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| 00:25 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 00:25 | munin | gmcharlt: Quote #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!" (added by ricardo at 10:00 AM, October 07, 2009) |
| 00:28 | chris | apt |
| 00:28 | jcamins | Heh. That Bugzilla activity explosion apparently coincided with the ANS's decision to migrate to Koha. |
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| 00:34 | Brooke | yo |
| 00:35 | jcamins | Greetings. I enjoyed the newbie's guide to Koha. |
| 00:35 | * Brooke | feels certain Chris has been distributing kool aid... |
| 00:35 | Brooke | thank you |
| 00:36 | jcamins | I even knew who wrote it before I looked at the history. ;) |
| 00:36 | Brooke | I've to slap considerably more into the knew one |
| 00:36 | new even | |
| 00:36 | jransom | hi everyone |
| 00:36 | Brooke | kia ora |
| 00:42 | chris | im too busy drinking kool aid to distribute it |
| 00:42 | Brooke | a likely story. |
| 00:42 | * Brooke | should just give in and go patrol NYC with her bud. |
| 00:45 | jransom | I love that newbie's guide Brooke |
| 00:48 | Brooke | glad you're pleased |
| 00:51 | * slef | extracts his own teeth with a USB plug... it's got to be more fun than creating a technical committee. |
| 00:51 | slef | Anyone remind me: can we email into existing bugs? |
| 00:52 | jcamins | slef: I'm sure it could be worse. |
| 00:52 | Speaking of which... | |
| 00:52 | Anyone want to go to my budget meeting on December 9? I've been informed that it's "impossible to predict how long it will be." | |
| 00:52 | Brooke | I'll go |
| 00:53 | chris | yes we can slef |
| 00:53 | Brooke | my arse is capable of withstanding any length of meeting |
| 00:53 | chris | http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/3[…]api/email_in.html |
| 00:54 | bug-submitbugs.koha-community.org |
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| 00:54 | slef | chris: thanks. I'm going to try auto-feeding patches links into bugs. |
| 00:54 | jcamins | Brooke++ # for writing a newbie guide and offering to go to my budget meeting |
| 00:54 | chris | have a try ... I *think* it works |
| 00:54 | * jcamins | goes to eat some dinner |
| 00:54 | slef | I'll test it slowly. |
| 00:55 | chris | lemme know if it bounces or anything and ill take a look |
| 01:06 | * chris_n | thinks perhaps folks need to participate in the present venues of discussions/proposals/decision-making/etc. prior to inventing new venues |
| 01:09 | Brooke | meh, I think a proper forum wouldn't kill people |
| 01:09 | and uh, if one of those ratbag Americans would index some shtuff, shtuff would be easier to find | |
| 01:09 | slef | It's so tempting to flame individuals involved in the discussion for their own failings when ... OH YEAH! |
| 01:09 | I was watching the BBC Breakfast news this morning | |
| 01:09 | and the sports presenter called one of the anchors a ratbag | |
| 01:09 | robin | I propose the pub down the road and round the corner from Catalyst as a venue. |
| 01:10 | I'm sure everyone will be in favour. | |
| 01:10 | slef | I have it recorded. Worth trimming and posting? |
| 01:10 | Brooke | ++ robin |
| 01:10 | slef | robin: depends if you'll pay expenses ;-) |
| 01:10 | robin | slef: if you really thought your views mattered, you'd make it here ;) |
| 01:10 | richard | slef: was the presenter an australian? |
| 01:10 | Brooke | also, ye've to slide me past Immigration |
| 01:10 | slef | richard: no, pretty sure not. Let me get his biog. |
| 01:12 | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/pro[…]kfast/4370574.stm | |
| 01:12 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hollins Notable credit(s) BBC Breakfast, Run Fatboy Run | |
| 01:13 | gmcharlt | slef: the email gateway to bugs.k-c.org. does indeed work |
| 01:13 | I tested it last week | |
| 01:13 | slef | gmcharlt: I'm automating spamming it then :) |
| 01:13 | gmcharlt | slef: just make sure that the recipes for the enhancement products are all open source, then :) |
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| 01:14 | CGI230 | change to hayander |
| 01:14 | hello | |
| 01:14 | Brooke | yo |
| 01:14 | slef | CGI230: hayander to queen's four. |
| 01:14 | * Brooke | pushes a pawn |
| 01:15 | * slef | pushes some porn over the autospammer |
| 01:15 | Brooke | 0.0 |
| 01:15 | slef | ahem, let me code this a bit more |
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| 01:15 | slef | oops, we scared the fish |
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| 01:16 | Brooke | My Fraternity nickname came from somewhere, ye know. |
| 01:16 | CGI353 | hello |
| 01:16 | Brooke | howdy |
| 01:17 | CGI353 | who is this |
| 01:17 | ? | |
| 01:17 | slef | I don't know. Who are you? |
| 01:18 | CGI353 | as a matter of fact i am the creater of a new software programme |
| 01:18 | robin | Oh, me too! |
| 01:18 | CGI353 | really |
| 01:18 | slef | I'm writing a new one right now. |
| 01:18 | CGI353 | which one |
| 01:18 | slef | patches2bugs |
| 01:19 | robin | eMusic/J |
| 01:19 | CGI353 | thats so cool |
| 01:19 | slef | I'm not very imaginative with names. |
| 01:19 | robin | neither |
| 01:19 | CGI353 | whats your real name |
| 01:19 | are you still there | |
| 01:19 | robin | that's an awfully personal question, CGI353! |
| 01:19 | jcamins | CGI353: did you have a question? |
| 01:20 | CGI353 | well im just asking |
| 01:20 | jcamins | CGI353: by the way, Koha's website is http://koha-community.org/ |
| 01:20 | CGI353 | which country do you live in |
| 01:22 | hi | |
| 01:22 | jcamins | CGI353: can we help you with something? |
| 01:22 | Something Koha-related, I mean. | |
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| 01:23 | CGI353 | yes |
| 01:23 | janecitiz | CGI353, your mum |
| 01:23 | CGI353 | hi |
| 01:24 | hello | |
| 01:24 | janecitiz | im 12 yo girl, wanna have some fun |
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| 01:26 | gmcharlt | oy |
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| 01:27 | ghugyigy | hey, chris |
| 01:27 | * richard | needs to write that down - +b *!*@ec2-174-129-238-79.compute-1.amazonaws.com |
| 01:28 | chris | the sooner the cgi::irc goes away the happier i will be |
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| 01:28 | zeb | hello |
| 01:28 | chris: hello | |
| 01:28 | Brooke | argh 10k engris crit in olde newbie guide |
| 01:29 | jcamins | Brooke: what? |
| 01:29 | Brooke | I used to have instead of so that |
| 01:29 | and as a result | |
| 01:29 | the sentence was not purdy | |
| 01:30 | zeb | Brooke: what |
| 01:30 | Brooke | just makin crap sound better |
| 01:30 | zeb | oh |
| 01:30 | Brooke: what country are you from | |
| 01:31 | * Brooke | is a Yank. |
| 01:31 | zeb | whata |
| 01:32 | are you still there | |
| 01:32 | ghugyigy | zeb: Hi. |
| 01:32 | zeb | hello |
| 01:32 | excuse me | |
| 01:32 | ghugyigy | Hi. |
| 01:33 | Where are you from zeb? | |
| 01:33 | zeb | Brooke: hi |
| 01:33 | ghugyigy | How old are you? |
| 01:33 | zeb | 28454 |
| 01:33 | ghugyigy | nice, nice. |
| 01:33 | Still flexible? | |
| 01:33 | zeb | what country are you from |
| 01:34 | ghugyigy | I don't know yet. What country are you from? |
| 01:34 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha - you must fix at least two bugs before doing A/S/L | |
| 01:34 | zeb | not telling |
| 01:34 | Brooke: hello | |
| 01:34 | ghugyigy | aw. Why so serious? |
| 01:34 | I thought we were having a good time... | |
| 01:34 | jcamins | gmcharlt: heh. You're generous. |
| 01:35 | I would've said five. | |
| 01:35 | zeb | Brooke: where did you go |
| 01:35 | ghugyigy | Why no asl? |
| 01:35 | How old are you, gmcharlt? | |
| 01:35 | Where are you from? | |
| 01:35 | You mean.. | |
| 01:35 | :( | |
| 01:36 | zeb | where did brooke go |
