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00:51 | * Brooke | waves at eter |
00:51 | jcamins_a is now known as jcamins | |
00:51 | * jcamins | waves at Brooke and eter |
00:55 | jcamins | Hey, there's a command-line Marcedit tool! |
00:57 | eter | hey |
00:57 | hi Brooke | |
00:57 | Brooke | :) |
00:58 | when regular MarcEdit is just not geeky enough? | |
00:58 | jcamins | Brooke: right. |
01:00 | ULS joined #koha | |
01:00 | ULS | saludos a todos |
01:00 | Brooke | bienvenido! |
01:01 | ULS | muchisimas garcias a todos por crear esta comunidad de ayuda. |
01:01 | tengo algunas consultas. Como le cambio el idioma a mi sistema koha. Al español? | |
01:01 | Brooke | hang on a tic, haven't had to change the language in forever. |
01:03 | ULS | Any tutorial to change the language to Spanish koha? |
01:04 | Brooke | k |
01:04 | Main Intranet Login | |
01:04 | System Preferences | |
01:04 | scuse me | |
01:04 | Administration | |
01:04 | System Preferences | |
01:04 | then ES :) | |
01:05 | it's the I18N/L10N tab | |
01:05 | just to be extra obvious ;) | |
01:07 | Bueno? | |
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01:07 | * Brooke | waves at pianohack |
01:07 | pianohack | Hallo Brooke |
01:07 | ULS | buscando one moment ples |
01:08 | pianohack | Finally have some free coding time :) |
01:08 | * Brooke | cheers at pianohack |
01:08 | jcamins | pianohack: lucky you! |
01:08 | Can I have some? | |
01:08 | pianohack | Hehe, once you do a engineering school finals week ;) |
01:09 | Brooke | it's all downhill from finals in Trinity |
01:09 | * Brooke | threatened her invigilator with a Glen of the Downs hike. |
01:11 | jcamins | pianohack: what's the status on your text-based cataloging form? (not to be pushy, just wondering... last I heard there was a rumor you were going to try to polish it to submit to Master) |
01:11 | pianohack | Yes! I had plans to do that, and then college hit me upside the head |
01:12 | jcamins | Heh. |
01:12 | Welcome to higher education. | |
01:12 | pianohack | Indeed |
01:12 | Glad to be at school, but it changes your priorities when you're not looking | |
01:18 | jcamins | Yeah, it does that. |
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01:29 | jcamins | pianohack: how did your finals go? |
01:30 | pianohack | Nothing too crazy this first semester, think I did well |
01:30 | It's next semester that'll be evil, with physics and calc 2 | |
01:30 | Brooke | /me shudders. |
01:32 | pianohack | Physics is supposedly one of the "weed-out" classes, so I might disappear again for a while :P |
01:33 | * Brooke | rolls her eyes. |
01:35 | Brooke | I have never understood the whole "weeding out" thing outside of the Forces. |
01:37 | eter | ok so i've successfully installed koha (i'm a system amin that never had to do library before) now i want to configure koha with ldap think i see somewhere that it is possible, the potential users of this system already have id numbers which i want koha to use, i also have the users in ldap groups which i want to use as koha permissions |
01:38 | jcamins | I don't know anything about LDAP, sorry. |
01:38 | pianohack | Brooke: The official reason is they want to find out who "really wants an education" |
01:38 | Also known as the most crazy/obedient | |
01:39 | eter: You might try a message to the mailing list; Joe Atzberger (atz) is very knowledgable about LDAP | |
01:41 | eter | ok, we currently moving from a manual system where things were done by hand, is it possible that if i get a bunch of guys to start type data such as author title pub etc in a spreadsheet it will be importable into koha? |
01:42 | pianohack | Yup, there are ways to get that data into Koha |
01:42 | If possible, you might try just cataloging the books in Koha, though | |
01:42 | Brooke | *nod* |
01:43 | you can rig ISBNs to MARCedit and play fetch, too. | |
01:43 | eter | any pointer into the right diretion would be extremely welcomed |
01:43 | pianohack | There's usually a few issues with importing, and entering them directly into Koha allows you to download information from other library's catalogs to make the records nicer |
01:43 | Ooh, hadn't thought of that | |
01:43 | Brooke | however, you get the effort you put in. |
01:43 | pianohack | eter: Is this a conventional public library with reasonably common books, or a specialized collection? |
01:44 | eter | its a school...truth is i'm not knowledgeable on their collection, they just called me in to help them |
01:45 | jcamins | eter: what kind of school? |
01:45 | Generally speaking, I mean. | |
01:45 | eter | college |
01:46 | Brooke | :/ |
01:46 | I feel like we need an a/s/l for collections. | |
01:47 | eter | i figur they might have things like research papers and so on...just speculating |
01:47 | Brooke | the key is to find a similar collection and mine it for data. |
01:47 | eter | a/sl ...age sex location? |
01:47 | Brooke | but even there, there will always be tricky records |
01:47 | eter | ok |
01:47 | jcamins | eter: if they catalog research papers, they are totally SOL wrt copy cataloging. |
01:47 | Brooke | expect about 85/15 no matter what. |
01:47 | * Brooke | agrees with jcamins. |
01:47 | * jcamins | works at a library which catalogs papers separately |
01:48 | eter | whats SOL wrt? ); |
01:48 | out of luck? | |
01:48 | lol | |
01:48 | Brooke | ayep |
01:48 | jcamins | Errr... stuck out of luck with regards to |
01:49 | eter | hhmm lol |
