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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:00 | Brooke | right over to WoW properly before I bust things with too many damn windows. |
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| 04:58 | kmkale | good morning |
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| 05:35 | jcamins | Weird... |
| 05:35 | Not that I use circulation, but doesn't Koha support checking out books to patrons of other branches? | |
| 05:39 | kmkale | hi jcamins |
| 05:40 | jcamins | Good... morning? |
| 05:40 | kmkale | jcamins: independent branches off? |
| 05:40 | jcamins | No idea. |
| 05:40 | I just read the article from the library in Indiana. | |
| 05:40 | kmkale | ? |
| 05:41 | jcamins | http://www.emeraldinsight.com/[…]volume=59&issue=9 |
| 05:41 | Cutting the proprietary cord by John Helling. | |
| 05:41 | Sadly not OA. | |
| 05:42 | But then, the entire issue manages to come across as vaguely anti-OSS. | |
| 05:43 | * kmkale | is reading |
| 05:43 | jcamins | One of the reasons they decided not to use Koha is because "Koha could not recognize the fact that patrons of the two satellite branches had the same borrowing privileges as patrons of the main branch (for statistical purposes, patrons of the two satellite branches were issued library cards with branch-specific barcodes)." |
| 05:44 | kmkale | what? but that *can* be done |
| 05:44 | issuing to patrons of satellite branch | |
| 05:44 | jcamins | Yeah, that's what I thought. |
| 05:44 | kmkale | or any branch for that matter |
| 05:45 | jcamins | This might be LLEK. |
| 05:45 | kmkale | humph cant read |
| 05:45 | anyway | |
| 05:46 | jcamins | I hope some other journal puts out a less biased issue on open source and libraries. |
| 05:46 | * kmkale | thought LLEK was already on koha and a big supporter :( |
| 05:47 | jcamins | I think you're thinking of something else. |
| 05:47 | NEKLS, probably. | |
| 05:47 | kmkale | aaahhhh yes |
| 05:47 | jcamins | I was talking about LibLime Enterprise Koha. |
| 05:47 | kmkale | :) |
| 05:47 | me and abbreviations; its an ongoing war | |
| 05:52 | jcamins | Ah, yes, my favorite operating system website- freebasd.org [sic] |
| 05:52 | * jcamins | is going to go to sleep before he gets so annoyed he can't see straight. |
| 05:52 | jcamins | Also, it's almost 1am. |
| 05:53 | Good night, #koha | |
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| 06:07 | kmkale | brb |
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| 07:23 | robin_ | hey, anyone know which git branch I find the 3.2.1 release in? |
| 07:23 | is it 3.2.x? Or is that the 3.2 head? | |
| 07:24 | chris or chris_n --^ | |
| 07:27 | hmm, 3.2.x appears to have commits added after the release date | |
| 07:27 | was 3.2.1 tagged or branched at some point? | |
| 07:28 | ah, maybe it's v3.02.01 | |
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| 07:50 | chris | Yep that's it robin |
| 07:50 | The 3.2.x branch and that tag | |
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| 08:03 | robin_ | chris: while attempting to create a bug, I got: HTTP Error 504: Gateway Timeout. |
| 08:06 | chris | weird, its all up and running fine |
| 08:06 | i do note that tcl is screwed at the moment | |
| 08:06 | afaik there is no gateway | |
| 08:06 | just apache | |
| 08:06 | wonder if it was their transparent proxy being retarded | |
| 08:07 | or it might be something tricky that linode does | |
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| 08:10 | bigbrovar | chris: I am told if anyone could help me configure pazpar2 and get it up and running , u could :) |
| 08:10 | I configured it during the compilation process of koha but I can't figured out how to get it to run or if its even running. | |
| 08:11 | and I cant seem to find any docs on it | |
| 08:14 | chris | you'll have to read the docs on indexata site |
| 08:14 | koha doesnt make any use of pazpar2 out of the box | |
| 08:14 | what do you want to use it for? | |
| 08:15 | kmkale | hey chris bigbrovar |
| 08:16 | chris | hey kmkale adn you were right, that article is full of crap |
| 08:17 | kmkale | that was jcamins chris |
| 08:17 | chris | yep you pointed out it was wrong |
| 08:17 | kmkale | :) |
| 08:17 | chris | actually all the articles published on under a nonfree license about koha have been crap |
| 08:18 | i wonder if its causation or just correlation :) | |
| 08:18 | kmkale | causation imho |
| 08:18 | chris | *nod* |
| 08:18 | kmkale | or pre set mind |
| 08:18 | chris | they are coming at it from the wrong angle right from the start |
| 08:18 | yep | |
| 08:18 | kmkale | u can find holes in *any* software |
| 08:19 | chris | but you can only fix them then in free software :) |
| 08:19 | kmkale | yup |
| 08:19 | whats with nz batting chris? | |
| 08:19 | chris | i have no idea |
| 08:19 | kmkale | since the last test its gone downhill |
| 08:19 | chris | they decided not to even try |
| 08:19 | bigbrovar | chris: I needed it for grouping similar search results in opac. |
