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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | fredericd joined #koha | |
| 00:42 | chris | that was a fun email to write |
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| 01:09 | jcamins_a | chris++ # for making MARC sound fun |
| 01:11 | chris | hehe |
| 01:11 | jcamins_a is now known as jcamins | |
| 01:13 | brendan_l | maybe the emailed nate |
| 01:13 | chris | s/fun/confusing as hell/ |
| 01:27 | brendan_l | heya jcamins |
| 01:27 | you're always around - that's nice ;) | |
| 01:28 | jcamins | brendan_l: no I'm not. It just seems like it because I'm almost never not around. ;) |
| 01:28 | brendan_l | I agree to disagree |
| 01:28 | jcamins | You're pretty much always around too, I notice. |
| 01:30 | brendan_l | yeah my wife calls my computer - lady laptop |
| 01:30 | I tried tricking sonja - by having my computer announce the hour in a mans voice | |
| 01:30 | but it didn't trick her | |
| 01:32 | jcamins | Heh. No, I wouldn't think it would work. |
| 01:45 | * chris_n | thinks chris should teach MARC-101 |
| 01:51 | chris | hehe |
| 01:51 | i only know what i read at the LOC site | |
| 01:56 | chris_n | the new links to the LOC tag descriptions are a nice feature |
| 01:57 | those in the MARC editor that is | |
| 01:57 | chris | yep |
| 01:58 | you might like to point out that to stacy | |
| 01:58 | say that official koha has links to the docs at LOC in the marc editor | |
| 02:16 | jcamins | Good night, #koha |
| 02:16 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_a | |
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| 02:25 | Brooke | yo |
| 02:26 | chris_n | yoyo |
| 02:26 | * chris_n | really needs to find something to do |
| 02:27 | Brooke | have you considered going outside? |
| 02:28 | if you're *that* bored, I could always spout off features or interface improvements >:) | |
| 02:30 | chris_n | ha! |
| 02:31 | Brooke | <--- evil |
| 02:31 | * chris_n | is trying to finish up writing on Koha and the cloud |
| 02:31 | Brooke | who's your audience? |
| 02:32 | chris_n | but inspite of all the clouds, its mighty dry :-) |
| 02:32 | libraries... I'm working with nengard to write a chapter in a book | |
| 02:32 | Brooke | tee hee |
| 02:32 | hope it's not for Neal Schuman | |
| 02:34 | chris_n | hmm.... that bad? |
| 02:35 | Brooke | longest chapter of me life |
| 02:35 | never again | |
| 02:36 | and I'm pretty sure they hosed me on copyright | |
| 02:36 | if I ever confirm that, I might sue. | |
| 02:40 | Is it not curious that we have a certain amount of redundancy but not in the neighbourhood of organisation? | |
| 02:50 | okay, the RFCs have officially numbed me brain | |
| 02:50 | cheers | |
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| 05:43 | brendan | evening |
| 06:00 | cait joined #koha | |
| 06:00 | cait | hi #koha |
| 06:04 | chris | hiya cait and brendan |
| 06:04 | brendan | heya chris and cait |
| 06:04 | cait | hi chris and brendan :) |
| 06:04 | brendan | cait are you on normal times yet? |
| 06:05 | cait | it's getting better |
| 06:05 | and it has too, don't want to fall asleep at my father's birthday party today :) | |
| 06:05 | brendan | ah - well happy birth to him |
| 06:06 | and that's great that you're getting better | |
| 06:06 | I think nengard and sekjal landed back home tonight (after about 20+ travel | |
| 06:07 | chris | yep, thats what 4square tells me |
| 06:07 | 37 hours for russ and I to kohacon06 .. so it must have been round the same for cait etc | |
| 06:08 | cait | around 30 flight time |
| 06:08 | * chris | has done the 13 hour flight to/from the US far too many times :) |
| 06:08 | cait | not including bug and train |
| 06:08 | bug = bus | |
| 06:08 | brendan | heh - I guess it was the layover in detriot that made nengards trip long |
| 06:08 | and some time in LAX | |
| 06:08 | chris | yup |
| 06:08 | brendan | cait rides bugs :) |
| 06:09 | chris | hehe |
| 06:09 | cait | hmpf |
| 06:09 | chris | will be short for you next year, if we can convince mj |
| 06:10 | you could do it all on the train :) | |
| 06:10 | cait | nah, perhaps better fly from zürich |
| 06:10 | brendan | YAY |
| 06:10 | I'd vote for that - well maybe next year we'll have enough offers that we'd need to vote | |
| 06:10 | or maybe montrel | |
| 06:10 | ebegin | |
| 06:11 | cait | as long as there is a kohacon next year, I will try to come |
| 06:11 | brendan | that's the attitude |
| 06:11 | I vote for Koha in Fuji ;) | |
| 06:12 | ever listen to the american radio show called "coast to coast" ? | |
| 06:12 | chris | well, if someone wants to do next year, they better volunteer soon, it takes a lot of time to organise |
| 06:13 | im still keen for in the UK | |
| 06:13 | brendan | it's a silly show IMO, all these mental people talk about aliens and ghosts and such |
| 06:13 | cait | yah, uk would be really nice |
| 06:13 | brendan | I've been to the UK before... So I'd go for somewhere I haven't |
| 06:14 | let's have it in NZ next year - I haven't been there ;) | |