01:50 | i was thinking that maybe i should give them the staff interface and let them start using it for populating the data...but being a newwbie to koha myself i'm still here trying to find videos to teach them how to add the data | |
01:51 | whilst trying to find a way to adapt the interface to a theme of their liking | |
01:51 | jcamins | eter: there are a bunch of videos by nengard. |
01:51 | And perhaps Brooke knows where. :) | |
01:52 | Brooke | >.> |
01:52 | <.< | |
01:52 | I keep telling people 1) the tapes never existed. | |
01:52 | and 2) I didn't steal them | |
01:53 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_Tutorials | |
01:54 | eter | lol Brooke maybe the garbage man did |
01:55 | Brooke | Yes...that's the ticket... |
01:56 | jcamins | Argh! |
01:57 | For future reference, document.ready and document.load are not interchangeable. | |
01:57 | (not that I thought they were, I just didn't realize I was editing document.load) | |
02:01 | pianohack | Even worse, it's window.load |
02:01 | Always annoyed me | |
02:01 | Yay, installed Koha on Maverick w/o CPAN | |
02:02 | chris_n++ # koha_perl_deps.pl is wonderful | |
02:03 | eter | i found two of nengards videos is there more? |
02:03 | Brooke | prolly a tonne |
02:04 | jcamins | koha_perl_deps.pl? |
02:04 | I don't think that's the one I use... | |
02:05 | No, I use apt-get-debian-lenny.pl | |
02:05 | How does koha_perl_deps.pl help you avoid CPAN? | |
02:15 | Wow. Apparently the Koha repository has increased in size by 50% since May. | |
02:17 | eter | found some pdfs form nexpress here http://www.nexpresslibrary.org[…]s-september-2010/ hopefully good enough |
02:18 | jcamins, does that translate to more productivity? | |
02:18 | jcamins | eter: I have no idea. |
02:19 | I do know it translates to 50% longer download times, though. ;) | |
02:21 | pianohack++ | |
02:22 | pianohack: any chance you could file a bug and attach your patch to the bug? | |
02:22 | pianohack | jcamins: Well, the lovely ubuntu packagers help you avoid having to install from CPAN, koha_perl_deps.pl helps you make sure you've installed everything right without constantly reloading the page in the installer; that was a pain |
02:22 | jcamins: Sure, one sec | |
02:22 | jcamins | pianohack: ah, got it. That makes sense. |
02:24 | eter | i thought that dublincore package wasnt in maveric |
02:26 | jcamins | pianohack: thanks! |
02:26 | pianohack | jcamins: np |
02:26 | wow, you're on top of things | |
02:26 | Brooke | eter: you must be this tall to ride DC |
02:26 | pianohack | Koha cyborg implant working for you? :) |
02:27 | (also, create the bug, assign it to myself, attach the patch, then mark it RESOLVED FIXED?) | |
02:27 | jcamins | pianohack: create the bug, assign to yourself, and I'll sign off on it, and send it to the list. |
02:27 | And mark the status signed-off. | |
02:45 | Brooke | cheers lads. |
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02:45 | jcamins | pianohack: how do you use dpkg --set-selections? |
02:47 | Ah, got it. | |
02:48 | No, just kidding, I'm confused. | |
02:49 | I apparently don't have dselect. | |
02:50 | eter | aptitude install dselect |
02:51 | jcamins | Cool, thanks. |
02:51 | That worked. | |
02:51 | :D | |
02:55 | pianohack | jcamins: Don't even need that |
02:55 | Just run apt-get dselect-upgrade | |
02:55 | jcamins: Also, I did that bug a bit wrong, but will remember for the next :P | |
02:57 | jcamins | Okay, now, can I configure nullmailer with Google Apps... |
02:58 | Yep, looks like I can. | |
03:00 | wasabi | http://it.slashdot.org/story/1[…]ver-Wikileaksinfo |
03:01 | … a new twist to wikileaks | |
03:05 | pianohack | Hmm. Does Koha still care about your ParserDetails.ini? Thought I saw a patch to fix that |
03:05 | jcamins | pianohack: yeah, it does. |
03:05 | pianohack | Dammit |
03:05 | Okay, thanks | |
03:05 | jcamins | There's been some discussion about whether it *really* matters, but no one can figure out what the problem was originally. |
03:06 | pianohack | Was some encoding issue, no? |
03:09 | jcamins | Yeah, but the official bug report was "it doesn't work. |
03:12 | INSTALL.debian? | |
03:13 | ibot | rumour has it INSTALL.debian is at git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian |
03:13 | jcamins | Thanks, ibot. |
03:13 | ibot | jcamins: no problem |
03:13 | wasabi | i bumped into a install problem with an incorrect ParserDetails.ini file recently |
03:14 | so i think Koha does depend on being correct, still... | |
03:14 | jcamins | Yeah, it does. |
03:15 | My understanding is that 3 of the four options *might* work. | |
03:15 | (and the fourth definitely doesn't) | |
03:18 | pianohack | ibot: Well, hello there |
03:18 | ibot | pianohack: i'm not following you... |
03:18 | pianohack | Casual conversation is a lost art |
03:23 | jcamins | Okay, that didn't work. |
03:24 | Wait, I know why. | |
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03:26 | kevinD | Hi |
03:26 | Anyone around | |
03:27 | jcamins | @later tell hdl Sorry if I spammed koha-patches. I'm having some problems. |
03:27 | munin | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
03:27 | jcamins | Anyway, good night, #koha |
03:27 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_a | |
03:31 | kevinD | I have a question about install if anyone is free |
03:38 | pianohack | kevinD: I'm around, everyone else might be asleep |
03:38 | What's up? | |
03:43 | kevinD | Hi I am familiar with Drupal |
03:43 | Just wondering about the instal with Koha | |
