers? | |
| 14:27 | slef | how about... |
| 14:27 | first of all, call for keynotes, then arrange those into sessions and call for talks on each keynote theme? | |
| 14:27 | or am I making this too complicated when there is less time than ideal? | |
| 14:27 | kmkale | or call for papers and keynotes then arrange them into sessions? |
| 14:28 | paul_p | could we have more presentations than slot & say ppl would have to decide between speak 1 and 2 ? |
| 14:28 | or say speak 1, 2, 3 are done twice, so everyone will miss 1 (but just one) | |
| 14:28 | kmkale | paul_p: if we have enopugh attendees / speakers we can arrange for parallel sessions |
| 14:29 | gmcharlt | kmkale: I'd expect that would be quite likely (having parallel sessions) |
| 14:29 | the Evergreen conference, for instance, manages 3 tracks of sessions with about ~200 attendees | |
| 14:29 | kmkale | did we have parallel sessions in prewvious kohacons? |
| 14:29 | gmcharlt | and the KohaCon in Texas had two or three tracks, as I recall |
| 14:29 | kmkale | great |
| 14:30 | so lets say send out a call for papers and keynotes with a few themes? | |
| 14:30 | slef | It depends on the audience and what comes in. |
| 14:30 | kmkale | then arrange what we get into sessions? |
| 14:30 | and then decide on parallel sessions etc depending on number | |
| 14:31 | any ideas about themes? | |
| 14:33 | mtj | migrations, tuning, hosting |
| 14:33 | customising opacs | |
| 14:34 | magnuse is now known as magnus_away | |
| 14:34 | paul_p | in Paris, we had only 1 session iirc |
| 14:34 | slef | customising++ |
| 14:34 | gmcharlt | customizing++ |
| 14:34 | mtj | not really themes?, but some general ideas |
| 14:34 | slef | paul_p: I thought there were 2? |
| 14:34 | * slef | has vague memories of passing out from the heat in the second session |
| 14:34 | gmcharlt | another idea - spreading Koha; something aimed at convincing administrators to look at it |
| 14:34 | paul_p | We had only one large room, so I think it was only 1 |
| 14:35 | slef | paul_p: do you mean 1 track? |
| 14:35 | kmkale | aye spreading koha both to librarians and to developers |
| 14:35 | mtj | nice idea gmcharlt |
| 14:35 | slef | paul_p: as in, serial sessions |
| 14:35 | paul_p | only 1 track, right = http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]me-td3069529.html |
| 14:36 | slef | gmcharlt: we'd need library consultants to submit it, true |
| 14:36 | do any of the archives offer us a neat overview of topics/themes discussed over the last year? | |
| 14:36 | kmkale | spreading koha++ |
| 14:37 | gmcharlt | slef: I don't recall that the Texas conference had a particular theme, as such |
| 14:37 | mtj | and teaching/encouraging libraries to attempt Koha install/migrations themselves |
| 14:37 | kmkale | #help gmcharlt to draft call for papers |
| 14:38 | paul_p | kmkale, do you think attendees will be more "I don't nothing about OSS & Koha" or "I may be interested in Koha, let me know more" ? |
| 14:38 | the programme would/could be different depending on the expected audience. | |
| 14:38 | slef | mtj: I'm unsure of that, for more than the obvious reason (my sales), because it risks koha becoming seen as more for those who want to try DIY |
| 14:38 | kmkale | paul_p: attendees will be interested in Koha, let me know more |
| 14:39 | paul_p | kmkale, in Paris, day 1 was for full-newbies day 2 was "I already use or plan to use Koha, tell me more" |
| 14:39 | slef | mtj: but definitely a more mainstream intro to the liveCD and virtual machine versions would be good. |
| 14:39 | kmkale | paul_p: koha awareness is quite high |
| 14:39 | slef | mtj: I think there was a cloud/VM type intro in hackfest, but not in con? |
| 14:40 | kmkale | somebody had suggested sessions on how to setup dev installs and getting started on koha dev |
| 14:40 | or was it for the hackfest? | |
| 14:40 | mtj | kmkale: hackfest i think |