| 01:36 | is it wandering | |
| 01:36 | jcamins | The late nineties. Brooke is trying to return its users to AOL. |
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| 01:38 | Topic for #koha is now Koha - www.koha-community.org. Next general meeting 10 November 2010 at 19:00 UTC+0. This channel is logged. Pastes at paste.koha-community.org | |
| 01:40 | ghugyigy was kicked by chris_n: ghugyigy | |
| 01:41 | chris_n | and good riddance |
| 01:41 | * chris_n | tries to get his fur combed back in the right direction |
| 01:41 | * gmcharlt | searches for a lawn to tell the kids to stay off of |
| 01:41 | Brooke | heheh |
| 01:41 | jcamins | What's with the recent influx of CGI::IRC visitors? |
| 01:42 | Brooke | They figured that Catalyst was in the red light district and came to see the show. |
| 01:48 | chris | if anyone at ptfs ever listened to anything i said |
| 01:48 | id ask them again, to remove it | |
| 01:48 | jcamins | Interesting fact: if you search ISTC in Google, the Incunabula Short Title Catalog is not on the first page of results. |
| 01:49 | robin | who woulda though, eh? |
| 01:49 | gmcharlt | jcamins: clearly you have a lot of googlebombing to do |
| 01:50 | jcamins | gmcharlt: I suppose so! |
| 01:50 | Brooke | crap missing the Rachel Maddow Show. This cannot stand! |
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| 02:10 | slef | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2965 shows an example of the patches-list-linker - how far back into the past should I run it? |
| 02:10 | munin | 04Bug 2965: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED, Allow the user to specify due dates in the past |
| 02:12 | robin | slef: oh, that's what your spamming is in aid of. Good stuff. |
| 02:12 | jcamins | slef: ooh, nifty. |
| 02:14 | slef | robin: jcamins: thanks. It's another thing started during hackfest which I didn't get time to finish. |
| 02:16 | jcamins | @later tell nengard How did you learn to use LimeSurvey? I am finding it unintuitive, and the documentation isn't really clearing much up for me, which makes me think that you must have read different documentation. |
| 02:16 | munin | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 02:18 | jcamins | slef: so how does that work? You recursively download the mailing list archives and search for the string "Bug [0-9]\{1,4\}"? |
| 02:18 | slef | jcamins: nothing recursive, but basically yes. |
| 02:18 | jcamins: then it checks the bug to see if the patches archive URL was already linked, and sends mail to the bug if not. | |
| 02:19 | jcamins: I search the archive html index page for the pattern /\b[Bb]ug (\d+)/ | |
| 02:20 | jcamins | Ah, that makes sense. |
| 02:20 | slef | Anyone an opinion on how far back to link? Just October? Further back? |
| 02:20 | * jcamins | doesn't have an opinion |
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| 02:23 | slef | wizzyrea: how much should I spam bugzilla? A little, a lot or massively? :) |
| 02:23 | chris | not massively |
| 02:23 | robin | also maybe restrict to open tickets |
| 02:23 | wizzyrea_ | dk, it's hosted in a different place from the website ;) |
| 02:23 | chris | cos then ill miss someone saying that the branch i asked them to test is good |
| 02:24 | and will miss merging it | |
| 02:25 | maybe a few a day until you catch up, so i dont ahve 10 million bug emails to read tomorrow :) | |
| 02:26 | slef | robin: good idea. |
| 02:29 | chris_n | slef: please comment on my thread on the dev list :-) |
| 02:29 | * chris_n | wonders where thd-away` is |
| 02:29 | slef | bug 5194 |
| 02:29 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5194 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, Patron notification on new issues not working |
| 02:29 | slef | ok, I have exclusion working |
| 02:29 | chris_n | joe and I will run out of breath soon |
| 02:30 | slef | chris_n: which thread? |
| 02:30 | chris_n | A Discussion on A Policy Setting Forth Standards of Code Submission, etc. |
| 02:32 | jcamins | chris_n: not to get off-topic, but have you been reading eighteenth century literature recently? |
| 02:32 | * chris_n | often reads from that century |
| 02:34 | jcamins | chris_n++ # for, on top of everything else, having awesome taste in literature |
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| 02:42 | chris_n | slef++ # patches-list-linker |
| 02:42 | tnx jcamins :) | |
| 02:51 | slef | chris_n: just found your thread! You didn't say it was a subthread. |
| 02:51 | chris_n | sorry |
| 02:51 | * chris_n | is busy just trying to keep it out of the depths of the list :-) |
| 02:56 | * jcamins | curses LimeSurvey |
| 02:57 | jcamins | I spent all that time writing a welcome screen, and it's gone. |
| 02:57 | I mean, everything I wrote is still in the database, but there's no welcome screen anymore, now that I've activated my survey. | |
| 02:58 | Ah-ha! There's a cookie or something, so you can only view it once. | |
| 02:59 | chris_n | the cookies strike again... |
| 02:59 | jcamins | Mmm... cookies... |
| 03:00 | * chris_n | 's wife has been baking sweet-potatoe, cream-cheese bread all day |
| 03:01 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 03:01 | It's a setting. | |
| 03:01 | And also a cookie... | |
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| 03:07 | jcamins | Enough of that. |
| 03:07 | Good night, #koha | |
| 03:07 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_a | |
| 03:08 | chris_n | g'night jcamins_a |
| 03:18 | robin | @tell hdl you guys back in November? http://twitter.com/Wotzoncom/s[…]/1838398734077952 |
| 03:18 | munin | robin: Error: I haven't seen hdl, I'll let you do the telling. |
| 03:18 | robin | munin is pretty forgetful |
| 03:18 | munin | robin: Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 03:18 | chris | tell only works if he is here |
| 03:19 | you need @later tell | |
| 03:19 | robin | oh, right. |
| 03:19 | * robin | is pretty forgetful. |
| 03:19 | chris | heh |
| 03:19 | robin | @later hdl you guys back in November? http://twitter.com/Wotzoncom/s[…]/1838398734077952 |
| 03:19 | munin | robin: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "hdl" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin. |
| 03:19 | robin | @later tell hdl you guys back in November? http://twitter.com/Wotzoncom/s[…]/1838398734077952 |
| 03:19 | munin | robin: The operation succeeded. |
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| 03:47 | Brooke | Bonjour |
| 03:48 | hdl | hi Brooke |
| 03:48 | salvete | |
| 03:48 | Brooke | ca va? |
| 04:06 | hdl | Well I am up at 5.AM catching up with "community emails" |
| 04:06 | jet lag is horrible. | |
| 04:06 | wizzyrea_ | I'm still dealing with it, hdl |
| 04:07 | it's getting better though, I think | |
| 04:07 | hdl | How are you ? wake up late ? |
| 04:07 | Brooke | insomnia cures jet lag |
| 04:07 | get with the programme! | |
| 04:07 | wizzyrea_ | it's not so much late tonight, but the last few days have been pretty brutal |
| 04:07 | with daylight savings switch piled on top like a moldy cherry on the jetlag sundae | |
| 04:08 | Brooke | yeah, that was a bit of a bitch |
| 04:08 | hdl | what a tasty one ;) |
| 04:09 | wizzyrea_ | kiddo seems to be doing ok I think, i'm middling, the hubs is still having the most trouble of all of us |
| 04:09 | how are you? | |
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| 04:13 | Brooke | hola |
| 04:22 | k | |
| 04:22 | *now* I'm sleepy | |
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| 04:26 | hdl | wizzyrea_ I am not so fine. |
| 04:26 | my stomach is not playing nice. | |
| 04:26 | wizzyrea_ | sorry to hear that :( |
| 04:27 | hdl | And in the evening I am dizzy at 4. PM, which is a little bit early |
| 04:27 | wizzyrea_ | you know, thatcher felt dizzy too |
| 04:27 | hdl | but it was so great to see you all. |