03:43 | pianohack | Okay |
03:43 | kevinD: What's your question? | |
03:44 | From what I remember of installing Drupal, they are kind of different | |
03:44 | kevinD | How complicated is the install with kohl |
03:44 | I have installed Drupa a few times using MAMP | |
03:45 | Do you have a similar setup with kohl ? | |
03:45 | Kohl | |
03:45 | Koha | |
03:46 | Sorry iPad changes the words | |
03:46 | Pianohack are you still here | |
03:47 | pianohack | Sorry, doing two things at once |
03:47 | Let me look up mamp | |
03:47 | Ah, ok | |
03:47 | kevinD | That was local |
03:47 | pianohack | Umm, installing Koha on Mac OS X is really painful, last I heard, if you're considering that |
03:47 | Various issues with getting everything installed correctly | |
03:48 | kevinD | I do work for a non profit, they have a quilt museum that needs a database for library |
03:48 | pianohack | Okay |
03:48 | Are you familiar at all with Linux? | |
03:48 | kevinD | So I told them I would look into it before I gave them a answer |
03:48 | No really some UNIX | |
03:49 | not fluent | |
03:49 | pianohack | Okay |
03:49 | Koha is easiest to install on either Debian or Ubuntu Linux | |
03:49 | kevinD | I have heard of Drupal installed on ubuntu |
03:49 | pianohack | If you're not familiar with Linux, there's a few options |
03:49 | kevinD | I am all ears |
03:50 | Eyes I guess | |
03:50 | pianohack | Download the Koha live CD and try it out; you burn it to a CD-R, then boot your computer from it. No commitment or installation |
03:50 | kevinD | Ok |
03:51 | pianohack | Or, use the virtual machine images; you download them, then run them within Mac OS X or whatever using VMWare Player or Virtualbox (both free) |
03:51 | http://kylehall.info/index.php[…]irtual-appliance/ for that | |
03:51 | Or just install Ubuntu on a spare machien | |
03:51 | *machine | |
03:51 | Very easy these days | |
03:51 | You can even install it side-by-side with Mac OS X with a little work | |
03:52 | First one is the easiest, but you can't do anything very interesting with it | |
03:52 | Second is slightly harder, but works well | |
03:52 | Third is the hardest, but allows you the most room to work down the road | |
03:52 | kevinD | That sounds fantastic thanks so much for your help |
03:52 | pianohack | If you like the way you get that machine with Ubuntu on it set up, you could even just take it to the nonprofit and let them run Koha off of it |
03:53 | kevinD: np | |
03:53 | There's usually someone here on IRC if you have questions | |
03:53 | kevinD | Thanks |
03:53 | pianohack | Mailing lists are also available; take longer, but more people |
03:53 | ibot | okay, pianohack. |
03:53 | pianohack | good luck |
03:53 | I think I just confused the bot | |
03:53 | Mailing lists? | |
03:53 | ibot | Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ or available; take longer, but more people |
03:54 | pianohack | No, mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
03:54 | no, Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ | |
03:54 | Whatever, silly bot | |
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04:01 | pianohack | brendan_l left, hmm |
04:01 | brendan: around? | |
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04:14 | wasabi | Mailing lists? |
04:14 | ibot | Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ or available; take longer, but more people |
04:14 | wasabi | Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
04:16 | pianohack | Mailing lists? |
04:16 | ibot | Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ or available; take longer, but more people |
04:16 | pianohack | It's being pretty stubborn about it |
04:17 | Okay, there. You have to address the correction syntax directly to ibot | |
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04:35 | wasabi | Mailing lists? |
04:35 | ibot | Mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
04:35 | wasabi | ;) |
04:35 | ibot: ibot is silly | |
04:35 | ibot | ...but ibot is a clever being... |
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04:46 | pianohack | wasabi: Hey, do you know if I should RESOLVED/WORKSFORME a rel_3_2 bug that I only know is fixed in HEAD? |
04:55 | wasabi | put that in the bug's comments |
04:56 | … but its still a bug for 3_2, until its backported from HEAD back to 3_2 (i think?) | |
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06:28 | pianohack | wasabi, since you're the only person awake at 11:30 MST on a saturday; what do you think of a commandline syspref setting/getting/dumping tool? |
06:28 | Would be a fun airplane hack tomorrow | |
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06:30 | kmkale | hi all |
06:30 | pianohack | Hallo |
06:30 | How might we help you this fine evening? | |
06:32 | kmkale | hi pianohack |
06:39 | pianohack | Hi kmkale |
06:39 | chris | pianohack: i think it would be great, then we could set up profiles |
06:40 | and have the installer use them | |
06:40 | pianohack | Okay |
06:40 | chris | 'small public library' |
06:40 | pianohack | YAML dumps marked with a minimum version tag sound good? |
06:41 | chris | sounds good to me |
06:41 | also handy for support companies | |
06:41 | to recreate a setup to test | |
06:41 | pianohack | Very much |
06:42 | kmkale | hi chris |
06:42 | pianohack | Of course, profiles for the admin/ settings in general would be handy |
06:42 | but one step at a time | |
06:42 | chris | yep |
06:51 | kmkale | @weather Mumbai |
