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| 00:09 | Ahmuck_ | rangi: what else were you hoping to host? |
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| 00:10 | rangi | it was more making hudson build more things like html pages for the manual etc |
| 00:11 | nothing that is urgent, or couldnt be done elsewhere | |
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| 01:00 | hudsonbot | Starting build 56 for job Koha_Docs_Master_Branch (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 01:00 | Starting build 6 for job Koha_Docs_3_2_x_Branch (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
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| 01:07 | pianohacker | the 9-character nick gestapo has been overthrown! |
| 01:10 | hudsonbot | Project Koha_Docs_Master_Branch build #56: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]Master_Branch/56/ |
| 01:10 | Nicole C. Engard: update authorized values to include note about lost values | |
| 01:16 | Project Koha_Docs_3_2_x_Branch build #6: SUCCESS in 15 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]s_3_2_x_Branch/6/ | |
| 01:16 | Nicole C. Engard: update authorized values to include note about lost values | |
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| 02:52 | wasabi_love | ive bumped into a weird bug, searching using a CCODE limit... |
| 02:53 | koha seems to be doing soem sort of 'right-wildcard' search? | |
| 02:54 | so limiting on (mc-CCODE=MATAHI) is bringing up 'MATAHI_X' records, too | |
| 02:54 | rangi | yeah if you have auto truncation on it will do that |
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| 02:54 | rangi | check your sysprefs |
| 02:55 | wasabi_love | i need to correct the 'ccode' definition in record.abs, i think |
| 02:55 | rangi | ? |
| 02:56 | wasabi_love | the query to ZOOM::Query::CCL2RPN() looks clean |
| 02:56 | rangi | im not sure that will do anything |
| 02:56 | check your systempreferences | |
| 02:56 | queryautotruncate | |
| 02:56 | wahanui | i think queryautotruncate is cait's usual suspect when something goes wrong |
| 02:56 | rangi | try turning that off |
| 02:57 | 1/ you will get much better results in general anyway | |
| 02:57 | wasabi_love | ie: i cant see Koha sneaking in any wildcard stuff, when calling zebrasrv |
| 02:57 | rangi | and 2/ it might fix this |
| 02:57 | wasabi_love | ta, ill have a looky |
| 03:01 | hmm, same result-count, and same bug too | |
| 03:03 | current def. for ccode in record.abs is.. | |
| 03:03 | melm 952$8 ccode | |
| 03:03 | it might need to be defined as.. | |
| 03:04 | melm 952$8 ccode:w | |
| 03:04 | or a string, even? | |
| 03:04 | melm 952$8 ccode:s | |
| 03:05 | ill look about for some doco from indexdata.... | |
| 03:16 | interesting, the unimarc def. of ccode has a 'w' attrib, but not the marc21 def. | |
| 03:17 | masonxen1:~/g/head$ grep -ir melm ./*|grep ccode |
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| 03:17 | ./etc/zebradb/marc_defs/unimarc/biblios/record.abs:melm 099$t ccode:w | |
| 03:18 | ./etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode | |
| 03:18 | i'll reindex and test.. | |
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| 03:34 | kmkale | namaskar #koha |
| 03:34 | I seem to have two #koha's open presently :( | |
| 03:37 | wasabi_love | kmkale: close one ;) |
| 03:37 | kmkale | :) |
| 03:38 | few people still hanging out in the katipo server channel | |
| 03:41 | gmcharlt | @wunder YYZ |
| 03:41 | huginn | gmcharlt: The current temperature in Toronto Pearson, Ontario is -7.0�C (10:00 PM EST on February 01, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: -15.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Falling). |
| 03:41 | kmkale | @weather Mumbai |
| 03:41 | huginn | kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 24.0�C (8:40 AM IST on February 02, 2011). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 03:42 | rangi | are you in toronto now? or heading there gmcharlt ? |
| 03:43 | gmcharlt | rangi: flying there tomorrow, I hope |
| 03:43 | rangi | brrrrr |
| 03:46 | wasabi_love | meh, i cant find what the n,s,w,p attribs do in the zebra doco, for record.abs :/ |
| 03:47 | rangi | numeric |
| 03:47 | sort | |
| 03:47 | word | |
| 03:47 | phrase | |
| 03:47 | wasabi_love | yeah, was my hunch... |
| 03:50 | ah, spotted the doco... | |
| 03:50 | http://www.indexdata.com/zebra[…]l-pqf-apt-mapping | |
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| 03:57 | wasabi_love | ccode:w didnt make a difference, rebuilding with ccode:p |
| 03:57 | ccode: p | |
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| 04:07 | Ahmuck_ | k, back finally |
| 04:07 | rangi: so what were u hoping to host on your linode? | |
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| 04:16 | indradg | @weather kolkata |
| 04:16 | huginn | indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 18.0�C (9:20 AM IST on February 02, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:19 | rangi | Ahmuck: check the logs |
| 04:19 | Ahmuck_ | sorry, i'm at home. logs are at work i suppose |
| 04:19 | my connection at home is bad | |
| 04:20 | rangi | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]11-02-02#i_591510 |
| 04:20 | Channel is publicly logged | |
| 04:23 | pianohacker joined #koha | |
| 04:23 | rangi | Hi pianohacker |
| 04:23 | pianohacker | Hey chris |
| 04:23 | How's it going? | |
| 04:23 | rangi | Good thanks, u? |
| 04:25 | Ahmuck_ | so just need a web host? |
| 04:27 | rangi | no we have plenty of them, I was just saying I can't have hudson (the buildserver) building them without more disk |
| 04:28 | Ahmuck_ | kk |
| 04:28 | rangi | They are already being built elsewhere someone had an idea to move them to hudson like the pdfs (and the code builds) |
| 04:29 | Which is fine, but it would need more disk, which is easy enough to buy but since its coming off my visa I wasn't that motivated :) | |
| 04:30 | Ahmuck_ | r u using xfs? |
| 04:31 | rangi | nope but its easy enough to get another chunk of disk off linode and mount it |
| 04:32 | And tell the builder to build there | |
| 04:33 | But like I say, its being done somewhere already | |
| 04:33 | And integrated with the main website | |
| 04:33 | So not an actual problem to solve | |
| 04:34 | Ahmuck_ | np |
| 04:34 | think i have extra disk space, but were using xfs for server grade expansion | |
| 04:34 | rangi | What we do need |
| 04:35 | Is contribs.koha-community.org set up somewhere | |
| 04:37 | Ahmuck_ | what is contribs.koha-community.org? |
| 04:37 | rangi | A place where ppl can upload things like firefox extensions |
| 04:37 | Or chrome extensions, or misc scripts | |
| 04:38 | Etc | |
| 04:38 | contribs.koha.org was the old site, but we have no real attachment to the software that ran it | |
| 04:39 | But something like that | |
| 04:41 | Hasn't been decided yet | |
| 04:43 | Bbiab | |
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| 05:14 | * wasabi_love | catches a train, ciao folks |
| 05:16 | pianohacker | headed out, see you guys later |
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| 05:37 | Ahmuck__ | nite |
| 05:45 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:45 | cait | good morning #koha :) |
| 05:47 | kmkale | hi cait |
| 05:47 | cait | morning kmkale :) |
| 05:48 | kmkale | is there any way I can do multiple imports from a z39 search? |
| 05:49 | Ahmuck__ left #koha | |
| 05:49 | cait | kmkale: I think in cataloging it's not possible at the moment |
| 05:50 | hm, some records are saved to the reservoir with every search I think | |
| 05:50 | kmkale | are there any downlodable collections of MARC records available for testing? I need records with ISBN's |
| 05:57 | cait | kmkale: there is apage on the wiki about free marc records |
| 05:58 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_sample_MARC_data | |
| 05:59 | kmkale | thanks cait |
| 05:59 | cait | np |
| 05:59 | getting ready for work - bbl | |
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| 06:09 | AG | heya all |
| 06:10 | heya kmkale | |
| 06:11 | kmkale | hi AG == Amit Gupta? |
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| 06:14 | AG | yes AG means Amit Gupta ur right |
| 06:14 | kmkale | :) |
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| 06:27 | rangi | poor old australia |
| 06:27 | http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com[…]ustralia-crop.gif | |
| 06:27 | snail | is this the correct new channel? |
| 06:28 | rangi | it is |
| 06:28 | snail | cool |
| 06:33 | rangi | hmm no ronald .. i hope the solomon islands didnt get pounded too badly |
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| 06:54 | kf | good morning #koha ;) |
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| 06:54 | kf | t |
| 06:55 | ok, irc settings corrected | |
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| 06:59 | thd-away is now known as thd | |
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| 07:02 | snail | rangi: it looks like the work I work http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5666 for is going to end up being done using MARCXML and XSLT instead |
| 07:02 | huginn | 04Bug 5666: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, regexp edits to URL fields in bibliographic edit screens |
| 07:02 | snail | but I'm happy to share my XSLT once it's done |
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| 07:07 | francharb | hi all |
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| 07:27 | kmkale is now known as kmkale_a | |
| 07:43 | kmkale_a is now known as kmkale | |
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| 07:45 | jransom | Kia ora ! |
| 07:51 | wasabi_love | classic .... |
| 07:51 | http://www.mail-archive.com/ko[…]org/msg02922.html | |
| 07:51 | http://www.mail-archive.com/ko[…]org/msg02937.html | |
| 07:53 | kf | kia ora jransom :) |
| 07:53 | wasabi_love? | |
| 07:53 | wasabi_love | ive noticed a lot of the mailing-list archive sites are still pointing to the old 'lists.koha.org' url |
| 07:53 | rangi | cant change that |
| 07:54 | wasabi_love | http://www.mail-archive.com/ko[…]oha.org/info.html |
| 07:54 | really ? | |
| 07:54 | heya kf | |
| 07:54 | http://www.mail-archive.com/ko[…]ity.org/info.html | |
| 07:54 | kf | love? *wonders* |
| 07:55 | wasabi_love | ahh, there are 2 'koha-devel' lists there… |
| 07:55 | i love wasabi :) | |
| 07:56 | jransom | I love wasabi too |
| 07:56 | hiya kf, wasabi and chris | |
| 07:57 | kf | wasabi_love: ok :) |
| 07:57 | I can understand that | |
| 07:58 | wasabi_love | wasabi is hot |
| 07:59 | hot_love… its a little joke.. :) | |
| 08:00 | the best kinda luv!!! | |
| 08:00 | jransom | (rolls eyes) |
| 08:03 | wasabi_love | apparently very few people have actually tasted *real* wasabi |
| 08:04 | chris_n2 joined #koha | |
| 08:04 | wasabi_love | most wasabi is fake, horseradish and green/yellow food-coloring :/ |
| 08:04 | … says teh interweb | |
| 08:05 | chris_n left #koha | |
| 08:06 | wasabi_love | i made a point of eating different types of wasabi when in japan |
| 08:06 | its a bit grainier than the stuff in NZ, more like pesto? | |
| 08:07 | AG | heya wasabhi_love |
| 08:07 | wasabi_love | well, most wasabi in NZ is fake... |
| 08:07 | kf | AG = Amit? |
| 08:08 | AG | heya kf |
| 08:08 | wasabi_love | in japan its probably authentic stuff |
| 08:08 | heya amit | |
| 08:08 | AG | heya AG= Amit Gupta |
| 08:09 | jransom | hiya Amit |
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| 08:13 | AG | jransom |
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| 08:54 | Oak | \o |
| 09:02 | AG | heya hdl, Oak |
| 09:08 | Oak left #koha | |
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| 09:12 | cirbic | hello |
| 09:12 | wahanui | hi, cirbic |
| 09:12 | cirbic | greetings from almeria (spain) |
| 09:12 | nice to meet you everybody again | |
| 09:14 | how are you | |
| 09:15 | wasabi_love | cirbic: fyi - wahanui is a bot ;) |
| 09:15 | wahanui | |
| 09:15 | wahanui | yes, wasabi_love? |
| 09:15 | wasabi_love | i love you |
| 09:15 | cirbic | where are you from? |
| 09:15 | Brooke_ joined #koha | |
| 09:15 | cirbic | or better |
| 09:16 | where are you? | |
| 09:16 | wasabi_love | i'm from NZ |
| 09:16 | Brooke_ | kia ora |
| 09:16 | wasabi_love | wahanui: i love you |
| 09:16 | wahanui | wasabi_love: what? |
| 09:16 | Brooke_ | hheheheh |
| 09:16 | cirbic | as I said I´m in Spain |
| 09:16 | here is where I work | |
| 09:17 | http://www.psa.es | |
| 09:17 | kmkale left #koha | |
| 09:17 | wasabi_love | oooh, i've offended wahanui :/ |
| 09:17 | Brooke_ | he can't see the bot/human relationship working out favourably |
| 09:18 | cirbic | in which library do you work ? |
| 09:18 | a public library | |
| 09:18 | wasabi_love | cirbic: psa looks nice! :) |
| 09:18 | cirbic | college library...? |
| 09:19 | yes It´s nice | |
| 09:19 | wasabi_love | i do some koha support and development in NZ |
| 09:19 | cirbic | We´re the best site in the world for solar thermal technology development |
| 09:19 | AG | heya wasabi_love |
| 09:19 | Brooke_ | <3 solar |
| 09:20 | cirbic | even better than americans! |
| 09:20 | jransom | I love solar too |
| 09:20 | Brooke_ | solar ++ |
| 09:20 | jransom | $42 mid winter power bill - yee hah! |
| 09:20 | wasabi_love | cirbic: that is *very* interesting! |
| 09:20 | cirbic | I work in the library of the PSA |
| 09:21 | it´s a small specialized librar | |
| 09:21 | ~2000 books | |
| 09:21 | * Brooke_ | thinks those are oft the best |
| 09:21 | Brooke_ | wouldn't want to have to catalogue em, though XD |
| 09:22 | cirbic | :D |
| 09:22 | Brooke_ | ooof school's out at UIUC |
| 09:22 | that's like twice in about 50 years. | |
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| 09:23 | cirbic | during 2010 we´ve made a new building for library and computer center |
| 09:23 | and now the works in the building are over | |
| 09:23 | * Brooke_ | waves to kmkale |
| 09:23 | kmkale | hi |
| 09:23 | cirbic | I want to use koha |
| 09:24 | for the library management | |
| 09:24 | and for the OPAC | |
| 09:24 | we´ve never had an OPAC | |
| 09:24 | just a ACCESS database | |
| 09:25 | wasabi_love | lucky you :/ |
| 09:25 | Brooke_ | oh dear. |
| 09:25 | wasabi_love | but, hey.. a very common situation |
| 09:25 | Brooke_ | indeed |
| 09:26 | Sandeep_Bhavsar joined #koha | |
| 09:26 | wasabi_love | actually lots of libraries just have an excel spreadsheet, lol |
| 09:26 | Brooke_ | niyayo |
| 09:26 | wasabi_love | ive seen a few of those in my time |
| 09:26 | Brooke_ | hi sandeep |
| 09:26 | Sandeep_Bhavsar | hi Brooke |
| 09:27 | cirbic | that is why what I besiege you with questions |
| 09:27 | :D | |
| 09:27 | * kf | waves to cirbic :) |
| 09:28 | * Brooke_ | s eyes widen looking at the sat on Yasi... |
| 09:29 | rangi | http://resources3.news.com.au/[…]ne-comparison.jpg |
| 09:29 | cirbic | and I take the ocassion to thank you all the support you gave me |
| 09:31 | wasabi_love | yasi has a 100km eye |
| 09:31 | kmkale | ouch yasi looks worse than katrina |
| 09:32 | AG | heya kmkale |
| 09:32 | Sandeep_Bhavsar | yes kmkale is right |
| 09:32 | wahanui | i already had it that way, Sandeep_Bhavsar. |
| 09:33 | kmkale | hi amit |
| 09:33 | hi sandeep | |
| 09:33 | cirbic | that yosi looks bad |
| 09:33 | Sandeep_Bhavsar | yes kousthubha |
| 09:33 | good afternoon | |
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| 09:35 | jransom | brooke: yu seen the map og USA with yasi superimposed over it? |
| 09:36 | Brooke_ | negative |
| 09:36 | oi ian | |
| 09:36 | cirbic | wasabi is gone? |
| 09:36 | sekjal | morning, Brooke |
| 09:37 | cirbic | you all live in nz? |
| 09:38 | Brooke_ | we all wish it, that's the same, no? |
| 09:38 | cirbic | :D |
| 09:38 | what time is where you live? | |
| 09:38 | here at spain 10.41 AM | |
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| 09:39 | Brooke_ | 0441 |
| 09:39 | hua! | |
| 09:40 | joann | dropped my connection here |
| 09:40 | cirbic | 04.41 at nz? |
| 09:40 | Brooke_ | noper |
| 09:40 | cirbic | do you work at night or you cant sleep? |
| 09:41 | * Brooke_ | is a dirty rotten stinkin' Yank. |
| 09:41 | Brooke_ | the kiwis are up at night |
| 09:41 | Sandeep_Bhavsar | India Mumbai 15.15 |
| 09:41 | joann | 10.44pm in NZ |
| 09:41 | gettin a bit blimmin late | |
| 09:41 | * Brooke_ | titters |
| 09:41 | Brooke_ | ye're up later than this |