| 04:28 | wizzyrea_ | we really ought to conjure up ways to get together more often :) |
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| 05:41 | brendan | evening |
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| 06:10 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 06:10 | brendan | morning cait |
| 06:10 | cait | hi brendan |
| 06:14 | brendan | how's things |
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| 06:18 | kmkale | hi all |
| 06:23 | brendan | hey kmkale |
| 06:23 | kmkale | HI brendan |
| 06:27 | chris | evening |
| 06:28 | brendan | evening chris |
| 06:31 | cait | hi chris and kmkale |
| 06:31 | kmkale | hi chris cait |
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| 06:35 | * wasabi | waves |
| 06:36 | wasabi | looking at UPS's |
| 06:41 | cait | hi wasabi |
| 06:45 | brendan | heya wasabi - try fedex |
| 06:56 | wasabi | http://www.ascent.co.nz/Catego[…]02&MinorCatID=241 |
| 06:57 | http://www.networkupstools.org[…]cols/megatec.html | |
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| 06:59 | wasabi | … might go with an APC brand one |
| 07:00 | heya magnus | |
| 07:00 | magnus | hi wasabi |
| 07:00 | kmkale | wasabi: try emersion |
| 07:00 | great service here in India | |
| 07:01 | s/emersion/emerson/ | |
| 07:39 | * magnus | thought i'd send a reminder about the irc meeting tomorrow - should i send it just to the general list, or to devel too? |
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| 07:51 | wasabi | magnus: both , i think :) |
| 07:51 | magnus | yeah, that's what i did too... so sue me! ;-) |
| 07:58 | brendan | night all |
| 08:18 | chris | what the hell is david langs problem |
| 08:19 | oh enlighten us all with your wisdom | |
| 08:19 | what a twat | |
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| 08:23 | * Elwell_ | has just done a scan of the mailing list archives. Least he's consistent. |
| 08:23 | chris | consistently annoying :) |
| 08:24 | i wish he'd put the same effort into doing something productive | |
| 08:25 | Elwell_ is now known as Elwell | |
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| 08:26 | Elwell | wasabi: [UPS] Just be aware that APC are rolling out a new (non open, non apcupsd compatible) protocol on some of their models. |
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| 08:30 | larsw | chris, a common malady is that you don't have time to do anything productive because arguing on the Internet takes all your time |
| 08:31 | which reminds me, I should ignore a few more mailing lists and Atom feeds :) | |
| 08:35 | chris | :) |
| 08:35 | im loving branchable btw | |
| 08:36 | larsw | chris. cool :) |
| 08:36 | chris | great service from joey when i locked myself out of my account (space at the front of the openid url) |
| 08:36 | i think it was about 1 hour until i was up and going again :) | |
| 08:38 | larsw | we strive to provide great service, but that was a happy accident of timing :) |
| 09:06 | Elwell | found it: http://xkcd.com/386/ :-) |
| 09:17 | magnus | Hehe |
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| 09:51 | kf | oh, closed wrong window |
| 09:51 | hi #koha | |
| 09:52 | chris | heh |
| 09:53 | kf: wanna see something kinda cool? | |
| 09:54 | magnus | guten tag, kf |
| 09:54 | chris | http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]?biblionumber=595 |
| 09:54 | might take a while to load, but check out the open library tab | |
| 09:54 | kf | chris: I always want to see cool things |
| 09:54 | fighting with my travel bills right now | |
| 09:54 | complicated | |
| 09:54 | chris | it should be pulling in related subjects |
| 09:54 | from open library | |
| 09:55 | magnus | OL-tab? cool! |
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| 09:55 | kf | it was fast |
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| 09:55 | kf | it is kind of cool |
| 09:55 | but I am not sure how to use it | |
| 09:56 | can they be linked to find more in my catalog? | |
| 09:56 | chris | yep |
| 09:56 | thats the next step | |
| 09:56 | kf | ok, now it is cool :) |
| 09:56 | magnus | agreed! ;-) |
| 09:56 | kf | it was cool before... but you know what I mean! |
| 09:56 | chris | gimme 10 mins |
| 09:56 | magnus | i'll give you 9,5 chris... |
| 09:57 | wasabi | hey, thanks for the IRC email to the dev-list magnus... |
| 09:57 | magnus | np wasabi |
| 09:57 | wasabi | i really appreciated your thoughtfulness |
| 09:58 | :) | |
| 09:58 | magnus | wow, thanks! ;-) |
| 10:03 | wasabi | i'm just *not* going to reply to that fucktarded list email |
| 10:05 | chris | http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]?biblionumber=595 |
| 10:05 | check it out now | |
| 10:05 | should have links that search the catalogue | |
| 10:07 | wasabi | open-library stuff? |
| 10:07 | chris | yep |
| 10:07 | it fetches the list of related subjects according to openlibrary | |
| 10:07 | and then uses that to search your koha | |
| 10:07 | was just trying out their new api | |
| 10:08 | but now i know how to do it, i could do something more useful, like use it to tune the recommendations | |
| 10:08 | kf | hm, but it will only search in the subjects in the title, right? not in the open library subjects? |
| 10:09 | chris | what? |
| 10:09 | kf | you make a search in su - the index for subjects |
| 10:09 | chris | yes |
| 10:09 | kf | but really really cool would be if it would use the subjects from open library :) |
| 10:09 | wasabi | it pulls related-subjects from OL |
| 10:09 | chris | using the subject headings fetched from open library |
| 10:09 | * kf | knows she is terrible |
| 10:09 | wasabi | click |
| 10:10 | chris | you mean search openlibrary? |
| 10:10 | thats easy | |
| 10:10 | what it is doing, is finding the subjects we have in our catalogue | |
| 10:10 | then for each of those | |
| 10:10 | finding the related subjects from openlibrary | |
| 10:10 | and making them a link to search the catalogue | |
| 10:11 | the bold ones are the subject headings in our catalogue | |
| 10:11 | the linked ones are the ones from open library | |
| 10:12 | magnus | way cool! |
| 10:12 | chris | those links could easily be links to openlibrary instead of local search |
| 10:12 | but i figured people would most likely want to stay inside their catalogue | |
| 10:12 | magnus | one problem is: you might get subjects from OL that gibe zero hits in local opac... |
| 10:13 | s/gibe/give/ | |
| 10:13 | chris | yep |
| 10:13 | magnus | e.g. http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]pl?q=su:OverDrive |
| 10:13 | chris | its quite likely on my small catalogue |
| 10:14 | but this was just to prove i could get the subjects :) | |
| 10:14 | magnus | what would also be cool is if you could "enrich" all the records in koha with subjects from OL, and then search those added subjects too |
| 10:14 | chris | i dont think id actually use them like this |
| 10:14 | you could easily do that | |
| 10:15 | for anything that had an isbn | |
| 10:15 | you could make that a step in cataloguing, fetch subjects from openlibrary | |
| 10:15 | magnus | hm... |
| 10:16 | do they have subjects in more languages than english? | |
| 10:16 | chris | to make them searchable you'd have to add them to the marc record |
| 10:16 | probably not | |
| 10:19 | http://openlibrary.org/developers/api | |
| 10:19 | so ive got subjects and covers working now | |
| 10:20 | books is the one you would use to enrich the data about a work | |
| 10:21 | but that will do for tonight, i had to do it, as george evil laughed at me :) | |
| 10:21 | http://twitter.com/#!/openlibr[…]/1796080761053184 | |
| 10:21 | magnus | hehe ;-) |
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| 10:24 | magnus | we better make her do that often, then... ;-) |