| 14:41 | slef | I guess a session on community participation for the masses (bug reporting demo, RFC demo, ...) might be good, if we get talks offered? |
| 14:41 | kmkale | anyone interested in helping with the site http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs |
| 14:41 | ? | |
| 14:41 | mtj | kohacon10 hackfest |
| 14:41 | kmkale | yes slef good idea |
| 14:41 | i can give access to the site | |
| 14:41 | slef | kmkale: what sort of help? I'm now registered, thank you for the change. |
| 14:42 | kmkale | I have put several placeholders in the site where I dont know what text to put |
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| 14:44 | gmcharlt | slef: +1 # community participation session |
| 14:45 | paul_p | do we switch to the 2nd part of the KohaCon now ? (not clear to me) |
| 14:45 | slef | kmkale: I'm happy to admin following requests from people, but I'd rather not lead any task just now if anyone else wants to do it (I have some local elections in May and July). |
| 14:45 | paul_p: 2nd part of the KohaCon? | |
| 14:45 | paul_p | ie: do we speak of the 2nd part? |
| 14:46 | (sorry, i've a meeting in // ...) | |
| 14:46 | kmkale | slef: I will give you access. |
| 14:46 | slef | paul_p: define "2nd part"? |
| 14:46 | hackfest? | |
| 14:46 | paul_p | slef, the hackfest/developer part |
| 14:46 | yep | |
| 14:46 | somebody had suggested sessions on how to setup dev installs and getting started on koha dev | |
| 14:46 | or was it for the hackfest? | |
| 14:46 | => kmkale few mn ago | |
| 14:47 | slef | paul_p: not specifically AIUI we're talking about general organisation |
| 14:47 | kmkale | everyone please go through the site and let me know any text changes etc. |
| 14:48 | anyone wants rights on conf management in OCS let me know | |
| 14:48 | paul_p: move on to hackfest? | |
| 14:50 | paul_p | kmkale, you decide, if you think you've informations you need/want for the 1st part ;-) |
| 14:50 | mtj | kmkale: i now have an ocs account , will do… |
| 14:50 | kmkale | to summarize 1st part lets send out call for papers, open registrations, review papers as they come in, after a while start thinking about organizing sessions |
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| 14:51 | kmkale | get help in travel guides |
| 14:51 | from different parts of the world | |
| 14:52 | decide on keynote themes | |
| 14:52 | did i miss out anything? | |
| 14:53 | next meeting I will report progress from our sub comitees | |
| 14:53 | one more thing how about a call for sponsors? | |
| 14:53 | slef | kmkale++ |
| 14:53 | can ocs help with that? | |
| 14:54 | kmkale | ocshttp://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/[…]ut/organizingTeam |
| 14:54 | has a section on sponsors | |
| 14:55 | & anather on sources of support | |
| 14:55 | slef | could I add Registration Type: Prospective-Sponsor, perhaps? |
| 14:55 | kmkale | but thats just text |
| 14:55 | actual work has to be done by us :) | |
| 14:55 | paul_p | kmkale, you can also ask or suggest about sociolizing time (what to do after each day ?) |
| 14:55 | kmkale | slef: good idea |
| 14:56 | paul_p: good idea. so i can come up with a list of places to visit, shopping, get together, dinner etc etc | |
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| 14:57 | slef | kmkale: ok, I will add that when I have ocs admin. |
| 14:57 | kmkale | slef:++ |
| 14:57 | paul_p | kmkale, do you plan to organize something ? in Texas, there was a baseball match, in NZ a maori experience,... |
| 14:58 | kmkale | planning on a day trip to Mumbai |
| 14:58 | paul_p | (everybody pays for this event, but you organize) |
| 14:58 | kmkale, great ! | |
| 14:58 | slef | Sorry but I am going to have to leave in about 5min |
| 14:59 | kmkale | paul_p: hackfest discussion now? |
| 14:59 | mtj | mumbai trip sounds great |
| 14:59 | paul_p | kmkale, if you want. |
| 15:00 | kmkale | take it away paul_p |
| 15:00 | paul_p | (I repeat what I already have said) my strong opinion is that we must have 2 different parts: one to help ppl learning how to hack, and one for hacking |