| 09:41 | cirbic | just 12 hours from spain to nz |
| 09:41 | Brooke_ | I has blog proofs. |
| 09:42 | * sekjal | blinks, trying follow everything, while the first pot of coffee gets going |
| 09:42 | cirbic | well I´ll take my car |
| 09:42 | and drive to nz | |
| 09:42 | Brooke_ | but you'd have to drive into tomorrow. |
| 09:42 | rangi | cirbic: we have a meeting in 15 minutes, thats why people are here |
| 09:42 | cirbic | I´ll take just 20 minutes |
| 09:42 | joann | its wednesday night here |
| 09:43 | Brooke_ | cirbic: can I borrow the car mate? |
| 09:43 | cirbic | yeah |
| 09:43 | Brooke_ | \/\/00+ |
| 09:43 | cirbic | rangi: the meeting is in the channel? |
| 09:43 | rangi | yes |
| 09:43 | cirbic | I supposed I´ve to leave it |
| 09:44 | rangi | no |
| 09:44 | cirbic | ah |
| 09:44 | Brooke_ | sit down |
| 09:44 | cirbic | just hear |
| 09:44 | rangi | but there will be an agenda |
| 09:44 | jransom left #koha | |
| 09:44 | rangi | and i have work tomorrow |
| 09:44 | * Brooke_ | comforts rangi |
| 09:44 | rangi | so if people stay on topic i will get some sleep :) |
| 09:44 | cirbic | I think meeting is about koha? |
| 09:44 | rangi | but you are welcome to participate |
| 09:44 | * Brooke_ | nods |
| 09:44 | slef | hi all |
| 09:44 | Brooke_ | oi |
| 09:45 | jcamins_away is now known as jcamins | |
| 09:45 | jcamins | Greetings, #koha |
| 09:45 | cirbic | I think my level of knowledgment about koha is very low |
| 09:45 | sekjal | morning, jcamins |
| 09:45 | rangi | good way to learn ;) |
| 09:45 | Brooke_ | attend enough of these, it'll skyrocket. |
| 09:45 | cirbic | a new librarian who is trying to get it started in my library |
| 09:46 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…],_2_February_2011 |
| 09:46 | jcamins | sekjal: *technically*, yes. |
| 09:46 | rangi | is the agenda |
| 09:46 | cirbic | with a lot of questions |
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| 09:48 | * Brooke_ | waves to nate |
| 09:48 | joann | i'm yawning already |
| 09:48 | Nate_ | mornin |
| 09:48 | cirbic | rangi: the meeting will be here at the channel or you will open a private conversation? |
| 09:48 | rangi | here |
| 09:48 | joann | we might have to have an 'exciting' meeting to keep me awake :) |
| 09:48 | cirbic | o |
| 09:48 | ok | |
| 09:48 | slef | joann: where we decide to return to NZ for kohacon11? |
| 09:48 | * slef | runs |
| 09:48 | Brooke_ | hehehe |
| 09:49 | * Brooke_ | approves of slef. |
| 09:49 | joann | i'd have ya back in a heart beat mate |
| 09:49 | rangi | the koha community works in the open, transparency is one of our principles |
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| 09:49 | kmkale | rangi you did not convince him |
| 09:49 | rangi | heh |
| 09:49 | Brooke_ | he mighta dcd |
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| 09:49 | kmkale | wb cirbic |
| 09:49 | Brooke_ | wb cirbic |
| 09:50 | cirbic | hello again |
| 09:50 | conecction dropped | |
| 09:51 | I´ve to go to put inventory stickers | |
| 09:51 | I´ll come back in 20 minutes | |
| 09:51 | I´ll leave the connection open | |
| 09:52 | snail left #koha | |
| 09:52 | joann | @cirbic ; we will be a meeting, you welcme to join us but we do have an agenda to get through |
| 09:52 | huginn | joann: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 09:52 | kmkale | :) |
| 09:52 | joann | wot? |
| 09:52 | kmkale | these bots are fun |
| 09:52 | * chris_n2 | drags in with a box of tissues and a cold :( |
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| 09:54 | Brooke_ | cheeky huginn, cheeky. |
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| 09:55 | chris_n | two dsl's down first thing is *not* a nice way to start the day :-P |
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| 09:57 | slef | argh! some idiot has set a fire nearby! I may have to move in a moment |
| 09:57 | rangi | #startmeeting |
| 09:57 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Feb 2 10:00:46 2011 UTC. The chair is rangi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 09:57 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | |
| 09:57 | * chris_n | feels a bit better about just having dsl outages to deal with now |
| 09:58 | rangi | #topic Introductions |
| 09:58 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions | |
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| 09:58 | * rangi | is chris cormack, release manager 3.4 |
| 09:58 | * hdl | Henri-Damien LAURENT, release maintainer 3.0 |
| 09:58 | * chris_n | is Chris Nighswonger, release maintainer 3.2 |
| 09:58 | * druthb | is D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions |
| 09:58 | jwagner | Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
| 09:58 | AG | AG is known as Amit Gupta Nucsoft Osslabs, Bangalore |
| 09:58 | * jcamins | = Jared Camins-Esakov, ByWater Solutions |
| 09:58 | tajoli | Zeno Tajoli, CILEA |
| 09:58 | * sekjal | is Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions |
| 09:58 | joann | Joann Ransom, HLT, NZ |
| 09:58 | Nate_ | Nate: Nate Curulla ByWater Solutions |
| 09:58 | ColinC | Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe Ltd |
| 09:58 | * davi | is Davi Diaz, worker for software.coop |
| 09:58 | kmkale | Koustubha Kale Anant Coorporation, VPM, Thane and Granthalaya.org |
| 09:59 | thd | Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 09:59 | * slef | is MJ Ray, worker-owner of software.coop |
| 10:00 | * wasabi_love | -> Mason James, KohaAloha, NZ |
| 10:00 | SandeepBhavsar | Sandeep Bhavsar Librarian VPM's Dr. V N Bedekar Management Institute, Thane |
| 10:00 | rangi | anyone else? |
| 10:01 | right, will move on then | |
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| 10:01 | rangi | #topic Update on 3.2 |
| 10:01 | Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.2 | |
| 10:01 | rangi | over to your chris_n |
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| 10:01 | chris_n | right |
| 10:01 | 3.2.x maintenance continues to move along well. | |
| 10:01 | 3.2.3 was released on 22 Jan as scheduled thanks to the hard work of developers, QA, and the 3.4 RM. | |
| 10:01 | We are 12 commits toward the release of 3.2.4 on 22 Feb. | |
| 10:01 | And that's all. | |
| 10:01 | rangi | :) |
| 10:02 | hdl | congrats |
| 10:02 | rangi | nothing anyone can do to make your life easier? |
| 10:02 | chris_n | only one |
| 10:02 | please be sure to test application of patches against the 3.2.x branch prior to submitting | |
| 10:03 | and if necessary, fixup and submit with [3.2.x] in the subject line | |
| 10:03 | rangi | (if they are bugfixes applicable to 3.2 eh?) |
| 10:03 | chris_n | right :) |
| 10:03 | of course | |
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| 10:03 | chris_n | marking them as applicable only to 3.4 would help as well :) |
| 10:03 | this is something the submitter could do | |
| 10:04 | rangi | #info please mark patches as applicable for 3.4 only if that is the case |
| 10:04 | #info if patches are to be applied on 3.2.x please test they apply cleanly on that branch | |
| 10:05 | cool ... anything else about 3.2.x anyone? | |
| 10:05 | sekjal | great work, chris_n, on the regular, on-time releases! |
| 10:05 | chris_n | thanks to all who's work has made 3.2.x maintenance run smoothly |
| 10:05 | s/all/everyone/ | |
| 10:06 | * kf | Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
| 10:06 | wasabi_love | chris_n: test commits from the HEAD of the 3.2 branch, or the latest 3.2 tag? |
| 10:06 | rangi | id say head |
| 10:06 | chris_n | HEAD |
| 10:06 | wasabi_love | or something else? |
| 10:07 | rangi | #topic update on 3.0.x |
| 10:07 | Topic for #koha is now update on 3.0.x | |
| 10:07 | ColinC | First UK Public to go Koha goes live on Thursday on 3.2.3 Thanks all |
| 10:07 | rangi | hdl: you have anything for this? |
| 10:08 | wasabi_love | ok , thanks |
| 10:08 | hdl | nothing new. Still have to do it |
| 10:09 | rangi | righto, anyone have anything to add for 3.0.x ? |
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| 10:09 | slef | *sigh* I'm glad you're building on the co-op's decade-ish of work, but can we keep company news releases out of the community meeting, please? There are other venues for that. |
| 10:10 | ColinC | Its the community's achievement slef |
| 10:10 | slef | ColinC: it's still off-topic. |
| 10:10 | rangi | and so this discussion, so moving on |
| 10:10 | #topic update on 3.4 | |
| 10:10 | Topic for #koha is now update on 3.4 | |
| 10:10 | davi | Are ads allowed here along a meeting? |
| 10:11 | rangi | moving on davi |
| 10:11 | davi | Are allowed anyway? |
| 10:11 | kmkale | :) |
| 10:11 | davi | ack rangi |
| 10:11 | joann | moving on folks |
| 10:11 | 3.4 update | |
| 10:11 | rangi | ok, 3.4 is still on schedule |
| 10:12 | what we do have, is a fair amount of patches awaiting signoff | |
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| 10:12 | wasabi_love | rangi: url please? |
| 10:12 | rangi | so i might start sending mails out, maybe 1 a week with a list of patches id like looked at |
| 10:13 | slef | #note <rangi> what we do have, is a fair amount of patches awaiting signoff |
| 10:13 | rangi | http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ |
| 10:13 | patches needing signoff there | |
| 10:13 | slef | #link http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ |
| 10:13 | irmaB | hi all - Irma Birchall from CALYX - sorry for the late login |
| 10:14 | rangi | work is under way to make the biblibre patches easier to qa |
| 10:15 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5574 | |
| 10:15 | huginn | 04Bug 5574: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, 3.4 cataloguing improvements |
| 10:15 | rangi | see the depends on links there |
| 10:16 | there will be a press release later this week, but biblibre have contracted catalyst to do some qa and reformatting of their patches | |
| 10:17 | (you may have seen one i reformatted today) | |
| 10:17 | chris_n | any more thoughts about a QA-fest sort of activity? |
| 10:17 | or test-fest | |
| 10:17 | rangi | i think its a good idea, for the patches sitting in the needing signoff queue |
| 10:18 | but i wont have time to organise it | |
| 10:18 | kf | I think it's a good idea and would try to participate |
| 10:18 | irmaB | have you already discussed teaching others how to test? |
| 10:18 | rangi | i will however try to send out mails to koha-devel |
| 10:18 | Brooke_ | irmaB++ |
| 10:18 | rangi | highlighting patches that are critical etc |
| 10:19 | kf | qa_mails++ |
| 10:19 | ColinC | might be worth flagging up somethings as priorities if they are |
| 10:19 | rangi | good idea |
| 10:19 | hdl | severity could be a first order |
| 10:20 | wasabi_love | ooh, Koha is listed on branchable.com 's front-page |
| 10:20 | rangi | kf, oleonard, and fredericd have been testing the template work |
| 10:20 | that is coming along well | |
| 10:21 | do we have any volunteers to sort through the bugs with patches awaiting signoff? changing severity where it makes sense? | |
| 10:21 | marking those that are invalid as such | |
| 10:22 | etc | |
| 10:22 | sekjal | I can throw a couple hours at it over the next few weeks |
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| 10:22 | rangi | thanks sekjal |
| 10:22 | wasabi_love | yep, me too |
| 10:22 | rangi | #action sekjal and wasabi_love will spend some time organising bugs |
| 10:22 | irmaB | yep me too with Mason's help |
| 10:22 | davi | rangi, I could try to review one, to learn how to do it |
| 10:22 | rangi | cool |
| 10:22 | wasabi_love | im hoping to have a quiet next few weeks |
| 10:23 | irmaB | davi ++ |
| 10:23 | rangi | i think thats about all from me |
| 10:23 | does anyone have any questions? | |
| 10:23 | kmkale | i could help testing simple ones |
| 10:23 | wasabi_love | yep, no probs irma |
| 10:23 | davi | rangi, I will ask or contact you if I need help |
| 10:23 | rangi | cool |
| 10:23 | im pretty much always here :) | |
| 10:24 | davi | me too, except nights |
| 10:24 | rangi | if there is nothing else shall we move on to the next agenda item? |
| 10:25 | #topic Roles for 3.6 | |
| 10:25 | Topic for #koha is now Roles for 3.6 | |
| 10:25 | rangi | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.6 |
| 10:25 | kmkale | i could help testing simple ones/ |
| 10:25 | :( | |
| 10:25 | rangi | we are halfway through 3.4 .. time to start thinking about 3.6 |
| 10:26 | kmkale | rangi have you decided on any last dates for features etc for 3.4? |
| 10:27 | rangi | not firm ones, i have in mind 3 weeks for feature freeze 1 week for string freeze |
| 10:27 | indradg | sorry late for the meeting |
| 10:27 | rangi | will firm those up and announce |
| 10:27 | kmkale | k |
| 10:27 | hdl | translators should be provided two weeks for their work imha |
| 10:28 | rangi | will mean a 4 week feature freeze |
| 10:28 | which is end of march | |
| 10:28 | tajoli | In fact yes, two week is a minimun for a transaltion |
| 10:28 | hdl | But if soon announced, ppl can be prepared well enough. |
| 10:28 | chris_n | as long as we branch off that should not be too bad heh? |
| 10:29 | rangi | but we shouldnt be waiting until then to start translating |
| 10:29 | kf | I think it depends on the number of strings |
| 10:29 | rangi | that should be just finishing off |
| 10:29 | chris_n | not_waiting++ |
| 10:29 | kf | 1 week can be enough, but 2 weeks are better |
| 10:29 | not_waiting++ | |
| 10:29 | if we start early enough and tell people to start 1 week should be ok | |
| 10:30 | hdl | rangi: hopefully, we won't find bugs in the translation of template toolkit... But we may have. |
| 10:30 | tajoli | We can see the number only after TT translation |
| 10:30 | kmkale | so about 6 to 7 weeks for new features to be submitted AND signed off |
| 10:30 | indradg | +1 for 2 week for translations |
| 10:30 | rangi | hdl: thats why we are testing that already :) |
| 10:30 | kmkale: approx yes | |
| 10:30 | hdl | kmkale: and qaed |
| 10:31 | Brooke_ | so if you have a feature nao or next week :) |
| 10:31 | * chris_n | thinks its going to get mighty busy very soon :) |
| 10:31 | wasabi_love | man, i'm *really* looking forward to using Koha+TT |
| 10:31 | rangi | of course if you miss 3.4, at least 3.6 is only another 6 months away |
| 10:31 | speaking of 3.6 | |
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| 10:32 | rangi | people should throw their names in the ring on that page |
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| 10:32 | ColinC | If people have features that they slated for 3.4 and now will be 3.6 please update proposals accordingly |
| 10:33 | rangi | #info If people have features that they slated for 3.4 and now will be 3.6 please update proposals accordingly |
| 10:33 | hdl | slated ? |
| 10:34 | chris_n | proposed |
| 10:34 | ColinC | proposed/scheduled |
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| 10:37 | rangi | ok, does anyone have anything about 3.6 roles? |
| 10:37 | kf | when will we vote? next meeting? |
| 10:37 | rangi | good question |
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| 10:37 | * rangi | doesnt have an answer |
| 10:38 | jwagner | when is 3.4 due for release again? Ideally the 3.6 team should be in place at that point. |
| 10:38 | rangi | april 22 |
| 10:38 | kf | meetings are beginning of march or april |
| 10:39 | jwagner | So the vote could be at the beginning of April, to give people a bit longer to think about it. |
| 10:39 | chris_n | perhaps at the april general meeting |
| 10:39 | * Brooke_ | wonders if we are running Senatorial timelines now... |
| 10:39 | jwagner | Yes, the regular April meeting |
| 10:40 | hdl | if branch is to be done middle of march... maybe having realase manager for 3.6 could be good for March |
| 10:40 | Brooke_ | I agree hdl |
| 10:40 | kf | good point |
| 10:40 | chris_n | true |
| 10:40 | Brooke_ | another month should be plenty of consideration |
| 10:40 | rangi | will be late march |
| 10:40 | but will be before the april meeting | |
| 10:40 | hdl | even late march.... Will be before april meeting. |
| 10:41 | chris_n | either way is workable though imho |
| 10:41 | hdl | We could have an extraordinary meeting |
| 10:41 | to vote | |
| 10:41 | But one month to think about a proposal is fine i think | |
| 10:41 | rangi | #idea special meeting to decide 3.6 Release team |