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| 10:27 | * magnus | can't help thinking that rdf is a better "substrate" for enriching data than marc... |
| 10:28 | chris | stabbing myself in the eye is better than dealing with marc |
| 10:28 | but until we convince the rest of the world to stop using it, we are stuck with it | |
| 10:29 | magnus | sigh... yeah |
| 10:30 | unless we could hide "something better" in the background and just import and export marc... | |
| 10:30 | chris | that was my original plan |
| 10:31 | people were concerned about it being a lossy conversion | |
| 10:31 | personally i think there is a pile of stuff we could lose .. and make the world a better place | |
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| 10:31 | chris | now cataloguing ninjas will come attack me |
| 10:31 | for saying that | |
| 10:32 | magnus | hehe, i'll stand by you! |
| 10:32 | * chris | goes to hide in bed |
| 10:32 | magnus | marc-must-die.info |
| 10:32 | chris | night all |
| 10:33 | magnus | night chris |
| 10:33 | hdl | night chris |
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| 10:42 | kf | night chris |
| 10:45 | * magnus | must find lunch |
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| 12:10 | gmcharlt | godo morning |
| 12:11 | good morning, even | |
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| 12:18 | hdl | hi gmcharlt |
| 12:18 | gmcharlt | hi hdl |
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| 13:00 | druthb | Good day, #koha. |
| 13:00 | owen | Hi druthb |
| 13:01 | druthb | howdy, owen. |
| 13:01 | gmcharlt | hi owen, druthb |
| 13:01 | * druthb | waves to gmcharlt |
| 13:05 | owen | Are slef's "this bug is mentioned in..." bug comments automated? |
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| 13:05 | gmcharlt | owen: yes, slef was working on that last night |
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| 14:47 | kmkale | bye all |
| 14:49 | slef | bye kmkale |
| 14:50 | kf | hi slef |
| 14:50 | I think I share your opinion about technical comittees | |
| 14:50 | and bureaucracy | |
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| 14:51 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 14:51 | kf | hi jcamins |
| 14:51 | and now I am leaving to cure my cold... | |
| 14:51 | jcamins | Good plan. |
| 14:52 | wizzyrea | the proposal for a branch available that's passed QA for librarian testing (put a timer on it, if they're not gonna look they're not gonna look) |
| 14:52 | I like | |
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| 14:52 | kf | yeah, I like that too |
| 14:53 | * jcamins | must have missed that message, but he thinks it sounds like a good idea |
| 14:54 | wizzyrea | just realized I didn't finished my sentence |
| 14:54 | I blame the morning. | |
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| 15:28 | cait | hm, forgot to shut down laptop :) |
| 15:29 | cold-- | |
| 15:34 | jcamins | cait: well, at least you have the heat from the laptop being left on? :) |
| 15:34 | cait | hmpf |
| 15:34 | was talking about the cold that involves a red nose and lot of tissues :) | |
| 15:35 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 15:35 | Yes. | |
| 15:35 | Time to write my "Want to Learn to Use Koha? Learn SQL!" post, I guess. | |
| 15:36 | cait | I still have to do the Learn Linux part :) |
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| 15:46 | wizzyrea | oh hi druthb |
| 15:47 | druthb | oh hi wizzyrea! :) |
| 15:47 | jcamins | Oh hi wizzyrea and druthb |
| 15:47 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 15:48 | cait | hi liz :) |
| 15:49 | jwagner | Hi everybody |
| 15:49 | jcamins | Hi jwagner |
| 15:49 | wizzyrea | hey there |
| 15:49 | cait | hi jwagner :) |
| 15:49 | jwagner++ # for delivering postcards :) | |
| 15:50 | jwagner | And you'll notice that the accompanying item made it through intact :-) |
| 15:50 | druthb | cait++ # for sending |
| 15:50 | jwagner | But cait, I think I could do without your cold.... |
| 15:51 | Although mine is probably due to Qantas having extremely cold air blowing in the plane for the entire flight. Three blankets and a scarf around my head weren't enough. | |
| 15:51 | cait | jwagner++ # for smuggling chocolate into the us ;) |
| 15:51 | jwagner | Customs seemed more concerned about where I marked on the form that I'd been on a farm. |
| 15:51 | Didn't want me smuggling in mad cow disease I guess. | |
| 15:52 | * jwagner | thinks the cows I encountered were more hungry than mad |
| 15:53 | cait | you were at a farm? |
| 15:53 | jwagner | A tourist version thereof -- the Agrodome in Rotorua. Lots of sheep, cows, ostriches, emus, alpacas, ducks, geese, pigs, etc. etc. |
| 15:54 | The sheep shearing and sheep herding demos were interesting. I grew up on a farm with cows, so I'm not real interested in them -- been kicked & stepped on too many times for that. | |
| 15:55 | cait | aaaw |
| 15:55 | * cait | wants to go back to nz |
| 15:55 | jcamins | NZ has some of the best wool. |
| 15:55 | jwagner | Although I got a picture of one of the cows that's the same breed we had for a milking cow. Reminded me of old days -- morning cereal was never the same after we stopped having fresh-from-the-cow milk. |
| 15:56 | * jwagner | definitely wants to go back to nz! |
| 15:59 | * cait | *sighs* |
| 15:59 | * jcamins | wants to go to NZ in the first place! |
| 16:00 | jwagner | jcamins, it's definitely worth the trip, despite the horrible flight. But allow at least 2-3 weeks, if not more -- there's too much to see and do, and things are pretty far apart. |
| 16:02 | wizzyrea | or just go more than once |
| 16:02 | * jcamins | prefers both! |
| 16:02 | jwagner | That would be good too :-) |
| 16:02 | cait | chris said he will not organize another kohacon...! |
| 16:03 | * jcamins | doesn't blame him |
| 16:03 | jwagner | That's OK, it means we can use the entire time for sightseeing! |
| 16:03 | * jcamins | thinks planning a 2-hour seminar is hard enough! |
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| 16:06 | cait | jcamins: a 2 hour seminar, 2 weeks hackfest and 3 weeks sight seeing? |
| 16:06 | jcamins | Hello, nengard and owen |
| 16:06 | jwagner | cait, I'd go for that :-) |
| 16:06 | jcamins | cait: oy! |
| 16:07 | Seriously, I had *no* idea how hard it is to make invitations. | |
| 16:07 | I thought "gee, how hard can it be? We just need to send invitations to a few hundred people." | |
| 16:07 | nengard | hi jcamins |
| 16:08 | * druthb | waves to owen and nengard |
| 16:08 | wizzyrea | getting the addresses alone is oi |
| 16:08 | * owen | ducked out to listen to a webcast on the budget prospects for Ohio libraries under the new governor |
| 16:09 | jwagner | prospects bleak? |
| 16:09 | owen | Hint: New gov. wants to eliminate the income tax. |
| 16:09 | wizzyrea | !!!! |
| 16:09 | double eww tee eff | |
| 16:10 | jwagner | I have never understood why people can't grasp the simple concept -- if you want services, you have to pay for them. |
| 16:11 | wizzyrea | because from our childhood we are taught that we are entitled to whatever we want without having to give anything back? |
| 16:11 | jwagner | Dunno about you, _I_ was never taught that! |
| 16:11 | But parents like mine seem increasingly scarce these days. | |
| 16:12 | * wizzyrea | was being snarky |
| 16:12 | * jwagner | knows, just grumbling at modern conceptions of parenting |
| 16:12 | jwagner | Including the parent in the seat across from me on the LA-DC flight :-( |
| 16:13 | wizzyrea | i'm happy to say that we only had one flight where spud was even remotely annoying. |
| 16:13 | the rest he happily watched videos or looked out the window or napped. | |
| 16:14 | jwagner | Kids his age aren't so much the problem -- I didn't mind (too much) the baby crying on the Auckland-LA flight because babies do cry & there's not a lot you can do. But school age kids who never stop whining and fussing from the moment they get on the plane are another matter. Grump. |