| 15:01 | kmkale | length pf hackfest? |
| 15:01 | paul_p | both are equally important. |
| 15:01 | kmkale | learn to hack++ |
| 15:01 | paul_p | kmkale, as long as possible 3days not enough according to me |
| 15:01 | kmkale | we can organize let hackers say how long they want |
| 15:01 | paul_p | 2 days learning to hack, then 3 days hack would be perfect ! |
| 15:02 | kmkale | paul_p: including weekends or excluding |
| 15:02 | ? | |
| 15:03 | paul_p | excluding |
| 15:03 | ++ to have some rest during the we | |
| 15:03 | kmkale | ok so 31st oct is monday |
| 15:03 | paul_p | experimented in NZ = everybody was toooooo tired on hackfect day 3 ! |
| 15:03 | kmkale | so mon, tue, wed conference proper |
| 15:03 | paul_p | in France, wk 1 = conf, then we, then wk2 = hackers |
| 15:03 | kmkale | thursday mumbai trip |
| 15:04 | fri, sat learn to hack | |
| 15:04 | sun rest | |
| 15:04 | mon, tue, wed hack | |
| 15:04 | ?? | |
| 15:04 | paul_p | sounds really good ! |
| 15:04 | kmkale | in all 10 days |
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| 15:05 | kmkale | can hackfest stuff be done in a classroom of say 30 ppl? |
| 15:06 | mtj | yeah, i think so |
| 15:06 | paul_p | kmkale, I feel yes |
| 15:06 | kmkale | cool then we have many |
| 15:06 | paul_p | but if you get 18k attendees, you may get 300 developers ;-) |
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| 15:07 | paul_p | in France we were 15, in Texas about 15, in NZ about 15 too ! |
| 15:07 | kmkale | hehe if that happens paul_p then biblibre better bring all its developers to teach parallel learn to hack sessions :) |
| 15:08 | paul_p | lol |
| 15:09 | kmkale | shall we toss around the hackfest discussion on thge lists so that we get more opinions? people really may not have 10 days |
| 15:09 | paul_p | kmkale, if you pay the trip to all of us, then we could all come ;-) |
| 15:09 | slef | I'm mobile so sorry for late/intermittent comments: remember that each extra day a travelling worker attends is probably an increased cost to their Koha buyers. |
| 15:10 | kmkale | paul_p: if I could pay i would have attended kohacon in NZ ;) |
| 15:10 | paul_p | i've the opposite opinion: once i'm here, I want to ROI my investment ;-) |
| 15:10 | mtj | yeah, i agree with paul :) |
| 15:10 | kmkale | ya mtj is coming eraly for Diwali too :) |
| 15:11 | slef | so do I, but I don't see much return for us in past hackfests |
| 15:11 | kohacon more return, hackfest less | |
| 15:11 | kmkale | ok how do we go about finilizing hackfest duration and format? mailing list? vote? |
| 15:12 | mtj | aww, the friendship and experience is nice, for hackfests |
| 15:13 | slef | mtj: we have lots of friendship and experience within the co-op :) |
| 15:13 | mtj | perhaps we discuss on the mailing lists for the next week? |
| 15:13 | or do we just vote now? | |
| 15:13 | kmkale | mailing lists is better imho |
| 15:13 | slef | final decision or decision method is up to kmkale IMO |
| 15:13 | paul_p | mailing list++ |
| 15:14 | kmkale | slef: about hackfest its really upto developers |
| 15:14 | i don't want to be sitting there alone ;) | |
| 15:14 | mtj | mailling list++ |
| 15:14 | kmkale | so paul_p will you send a mail to the list about hackfest duration format proposal? |
| 15:14 | slef | @karma list |
| 15:14 | huginn | slef: Karma for "list" has been increased 3 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 2. |
| 15:15 | slef | @karma mailing list |
| 15:15 | huginn | slef: mailing list has neutral karma. |
| 15:15 | paul_p | kmkale, if you want, or you can do it yourself if you prefer. I let you choose (it's your KohaCon ;) ) |
| 15:15 | kmkale | paul_p please do it if you can |
| 15:15 | paul_p | ok, will do |
| 15:16 | kmkale | thanks paul_p++ |
| 15:16 | also how do we go about getting some sponsors? | |
| 15:16 | mtj | mailing-list again, i think.... |
