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| 00:31 | rangi | thd++ |
| 00:32 | charles++ | |
| 00:32 | thd | charles++ |
| 00:32 | rangi | so_called_viral_licenses_that_freedom_haters_hate++ |
| 00:34 | thd | rangi: I am recommending that he use GPL 2+ for now so that we can add his code sooner but I am writing to inform him about the range of GPL compatible licenses. an ex |
| 00:35 | rangi | i love all the gpls |
| 00:35 | well 1, not so much, but all the rest :) | |
| 00:35 | thd | rangi: Any compatible license will do. |
| 00:35 | rangi | in a pinch .. yes |
| 00:36 | thd | rangi: If the license is compatible then modifications have the license of the modification. |
| 00:36 | rangi | true :) |
| 00:37 | thd | rangi: He had never thought about licenses previously, therefore, he did not know how to answer. |
| 00:37 | ... when you asked him. | |
| 00:39 | rangi | ahhh, that makes more sense :) |
| 00:39 | thd | rangi: He understood somewhat how licenses were applied but was a little hesitant without knowing how simple it is to apply a license to code. |
| 00:39 | rangi | im glad he talked to you, not the people on the code4lib fudding about gpl ;) |
| 00:40 | thd | rangi: What license are people advocating on code4lib instead of GPL. |
| 00:40 | ? | |
| 00:40 | rangi | MIT |
| 00:41 | Personally, I much prefer "non-viral" type open source licenses like Apache or MIT for this reason. | |
| 00:41 | ie, let your code be borged into osx licenses :) | |
| 00:42 | thd | rangi: That 'viral' word is scary to many people. |
| 00:42 | People imagine the license escaping from a bottle and devouring them :) | |
| 00:43 | 'viral' is pejorative and false. | |
| 00:43 | rangi | yeah |
| 00:43 | hence my ++ above :) | |
| 00:44 | * mtj | waves |
| 00:44 | mtj | interesting topic guys |
| 00:44 | thd | 'Copyleft' is more difficult to recognise instantly because it takes a while to understand the meaning. |
| 00:45 | People already know the meaning of 'viral'. | |
| 00:45 | s/recognise/appreciate/ | |
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| 00:51 | rangi | hello pa |
| 00:54 | thd | rangi: Charles Ledvina told me that he stopped doing substantive work on his Chopac ILS because he could not keep up with the rate of development of Koha and other library systems. |
| 00:54 | rangi | ahhh, he should join us ;) |
| 00:54 | hes a man with ideas | |
| 00:55 | we like those (and women too of course) | |
| 00:55 | nengard | hi all |
| 00:55 | thd | rangi: There are a few libraries using Chopac and he makes some occasional improvements for them. |
| 00:55 | rangi | cool |
| 00:56 | thd | rangi: I spoke to him about git being accessible on many platforms. |
| 00:56 | rangi: He is using a very cheap web host which does not allow enough control to install Koha. | |
| 00:57 | rangi | ahhh |
| 00:57 | mtj | pssst: linode ;) |
| 00:57 | rangi | if he wants a koha to play with, im sure we can sort one out for him |
| 00:58 | thd | rangi: Yes, I will include that suggestion in my next message to him. |
| 01:07 | druthb | @later tell cait JULY 19! |
| 01:07 | huginn | druthb: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:07 | sekjal | druthb++ |
| 01:07 | jcamins_away | druthb: kf will probably be on before cait. It's only Thursday. |
| 01:08 | druthb | she logs on from home before work, about midnight our time, some days. |
| 01:08 | jcamins_away | Ah. |
| 01:08 | Never noticed that. | |
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| 01:08 | jcamins_away | I have the good sense to be asleep at that time. |
| 01:09 | rangi | its the best part of the day |
| 01:10 | eythian | yeah, I find when I'm asleep to also be the best part of the day. |
| 01:12 | rangi | midnight us time, thats about 6pm here :) |
| 01:15 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-qgum7hFXk | |
| 01:15 | friday flamenco | |
| 01:15 | eythian | friday new wave here, but that doesn't have quite the same ring to it. |
| 01:16 | rangi | :) |
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| 02:38 | brendan___ | @wunder 93109 |
| 02:38 | huginn | brendan___: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 12.2�C (6:43 PM PST on February 17, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady). |
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| 06:46 | cait | http://www.tib-hannover.de/en/the-tib/opendata/ |
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| 06:58 | francharb | hello all |
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| 07:31 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:47 | rangi | hi kf |
| 07:48 | kf | hi rangi |
| 07:53 | fredericd | kiritakikoha |
| 07:56 | rangi | http://code.google.com/p/kiritakikoha/ |
| 07:56 | fredericd | look nice! |
| 07:56 | I'm trying to figure out how the search work | |
| 07:57 | (just reading the code, I don't have Android smartphone) | |
| 07:57 | kf | hi fredericd |
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| 07:57 | fredericd | hi kf |
| 08:01 | snail | is kiritakikoha an app that runs on the smartphone, or a HTML web interface customised for smartphone based browsers? |
| 08:01 | rangi | the former |
| 08:01 | to do things like sync with your phones calendar etc | |
| 08:02 | but it involved no code change to koha to do it | |
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| 08:10 | hdl | hi all |
| 08:10 | hi rangi | |
| 08:12 | rangi: will you be there this for the persistence meeting ? Or will I be alone with slef ? | |
| 08:14 | rangi: anything special about your Plack usage for circulation... It has been up and running for quite a long time now... So maybe you have some interesting statements. | |
| 08:24 | kf | oh, when is the meeting? I missed to put in on my calendar |
| 08:25 | hdl | at 11AM |
| 08:31 | kf | ah |