| 08:19 | kmkale | 1st tests were gr8 |
| 08:20 | chris | bigbrovar: it wont work without work on the templates |
| 08:20 | bigbrovar | oh ok |
| 08:20 | chris | its a feature liblime started and kinda abandoned |
| 08:20 | i hope to have time to fix it, but wont be in the next month or 2 | |
| 08:21 | you can get it to work, but its not easy at all | |
| 08:21 | bigbrovar | I think I can do without it then :) |
| 08:21 | chris | :) |
| 08:21 | i did get it going for a school here, using their koha and project gutenberg | |
| 08:21 | but it did involve a lot of mucking around | |
| 08:24 | kmkale | chris working on a touchscreen kiosk for library to enable ppl to read ebooks. can u recomend any foss ebook reader software? |
| 08:26 | bigbrovar | In other news it would be nice to get koha on floss weekly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLOSS_Weekly its a show which talks about free software projects. evergreen was there couple of shows ago and that made me kinda jealous, although there did give lots of preps to koha. It would be nice if koha could be on the show. and its not that hard at all :) |
| 08:26 | all u need to do is email the presenter and he would get you on the list :) | |
| 08:27 | kmkale | good idea |
| 08:32 | bigbrovar | yeah it would be great to have more people hear about koha. here is the link to the episode about evergreen http://www.podtrac.com/pts/red[…]net/floss0132.mp3\ |
| 08:32 | yeah it would be great to have more people hear about koha. here is the link to the episode about evergreen http://www.podtrac.com/pts/red[…]net/floss0132.mp3 | |
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| 08:40 | chris | Hmm not off the top of my head kmkale |
| 08:40 | Good idea bigbrovar | |
| 08:41 | kmkale | ya chris u should get on it |
| 08:42 | robin_ | why is it the tests require a MySQL server to be running? |
| 08:42 | bigbrovar | I could always get the email of Randal Schwartz the presenter of floss weekly all you have to do is mail him on the intention of getting on the show. thats all :) |
| 08:44 | chris | Maybe get one of the americans, in the same timezone, otherwise I could maybe do it sometime next year |
| 08:45 | robin_ | make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/buildd/koha-3.2.1' |
| 08:45 | PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 KOHA_CONF=blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml /usr/bin/perl "-MExtUtils::Command::MM" "-e" "test_harness(0, 'blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR', 'blib/arch')" t/*.t | |
| 08:45 | t/00-deprecated.t ................... ok | |
| 08:45 | DBI connect('dbname=koha;host=localhost;port=3306','kohaadmin',...) failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) at /tmp/buildd/koha-3.2.1/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/Context.pm line 692 | |
| 08:45 | # Failed test 'use C4::BackgroundJob;' | |
| 08:45 | (sorry for the paste, something funny with the network here, I can't do POSTs or something) | |
| 08:50 | unfortunately this isn't telling me what test it's coming from | |
| 09:14 | test 00-load.t fails, causing the build to break. But in a different way that may or may not be the same thing. | |
| 09:17 | and Auth_with_cas, External_BakerTaylor, Reports_Guided, Service, Tags, UploadedFile, and VirtualShelves. | |
| 09:18 | these all require database access to run, which may not exist in a test system | |
| 09:20 | (more concerningly, they require a hard-coded db username/password | |
| 09:20 | ) | |
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| 09:38 | fredericd | chris: ? |
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| 09:57 | kmkale | fredericd: got it to work by deleting .git/rebase-apply |
| 09:57 | fredericd | kmkale: well done!!! |
| 09:59 | kmkale | fredericd: will deleting the .git/rebase-apply/ have any adverse effects on any further work or rebase / pull merge etc? |
| 10:01 | fredericd | no, not at all. It just clean your repo. Even if it would be better to use the appropiate git command to do it (git rebase --abord) |
| 10:01 | chris | robin_: it wont be a hardcoded one, it just defaults to kohaadmin if it cant find the KOHA_CONF |
| 10:02 | kmkale | fredericd: the git rebase --abort failed with a reference to a really old branch in my repo |
| 10:02 | robin_ | chris: the problem is that it is using the KOHA_CONF |
| 10:02 | kmkale | fredericd: so I went to the man page and deleted the dir as mentioned there |
| 10:02 | chris | all the 00-load.t is use all the modules |
| 10:03 | robin_ | yeah, and that causes an attempt at DB access which fails |
| 10:03 | chris | yep, its supposed to |
| 10:03 | robin_ | it causes the tests to error out, which causes a build failure |
| 10:03 | chris | easiest is just run up an empty db |
| 10:03 | there doesnt need to be a thing in it | |
| 10:03 | robin_ | hmm |
| 10:04 | chris | course for the db_dependent tests to run there does |
| 10:04 | fredericd | chris: could you take a look at k-c.org new Pootle and confirm it looks correct to you. |