| 15:17 | slef | once there's a sponsor registration type, let's call for sponsors on list, web and newsletter? |
| 15:17 | kmkale | slef yes good idea |
| 15:18 | #action kmkale to give slef and gmcharlt admin rights on OCS | |
| 15:18 | #action paul_p to send out hackfest discussion mail | |
| 15:18 | anyone else has anything to discuss? any question to ask maybe? | |
| 15:19 | gmcharlt | #action gmcharlt to draft the call for presentatins |
| 15:19 | kmkale | #action slef to create sponsor registration type post getting admin rights |
| 15:19 | time and date for next volunteers meeting? | |
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| 15:20 | mtj | 2 or 4 weeks away? or too soon? |
| 15:21 | kmkale | how about monthly meeting? rotated 8hrs? |
| 15:21 | mtj | yeah, perfect |
| 15:21 | kmkale | i had a couple of regrets due to the time of meeting today |
| 15:21 | paul_p | ++ for me too |
| 15:22 | kmkale | 5th april? |
| 15:23 | or 8th | |
| 15:23 | paul_p | 8th sound OK to me |
| 15:24 | kmkale | time? |
| 15:24 | wahanui1 | i heard time was a scary thing |
| 15:24 | kmkale | huh |
| 15:24 | do we try to get the time as per most of volunteers convinience or go by the 8 hr thing? | |
| 15:25 | slef | make sure it's sane for you, then rotate or not as you wish IMO |
| 15:25 | gmcharlt | kmkale: it's up to you |
| 15:25 | mtj | 8 hr thing ++ |
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| 15:27 | kmkale | 6.00 uts on 8th april then? |
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| 15:27 | kmkale | *UTC |
| 15:28 | paul_p | kmkale, OK for me |
| 15:28 | kmkale | paul_p: I was afraid you would say too early ;) |
| 15:29 | agreed? 8th april 6.00UTC ?? | |
| 15:29 | mtj | agreed |
| 15:30 | paul_p | kmkale, will be 8AM for me (summer time), so OK |
| 15:30 | gmcharlt | agreed |
| 15:30 | kmkale | #action next irc meeting of Kohacon11 volunteers on 8th April 2011 at 6.00UTC |
| 15:31 | end meeting? | |
| 15:31 | be happy to answer any queries about Thane, India, VPM etc | |
| 15:32 | paul_p | ok for end meeting |
| 15:32 | kmkale | #endmeeting |
| 15:32 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.2.5 is now available | Next IRC meeting 6 Apr. 2011 10:00 UTC+0 | http://koha-community.org | This channel is logged | Pastes at http://paste.koha-community.org | |
| 15:32 | huginn | Meeting ended Tue Mar 8 15:39:54 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:32 | Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]-03-08-14.01.html | |
| 15:32 | Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]1-03-08-14.01.txt | |
| 15:32 | Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]08-14.01.log.html | |
| 15:32 | mtj | cool, nice work kmkale :) |
| 15:32 | kmkale | :) |
| 15:33 | slef | I think it would be great if you could write a quick guide page about Thane, India and VPM on the wiki or ocs :) |
| 15:34 | kmkale | slef: will get someone in VPM to do that asap |
| 15:34 | slef | kmkale: thanks |
| 15:35 | paul_p | kmkale, sweet dreams! |
| 15:35 | kmkale | bye all and a big thanks to all of you for helping :) |
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| 15:36 | * magnuse | has taken a bit of a liberty: http://lanyrd.com/2011/kohacon11/ |
| 15:44 | magnuse is now known as magnus_away | |
| 16:08 | sekjal | quick ping of the collective brainpool: anyone know of any work on patron self-registration? |
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| 16:18 | hdl | sekjal: not here in Marseille |
| 16:18 | gmcharlt | sekjal: nor in Florida |
| 16:19 | sekjal | okay, thanks... a partner of ours got what looks like some bad information, so wanted to check to see if I was missing something |
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| 16:38 | jwagner | Would someone who knows authorities like to take a look at Bug 5842 ? |
| 16:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5842 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Cross-Reference links to authorized fields give incomplete search results |
