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| 00:18 | Brooke_ | kia ora |
| 00:18 | rangi | hi Brooke_ |
| 00:19 | Brooke_ | :) |
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| 00:20 | * Brooke_ | waves to Chris N |
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| 00:58 | chris_n | a bit off topic, but does anybody have any experience writing hex out an inet socket in perl? |
| 00:59 | mtj | heh, nope :) |
| 01:05 | eythian | chris_n: writing hex? Just use 'print'? |
| 01:06 | chris_n | eythian: that's what I'm doing, but somebody is doing some foo on it somewhere |
| 01:07 | because tcpdump shows the data in the packet is not correct | |
| 01:07 | eythian | https://www.indexdata.com/blog[…]n-source-software <-- interesting |
| 01:07 | ah | |
| 01:07 | chris_n | http://scsys.co.uk:8002/90480?[…]submit=Format+it! |
| 01:07 | eythian | I've done very little network stuff with Perl, so probably aren't much help. |
| 01:07 | * chris_n | either |
| 01:09 | is doing a bit of hacking on a piece of equipment control hardware which uses a proprietary data protocol | |
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| 01:11 | eythian | ah, fun times :/ |
| 01:14 | mtj | thats gansta |
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| 01:30 | oleonard | I have an off-topic question for anyone who's around |
| 01:31 | Anyone use Ekiga? | |
| 01:31 | Is that the preferred video chat tool on Linux? | |
| 01:31 | chris_n | the guys on #perl are awesome if I do say so |
| 01:31 | * chris_n | has that box spilling its guts now :) |
| 01:31 | eythian | oleonard: I used it a long time ago, and yes. |
| 01:32 | oleonard | eythian: Did you use it to connect to people on other platforms? |
| 01:32 | eythian | oleonard: hmm. I don't think so, but possibly. I was running through an asterisk server. |
| 01:33 | though, I have done direct connections with other people on ekiga. | |
| 01:42 | oleonard | Thanks eythian |
| 01:47 | brendan_ | @wunder 93109 |
| 01:47 | huginn | brendan_: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 10.8�C (5:53 PM PST on February 28, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Steady). |
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| 05:00 | Brooke_ | kia ora |
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| 05:45 | kmkale | Namaskar #koha |
| 05:45 | Brooke_ | Namaskar |
| 05:45 | kmkale | :) |
| 05:45 | Brooke_ | how are things? |
| 05:45 | kmkale | gr8 |
| 05:47 | Brooke_ | lovely to hear! |
| 05:51 | kmkale | rangi: around? |
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| 06:22 | rangi | sorta kmkale |
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| 06:25 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 06:25 | rangi | hi cait |
| 06:26 | cait | hi :) |
| 06:26 | eythian | nyarg, mysql 5.0 doesn't have XML functions :( |
| 06:26 | Brooke_ | guten tag |
| 06:26 | rangi | what is running 5.0 ? |
| 06:26 | eythian | my dev setup :) |
| 06:27 | rangi | ahh, time to update :) |
| 06:27 | eythian | (preparing to squeezify it now) |
| 06:28 | cait | is it possible that the xml functions are much slower than some weird substring() constructs I used before? |
| 06:28 | eythian | dunno, this is a one-off thing I need to do as part of a migration script (to look up the IDs from the legacy system that I stash in the MARC) |
| 06:29 | cait | :) |
| 06:29 | I need it for control-number all the time, and for the additionl fields in items | |
| 06:29 | but it's still very cool | |
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| 06:30 | eythian | I'm also very much a proponent of using XML tools for parsing XML. I've seen it done wrong too many times. |
| 06:31 | kmkale | hi cait |
| 06:31 | cait | hi kmkale :) |
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| 06:34 | * kmkale | waves at indradg |
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| 06:35 | Cybermon | hello |
| 06:35 | i have question, anyone help me | |
| 06:35 | * indradg | waves back at kmkale :) |
| 06:36 | cait | hi Cybermon, ask your question, before we don't know if we can help you :) |
| 06:36 | Cybermon | thanks Cait ! |
| 06:37 | I just installed the koha for ubuntu. this installation made by apt-get install. koha version is 3.03.00.017 | |
| 06:38 | may I need for update the koha version ? | |
| 06:38 | for example 3.2.5 etc... | |
| 06:41 | cait | hm it looks like you instlled the dev version - 3.03 is above the 3.2.x versions |
| 06:41 | I haven't used the packages so far, eythian still around? | |
| 06:41 | Cybermon | okay. |
| 06:42 | cait | which manual did you use? |
| 06:42 | eythian | apt-get will keep you up to date, but yeah, 3.3 is the dev version. It depends what you're trying to do as to which you should use. |
| 06:43 | Cybermon | how can i enable 084 OTHER CLASSIFICATION NUMBER for cataloging section ?, i have only 082DEWEY DECIMAL CLASSIFICATION NUMBER for cataloging section. |
| 06:44 | cait | administration > bibliographic marc frameworks |
| 06:44 | you can make additionl fields show there | |
| 06:44 | rangi | did you add the squeeze or squeeze-dev repo? |
| 06:44 | Cybermon | i am using the Wayne State University Koha 3.0 Reference Manual |
| 06:45 | rangi | thats probably not very good for 3.3.x (which will be 3.4.0 when its released) |
| 06:45 | Cybermon | i see |
| 06:46 | rangi | http://koha-community.org/docu[…]on/3-4-manual-en/ |
| 06:46 | Cybermon | thanks. |
| 06:49 | Home › Administration › System Preferences > IntranetBiblioDefaultView > ISBN form (see below) enabled | |
| 06:50 | then #082|<br/><br/><label>Dewey Class. No.: </label>|{ 082a }{ / 082b }| #084|<br/><br/><label>Russian. No.: </label>|{ 084a }{ / 084b }| | |
| 06:51 | but I could not see #084 for koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl | |
| 06:53 | rangi | 19:50 < cait> administration > bibliographic marc frameworks |
| 06:53 | 19:50 < cait> you can make additionl fields show there | |
| 06:54 | Cybermon | i have #koha deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze-dev main |
| 06:54 | for sources.list | |
| 06:54 | rangi | then yes you are running the dev releases, not the stable ones |
| 06:55 | Cybermon | how can i use stable version ? |
| 06:55 | or install the stable version of koha ? | |
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| 06:57 | jransom | evening all |
| 06:57 | cait | hi jransom :) |
| 06:57 | jransom | hiya Cailin |
| 06:58 | eythian | Cybermon: the squeeze-dev repo is the dev release, the 'squeeze' one, which you have commented out, is the stable one. |
| 06:59 | Cybermon | okay. |
| 06:59 | eythian | if you switch your comment character (#) to the other one, and then run update, remove koha-common and reinstall it, you should get the stable version. |
| 06:59 | by 'run update' I mean run apt-get update | |
| 07:00 | Cybermon | thanks a lot. |
| 07:01 | i will do it | |
| 07:04 | cait | ok, time to get ready for work |
| 07:04 | bbl | |
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| 07:18 | rangi | right loaded in 35343 marc records from project guteberg |
| 07:18 | gutenberg even | |
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| 07:46 | hdl | hi |
| 07:46 | magnuse | hiya |
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| 07:47 | hdl | rangi: what would be the RAM requirements for jenkins and which module have you installed ? BibLibre could be interested in hosting the site. |