06:51 | munin | kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 28.0�C (11:40 AM IST on December 19, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
06:55 | pianohack | Weathertime! @weather Trinidad, CO |
06:55 | @weather Trinidad, CO | |
06:55 | munin | pianohack: The current temperature in Near Trinidad State Junior College, Trinidad, Colorado is -1.7�C (11:58 PM MST on December 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady). High wind watch in effect from Sunday afternoon through Monday afternoon... |
07:00 | pianohack | If the humidity is 78% in this desert wasteland, my name is Shirley |
07:00 | (don't call me surely) | |
07:00 | though actually | |
07:00 | kmkale: "Conditions: Smoke"? What's going on in your part of the world? | |
07:01 | kmkale | pianohack: its always smokey in Mumbai |
07:01 | too many people and vehicles :( | |
07:01 | pianohack | Ah, yeah, the Beijing effect |
07:02 | Sorry, that doesn't sound very pleasant | |
07:02 | kmkale | its not as bad as it sounds |
07:02 | its a nice sunny clear day outside | |
07:02 | pianohack | Yeah, that would make it better |
07:03 | Cloudy days probably aren't fun, though | |
07:05 | kmkale | this is the best season of the year around here |
07:06 | in monsoon it rains way too much and in summer its very hot and humid | |
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08:19 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4286 Allow receiving if subscription enddate not set <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0417b965614f7be68> / Fix for Bug 5518 - Add to shelf icon doesn't appear in OPAC results page <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d1b1318b4bfe12d75> / Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_4908' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.o |
08:29 | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5446' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]72dcbb96dd558b411> / Bug 5446 Fix a bug introduces by previous patch <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0db3187a8eb6c2a04> | |
08:29 | hudsonbot | Starting build 230 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #188 12 days ago) |
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08:53 | hudsonbot | Project Koha_Master build #230: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/230/ |
08:53 | * Owen Leonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 5285, adding missing CSS | |
08:53 | * Owen Leonard: Follow-up patch for Bug 4908, show patron's home library in OPAC | |
08:53 | * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5518 - Add to shelf icon doesn't appear in OPAC results page | |
08:53 | * Colin Campbell: Bug 4286 Allow receiving if subscription enddate not set | |
08:53 | * Frédéric Demians: Bug 5446 Fix a bug introduces by previous patch | |
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09:09 | cait | hi #koha |
09:12 | chris | hi cait |
09:12 | cait | hi chris |
09:12 | you were pushing patches when I went to bed... and now you are still pushing patches ;) | |
09:12 | chris | heh |
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09:22 | * cait | goes to check on her fudge |
09:23 | cait | yummy - and it got harder, so there is a chance to cut it into pieces now :) |
09:24 | jransom++ for great fudge recipes | |
09:24 | chris: what is the status of the template toolkit work? | |
09:27 | chris | would it be wrong to reply to david lang saying send a patch |
09:28 | cait: i think everything except the umlauts is fixed | |
09:28 | cait | chris: those crazy umluats |
09:29 | chris: so want me to test? or test something else? | |
09:29 | looking for sunday projects :) | |
09:29 | chris | testing would be good |
09:29 | replying to david lang saying he could report his suggestions in bugzilla, and/or send patches | |
09:30 | would be good too | |
09:30 | or probably better, just ignore it | |
09:30 | im pretty sure he only ever posts to annoy people | |
09:30 | cait | I opt for the second |
09:31 | I would add: don't install the sample data, if you don't want it ;) | |
09:31 | chris | yeah |
09:31 | and i have done installs on databases not named koha plenty of times | |
09:31 | the installer never creates the db | |
09:31 | cait | ah right |
09:31 | chris | you have to do it yourself |
09:32 | whatever name you call it | |
09:32 | cait | and give this to the installer |
09:32 | chris | (unless you use the packages) |
09:32 | yeah | |
09:32 | like the INSTALL files tell you | |
09:32 | cait | I think my coworker was thinking about using the ISIL as name |
09:32 | not sure he did for the new installations | |
09:35 | ran into the language detection problem again | |
09:35 | hmpf | |
09:36 | I already updated the bug, will note in on the wiki page too | |
09:36 | chris | cool |
09:37 | cait | it's an annoying bug |
09:38 | chris | yup |
09:44 | cait | fredericd++ |
09:44 | [2] For sysprefs, quoted text wasn't properly retrieved from .po file and so | |
09:44 | quoted strings wasn't translatable. | |
09:44 | that was another very annoying bug | |
09:45 | and the reason why I refused to translate my pref file yesterday - because I had already translated those things like a dozen times :) | |
09:45 | chris | :) |
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10:47 | ivanc | hi #koha |
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11:05 | cait | hi ivanc :) |
11:05 | ivanc | hi cait :) |
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11:07 | magnus | kia ora, #koha |