| 10:41 | kf | having the team before branch makes sense to me - so it would be early march or an extraordinary meeting. we should note the date on the wiki page anyway. |
| 10:42 | so people considering it know | |
| 10:42 | rangi | who would like to send out an email |
| 10:42 | pointing to the roles page | |
| 10:42 | i think i did one, or i might have just dreamed it | |
| 10:42 | slef | ugh, not possible to do it in General...March? |
| 10:43 | Brooke_ | I'll do that |
| 10:43 | that's dogsbody work | |
| 10:43 | rangi | yes its possible |
| 10:43 | hdl | rangi: you did |
| 10:43 | Brooke_ | to devel or general? |
| 10:43 | thd | The longer we wait the more time there is to draft people into roles whether they want them or not :) |
| 10:43 | Brooke_ | thd people will always wait longer |
| 10:43 | rangi | ok, so how likes the idea of deciding in the march general meeting? |
| 10:43 | * Brooke_ | points to Zipf's principle. |
| 10:43 | rangi | s/how/who/ |
| 10:44 | +1 from me | |
| 10:44 | druthb | +1 |
| 10:44 | jcamins | +1 |
| 10:44 | Brooke_ | March +1 |
| 10:44 | sekjal | +1 |
| 10:44 | Oak | +-1 |
| 10:44 | ColinC | +1 |
| 10:44 | jwagner | +1 |
| 10:44 | chris_n | +1 |
| 10:44 | joann | +1 |
| 10:44 | thd | +1 |
| 10:44 | kf | +1 |
| 10:44 | wasabi_love | ++1 |
| 10:45 | gbengaadara | +1 |
| 10:45 | slef | 0 |
| 10:45 | ||
| 10:45 | indradg | +1 |
| 10:46 | wasabi_love | march it is… :) |
| 10:46 | tajoli | +1 |
| 10:46 | rangi | #agreed roles for 3.6 to be decided at the march general meeting |
| 10:47 | #action brooke to send an email | |
| 10:48 | anything else about 3.6? | |
| 10:49 | feel free to pester me anytime about release management | |
| 10:50 | #topic irc move | |
| 10:50 | Topic for #koha is now irc move | |
| 10:50 | rangi | this was a late addition to the agenda |
| 10:50 | davi | Very good move! |
| 10:50 | wasabi_love | any plans for big html::template to TT rewrite before 3.6? |
| 10:51 | rangi | wasabi_love: thats for 3.4 |
| 10:51 | davi: sad move, but probably nessecary | |
| 10:51 | wasabi_love | or should we wait until after 3.6, to do that stuff? |
| 10:51 | chris_n | wasabi_love: chris has done the work already |
| 10:51 | its in qa atm | |
| 10:52 | no need to wait imho | |
| 10:52 | rangi | chris hall has done the work, not me, i just supervised |
| 10:52 | chris_n: you added this to the agenda, do you have more to add? | |
| 10:52 | joann | (as the risk of appearing stupid: what is TT?) |
| 10:52 | slef | joann: template toolkit |
| 10:52 | joann | thanks |
| 10:52 | slef | joann: new templating system |
| 10:52 | wasabi_love | chris_n: w0w, ok - ill ask later about that… |
| 10:53 | slef | The Template Toolkit (TT) is a fast and flexible template engine used primarily for building web sites but also suitable for any type of digital document creation like PDF or LaTeX. Template Toolkit, or TT for short, is based on a mini-language, rather than allowing direct perl like some of its competitors like Mason. This forces developers to only have presentation logic in... http://a.vu/w:Template_Toolkit |
| 10:53 | chris_n | I would only like to add that I do think the move is a sad necessity |
| 10:53 | rangi | wasabi_love: pay attention ;) we covered it in the 3.4 item :) |
| 10:53 | chris_n | it's a step away from the historical norm |
| 10:53 | which imho is not always the best move | |
| 10:53 | but life does move on | |
| 10:54 | that's it | |
| 10:54 | wasabi_love | http://template-toolkit.org/ |
| 10:54 | kmkale | how does move to TT affect current WIP? |
| 10:54 | slef | Have we heard from katipo about their IRC server? |
| 10:54 | rangi | cna we table the TT talk til after the meeting please |
| 10:54 | kmkale | ok |
| 10:54 | hdl | it is up again. |
| 10:55 | rangi | yes |
| 10:55 | i have talked with si | |
| 10:56 | 11:38 <@si> yup, I think oftc is probably a better home for koha | |
| 10:56 | he no longer works for citylink, where the server is, so we dont have someone we can pester | |
| 10:56 | davi | yes, even OFTC is even a better move than Free Node options IMHO |
| 10:56 | thd | Does OFTC have any problematic policies or practices? |
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| 10:57 | thd | * You are now known as thd-away |
| 10:57 | * You are now known as thd | |
| 10:57 | * You may not reregister | |
| 10:57 | Will I be banned for changing my nic when away? | |
| 10:57 | rangi | no |
| 10:57 | davi | I think OFTC is under the Software for Public Interest umbrella , isn't it? |
| 10:57 | rangi | yes |
| 10:57 | irmaB | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OFTC |
| 10:58 | slef | thd: not as far as I know. It's an SPI associated project aiming to run a communications network. http://www.oftc.net/ |
| 10:58 | cirbic left #koha | |
| 10:59 | Brooke_ | their mission looks harmonious to our aims. |
| 10:59 | wasabi_love | if OFTC is good enuff for the debian-project , its prolly good enuff for us |
| 10:59 | slef | more comments/questions? move on? |
| 10:59 | rangi | the next topic on the agenda was mine, but i think ill just point people to my blogpost on it instead |
| 10:59 | wasabi_love | http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060604 |
| 10:59 | thd | As long as their software is as harmonious as the mission I am happy :) |
| 10:59 | kf | http://www.spi-inc.org/projects/ |
| 11:00 | seems there are a member | |
| 11:00 | they are a member of SPI | |
| 11:00 | chris_n | rangi: link? |
| 11:00 | slef | #topic Report on Catalyst Academy Work |
| 11:00 | rangi | #link http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]success-for-koha/ |
| 11:00 | hmm | |
| 11:00 | #topic Report on Catalyst Academy Work | |
| 11:00 | Topic for #koha is now Report on Catalyst Academy Work | |
| 11:00 | * chris_n | pings huginn |
| 11:01 | rangi | only the chair can change topic |
| 11:01 | it seems | |
| 11:01 | ok thats all i have on that | |
| 11:01 | irmaB | at the Linux conference in Brisbane last week |
| 11:01 | kf | slef: ok, to correct myself - page says asscociated projects... |
| 11:01 | rangi | #topic action points from last meeting |
| 11:01 | Topic for #koha is now action points from last meeting | |
| 11:02 | irmaB | students from Albany high school gave apresentation |
| 11:02 | slef | kf: np, lots get it wrong. Only project contributors are members. |
| 11:02 | rangi | #link http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]-01-05-22.01.html |
| 11:02 | the action points are there | |
| 11:02 | hdl to release 3.0.7 and post and end of life announcement < --- still to be done | |
| 11:03 | nengard to ask owen about a tutorial on rebasing others patches | |
| 11:03 | did this happen? | |
| 11:03 | slef | rangi: should undone ones be put as #action again? |
| 11:03 | rangi | good idea |
| 11:03 | anyone can do an #action | |
| 11:03 | #action hdl to release 3.0.7 and post and end of life announcement | |
| 11:04 | slef | rangi: oops. |
| 11:04 | rangi | no owen or nengard, so no idea if that one happened |
| 11:04 | someone organise a meeting to talk about persistance <-- didnt happen | |
| 11:04 | Brooke_ | someone-- |
| 11:05 | thd | There was some discussion just after the last meeting on the issue of license upgrade for OpenNCIP. |
| 11:05 | rangi | thd still going through last meetings action points |
| 11:05 | #action someone organise a meeting to talk about persistance | |
| 11:05 | thd | OK |
| 11:06 | rangi | chris_n send an email to the devel list if there is anything we need to know about 3.2.x |
| 11:06 | that happened | |
| 11:06 | brooke with the help of wizzyrea and others to start on a draft code of conduct/ social contract thingy <-- happened | |
| 11:06 | newsletter moved to 25th, slef and nengard to work on ideas to make it less onerous <-- move happened | |
| 11:06 | slef | #action slef to ask nengard and owen about the tutorial on rebasing others patches |
| 11:06 | rangi | ricardo has just volunteered to set up the page for the meeting <-- was done |
| 11:07 | slef | #action slef, nengard and wizzyrea to work on ideas to make newsletter production easier |
| 11:07 | rangi | someone send out a reminder email about the meeting <-- happened also |
| 11:07 | slef | because the rest of that is still on my todo |
| 11:07 | rangi | righto |
| 11:08 | #topic Kohacon11 | |
| 11:08 | Topic for #koha is now Kohacon11 | |
| 11:08 | rangi | who wants to speak to this? |
| 11:09 | davi | #action rangi to mentor davi to review a patche awaiting signoff, if davi needs help to work out that task |
| 11:09 | s/patche/patch/ | |
| 11:09 | kmkale | I have no idea how this is decided, but would love to see ya all in India for KohaCon11 |
| 11:09 | joann | how are we going to choose kohacon location? |
| 11:09 | indradg | how are we choosing the location? |
| 11:09 | Brooke_ | the olde fashioned way. A cage match to the death. |
| 11:10 | indradg | Brooke_, lol ++! |
| 11:10 | davi | slef? |
| 11:10 | wahanui | slef is probably an encyclopedia of FOSS knowledge |
| 11:10 | slef | I'm happy to point at the wiki page which includes details for the UK bid and take any questions, but most of my other questions are on the wiki or email. |
| 11:10 | joann | I understand that all sites really want to host it - but 2 are not going to be able to |
| 11:10 | isn't wahanui a robot? | |
| 11:11 | rangi | theres 4 in the mix now joann, so 3 will miss out |
| 11:11 | joann | do any wish to withdraw their bids? |
| 11:11 | but i guess not | |
| 11:11 | wasabi_love | the olde fashioned way. an IRC vote? |
| 11:11 | indradg | I can talk for the Kolkata, India bid |
| 11:11 | slef | I'd also be interested in whether people would prefer to be in the West Country or Edinburgh, in case we bid again for 2012. |
| 11:11 | joann | so we have to decide between 4 |
| 11:11 | slef | (the 2011 bid is West Country) |
| 11:11 | jcamins | joann: yes, I think wahanui used to be ibot. |
| 11:12 | kmkale | I woould be happy to answer any queries about VPM, Thane, Inia bid |
| 11:12 | joann | it thins slef is a genius (does slef control it I wonder?) |
| 11:12 | * indradg | would like to visit UK sometime :) |
| 11:12 | kmkale | s/Inia/India/ |
| 11:12 | * druthb | recuses. |
| 11:12 | gbengaadara | Could we do the FIFA way? Decide 2011 & 2012 |
| 11:12 | indradg | lol |
| 11:12 | thd | indradg: Do you have any insight into low air fare to India from the US? |
| 11:12 | wasabi_love | we voted via IRC for KohaCon2010, i think? |
| 11:12 | joann | i thought the kiwis just claimed it |
| 11:12 | :D | |
| 11:13 | indradg | thd, depends a bit on the port of departure |
| 11:13 | Albany, Newark usually has the lowest to India | |
| 11:13 | kf | joann: no, it stores facts |
| 11:13 | indradg | thd, ^^ |
| 11:13 | kmkale | Asia's never had it. So.. |
| 11:13 | SandeepBhavsar | US to India low fare $1100 |
| 11:14 | kmkale | SandeepBhavsar: for October? |
| 11:14 | rangi | no one from the nepal bid here? |
| 11:14 | joann | will have to be a vote of some sort I guess ... |
| 11:14 | SandeepBhavsar | ya its average |
| 11:14 | slef | kmkale: the UK's never had it either and the one in Paris was shorter/smaller IIRC. |
| 11:14 | SandeepBhavsar: where are you looking that up? | |
| 11:14 | joann | what he said |
| 11:14 | what slef said | |
| 11:14 | SandeepBhavsar | VPM Thane India |
| 11:15 | kmkale | slef: I said Asia. |
| 11:15 | Oak | bid Pakistan |
| 11:15 | slef | kmkale: ;-) |
| 11:15 | thd | Is there any reason that two options are Nov. - Dec. instead of Oct. - Nov. |
| 11:15 | ? | |
| 11:15 | Brooke_ | Pakistan is Nepal now, unless I missed something. Yes? |
| 11:15 | rangi | Oak: pakistan have withdrawn the bid, in favour of nepal |
| 11:15 | indradg | thd, the monsoons |
| 11:16 | joann | thats a good reason |
| 11:16 | indradg | thd, plus major festival season in india... ala christmas holidays |
| 11:16 | kmkale | For Mumbai, monsoon is over by september |
| 11:16 | thd | indradg: Are you in a monsoon free area in Thane? |
| 11:16 | jcamins | not_experiencing_a_monsoon++ |
| 11:16 | wasabi_love | Brooke_: yep, i think pakistan bid is withdrawn |
| 11:16 | indradg | thd, I'm in Calcutta |
| 11:17 | rangi | ok, so i think someone |
| 11:17 | kmkale | thd: I am in Thane and yes in Oct/Nov no monsoons in Mumbai |
| 11:17 | rangi | where someone is not me |
| 11:17 | has to figure out some way we are going to decide | |
| 11:17 | kmkale | plus there is Diwali season. So a most appropriate time to visit India |
| 11:17 | rangi | and since it takes a long time to organise |
| 11:17 | it needs to be done soon | |
| 11:17 | joann | are we of a mind to take a vote tonight? |
| 11:17 | given that it was clearly on the agenda? | |
| 11:17 | rangi | i dont think thats fair |
| 11:18 | irmaB | Political stability needs to be considered too |
| 11:18 | rangi | not a vote wasnt |
| 11:18 | KohaCon2011 Proposals location and dates discussion | |
| 11:18 | thd | Votes have should be announced. |
| 11:18 | joann | ok. |
| 11:18 | indradg | thd, ++1 |
| 11:18 | joann | well we should that then |
| 11:18 | davi | thd++ |
| 11:18 | thd | We should announce a vote at the next IRC meeting along with roles. |
| 11:18 | ColinC | Some folk are very pro Asia but its hard to judge between e.g. Mumbai or Nepal |
| 11:19 | joann | open voting like we did with set up og koha sub committee of hlt |
| 11:19 | tajoli | yes, vote on Koha2011 hould be announced. |
| 11:19 | rangi | wait til march to announce the vote? |
| 11:19 | kmkale | sooner the better |
| 11:19 | chris_n | +1 |
| 11:19 | rangi | thats cutting down the time to organise |
| 11:19 | Brooke_ | what why? |
| 11:19 | kf | 2 big votes in one meetnig might be a bit much |
| 11:19 | rangi | i think it should be announced sooner |
| 11:19 | Brooke_ | too bad |
| 11:19 | slef | I note that we're already a bit tight for nengard's wish of September. |
| 11:19 | wasabi_love | http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]al-td3355813.html |
| 11:19 | kf | and deciding for a time zone might be diffifult too |
| 11:19 | Brooke_ | no more stalling |
| 11:19 | indradg | voting in march |
| 11:19 | Brooke_ | folks have to move |
| 11:19 | tajoli | no, annunce the vote now, do the vote on march |
| 11:19 | Brooke_ | yeah |
| 11:19 | indradg | tajoli, ++ |
| 11:19 | joann | i think the agenda item made it clear that we would talk about kohacon2011 tonight, it implied decision time to me |
| 11:19 | thd | Announce now vote in March, exactly |
| 11:20 | indradg | yep |
| 11:20 | rangi | it said discussion |
| 11:20 | Brooke_ | March at the bloody latest |
| 11:20 | joann | not long for organisers |
| 11:20 | rangi | i put it on the agenda, and i certainly didnt mean decide tonight |
| 11:20 | joann | why not make a wiki page and people register their vote |
| 11:20 | kmkale | can we do it sooner than March? |
| 11:20 | Oak | thanks wasabi_love |
| 11:20 | thd | joann, we have that |
| 11:20 | joann | or make a google forms thingee and people can click on it anytime over next fortnight |
| 11:20 | thd | I voted twice :) |
| 11:20 | kf | we could have a separate meeting |
| 11:20 | gbengaadara | The earlier the host is known, the better |
| 11:20 | ColinC | Definitely make a decision re 2012 earlier than we did 2011 |
| 11:20 | indradg | joann, we already have that |
| 11:21 | thd | as did rangi |
| 11:21 | mle | ColinC ++ |
| 11:21 | joann | we have expresssions ofsupport - but is that a vote? |
| 11:21 | kf | so we would not have to vote for roles and kohacon at one date |
| 11:21 | nengard joined #koha | |
| 11:21 | Brooke_ | kf: if we did, let's make it sooner than march |
| 11:21 | joann | becuase on that basis its india already |
| 11:21 | rangi | yeah for 2010 we had decided in 2009 |
| 11:21 | tajoli | We can use the vote on the wiki, but we nedd an 'official' annunce, and a finish date |
| 11:21 | rangi | joann: which india, there are 2 |
| 11:21 | joann | the one with the most 'votes' |
| 11:21 | but i voted 'voted' twice as did brooke and maybe chris | |
| 11:22 | Brooke_ | MMP ftw |
| 11:22 | kf | I think vote must be started anew |
| 11:22 | nengard is now known as Nicole | |
| 11:22 | tajoli | Probably best one vote for person |
| 11:22 | joann | yes. |
| 11:22 | indradg | joann, rangi I've voted for both thane and kolkata :) |
| 11:22 | rangi | yes, becuase that wsnt a vote |
| 11:22 | Brooke_ | I agree with one vote |
| 11:22 | joann | and lets do it asap |