| 07:48 | rangi | needs about a gig to run smoothly, if we have a decent sized disk we can keep more history too, which makes tracking coverage easier |
| 07:49 | getting jenkins up and going is pretty easy, add the apt repository, apt-get install it, and its done | |
| 07:50 | getting the koha part set up is what takes a bit of mucking around but its not too bad, just need to dump the db thats on the current one, and copy it over | |
| 07:52 | hdl | will talk with paul and send you an email when a VM is up and running... We will then be able to import the database. |
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| 07:54 | francharb | morning #koha |
| 07:55 | magnuse | biblibre++ |
| 07:55 | francharb | \0/ |
| 07:55 | ;) | |
| 07:55 | magnuse | o/ |
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| 08:01 | magnuse | kia ora paul_p |
| 08:01 | rangi | its probably easiest if i get a login to set it up then hand it over, theres a bunch of setting up environmental variables etc |
| 08:08 | kf | biblibre++ |
| 08:08 | jenkins++ | |
| 08:08 | @karma hudson | |
| 08:08 | huginn | kf: Karma for "hudson" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. |
| 08:11 | kf | lib-web-cats tells 1218 koha libraries today - about 300 more than a year ago. And it's only the installations listed there... :) |
| 08:12 | magnuse | yay! |
| 08:12 | i have been telling people it says "about 1000", guess i better change that to "about 1200" ;-) | |
| 08:14 | kf | hehe |
| 08:17 | paul_p | hello everybody ! |
| 08:20 | kf | hi paul_p |
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| 08:29 | paul_p | rangi++ for PS the Jenkins story is an interesting one, and one worth reading |
| 08:29 | about, a lot of how not to interact with a free software community | |
| 08:29 | lessons to be learnt there. | |
| 08:29 | ;-) | |
| 08:30 | rangi | the people who should read it wont im afraid :) |
| 08:32 | paul_p | i'm afraid too, but we still can hope... |
| 08:35 | rangi | yep |
| 08:36 | paul_p | rangi do you have a few min to speak about the integration of our branches (or we plan a time later) ? |
| 08:39 | rangi | yep, have a few mins |
| 08:40 | paul_p | rangi, is there something new ? on my side, couldn't find time to work on complementary patches as I promised to do :( |
| 08:42 | rangi | just adding more bugs/patches, i hope to finish all of them in the next 2 weeks, and from then on i will start testing any that others havent gotten too, obviously if others can signoff before then, that will make that bit take a lot less time |
| 08:43 | paul_p | rangi, can I sign-off myself ? (patches are from us, but splitted by you, so I think it can be worth) |
| 08:43 | side note for all: julian, our student coming for 6 months has arrived today. | |
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| 08:46 | paul_p | rangi, do you know if there is a way in bugzilla for a given user to change what is displayed on results page ? (would be handy to also have bug reporter) |
| 08:46 | rangi | yeah |
| 08:46 | i have patch status that shows on my results | |
| 08:47 | paul_p | (rangi, I have it too, and I did nothing specific for that) |
| 08:48 | rangi | ahh i might have switched that on global |
| 08:49 | do a search | |
| 08:49 | scroll to the bottom | |
| 08:49 | see a button called 'change columns' | |
| 08:49 | that allows you to set up the columns you want to show | |
| 08:49 | paul_p | ok, got it ! |
| 08:49 | bugzilla++ | |
| 08:49 | rangi | its sets a cookie |
| 08:50 | magnuse | wow, cool! |
| 08:50 | rangi | so will stay the way you set it |
| 08:51 | paul_p | back to my previous question : can I sign-off BibLibre patches ? |
| 08:51 | rangi | id prefer outside signoff, but any sign off is better than none |
| 08:54 | paul_p | there's only 1 thing missing in the available columns, the dependancy (I think they could not have it because the dep graph can be complex...) |
| 08:54 | rangi | yeah |
| 09:00 | paul_p | rangi, thx for this small discussion. sweet evening & night. |
| 09:01 | rangi | hmm i think that was just an earthquake |
| 09:02 | paul_p | rangi, ??? |
| 09:02 | wahanui1 | rangi, is there something new ? on your side, couldn't find time to work on complementary patches as I promised to do :( |
| 09:02 | rangi | yes it was |
| 09:03 | paul_p | a new EQ now ? |
| 09:03 | rangi | well chch has been getting aftershocks (they will for the next few months, 5000ish since the first earthquake in september 4) |
| 09:04 | but i just felt that one, waiting for it to show up on geonet | |
| 09:04 | sijobl | cripes |
| 09:04 | I hope that wasn't in christchurch | |
| 09:04 | rangi | yeah me too |
| 09:04 | http://geonet.org.nz/earthquak[…]ums/mqz-drum.html | |
| 09:04 | thats the chch drum | |
| 09:05 | * paul_p | keep finger crossed too... |
| 09:05 | rangi | http://geonet.org.nz/earthquak[…]ums/wel-drum.html |
| 09:05 | nothing on the drums yet | |
| 09:05 | sijobl | paul: that was strong enough to have me running for the kids |
| 09:05 | I heard it coming | |
| 09:08 | ibeardslee | shite |
| 09:08 | kf | :( |
| 09:08 | sijobl | rangi: we've got tohias kids coming to stay shortly |
| 09:09 | wellington drum updated | |
| 09:10 | magnuse | oh, wow |
| 09:10 | sijobl | looks like it was further north of Wellington |
| 09:10 | rangi | http://geonet.org.nz/earthquak[…]ums/mrz-drum.html |
| 09:10 | sijobl | judging by the MRZ drump |
| 09:10 | rangi | yeah |
| 09:10 | ibeardslee | looks like they felt it though |
| 09:11 | magnuse | http://www.geonet.org.nz/earth[…]-interactive.html looks like several 5s in the wellington area? |
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| 09:11 | sijobl | that MQZ drum really doesn't make pretty reading |
| 09:11 | viewing, I should say | |
| 09:12 | mtj | i just felt one 10 mins ago in wgtn… was i imagining it? |
| 09:12 | magnuse | nope that looks rather crazy, sijobl |
| 09:13 | sijobl | the drums are in quite out of the way places |
| 09:13 | I'm guessing they're away from roads | |
| 09:14 | mtj | heya si :) |
| 09:14 | sijobl | and fairly well attached to some solid rock |
| 09:14 | hey mason | |
| 09:14 | rangi | no thats what we are talking about mtj |
| 09:14 | waiting for geonet to tell us magnitude and centre | |
| 09:16 | mtj | aaah, my dirc-proxy messages are timestamped off by 1 hour |
| 09:17 | sijobl | that'll rule you out as a human seismograph |
| 09:18 | mtj | [09:10] but i just felt that one, waiting for it to show up on geonet |
| 09:18 | sijobl | ohh, you're an hour early |
| 09:18 | mtj | rangi: your comment was really [10:10] |
| 09:18 | sijobl | they're definitely going to want you then |
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| 09:19 | mtj | wrong time on my linode server perhaps |
| 09:19 | rangi | did the tides tell you that? |
| 09:19 | * sijobl | guesses the geonet people have been run off their feet this week |
| 09:19 | rangi | yeah |
| 09:19 | sijobl | maybe they've just decided to go to the pub |
| 09:25 | rangi | ahh nice and deep, stay that way |
| 09:26 | http://geonet.org.nz/earthquak[…]uakes/latest.html | |
| 09:30 | sijobl | interesting comment from a geologist on the radio a couple of days ago that the earthquake in Chch was largely the saame depth and magnitude as the Bam earthquake in Iran |
| 09:30 | which killed almost 30,000 people | |
| 09:30 | mtj | wow, 30, 000 |
| 09:30 | sijobl | don't build you roof out of mud bricks |
| 09:31 | rangi | right im off to blenheim in the morning for a conference, time to sleep i think |