11:08 | @wunder bodo, norway | |
11:08 | munin | magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0�C (11:50 AM CET on December 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -16.0�C. Windchill: -17.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
11:25 | cait | hi magnus |
11:25 | @wunder Konstanz | |
11:25 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.2�C (12:25 PM CET on December 19, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1001.9 hPa (Falling). |
11:29 | magnus | hi cait |
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13:21 | nengard | Anyone awake? Waiting for a plane .. trying to stay awake |
13:37 | * jcamins_a | is now |
13:37 | jcamins_a is now known as jcamins | |
13:38 | cait | me is |
13:38 | not really... but it's not the right time to sleep here | |
13:38 | where are you flying to? | |
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13:46 | jcamins | So, how are things, cait? |
13:46 | cait | lazy sunday |
13:46 | jcamins | Uh-oh... my VM had a status of "Aborted." I hope I didn't break something. |
13:47 | cait | have you seen my follow up to 5226= |
13:47 | ? | |
13:48 | jcamins | I had not. |
13:48 | It makes sense to me. | |
13:49 | cait | I forgot about it - stumbled on my bookmark earlier today |
13:49 | I tried jo's fudge recipe | |
13:49 | jcamins | How was it? |
13:50 | cait | but I used too much condensed milk I think - it tastes very yummy, but is too soft and sticky to be cut into pieces |
13:50 | I added cranberries and walnuts instead of cashews | |
13:50 | jcamins | Actually, you probably just undercooked it. |
13:50 | cait | and I think I got the soft ball stage right this time... perhaps |
13:50 | *sigh* I feared you would say something like that :) | |
13:50 | jcamins | Because that sounds like it didn't set. |
13:51 | cait | hm |
13:51 | it's a soft brown | |
13:51 | light brown | |
13:51 | and the upper side is dry and ok, but on the bottom it's still a bit too sticky | |
13:51 | sticks to my baking paper | |
13:51 | I was able to form the ball in the cold water | |
13:52 | perhaps I have to get a sugar thermometer | |
13:52 | kmkale | hi cait |
13:52 | cait | hi kmkale |
13:52 | kmkale | hi jcamins |
13:52 | aahh food talk :) | |
13:52 | cait | we are discussing food - you are right in time :) |
13:53 | kmkale | aahh food talk :) |
13:53 | cait | hehe |
13:53 | kmkale | echo? |
13:53 | cait | jcamins: do you have a tip get it into smaller pieces? |
13:53 | kmkale | no worries I am home and munching away on fried stuff myself ;) |
13:53 | cait | I was thinking about turning it around and try to let the other side dry a little |
13:54 | jcamins | Hm. Yeah, I'd try that. |
13:55 | Also, did you try sticking it in the refrigerator? | |
13:59 | cait | no |
13:59 | but I can try that too :) | |
14:00 | jcamins | @later tell chris I signed off on the patch for bug 5520, but couldn't send it to koha-patches, so I attached it to the bug. |
14:00 | munin | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
14:25 | jcamins | Wow! |
14:25 | Seamless mode is really cool! | |
14:27 | kmkale | whats seamless mode jcamins? |
14:28 | jcamins | Instead of running in a window, the VM fills my entire screen, and there are no scrollbars. |
14:28 | kmkale | virtualbox? |
14:29 | jcamins | Right. |
14:29 | cait | I love working without vm now on my older laptop with linu |
14:29 | x | |
14:29 | so much more fun | |
14:30 | it's great to do koha dev things :) | |
14:30 | but I always had only the server edition of ubuntu installed - no desktop | |
14:31 | switching computers - will be back in 5 | |
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14:31 | kmkale | jcan does virtualbox support kvm? |
14:31 | sorry jcamins ^^ | |
14:33 | jcamins | kmkale: you don't need a separate kvm switch. |
14:33 | It runs on the same computer. | |
14:34 | kmkale | jcamins: i meant the kernel virtualization |
14:34 | jcamins | Oh. |
14:34 | Hm. | |
14:34 | I don't think so. | |
14:34 | VirtualBox virtualizes the entire system. | |
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14:35 | cait1 | hi again |
14:35 | my windows thinks it's 5 june 2005? | |
14:36 | kmkale | i use qemu-kvm |
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14:44 | jcamins | kmkale: I switched to a Mac. ;) |
14:44 | kmkale | cool |
14:45 | jcamins | (so qemu-kvm isn't going to work for me) |
14:45 | kmkale | I bought a dell N4010 4gb ram, core i3 370, 500gb hdd under usd700 |
14:45 | jcamins | Yeah, computers are ridiculously cheap. |
14:45 | kmkale | setting it up right now |
14:46 | ubuntu 10.10 works like a charm on it | |
14:50 | jcamins | Hm. Cloning a 5GB hard drive image takes a while, apparently. |
14:51 | Thankfully not as long as people are reporting it will. | |
14:51 | Oh, apparently I could have just used cp to clone it. | |
14:52 | Hm. Maybe just five minutes. | |
14:57 | kmkale | ooo 3g rollout has finally started in India. Cant wait to get connected |
15:03 | * cait | hands out small fudge quarters to everybody around |
15:04 | jcamins | Mmm, thank you. |
15:04 | kmkale | thanks cait |
15:04 | jcamins | Not even vaguely Koha-related, but very cute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm3dm5J5r0A |
15:06 | * kmkale | is a dog person |
15:09 | cait | lol |
15:24 | jcamins | Non-profits. |
15:25 | May the Koha deities defend us from non-profit administration. | |
15:49 | cait | hm, waht are the attributes of the koha deities? |