| 08:32 | will try to follow the discussion, but can't probably not add to it | |
| 08:35 | hdl | kf: it may be a very simple and light discussion |
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| 09:08 | braedon | wow, new server |
| 09:08 | when did this happen? | |
| 09:13 | snail left #koha | |
| 09:30 | kf | braedon: the other server was down and we moved, but it is permanent now |
| 09:33 | braedon | ahh |
| 09:34 | i wonder when i was last here | |
| 09:34 | well, there... | |
| 09:34 | wahanui | well, there is no spoon. |
| 09:44 | kf | wahanui: forget well |
| 09:44 | wahanui | kf, I didn't have anything matching well |
| 09:44 | kf | well? |
| 09:44 | well,? | |
| 09:44 | hm. | |
| 09:46 | braedon | ...indeed |
| 09:50 | ColinC joined #koha | |
| 09:58 | hdl | hi ColinC |
| 09:59 | ColinC | hi there |
| 10:00 | hdl | Are you there for the meeting around data persistence ? |
| 10:02 | ColinC | Yes .... |
| 10:03 | hdl | #startmeeting data persistence on koha |
| 10:03 | huginn | Meeting started Fri Feb 18 10:08:46 2011 UTC. The chair is hdl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 10:03 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | |
| 10:03 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: data persistence on koha) | |
| 10:03 | hdl | Hi |
| 10:04 | Let's start the meeting. | |
| 10:05 | Is there any one for the record ? | |
| 10:05 | * hdl | Henri-Damien LAURENT BibLibre |
| 10:06 | * kf | Katrin Fischer, BSZ - following the discussion |
| 10:06 | ColinC | Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe |
| 10:06 | * fredericd | Frédéric Demians, Tamil |
| 10:06 | fredericd | salut Henri-Damien |
| 10:07 | hdl | So 4 ... |
| 10:07 | Ok. | |
| 10:08 | We have been playing with Plack in order to test that and achieve data performance. | |
| 10:08 | http://plackperl.org/ | |
| 10:08 | #link http://plackperl.org/ | |
| 10:09 | We have pushed a branch on koha-community.org where you can have psgi files to launch a plack server | |
| 10:10 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]s/heads/wip/Plack | |
| 10:10 | There is also the http://git.koha-community.org/[…]/data_persistence | |
| 10:11 | data_persistence branch which contains some patches in order to manipulate C4::Context to remove the connections to zebra when they are not used any longer. at least in SimpleSearch | |
| 10:11 | We have been testing thet on some servers with nginx | |
| 10:12 | The results are quite good in terms of performance. | |
| 10:13 | fredericd | do you have figures? |
| 10:14 | hdl | you can launch using : KOHA_CONF=/home/users/koha/sites/univ_lyon3/etc/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/home/koha/src plackup -S Starlet --workers 32 --port 5000 /local/home/users/koha/src/prod.psgi |
| 10:15 | fredericd: well I had... But I donot have them right there. | |
| 10:15 | But you can use the file. | |
| 10:16 | fredericd | If I checkout wip_pack branch from git.koha-communty.org, what do I need to do to get it working? |
| 10:17 | hdl | it needs some tweaking of the apache configuration to have static files served directly and a reverse proxy on 5000 |
| 10:17 | you need to install Plack | |
| 10:17 | cpanm Task::Plack | |
| 10:17 | (you can install cpan minus for that) | |
| 10:18 | Task::Plack comes with 3 servers you can test | |
| 10:18 | plackup, starlet, and an other one. | |
| 10:18 | starman I think | |
| 10:19 | fredericd | installation in progress... |
| 10:19 | hdl | The stuff is working quite well... ... But not ready for production at the moment. |
| 10:19 | Because of some problems : | |
| 10:19 | a) Circular references in code. | |
| 10:19 | b) zebra search | |
| 10:20 | c) lack of caching in the code. | |
| 10:20 | fredericd | You mean that zebra search slow down if connection isn't reset regularly? |
| 10:20 | hdl | yes. |
| 10:21 | This is why I sent a branch datapersistence... which destroy the connection to zebra when things are over. | |
| 10:21 | But the fact is that when you are running with sockets, it leaves zombies on the system... So one has to kill them | |
| 10:22 | With tcp connection, that problem is not so hard. | |
| 10:23 | Since there is a tcp timeout | |
| 10:25 | About Circular refereences in Code, I sent some mails on list. | |
| 10:25 | But had very little feedback | |
| 10:26 | Some from ColinC quite helpful... | |
| 10:27 | But I would like to know if we can setup a plan on order to solve those problems and work out solutions | |
| 10:29 | ColinC | a hitlist of obstacles |
| 10:29 | hdl | About Circular references : I think that if we could at least get the functions which adds some additional dependencies... |
| 10:30 | I gave a list of some of the circular references. | |
| 10:31 | on the lists. | |
| 10:32 | i cannot find the link right now. | |
| 10:33 | But about zebra search, i think that the solution we proposed could be a nice option. | |
| 10:33 | If you could test and provide some feedback | |
| 10:34 | And about the lack of Caching, chris proposed the usage of Memcached | |
| 10:34 | And I think it is quite a good start. | |
| 10:36 | But this would also require to add some local variables to store the information. and not make any calls. | |
| 10:36 | This would be much more efficient. | |
| 10:40 | ColinC | not sure I followed that last part |
| 10:42 | hdl | I have done some work for C4::Languages (which still has some bug... But it was a first start... and provided a good improvements.) and C4::Context |
| 10:42 | http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koh[…]hb=bug/BLO/MT5496 | |
| 10:43 | thd | Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York [lost attention to the time but has read back.] |
| 10:44 | hdl | http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koh[…]hb=bug/BLO/MT5496 |
| 10:46 | ColinC: what are you not following. | |