| 09:31 | sijobl | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Bam_earthquake |
| 09:31 | rangi | raupo sijobl, thats the ticket |
| 09:31 | * sijobl | laughs |
| 09:31 | sijobl | damn straight |
| 09:31 | rangi | course that has downsides in eruptions, ask the people around tarawera |
| 09:31 | sijobl | ideally, inside tepapa |
| 09:32 | mtj | i've got some late-nite prod kohas to upgrade... |
| 09:32 | sweet dreams chrissa :) | |
| 09:33 | and a 7am koha-irc meeting, i think | |
| 09:33 | (nz tyme) | |
| 09:34 | kf | hm |
| 09:36 | sijobl | i wonder if geonet know their felt it page is 404ing |
| 09:36 | magnuse | mtj: but not for another ~32 hours, i think? |
| 09:39 | mtj | magnuse: oops , you are correct |
| 09:39 | 18:00:00 Wednesday March 2, 2011 in UTC converts to 07:00:00 Thursday March 3, 2011 in NZ | |
| 09:41 | * magnuse | breathes a sigh of relief |
| 09:43 | kmkale | where in a biblio or item record marc field would I put vendors invoice number? |
| 09:43 | i mean which marc tag? | |
| 09:55 | mtj | yr invoice number is an aqorders record |
| 09:56 | yr item links to that record | |
| 09:56 | in other words.. you dont ;) | |
| 10:13 | kmkale | :( |
| 10:18 | mtj | well, i dont…but *you* could if you really needed too :) |
| 10:22 | kmkale | 530$a maybe? |
| 10:22 | "Description of the additional physical form(s) and any text not belonging in the other subfields" | |
| 10:26 | mtj | hah, pass… prolly a item-level 952 field is best |
| 10:26 | make a new 952$A perhaps? | |
| 10:27 | kmkale | & then map it in Koha? |
| 10:27 | mtj | fyi: i've never got round to testing UPPERCASE subfields 952$A , 952$B, etc |
| 10:28 | i recall galen saying they were valid?, by the marc specs... | |
| 10:28 | kmkale | brb. meeting |
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| 10:31 | mtj | hmmm, theres nothing really in the items table to map it to, afaict |
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| 11:28 | ebegin | good morning #koha! |
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| 11:32 | gmcharlt | mtj: yes, they're valid for local use |
| 11:32 | druthb | good morning, #koha. |
| 11:33 | magnus_lunch | o/ |
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| 11:39 | kf | hi druthb :) |
| 11:41 | druthb | hi, magnuse and kf. :) |
| 11:41 | magnuse | hiya druthb |
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| 12:36 | hdl | hi all |
| 12:37 | jwagner | bonjour hdl |
| 12:38 | mtj | heya hdl, thank you for helping out with the hudson/jenkins server |
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| 12:43 | JesseM | Good morning #Koha |
| 12:50 | druthb | hi, JesseM! :) |
| 12:51 | JesseM | Morning, druthb |
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| 12:53 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 13:00 | JesseM | Hi, jcamins |
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| 13:09 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:11 | nengard, I think sekjal's comment on Bug 5595 means he should take the bug ;) | |
| 13:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5595 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, can't search 'searchable' patron attributes |
| 13:11 | nengard | HA! |
| 13:11 | * oleonard | had never heard of git bisect |
| 13:11 | nengard | sekjal is recovering from a cold/flu thingy |
| 13:12 | oleonard | That's too bad. I noticed he hadn't been around. |
| 13:16 | nengard | he's back today, but he went to maine for me to do a training and got sick - which means that was the trip that would have gotten me sick this summer - so i am very appreciative!! |
| 13:19 | druthb | I think he shared some of it with me, somehow or other, or I caught something in Chicago that's just now catching up to me. |
| 13:24 | kf | paul_p around? |
| 13:24 | paul_p | kf, yep |
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| 13:33 | kmkale | o_O |
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| 13:42 | tcohen | hi oleonard |
| 13:42 | oleonard | Hi tcohen |
| 13:42 | tcohen | wanted to ask about cookies |
| 13:42 | when I set expires: 0 as you do | |
| 13:42 | they dont get saved between sessions | |
| 13:43 | is it the right behaviour? | |
| 13:43 | oleonard | Yes, that's what I wanted for my implementation |
| 13:43 | tcohen | perfect, I just thoght that meant "infinite" when saw your code |
| 13:44 | oleonard | I think the cookie will persist if you don't set any expiration |
| 13:44 | tcohen | how long do u think i'd make it live |
| 13:44 | i'll try, but read that no expires makes it a session cookie | |
| 13:45 | oleonard | I guess you're right |
| 13:47 | Maybe "expires: 365" ? | |
| 13:47 | tcohen | yeap, 365 |
| 13:47 | tested and firefox says Expires: Al finalizar la sesión | |
| 13:47 | (meaning in spanish, session cookie) | |
| 13:48 | ok, i'll submit, should I note on the bug that it depends on your bug (jquery.cookies) | |
| 13:49 | oleonard | tcohen: Why don't you go ahead and include the plugin with your patch |
| 13:49 | tcohen | no problem |
| 13:49 | didn't whant to make it difficult for maintainer | |
| 13:50 | :-D | |
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| 14:15 | tcohen | oleonard: sent |
| 14:15 | oleonard | Cool, I'll try to take a look later today |
| 14:26 | kf | hm, question what does the save button in opac do? |
| 14:26 | the one above a result list | |
| 14:26 | oleonard | It saves either to your cart or a list, depending on which is selected |
| 14:27 | Add to: -> Cart -> Save | |
| 14:27 | kf | hm |
| 14:27 | when I click on add to cart it works without the save | |
| 14:28 | mark items, pull down add to cart - saves | |
| 14:28 | when choosing new list a new window opens | |
| 14:29 | oleonard | kf: If you check no items, choose "Cart," you'll be warned that you need to add to cart. Then select items. You've already selected "Cart," so the onchange event can't fire now. You have to have a button to click. |
| 14:30 | kf | ah |
| 14:30 | thx | |
| 14:30 | oleonard | I mean you'll be warned you haven't selected any items. |
| 14:30 | kf | I was working on the stylesheets - why is the button green? |
| 14:30 | *ducks | |
| 14:30 | ;) | |
| 14:31 | oleonard | It's supposed to be kind of tan (#D8DEB8), but it depends on your monitor. |
| 14:31 | I certainly wouldn't mind if you changed it | |
| 14:33 | kf | sorry, wasn't really serious - I have changed in in my css |
| 14:35 | wizzyrea | oleonard: lol at your #hcod tweets |
| 14:38 | * magnuse | too! |
| 14:39 | oleonard | Thanks :) |
| 14:42 | kf | glue! |
| 14:42 | I liked them too :) | |
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| 14:54 | tcohen | #koha: is there an open discussion on whether to use marcxml or marc for zebra indexing? |
| 14:54 | i've known that marcxml lets fat records to be indexed | |
| 14:55 | (i.e. doesn't have marc record lenght limit) | |
| 14:57 | i'm willing to improve my patches for zebraqueue | |
| 14:57 | and will introduce a syspref for choosing marcxml or marc for indexing | |
| 14:57 | hence my question | |
| 14:58 | I definitely need to attend a KohaCon :-( | |
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| 15:06 | JesseM | NH state library did we set her up a test system? |
| 15:06 | wanted to know before i call her | |
| 15:06 | jcamins | JesseM: wrong window. |
| 15:10 | JesseM | Sorry ALL |
| 15:15 | jcamins | Any Debian packaging experts around? |
| 15:24 | liw | jcamins, I have time for a quick question |