15:49 | a barcode scanner, a learning perl book and... | |
15:49 | jcamins | Hm. |
15:50 | An RMS miniature? | |
15:53 | cait | hehe |
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19:06 | @wunder Konstanz | |
19:06 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0�C (8:00 PM CET on December 19, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.52 in 1000 hPa (Falling). |
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19:29 | richard | hi |
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19:33 | chris | morning |
19:33 | jwagner | good [select your time of day] |
19:34 | richard | hi chris and jwagner |
19:34 | cait | hi chris jawagner and richard |
19:36 | druthb | hi, chris, jwagner, and richard, and cait. :D |
19:36 | cait | hi druthb :) |
19:36 | chris | jcamins_a: thanks for the signoff, will push that now, as its a no harm change |
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19:37 | jcamins | chris: thanks. |
19:37 | * druthb | notes that the Ashes is at 1-each. |
19:38 | chris | yeah england collapsed bad |
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19:42 | chris | hi Brooke and hdl |
19:43 | Brooke | Tēnā koutou |
19:43 | hdl | hi all |
19:43 | druthb | hi, Brooke. :) |
19:43 | * Brooke | winks at druthb |
19:43 | * druthb | winks back. |
19:44 | cait | hi Brooke |
19:44 | Brooke | howdy |
19:44 | ibot | hi, Brooke |
19:45 | * Brooke | feels the love. |
19:45 | druthb | ibot: Brooke? |
19:45 | ibot | Brooke is certainly gonna go |
19:45 | Brooke | ibot: be ruth |
19:45 | ibot | Brooke: i'm not following you... |
19:45 | Brooke | ibot: be druthb |
19:45 | ibot | Harrumph! |
19:45 | druthb | hehehehehe |
19:46 | ibot: be cait | |
19:46 | ibot | druthb: what? |
19:47 | chris | hdl: i think a meeting on persistance would be good |
19:47 | hdl | hi. |
19:47 | chris | i have been running circ under plack for 3 weeks now, and it hasnt exploded yet |
19:48 | hdl | nice. |
19:48 | chris | but there are places where we need to change code, (any place we use memoize without a timeout etc) |
19:49 | hdl | Is it in production for one of your sites ? or is it just testing. |
19:49 | ? | |
19:49 | chris | its on a very low usage prodcution site |
19:49 | hdl | yes... and we would need to place flush_cache wherever parameters are edited. |
19:49 | chris | hoping to move it to higher usage one when we fix the data persistance problems |
19:49 | yep | |
19:49 | exactly | |
19:50 | hdl | have you tried the remove_items branch ? I think that then Plack would not be needed for that one ? How were is your circ performing using Plack ? |
19:51 | chris | its not much faster |
19:51 | because yes, its the parsing xml that is slow | |
19:51 | hdl | (mmm no, it would be needed for circulation parameters.) |
19:51 | chris | but it is much more scalable |
19:51 | ie, it doesnt slow down | |
19:52 | whereas if you put apache under load, you can break it | |
19:52 | plack + caching = faster | |
19:52 | (in code caching) | |
19:52 | but we dont do a lot of that, because without persistance there is no point | |
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19:53 | chris | but once we are running in a persistant way, we can do smarter things |
19:53 | hdl | I think so... |
19:53 | chris | (and not just cache the db query, cache the processed result) |
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19:58 | hdl | when should we schedule the meeting ? |
19:58 | chris | i think will have to wait til after xmas? |
19:59 | maybe in between christmas and new year? | |
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20:03 | hdl | chris.... I would not be there. |
20:03 | (I am supposed to be on holiday. | |
20:03 | ) | |
20:04 | (But maybe we could arrange some meeting though.... It really IS important) | |
20:04 | chris | ahh, after new years then? |
20:04 | cait | I think most people will be away |
20:05 | but a lot of people might be interested - better give them a chance to participate | |
20:05 | Brooke | this is why I had a pickle of a time coming up with the wiki, blank as it was. |
20:06 | chris | chris_n: you recommend a revert for 5373 ? |
20:07 | hdl | cait: a lot of people may be interested but they also will be able to read the logs.... |
20:07 | cait | hdl: I think after new year should be ok - a discussion can only take place if there are people to discuss things |
20:07 | jcamins | hdl: but reading the logs is not the same as participating. |
20:08 | Brooke | aye, it would also give you time to relax, cher. |
20:08 | hdl | anyway, such a meeting would have to be prepared, with some testing instance of code... And some work being prepared... |
20:08 | So after new year would be great. | |
20:10 | but the longer we take to organize, the shorter time will be to get things done. | |
20:10 | Brooke | aye. |
20:10 | * Brooke | thinks January will be quite a busy meeting month. |
20:11 | hdl | tic tac tic tac |
20:11 | Brooke | The doormouse is asleep again. |
20:17 | chris | cait: you around for a litte bit longer? |
20:17 | cait | yes |
20:17 | chris | could you please do some screenshots of the umlaut problem you had with TT ? |
20:17 | cait | you can easily reproduce it I think by setting up a database with german sample date - but of course will do |
20:18 | I am on the other laptop right now, will do after the film is over - that ok? | |
20:18 | I found some ohter things - there is a problem with patron search | |