| 10:46 | Do you think I am wrong ? | |
| 10:47 | ColinC | I'm not sure what point you were trying to make about Memcached |
| 10:49 | hdl | Memcached is not generalized in all the modules. |
| 10:51 | And when you edit the thing, the old stuff sticks in Memchaced. | |
| 10:52 | you have to flush the cache regularly. Or to slush the cache on edits. | |
| 10:52 | flush... Or to edit the structure. | |
| 10:53 | But Memcached is not really adding much performance... unless you use for complex structures. | |
| 10:54 | thd | hdl: What does it mean to "edit the thing" or "edit the structure"? |
| 10:54 | hdl | you cache preferences, when you edit a preference. the cache is not updated |
| 10:55 | (at least with the system as it is now) | |
| 10:56 | You have to wait for 5 or whatever the time in the file for it to be updated correctly... | |
| 10:57 | ColinC | For future ref I think the Cache::Memcached interface has more fine grained api than Memoize::Memcached |
| 10:58 | thd | hdl: Are the deficiencies to which you are referring deficiencies of memcached or deficiencies of the current implementation work for Koha? |
| 10:58 | ColinC | hdl or both |
| 10:59 | hdl | both in fact... |
| 11:01 | The problem is that the edition for Memcached would have to be quite localized and centralized... in order to be easily generalised. | |
| 11:02 | But it would require to have some more fine grain for some other things. | |
| 11:04 | instance : systempreferences donot change often... but biblio change far more often | |
| 11:05 | ColinC | I think there is quite a bit of refactoring to be done to some code to take advantage of any caching structure |
| 11:06 | hdl | Can you provide an exemple of how you see things ? |
| 11:08 | or does anyone has some precise idea ? | |
| 11:08 | ColinC | Because the model has been cgi script based nothing has been trated as possibly living longer than the scripts runtime |
| 11:09 | s/trated/treated/ | |
| 11:14 | thd | ColinC: What improper presumptions have been taken in consequence of that legacy design? |
| 11:16 | hdl | ColinC: But is there any concrete exemple of a nice application design you have in mind ? |
| 11:17 | ColinC | we have operations that intertwine updates and reads to persistent/non-persistent data |
| 11:18 | hdl | Are you thinking of evergreen ? |
| 11:18 | ColinC | I've used memcached in a high-throughput environment it gave many improvements but it was important to concentrate cacheing on what benefitted from it |
| 11:21 | hdl | you mean to use caching only where it was really needed ? |
| 11:21 | ColinC | Yes |
| 11:22 | thd | ColinC: Are you suggesting that the performance improvement would be minimal for data which is used infrequently or changes often and therefore needs careful update management? |
| 11:22 | hdl | thd: i think so |
| 11:23 | But there are many places : branches, categories, issuingrules, systempreferences, languages, message_preferences... | |
| 11:23 | where it can be used. | |
| 11:24 | ColinC | The approach to e.g. the item and patron record in an issue transaction is different to the circ rules governing that transaction is a crude example |
| 11:24 | and what hdl said | |
| 11:26 | thd | ColinC: Why is having multiple data access rules especially problematic? |
| 11:26 | ColinC | Its not |
| 11:27 | hdl | Is there anything else to say now ? |
| 11:28 | thd | ColinC: What did you mean in referring to item and patron record for issuing transactions as different from circ rules? |
| 11:28 | hdl | Are you interested in playing with plack ? |
| 11:28 | Are you interested in testing ? | |
| 11:28 | Are you interested in any of the 3 problems I listed ? | |
| 11:28 | Who ? | |
| 11:29 | ColinC | thd: the life of of the cached data differs |
| 11:29 | thd | hdl: Is there a bug and patch for the Zebra connection issue? |
| 11:33 | hdl | no. |
| 11:33 | not yet in fact. | |
| 11:34 | It is something we discovered with some of our tools... | |
| 11:34 | But neglected to report... | |
| 11:34 | But this state of fact is known with zebra and yaz. | |
| 11:35 | thd | hdl: I see reports on the koha mailing list of people not running Zebra as a daemon. Does that help with the issue or merely create other performance problems? |
| 11:35 | hdl | I think it would not help in fact. |
| 11:36 | It is owed to the z3950 protocol which is connected... And since koha initiate one connection and use that... In a data persistent model... you use always the same. | |
| 11:36 | And .... It ends up being very slow. | |
| 11:37 | ok. if noone has anything else to say... Let's end the meeting. | |
| 11:37 | thd | What causes the slowness for an open connection? |
| 11:37 | hdl | yes... |
| 11:38 | send 1000 queries to a single connection and it will slow down... | |
| 11:38 | and zebra will take some more memory | |
| 11:39 | If anyone has questions about Plack and how to test... | |
| 11:39 | If I can help in any way, if you have any question or if you think of any exemple... please do. | |
| 11:41 | #endmeeting | |
| 11:41 | Topic for #koha is now Next IRC meeting 2 Mar. 2011 18:00 UTC+0 - Koha - http://koha-community.org - this channel is logged, pastes at http://paste.koha-community.org | |
| 11:41 | huginn | Meeting ended Fri Feb 18 11:46:47 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 11:41 | Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]-02-18-10.08.html | |
| 11:41 | Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]1-02-18-10.08.txt | |
| 11:41 | Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]18-10.08.log.html | |
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| 11:43 | thd | good morning nengard |
| 11:44 | nengard | hiya thd |
| 11:44 | or | |
| 11:44 | oh - wait i typed that right | |
| 11:44 | thd | :) |
| 11:44 | nengard | druthb kept me up until 1am so I'm a bit dopey |