| 15:25 | jcamins | liw: is there any way to install a package that usually asks for configuration options completely unattended? |
| 15:25 | Preferably by setting the configuration options through environment variable or command line argument. | |
| 15:26 | liw | jcamins, set the environment variable DEBIAN_FRONTEND to the value noninteractive |
| 15:28 | jcamins | Wow, that's really cool! It worked! |
| 15:28 | Thanks! | |
| 15:28 | liw++ | |
| 15:31 | tcohen | paul_p: in rebuild_zebra.pl, what is the difference between -noxml and -x (which sets as_xml) |
| 15:31 | ? | |
| 15:32 | is it ok to assume noxml could handle both? or there is a use case i might be ommiting where !noxml doesn't imply as_xml? | |
| 15:36 | jcamins | liw: is it safe to just run `sudo apt-get install debian-archive-keyring` when I get the error message about packages not being signed? |
| 15:36 | liw | jcamins, it should be |
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| 16:08 | paul_p | tcohen, the -x export the records as xml. If you add the --nosanitize it is MUCH faster than iso export (x10 or x20) |
| 16:08 | I never use --noxml | |
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| 16:51 | oleonard | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/inde[…]444347&oldid=prev |
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| 16:53 | oleonard | ohloh says "Over the past twelve months, 11 developers contributed new code to PTFS Koha fork." ?! |
| 16:53 | https://www.ohloh.net/p/Koha-P[…]/factoids/4250286 | |
| 16:53 | Where do they get that information? | |
| 16:54 | jcamins | oleonard: when did PTFS branch? |
| 16:54 | wizzyrea | bleh |
| 16:55 | jcamins | Even after the branch, of course, there's nothing to prevent them cherry-picking patches. |
| 16:56 | oleonard | What I object to is the Wikipedia entry revision saying "According to ohloh, both branches have a [v]ery large, active development team and a [m]ature, well-established codebase" |
| 16:56 | You can't cite ohloh's actual data to support the idea that "Koha-PTFS" has a large development team | |
| 16:59 | sekjal | apparently I'm the 5th most recent commit the fork: https://www.ohloh.net/p/Koha-P[…]ort=latest_commit |
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| 17:01 | sekjal | wow, lots of missing words in that previous message |
| 17:01 | I think I should go back to bed | |
| 17:01 | * sekjal | is sick, hence his recent absence from channel |
| 17:02 | gmcharlt | sekjal: feel better soon |
| 17:02 | sekjal | gmcharlt: thanks, working on it. drinking lots of tea |
| 17:03 | magnus_away is now known as magnuse | |
| 17:03 | magnuse | hope you get well soon, sekjal! |
| 17:03 | nengard | tea with lemon if he listed to jcamins :) hehe |
| 17:03 | listened | |
| 17:03 | not listed | |
| 17:03 | sekjal | thanks, magnuse |
| 17:03 | I listed jcamins somewhere.... perhaps on my ++ list | |
| 17:03 | oleonard | I would have thought jcamins would suggest 16 loaves of sourdough bread as a cure-all |
| 17:04 | nengard | LOL |
| 17:04 | jcamins | oleonard: that's not a bad idea, actually. |
| 17:04 | Sourdough bread dipped in green tea with lemon, if you need both. ;) | |
| 17:04 | nengard | what about the honey? |
| 17:04 | i need green tea with honey and lemon when i'm sick | |
| 17:04 | * sekjal | has soooo much honey in the house right now |
| 17:04 | nengard | hehe |
| 17:05 | sekjal | including some made from bamboo |
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| 17:05 | wizzy_m | tap tap is this thing on |
| 17:05 | * oleonard | cringes at the feedback |
| 17:06 | hdl | sekjal: you could test http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koh[…]f8a39a672a8dd873f for bug 5595 |
| 17:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5595 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, can't search 'searchable' patron attributes |
| 17:07 | sekjal | hdl: gladly |
| 17:08 | need to run an emergency errand right now, but when I get back, I'll download the patch and give it a test | |
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| 17:08 | hdl | It is referenced as : MT5757 for us. |
| 17:09 | oleonard | sekjal just remembered he forgot to buy Justin Bieber a present |
| 17:09 | wizzy_m | omg its beebs birthday |
| 17:10 | oleonard | Isn't it amazing? He'll be 13 before we know it. |
| 17:11 | wizzy_m | they grow up so fast |
| 17:11 | JesseM | JesseM_away |
| 17:11 | liw | is justin bieber the latest teenager-pop-star produced by the international music industry megacorporation? |
| 17:12 | oleonard | liw: Yes, and if you didn't already know that, congratulations. |
| 17:13 | liw | I've seen the name being ridiculed in various corners of the Internet |
| 17:13 | * oleonard | 's daughter, 7, falls within Bieber's zone of influence unfortunately |
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| 17:14 | * wizzy_m | has only heard a bieber song expanded 800x into an ambient masterpiece |
| 17:14 | nengard is now known as nengard_lunch | |
| 17:15 | magnuse is now known as magnus_dinner | |
| 17:15 | liw | I have no tv, no radio, and I don't expose myself to most other forms of corporate controlled mass-marketing, either, so I miss a lot of fleeting cultural phenomena |
| 17:15 | but never mind, continue as you were :) | |
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| 17:23 | druthb | The Beeb is in the ridicule corner at our house, too. My girls are too old to be captured by his wiles. |
| 17:25 | rhcl | I have some vague notion that Bieber went to the Barber recently, but that's more than I want to know about him. |
| 17:29 | Sounds like a children's book: "Bieber Goes to the Barber". Somebody will probably write it. | |
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| 17:58 | wizzyrea | reminds me of elepants |
| 17:58 | oh that's babar | |
| 18:00 | oleonard | "And then Bieber went to the department store, where he got his hair styled again and again until they asked him to leave" |
| 18:01 | druthb | lol |
| 18:01 | jcamins | Babar goes to the barber, where he meets Bieber? |
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| 19:23 | wizzyrea | for the USians: remember, the deadline for program proposals for KUDOSCon2011 is March 15! |
| 19:23 | kudos.koha-community.org | |
| 19:24 | mtj | oh, nice url... |
| 19:24 | wizzyrea | ;) |
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| 19:32 | oleonard | snail, I don't think you can justify the statement that "Koha-PTFS" has 'a ''[v]ery large, active development team''' based on ohloh's data, despite what ohloh says |
| 19:32 | wizzyrea | it's large compared to say, something like webconverger |
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| 19:32 | wizzyrea | but your point is valid |
| 19:32 | * wizzyrea | is feeling contrary today |
| 19:33 | oleonard | snail: According to ohloh the last commit to "Koha-PTFS" was almost a year ago |
| 19:33 | louis_systech | Hi everyone ! |
| 19:33 | wizzyrea | hi louis_systech |
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| 19:37 | louis2_systech | Hi again (it seems Chrome 10 and Mibbit don't work well together) |
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| 19:38 | Michael | Hey Gang |
| 19:38 | Michael is now known as Guest3140 | |
| 19:38 | louis2_systech | I have a quick question. Anyone know what "wrdl" does exactly when you search for "title" (ti,wrdl is used) ? And why is it used ? |
| 19:39 | Guest3140 | Anyone in the mood for an SQL Reports question? |