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| 16:39 | jcamins | jwagner: around? |
| 16:39 | jwagner | yes |
| 16:40 | jcamins | jwagner: never mind, that was a dumb question. You just said something. |
| 16:40 | jwagner | I could have been sleep-typing :-) |
| 16:40 | jcamins | No, I think that was me. ;) |
| 16:40 | I'm looking for my related bug. | |
| 16:41 | jwagner | about authorities & cross-ref searches? I didn't spot anything likely, but I don't seem to have good luck searching bugzilla |
| 16:42 | jcamins | Yeah, it was just pushed. |
| 16:42 | Hm. Bugzilla is down. | |
| 16:42 | Bug 5810. | |
| 16:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5810 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Subject tracings should search complete subfields |
| 16:42 | jcamins | I actually implemented a syspref that does exactly what you describe. |
| 16:43 | jwagner | Making it do a zebra search instead of an authority search? |
| 16:43 | jcamins | Right. |
| 16:43 | TracingsUseAuthorities or something like that. | |
| 16:44 | UseAuthoritiesForTracings | |
| 16:44 | jwagner | And you got it to work in staff XSLT? I couldn't for some reason. |
| 16:44 | jcamins | Yeah, there were some problems with that. |
| 16:45 | I also restructured some of the XSLTs a bit. | |
| 16:45 | The problem is that our XSLT processor does not follow the standard wrt scoping. | |
| 16:45 | jwagner | So you were solving a quite different problem, but the solution might work for mine as well. |
| 16:46 | jcamins | I solved two problems, actually. |
| 16:46 | Mine and yours. | |
| 16:46 | I couldn't get a sign-off for *my* solution, because everyone else ran into your problem. | |
| 16:46 | ;) | |
| 16:47 | jwagner | Hrrrmmmm. I still have not figured out the signoff process (or how to download and apply a patch), but I might be tempted to for thiis.... |
| 16:49 | jcamins | Oh, that wasn't pushed. It must have been pushed to a branch. |
| 16:49 | jwagner: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gn_off_on_patches | |
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| 16:51 | jcamins | jwagner: you'll probably need to change "origin/master" to "kc/master" (or whatever you call your koha-community.org remote). |
| 16:51 | jwagner | Can I just ftp the patch file to my server & apply that way? |
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| 16:51 | jcamins | Yeah, that's the step before the wiki page picks up. |
| 16:52 | I guess I should fix that. | |
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| 16:59 | jwagner | jcamins, lots of merge conflicts, let's see if I can figure out how to resolve them. |
| 17:00 | jcamins | Yeah, it's based on latest Master. |
| 17:01 | jwagner | That's what I'm working on |
| 17:01 | jcamins | Hm. |
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| 17:01 | jwagner | lots of problems with the installer files |
| 17:01 | jcamins | And you got merge conflicts? |
| 17:02 | That's not good. | |
| 17:02 | jwagner | So far they seem to be nugatory -- just remove the <<< lines |
| 17:03 | jcamins | Oh, I bet it was my other patch that was pushed. |
| 17:03 | atz | that would do it |
| 17:03 | jwagner | I'm using the patch file that was attached to the bug |
| 17:03 | should I be using something else? | |
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| 17:04 | jcamins | jwagner: oh, it looks like the one attached to the bug isn't the latest. |
| 17:04 | I'll attach a new one. | |
| 17:05 | Hold on. | |
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| 17:05 | jwagner | Argghh! I think I just got through fixing the conflicts :-) |
| 17:05 | jcamins | It'll be exactly the same, except signed-off. |
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| 17:10 | jwagner | OK, how do I break out of this unfinished merge on this branch and start over? |
| 17:11 | It's got lots of files it's complaining about, and I just want to scrap everything. | |