| 11:44 | thd | I have been up all night |
| 11:44 | nengard | wow! and :( |
| 11:46 | thd | nengard: Do you have an easily obtained statistic for everyone who ranked more than one option? |
| 11:46 | nengard | yes, I think so - hang on |
| 11:46 | thd | I know that the number is overwhelming in any case. |
| 11:46 | nengard | I only did 1 - so that's 1 :) |
| 11:47 | kf | I did 2 |
| 11:47 | ;) | |
| 11:48 | thd | I took two weeks to decide which I preferred and could not really decide well. |
| 11:48 | nengard | 30 didn't answer any (which is silly) - and 635 only made one choice |
| 11:50 | thd | I think that I may have been counted as not answering any a few times when looking at the ballot despite never pressing submit. |
| 11:52 | kf | hm same here |
| 11:53 | thd | nengard: Do you have an easy breakdown of those who voted only once? |
| 11:53 | * thd | tries again |
| 11:53 | nengard | thd i answered you .... |
| 11:54 | [06:53] <nengard> 30 didn't answer any (which is silly) - and 635 only made one choice | |
| 11:54 | thd | nengard: Do you have an easy list of votes of those who only listed one preference? |
| 11:54 | sorry for asking the question improperly previously. | |
| 11:55 | nengard | oh! |
| 11:55 | hmmmm .. that's not easy ... not in my current state | |
| 11:55 | thd | :) |
| 11:55 | nengard | wait ... maybe it is |
| 11:58 | 31 nepal only - 6 Kolkata only - 16 UK only - the rest of the 635 did Thane only | |
| 11:59 | thd | Thanks nengard |
| 11:59 | nengard | np |
| 12:01 | thd | It might matter to some to know quantitatively that those who considered more than one choice were still overwhelmingly for Thane. |
| 12:02 | * thd | wonders if whole computer science and library science classes were encouraged to vote for Thane but that still seems fine if people are taking a real interest. |
| 12:09 | * jcamins_away | doesn't see any objection to that, if whole CS & LIS classes are going to show up to learn about Koha. |
| 12:11 | thd | jcamins_away: That would be great. There are certainly many people from there asking questions on the mailing list. |
| 12:12 | ... and on this channel | |
| 12:13 | Imagine a legion of people setting up Koha even if merely for a class. A few of them may well take it further than the class. | |
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| 12:23 | nengard | holy cow - bugzilla changed! |
| 12:23 | jwagner joined #koha | |
| 12:24 | jcamins_away | nengard: what? |
| 12:24 | nengard | there isn't a bug there on the 'new' button |
| 12:24 | it's all slick looking | |
| 12:24 | jcamins_away | Uhhh... yes there is? |
| 12:24 | bugs.koha-community.org, right? | |
| 12:24 | nengard | so cool!! it's also searching for dups as i type up my report |
| 12:24 | yes | |
| 12:25 | jcamins_away | Oh, I see. |
| 12:25 | Nifty. | |
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| 12:50 | nengard | druthb I have finished my two installs!! |
| 12:51 | druthb | they working all right, nengard? |
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| 13:07 | NateC | morning drulm! |
| 13:07 | and #koha! | |
| 13:08 | druthb | Good morning, NateC |
| 13:08 | NateC | morning druthb |
| 13:08 | nengard | howdy NateC |
| 13:08 | if I'm all fuzzy today you can blame druthb :) | |
| 13:08 | NateC | Hiya nengard |
| 13:08 | heh will do ;) | |
| 13:09 | druthb | if I'm all fuzzy today you can blame nengard :) |
| 13:09 | * jwagner | has always found it a good practice to blame druthb for everything :-) |
| 13:09 | nengard | druthb broke my koha and built it back up to be even awesomer!!! |
| 13:09 | paul_p | good morning americans |
| 13:10 | nengard | good afternoon paul_p |
| 13:10 | jwagner | Hi paul_p |
| 13:19 | druthb | hi, paul_p. |
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| 13:34 | oleonard | Requiring email confirmation for wiki accounts doesn't seem to have done anything to stop the spam |
| 13:37 | nengard | okay I need some help |
| 13:38 | how do i find the new features introduced in the patch for bug 5725 - i'm trying to test and sign off, but i can't find where to look for the new features | |
| 13:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5725 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Batch modifications for Biblios |
| 13:38 | nengard | i applied both batches and looked in the acq baskets but i don't think that's right |
| 13:40 | kf | nengard: cart perhaps? |
| 13:40 | I think that's how the merge works | |
| 13:40 | nengard | kf you're right!!! |
| 13:41 | and merge works on lists - not the cart | |
| 13:41 | they should both work the same way | |
| 13:41 | * druthb | heads out to catch her bus back to DC. |
| 13:41 | kf | yeah, and cart would be more handy |
| 13:41 | comfortabel? | |
| 13:41 | uh | |
| 13:41 | comfortable | |
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| 13:41 | kf | still looks kinda wrong... |
| 13:42 | oleonard | nengard: Is it working for you? |
| 13:42 | I clicked 'Batch Edit' and got a page with an empty table | |
| 13:42 | nengard | you have to select titles first |
| 13:43 | i did get a table with records in it | |
| 13:43 | but i'm not seeing my changes on the marc recotd | |
| 13:43 | record | |
| 13:43 | gonna try again | |
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| 13:44 | nengard | holy cow that is so cool! |
| 13:44 | it works | |
| 13:44 | I think it needs a bit of the oleonard touch on design, but it works | |
| 13:44 | oleonard | Not working for me: "Can't use string ("batchedit") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at C4/Auth.pm line 1559." |
| 13:44 | nengard | strange |
| 13:44 | mine is a new install if that means anything | |
| 13:45 | did you apply both patches? | |
| 13:45 | oleonard | Yes |
| 13:45 | nengard | hmmm |