| 10:04 | robin_ | That offends me slightly :) |
| 10:04 | for reasons I can't really explain | |
| 10:04 | chris | well its not a real test unless it actually tests things :) |
| 10:04 | robin_ | but tests should be self-contained |
| 10:05 | chris | if you want to write sqllite db and change the queries that need to be changed ,.. be my guest :) |
| 10:05 | robin_ | It means I have to put mysql etc onto my build system, which seems wrong somehow |
| 10:06 | chris | fredericd: looks ok to me |
| 10:06 | robin_ | unrelated: the battery gauge for this laptop is in the red, which means it has less than 1.5 hours of battery left, which is great :) |
| 10:07 | I'm used to that meaning it has 10 minutes. | |
| 10:08 | chris | fredericd: shall i set up a redirect from the old site? |
| 10:09 | well missing a few languages, like norwegian, ukranian, russian etc | |
| 10:10 | http://translate.koha.org/ru/opac3_1/ | |
| 10:11 | danish too | |
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| 10:11 | fredericd | chris: not yet (the redirection) |
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| 10:12 | chris | so yep, apart from the missing languages its looking good |
| 10:12 | fredericd | Yes, I'm in the process of scripting loading remaining languages |
| 10:12 | kmkale | bbl |
| 10:12 | robin_ | chris: ah, the problem with a persistent database depended on by tests (aside from the fact that you'll never get into Debian with that I suspect:) is that it runs the risk of making tests dependent on unrelated tests. |
| 10:12 | chris | cool |
| 10:12 | fredericd | I'm doing alist of active/inactive languages and will send it to koha-translate list |
| 10:12 | chris | the 00 tests is only ones designed to run as git hooks |
| 10:12 | to make sure we dont commit modules that dont compile | |
| 10:13 | or have conflict markets | |
| 10:13 | markers | |
| 10:13 | robin_ | sure, but 'make test' runs t/*.t |
| 10:13 | chris | or broken templates |
| 10:13 | you might have to move them out as part of your build then | |
| 10:13 | robin_ | it's not just them, there are others also. |
| 10:14 | chris | its more important to me that they get tested by hudson and on the commits |
| 10:14 | robin_ | I'm not sure what's changed that causes them to be an issue though |
| 10:14 | chris | nothing |
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| 10:14 | chris | but the 00 ones are new |
| 10:14 | i bet a ton of modules werent being tested before | |
| 10:14 | and now they are | |
| 10:15 | robin_ | that's probably it |
| 10:15 | My suggestion is that any test that causes a DB hit be moved to a subdir, so it's not a default test. | |
| 10:15 | (I emailed to this effect, but due to odd network issues, I can't send email right now.) | |
| 10:16 | chris | its more that to just use some modules requires a db |
| 10:16 | which will mean a make test wont catch simple syntax errors | |
| 10:16 | so its trickier than that | |
| 10:17 | robin_ | then they should invoke perl -c instead, maybe |
| 10:18 | although, that isn't as clean in test cases themselves. | |
| 10:18 | actually, running perl -c on everything should be a test case in itself | |
| 10:18 | chris | yep |
| 10:19 | yep | |
| 10:20 | * chris | heads to bed |
| 10:20 | robin_ | the things is a) I'm trying to avoid package-related patches if I at all can, b) they may trip up other people doing a 'make;make test', c) there was a c, I forget now. |
| 10:21 | oh, external dependecies in tests strike me as a bad idea. | |
| 10:21 | cya tomorrow :) | |
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| 10:26 | * robin_ | stops thinking about this for now. Packages will have to wait. |
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| 10:45 | cait | hi #koha |
| 10:52 | fredericd | hi cait |
| 10:52 | cait | hi fredericd |
| 10:54 | fredericd | cait: could you take a look at translate.koha-community.org and tell me if your German translation is up-to-date? |
| 10:54 | cait | I can try and do later, ok? |
| 10:55 | fredericd | yes |
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| 12:59 | Brooke | that was such a good Smoke it took out the server! |
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| 13:48 | ebegin | @wunder montreal, canada |
| 13:48 | munin | ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -6.0�C (8:00 AM EST on December 05, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising). |
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| 17:06 | cait | hi #koha |
| 17:06 | jcamins | Hi cait. |
| 17:06 | cait | hi jcamins :) |
| 17:06 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 17:06 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0�C (6:00 PM CET on December 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008 hPa (Falling). |
| 17:06 | cait | @wunder Reutlingen |
| 17:06 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 1.0�C (6:07 PM CET on December 05, 2010). Conditions: Heavy Snow. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 28.44 in 963.0 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:06 | cait | feels colder |