| 17:11 | jcamins | git am --abort I think |
| 17:12 | jwagner | No, not a valid flag. |
| 17:12 | druthb1 | git am --skip |
| 17:12 | jwagner | Tried skipping, that didn't work either. |
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| 17:13 | jwagner | Now I'm trying git checkout for all the filenames, doesn't seem to like that either :-( |
| 17:13 | jcamins | git reset --hard qa-bug_5810 |
| 17:14 | * jcamins | generaly takes the sledgehammer approach to git repository management |
| 17:14 | jcamins | s/generaly/generally |
| 17:14 | jwagner | Well, that worked :-) |
| 17:14 | Now download the new patch & start over? | |
| 17:15 | jcamins | Right. |
| 17:17 | jwagner | Argh. Just as many merge conflicts, sigh. |
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| 17:27 | jwagner | Finally got a version merged -- I think the wiki page is missing a step. I had to do a git add <filename> for all the modified files before resuming the merge |
| 17:28 | jcamins, your two sysprefs, for what I want to do, should they both be set to 'don't'? | |
| 17:28 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 17:31 | jwagner | Hmmm. I see one problem. OPAC works the way I want it to (use zebra instead of the authority link). Staff, the staff results list uses the au: search instead of authority link for author. However, if you display the title record, the author link is still the authority record. |
| 17:31 | subject links are OK in staff display | |
| 17:36 | jcamins | jwagner: hm. I will work up a follow-up patch for you to sign. |
| 17:36 | Or you could work up a follow-up patch for me to sign, which might be more efficient. | |
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| 17:40 | jwagner | Assuming I understand how your patch works.... |
| 17:40 | jcamins | It's very straightforward. |
| 17:43 | Yeah, looks like I just forgot to add "and $UseAuthoritiesForTracings='1'" to the showAuthor template. | |
| 17:48 | jwagner | Yep, had to change MARC21slim2intranetDetail.xsl and MARC21slimUtils.xsl but it seems to be working now. |
| 17:48 | So now how do I format the patch? I assume since I modified it I can't do the signoff bit | |
| 17:49 | jcamins | git format-patch -s origin/master |
| 17:49 | That'll give you two files. | |
| 17:49 | jwagner | I have to git commit first, don't I |
| 17:50 | ? | |
| 17:50 | jcamins | Oh, yes. |
| 17:50 | jwagner | Regular old git commit, or something fancy? |
| 17:50 | jcamins | Just a regular git commit. |
| 17:51 | jwagner | OK, got the two files. Upload them both to the bugzilla page, or just the second one? |
| 17:52 | jcamins | Both. |
| 17:53 | I'll sign off on the follow up, and resend it to the list. | |
| 17:53 | (since it's changed) | |
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| 17:54 | jwagner | Mark your singed-off version as obsolete? |
| 17:54 | Brooke_ | kia ora! |
| 17:54 | druthb | hi, Brooke_ :) |
| 17:55 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 17:55 | jwagner | that's signed, not singed :-) |
| 17:55 | OK, all uploaded. | |
| 17:56 | jcamins | Thanks! |
| 17:56 | Brooke_ | sechsy: http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11522 |
| 17:57 | jwagner | Thank you for the fix! |
| 17:57 | jcamins | You're welcome. :) |
| 17:58 | jwagner | one caveat, though, which I'll add to the bug report -- your patch didn't address UNIMARC files, correct? |
| 17:58 | jcamins | That's correct. |
| 17:58 | jwagner | They also use the code=9 construct |
| 17:58 | jcamins | Yeah, but the XSLT is structured very differently, and I wasn't confident of my ability to test. |
| 17:59 | jwagner | We'll let a UNIMARC user do that one -- just wanted to point it out in the bug report. |
| 18:00 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 18:01 | jwagner | To clarify, you're now going to sign off (and thus send another patch file)? |
| 18:01 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 18:03 | Brooke_ | jcamins++ |