| 19:39 | mtj | oleonard: i agree re: ohloh |
| 19:39 | oleonard | Guest3140: We won't know until we hear the question ;) |
| 19:39 | Guest3140 | Looking at "Bibs with specific keyword in subjects" |
| 19:40 | mtj | if i forked the koha codebase today, called it furby, and linked it on ohloh... |
| 19:40 | Guest3140 | What I'd like is Bibs with a specific keyword that appears in just about any field. Or, |
| 19:40 | mtj | … i could claim that my furby project has 10 years of active development :/ |
| 19:40 | Guest3140 | if that's too hard to do, then in the Series field. |
| 19:40 | mtj | as does harley |
| 19:42 | Guest3140 | I guess that'd be 440a |
| 19:43 | oleonard | Guest3140: Have you looked through the SQL library on the wiki? |
| 19:44 | nengard | Guest3140 i think i wrote a report like that that's on the wiki |
| 19:44 | Guest3140 | yes, I'm looking at "Bibs with specific keyword in subjects" |
| 19:44 | I just changed the 650 to 440 | |
| 19:44 | nengard | that only works if you have a recent version of MySQL |
| 19:44 | Guest3140 | And entered my keyword (which is actually a phrase) |
| 19:45 | Do I need to edit this first line at all? | |
| 19:45 | SELECT CONCAT('<a href=\"/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl?biblionumber=',biblionumber,'\">',biblionumber,'</a>') | |
| 19:45 | mtj | oleonard: i edited that ohloh statement on the wiki, and was told off for it by snail |
| 19:45 | oleonard | Yeah, I'd like to hear from snail |
| 19:46 | * jcamins | heads out for a meeting |
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| 19:46 | mtj | our problem is, we are too nice and fair and are often taken advantage of by others *less* nice and fair than us |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 19:47 | mtj | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/inde[…]1&oldid=412502815 |
| 19:47 | tho… some of us are a little less nice and fair, these days… to our advantage | |
| 19:48 | Guest3140 | I must be doing something heinously wrong. |
| 19:49 | wizzyrea | reports? |
| 19:49 | sec | |
| 19:49 | snail | sorry, been afk |
| 19:49 | Guest3140 | I'm never sure which parts of an SQL report (from the wiki) are expected to be edited and which lines I can just paste in as-is. |
| 19:49 | wizzyrea | paste.koha-community.org paste in what ya got |
| 19:50 | Guest3140 | line by line... |
| 19:50 | SELECT CONCAT('<a href=\"/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl?biblionumber=',biblionumber,'\">',biblionumber,'</a>') | |
| 19:50 | AS bibnumber, lcsh | |
| 19:50 | FROM | |
| 19:50 | (SELECT biblionumber, ExtractValue(marcxml,'//datafield[@tag="440"]/subfield[@code>="a"]') | |
| 19:51 | AS lcsh FROM biblioitems) | |
| 19:51 | snail | oleonard: given that PTFS and the broader koha community are at loggerheads, all statements like this need independent references, and unfortunately ohloh is independent |
| 19:51 | Guest3140 | AS subjects |
| 19:51 | WHERE lcsh | |
| 19:51 | LIKE "NCAR cooperative thesis" | |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | Guest3140: I meant, please use the paste function available at http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 19:51 | Guest3140 | (that's it) |
| 19:51 | oh... | |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | easier to parse, won't disappear from our screens :) |
| 19:52 | win all round. | |
| 19:52 | oleonard | snail: But the data ohloh provides contradicts their characterization of "Koha-PTFS" as active |
| 19:52 | That is not a matter of opinion | |
| 19:52 | Guest3140 | standby... |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | the concat bit only makes the bibnumber clickable |
| 19:53 | you could simply say "SELECT biblionumber" and avoid that if you wanted to | |
| 19:53 | pastebot0 | "Guest3140" at 128.117.174.160 pasted "SQL report (keyword in 440 line)" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/157 |
| 19:53 | snail | olenard: data, by it's nature requires interpretation, and we're trying to keep interpretation off the page |
| 19:53 | wizzyrea | aha ty |
| 19:53 | Guest3140 | there we go |
| 19:54 | oleonard | snail: Am I "interpreting" the fact that the last commit to "Koha-PTFS" was almost a year ago? |
| 19:54 | snail | oleonard: this is git, there could be hourly commits that they haven't pushed to github yet |
| 19:55 | oleonard | So now it's based on what we imagine might be true? |
| 19:55 | wizzyrea | Guest3140: try putting %'s around your keyword |
| 19:55 | Guest3140 | ah, okay |
| 19:55 | oleonard | snail: How do you counter mtj's example of a project forked from Koha today? |
| 19:55 | snail | oleonard: no, but we're avoiding statements about things we have no knowledge of |
| 19:56 | reading scrollback | |
| 19:56 | oleonard | snail: I have knowledge of when the last commit was to "Koha-PTFS" based on the data ohloh provides |
| 19:56 | Guest3140 | okay, I'm getting closer. Lemme play around a bit. |
| 19:56 | (Thanks!) | |
| 19:56 | oleonard | If that data contradicts their statement that "Koha-PTFS" is active, how can we consider it a valid citation? |
| 19:57 | wizzyrea | erm dumb wikipedia question, but perhaps it's better to just omit the existence of harley, since it's only based on koha |
| 19:57 | mtj | and why is my 'furby' fork not mentioned on the koha wiki page?!? |
| 19:57 | wizzyrea | let em have their own page |
| 19:57 | nengard | furby fork? |
| 19:57 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 19:57 | nengard | that's why i get for not paying attention all the time |
| 19:58 | hehe | |
| 19:58 | snail | wizzyrea: we don't get to write the wikipedia page for koha |
| 19:58 | wizzyrea | mtj has a hypothetical fork of koha called furby |
| 19:58 | snail: fair enough | |
| 19:58 | oleonard | Only you do snail? |
| 19:58 | nengard is now known as nengard_afk | |
| 19:58 | mtj | yes, furby is KohaAloha's development fork of KOHA |
| 19:59 | snail | oleonard: not just me, but i have a couple of thousand edits across a dozen wikimedia projects and i'm trying to keep both pages balanced and fair |
| 19:59 | oleonard: you're welcome to use the wikipedia internal processes to dispute what i say. | |
| 20:00 | mtj | hwo come PTFS get to have there fork mentioned on the Koha wiki page, and not KohaAloha's ? |
| 20:00 | s/there/their/ | |
| 20:00 | oleonard | Fair and balanced doesn't mean presenting both sides of an argument as equally factual. |
| 20:00 | ...when one side isn't. | |
| 20:00 | mtj | but seriously, i'm just joking here, but making a point.... |
| 20:01 | oleonard | A point which hasn't been countered. |
| 20:01 | * wizzyrea | is not familiar enough with the wikipedia internal processes to even begin to mount a campaign |
| 20:01 | wizzyrea | either way, probably better to just try to keep the thing neutral? |
| 20:01 | snail | mtj: find me the source for such a page to meet the wikipedia notability criteria and I'll happily write one |
| 20:02 | wizzyrea | so I think what I'm hearing here |
| 20:02 | oleonard | mtj: I think you're going to have to go ahead with your fork |
| 20:02 | wizzyrea | is that ptfs should make their own page for harley |
| 20:03 | mtj | snail: roger that, i'll keep it in mind as a 'pet' project.... |
| 20:03 | snail | wizzyrea: a campaign isn't necessary, a single on-site complaint is all it takes and the non-edit-warring rules require I step away from the whole issue |
| 20:04 | wizzyrea: you've seen https://secure.wikimedia.org/w[…]a/en/wiki/Liblime ? | |