| 17:07 | and it's snowing | |
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| 17:15 | cait | hi brendan |
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| 17:51 | chris | @wunder wellington nz |
| 17:51 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on December 06, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
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| 17:53 | cait | fredericd: still around? |
| 17:55 | * Brooke | flags Chris for taunting. |
| 17:55 | Brooke | 5 yard penalty, results in loss of down. |
| 17:57 | brendan | morning |
| 17:57 | cait | hi brooke and brendan |
| 17:57 | * Brooke | waves |
| 17:58 | jcamins | chris: was NPL the first library in the US to adopt Koha? |
| 17:58 | brendan | yes they were |
| 17:59 | jcamins | Okay, but not the first in North America. |
| 17:59 | brendan | not sure about that |
| 18:00 | Brooke | not NA I don't think. |
| 18:00 | did he say NA? | |
| 18:00 | jcamins | No, he didn't. |
| 18:00 | * Brooke | is so freggin traumatised from that... |
| 18:01 | jcamins | But it sort of came across as the implication. |
| 18:01 | cait | what are you all talking about? |
| 18:01 | :) | |
| 18:01 | Brooke | Cutting the proprietary cord |
| 18:01 | A case study of one library’s decision to migrate to an open source ILS | |
| 18:02 | cait | ah |
| 18:02 | * jcamins | weeps harder |
| 18:02 | jcamins | It was very traumatizing. |
| 18:02 | *traumatising? | |
| 18:02 | * jcamins | doesn't know how to spell that word |
| 18:02 | * Brooke | comforts jcamins. |
| 18:02 | cait | what was so trauma...? |
| 18:02 | Brooke | I don't even know where to start. |
| 18:03 | * cait | is confused as always |
| 18:03 | Brooke | Library Review aims to provide an international communication link between researchers, educators and library professionals in academic, public, company and other libraries by publishing papers which have been reviewed by the Editor and one or more reviewers, double-blind. |
| 18:04 | ahhhh ahh ahh ahh ahh ahhhh | |
| 18:04 | cait | ok, so an american library jounal published an articel about koha that is full of errors? |
| 18:05 | * Brooke | nods. |
| 18:05 | jcamins | British. |
| 18:05 | Brooke | oh is it |
| 18:05 | doesn't say it is | |
| 18:08 | dude. | |
| 18:08 | why do I have to go to WorldCat to find that out? | |
| 18:08 | * Brooke | hates Emerald Insight. |
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| 18:18 | brendan | What article where you talking about? |
| 18:18 | Brooke | Cutting the proprietary cord |
| 18:19 | it's what I can stomach for the moment. | |
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| 19:34 | chris | NPL wasnt even the first in USA |
| 19:34 | it was the first public library in USA | |
| 19:34 | there were at least 2 specials before it | |
| 19:35 | plus a whole bunch of schools in canada | |
| 19:36 | doesnt suprise me they got it wrong, like i said to kmkale, every journal article released under a nonfree license about koha has got it wrong | |
| 19:48 | cait | hi chris |
| 19:48 | chris | hi cait |
| 19:53 | cait | @wunder konstanz |
| 19:53 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.2�C (8:50 PM CET on December 05, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Steady). |
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| 20:03 | chris | hi wizzyrea_ |
| 20:03 | wizzyrea_ | heya |
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| 20:05 | chris | hows the weekend goin? |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea_ | I've had better ones |
| 20:05 | how is monday treating you? | |
| 20:05 | chris | so far so good |
| 20:06 | cait | hi liz |
| 20:06 | wizzyrea_ | heya cait |
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| 20:13 | chris | hi richard |
| 20:14 | richard | hey chris |
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| 21:08 | chris | translate.koha.org is no more, long live translate.koha-community.org |
| 21:09 | * chris | just put in a redirect |
| 21:09 | brendan | sweet |
| 21:10 | @wunder 93117 | |
| 21:10 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.3�C (1:08 PM PST on December 05, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Falling). |
| 21:14 | chris | @wunder wellington nz |
| 21:14 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on December 06, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:17 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 21:18 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0�C (6:00 PM CET on December 05, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008 hPa (Falling). |
| 21:18 | cait | could be worse |
| 21:24 | bye all :) | |
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| 21:43 | brendan_l | hiya |
| 21:52 | chris | welcome back brendan_l |
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| 22:25 | brendan_l | time for cookies |
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