| 13:46 | oleonard | Looks like you have to be a superlibrarian |
| 13:48 | nengard | oh! |
| 13:48 | can you update bug 5725 with that info? | |
| 13:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5725 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Batch modifications for Biblios |
| 13:48 | nengard | i have added my notes |
| 13:49 | oleonard | nengard: What did you try to modify? |
| 13:51 | nengard | i added in an 050 subfield a |
| 13:52 | oleonard | nengard: I wonder if my installation didn't get the proper update in order to have a new "batchedit" permission? |
| 13:52 | nengard | i'm logged in a superlibrarian |
| 13:53 | i'll go ahead and try with only the edit permissions | |
| 13:55 | oleonard | Hmmm, no I see the batchedit permission in my database |
| 13:55 | nengard | i don't have that either - but the patch doesn't say it adds a new permission |
| 13:55 | oleonard | ...and it's checked in my permissions setup |
| 13:55 | nengard | oh |
| 13:55 | under what? | |
| 13:56 | oleonard | At first I thought it would be under cataloging, but it's under tools |
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| 13:56 | nengard | under tools i have items_batchmod |
| 13:56 | but not batchedit | |
| 13:57 | oleonard | I ought to trash this database and start over... I'm not good about keeping it "clean" when testing |
| 13:58 | nengard | :) |
| 13:58 | paul_p can you take a look at questions on bug 5725 | |
| 13:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5725 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Batch modifications for Biblios |
| 13:58 | kf | only a thought: but do we need different permissions for items_batchedit and biblio_batchedit? |
| 13:59 | nengard | i think we do |
| 13:59 | but right now we don't have one | |
| 14:00 | i'd argue that if you're allowed to edit the catalog then you should be able to do batch edits ... but others might disagree | |
| 14:01 | * oleonard | does |
| 14:01 | oleonard | A batch edit is potentially much more destructive |
| 14:01 | No reason not to include a separate permission and let the supervisor decide. | |
| 14:05 | nengard: I'll bet the batchedit permission didn't make it into the patch because of the way rangi is putting together the patches | |
| 14:06 | He probably didn't cherry-pick that part (if cherry pick is the right word here) | |
| 14:06 | nengard | so there is a permission in another patch? |
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| 14:08 | oleonard | Yes, I see it in the original Biblibre branch |
| 14:08 | That must be why I have it... messy database. | |
| 14:08 | But that doesn't explain why it didn't work for me even though that permission was there | |
| 14:16 | It seems strange that someone could have batch edit permission and not catalog edit permission | |
| 14:25 | sekjal | I'd agree that if you can edit in batch, you should be able to edit individually |
| 14:29 | kf | so it should be grouped into the cataloging rights? |
| 14:32 | oleonard | How deep can the permissions hierarchy go? Right now we only have two levels |
| 14:32 | Theoretically you'd want "batchedit" to be a sub-permission of "edit_catalogue" (not "editcatalog," the parent category) | |
| 14:34 | kf | oleonard: perhaps even the batch item delete/modify should moved to cataloging? |
| 14:34 | i think they are under tools, because we have no cataloging start page? | |
| 14:34 | paul_p | nengard, seen you msg. Could you drop me a mail pls, i'll forget... |
| 14:34 | nengard | okey dokey |
| 14:35 | oleonard | kf: I think so. I think that grouping reflects where to find the tool in Koha, but really the permissions should reflect roles |
| 14:35 | kf | hm. I think we only have kind of a start page for circ and tools? |
| 14:35 | perhaps we should think about that too - tools gets crowdy | |
| 14:35 | crowded? | |
| 14:35 | oleonard | Crowded. |
| 14:35 | nengard | I don't mind where the batch edit is located - it is a tool - but the permissions should be in the logical spots |
| 14:37 | jcamins | Oof. Finding unused ranges of barcodes is way less trivial than I expected. |
| 14:38 | nengard | that sounds painful |
| 14:39 | jcamins | Is there any way to tell Koha "this is not a fuzzy search term"? |
| 14:40 | kf | not one I know of |
| 14:40 | drulm | Bulk bib editing happening now? Cool if so. Be cool if the the book club thing were added in and thirdly the fines partial payment stuff. :) |
| 14:40 | nengard | ha! that's a lot of different things all at once |
| 14:40 | :) | |
| 14:41 | sekjal | partial payments has been green-lighted |
| 14:41 | wizzyrea | YAY |
| 14:41 | we never got the book club thing to work | |
| 14:42 | oleonard | drulm: We're working on getting Biblibre's batch biblio edit feature polished |
| 14:42 | Is the book club thing a PTFS feature? | |
| 14:42 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 14:43 | (we wanted something like it, though. It'd be a nice feature to have) | |
| 14:43 | pastebot0 | "jcamins" at 208.120.0.116 pasted "How to find contiguous unused barcodes" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/150 |
| 14:43 | jcamins | ^^ in case anyone was curious. |
| 14:43 | wizzyrea | oh lawd |
| 14:43 | you poor thing | |
| 14:43 | jcamins | Ooh, I should put it on the Wiki. |
| 14:43 | oleonard | drulm: No one is working on integrating the book club. Perhaps PTFS could hire a Koha developer to help get it working in Koha. |
| 14:44 | nengard | jcamins i was gonna say that |
| 14:45 | jcamins | Has anyone noticed that I write the weirdest reports? |
| 14:45 | nengard | :) |
| 14:45 | the wierd ones are very useful | |
| 14:45 | jcamins | I am placing it immediately after my "validate Codabar barcodes" report. |
| 14:45 | oleonard | Oh, Bugzilla upgrade. |
| 14:45 | Gotta learn the new advanced search now. | |
| 14:46 | kf | uh |