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| 20:05 | wizzyrea | yep I've seen that one |
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| 20:06 | snail | wizzyrea: the point is not that the koha-community write a page about there software and the PTFS people write a page about there's. the point is that we have useful, informative content about the software and it's history and that anything controversial is closely referenced |
| 20:06 | oleonard | ...accuracy be damned. |
| 20:07 | snail | oleonard: yes |
| 20:08 | wizzyrea | but it also can't be written by an interested party. |
| 20:08 | oleonard | I'm afraid you've lost me snail. We're obviously in different worlds. |
| 20:08 | snail | if anyone wants other points made in these articles, send me the references. I'm not around here much, by I can PM anyone my email address, or you can leave a message for me on wikipedia or the wellington people have my email address |
| 20:09 | oleonard | snail: You don't sound very open to suggestions based on our conversation here |
| 20:09 | snail | oleonard: wikipedia takes the well-referenced over the accuracy (except when in rick of libel or breach of USA/ca law) |
| 20:10 | rhcl | I'm curious, if you don't mind snail, who are you? Others seem to know. You can be a specific or general as you like. |
| 20:10 | snail | oleonard: I'm not open to suggestions, I'm open to references. |
| 20:10 | wizzyrea | ok, then: we should not use ohloh as a reference |
| 20:10 | rhcl | s/as/a |
| 20:10 | wizzyrea | even for our own references |
| 20:10 | we use our own stats | |
| 20:10 | snail | rhcl: I'm syeatesgmail.com / https://secure.wikimedia.org/w[…]User:Stuartyeates |
| 20:11 | wizzyrea | due to the fact that ohloh data can be interpreted in ways that are not entirely accurate |
| 20:11 | so it shouldn't be a reference. | |
| 20:11 | oleonard | snail: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ter/activity.html |
| 20:11 | compare to: https://github.com/ptfs/Koha-PTFS | |
| 20:12 | mtj | wizzyrea++ thats a reasonable point |
| 20:13 | lets find some better statistics to manipulate to our advantage, that ohloh | |
| 20:13 | s/that/than/ | |
| 20:13 | snail | wizzyrea: all data require interpretation and my not always be entirely accurate, but the ohloh interpretation is independent on either koha or liblime |
| 20:14 | mtj: have the build machine make a commit after every build, that's a good way to inflate the numbers :) | |
| 20:14 | oleonard | snail: Do you not find my links relevant? |
| 20:14 | sekjal | sounds like the references we need are the last commit dates from both Koha and Harley |
| 20:14 | both are citable facts | |
| 20:14 | druthb | sekjal++ |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | last public commit dates |
| 20:14 | sekjal | just put them into the article, and let the reader interpret |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea | i'm quite sure that some version of harley has had more recent commits, but we can't see them :P |
| 20:15 | snail | sekjal: both are citeable, but the meaning of the last commit in a community-driven project has a different meaning to the last commit in a closed propriety project |
| 20:16 | oleonard | snail: That didn't make any sense |
| 20:16 | sekjal | Harley isn't closed source. Ask PTFS |
| 20:16 | they've got a public Git repository | |
| 20:16 | snail | sekjal: I didn't say closed source |
| 20:16 | sekjal | sorry, no you didn't. |
| 20:16 | I interpreted, perhaps poorly. I've got a headcold, still | |
| 20:18 | snail | oleonard: your links are relavent. as relavent as the other self-references that I purged from the wikipedia article earlier in it's history. |
| 20:18 | oleonard | snail: That's absurd |
| 20:18 | sekjal | anyway, the fork of Koha that is publicly known as Harley has a git repository (just like Koha), and both repositories have dates on the most recent commit you'd get when pulling that code |
| 20:18 | apples to apples | |
| 20:18 | mtj | ok, so we can pad more stats around the ohloh block, to show ptfs-masters inactivity, etc |
| 20:19 | oleonard | snail: You would rather cite ohloh's "analysis" over actual data from the two projects' git repositories? |
| 20:19 | * druthb | remembers why she gave up being a wikipedian, a long, long time ago, and only edited things that were about concrete objects (roads) back then. Her mind isn't twisty enough for the high-level approach. |
| 20:19 | snail | oleonard: yes. see my earlier discussion of independence and the wikipedia definition of notability, which is entirely built around third party coverage |
| 20:19 | mtj | 'but the PTFS fork has [d]ecreasing year-over-year development activity' |
| 20:20 | snail | mtj: you're welcome to manipulate independent third parties as much as you want, but you'll achieve more in the medium / long term by making koha better |
| 20:21 | mtj | the ptfs fork has prolly 0.1% of the commits of the Koha repo, in the last year, etc |
| 20:21 | snail | mtj: don't they suck all the commits in? |
| 20:21 | * snail | goes to have a look |
| 20:21 | mtj | um, thanks for that advice |
| 20:22 | no, they dont | |
| 20:22 | oleonard | snail: That's our point. They don't do anything with Harley. It hasn't moved as far as publicly available versions are concerned |
| 20:22 | snail: Does your impartiality prevent you from looking at that github link I pasted? | |
| 20:23 | chris_n | btw, snail, several of us "manage" the koha ohloh page... you might want to put that into your mix of "independence" and "objectivity" of ohloh and puff on it for a few moments |
| 20:23 | I'm sure it s the same for the koha-PTFS page as well | |
| 20:23 | oleonard | snail: Why aren't you purging garbage from the LibLime entry? "By early 2011, there were over 800 libraries supported on Koha by LibLime—thus justifying the original mission of the company.[citation needed] Since that time, LibLime has contributed and continues to contribute much to the development of Koha.[citation needed]" |
| 20:23 | snail | chris_n: you can manage the analysis box? bugger |
| 20:24 | oleonard | Since early 2011 Liblime has contributed to the development of koha? |
| 20:24 | chris_n | actually the analysis box is based on commits to our git repo |
| 20:24 | which you claim is not objective either | |
| 20:24 | oleonard | I make our git repo non-objective by changing the stats constantly (by committing) |
| 20:24 | chris_n | your reasoning is a bit like a tight-loop from my pov |
| 20:26 | snail | chris_n: nothing is objective, but it meets the wikipedia independence criteria |
| 20:26 | chris_n | ahh.. what a "safe" answer |
| 20:27 | oleonard | An independent but inaccurate source is better than hard data |
| 20:27 | chris_n | seems rather a bit of something to hide behind |
| 20:27 | the real issue is your subjective interpretation of the "independent" analysis box imho | |
| 20:28 | not the actual content of the box itself | |
| 20:28 | and for that you are squarely responsible, not the "wikipedia independence criteria" | |
| 20:29 | snail | I'm seeing some resistance to what I'm trying to do here, so I'll give people the option. take a look at the two urls: |
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| 20:29 | snail | https://secure.wikimedia.org/w[…]ha_%28software%29 |
| 20:29 | https://secure.wikimedia.org/w[…]9&oldid=411342179 | |
| 20:30 | that's the current wikipedia page and the old one before I started | |