| 16:15 | slef | wizzyrea: better than being grumpy :-/ |
| 16:16 | I'm sure I opened this window to write something. Now I'm distracted. | |
| 16:16 | jwagner | Isn't that the purpose of this IRC? |
| 16:16 | slef | Oh yeah, on returning to the UK, I noticed three things that NZ doesn't do so well: pork, chicken and road junction priorities. |
| 16:17 | jcamins | Pork, chicken, and road junction priorities? |
| 16:17 | slef | Yep. Other than that, it was home from home with more dramatic landscapes. |
| 16:17 | jwagner | Don't remember having much pork or chicken, but what I had was delicious. Road junctions are another matter. Even if I can remember to drive on the other side of the road, I always have trouble with roundabouts. |
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| 16:19 | slef | Their roundabouts were a bit freaky, with strange lane discipline (right lane for straight ahead???) and staggered stop lines, but it was the unmarked Ts and Xs that got me. |
| 16:20 | Actually, even marked Ts were strange, with traffic turning right off the through road having priority over things turning left off. | |
| 16:20 | * wizzyrea | is so glad she never had to drive |
| 16:20 | slef | I was happy I only failed to take priority when I had it, rather than the reverse! |
| 16:21 | I did have one trucker seriously cross as he waved me on. | |
| 16:21 | * cait | remembery a very angry driver in a roundabout in scotland 2 years ago |
| 16:21 | slef | cait: huh? We have the same rules as you, IIRC! |
| 16:21 | cait | we had a rental car and he had no idea that we were not Scottish |
| 16:22 | * jcamins | avoids driving abroad |
| 16:22 | cait | you drive at the wrong side |
| 16:22 | slef | no, you do :) |
| 16:22 | cait | and we dont have this more than one lane roundabouts |
| 16:22 | nengard | driving was only scary when the slide of the cliff was right at my wheels ... |
| 16:22 | slef | cait: seriously? I never noticed that. |
| 16:22 | nengard | the rest was a piece of cake in comparison |
| 16:22 | cait | we were doing something wrong about that, but we didn't find out what it was :) |
| 16:22 | it was a really big roundabout in inverness | |
| 16:23 | slef | cait: did you turn off from the inside lane? |
| 16:23 | cait | perhaps we did |
| 16:24 | I have no idea ) | |
| 16:24 | slef | as in from the lane nearest the middle of the roundabout |
| 16:24 | cait | but I was really happy that I had no driver's license, so nobody could force me to drive :) |
| 16:25 | jcamins | cait: very sensible. |
| 16:25 | * jcamins | denied having an international driver's license when he was in Scotland... it seemed more pleasant to be a passenger |
| 16:25 | cait | but I helped shouting: leeeeft! |
| 16:25 | jcamins | Safer to close one's eyes when one isn't the driver. ;) |
| 16:28 | cait | nah, it was fun |
| 16:35 | jwagner | I have driven in England. The last time, the rental car escaped with only minor injuries.... The problem wasn't remembering which side of the road to be on, it was that the roads were so narrow, with no shoulders or any place but the hedgerow to go when a large truck is coming at you. |
| 16:37 | slef | Some roads are a bit narrow. |
| 16:37 | You learn to time reaching wide bits at the same time as oncoming traffic, or backing up or facing down. | |
| 16:38 | It's fairly simple to spot drivers through the narrows on the road into the village who aren't used to them - they're the ones who pick the hedge instead of a gap. | |
| 16:39 | There is one narrow road I try to avoid. It's an A road but has too many trucks and buses using it. | |
| 16:40 | SatNavs love it, though. | |
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| 16:50 | Brooke | yo |
| 16:50 | jwagner | slef, yet another fun part of driving in England was the disconcerting habit people had of parking in the middle of the road. |
| 16:50 | wizzyrea | slef: is that the road that went through the tiny town that tried to get itself taken off the map in order to reduce sat-nav generated traffic? |
| 16:51 | slef | wizzyrea: actually no, but that's not far from here. |
| 16:52 | wizzyrea: it's about 15 miles north from that one. | |
| 16:52 | wizzyrea | hee! |
| 16:52 | slef | wizzyrea: the problem with Wedmore isn't narrows, it's historic buildings on tight bends. |
| 16:53 | wizzyrea | slef: Ah! No wonder they wanted to get rid of the trucks and what-not vibrating their buildings apart |
| 16:53 | jcamins | Whoops. |
| 16:54 | jwagner | Reminds me of one place I visited last time -- where my dad was stationed in WWII. He was with 3rd Armored Division, and the villagers still remember those Yanks trying to navigate tanks through narrow streets and around tight corners. |
| 16:54 | slef | wizzyrea: Wedmore only has B roads, so trucks wouldn't use it except for satnavs making low-quality straight B roads seem faster than less direct but faster and easier A roads. Wainfleet (All Saints?) in Lincolnshire used to have similar problems and that was a Z-bend on an A road. |
| 16:54 | * jcamins | just realized that he's been happily working around a fully-functional "clone subfield" feature all day. |
| 16:54 | jcamins | chris_n++ |
| 16:54 | owen++ | |
| 16:54 | (for the work both of them did in making the clone subfield feature work) | |
| 16:55 | wizzyrea | chris_n++ owen++ |
| 16:56 | Brooke | how's the "clone developer" feature going? |
| 16:57 | jcamins | Brooke: you were nominated to develop it. You tell us. :) |
| 16:57 | Brooke | I pushed it to Chris |
| 16:57 | go ask him :P | |
| 16:57 | chris | hey, i helped make 2 new ones at hackfest |
| 16:58 | cait | hehe |
| 16:58 | hi chris | |
| 16:58 | chris | oh 3, nate too |
| 16:59 | and yes, i did see hackfest as the perfect place for growing developers, i agree with that part of pauls email | |
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| 17:00 | Brooke | my wrestling match is |
| 17:00 | speak of the devil | |
| 17:00 | is timing before http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks's_law kicks in | |
| 17:01 | I think 3 months slack on any given deadline should do, but I'm a dunce | |
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| 17:03 | cait | chris: I was really happy about learning so many new things about git |
| 17:03 | and it was great that you took the time to teach me :) | |
| 17:09 | jwagner | chris, is the Ten years in ten minutes presentation online somewhere? |
| 17:09 | chris | yeah its on youtube |
| 17:10 | jwagner | Ah. Didn't look there. Got a URL handy? |
| 17:10 | wizzyrea | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1a2VN_pec |
| 17:10 | jwagner | Thanks. |
| 17:10 | * Brooke | is slowly syncing up video presentations on the wiki. |
| 17:11 | hdl | congrats druthb |
| 17:11 | druthb | Thanks, hdl. :) |
| 17:12 | jcamins | druthb: are congratulations in order? If so, congratulations. |
| 17:12 | druthb | jcamins, I'll let you be the judge of that; opinions may vary. I have been persuing a legal name change, which was finalized by the court on Friday. |
| 17:13 | jcamins | Oh, congratulations! |
| 17:13 | druthb | thanks. :) |
| 17:13 | jcamins | That's wonderful news! Now you just have to spend the next gazillion years trying to get everyone to correct our name. :) |
| 17:14 | *your | |
| 17:14 | druthb | yup. A few key documents will make a lot of inroads on that; I really haven't had much trouble with day-to-day stuff. |
| 17:15 | A passport trumps a lot of other documents in this country, so despite not needing to travel out of the country, I may well get one, as it is possible to get one with the gender-marker on it that I want. *shrug* | |