| 14:46 | jcamins | The wiki page is broken again. |
| 14:46 | Help! | |
| 14:46 | nengard | new advanced search? |
| 14:46 | jcamins | Wait, never mind. |
| 14:46 | I'm not logged in. | |
| 14:46 | oleonard | nengard: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]i?format=advanced |
| 14:46 | kf | the simple search field has an inline style :( |
| 14:46 | if you call it that, a style attribute | |
| 14:46 | that defines the sitze | |
| 14:46 | size | |
| 14:46 | nengard | yikes!! |
| 14:47 | jcamins did druthb keep you up late too? | |
| 14:47 | jcamins | nengard: no, just a migraine. :( |
| 14:48 | nengard | oh yeah - that's worse |
| 14:49 | drulm | Thanks got it. Is the code out there for the book club somewhere? |
| 14:49 | oleonard | drulm: In PTFS's Harley release I suppose? |
| 14:49 | nengard | drulm Bug 4245 |
| 14:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4245 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, NEW, Bestseller's Club and email notifications |
| 14:50 | oleonard | nengard beat me to it |
| 14:50 | drulm | Wacky. Well, it has got to be based on biblionumber and itemnumber so probably pretty easy to jam in there |
| 14:50 | So there is a patch for 3.4, not just Harley, that would be nice. | |
| 14:50 | oleonard | There is no patch for 3.4, just Harley. |
| 14:51 | * jwagner | pops in from meet ing -- did I get flagged on something? |
| 14:51 | drulm | Also rooting for partial fine payment and or no fines until item is returned. |
| 14:51 | oleonard | jwagner: drulm was asking about bug 4245 |
| 14:51 | drulm | oleonard: Ah got it. |
| 14:52 | If I have time I may end up incorporating it (if someone does not beat me to it) - since staff wants it. Yet another project on the pile. | |
| 14:52 | jwagner | Bestsellers' Club? yes, the main thing is a Harley branch |
| 14:52 | I think we've done a couple of tweaks that haven't been submitted yet. | |
| 14:53 | hdl | hi jwagner |
| 14:53 | and all | |
| 14:53 | drulm | We are running SMS/TXT notifications and smart-phone barcodes for patron IDs |
| 14:53 | paul_p | nengard, thx for the mail ;-) |
| 14:53 | nengard | :) |
| 14:53 | oleonard | jwagner: I'm not aware of any updates to Harley which have been made public |
| 14:53 | jwagner | hi hdl |
| 14:54 | oleonard, we haven't put that fix out yet -- still testing it. | |
| 14:54 | jcamins | Does Koha time out reports? |
| 14:54 | wizzyrea | apache sometimes times out reports |
| 14:54 | jcamins | Drat. |
| 14:55 | * wizzyrea | often wishes for background report processing |
| 14:55 | * jcamins | , too |
| 14:55 | wizzyrea | there's a mechanism for background processing on the offline circ upload |
| 14:56 | (I could also be full of poo on that) | |
| 14:56 | sekjal | there is a background processing module in Koha |
| 14:56 | it's just not applied to everything yet | |
| 14:56 | wizzyrea | ooo |
| 14:56 | reports next! | |
| 14:56 | :) | |
| 14:56 | sekjal | we've talked about allowing the library to specify a read-only mirror database for running reports against |
| 14:57 | that DB could then be optimized for reading (tons of indexes) | |
| 14:57 | hdl | wizzyrea: there is a cronjob for reports. |
| 14:57 | that could be used. | |
| 14:59 | I would not put my word on background jobbing all the scripts... Since it is a real pain to debug onwards. | |
| 14:59 | (all the lengthy scripts in fact... such as reports, overdues and so on...) | |
| 15:00 | jcamins | hdl: there would have to be a button you could click that said "please run this report in the background." |
| 15:00 | And also a button that said "please run this report in the foreground." | |
| 15:00 | wizzyrea | oh oh |
| 15:00 | or | |
| 15:01 | hdl | jcamins: as things are coded now... one can dream of it or recode the whole stuff. |
| 15:01 | wizzyrea | if a report foregrounds for x seconds, to avoid timeout it should ask if you would like it to be backgrounded |
| 15:01 | jcamins | hdl: yes, I know. |
| 15:01 | * wizzyrea | dreams big dreams |
| 15:01 | hdl | So do I ... node.js |
| 15:02 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 15:02 | jcamins | "Oh what a dream, a wonderful dream. And all that I need is eighty-eight bucks." |
| 15:02 | hdl | Could be done with enough ajax... |
| 15:02 | maybe. | |
| 15:03 | wizzyrea | ok here's something I've wondered about |
| 15:03 | if you try to run a huge report | |
| 15:03 | and apache times out, what happens to the mysql query? It completes and dumps the data? | |
| 15:03 | keeps going? | |
| 15:04 | hdl | show me a man unfilled with foolish dreams... and i will show you a happy man.... Tenisson |
| 15:04 | But only with dreams a man can be truly free it was alwas thus and always thus will be.. | |
| 15:04 | jcamins | wizzyrea: oh, yeah, that's fun. |
| 15:04 | As far as I can tell, it just keeps grinding on. | |
| 15:04 | hdl | it keeps going |
| 15:04 | wizzyrea | ok thanks, that's what I thought happened |
| 15:05 | jcamins | And to make it worse, lots of times what it's doing is transferring the data. The client has to receive *all* the data before any is sent to Apache. |
| 15:05 | wizzyrea | right it can't stream partial results |
| 15:07 | * jcamins | sometimes misses doing all his DB interfacing in C. |
| 15:10 | wizzyrea | owen: regarding the calendar: doo eet. |
| 15:10 | jcamins | Argh! |
| 15:10 | My query doesn't work with Codabar barcodes. | |
| 15:12 | drulm | prob no time submit the SMS/TXT stuff either. A email gateway is needed for the SMS. |
| 15:13 | wizzyrea | ? I"m not sure what you mean drulm? |
| 15:14 | drulm | Oh we are running SMS messages on cell phones to alert patrons who opt in on an Opac form. Then they get hold, overdue, pre-overdue on their phones. |
| 15:14 | wizzyrea | ok, are you saying you don't have time to submit it? |