| 20:30 | mtj | so currently the Current-status/ohloh block on the wiki suxxx, but we can find better current-status stats, to show the difference in activity between the Koha and harley codebases |
| 20:30 | snail | if anyone things the old one is a better encyclopedia entry for koha, I'll stop right now |
| 20:30 | s/things/thinks/ | |
| 20:31 | mtj | i personally appreciate your effort, its a shitty task to do |
| 20:32 | oleonard | snail: I think your edits to the "current status" section are misleading and inaccurate |
| 20:32 | chris_n | and I agree with oleonard on that point |
| 20:32 | snail | mtj: thanks |
| 20:33 | mtj | … and both the koha and liblime wiki pages are involved in a very real fud-war |
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| 20:33 | mtj | i want the 'current status' section changed, too |
| 20:34 | sekjal | I find the second URL, with the greater amount of detail, to be far more useful. More difficult to maintain, of course, but the Current Status section is no good as showcased |
| 20:34 | * chris_n | shift out the next element in his @todo now |
| 20:35 | snail | mtj: yes, the current status section is not very good. |
| 20:36 | Guest3140 | sorry to interrupt...but could someone take a look at http://paste.koha-community.org/157 |
| 20:36 | and tell me how to also include authors in my results? | |
| 20:36 | snail | the koha ohloh page has 'Decreasing year-over-year development activity' too. is that new? |
| 20:36 | mtj | yep, not good for the Koha project, and thats why we are all here… right now.. chatting… :) |
| 20:37 | oleonard | snail: ohloh is such a reliable reference, it must be true |
| 20:37 | mtj | pass, could be, sounds very unlikely |
| 20:37 | wizzyrea | well, 2008-2010 were a confusing time |
| 20:37 | lots of things we thought we were going to get, we didnn't | |
| 20:37 | Guest3140 | At the moment, it's spitting out just two columns...bibnumber and the contents of the 440 field |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | right, |
| 20:38 | Guest3140: | |
| 20:38 | snail | oleonard: did I call it reliable? if so, my bad, I meant independent |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | 1s sorry lol |
| 20:38 | mtj | ok, so lets have a go at a better 'current-status' block, for the Koha wiki page... |
| 20:38 | oleonard | snail: At the very least you consider it "worth citing" |
| 20:39 | snail: And anyway, the accuracy isn't important is it. Just the fact that it says so is enough. | |
| 20:39 | mtj | why not cite stats pulled from both Koha and PTFS-master repos? |
| 20:40 | oleonard | mtj: Because they're not "independent." They are merely factual. |
| 20:40 | mtj | lol, nice |
| 20:40 | snail | mtj: because that clearly favours the open software model than the closed model |
| 20:41 | oleonard | snail: How is that relevant? |
| 20:41 | snail | oleonard: because I'm trying to be impartial |
| 20:41 | oleonard | I don't see how that follows |
| 20:41 | Guest3140 | I figure I need to get the term biblio.author in there somewhere, but I'm not sure where to stick it. |
| 20:41 | mtj | snail: now that i dont understand ? |
| 20:42 | snail | how about ppl give me 48 hours to rewrite the current status section |
| 20:42 | mtj | ohloh pulls its stats from both code repos, too |
| 20:42 | chris_n | snail: that sounds like a plan |
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| 20:44 | wizzyrea | Guest3140: almost there just a sec |
| 20:44 | mtj | snail: why do you assume the PTFS-master/harley codebase is 'the closed model' ? |
| 20:44 | they've got a public GPLed repo | |
| 20:45 | pastebot0 | "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "for Guest3140" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/158 |
| 20:45 | wizzyrea | try that (with your keyword, of course) |
| 20:45 | Guest3140 | thx |
| 20:45 | snail | mtj: it seems to be the closed software development model, but they do released open source licensed software |
| 20:45 | mtj | snail: it *is* comparing apples to apples here |
| 20:46 | wizzyrea | technically they've released once |
| 20:46 | snail | mtj: how about we suspend this for 48 hours? |
| 20:46 | mtj | lol "it seems" |
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| 20:47 | mtj | snail: yep, sounds good |
| 20:47 | Guest3140 | didn't work |
| 20:48 | no results | |
| 20:49 | mtj | snail: to me, it seems to be the open software development model, but they do released open source licensed software… very infrequently |
| 20:49 | rhcl | In 48 hours it'll be beer Friday in NZ |
| 20:50 | mtj | i base that assumption on their publicly viewable code repository |
| 20:50 | rhcl | I really wanna watch that discussion |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | Guest3140: it'll be something like that |
| 20:50 | though | |
| 20:50 | Guest3140 | okay, i'll play around |
| 20:50 | sekjal | do we have a definition for "open software model" and "closed software model"? |
| 20:51 | oleonard | mtj: I don't think they deserve deference based on a *perceived* development model when they profess to be open. |
| 20:51 | rangi | i personally think they are both pants |
| 20:51 | oleonard | Let them be judged by what they say they are |
| 20:51 | rangi | and that we should stick with free software development |
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| 20:53 | rangi | and also i appreciate snails efforts in try to move both the koha page and the liblime page to a move neutral footing, and i especially appreciate the fact the the conflict of interest was pointed out in the liblime edits, and their rewrite of history (in which there was no fork/controversy) fixed |
| 20:53 | mtj | snail++ for that! |
| 20:54 | rangi | so lets give him a crack at rewriting the current status section, and see how we go |
| 20:54 | eek people | |
| 20:54 | * rangi | will bbl |
| 20:54 | rhcl | just when I was beginning to think snail was an enemy combatant people start plussing him up! |
| 20:55 | * oleonard | pictures rangi standing on a table screaming "Eek, people!" |
| 20:55 | mtj | yeah, despite the little quibbles re: the wiki pages, snail has helped a great deal |
| 20:55 | rhcl | I can imagine rms doing that. |
| 20:57 | mtj | snails managed to stop the gonzo edits on the liblime page too |
| 20:59 | well, that was an interesting little collective brainstorm, folks... :) | |
| 20:59 | * oleonard | still objects to "Since [early 2011], LibLime has contributed and continues to contribute much to the development of Koha" |
| 21:00 | sekjal | oleonard: I object to that as well, as it's counter to the facts |
| 21:00 | mtj | yeah [citation needed] |
| 21:00 | sekjal | where I'm interpreting my facts off the Koha git commit logs |
| 21:01 | oleonard | But if we find a citation for that, then it'll be all good no matter what the facts ;) |
| 21:01 | sekjal | for other definitions of "contribution", "development" and "Koha", my objection may not stand |
| 21:03 | * oleonard | punches out |
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| 21:03 | mtj | still sucks that josh was lame enough to create a LL vanity page in the 1st place |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | sekjal: question re: SIP, (and I'm sorry if I've asked this before) have you ever gotten a SIP client to work with age? |
| 21:03 | I'm thinking specifically of envisionware | |
| 21:04 | sekjal | wizzyrea: you mean like a fine wine? |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea | in my experience EW does not so much get better with age :P |