| 11:22 | indradg | ++ |
| 11:22 | Nicole is now known as nengard | |
| 11:22 | Brooke_ | how about Valentine's Day? |
| 11:22 | tajoli | because lotation is strictly connect with personal situation |
| 11:22 | Brooke_ | Vote for your sweetheart for conference :) |
| 11:22 | * nengard | Nicole C Engard, Doc Manager (late arrival) |
| 11:23 | jcamins | Brooke_: do we have to send chocolate? |
| 11:23 | Brooke_ | yes to gmcharlt. |
| 11:23 | kmkale | Umm people have put in their name on wiki with the impression that its a vote |
| 11:23 | the page says so | |
| 11:23 | rangi | the page says show your support |
| 11:23 | and the email i sent when i made that table | |
| 11:24 | * chris_n | must go now |
| 11:24 | Brooke_ | does two weeks *not* work for anyone? |
| 11:24 | kmkale | Anyway if we arrange a vote lets make it so that it does not involve wiki edits ;) |
| 11:24 | * Brooke_ | wants to see this sorted so organisers can get a move on. |
| 11:24 | indradg | Brooke_, to organise a voting? |
| 11:24 | Brooke_ | no |
| 11:24 | not to organise | |
| 11:24 | to ACTUALLY | |
| 11:24 | kf | who is allowed to vote? |
| 11:24 | davi | no wiki edits for voting++ |
| 11:24 | joann | i find it incredibly sad that we have 2 opposing bids from india |
| 11:25 | kf | in irc everyone has a vote - but there are also institutions on the wiki |
| 11:25 | joann | so is it 1 vote per person |
| 11:25 | or per institution? | |
| 11:25 | rangi | Ive taken a crack at tidying the page |
| 11:25 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Con2011_Proposals | |
| 11:25 | And a way to register support, I do agree with Bob that we should call | |
| 11:25 | a vote at a meeting on irc, so I don't propose this poll is binding, | |
| 11:25 | but just an indicative way to show support, hence I have listed | |
| 11:25 | support for 2. | |
| 11:25 | Brooke_ | +1 1 vote a person |
| 11:25 | joann | lets sort that point out first |
| 11:25 | SandeepBhavsar | yes i think per institution is ok |
| 11:25 | irmaB | Is the UK out? |
| 11:25 | Brooke_ | no institution votes |
| 11:25 | tajoli | No |
| 11:25 | Brooke_ | that way no one gets 2 votes. |
| 11:25 | tajoli | I strongly support UK |
| 11:26 | nengard | me too |
| 11:26 | kf | irc_vote++ |
| 11:26 | tajoli | much cheper for me |
| 11:26 | slef | irmaB: I'm still here. All the questions seem to be about the Asian bids, though. |
| 11:26 | joann | UK is still in |
| 11:26 | davi | +1 one person one vote |
| 11:26 | slef | Did I miss any question? |
| 11:26 | kf | UK++ |
| 11:26 | gbengaadara | UK++ |
| 11:26 | nengard | i'd like to see the vote on a voting application of sorts - not irc and not wiki - lots of librarians still scared of irc |
| 11:26 | slef | nengard++ |
| 11:26 | indradg | nengard, ++ |
| 11:27 | joann | wondering about 1 vote per person or per institution |
| 11:27 | nengard | we can use google forms again like we did for conference registration |
| 11:27 | or some other app | |
| 11:27 | joann | that worked well |
| 11:27 | Brooke_ | per person, plox |
| 11:27 | gbengaadara | nengard, ++ |
| 11:27 | * Brooke_ | is homeless. |
| 11:27 | druthb | people are attending, not institutions. |
| 11:27 | kf | does google forms need registration? |
| 11:27 | nengard | no |
| 11:27 | jwagner | agreed per person |
| 11:27 | liw | rangi, I'll point out to you that ikiwiki has a sort of polling thing, not particularly safe against abuse though |
| 11:27 | slef | I don't mind IRC voting as well. I'm also tempted to say it should ask "I would attend KohaCon in ..." rather than simply asking for support. |
| 11:27 | nengard | right |
| 11:27 | thd | People vote and institutions are not people no matter how the law defines institutions for some purposes. |
| 11:27 | joann | so 1 person per vote - lets do the +1 thing |
| 11:28 | nengard | slef++ |
| 11:28 | joann | +1 |
| 11:28 | Brooke_ | +1 |
| 11:28 | slef | Not as something to hold people to, but because the successful thing is a popular kohacon. |
| 11:28 | kf | +1 |
| 11:28 | druthb | +1 |
| 11:28 | nengard | +1 |
| 11:28 | thd | +1 |
| 11:28 | davi | slef++ |
| 11:28 | jwagner | +1 |
| 11:28 | ColinC | +1 |
| 11:28 | Nate_ | +1 |
| 11:28 | indradg | +1 |
| 11:28 | tajoli | +1 |
| 11:28 | slef | If one of the other bids can please more people, it should win. |
| 11:28 | davi | ask "I would attend KohaCon in ..." rather than simply asking for support |
| 11:28 | joann | ok - 1 vote 1 person |
| 11:28 | and i like slefs suggestion | |
| 11:29 | * Brooke_ | has always taken it that way. |
| 11:29 | irmaB | "I would attend KohaCon in ..." rather than simply asking for support. ++ |
| 11:29 | +1 | |
| 11:29 | wasabi_love | +1 |
| 11:29 | nengard | +1 |
| 11:29 | Brooke_ | so nengard |
| 11:29 | indradg | irmaB, ++ |
| 11:29 | Brooke_ | if not IRC |
| 11:29 | joann | +1 |
| 11:29 | Brooke_ | are you willing to tally ballots sent to you? |
| 11:29 | slef | Maybe post-conference if 3012 people expressed interest in attending but only 3 did, we can ask why more usefully. |
| 11:29 | kf | I_would_attend..++ |
| 11:29 | indradg | nengard, for the election office |
| 11:30 | rangi | :) |
| 11:30 | nengard | ?? |
| 11:30 | indradg | officer |
| 11:30 | nengard | oh - yes i'll tally them |
| 11:30 | joann | "i would NOT attend if it was held in x " has merit too |
| 11:30 | nengard | i'll put a form up if you want |
| 11:30 | chris_n left #koha | |
| 11:30 | kf | joann++ |
| 11:30 | druthb | you've been drafted for Election Judge, nengard. :P |
| 11:30 | joann | we are not going to make everyone happy |
| 11:30 | Brooke_ | right |
| 11:30 | no hard feelings implied | |
| 11:30 | thd | How are we going to count the votes? |
| 11:31 | nengard | 2 questions per location - so a 6 question form |
| 11:31 | Brooke_ | there is always next time |
| 11:31 | indradg | yep |
| 11:31 | nengard | thd i put a form up |
| 11:31 | slef | joann: mmm, not sure. I think a comments box asking if+why any of the venues was difficult for them to say they'd attend. |
| 11:31 | nengard | and then share the resulting csv file |
| 11:31 | wasabi_love | nengard: what was the voting/polling website you used previously? |
| 11:31 | slef | wasabi_love: limesurvey IIRC? |
| 11:31 | nengard | oh! yes I can use that too if you want |
| 11:31 | kmkale | by when? |
| 11:31 | thd | nengard: How do we decide which wins? |
| 11:31 | nengard | um ... most votes? |
| 11:31 | slef | doodle and google also work reasonably well |
| 11:31 | wasabi_love | ah, cheers slef, |
| 11:32 | nengard | i'm okay with doodle or google - you all tell me where and i'll set it up today |
| 11:32 | thd | nengard: plurality voting? |
| 11:32 | slef | software.coop have a survey website we can use, but that's a conflict of interest |
| 11:32 | kf | nengard: if we have positive andn egative votes we have to do some sort of calculation |
| 11:32 | wasabi_love | would limesurvey work for the kohacon2011 voting? |
| 11:32 | kf | limesurvey++ |
| 11:32 | nengard | i'm agreeing to put the vote together - not make the final decision based on the poll |
| 11:32 | wasabi_love yes | |
| 11:32 | kmkale | lets have simple questions |
| 11:33 | thd | nengard: what if more people prefer some place in Asia but divide their vote between options? |
| 11:33 | Brooke_ | oh c'mon |
| 11:33 | kmkale | not +ve and -ve ones. |
| 11:33 | Brooke_ | no dividing votes |
| 11:33 | no funny business | |
| 11:33 | one vote | |
| 11:33 | nengard | :) |
| 11:33 | Brooke_ | one person |
| 11:33 | one site | |
| 11:33 | grow a spine | |
| 11:33 | sorry | |
| 11:33 | kmkale | go Brooke_ |
| 11:33 | joann | if too many people will not attend place x, that number could be greater than x getting most yes votes )if yes votes are split) |
| 11:33 | rangi | i dont think we mix |
| 11:33 | Brooke_ | we can organise MMPish voting *next* conference |
| 11:33 | slef | I'd have one person, as many sites as you would visit. |
| 11:33 | rangi | why make our lives complicated |
| 11:34 | gbengaadara | one man, one vote -current slogan here in Nigeria :) |
| 11:34 | Brooke_ | it will take too bloody long this go round |
| 11:34 | slef | But again, I've a conflict of interest :) |
| 11:34 | nengard | okay here is my proposal - +1 is you approve - set up limesurvey with 7 questions: 1. email address (for preventing dups) #1-#3 I will attend if koha con is in XYZ #4-#7 I will not attend if kohacon is in XYZ |
| 11:34 | joann | no - it sknown |
| 11:34 | rangi | just vote for where you would go |
| 11:34 | davi | one person, as many sites as you would visit++ |
| 11:34 | nengard | rngi i'm okay with that too |
| 11:34 | joann | yep - i think nicoles suggestion too hard |
| 11:34 | thd | Brooke_ divided vote is when most people prefer something other than X but X wins in plurality because most people voted for Y or Z. |
| 11:34 | kmkale | no -ve questions please |
| 11:34 | nengard | joann - that was your suggestion! :) hehe |
| 11:35 | you said we should ask where peopel won't go | |
| 11:35 | gbengaadara | i can go to india or uk. just prefer UK |
| 11:35 | joann | i know - ive changed my mind |
| 11:35 | indradg | nengard, I'll be attending the next Kohacon wherever it may be held... so is not answering (i wont attend) can be an option? |
| 11:35 | davi | one person one vote, as many sites as you would visit & as many sites you will not visit ++ |
| 11:35 | joann | what about : ranking them 1-4 and less points wins |
| 11:35 | thd | indradg++ |
| 11:35 | gbengaadara | But will attend India too if she wins |
| 11:35 | rangi | omg |
| 11:36 | nengard | okay so 4 question - email and where will you go - should we do like they do on code4lib and let people rank them? |
| 11:36 | rangi | how about, just vote for the places yuo would go to |
| 11:36 | thd | joann++ |
| 11:36 | kmkale | one vote ++ |
| 11:36 | rangi | if you would go to them all, just vote for the one you like the best |
| 11:36 | indradg | rangi, ++ KISS works |
| 11:36 | nengard | rangi++ |
| 11:36 | thd | I think that ranking is the simplest for now. |
| 11:36 | joann | so: 1 vote for your favourite place. |
| 11:36 | * rangi | is tired and wants to go to bed |
| 11:36 | joann | me too .. |
| 11:36 | nengard | i'll do whatever the most of you want |
| 11:36 | i'm not particular | |
| 11:36 | rangi | cna we end the meeting and people can keep talking about voting systems when im sleeping |
| 11:37 | davi | rank as much locations as you want ++ |
| 11:37 | Brooke_ | you're the chair, dear. |
| 11:37 | irmaB | me too |
| 11:37 | kf | 1 vote favourite place |
| 11:37 | joann | l1 favorite place |
| 11:37 | thd | rangi: Call the question on ranking votes as we did for the foundation |
| 11:37 | joann | 1 favaorite place |
| 11:37 | rangi | im not calling nothing |
| 11:37 | slef | joann++ |
| 11:38 | thd | OK |
| 11:38 | davi | rank++ |
| 11:38 | as we did for the foundation | |
| 11:38 | kf | a vote about the vote? seriously? ;) |
| 11:38 | joann | so choices are: A: rank or B: 1 favorite place |
| 11:38 | thd | I propose that we rank votes as we had done for the foundation. |
| 11:38 | indradg | kf, :) |
| 11:38 | irmaB | BobB says voting implies intention to attend! |
| 11:38 | Brooke_ | B++ |
| 11:38 | davi | A++ |
| 11:38 | kmkale | B++ |
| 11:38 | slef | irmaB: not sure everyone sees it like that. Sock-puppets are popular on teh interweb. |
| 11:38 | tajoli | B+ |
| 11:39 | joann | A++ |
| 11:39 | thd | A+ |
| 11:39 | AG left #koha | |
| 11:39 | jwagner | B+ |
| 11:39 | wasabi_love | A++ |
| 11:39 | nengard | A++ |
| 11:39 | druthb | A++ |
| 11:39 | slef | 0 |
| 11:39 | kf | 0 |
| 11:39 | irmaB | B+ |
| 11:39 | gbengaadara | A+ |
| 11:39 | joann | (oh come on slef - you always have an opinion :D |
| 11:39 | thd | :) |
| 11:40 | wasabi_love | ha |
| 11:40 | Oak | "favorite place" ? that's how we are going to choose the location... |
| 11:40 | slef | joann: yes, but introducing a third option doesn't help rangi get to sleep. |
| 11:40 | thd | slef wants score voting which I do too but it is too complicated to decide now. |
| 11:40 | joann | so B=5 A=7 |
| 11:40 | rangi | can we move on to the meeting time for march, then the discusssion can continue after |
| 11:40 | ricardo joined #koha | |
| 11:40 | nengard | i'm putting two polls up and you can all tell me which you like and which is the official |
| 11:40 | :) | |
| 11:41 | wasabi_love | rank it is.. |
| 11:41 | rangi | heres what i propose |
| 11:41 | kmkale | nengard: that will delay |
| 11:41 | joann | rank it is |
| 11:41 | nengard | k rant it is |
| 11:41 | rangi | im gonna do the call for meeting timgs |
| 11:41 | davi | rank it is |
| 11:41 | mirbolt joined #koha | |
| 11:41 | rangi | then im gonna end this meeting |
| 11:41 | slef | rant? That's my sort of vote! |
| 11:41 | nengard | LOL - rank :) |
| 11:41 | rangi | and someone can do #startmeeting |
| 11:41 | indradg | slef, like++ |
| 11:41 | rangi | and continue on the voting |
| 11:41 | nengard | i think a vote has been made |
| 11:41 | we're done | |
| 11:41 | Brooke_ | yep |
| 11:41 | nengard | next meeting? |
| 11:42 | rangi | thank god |
| 11:42 | we make our lives harder than they need to be a lot of the time | |
| 11:42 | kmkale | how about fixing a date for end of poll? |
| 11:42 | thd | Is there a start and end date for the vote? |
| 11:42 | rangi | #topic next meeting time |
| 11:42 | Topic for #koha is now next meeting time | |
| 11:42 | thd | kmkale++ |
| 11:42 | kmkale | plz lets decide the dates now |
| 11:42 | slef | thd: I propose we delegate that to nengard :) |
| 11:42 | kf | nicole will make a suggestion for the dates? |
| 11:43 | sekjal_ joined #koha | |
| 11:43 | nengard | 2 weeks |
| 11:43 | kf | hi sekjal |
| 11:43 | slef | next meeting time! |
| 11:43 | kf | nicole++ |
| 11:43 | kmkale | 2 weeks is good |
| 11:43 | indradg | nengard, ++ |
| 11:43 | rangi | i propose 2nd march |
| 11:43 | * sekjal_ | hates VPN |
| 11:43 | thd | I am happy to delegate to nengard and let rangi and joann sleep. |
| 11:43 | kf | first week of march would be great for me |
| 11:43 | nengard | 2nd march++ |
| 11:43 | kf | but not to decide |
| 11:43 | davi | 2nd march++ |
| 11:44 | rangi | what time? |
| 11:44 | wahanui | time is a scary thing |
| 11:44 | kmkale | 2nd march as the date of next irc meeting? |
| 11:44 | rangi | yes |
| 11:44 | nengard | rangi is asking for a vote on the next meeting i think |
| 11:44 | kf | 2nd march++ (my birthday :) ) |
| 11:44 | kmkale | :) |
| 11:44 | indradg | =! |
| 11:44 | Brooke_ | voting on Conference to close via email by mid Feb? |
| 11:44 | actual votes | |
| 11:44 | indradg | kf, cheerio |
| 11:44 | thd | +1 |
| 11:44 | slef | indradg: kmkale: is now or +12h better for your timezone? |
| 11:44 | thd | +1 2nd March |
| 11:44 | joann | goodnight all |
| 11:45 | kmkale | Brooke_: 2 weeks fro the day nengard puts up a form and posts to the lists |
| 11:45 | ricardo | Hi all. Yes, for me it can be also be on 2nd March (I'm sorry that I couldn't atttend the meeting today. I can't see logbot here... Has any bot / one logged this meeting?) |
| 11:45 | indradg | slef, anything works |
| 11:45 | rangi | is here |
| 11:45 | ricardo | Ah... Sorry. There's logbot |
| 11:45 | rangi: Right | |
| 11:45 | kf | ricardo: there is log, the bot will tell the link soon |
| 11:45 | kmkale | slef: ? |
| 11:46 | slef | kmkale: which time is better for your area? 10:00+0000 or 22:00+0000? |
| 11:46 | kmkale | now |
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| 11:46 | kmkale | 10:00+0000 |
| 11:46 | slef | I'm thinking there may be questions need asking after the kohacon vote is settled. |
| 11:46 | kmkale | 22:00+0000 is 3.30 am |
| 11:47 | davi | So Next IRC Meeting = 2nd march 10:00+0000 ? |
| 11:47 | irmaB | Have a good day/night all! Bye |
| 11:47 | wasabi_love | davi++ |
| 11:47 | kmkale | 2nd march 10:00+0000 ++ |
| 11:47 | ricardo | davi++ |
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| 11:47 | rangi | that makes it stupid oclock |
| 11:47 | for usa | |
| 11:47 | 2 months in a row | |
| 11:47 | * Brooke_ | can live with stupid oclock twice in a row |
| 11:48 | Brooke_ | can't speak for the rest of us though |
| 11:48 | kf | hm, we have the 3.6 roles next meeting |
| 11:48 | thd | +1 anytime |
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| 11:48 | ricardo | rangi: Speaking for myself, I don't mind having the meeting at another time :) |
| 11:48 | davi | neither me |