20:19 | looks like the translation problems changed a , into comma | |
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20:24 | jcamins | ibot: jo's food blog? |
20:24 | ibot | jcamins: i don't know |
20:25 | * Brooke | gasps at ibot's recalcitrance. |
20:25 | jcamins | Brooke: cait: any idea? |
20:25 | Brooke | http://lesttheybelost.blogspot.com/ |
20:25 | cait | huh? |
20:25 | jcamins | Thanks! |
20:26 | Jo's food blog is at http://lesttheybelost.blogspot.com/ | |
20:26 | cait: never mind. | |
20:26 | * Brooke | is just this side of safe from being replaced by a chat bot a bit longer/ |
20:26 | cait | sorry, tatort |
20:27 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatort | |
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20:40 | cait | ok, film over |
20:40 | chris? | |
20:40 | ibot | rumour has it chris is awesome |
20:40 | cait | ibot botsnack fudge |
20:40 | ibot | :) |
20:41 | chris | ah ok, yep after the film is fine |
20:42 | cait | after the film is now ;) |
20:42 | any special wished? and have you checked the updates on the wiki pages? | |
20:43 | chris | chris just asked for screenshots of the umlaut problem .. oh if you could send us some marc records with umlauts that would be handy too |
20:43 | ill ask him to hop on here | |
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20:43 | chris | there he is ;) |
20:43 | chrisdoth meet cait, who has been testing your work ;) | |
20:43 | * cait | waves to chrisdoth |
20:44 | * Brooke | wave to chris. |
20:44 | chrisdoth | hello cait and chris :) |
20:44 | * chrisdoth | waves back to everyone :) |
20:44 | cait | chris told me to make screenshots of the umlaut problem, but I think it should be easily reproducable too |
20:45 | chris | if you could send us some marc records with the umlauts in them, then we can load them in to test |
20:45 | cait | what I did right now was create a new library with code TEST and name äüäßÄÖÜ |
20:45 | chris | ahh easy |
20:45 | cait | chris: it's not the umlauts |
20:45 | ah not the records | |
20:45 | did not really test that yet | |
20:45 | the problems I reported is all data from the database | |
20:45 | chris | ahh i thought it was the records |
20:45 | (cos they are in the db too) | |
20:46 | cait | there is one problem spotted in the records too - but did not really test that yet |
20:46 | right :) | |
20:46 | let me create a record next | |
20:46 | the library name is broken after saving | |
20:46 | Brooke | http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin[…]01219154838&SID=1 |
20:46 | which is amusingly busted | |
20:46 | * Brooke | titters. |
20:46 | cait | in display on the front page and when you open it for edit |
20:47 | Brooke: the umlauts there are broken too - but that's because of the normalization | |
20:47 | the dots should be over the letters, not beside | |
20:47 | Brooke | but they aren't on the search screen |
20:47 | chris | Brooke: has that got anything to do with the template toolkit stuff? |
20:47 | Brooke | so I suspect it is a matter of display |
20:48 | * chris | suspects not |
20:48 | cait | Brooke: it's the normalization - trust me :) |
20:48 | Brooke | I will trust you then. |
20:48 | cait | they make u + dots in utf-8 - that is vlaid, but the browsers have problems |
20:48 | chris | right .. back to the template toolkit work |
20:48 | so saving a branch name, ends up with the branch name messed up | |
20:48 | Brooke | just looked fine from |
20:48 | http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin[…]hist=1&type=quick | |
20:48 | cait | that's why we do some things to our data before loading into koha - making it a one character ü |
20:49 | chris: right | |
20:49 | chris | and you are about to test a record? |
20:49 | cait | and that happens in a lot of places I tested |
20:49 | yep, can do that now | |
20:49 | but the display is broken in a lot of places | |
20:49 | you can test that with itemtype too and other things, it's always the same | |
20:50 | my new record button does not work | |
20:50 | chris | right, so we just need to check if its records too |
20:50 | hdl | good day nz and good night europa |
20:50 | chris | cait: can you load one in? |
20:50 | or just edit an existing one? | |
20:50 | cait | yeah, but have to find one with real umlauts first |
20:51 | not so easy | |
20:51 | or manipulate a loaded one... but add the button to the list | |
20:51 | chris | yup |
20:51 | cool, that should give us some stuff too look at :) | |
20:51 | i suspect fixing the branchname .. will fix it everywhere | |
20:52 | cait | yep, that's what I think too |
20:52 | http://www.fernstudiert.de/fer[…]emplate_toolkit&s[]=toolkit - I updated and added some new things | |
20:53 | chris | cool chrisdoth can now reproduce it, thanks heaps cait |
20:53 | cait | no problem |
20:53 | chris | and its perfectly fine in master .. so its stored ok in the db |
20:53 | just displayed wrong | |
20:53 | cait | yep |
20:56 | hm I see some problems in cataloging | |
20:56 | the forms are broken a little too | |
20:56 | chris | yup, that's expected |
20:57 | can you note it down though please | |
20:57 | cait | funny, the record looks quite good |
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20:57 | chris | :) |
20:58 | * Brooke | mutters at the renaming of things. |
20:59 | cait | chris: ok, from all tabs in details only normal is borken |
20:59 | broken | |
20:59 | chris | oh interesting |
20:59 | cait | with xslt display on |