| 21:04 | I meant, I can see that koha is sending the birthdate | |
| 21:04 | sekjal | sorry, still feeling kinda fuzzy of head. it comes out as constant stabs at wit |
| 21:05 | wizzyrea | (sok chum, I understand) |
| 21:05 | but EW is clearly having trouble understanding wtf to do with it | |
| 21:05 | so I'm wondering if it's in the wrong place? or... | |
| 21:05 | what are they going to tell me to blame it on my ILS | |
| 21:06 | space_librarian | Rangi: how was your flight? All sorted for the conference? |
| 21:06 | sekjal | I'll look at the spec, and see if it calls for birthdate, age, or something more complicated |
| 21:07 | wizzyrea | sekjal++ I've got 3 libraries breathing down my neck on that one, and EW is NOT cooperating |
| 21:07 | (this is not the first time EW has not cooperated, I should add) | |
| 21:08 | * wizzyrea | is so spoiled by the spirit of cooperation we have here. |
| 21:08 | mtj | … and empathy |
| 21:08 | * space_librarian | passes around the beer. |
| 21:09 | ibeardslee | yay |
| 21:10 | sekjal | wizzyrea: initial info that I'm seeing is that birthdate is what's transmitted, rather than age in years |
| 21:11 | wizzyrea | right, that's what I was seeing |
| 21:11 | it appears that at least EW is expecting age | |
| 21:11 | sekjal | so, in that case, it would be up to the SIP client to do the math |
| 21:11 | wizzyrea | that's what I was both hoping and not hoping you would say ) |
| 21:11 | :) | |
| 21:11 | then I can pin it on EW | |
| 21:12 | rhcl | wizzyrea: our SIP for userful works w/ age |
| 21:13 | wizzyrea | it must compute it from the birthdate, can you confirm that? |
| 21:13 | rhcl | or probably birthdate, which it converts to age |
| 21:14 | wizzyrea | is there any logging on your userful? |
| 21:14 | as to what is being received? | |
| 21:14 | rhcl | ? |
| 21:14 | wizzyrea | does it log the contents of the sip connections |
| 21:14 | (EW does) | |
| 21:14 | rhcl | If you are 16 yo or younger, Userful permits you to login, but cuts off the Internet. |
| 21:15 | Those "juvenile" users can use all the apps, like OOO, but can't get out to the world. | |
| 21:15 | wizzyrea | that's a pretty slick setup |
| 21:16 | rhcl | No, I don't think Userful logs connections anywhere that I have access to, but Koha does |
| 21:16 | wizzyrea | k |
| 21:16 | rhcl | That age thing was configured for us by Userful. |
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| 21:18 | * magnus_tired | wishes #koha a peaceful night |
| 21:18 | rhcl | night |
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| 21:19 | rhcl | I think it helps that Userful runs on Red Hat. At least we have two Linuxes talking to each other, and even better, the two support teams speak the same language. |
| 21:20 | sekjal | Koha will transmit the patron's birthdate over SIP in a Patron Information message |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | hmmmm |
| 21:20 | hm hm hm | |
| 21:20 | nengard | any tips on adding a sign off message to more than one patch? i applied two patches (part 1 and part 2) they work together and I did a git commit --amend but it only asked me to amend the second patch |
| 21:21 | pastebot0 | "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "envisionware's field definitions" (36 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/159 |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | now, telling EW to look at age |
| 21:21 | didn't work | |
| 21:22 | i.e. adding the age field to the koha config | |
| 21:22 | I could not get it to eval age properly | |
| 21:22 | to the ew koha config | |
| 21:22 | but I wonder if it's sending in one of those other fields? | |
| 21:22 | * wizzyrea | gives up for now and goes to reinstall her ew server |
| 21:22 | mutters | |
| 21:23 | gmcharlt | ew server? |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | envisionware |
| 21:23 | gmcharlt | ah |
| 21:23 | of course, you just shot down the pun I was about to make | |
| 21:23 | * wizzyrea | hates it... hates it precious |
| 21:23 | gmcharlt | :) |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 21:24 | go ahead and make it | |
| 21:24 | * wizzyrea | loves puns and will laugh anyway |
| 21:24 | rhcl | You really truly outta look at Libki. |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | I will be happy to once it stops using cake |
| 21:24 | rhcl | I think he did, si? |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | rather, once the new version is properly done |
| 21:25 | i haven't noticed any new verisons | |
| 21:25 | versions* | |
| 21:25 | * wizzyrea | will look again |
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| 21:44 | rangi | space_librarian: flight was bumpy bumpy |
| 21:45 | just finished morning tea, a little interest ... far more interest in coffee and scones tho | |
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| 21:58 | ebegin | Hi #koha! Any hints on how to add a range search on the acqdate ? So far, i can search for an exact date but I would like to search for an acqdate > YYYY-MM-DD |
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| 22:04 | rangi | cant you just type that? |
| 22:04 | For example: 1999-2001. You could also use "-1987" for everything published before 1987 or "2008-" for everything published after 2008. | |
| 22:04 | does that work? | |
| 22:04 | (from the advanced search page in the opac) | |
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| 22:12 | sekjal | can anyone confirm that Zebra has problems with MARC fields (like subjects) that have trailing whitespace? |
| 22:12 | problems as in very high resources consumption | |
| 22:13 | jcamins_away is now known as jcamins | |
| 22:13 | * jcamins | realizes suddenly that he did not change his nick. |
| 22:14 | found that, but he can't confirm it, being the one who reported the problem in the first place. | |
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| 22:21 | eythian | http://librarianinblack.net/li[…]lution-begin.html <-- has this come up here? It sounds pretty terrible. |
| 22:22 | wizzyrea | oh man been following that for days now |
| 22:22 | it's crazy | |
| 22:23 | eythian | it really is |
| 22:25 | * wizzyrea | mutters about expiration of bits... simply ludicrous |
| 22:26 | wizzyrea | i'll expire your bits! |
| 22:26 | eythian | "making water not wet" etc. |
| 22:27 | * jcamins | watches his VM go ker-thunk. |
| 22:28 | jcamins | Huh. Apparently EXPLAIN has to *run* subqueries. |
| 22:29 | druthb | poor jcamins. you and that VM just do not have a good relationship, do you? |
| 22:29 | jcamins | druthb: actually, we have a *fine* relationship. |
| 22:29 | It's just that the relationship is adversarial. ;) | |
| 22:29 | druthb | hehehe |
| 22:30 | jcamins | 205 seconds, and the EXPLAIN still hasn't returned. |
| 22:32 | eythian | jcamins: maybe you need some indicies :) |
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| 22:33 | jcamins | eythian: I'm testing a query with ExtractValue(). |
| 22:33 | eythian | ah right |
| 22:34 | jcamins | Stress testing my new RAM, dontchakno? ;) |
| 22:35 | eythian | heh, fun times :) |
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| 23:07 | ebegin | rangi, sorry, i went away. That works for publishing date, but I want the acquisition date (from the items) |
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| 23:10 | sekjal | time for rest. see you soon, #koha |
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