| 17:18 | jcamins | And apparently it doesn't actually matter if the name on your bank accoutns and credit cards matches your legal name. |
| 17:18 | druthb | The bank records have my (now out-of-date) legal name, but I have a debit card with my (former alias/now legal name) on it. |
| 17:19 | But a copy of the court order will correct the discrepancy, I am told. | |
| 17:19 | jcamins | I have a bank account which is in a name that was never mine, and it doesn't seem to trouble the bank (though I find it rather troubling). |
| 17:20 | druthb | I would find that troublesome, yes. |
| 17:20 | jcamins | And I never even changed my name. |
| 17:21 | Anyway, that's wonderful news. :) | |
| 17:32 | Brooke | k |
| 17:32 | someone tell me how I'm meant to change the default messaging preferences for a given patron category | |
| 17:33 | cait | is there a bug for something really boring that doesn't need much thinking? |
| 17:33 | * cait | is bored but can't concentrate ;) |
| 17:33 | Brooke | lookin' here |
| 17:33 | http://intranet.bywatersolutio[…]ie.pl?op=add_form | |
| 17:34 | cait | what's the login? |
| 17:34 | Brooke | and my wee cursor will not get into a box. I only have one drop down for advance notice, and I've checkboxen at the side. Is this a switch that needs an "on" elsewhere in parameters? |
| 17:34 | wizzyrea | bywater/bywater |
| 17:34 | cait | oh |
| 17:34 | wizzyrea | you added one? |
| 17:35 | and you click edit? | |
| 17:35 | cait | that's great - I have seen that too, but it vanished |
| 17:35 | wizzyrea | and you don't see the default messaging preferences? |
| 17:35 | cait | it's great that someone else is seeing it too :) |
| 17:35 | wizzyrea: the table is broken | |
| 17:35 | Brooke | yep |
| 17:35 | wizzyrea | weird, it's not in my one that's tracking master |
| 17:35 | cait | hm, but I am seeing it in German and the language chooser is not there |
| 17:36 | Brooke | the submit itself might be wonky, but I've not been circling like a hawk, so it could well have timed out. Reloading it. |
| 17:36 | cait | wizzyrea: yeah, that was my problem, saw it in one of our installations but couldn't reproduce it |
| 17:36 | and I think it vanished at some point after updating | |
| 17:36 | hm. I think after I recreated the database | |
| 17:37 | Brooke | *nod* |
| 17:37 | the form's taking now | |
| 17:37 | druthb | Brooke, hard to tell, but there may be something awry with the message_transports, that's normally what causes the pulldowns for email vs sms to appear, unless there have been big changes in that area. |
| 17:37 | Brooke | but I still can't jigger with the table |
| 17:37 | I will just tell people to blissfully ignore it for now | |
| 17:38 | wizzyrea | hmmm |
| 17:38 | that seems odd | |
| 17:39 | this is what mine looks like: http://screencast.com/t/N3LTTS9oymah | |
| 17:40 | Brooke | I'm thinking I might have to flip a switch in parameters *someplace* |
| 17:40 | * owen | hands wizzyrea some tabs to go with her tabs |
| 17:40 | wizzyrea | shhhhhhh |
| 17:40 | * jcamins | boggles |
| 17:40 | jcamins | I have 7, and that seems like a lot to me. |
| 17:40 | wizzyrea | ... |
| 17:41 | Brooke | it's impolite to comment on a lady's tabs, tyvm |
| 17:41 | * druthb | has three, and that's a-plenty. |
| 17:41 | cait | lol |
| 17:41 | wizzyrea | admittedly, this is pushing the realm of what's possible to deal with >.> |
| 17:41 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I'm glad to see that Koha is well-represented. :) |
| 17:41 | owen | Firefox just threatened to quit on me just looking at it |
| 17:41 | wizzyrea | lol. It's chrome, it can handle it >.> |
| 17:42 | jcamins | It must be nice having a powerful computer. |
| 17:42 | wizzyrea | pff |
| 17:42 | it's *chrome* | |
| 17:42 | it's just that awesome. | |
| 17:43 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I use chrome at home, and I still start having problems if I go above a dozen tabs. |
| 17:43 | wizzyrea | …there's nothing special about my computer |
| 17:44 | revision: the only thing that's special about my computer is me. | |
| 17:44 | some people think I have an aura | |
| 17:44 | cait | hehe |
| 17:44 | wizzyrea is now known as wizzy_lun | |
| 17:44 | Brooke | most people have an aura. How silly ;) |
| 17:44 | wizzy_lun | ch |
| 17:44 | * jcamins | wonders if wizzyrea's aura is available in bottles :) |
| 17:45 | wizzy_lun | lol |
| 17:46 | http://www.thedoghousediaries.com/?p=1820 | |
| 17:46 | and with that | |
| 17:46 | I bid you adieu. | |
| 17:46 | for now. | |
| 17:49 | chris | time for a shower for me, bbiab |
| 17:49 | paul_p | time to go back home for me. see you tomorrow |
| 17:49 | slef | grrr |
| 17:50 | nengard | okay - so owen you can hate me - but i just don't get firebug .... how the heck do i find out what style is controlling a specific part of a page? |
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| 17:50 | Brooke | oooh oooh mr. kotter, mr. kotter |
| 17:50 | slef | erm, that makes it harder :) |
| 17:50 | jcamins | nengard: ... I'll comment when you get back. |
| 17:51 | * Brooke | thinks it would be the bee's knees to have a firebug style interface to parameters |
| 17:51 | jcamins | o.O |
| 17:51 | That would be a lot of work. | |
| 17:52 | Brooke | it would ultimately save a lot of work |
| 17:52 | jcamins | Yes, true. |
| 17:52 | Brooke | and it would make the interface a lot more user friendly |
| 17:52 | plus | |
| 17:52 | firebug is theoretically open source | |
| 17:52 | unlike say erm cover flow | |
| 17:53 | which would also be neat and a lot of work | |
| 17:53 | jcamins | ... I think I'm thinking about something completely different from what you are. |
| 17:53 | Brooke | no |
| 17:53 | those are two completely different ideas :D | |
| 17:53 | cait | jcamins: don't worry, I think it's normal |
| 17:53 | jcamins | I was going to say "even better would be to make the behavior predictable." |
| 17:53 | * cait | hides |
| 17:54 | jcamins | cait: lol |
| 17:54 | cait | I got lost at the bee's knees |
| 17:55 | jcamins | cait: "really great" |
| 17:55 | cait | strange |
| 17:55 | owen | Don't worry cait, it's a pretty old-fashioned usage |
| 17:56 | jcamins | I have no idea where it comes from, but that's what it means. |
| 17:56 | Brooke | http://www.etymonline.com/inde[…]erm=bee's%20knees |
| 18:02 | cait | thank you all :) |
| 18:03 | Brooke | aiiii taverna cretekou is luring me with its dreaded siren song. |
| 18:03 | Brooke left #koha | |
| 18:04 | * jcamins | reflects briefly on the fact that he lives in a Greek neighborhood, and hasn't had any Greek food in almost a year |
| 18:04 | jcamins | Rather, any non-pastry Greek food. ;) |
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| 18:11 | * slef | bombs away |
| 18:12 | slef | nengard: don't you click "Inspect" and then the part of the page whose style you want to find out, or has the firebug interface changed? |
| 18:12 | nengard | um ... maybe :) never done it successfully |
| 18:12 | will try in a sec | |
| 18:12 | on to another task | |
| 18:33 | hdl left #koha | |
| 18:35 | * chris | goes to catch his bus |
| 18:35 | chris | bbiab |
| 18:38 | nengard | okay slef i tried that - but i'm not getting anything that looks like the html element or the css that's controlling where i clicked .... |
| 18:39 | jcamins | nengard: I don't know how to use Firebug, but Chrome's built-in debugger is really helpful. |
| 18:39 | nengard | might have to go switch to chrome for this task |
| 18:39 | jcamins | And it does what you're asking about. |
| 18:47 | owen | nengard: I can't help bug think something is missing |
| 18:47 | s/bug/but | |
| 18:47 | nengard: You have the firebug pane open? | |
| 18:47 | nengard | yes |
| 18:48 | owen | and you clicked the button to inspect? |
| 18:48 | nengard | yes |
| 18:49 | owen | And what happens when you mouse over the web page? Do you see a blue outline? |