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| 18:44 | Brooke_ | don't all talk at once. |
| 18:49 | * ibeardslee | was just waiting for a quiet moment |
| 18:49 | * Brooke_ | suspects so. |
| 18:49 | Brooke_ | clearly everyone saves their chattiness for a meeting. |
| 18:50 | * wizzyrea | is not feeling very chatty |
| 18:50 | * druthb | isn't, either, much. |
| 18:51 | Brooke_ | lies! |
| 18:51 | druthb | @quote get 102 |
| 18:51 | huginn | druthb: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010) |
| 18:52 | Brooke_ | huginn druthb? |
| 18:52 | huginn | Brooke_: downloading the Perl source |
| 18:52 | Brooke_ | wha?! |
| 18:52 | wahanui1 druthb? | |
| 18:52 | wahanui1 | druthb is a rockstar! |
| 18:52 | * druthb | blushes. |
| 18:52 | Brooke_ | Hmph. I suppose that'll do. |
| 18:52 | druthb | wahanui1: Brooke_? |
| 18:52 | wahanui1 | rumour has it Brooke_ is hearing no objections |
| 18:53 | Brooke_ | that one could be worse, I suppose. |
| 18:53 | jcamins | My cat has a cold, too. :( |
| 18:53 | Brooke_ | oh really? |
| 18:53 | Is it still eating properly? | |
| 18:53 | * Brooke_ | s cat sneezed all over her at one point many moons ago. |
| 18:54 | jcamins | I think he's eating. |
| 18:55 | Brooke_ | pfft, tomcats. |
| 18:55 | jcamins | Brooke_: technically "he" is an "it," but we let him pretend that's not the case. ;) |
| 18:56 | Brooke_ | what's his name? |
| 18:57 | jcamins | Myshkin. |
| 18:57 | * Brooke_ | points out that this is all very important from a development standpoint. |
| 18:57 | Brooke_ | ooh I like that. |
| 18:58 | after the idiot or the place? | |
| 18:58 | jcamins | The Prince. :) |
| 18:58 | * Brooke_ | nods. |
| 18:59 | Brooke_ | off I go. |
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| 20:10 | wizzyrea | cait: these are evil, and wonderful: http://www.germandeli.com/pastaflagga.html |
| 20:11 | cait | ah haribo |
| 20:11 | :) | |
| 20:11 | about the sql statement: it was not always there, got in with the parameters in sql reports - and because the current output is very ugly | |
| 20:11 | in my eyes | |
| 20:12 | but I am open for discussion here - at least it should be formatted | |
| 20:12 | it's not even wrapped in a html tag I can hide at the moment | |
| 20:13 | wizzyrea | formatting = good, ability to hide = good |
| 20:13 | i personally like seeing it | |
| 20:14 | cait | okok |
| 20:14 | but have no time to work on it today | |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | it's cool :) |
| 20:14 | no worries | |
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| 21:45 | cait | sekjal: reading about your idea for the cart - how would we seelct items into the cart? |
| 21:46 | at the moment it works from the record and from the result list | |
| 21:48 | sekjal | where it's possible to select items individually (like on the details page) we could, either with checkboxes or links like "add to cart" |
| 21:48 | from search results, it could be defaulted to add all items for the title | |
| 21:48 | then they could be removed later | |
| 21:53 | cait | ok, no more questions :) |
| 21:53 | I like the idea | |
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| 22:01 | sekjal | we'd also be able to have an interface to add them to cart from a barcode scanner |
| 22:02 | cait | :) |
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| 22:23 | sekjal | okay, time to go do taxes... |
| 22:23 | wizzyrea | gl |
| 22:23 | * sekjal | crosses fingers for a goodly sized refund |
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| 23:01 | Judit | hi |
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| 23:49 | mtj | quick 3m self check quesyion here....... |
| 23:49 | anyone know of anyone using them? | |
| 23:52 | rhcl_away | I think sekjal would probably know of people using them |
| 23:52 | and maybe wizzyrea | |
| 23:53 | mtj | yeah, ill ask liz/nekls/bywater |
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