| 11:49 | * jcamins | can't really speak at all this early in the morning. But provided April is a different time, I can deal with next month being at 5am again. |
| 11:49 | nengard | LOL @ "stupid oclock" |
| 11:49 | davi | Just trying to set a date |
| 11:49 | slef | other option is 22:00+0000 (as usual?) with a kohacon meeting at 10:00+0000 some day? |
| 11:49 | indradg | rangi, we should keep rotating the meeting time the way we are doing |
| 11:49 | rangi | 18:00 utc? |
| 11:49 | thats 7am nz time | |
| 11:49 | sekjal_ is now known as sekjal | |
| 11:49 | gbengaadara | indradg: +1 |
| 11:49 | slef | oh it's 18:00 |
| 11:49 | kf | good for europe then too - 7pm |
| 11:49 | kmkale | 1800UTC is good too |
| 11:49 | rangi | 7pm for uk |
| 11:49 | slef | kf: no, 6pm |
| 11:50 | rangi | that ok? |
| 11:50 | slef | kf: sorry, 8pm CEST/MESZ |
| 11:50 | kf | whatever |
| 11:50 | time_zones-- | |
| 11:50 | kmkale | 1800UTC is 23.30 India |
| 11:50 | ricardo | rangi: For Portuguese people, like myself (and other European like kf has just said) 7 PM UTC is a good time |
| 11:50 | rangi | whats 1800 utc in usa? |
| 11:50 | kf | civil time in the evening |
| 11:50 | thd | +1 1800UTC |
| 11:50 | slef | rangi: up to 1300 |
| 11:50 | davi | +1 1800UTC |
| 11:50 | jcamins | 1300, maybe? |
| 11:50 | slef | s/up to/around/ |
| 11:50 | sekjal | rangi: 1800 UTC is good for the US, all around |
| 11:50 | rangi | thats 2am nz |
| 11:51 | i wont be ther efor that :) | |
| 11:51 | gbengaadara | Hard to get convenient time for everyone. Why not just rotate? |
| 11:51 | slef | US and AU hog multiple timezones |
| 11:51 | rangi | thats what we have been doing |
| 11:51 | 10 utc this time | |
| 11:51 | davi | Can we agree something? |
| 11:51 | kf | davi++ |
| 11:51 | slef | davi++ |
| 11:51 | 18++ | |
| 11:51 | gbengaadara | then 22 utc next |
| 11:51 | rangi | i vote 18 utc |
| 11:51 | jwagner | +1 1800UTC |
| 11:51 | kf | 18++ |
| 11:52 | davi | 18++ |
| 11:52 | ricardo | 18 H UTC ++ |
| 11:52 | wasabi_love | 18++ |
| 11:52 | slef | next time, let's boot rangi out of the chair when he gets tired ;-) |
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| 11:52 | ricardo | slef: LOL! |
| 11:52 | rangi | i was tryuing to do that |
| 11:52 | kf | make an action and end meeting :) |
| 11:53 | gbengaadara | 18.00 UTC. 19:00 Lagos ++ |
| 11:53 | rangi | but you guys wouldnt be quiet long enough for me to do endmeeting |
| 11:53 | sekjal | 18:00 ++ |
| 11:53 | rangi | which is the only way someone else can become chair |
| 11:53 | * jwagner | deploys Cone of Silence |
| 11:53 | thd | :) |
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| 11:53 | * mle | gives jwagner 10xp |
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| 11:54 | rangi | #agreed next meeting march 2 18:00UTC |
| 11:54 | kmkale | oops |
| 11:54 | rangi | #endmeeting |
| 11:54 | Topic for #koha is now Next IRC meeting 2 Feb. 2011 10:00 UTC+0 - Koha - http://koha-community.org - this channel is logged, pastes at http://paste.koha-community.org | |
| 11:54 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Feb 2 11:57:18 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 11:54 | Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]-02-02-10.00.html | |
| 11:54 | Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]1-02-02-10.00.txt | |
| 11:54 | Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]02-10.00.log.html | |
| 11:54 | rangi | right, someone else can do #startmeeting |
| 11:54 | if they want the meeting bot to log :) | |
| 11:54 | Brooke_ | pfft |
| 11:54 | we're done | |
| 11:54 | ricardo | huginn ++ ;-) |
| 11:54 | huginn | ricardo: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 11:54 | kf | lunch now |
| 11:54 | ricardo | LOL |
| 11:55 | slef | kf: sorry, you were right. I got confused with people talking about April, which will be after MEZ/MESZ change. |
| 11:55 | indradg | er.. when is the next meeting then? |
| 11:55 | kmkale | who can tell me more about TT implecations on WIP? |
| 11:55 | indradg: next meeting march 2 18:00UTC | |
| 11:55 | kf | slef: I was not sure when the time change will happen - confusing time zones a lot |
| 11:55 | slef: thought meeting today was at 11pm... | |
| 11:55 | slef | kmkale: requires any tmpl changes to be converted |
| 11:55 | kf | good that I had the window open |
| 11:55 | indradg | kmkale, look at the /topic |
| 11:55 | rangi | theres a script for that |
| 11:55 | indradg | :( |
| 11:55 | slef | kf: last Sunday of March and October. |
| 11:56 | indradg | kmkale, oops.. never mind |
| 11:56 | Topic for #koha is now Next IRC meeting 2 Mar. 2011 18:00 UTC+0 - Koha - http://koha-community.org - this channel is logged, pastes at http://paste.koha-community.org | |
| 11:56 | rangi | to convert templates, eventually ill stop accepting patches in h::t::p |
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| 11:56 | rangi | but i wont make people redo what they have done |
| 11:56 | kf is now known as kf_lunch | |
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| 11:57 | rangi | but woe be upon you if you start something after the cutover :-) |
| 11:57 | kmkale | rangi: when is that? |
| 11:57 | jcamins | rangi: go to sleep. |
| 11:57 | rangi | when its finished |
| 11:57 | ill give a week or 2 warning | |
| 11:57 | kmkale | :) |
| 11:57 | rangi | but anything in progress |
| 11:58 | just finish, ill deal with converting it to tt, or show you how to | |
| 11:58 | kmkale | how do I test your work with TT? |
| 11:58 | rangi | email the devel list |
| 11:58 | and ill answer you in the morning | |
| 11:58 | or ask kf | |
| 11:58 | kmkale | cool |
| 11:58 | good night rangi | |
| 11:58 | * rangi | goes to bed |
| 11:58 | rangi | (have to be up in 5 hours :() |
| 11:59 | sekjal | rangi: I hear you... just did that, myself |
| 12:00 | but, the car is unburied, and I didn't get frostbite! | |
| 12:00 | thd | slef: note my most recent message about score voting. |
| 12:01 | ricardo | rangi: Thanks and sleep well! :) |
| 12:01 | slef | thd: I saw it, didn't really understand it, replying in that thread is still on my plan. |
| 12:01 | biab | |
| 12:01 | thd | slef: That is a dull tedious message. |
| 12:02 | slef: The short exciting message is still coming.. | |
| 12:02 | ricardo | Ah great... The nick "ricardo" is already registered here in OFTC by someone else, although it hasn't been used in 6 years :( |
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| 12:04 | thd | ricardo: How do I register my nick? |
| 12:04 | ricardo | thd: With NICKSERV commands :) Write /nickserv help register |
| 12:06 | ricardo is now known as ricmarques | |
| 12:07 | nengard | okay all who are still here - I have finished a vote - it asks for email and then to rank the 4 proposals - if that's okay give me a +1 and I'll send it out to all via email |
| 12:08 | if you won't attend somewhere you don't have to rank that location | |
| 12:08 | kmkale | +1 |
| 12:08 | jcamins | +1 |
| 12:09 | Oak | +a |
| 12:09 | +1 | |
| 12:09 | nengard | :) |
| 12:09 | jwagner | +1 I guess (still prefer straight count, but ....) |
| 12:09 | kmkale | me too (still prefer straight count, but ....) |
| 12:09 | gbengaadara | +1 |
| 12:10 | thd | where is it nengard? |
| 12:10 | Oak | nengard, you will send using the mailing list ? |
| 12:10 | nengard | didn't publish it |
| 12:10 | yet | |
| 12:10 | if i publish people will start voting and i didn't want that until you said okay | |
| 12:10 | and i did a rank because we got more votes for a rank than we did a straight count | |
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| 12:10 | thd | nengard Should it not also ask for a name? |
| 12:10 | nengard | i can add that :) |
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| 12:12 | kmkale | nengard: name of institute represented too is possible |
| 12:12 | jwagner | nengard, yes, I know the rank won the vote, I am just fighting a rearguard action :-) |
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| 12:14 | nengard | added name and institution (the latter is not required) |
| 12:14 | ricmarques | I have to go lunch now. Take care everyone! :) |
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| 12:29 | kmkale is now known as kmkale_a | |
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| 12:32 | Oak | thanks nengard, got the mail |
| 12:32 | about Vote for KohaCon 2011 | |
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| 12:41 | kf | REGISTER |
| 12:42 | jcamins | Does scp-ing a git repository work? |
| 12:42 | druthb | it should, yes. |
| 12:43 | jcamins | Good. |
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| 12:43 | kf | ok, can someone tell me how to register my nick? |
| 12:43 | and please don't refer to the nickserv helpp... because I have it open | |
| 12:43 | thd | kf: Yes I just did it. |
| 12:43 | jcamins | kf: I managed to earlier, but I've forgotten how. |
| 12:44 | * Brooke_ | might revert to an old handle. |
| 12:44 | Brooke_ | I hate this underscore. |
| 12:44 | kf | you could try a dot... ;) |
| 12:44 | thd: so what is the right command structure? :) | |
| 12:44 | thd | kf: type /NICKSERV REGISTER YourPassword youemail |
| 12:45 | kf | ok will try |
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| 12:45 | kf | unbekanntes kommando = unknown command :( |
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| 12:46 | jwagner | kf, that syntax worked for me |
| 12:46 | kf | the nick is invalid? |
| 12:46 | thd | kf: did you start with /NICKSERV ? |
| 12:46 | kf | I wrote it lowercase now |
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| 12:46 | kf | and got a window from nickserv |
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| 12:46 | kf | : (notice) The nick you are trying to register is invalid, please choose another nick to |
| 12:47 | thd | kf: I choose mine because the letter combination is unlikely to be taken already. |
| 12:48 | s/choose/chose/ | |
| 12:48 | kf | too short? |
| 12:48 | is the nick to short for registration | |
| 12:48 | ? | |
| 12:48 | thd | kf: I think that may be your problem |
| 12:48 | jcamins | That was going to be my guess. |
| 12:48 | kf is now known as kfischer | |
| 12:49 | kfischer | yeah, that worked |
| 12:49 | kfischer is now known as cait | |
| 12:50 | cait | ok, could be worse |
| 12:50 | cait and kfischer then | |
| 12:50 | cait is now known as kfischer | |
| 12:50 | kfischer | feels strange |
| 12:50 | kfischer is now known as kf | |
| 12:51 | druthb | :) |
| 12:51 | jwagner | Can we sue OFTC for causing multiple personality disorders??? |
| 12:52 | druthb | mine predates OFTC, so probably not. |
| 12:52 | druthb is now known as jdavidb | |
| 12:52 | jdavidb | ...talk about feeling strange.... |
| 12:52 | jdavidb is now known as druthb | |
| 12:52 | chris_n is now known as Guest2465 | |
| 12:52 | jcamins | Was druthb already taken? |
| 12:53 | druthb | nope. :) I registered it. |
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| 12:55 | jcamins | If I set mail delivery on koha-patches to disabled, will I still be able to submit patches? |
| 12:58 | wasabi_love | yes |
| 12:58 | jcamins | Good. |
| 12:58 | wasabi_love | you just wont get emails from that mailing-list |
| 12:59 | jcamins | Excellent. |
| 12:59 | wasabi_love | afaik |
| 12:59 | jcamins | I get e-mails on a different address. |
| 12:59 | But git send-email not working is annoying. | |
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| 13:06 | register is now known as list | |
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| 13:10 | list is now known as register | |
| 13:11 | register is now known as list | |
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| 13:11 | kf | thd: thx for your help - sorry got distracted earlier |
| 13:11 | oleonard | Apologies for missing the meeting everyone |
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| 13:12 | thd | Your welcome kf |
| 13:12 | nengard | is there a way to set it so that you don't have to /identify everytime you log in? |
| 13:12 | oleonard | nengard your IRC client may have a way to automatically do it |
| 13:12 | kf | not sure, but perhaps you can in your irc client |
| 13:13 | oleonard | Chatzilla does it for me |
| 13:13 | kf | provide the password there |
| 13:13 | nengard | thanks oleonard - i'll find that option |
| 13:13 | kf | oleonard++ |
| 13:13 | jcamins | nengard: I think you use Adium, and Adium will do it automatically for you. |
| 13:13 | thd | kf: later when identifying type /NICKSERV IDENTIFY YourPassword |
| 13:13 | kf | thd: figured that out :) |
| 13:14 | thd | Does anyone know how to automatically identify in XChat? |
| 13:14 | nengard | i don't use adium - i use xhat and i found the option - gonna log off and log in and see if it works |
| 13:14 | jcamins | nengard: oh, well, good. |
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| 13:15 | nengard | hmmmm ... not sure that worked |
| 13:16 | thd | nengard: I have been using XChat for 6 years and not succeeded at automatic identification on freenode. |
| 13:16 | nengard | bleh |
| 13:16 | i use adium for other chats - but i don't like irc in adium so that's why i use xhat | |
| 13:16 | liw | I've not had problems with automatic identification on freenode with xchat |
| 13:17 | * chris_n | attempts to wrestle bip into submission... again :P |
| 13:17 | thd | nengard: Is that xhat and not xchat? |
| 13:17 | * jwagner | suggests bopping bip? |
| 13:17 | chris_n | lol |
| 13:18 | * druthb | be-bops, just because. |
| 13:18 | thd | jwagner: I use XChat via bip do you have automatic identification working in bip? |
| 13:18 | jwagner | thd, I don't even know what bib (or xchat) is.... |
| 13:19 | chris_n | thd: I do as well and it seems oftc may be doing things differently |
| 13:19 | config which works on freenode and katipo does not here | |
| 13:19 | liw | thd, I use bip+xchat, works fine for me |
| 13:19 | * jcamins | uses irssi. |
| 13:19 | thd | liw: What do you do for automatic identification? |
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| 13:20 | * chris_n | does 'on_connect_send = "PRIVMSG NickServ :IDENTIFY secretfoo' |
| 13:21 | chris_n | in the connection block |
| 13:21 | thd | chris_n: You use that in bip? |
| 13:21 | chris_n | yup |
| 13:21 | * jcamins | is pretty sure that irssi just did it for him without any configuration at all. Weird. |
| 13:22 | thd | chris_n: I think my problem is that I always start out as thd_away which is not registered. |
| 13:22 | liw | http://paste.debian.net/106300/ |
| 13:22 | chris_n | ahh... maybe |
| 13:23 | liw | seems like oftc's nickserv and freenode's nickserv have nick and password in different order |
| 13:23 | chris_n | ahh |
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| 13:23 | * chris_n | runs off to try that |
| 13:23 | liw | the url above is my bip redacted bip config, please notify me if I forgot to remove some password |
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| 13:23 | * gmcharlt | corrects the record |
| 13:24 | gmcharlt | I am not, in fact, 2011 years old |
| 13:24 | kmkale_a is now known as kmkale | |
| 13:24 | chris_n | >snicker< |
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| 13:24 | Brooke_ | thank ye |
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| 13:24 | Brooke_ | chris apparently is. Little wanker didn't correct that part of his. |
| 13:25 | chris_n | liw++ # <NickServ> 08:27:51> You are successfully identified as chris_n. |
| 13:25 | Brooke_ | oi! |
| 13:26 | you can't just *remove* the birth date information. | |
| 13:26 | * Brooke_ | slaps the back of Galen's hand. |
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| 13:26 | Brooke_ | removing a feature is not *fixing* the problem. |
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| 13:26 | jwagner | Where is all this birth date info? |
| 13:28 | Brooke_ | oh ho |
| 13:28 | he put his in | |
| 13:28 | nengard | anyone know who's spamming the #koha feed on twitter? |
| 13:28 | * Brooke_ | retracts the little wanker statement. |
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| 13:29 | gmcharlt | nengard: looks like a bonafide newspaper |
| 13:29 | chris_n | fixed |
| 13:29 | nengard | and all those articles are about koha? |
| 13:30 | gmcharlt | Koha is the name of the paper |
| 13:32 | nengard | oh no!! |
| 13:32 | Brooke_ | there can be more than one gift in the world |