| 18:49 | nengard | no |
| 18:49 | i do see little flickers in the firebug pane | |
| 18:50 | but no blue outlines | |
| 18:50 | owen | when you click the "inspect" button, does the "HTML" tab become active? |
| 18:50 | nengard | nope |
| 18:50 | DOM | |
| 18:50 | should i click html first and then inspect | |
| 18:50 | wizzy_lun | can you click the html tab? |
| 18:51 | nengard | i can |
| 18:51 | and when i do i get it | |
| 18:51 | until i click inspect and it goes back to DOM | |
| 18:51 | wizzy_lun | can you then inspect |
| 18:51 | weird. do you possibly need an update to either firebug or firefox? | |
| 18:51 | nengard | i can try |
| 18:53 | reinstalling firebug | |
| 18:54 | and the same thing is happening | |
| 18:55 | * cait | would really like to stand behind nengard and see her screen right now |
| 18:55 | cait | it's so much easier that way |
| 18:55 | wizzy_lun | :/ yea |
| 18:56 | there's always logmein | |
| 18:56 | wizzy_lun is now known as wizzyrea | |
| 18:56 | wizzyrea | almost as good |
| 18:56 | owen | Something is definitely wrong with your setup nengard, but I can't think what |
| 18:56 | nengard | bleh |
| 18:56 | wizzyrea | I'd try chrome |
| 18:56 | it's basically got firebug built in | |
| 18:56 | nengard | yup - jcamins said that |
| 18:56 | gonna do that now | |
| 18:57 | wizzyrea | that's kind of the nuclear option |
| 18:57 | but, it will work | |
| 18:57 | and there you can right click -> inspect | |
| 18:57 | sometimes you have to do it twice, I've noticed | |
| 18:57 | jcamins | And then you'll have Chrome, which is kind of cool. |
| 18:58 | chris_n | slef is so very colorful :-) |
| 18:58 | "If you don't want people to be suspicious, don't walk softly behind them with knives, even if you're just making sandwiches." | |
| 18:58 | cait | yeah |
| 18:58 | owen | nengard: wizzyrea's comment makes me wonder whether in Firefox you have an "inspect" option when you right click |
| 18:58 | cait | that was a good one |
| 18:58 | * chris_n | will now be very careful when making sandwiches from now on |
| 18:59 | nengard | owen - why yes I do!!! |
| 18:59 | and it does open in the HTML window but It's a blank HTML window | |
| 18:59 | i mean HTML tab in firebug | |
| 18:59 | owen | nengard: Could you have a conflicting addon maybe? |
| 18:59 | wizzyrea | your thing has about got to be busted somehow |
| 19:00 | * wizzyrea | wonders if she could be *more* vague |
| 19:00 | druthb | "It doesn't work!" |
| 19:00 | jcamins | "Something doesn't work!" |
| 19:01 | nengard | hmm - much more info in chrome :) |
| 19:01 | owen | "Thingy no worky!" |
| 19:01 | jcamins | "Broke!" |
| 19:01 | cait | the machine is broken |
| 19:01 | * druthb | has had support tickets from a Koha customer that were nothing more than "it doesn't work." She finds those...un-useful. |
| 19:02 | owen | I like the reports that say: "Koha wasn't working, so we restarted the computer..." |
| 19:03 | wizzyrea | I had one the other day |
| 19:03 | "a dropdown isn't working" | |
| 19:03 | ... | |
| 19:03 | nengard | hehe |
| 19:03 | wizzyrea | which drop down? |
| 19:03 | cait | very helpful g |
| 19:12 | @karma committee | |
| 19:12 | munin | cait: committee has neutral karma. |
| 19:13 | jcamins | Go figure. |
| 19:13 | @karma budget_committee | |
| 19:13 | munin | jcamins: budget_committee has neutral karma. |
| 19:13 | jcamins | !!! |
| 19:13 | cait | @karma ie |
| 19:13 | munin | cait: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 13 times for a total karma of -13. |
| 19:14 | druthb | lol |
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| 19:17 | richard | hi |
| 19:18 | chris | back |
| 19:18 | cait | wb chris |
| 19:18 | chris | spent the bus ride talking to a forensic accountant policewoman, who works in the money laundering unit |
| 19:18 | best bus ride ever! | |
| 19:19 | wizzyrea | !! |
| 19:19 | cait | wow |
| 19:19 | * cait | wants to go back to nz... |
| 19:19 | cait | but would probably not understand her... |
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| 19:20 | jcamins | A forensic accountant policewoman? Wow, I didn't know there was such a thing. That almost makes accounting sound interesting. |
| 19:21 | chris | yeah, think of them as csi, for money |
| 19:24 | was an interesting talk | |
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| 19:30 | larsw | Charles Stross's books have had forensic accountants at least a couple of times |
| 19:30 | * larsw | &heart; Stross scifi |
| 19:31 | chris | lenora++ |
| 19:34 | cait | yes, lenora++ |
| 19:34 | chris | threads_that_jump_the_shark-- |
| 19:35 | cait | hm, first bee's knees and now chris wants to jump a shark... |
| 19:35 | owen | This conversation really gets my goat |
| 19:36 | And that's straight from the horse's mouth! | |
| 19:36 | * chris_n | thinks that's mighty corny owen |
| 19:36 | jwagner | cait, another pop culture reference. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jump_the_shark |
| 19:36 | cait | owen: grrr |
| 19:36 | ;) | |
| 19:37 | jwagner | or Bah, to tie in with my earlier comments about sheep :-) |
| 19:38 | * druthb | groans. |
| 19:38 | chris | larsw: added to my toread list :) |
| 19:38 | larsw | chris, :) |
| 19:38 | * larsw | needs to learn to read faster |
| 19:41 | eternalsw | I'm having trouble allowing holds. I have made sure there are good values under circulation rules. I've made sure OPACItemHolds is set to Allow as well as AllowOnShelfHolds. When I try to make a hold through opac, it comes up with "This title cannot be requested" If I do it through the admin panel, it says the user has too many holds. The user doesn't have any holds. The group the user is part of is set to be able to have 5 holds |
| 19:41 | that item type. Any ideas? | |
| 19:42 | cait | I heard you need to add a default rule to koha now |
| 19:42 | but have not tested it yet | |
| 19:42 | wizzyrea | eternalsw: what version? |
| 19:43 | cait | wizzyrea: good first question.. should go to bed |
| 19:43 | eternalsw | version 3.2 using the repository for debian squeeze. |
| 19:51 | adding in the default item worked, however this overrides the rules for the other items. | |
| 19:51 | * druthb | leaves to catch the bus. |
| 19:51 | druthb left #koha | |
| 19:53 | chris | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roadmap_to_3.4 |
| 19:53 | thanks slef for prodding me | |
| 19:53 | ive now tried to make it more clear | |
| 19:57 | eternalsw | my issue seems to be http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4530 |
| 19:57 | munin | 04Bug 4530: major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Circulation & fines rules aren't always applied from most specific to less specific |
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| 20:02 | cait | hi magnus |
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| 20:04 | Brooke | yo |
| 20:06 | chris | oy |
| 20:07 | wizzyrea | yooy |
| 20:08 | chris_n | yoyo |
| 20:10 | * cait | gets more and more confused |
| 20:11 | cait | time to sleep - good night all |
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| 20:14 | magnus | yo |
| 20:15 | trea | hi magnus |
| 20:15 | magnus | hi trea |
| 20:21 | Brooke | magnus :) |
| 20:21 | you're 10 minutes too late for cait | |
| 20:23 | magnus | yeah she said hi while i was looking elsewhere and logged off before i got back... |
| 20:24 | Brooke | doh |
| 20:24 | magnus | i'll see her tomorrow though ;-) |
| 20:25 | (i hope) | |
| 20:25 | nengard | magnus - i'm heading to my front door to see if i have my book ... if not i'm gonna have them ship more :( |
| 20:26 | Brooke | gl |
| 20:26 | chris | don is reading my copy |
| 20:27 | nengard | cool! |
| 20:27 | and no books for me :( | |
| 20:27 | GRRR | |
| 20:27 | Brooke | :/ |
| 20:28 | magnus | ouch |