| 15:14 | drulm | Also have an option for patrons to have their card barcode on their cell phone (in the opac). |
| 15:15 | wizzyrea: Oh heck no. I don't have time to breathe there are so many routine things to do here :) | |
| 15:15 | wizzyrea | (no better time than the present) |
| 15:15 | is the code at least public? | |
| 15:15 | drulm | It may all be moot soon enough. |
| 15:15 | wizzyrea | never moot. |
| 15:16 | drulm | Nope, not public. I have time to submit rarely. It's OK, it is the way of things. |
| 15:16 | jcamins | drulm: you can set up a GitHub account easily. |
| 15:16 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 15:16 | jcamins | Or Gitorious. |
| 15:16 | rangi prefers Gitorious. | |
| 15:16 | wizzyrea | i imagine if you asked for help here you'd probably get it |
| 15:16 | drulm | True. Good point. Well, perhaps I will do that once we upgrade to 3.4 |
| 15:17 | wizzyrea | lots of people want working sms |
| 15:17 | drulm | OK, gotta go, thanks! |
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| 15:20 | kf | all our installations on 3.2.x now! |
| 15:20 | yay! | |
| 15:20 | wizzyrea | yay! |
| 15:20 | * wizzyrea | throws the confetti and commences the party |
| 15:21 | kf | updated our biggst one today with icu and self check |
| 15:22 | sekjal | kf: huzzah! |
| 15:22 | kf | hehe thx |
| 15:23 | we were a bit worried about the self check, but so far everything fine | |
| 15:23 | sekjal: they have hebrew and I never got complains about it not working | |
| 15:23 | sekjal: not sure if we changed something to make it work, but it does | |
| 15:24 | sekjal | kf: I'm learning that disabling error-detection in the SIPconfig.xml fixes the problem pretty well |
| 15:24 | Koha needs a new SIP checksum algorithm | |
| 15:27 | * sekjal | just got Rickrolled on Last.fm |
| 15:28 | wizzyrea | teehee |
| 15:28 | oleonard | It's not a Rickrolling if science determined you should hear it ;) |
| 15:28 | wizzyrea | i.e. science just rickrolled you |
| 15:28 | sekjal | I just don't see the connection on Florence and the Machine radio... |
| 15:29 | wizzyrea | some nerd from MIT just rickrolled you |
| 15:30 | gmcharlt | people still get rickrolled? that's so 2009! ;) |
| 15:30 | * wizzyrea | notes for the record that nerds from MIT are awesome |
| 15:30 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 15:31 | sekjal | and now it's Ashley Simpson... something is wrong here |
| 15:31 | wizzyrea | it's science gone mad! |
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| 15:31 | oleonard | Your preferences have been contaminated! The only choice is to nuke it from orbit! |
| 15:32 | Brooke_ | aloha |
| 15:32 | sekjal | done |
| 15:32 | this is why I prefer Pandora (that, and less buggy Flash) | |
| 15:40 | jcamins | Slip printing. Which browser is it that it works best in? |
| 15:41 | Did Bugzilla just go down? | |
| 15:41 | Brooke_ | any given proper configuration I thought |
| 15:41 | tcohen | hdl: do u remember when writing AuthoritiesMarc::DelAuthority? |
| 15:41 | * Brooke_ | was an olde fashioned stamper though. |
| 15:43 | jcamins | Brooke_: I recall there being some issue with certain browsers not cooperating with the lousy print drivers that come with receipt printers. |
| 15:43 | tcohen | i was wondering if we'd have some checks there |
| 15:49 | hdl | tcohen: remember what ? |
| 15:49 | wizzyrea | slips work pretty well in firefox |
| 15:50 | * wizzyrea | admits not trying it yet with chrome |
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| 15:50 | wizzyrea | oh that's not a good sign |
| 15:51 | bugzilla and hudson are on the same server I think | |
| 15:51 | jcamins | Well, at least I'm not crazy. |
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| 15:51 | jcamins | Nicole is not, though. |
| 15:51 | :) | |
| 15:52 | oleonard | Too many people have met nengard for her to be a bot |
| 15:53 | Brooke_ | but how are you telling the people apart from bots? |
| 15:53 | jcamins | Brooke_: eating is a give-away. In order to save money, most bots don't eat. ;) |
| 15:54 | gmcharlt | Brooke_: see how they respond when you feed them a botsnack |
| 15:54 | Brooke_: botsnack | |
| 15:54 | Brooke_ | thanks gmcharlt! :) |
| 15:55 | oleonard | Brooke_: Bug 5768 |
| 15:55 | Brooke_ | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5768 |
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| 15:55 | oleonard | Hmmm... pretty slow for a bot |
| 15:55 | wizzyrea | oh, bz bored |
| 15:56 | kf | huginn botsnack |
| 15:56 | wizzyrea | borked even |
| 15:56 | huginn | kf: downloading the Perl source |
| 15:56 | Brooke_ | maybe my latency is just high, oleonard. |
| 15:56 | wizzyrea | there goes ibot too |
| 15:56 | he's on same server as bz irrc | |
| 15:56 | iirc wow I am having troubles | |
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| 15:57 | Brooke_ | general strike! |
| 15:58 | gmcharlt | the VPS that bugs et al is running on appears to be entirely inaccesible, so I assume network or server issues at Linode |
| 15:58 | wizzyrea | oh there they all go |
| 15:59 | oleonard | They're all being absorbed into Watson's collective. |
| 16:00 | atz | booo |
| 16:00 | Brooke_ | it's not their fault they were offered good posts. |
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| 16:01 | wizzyrea | botsnack wahanui |
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| 16:01 | wizzyrea | wahanui: botsnack |
| 16:01 | wahanui | :) |
| 16:01 | wizzyrea | he's still not quite right |
| 16:01 | oh there he is | |
| 16:01 | jcamins | wahanui: botsnack sourdough bread |
| 16:01 | wahanui | :) |
| 16:01 | Brooke_ | see, I told you there was bot latency :P |
| 16:02 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 16:02 | Barc | I am back with this error when searching for a borrower:# |