| 13:32 | nengard | if i block the paper do you think they'll be hidden from my feed? |
| 13:32 | gonna try that | |
| 13:32 | cause i can't find any of the #koha news I care about | |
| 13:33 | thd is now known as thd-away | |
| 13:33 | nengard | Brooke_ we had #koha first on twitter!! :) |
| 13:33 | jcamins | nengard: no. |
| 13:33 | nengard | yeah i know |
| 13:33 | that club had it first | |
| 13:33 | Brooke_ | nengard: do you have title insurance? |
| 13:33 | gmcharlt | Brooke_: I'm tweaking the infobox to add a microblog tag for twitter/identica etc |
| 13:33 | nengard | just throwing a mini-tantrum |
| 13:34 | Brooke_ | gmcharlt++ |
| 13:34 | nengard | woo hoo - blocking worked |
| 13:34 | jcamins | Brooke_: isn't title insurance only applicable to cars? |
| 13:34 | nengard | and Brooke_ what kind of title insurance? got it on my house :) hehe |
| 13:34 | jcamins | nengard: really? It didn't for me. |
| 13:34 | nengard | hmmmm |
| 13:34 | jcamins you're right - it hid them when I clicked block but now that i rerun the search they're back | |
| 13:35 | jcamins | I'm probably just using Twitter wrong. |
| 13:35 | Oh well. | |
| 13:35 | Oh, drat. I would've preferred if it worked for everyone else. | |
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| 13:36 | nengard | hmmmm |
| 13:37 | gmcharlt | nengard: we can also do #kohails or #kohalms or something if need be |
| 13:37 | kf | we could try to spam them with koha news until they rename the paper? ;) |
| 13:38 | nengard | gmcharlt yeah, i think that's gonna have to be the trick, just that everyone has gotten used to #koha |
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| 13:55 | nengard | is the z search in acq different from the one in cataloging? I have a report that the acq z search is pulling in 952 fields but i've never seen the cataloging one do that |
| 13:56 | kf | nengard: the forms are differnt - I added some missing options. And you can define a framework- not sure about other differences |
| 14:03 | slef | kf: koha jone or another one? |
| 14:05 | jcamins | nengard: I just realized what it is. |
| 14:05 | OCLC. | |
| 14:06 | nengard | oh!!!!!!!! |
| 14:06 | jcamins | I remember deleting those fields at Princeton, too. |
| 14:07 | slef | jcamins: always? |
| 14:07 | jcamins | slef: well, we always did at Princeton. |
| 14:07 | Maybe some people keep them. | |
| 14:07 | slef | jcamins: as in OCLC always send 9xx fields? |
| 14:07 | jcamins | I think so. |
| 14:07 | slef | bleah, I hope that's documented |
| 14:08 | * slef | browses http://www.oclc.org/ |
| 14:08 | slef | http://www.oclc.org/support/do[…]IRs/#952structure |
| 14:09 | nengard | ICK |
| 14:09 | but good that it's documented | |
| 14:09 | slef | so OCLC users need to configure Koha to use something else? |
| 14:09 | Someone told me why Koha uses 952 but I forget. | |
| 14:09 | nengard | i have a theory .... but it's not a nice one :) |
| 14:10 | slef | nengard: what's yours? Mine is 852 => 952 |
| 14:11 | Should koha's z search warn and offer to discard if it sees a biblio/items mapped field in results? | |
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| 14:12 | jcamins | slef: because 952 is used for local holdings by OCLC. |
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| 14:13 | nengard | slef the marc import lets you ignore holdings - so i think the z search should too |
| 14:13 | maybe a sys pref or a checkbox on the z search page (don't import 952) | |
| 14:14 | i'll start a report for this and include the chat | |
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| 14:16 | thd-away is now known as thd | |
| 14:16 | nengard | bug 5684 posted |
| 14:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5684 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Z search on OCLC pulls in 952s |
| 14:17 | nengard | got to prep for a webinar now |
| 14:17 | thanks for the help all | |
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| 14:34 | kmkale | I am seeing mass exodus and re-entry of people in this channel, Whats that about?> |
| 14:35 | jcamins | kmkale: Netsplit. |
| 14:35 | jwagner | Beats me... |
| 14:35 | jcamins | kmkale: if you're fast perhaps you can steal someone else's nick. |
| 14:35 | oleonard | jcamins: ? |
| 14:35 | liw | kmkale, the whole oftc network is having problems, it seems -- it's one of the results of having more than one irc server involved, it seems |
| 14:35 | kmkale | why should I when I have such a good one? ;) |
| 14:35 | jcamins | oleonard: one (or more) of the IRC servers has stopped talking with one (or more) of the others. |
| 14:36 | kmkale | aww. I hope nothing to do with yasi |
| 14:36 | jcamins | kmkale: that's good, because actually you missed your opportunity. |
| 14:36 | oleonard | druthb: We run into Bug 5685 all the time |
| 14:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5685 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Validation of email address field |
| 14:36 | kmkale | :) |
| 14:37 | druthb | yep, it's a perennial problem. It doesn't *seem* like that should be hard. |
| 14:37 | I've seen one-liner regexes that will confirm RFC-compliance on that, I just can't lay a finger on one ATM | |
| 14:37 | oleonard | druthb: The most common problem we have is inadvertent spaces |
| 14:37 | sekjal is now known as sekjal_a | |
| 14:38 | liw | most sites that validate e-mail address syntax get it wrong for corner cases, though |
| 14:38 | jcamins | Just so long as '+'s are allowed. |
| 14:39 | druthb | If we simply check for presence of <something>@<somthing>.<something>, with no spaces, that would get a minimal check in place. |
| 14:39 | liw | for example, spaces are sometimes allowed in e-mail addresses |
| 14:39 | (but require quoting) | |
| 14:39 | druthb | *nod* painful check, that one. |
| 14:40 | * oleonard | grouches Anyone who's such smartass as to provide an email with a space doesn't deserve a notice! |
| 14:40 | jcamins | oleonard: was there a regression in the cataloging interface, with cloned fields collapsing the original field and not themselves? |
| 14:40 | oleonard | jcamins: I don't know anything about it |
| 14:41 | jcamins | oleonard: hm. I thought you fixed it. |
| 14:42 | oleonard | I'm a little hazy on what I fixed :| |
| 14:42 | * jcamins | remembers again why he hates the cataloging interface |
| 14:42 | druthb | oleonard++ # for fixing so very many things, that he forgets some of them. |
| 14:43 | liw | https://secure.wikimedia.org/w[…]iki/Email_address links to http://haacked.com/archive/200[…]ress-until-i.aspx which may be useful |
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| 14:57 | jcamins | gmcharlt: about? |
| 15:00 | gmcharlt | jcamins: what's up? |
| 15:01 | jcamins | Do you have any idea how to make MARC::Record not die on a record with a field that has no subfields? |
| 15:01 | I have a record which has a 655 field, but no subfields. | |
| 15:01 | MARC::Record won't create an object out of it, so I can't delete the field. | |
| 15:02 | ... | |
| 15:02 | Never mind. | |
| 15:02 | gmcharlt | ? |
| 15:03 | jcamins | Operator error. |
| 15:03 | No, I was wrong. | |
| 15:03 | Grr. | |
| 15:03 | Okay, please un-disregard my question. | |
| 15:04 | * druthb | finds all this confusion very....confusing. |
| 15:04 | * jcamins | too, and he's causing it |
| 15:06 | will try restating the problem. | |
| 15:07 | jcamins | I have a record, in Koha, which has been corrupted. |
| 15:07 | gmcharlt | jcamins: right got that - to cut to the chase, what exception are you getting, specifically? |
| 15:08 | jcamins | Field 655 must have indicators (use ' ' for empty indicators) at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/File/SAX.pm line 92 |
| 15:08 | The strange thing is that there are indicators. | |
| 15:09 | Just no <subfield> tags. | |
| 15:09 | gmcharlt | can you paste the XML, please? |
| 15:09 | jcamins | Sure. |
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| 15:10 | * jcamins | pokes pastebot |
| 15:11 | jcamins | http://paste.koha-community.org/133 |
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| 15:13 | kf | jcamins: are you sure that's allowed? |
| 15:13 | jcamins | kf: no, it's definitely not allowed. |
| 15:13 | kf | so we should not support that |
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| 15:14 | kf | jcamins: ignore me - having a crazy day |
| 15:15 | gmcharlt | jcamins: it would be a matter of wrapping it an an eval and checking for the exception |
| 15:16 | I could add a lenient mode to MARC::File::XML to only warn about such exceptions (and drop affected fields) instead of croak()ing, I suppose | |
| 15:16 | druthb | kf: The problem is that C4::Biblio::LinkBibHeadingsToAuthorities will gladly *create* such problems, if you send in an authority controlled field that only has a $9. |
| 15:16 | jcamins | kf: the problem is that I have this in a database, and now I can't fix it. |
| 15:17 | gmcharlt: is there anything you can do once you catch the exception, or are you pretty much SOL if you really want that MARC::Record object? | |
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| 15:18 | jcamins | Okay, the usmarc parsing recovers. |
| 15:19 | kf | jcamins: I said ignore me! on second thought I knew you wouldn't create something like that on purpose ;) |
| 15:19 | jcamins | Is there any currently-existing utility that rebuilds the marcxml from the usmarc? |
| 15:20 | sekjal | jcamins: surely... pass it to MARC::Record, then output as MARCXML? |
| 15:21 | jcamins | sekjal: yeah, I know how to do it, I'm just wondering if there's anything included with Koha that I should be using. |
| 15:21 | sekjal | ah, pre-existing subroutines, right |
| 15:22 | jcamins | ModBiblioMarc. |
| 15:25 | Simple Perl question: how do I catch an error in an eval {}? | |
| 15:25 | Let me rephrase that. | |
| 15:25 | How do I find out if there was an error in an eval {}? | |
| 15:27 | Oh, I got it. | |
| 15:27 | gmcharlt | eval { # do stuff }; |
| 15:28 | jcamins | $@ |
| 15:28 | gmcharlt | if ($@) { # an exception has been caught } |
| 15:28 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 15:30 | tcohen | moving all my kohas to storage server driven virtual machines, SWEATING |
| 15:38 | jcamins | Woohoo! |
| 15:38 | My script worked. | |
| 15:38 | gmcharlt++ | |
| 15:38 | druthb++ | |
| 15:38 | sekjal++ | |
| 15:38 | kf++ | |
| 15:38 | Did I miss anyone who helped? | |
| 15:39 | * kf | didn't help |
| 15:39 | * paul_p | didn't help too, but if you set a ++ to kf, I'm OK to get a ++ too :D |
| 15:39 | paul_p | good morning/evening/afternoon/whatever everybody |
| 15:41 | sekjal | would the time/date set on a client machine accessing the staff client webpage affect any of the date data? |
| 15:42 | say, if my local machine's time was 2 weeks ago, would that leak into Koha and provide bad dates in places? | |
| 15:42 | oleonard | it would affect the default date of the datepicker widget |
| 15:44 | kf | bye |
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| 15:50 | jcamins | paul_p: I'm glad you're here. |
| 15:50 | I have a question for you. | |
| 15:51 | You put a note in C4/Biblio.pm about re-encoding each subfield. | |
| 15:51 | And I can't figure out what that section of the code does. | |
| 15:52 | (I'm finding it in gitweb) | |
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| 15:53 | jcamins | paul_p: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5ccf;hb=HEAD#l311 |
| 15:53 | paul_p: any idea what that does? | |
| 15:54 | paul_p | jcamins, this portion set the utf8 flag to all item fields |
| 15:54 | otherwise, the utf8 flag is not set, Perl think it must be reencoded & you get a double encoded item :((( | |
| 15:55 | jcamins | Oh. Item fields. |
| 15:55 | That's what I didn't understand. | |
| 15:55 | Thanks. | |
| 16:02 | Ahmuck__ | tcohen: sweating, why? |
| 16:03 | tcohen | time, angry librarians |
| 16:05 | have 28 kohas in production right now :-D | |
| 16:06 | i hope i finish this migration tasks soon, so i can code something! | |
| 16:18 | Ahmuck | interesting |
| 16:18 | how r u migrating? | |
| 16:23 | tcohen | we have an internal (must-use) svn repo with our koha branch and configurations for each instance on it |
| 16:23 | so we run a "installing script" | |
| 16:23 | to have the filesystem fr a specific instance | |
| 16:24 | and several tweaks on the OS done | |
| 16:24 | then shut the site down, move the DB to the new DB server | |
| 16:24 | svn up for the newer config for the instance | |
| 16:24 | and change the DNS | |
| 16:24 | wahanui | tcohen: that doesn't look right |
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| 16:25 | tcohen | which part is not right for you |
| 16:25 | ? | |
| 16:25 | wizzyrea_ | tcohen: wahanui is a bot |
| 16:25 | jcamins | tcohen: wahanui is a bot. |
| 16:25 | wizzyrea_ | jinx! |
| 16:25 | tcohen | jaja |
| 16:25 | jcamins | We don't know exactly why s/he says some of the things s/he says. |
| 16:25 | tcohen | interesting |
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| 16:27 | tcohen | i was expecting a complain for our use of svn instead of git from wahanui |
| 16:28 | :-D | |
| 16:28 | jcamins | tcohen: I was thinking of asking you about that. |
| 16:28 | tcohen | our "production" division provides as with the tools, as they maintain them |
| 16:29 | everyone here uses SVN, so there was no option for a git repository | |
| 16:29 | jcamins | Ah. |
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| 16:30 | tcohen | i had problems with them for sticking to ubuntu lts instead of opensuse (for example) |
| 16:30 | but i won that battle | |
| 16:30 | jcamins | tcohen: but isn't it easier to install Koha on Ubuntu? |
| 16:30 | wizzyrea_ | and even easier yet to use debian :P |
| 16:30 | tcohen | i was the ubuntu guy |
| 16:31 | wizzyrea_ | OH |
| 16:31 | I read that the other way round | |
| 16:31 | that you wanted opensuse and they wanted ubuntu | |
| 16:32 | jcamins | Oh, I misunderstood as well. |
| 16:32 | tcohen | is my english as a second language problem |
| 16:32 | mmm | |
| 16:32 | i think i have the same problem speaking spanish | |
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| 16:33 | tcohen | :-) |
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| 17:08 | nengard | what does this mean "nengard_lunch sets mode -R nengard_lunch" |
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| 17:09 | wizzyrea_ | away Spud! |
| 17:11 | it means you're registered | |
| 17:17 | nengard | so now i have two registered names? |
| 17:17 | cool | |
| 17:17 | :) | |
| 17:18 | chris_n | @later tell chris pastebot appears to have gotten lost in the bits and bytes between there and here |
| 17:18 | huginn | chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:18 | wizzyrea_ | he's here |
| 17:18 | chris_n | opps.... |
| 17:18 | wizzyrea_ | pastebot0? |
| 17:19 | jcamins | He's broken, though. |
| 17:19 | chris_n: chris is rangi, isn't he? | |
| 17:19 | chris_n | very |
| 17:19 | @later tell rangi pastebot appears to have gotten lost in the bits and bytes between there and here | |
| 17:19 | huginn | chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:19 | chris_n | right |
| 17:20 | * chris_n | is trying to cope with nick changes ;-) |
| 17:20 | wizzyrea_ | weird he was working yesterday |
| 17:21 | pastebot0 | "chris_n" at 63.162.197.228 pasted "TEST TEST" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/134 |
| 17:21 | chris_n | hmm |
| 17:21 | works now | |
| 17:21 | @later tell rangi forget it | |
| 17:21 | huginn | chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:22 | jcamins | Why didn't pastebot work when I tried pasting? |
| 17:23 | Oh well. | |
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| 17:29 | chris_n | jcamins: I'm not sure; it did not work for me the first time, either; but second go round was ok |
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| 17:32 | sekjal | later, #koha |
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| 17:40 | jcamins | chris_n: once rangi pushes bug 5683 you'll probably want to cherry pick it for 3.2.4. |
| 17:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5683 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, NEW, link_bibs_to_authorities.pl can corrupt records |
| 17:41 | jcamins | That's a pretty serious problem... I'm actually kind of surprised no one ever encountered it before. |