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20:59 | cait | always speaking about staff at the moment |
21:00 | chris | yup |
21:00 | cait | it's ok without xslt |
21:00 | chris | k |
21:00 | and is it umlaut problem again or a different one? | |
21:01 | cait | talking about umlauts now |
21:01 | chris | k |
21:01 | cait | reported some other problems on the wiki |
21:01 | chris | ta |
21:01 | cait | no worries :) |
21:02 | not complaining - i think it works great. we only need to fix some gliches | |
21:02 | chris | no worries, we know you arent complaining, testing only works if people report the bugs :) |
21:03 | cait | good :) |
21:03 | and tell it the other chris too - his work is great :) | |
21:04 | chrisdoth++ | |
21:04 | chrisdoth | cait: thank you very much :) |
21:04 | cait | ah, still listening :) |
21:04 | * Brooke | points out that Koha has a cadre of Chrises. |
21:05 | chrisdoth | cait: im still here, just trying to track down one of the bugs you mentioned :p |
21:05 | chris | man i love git |
21:05 | cait | git++ |
21:06 | chris | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4f11bb969213c315b |
21:06 | too easy | |
21:06 | git + branches = pull things out if they fail testing easily | |
21:06 | cait | :) |
21:06 | ok, will change the chat to the computer where koha is | |
21:07 | will be back shortly | |
21:07 | chris | cool |
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21:07 | cait | back |
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21:09 | * Brooke | waves to rachel |
21:22 | * cait | puts a plate with more fudge in the middle of koha |
21:22 | cait | #koha |
21:23 | jcamins | Mmmm! |
21:23 | I wanted to make fudge, but I don't think I can, since I don't have much sugar. | |
21:23 | Brooke | nomnomnomnomnom |
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21:23 | Brooke | hooray :D |
21:24 | cait | yeah, you really need a lot of sugar |
21:24 | chris: have to run a marathon now... | |
21:24 | Brooke | not as much as I need an Ubuntu package. |
21:24 | jcamins | So I think I might make these http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/[…]77-234202,00.html |
21:24 | Brooke | meh. |
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21:24 | Brooke | not nearly as sexy as fudge. |
21:25 | jcamins | No, but requires far less sugar. |
21:25 | Brooke | peanut butter + oatmeal = sacriledge. |
21:25 | jcamins | Too healthy? |
21:26 | Brooke | no, it's sitting on the fence. |
21:26 | I mean, you either want slutty (chocolate + peanut butter) | |
21:26 | or healthy (oatmeal + raisin) | |
21:26 | that thar is the conservadem of cookies. | |
21:27 | jcamins | Yeah, that's true. But I don't have chocolate, either. Just cocoa powder. |
21:27 | And I already made brownies. | |
21:27 | Brooke | clearly you need a care package. |
21:27 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 3262 - OPAC needs syspref to show homebranch on detail page <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6566b0079000078a8> |
21:47 | magnus_a | good night #koha |
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21:47 | cait | night magnus |
21:47 | sleep well | |
21:47 | ah, too slow... | |
21:47 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5283' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f4fca2b0502bcd9cc> / Bug 5283 Follow up, fixing broken template syntax <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9c66663e1af52d174> |
21:48 | Brooke | you and me both, Cait. |
21:48 | cait | yeah, too slow in 2 windows |
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21:48 | Chris Cormack: Revert "Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5373' into kcmaster" | |
21:49 | cait | this fudge is trying to lure me to the fridge.. |
21:49 | * cait | tries to ignore it |
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21:50 | * druthb | is being lured to cait's fridge by the fudge. |
21:51 | cait | hehe |
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21:55 | * jwagner | goes off to salvage the rest of my weekend |
21:55 | jwagner | Bye all. |
21:55 | druthb | see ya, Jane. |
21:55 | Brooke | see ya |
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22:11 | * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3262 - OPAC needs syspref to show homebranch on detail page | |
22:11 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 5283 Follow up, fixing broken template syntax | |
22:29 | * chris | waits for indexes to rebuild |
22:30 | * Brooke | plays sticks with Chris while he waits. |
22:31 | cait | sticks? |
22:31 | Brooke | have a picture. |
22:31 | http://maorilifestyles.blogspo[…]-stick-games.html | |
22:32 | chrisdoth | I remember playing that in primary school... |
22:33 | cait | thx Brooke |
22:34 | Brooke | :) |
22:34 | robin | yeah, I remember that too. Was no good at it though :) |
22:35 | chris | Heh robin and I reply at the same time |
22:35 | robin | yeah, I was going to call 'snap' :) |
22:37 | cait | ok, bed time :) |
22:37 | Brooke | night |
22:38 | cait | don't break koha while I am sleeping ;) |
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22:47 | Brooke | I'm off to get some master broth from the Chinese place and mebbe some happy Chicken, Broccoli & Garlic sauce. |
22:47 | should do in the last of this cobe. | |
22:47 | robin | mm food. |
22:48 | Brooke left #koha | |
22:48 | robin | Almost lunch time here |
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23:41 | chris | back |
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