| 16:02 | Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/members/member.pl line 113 | |
| 16:03 | If I uncomment line 113 I get the borrower listing screen in admin but everyones cat shows "( )". There are no nulls in borrowers tables for categories. Any ideas? | |
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| 16:28 | * Brooke_ | desperately hopes she doesn't unintentionally lure an unsuspecting developer to her house with the smell of this stuff... |
| 16:28 | jcamins | Brooke_: what? |
| 16:29 | Brooke_ | if I had some frangelico... |
| 16:29 | http://lesttheybelost.blogspot[…]-anzac-slice.html | |
| 16:29 | wizzyrea | oh my |
| 16:32 | you really can't go wrong with coconut, caramel, and rolled oats | |
| 16:32 | rhcl_away | sugar, butter, sweetened milk, coconut, golden syrup, brown sugar... |
| 16:32 | now why exactly are _organic_ oats worth it? | |
| 16:32 | rhcl_away is now known as rhcl | |
| 16:32 | Brooke_ | you don't know?! |
| 16:32 | wizzyrea | spud got some play food the other day that included an eggplant |
| 16:32 | Brooke_ | tsc |
| 16:32 | wizzyrea | he calls it an "eggplanet" |
| 16:32 | and "eggplanet ice cream" to be exact | |
| 16:32 | no clue. | |
| 16:33 | and this concludes today's "things spud says" installment | |
| 16:34 | * oleonard | Tivos that whole series |
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| 16:41 | Brooke_ | back |
| 16:42 | organic oats are worth it if you can find them since they could in theory stand on their own as an ingredient | |
| 16:42 | no nasty chemical taste to em | |
| 16:42 | nor are they crumbly little pluckers | |
| 16:53 | rhcl | With all the ingredients I extracted and enumerated above I can't possibly imagine that anyone could taste the difference. |
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| 16:55 | paul_p | 6PM and still sun light outside... spring coming... /me happy ! |
| 16:59 | Brooke_ | streusel, take your own risks laddy |
| 17:00 | oleonard | Anyone know why I would get this error when running rebuildzebra.pl? "DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Lock wait timeout exceeded;" |
| 17:02 | paul_p | oleonard, wow... is your server doing a lot of other things ? it usually means a mySQL query has locked some tables/rows, and rebuild_zebra has waited too long for the lock to be removed |
| 17:02 | jcamins | oleonard: two running on zebraqueue simultaneously. |
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| 17:12 | paul_p | bye bye #koha ! good week end everybody ! |
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| 17:12 | wizzyrea | bon... o bother |
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| 17:41 | jcamins | Does Koha need the mail server to be listening on port 25? |
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| 17:44 | cait | hi #koha |
| 17:47 | rhcl | hi cait |
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| 17:53 | * Brooke_ | waves to Cait :D |
| 17:56 | wizzyrea | afk lunch |
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| 18:00 | cait | hi Brooke |
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| 18:05 | sekjal | how would one make Koha default to the Title Notes tab on opac-detail.pl, rather than Holdings? |
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| 18:05 | jcamins | sekjal: there's a syspref. |
| 18:05 | Let me find it. | |
| 18:06 | I thought there was, anyway. | |
| 18:07 | Oh, no, it's only for Serials. | |
| 18:07 | opacSerialDefaultTab. | |
| 18:08 | Apparently that syspref isn't actuall defined. | |
| 18:09 | *actually | |
| 18:09 | sekjal | wouldn't be too hard to add. the opac-detail.pl page tests for defaulttab = 'something' |
| 18:09 | jcamins | Right. |
| 18:09 | sekjal | (didn't know H::T could do that) |
| 18:10 | jcamins | sekjal: yeah, defaulttab is set in Perl. |
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| 20:26 | druthb | Good afternoon, #koha. |
| 20:27 | oleonard | Shhhhh, everyone is napping! |
| 20:29 | * druthb | gets her pillow and blanket and KinderMat down off the shelf, and gets ready for a snooze. |
| 20:30 | * jcamins | waves to druthb |
| 20:30 | * druthb | waves back to jcamins. |
| 20:32 | * jcamins | rescues his cat from the sticky bug catcher thing |
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| 20:37 | * jcamins | 's cat is impressively chastened. Apparently sticky bug catcher things are more effective than scolding. |
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| 20:46 | * oleonard | is pleased that the switch to the jqueryUI date picker will result in a net reduction in lines of javascript in Koha |
| 20:53 | sekjal | happy weekend, #koha! |
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| 20:57 | jcamins | Time to go cook and clean for our dinner guests. I'll be back for a bit, later. |
| 20:58 | * druthb | is gonna step away for a bit too. back later this evening. |
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| 21:07 | bg | oleonard++ less lines of javascript has got to be a win somewhere |
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| 21:17 | bg | @wunder 93109 |
| 21:17 | huginn | bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 11.5�C (1:22 PM PST on February 18, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect from 9 am this morning to 8 PM PST this evening... |
| 21:18 | bg | light rain - ha |
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| 21:58 | bg | hi hdl |
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| 22:11 | braedon | @wunder auckland |
| 22:11 | huginn | braedon: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 21.0�C (11:00 AM NZDT on February 19, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
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| 22:40 | hdl | hi bg |
| 22:41 | good night | |
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