| 17:44 | accoutlines.amountoutstanding is not a cumulative amount, correct? | |
| 17:44 | That's the amount of each transaction? | |
| 17:44 | atz | so is there any accessible version of what the old wiki had as "encodingscratchpad"? |
| 17:44 | that was a useful document | |
| 17:44 | jcamins | atz: there is, but I am too tired to remember where off the top of my head. |
| 17:44 | This may take a few minutes... | |
| 17:45 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]cter_Sets_in_Koha | |
| 17:45 | atz: ^^ | |
| 17:45 | atz | s'ok, i just didn't want to lose that reference. i think i've referred to in on list at least a half dozen times |
| 17:45 | cool, thx | |
| 17:45 | better name too | |
| 17:45 | druthb_lunch is now known as druthb | |
| 17:47 | rangi | jcamins: amountoutstanding is the amount left, it might increase or decrease |
| 17:48 | (increase if it is a fine, and the fine has increased, decrease if someone has written off, or paid some/all) | |
| 17:49 | jcamins | Ugh. |
| 17:49 | rangi | accountsoffset used to contain the amount changing by |
| 17:49 | statistics still does | |
| 17:50 | jcamins | So if I want to know the change in fines between January 1 and February 1 for a specific borrower, is that possible? |
| 17:50 | rangi | so amountoutstanding is what you use to check if someone owes money (or could be in credit too) |
| 17:50 | yes | |
| 17:50 | look in the statistics table | |
| 17:52 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 17:52 | chris_n | jcamins: will do |
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| 17:56 | jcamins | Wait. I think I meant "amount" not "amountoutstanding." |
| 17:56 | No, maybe not. | |
| 17:58 | rangi | slef: about? |
| 17:59 | oleonard is now known as oleonard-away | |
| 18:01 | slef | rangi: only for 5mins max |
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| 18:01 | rangi | chanserv has forgotten us |
| 18:01 | can u fixinate? | |
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| 18:05 | slef | done |
| 18:05 | rangi | thanks |
| 18:07 | wizzyrea_ | @wunder lawrence ks |
| 18:07 | huginn | wizzyrea_: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is -11.6�C (12:10 PM CST on February 02, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 30.68 in 1038.8 hPa (Falling). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until noon CST today... |
| 18:07 | wizzyrea_ | brrr |
| 18:08 | jwagner_away is now known as jwagner | |
| 18:15 | jwagner | @wunder 20740 |
| 18:15 | huginn | jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 9.0�C (1:18 PM EST on February 02, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.66 in 1004.3 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:15 | jwagner | Heat wave! |
| 18:15 | Nate_ left #koha | |
| 18:19 | rangi | jwagner: my sister is in dc |
| 18:19 | arrived yesterday | |
| 18:20 | jwagner | We lucked out on the storm -- it tracked just north of us so instead of the predicted inch or two of ice we just got rain. |
| 18:21 | Lots of flights cancelled all across the country, so it's lucky she got here! | |
| 18:21 | rangi | yep, fly from sfo yesterday |
| 18:21 | is only there for 3.5 days | |
| 18:21 | invited speaker talking about discrimination and health | |
| 18:21 | * druthb | thinks jwagner and I should kidnap her and get the incriminating stories about rangi. |
| 18:22 | jwagner | or hold her hostage until rangi does lots of nifty things like the oft-requested cloning and time travel modules! |
| 18:22 | * druthb | is not *that* mean. |
| 18:22 | rangi | back to nz in time for the superbowl |
| 18:22 | * jwagner | is :-) |
| 18:23 | druthb | I will, however, make sure that the stories make it into a publicly-accessible git repo...open source, you know... |
| 18:23 | jwagner | Hmmm. Now that's an argument in favor.... |
| 18:23 | druthb | http://github.com/stories_that[…]you_wont_read.git |
| 18:24 | rangi | heh, shes got nothing on me |
| 18:24 | jwagner | rangi, in my experience, sisters ALWAYS have something on you. And vice versa, of course. I have some great blackmail material on my sister. |
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| 18:25 | druthb | mhm. siblings have the dirt, always. I've got some on my brothers, who are a whole generation older than me. |
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| 18:26 | rangi | naw my wife has tons more |
| 18:27 | jwagner | well, yes, obviously. But don't discount siblings! |
| 18:27 | rangi | im pretty sure she wont see anything more than her hotel and the conference venue this trip |
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| 18:28 | rangi | but she has been to dc before |
| 18:28 | cait | hi all :) |
| 18:28 | jwagner | Hi cait |
| 18:28 | rangi, probably for the best. We still have a bunch of piled up snow all over from last week's storm, and now it's melting and getting really slushy & horrible for walking. | |
| 18:29 | Not good sightseeing conditions. | |
| 18:29 | rangi | yup |
| 18:36 | speaking of superbowl | |
| 18:37 | http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]hp?g2_itemId=6096 | |
| 18:37 | http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]hp?g2_itemId=6102 | |
| 18:37 | http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]hp?g2_itemId=6081 | |
| 18:38 | jwagner | Ah, who cares about the Super Bowl? The NHL All-Star break is finally over, so we have ice hockey again. And pitchers and catchers report for baseball spring training in 12 days!!! |
| 18:38 | rangi | that was the last time, when it was on on a public holiday here |
| 18:38 | brendan_ | jwagner++ baseball++ |
| 18:38 | jwagner | Put me in, Coach, I'm ready to play! |
| 18:39 | rangi | ok bus time, be back from on the bus |
| 18:39 | jwagner | I've been arguing for years that Opening Day of the baseball season really should be a national holiday. I mean, who cares about Columbus Day? |
| 18:40 | druthb | heh |
| 18:40 | * jwagner | makes note to check spring training schedules and try for a quick Florida trip in March. |
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| 18:42 | * druthb | already has a florida trip in march, but rather doubts that baseballs will be involved. |
| 18:43 | jwagner | They could be, you know. Hard to go very far in Florida in March _without_ running into a spring training game. |
| 18:44 | druthb | heh. I'll be out in the weeds southwest of JAX, so we shall see. |
| 18:45 | jwagner | http://www.springtrainingmagaz[…]grapesched11.html |
| 18:47 | druthb | doesn't look like anything close to where I'll be, for the small number of days. Pity. |
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| 18:55 | rangi | Back |
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| 19:03 | rangi | The woman in front of me is rocking out hard to her music |
| 19:03 | Its making my day | |
| 19:03 | </ bus_tales> | |
| 19:07 | HOW CAN I GET OFF THE BUS | |
| 19:07 | My stop bbiab | |
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| 19:07 | rangi | That joke only makes sense if you are on the mailing list |
| 19:08 | Brooke_ | kia ora |
| 19:08 | jcamins | rangi: I got it. |
| 19:09 | druthb | hi, Brooke! :) |
| 19:10 | cait | rangi: you are evil ;) |
| 19:10 | Brooke_ | he is no such thing |
| 19:10 | cait | can we hide the 2.2.9 somewhere? |
| 19:11 | behind a sphinx' riddle? | |
| 19:11 | Brooke_ | how about in an archive |
| 19:11 | collecting dust | |
| 19:11 | where it belongs. | |
| 19:12 | cait | ok, that would work too |
| 19:14 | druthb | jwagner! This is *all your fault!* |
| 19:15 | * jwagner | looks around -- what did I do? |
| 19:15 | * druthb | has John Fogerty in her head now. grrrrrr. |
| 19:15 | * Brooke_ | gets ready to "escort" jwagner... |
| 19:15 | jwagner | How about Glory Days instead? |
| 19:15 | druthb | that *song...* |
| 19:16 | cait | huh? |
| 19:16 | * Brooke_ | is a darling. |
| 19:16 | Brooke_ | know that one? |
| 19:16 | jwagner | the "Put me in, Coach" line was from a John Fogerty song called Centerfield (about baseball). |
| 19:16 | Bruce Springsteen's Glory Days also refers to baseball. | |
| 19:16 | I think my favorite baseball song might be Tom Paxton's My Favorite Spring, though | |
| 19:16 | cait | thx :) |
| 19:17 | rangi | back |
| 19:17 | druthb | cait: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KQydlJ-qc |
| 19:17 | cait | oh no |
| 19:17 | Brooke_ | nsfw ;) |
| 19:17 | cait | not sure I should click on that - don't want another thing runnign around in my head |
| 19:18 | Brooke_ | don't do it, it's a dreadful pop song. |
| 19:18 | druthb | the song is somewhat infectious. The video is a lot of vintage baseball footage, a baseball trivia geek's dream come true. |
| 19:18 | rangi | i see you baseball stuff |
| 19:18 | and raise you a cricket video | |
| 19:18 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5kUPIbINbE | |
| 19:18 | jwagner | But rangi, we taught you ALL ABOUT baseball in Plano! |
| 19:19 | rangi | :) |
| 19:19 | spaceball according to kahu | |
| 19:19 | Brooke_ | why, he's not throwing underarm at all ;) |
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| 19:19 | rangi | check out the catch at 47 seconds |
| 19:19 | jwagner | I distinctly remember a lot of instructional comments like, The rule in this situation is this. Except for _this_ situation. |
| 19:19 | rangi | NZ in the house! |
| 19:21 | jcamins | What happens if you run rebuild_zebra with just the argument -b? |
| 19:21 | rangi | see at 15 seconds |
| 19:21 | jcamins | What? |
| 19:21 | rangi | thats how i broke my little finger on my left hand |
| 19:21 | jcamins | Oh, you're talking about a video. |
| 19:21 | rangi | s/broke/shattered/ |
| 19:23 | jcamins | Looks like it will work. |
| 19:23 | Is it safe to run rebuild_zebra.pl -b? | |
| 19:23 | On a currently-running production system? | |
| 19:23 | rangi | im not sure it actually does anything |
| 19:23 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 19:23 | rangi | without either -r or -z |
| 19:23 | jcamins | Drat. |
| 19:23 | rangi | try it with -v and ull find out |
| 19:23 | jcamins | It says it's reindexing. |
| 19:24 | mtj | yep |
| 19:24 | rangi | yeah it 'says' that |
| 19:24 | id check with -v to be sure | |
| 19:24 | cait | I think the manual states a b w |
| 19:24 | so it should do somehting without r and z | |
| 19:24 | ibeardslee | jwagner: that reminds I need to find that John Fogerty album .. the tape died a couple of years back |
| 19:24 | cait | ? |
| 19:25 | mtj | you must use -r or -z |
| 19:25 | rangi | cait: what would it do? |
| 19:25 | cait | no idea |
| 19:25 | rangi | -r rebuild, -z use queue |
| 19:25 | without either .. its not gonna do anything | |
| 19:25 | jcamins | -r is actually reset. |
| 19:26 | jwagner | ibeardslee, I converted all my LPs and cassettes to digital format a few years ago -- I have that album if you want the files. |
| 19:26 | jcamins | Apparently. |
| 19:26 | rangi | reset + rebuild |
| 19:26 | since it uses the shadow, the index stays useful, until the commit at the end | |
| 19:27 | cait | rangi: you are right, manual says <path/to/koha>/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra -z -b -a |
| 19:27 | rangi | mtj is right :) |
| 19:27 | cait | hm, but lucid install manual states: 288 7.2 Fast Index: |
| 19:27 | 289 $ misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -w | |
| 19:28 | rangi | patch that sucker |
| 19:28 | cait | ? |
| 19:28 | jcamins | Okay, fine, I'll just add all the records to zebraqueue. |
| 19:28 | No, I think the Lucid manual might also be right. | |
| 19:28 | ibeardslee | jwagner: let me check that I still have the physical tape lying around still |
| 19:28 | cait | the first line was from the debian file |
| 19:28 | rangi | yeah you dont want to use -w |
| 19:28 | unless you really really have to | |
| 19:29 | and without a z or r thats still doing nothing | |
| 19:31 | * rangi | is reading the code |
| 19:32 | mtj | -w passes -n to zebraidx |
| 19:32 | -n is noshadow | |
| 19:32 | rangi | yep |
| 19:33 | i think without -r you will make a mess, duplicate records | |
| 19:34 | jcamins | I went with the unelegant but effective way: added a whole slew of entries to zebraqueue. |
| 19:34 | mtj | which looks like an undocumented zebraidx arg ? |
| 19:34 | jcamins | Zebra? Undocumented? |
| 19:34 | Golly, whatever will they think of next? | |
| 19:34 | rangi | it means dont use the shadow files |
| 19:34 | ie, change the live files | |
| 19:35 | mtj | oops, there it is... |
| 19:35 | -n Disable the use of shadow registers for this operation (see Shadow | |
| 19:35 | rangi | so yeah, if you run just -b without the -r .. unless its the first time you have run it, its just gonna add the same stuff twice |
| 19:35 | mtj | Registers in the Zebra manual). |
| 19:36 | jcamins | -qwerty Destroy the world as we know it |
| 19:36 | cait | I think Fast Index means first time in this case , but probably a warning sould be added? |
| 19:36 | jcamins | -azerty Refuse to understand the standard API |
| 19:36 | mtj | ive only ever used -r or -z |
| 19:37 | jcamins | I've never had a production system that was only partially corrupted before. |
| 19:37 | rangi | mtj: me too |
| 19:38 | mtj | meh, looks like koha.net discovered 1/ twitter, 2/ spamming |
| 19:39 | jcamins | Okay, time to run to my meeting. |
| 19:39 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_away | |
| 19:40 | rangi | to be fair |
| 19:40 | they have had the name koha longer than the project has | |
| 19:41 | mtj | … they were using the #koha tag before us? |
| 19:41 | rangi | koha ditore is a paper that has been around for ages |
| 19:41 | im not sure thats how twitter works mtj :) | |
| 19:42 | you cant own a hashtag | |
| 19:42 | #kohails seems a fine one to use, it will get all the koharu kosumi | |
| 19:42 | mtj | heh, point taken ;) |
| 19:42 | rangi | and club koha in florida |
| 19:42 | stuff out of the flow too :) | |
| 19:43 | oh and some playboy model has koha in their name too | |
| 19:43 | ibeardslee | .. |
| 19:43 | rangi | gotta be careful checking your rss fee |
| 19:43 | d | |
| 19:43 | :) | |
| 19:44 | mtj | gotta be careful checking your arss feed |
| 19:44 | rangi | *grin* |
| 19:44 | mtj | ok, time to catch a train... |
| 19:44 | rangi | /whois mtj ? |
| 19:45 | mtj | mason |
| 19:45 | rangi | ahhh |
| 19:45 | i missed the nick change | |
| 19:46 | oleonard-away | Time to update http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars |
| 19:46 | oleonard-away is now known as oleonard | |
| 19:46 | rangi | oh good point |
| 19:47 | mtj | yeah, i got over novelty of having a huuuuge nick, and optimised |
| 19:47 | oleonard++, will do | |
| 19:49 | rangi | someone wanna sign off a really easy patch .. who wants to learn signing off? |
| 19:49 | cait | mtj is an abbreviation for? :) |
| 19:49 | rangi | mason the awesome james |
| 19:51 | cait | hm ok |
| 19:51 | jwagner | I'm going to call it a day...see you all later. |
| 19:51 | * rangi | made some of that up |
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| 19:52 | cait | rangi: yeah, but know i will probably remember who mtj is :) |
| 19:53 | rangi | no one wants to learn how to sign off |
| 19:53 | * rangi | hopes are dashed |
| 19:54 | cait | i can do it tomorrow if noone wants to learn |
| 19:54 | leave me a message | |
| 19:54 | or ask davi | |
| 19:54 | rangi | bug 5682 |
| 19:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5682 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, POD in C4::Charset was wrong |
| 19:54 | rangi | its a pod change, perfect learning patch |
| 19:56 | cait | ok, so better leave it? |
| 20:00 | rangi | yeah, ill try and get davi to do it |
| 20:00 | cait | ok |
| 20:01 | chris | |
| 20:02 | rebased the template_test branch | |
| 20:02 | now I have like pages full of perl errors | |
| 20:02 | al saying something about global symbol | |
| 20:02 | chris = rangi | |
| 20:02 | rangi | ill tell chrish when he gets in |
| 20:03 | cait | just thought you might have an idea |
| 20:03 | rangi | sounds like a typo to me |
| 20:03 | slef | help #koha! |
| 20:03 | cait | hi slef |
| 20:04 | slef | there's a quote along the lines of "a professor is just someone who has enough time to look up the answer" but I can't find it or remember the exact wording |
| 20:04 | anyone know it? | |
| 20:05 | rangi | hmmm nope |
| 20:05 | cait | nope |