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| 20:28 | magnus | perhaps the mailman is reading them as we speak? |
| 20:28 | hiya sekjal! | |
| 20:28 | Brooke | hi sekjal |
| 20:28 | chris | hey sekjal |
| 20:29 | sekjal | hi, everyone! |
| 20:30 | safe journeys for those of you I met at KohaCon? | |
| 20:30 | chris | yep, barring nate, everyone is back home |
| 20:31 | sekjal | hopefully he's having a good vacation |
| 20:31 | jwagner | Long and tiring trip home. Maybe I should just move to NZ :-) |
| 20:31 | sekjal | jwagner: definitely considered it, myself |
| 20:32 | jwagner | heh heh |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | anybody know how "the question" went? |
| 20:32 | sekjal | the answer was "yes" |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | speaking of nate |
| 20:32 | YAY | |
| 20:33 | jcamins | brendan said that Nate was getting married, so I think the answer must have been "yes." |
| 20:33 | * wizzyrea | pops a cork for Nate |
| 20:33 | jcamins | Either that or there's quite a story. |
| 20:33 | Or you're talking about a different question entirely, and brendan mentioned that unrelated to "the question." ;) | |
| 20:35 | wizzyrea | !! |
| 20:37 | loving the openlibrary PoC. That is wicked awesome. | |
| 20:37 | (proof of concept) | |
| 20:37 | * jwagner | is going home now -- still trying to shake off jet lag |
| 20:37 | wizzyrea | chris++ |
| 20:37 | chris | at some point i might make it actually do something |
| 20:37 | more useful | |
| 20:37 | sekjal | g'night, jwagner! |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | well, the fact that you can get the subjects from such a complete source is pretty sweet |
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| 20:39 | chris | well its related subjets |
| 20:39 | bold is our subjects, the links are what open library thinks are related subjects | |
| 20:39 | wizzyrea | but their algorithm for determining related subjects is pretty great |
| 20:39 | chris | http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-[…]heads/openlibrary |
| 20:39 | its there, fwiw | |
| 20:40 | * Brooke | smiles broadly |
| 20:41 | Brooke | now just make the related subjects dance like liveplasma |
| 20:41 | http://www.liveplasma.com/ | |
| 20:41 | cooler than aquabrowser's diagramming | |
| 20:41 | sekjal | oh, right, diagrams! |
| 20:41 | speaking of | |
| 20:42 | got that map of C4's dependencies enhanced a bit | |
| 20:42 | cycles highlighted in red | |
| 20:42 | chris_n | sekjal: where's it at? |
| 20:42 | sekjal | on my laptop right now... going to grab that and post |
| 20:42 | will link once it's up | |
| 20:42 | wizzyrea | something like this with openlibrary subjects would be cool too |
| 20:42 | http://www.literature-map.com/ | |
| 20:44 | Brooke | that map is less sexy than aquabrowser |
| 20:44 | * Brooke | craves lines. |
| 20:45 | * wizzyrea | doesn't like lines… too messy. |
| 20:45 | * Brooke | also <3s differing sizes |
| 20:45 | wizzyrea | differing sizes I can agree with :) |
| 20:46 | aw, I liked that plasma visualizer until they drew in the lines :P | |
| 20:46 | aside: huh. no wonder my music collection looks like it does. | |
| 20:47 | sekjal | ah, got to do a git-pull and regenerate the map... there have been commits since I got home |
| 20:48 | chris | meeting time |
| 20:48 | bbiab | |
| 20:48 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_a | |
| 20:52 | * owen | doesn't find aquabrowser useful |
| 20:54 | eternalsw | I managed to fix my issue. in /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Reserves.pm line 409, I changed '*' to '".$biblio->{itemtype}."' |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | you should submit that as a patch |
| 20:55 | eternalsw | what's the diff format |
| 20:55 | sekjal | http://bywatersolutions.com/wp[…]p-new-colored.pdf |
| 20:56 | * wizzyrea | 's head explodes |
| 20:56 | sekjal | it's still huge... but can be picked through a little easier |
| 20:56 | I'm seeing a cycle between C4::Reserves, C4::Search and C4::XSLT | |
| 20:57 | jcamins_a | What's the red? |
| 20:58 | sekjal | red lines should be highlighted cycles |
| 20:58 | jcamins_a | Ah. |
| 20:58 | sekjal | I might be missing some highlighting... but its at least a LITTLE more readable than the original |
| 20:59 | next step is to strip out all the modules that aren't both used and using, simplifying the view a lot | |
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| 21:04 | eternalsw | anywhere to find patching guidelines? I see coding guidelines, but I need to know the diff flags required for the patch generation. |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea | we use git, if that helps |
| 21:05 | Brooke | this is for doc patches |
| 21:05 | https://lists.koha-community.o[…]istinfo/koha-docs | |
| 21:05 | I know nicole has info for patch patches somewhere | |
| 21:05 | cause she like just linked it to me | |
| 21:05 | jcamins_a | koha-patcheslists.koha-community.org I think. |
| 21:06 | To create a patch you commit the changes in git, then do git format-patch -1 | |
| 21:06 | Brooke | Reporting and patching Koha bugs can be a simple process if you follow the many tutorials on the wiki and mailing lists. For those who are all ready to start patching, here are the steps you want to follow: |
| 21:06 | Report a bug (or enhancement) | |
| 21:06 | Make yourself the assignee for that bug and change the Status to ‘Assigned’ so that others know you’re working on the bug | |
| 21:06 | Write your patch and send it to the patches list | |
| 21:06 | Change the bug Importance to ‘PATCH-Sent’ and attach your patch to the bug | |
| 21:06 | Following these simple steps will keep everyone in the loop as you work on and fix bugs/features in Koha. | |
| 21:07 | from http://koha-community.org/koha[…]ue-8-august-2010/ | |
| 21:07 | wizzyrea | also this: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 21:07 | see: share your work | |
| 21:08 | eternalsw | guess I'll set up another machine for development then :D |
| 21:10 | gmcharlt | always a good idea in any case |
| 21:11 | * Brooke | suspects gmcharlt's cave is full of naught but blinking leds and boxen of chocolate... |
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| 21:19 | wizzyrea | and cats. |
| 21:20 | cats like computers | |
| 21:20 | the white noise… the warmth | |
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| 21:26 | Brooke | hi eric |
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| 21:45 | Brooke | :) |
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| 22:18 | chris | back |
| 22:19 | eternalsw: there are scripts to build packages from git | |
| 22:19 | so you can do you work in your repo, and deploy via packages | |
| 22:19 | which is what we try to do at my work | |
| 22:20 | eternalsw | great. I'll be sure to take a look at that. |
| 22:21 | chris | robin is the best person to talk to about that |
| 22:21 | robin | eternalsw: in the debian dir is 'build-git-snapshot'. That's a good place to start. |
| 22:22 | eternalsw: also: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_Debian_Packages | |
| 22:24 | wizzyrea | nengard: remember your deal with firebug and how nice it would have been to show us what was going on on your screen? |
| 22:24 | nengard | yuh huh |
| 22:25 | wizzyrea | check out http://join.me |
| 22:27 | chris | speaking of .me |
| 22:27 | http://about.me/chriscormack | |
| 22:29 | kinda silly | |
| 22:29 | but fun | |
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| 22:31 | wizzyrea | oh yea I saw that |
| 22:35 | chris | how about tweetnest? |
| 22:35 | im the king of 'because i can' | |
| 22:36 | http://tweetnest.bigballofwax.co.nz/ | |
| 22:41 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 22:41 | that's funny | |
| 22:41 | and handy | |
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