| 20:05 | druthb | Hmm...only one I know of is "A professor is someone who talks in somone else's sleep" --W. H. Auden. |
| 20:05 | slef | An alternative thing I'd like to find is the list of translations of common maths lecture terms, like "trivially = I forget how to prove this but I'm sure it's obvious" |
| 20:06 | web searching just finds tons of lectures :) | |
| 20:06 | cait | oh |
| 20:06 | I came across that one in my math book | |
| 20:06 | oleonard | rangi: Is there a most likely cause for problems with the Template toolkit test? Somewhere to start looking when something isn't working? |
| 20:06 | cait | and almost always meant I had no idea how he came from step 1 to step 3 |
| 20:07 | oleanord - does the branch work for you? | |
| 20:07 | slef | cait: the colleague who pinned the translations to my office door was German. Maybe you are more sceptical? ;-) |
| 20:07 | cait | I get a lot of global symbol perl errors after rebasing |
| 20:07 | oleonard | cait: I haven't fetched and rebased since ~24 hours ago |
| 20:07 | rangi | oleonard: yes, a variable that is set in the template in the wrong scope (template toolkit cares about scope, html::template doesnt) |
| 20:08 | so look for things like missing bits of a url, then look in the template and see what the variable is, chances are its in the wrong scope | |
| 20:08 | cait | chris hall sent mail, saying he had fixed some things - so I did |
| 20:08 | rangi | as we find them, we adjust the conversion script to do the right thing |
| 20:09 | oleonard | Missing bits of a url? |
| 20:09 | I'm looking at the (already documented) problem with moremember.pl | |
| 20:09 | cait | look at the search results in staf and klick on a title |
| 20:09 | the url end biblionumber= | |
| 20:10 | * oleonard | can't even get to the search results because of an error |
| 20:11 | cait | search worked for me yesterday |
| 20:12 | Global symbol "$theme" requires explicit package name at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/Templates.pm line 55 | |
| 20:12 | and a lot more like that | |
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| 20:13 | * Brooke_ | waves to hdl |
| 20:14 | rangi | hi hdl |
| 20:14 | cait | hi hdl |
| 20:14 | hdl | hi all |
| 20:16 | oleonard | cait: I fetched and rebased and don't have any new errors |
| 20:17 | cait | yeah |
| 20:17 | I think I made a mistake | |
| 20:17 | rangi | hdl: 3 patches rebased .. 1 signed off already .. :) |
| 20:18 | hdl | which ? |
| 20:18 | wahanui | which is totally fine |
| 20:18 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5574 |
| 20:18 | huginn | 04Bug 5574: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, 3.4 cataloguing improvements |
| 20:18 | rangi | see the depends on list there |
| 20:18 | that will grow as i work through it | |
| 20:19 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5681 <-- ill be pushing today | |
| 20:19 | huginn | 04Bug 5681: major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Autobarcode using C4::Barcode has issues with leading zeros and large values |
| 20:19 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ug.cgi?id=5681#c2 |
| 20:19 | huginn | 04Bug 5681: major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Autobarcode using C4::Barcode has issues with leading zeros and large values |
| 20:19 | rangi | unit test ftw :-) |
| 20:20 | cait | my git status shows like a zillion new files |
| 20:20 | hdl | thx. |
| 20:20 | Going behind a closed vpn see you soon | |
| 20:21 | rangi | cya :) |
| 20:22 | cait | something went wrong with my rebase |
| 20:22 | created a new branch | |
| 20:22 | now it works | |
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| 20:33 | cait | time to sleep :) |
| 20:33 | good night all | |
| 20:34 | rangi | sleep well |
| 20:34 | cait | thx :) |
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| 20:37 | hdl | rangi: any chance someone tested the remove_items branch ? |
| 20:38 | rangi | not as far as i know |
| 20:38 | hdl | First i agree that we must focus on the other branches... |
| 20:38 | rangi | does it have a bug number? |
| 20:39 | hdl | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5579 |
| 20:39 | huginn | 04Bug 5579: critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Remove items from biblioitems.marcxml |
| 20:39 | rangi | im currently working through 5574 making component bugs |
| 20:39 | * druthb | waves. |
| 20:39 | rangi | i can switch to 5579 if you want |
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| 20:39 | rangi | and come back to 5574 when i have done it |
| 20:39 | hdl | not at all. |
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| 20:40 | hdl | 5579 could be good for community... But we never deployed that. |
| 20:40 | rangi | ah yes, 5579 is one i would like to see tested and integrated |
| 20:40 | i think ti would improve circulation a lot | |
| 20:40 | hdl | It DOES. |
| 20:41 | rangi | my plan was 5574, then 5575 |
| 20:42 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5683 - it is possible to save corrupt records <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]081f32dc1218a904f> |
| 20:43 | hudsonbot | Starting build 332 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED) |
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| 20:46 | chris_n | is it me or does java support really stink in FF.... this browser crashes repeatedly under havey JS loads |
| 20:47 | heavy, even | |
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| 21:07 | hudsonbot | Project Koha_Master build #332: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/332/ |
| 21:07 | Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5683 - it is possible to save corrupt records | |
| 21:09 | rangi | oleonard: are you around? |
| 21:09 | oleonard | For a few more minutes |
| 21:09 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5661 |
| 21:09 | huginn | 04Bug 5661: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED, Authority search return an "Error 500" when "Sort by" is set to "No order" |
| 21:10 | rangi | you signed off on .. i cant seem to find the signed off patch |
| 21:10 | oleonard | Hm, I must have forgotten to send it |
| 21:11 | rangi | cool im not going mad :) |
| 21:11 | when you get a chance that would be cool | |
| 21:12 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5681: Fixes leading zeroes in Add Mulpiple Copies <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0f77a8ba2249b0f54> |
| 21:13 | oleonard | Hm, sent but I think without my signoff :| |
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| 21:13 | * oleonard | looks around for a spare -s |
| 21:13 | hudsonbot | Starting build 333 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:14 | oleonard | Before you had 1 too few, now you have 1 too many. |
| 21:15 | rangi | heh |
| 21:15 | ta | |
| 21:16 | another new developer yay! | |
| 21:16 | * oleonard | has some success on Bug 5532 |
| 21:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5532 enhancement, P5, ---, pianohacker, ASSIGNED, "Saved" message for sysprefs editor should show names of saved prefs |
| 21:16 | rangi | oh cool |
| 21:17 | * oleonard | will have to leave more for tomorrow |
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| 21:35 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Updating history docs <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5b1ad1f67d01aff65> / Bug 5661 Fix a problem when doing an authority search with no sort order <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]97e97cad50fb18783> |
| 21:38 | hudsonbot | Project Koha_Master build #333: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/333/ |
| 21:38 | Paul Poulain: Bug 5681: Fixes leading zeroes in Add Mulpiple Copies | |
| 21:38 | Starting build 334 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
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| 22:03 | hudsonbot | Project Koha_Master build #334: SUCCESS in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/334/ |
| 22:03 | * Fr?d?rick Capovilla: Bug 5661 Fix a problem when doing an authority search with no sort order | |
| 22:03 | * Chris Cormack: Updating history docs | |
| 22:10 | rangi | darling: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5b1ad1f67d01aff65 |
| 22:13 | hudsonbot | Starting build 95 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 22:13 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit32: Updating history docs <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5059fd2680e7b74cf> / Bug 5661 Fix a problem when doing an authority search with no sort order <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2c06cd6cf8cebd4e0> / Bug 5681: Fixes leading zeroes in Add Mulpiple Copies <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]koha.git;a=commit |
| 22:15 | darling | !! |
| 22:15 | darling is now known as darling131 | |
| 22:16 | rangi | heh |
| 22:16 | darling131 | that makes me very happy -- no longer living the lie that I'm useful to Koha workings |
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| 22:36 | * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5683 - it is possible to save corrupt records | |
| 22:36 | * Paul Poulain: Bug 5681: Fixes leading zeroes in Add Mulpiple Copies | |
| 22:36 | * Fr?d?rick Capovilla: Bug 5661 Fix a problem when doing an authority search with no sort order | |
| 22:36 | * Chris Cormack: Updating history docs | |
| 22:36 | mtj | that 'CCODE' search-limiting bug has still got me stumped.... |
| 22:37 | i'm gonna have to bugzilla it | |
| 22:37 | jcamins_away | mtj: what bug? |
| 22:37 | wahanui | bug is, like, fairly minor, as the fines are actually being levied |
| 22:37 | jcamins_away | wahanui: forget what bug |
| 22:37 | wahanui | jcamins_away, I didn't have anything matching what bug |
| 22:37 | jcamins_away | wahanui: bug? |
| 22:37 | wahanui | bug is probably fairly minor, as the fines are actually being levied |
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| 22:37 | jcamins_away | wahanui: forget bug |
| 22:37 | wahanui | jcamins_away: I forgot bug |
| 22:38 | mtj | well, briefly… its to do with a search limiting on CCODE , doing right-wildcard stuff |
| 22:39 | jcamins_away | Truncation on CCODE? |
| 22:39 | Weird. | |
| 22:39 | rangi | C4::Search does some mental things |
| 22:39 | mtj | so a search on (mc-CCODE=MATAHI), brings up results from MATAHI_XXX ccodes |
| 22:40 | the quick fix for the mo, is to rename that specific ccode | |
| 22:40 | im sure its a bug in the /marc21/record.abs file... | |
| 22:40 | ive modded it from... | |
| 22:41 | ./marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode | |
| 22:41 | to | |
| 22:41 | ./marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode:n,ccode:w | |
| 22:41 | copying from other examples, etc… | |
| 22:41 | jcamins_away | mtj: don't you also need ccode:p? |
| 22:42 | mtj | but after a zeb-rebuild, and zebserv restart, still the same results :/ |
| 22:42 | ccode: p ? | |
| 22:42 | yeah, poss.. | |
| 22:42 | jcamins_away | Yeah. |
| 22:42 | mtj | fyi: ive tried most variants |
| 22:42 | including ... | |
| 22:43 | ./marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode:p | |
| 22:43 | ./marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode: p | |
| 22:43 | but not... | |
| 22:43 | ./marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode:n,ccode: p | |
| 22:44 | pass, i dont really understand the diff. only that it wont work as *i* want it too | |
| 22:45 | from the zebra-doc... | |
| 22:45 | Incomplete field (@attr 6=1)Word ('w') | |
| 22:46 | jcamins_away | mtj: I can't claim to understand any of that. |
| 22:46 | mtj | http://www.indexdata.com/zebra[…]pping-accesspoint |
| 22:46 | Incomplete field (@attr 6=1)Word ('w')Traditional tokenized and character normalized word index | |
| 22:47 | complete field' (@attr 6=3)Phrase ('p')Character normalized, but not tokenized index for phrase matches | |
| 22:47 | i *think* i want the 'p' , not the 'w' ? | |
| 22:47 | jcamins_away | That's what I'd think. |
| 22:48 | mtj | fyI: the call to zebrasrv looks sane.. |
| 22:48 | jcamins_away | Because I think (possibly with no basis) that w would parse that example you gave as two different words. |
| 22:48 | mtj | 11:35:56-03/02 zebrasrv(1) [log] dict_lookup_grep: (\x01`\x01\x02)(MATAHI) |
| 22:48 | 11:35:56-03/02 zebrasrv(1) [request] Search biblios OK 609 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @attr 1=8009 MATAHI | |
| 22:49 | yet i get 952$8= MATAHIX results returned :/ | |
| 22:50 | tries rebuilding with 'ccode:n,ccode: p' | |
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| 22:52 | mtj | well, my example koha has MATAHIX and MATAHI_X items, both are returned on a MATAHI limit |
| 22:53 | fy: the unimarc ccode is defined with a ccode:w, the marc21 is not in record.abs (for the log) | |
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| 22:55 | mtj | hmm, its defined twice in the unimarc file. |
| 22:55 | masonxen1:~/g/head/etc$ grep -ir ccode ./* |
|
| 22:56 | ./zebradb/marc_defs/unimarc/biblios/record.abs:melm 099$t ccode:w | |
| 22:56 | ./zebradb/marc_defs/unimarc/biblios/record.abs:melm 995$h ccode,item | |
| 22:56 | ./zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs:melm 952$8 ccode | |
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| 22:57 | jcamins_away | Good luck. |
| 22:58 | I'm going to call it a (much-needed) night. | |
| 22:58 | Good night (again), #koha | |
| 22:58 | mtj | cheers, i'll get there! |
| 23:09 | sijobl joined #koha | |
| 23:09 | hdl | mtj: we defined it twice to be able to index ccode at biblio level (for biblios which donot have any item, could be important) |
| 23:09 | sijobl is now known as si | |
| 23:10 | mtj | hdl: yeah, that was my guess, too |
| 23:10 | si is now known as Guest40 | |
| 23:10 | Guest40 is now known as sijobl | |
| 23:10 | mtj | my ccode limit bug probably exists in koha with unimarc too, i think |
| 23:11 | * chris_n | greets si |
| 23:11 | sijobl | hiya |
| 23:11 | * sijobl | looks around the room |
| 23:11 | sijobl | nice digs you have here |
| 23:11 | chris_n | lol |
| 23:12 | we're trying to spruce it up a bit :) | |
| 23:12 | sijobl | although I see chris doesn't get to be chris anymore |
| 23:13 | chris_n | there were several nick changes which had to take place I think |
| 23:13 | rangi | nope |
| 23:15 | * chris_n | goes off to bottle more honey |
| 23:16 | hdl | mtj: namely ? |
| 23:20 | mtj | hdl: read your scrollback? |
| 23:20 | hdl | will look the logs |
| 23:21 | mtj | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]11-02-02#i_593762 |
| 23:21 | mtjthat 'CCODE' search-limiting bug has still got me stumped.... | |
| 23:23 | hdl | oh.... mtj we already worked on that... |
| 23:23 | mtj | hdl: sorry bbiab, busy now.…. |
| 23:23 | aaah! | |
| 23:23 | hdl | yes... having ccode with p helps... |
| 23:23 | But you have to use ext | |
| 23:23 | mtj | any info for me? |
| 23:23 | hdl | will find the patch for you |
| 23:23 | mtj | ok |
| 23:23 | * mtj | hugs hdl |
| 23:23 | rangi | be perfect if you made a bug mtj |
| 23:24 | then you can sign off the patch and add to that | |
| 23:24 | mtj | yep, i will |
| 23:24 | hdl | was fixed in 3.0 irrc |
| 23:28 | mtj: add p to your ccodes definition. | |
| 23:28 | * mtj | greps for 'ext' in HEAD |
| 23:29 | hdl | Then line 168 and 183 on master opac/opac-search.pl |
| 23:29 | change ccl=>$itype_or_itemtype to | |
| 23:29 | wahanui | hdl: that doesn't look right |
| 23:29 | wahanui left #koha | |
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| 23:29 | hdl | ccl =>qq($itype_or_itemtype,ext), |
| 23:30 | I have phr in my code but it is not enough... Problem is that icu doesn't care about complete subfield. | |
| 23:32 | here is my commit # on master e62d328c253e51c03722326325898c935067dbfe and bug number assigned is 4049 | |
| 23:32 | in bugzilla | |
| 23:33 | mtj | hdl: ok, very nice! |
| 23:34 | i have problem with ccode, not itype - but i think the problem is the same :) | |
| 23:35 | hdl | mtj: depending on systempreference, ccode is just another name for itype or itemtype |
| 23:36 | rangi | i really like this |
| 23:36 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]4&hide_resolved=1 | |
| 23:37 | * rangi | will bbiab |
| 23:45 | mtj | hdl: just doing some testing now, thank you! |
| 23:45 | hdl | you are welcome |
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