| 06:14 | cait | yeah, nz would be great tooo |
| 06:14 | chris | heh |
| 06:14 | cait | there is this great town, starts with a w.... hm |
| 06:15 | chris | im not organising it again |
| 06:15 | brendan | westminster uk ? |
| 06:15 | ah chris have wasabi do it this time or russ | |
| 06:15 | chris | anyone crazy enough to volunteer should be supported :) |
| 06:16 | brendan | I'd put up Santa Barbara - but I don't think I'll have the time next year with the little one on the way |
| 06:16 | chris | no, you wont :) |
| 06:16 | cait | chris: make kristina do it ;) |
| 06:17 | chris | hehe, she did most of the last 3 months anyway |
| 06:17 | brendan | ah I got a nice email from kristina - she's awesome virtually |
| 06:17 | chris | yeah, things would never have gone so smoothly without her telling me what to do :-) |
| 06:18 | cait | hehe |
| 06:18 | brendan | so how did koha do as a conference register |
| 06:18 | chris | worked fine |
| 06:18 | brendan | yeah I thought that was a really cool touch |
| 06:18 | it's the details man - it's the details | |
| 06:19 | chris | was a good proof of concept |
| 06:19 | android phone + koha = mobile library | |
| 06:20 | brendan | so chris do you all have any non open-source software at your work? |
| 06:20 | chris | the QA team have a couple of windows laptops |
| 06:20 | brendan | well do you use any |
| 06:20 | chris | for testing |
| 06:20 | i dont use any | |
| 06:20 | brendan | awesome - not the same here |
| 06:20 | I think you can tell right away (I'm a mac guy) | |
| 06:20 | chris | oh and the design team |
| 06:20 | cait | no, we are all windows, except the servers |
| 06:21 | chris | but everyone else has linux |
| 06:21 | all 100 or so people | |
| 06:21 | brendan | I feel like slef is a better open-source index than wikipedia or google |
| 06:21 | chris | :) |
| 06:21 | brendan | he knows them all and has good advice about them |
| 06:22 | chris | free software, if you talking with slef :) |
| 06:22 | brendan | right |
| 06:22 | cait | :) |
| 06:22 | brendan | that's impressive IMHO |
| 06:22 | it takes a lot to keep up with that much | |
| 06:22 | chris | actually, the older i get the more i lean towards free software, and away from open source |
| 06:23 | we have one windows laptop at home, but the rest of the computers are running linux, including the imac | |
| 06:24 | brendan | I agree so what - I really like the apple hardware - but I find myself using free software on top of that |
| 06:24 | chris | i havent had a windows machine for hmmm 14 years |
| 06:25 | brendan | after researching IE and M$ security the last few days - I went home and delete M$ office from my wife's computer |
| 06:25 | chris | hehe |
| 06:25 | brendan | told her she's got to get used to libreoffice |
| 06:25 | she was totally down :) | |
| 06:26 | chris | :) |
| 06:26 | brendan | alright chris while you're here - I got a question for you |
| 06:26 | chris | fire away |
| 06:26 | brendan | mysql indexing |
| 06:26 | are the barcodes indexed | |
| 06:26 | chris | yup |
| 06:26 | brendan | I took a look at SHOW INDEX from items |
| 06:26 | chris | well they used to be, lemme check |
| 06:27 | brendan | and it didn't make total sense to me |
| 06:27 | I've been mucking with mysql-tuning | |
| 06:27 | and I see that some of the response are telling me that mysql needs more indexing | |
| 06:28 | chris | UNIQUE KEY `itembarcodeidx` (`barcode`) |
| 06:28 | from the kohastructure.sql | |
| 06:28 | now i think someone turned that off, ie turned the unique off | |
| 06:28 | brendan | ok so next step that I haven't done - how can I see if itembarcodeidx is uptodate |
| 06:28 | chris | so you could have items with no barcodes |
| 06:28 | (which is dumb imho) | |
| 06:28 | brendan | agreed |
| 06:29 | chris | just make up a fake one |
| 06:30 | you might want to do | |
| 06:30 | show create table items; | |
| 06:31 | and see if it has an index | |
| 06:31 | seems to be there for me | |
| 06:32 | cait | we use null barcodes... for fake items that point to thinks that are bound together - making up makes it harder for statistics |
| 06:33 | brendan | UNIQUE KEY `itembarcodeidx` (`barcode`), |
| 06:33 | yup | |
| 06:33 | cait | thinks = things... grrr |
| 06:33 | * cait | can't type :( |
| 06:34 | brendan | so itembarcodeidx - is there a way to look at that - or would that all be nonsense |
| 06:34 | chris | nope, if its on its working |
| 06:34 | try this | |
| 06:35 | explain select * from items where barcode = '1234x'; | |
| 06:36 | (put a real barcode) | |
| 06:37 | brendan | ah I see some info in there |
| 06:37 | possible_keys, key | |
| 06:38 | both have itembarcodeidx | |
| 06:38 | whats the select_type mean? | |
| 06:38 | I have SIMPLE | |
| 06:39 | chris | sweet, so if it has that in the keys column, it means its using that |
| 06:39 | possible keys are the ones it could use | |
| 06:39 | keys are the ones it is using | |
| 06:40 | simple means we have no joins, its a straight where using an index | |
| 06:40 | about the faster query there is | |
| 06:41 | brendan | ah ok - lightbulb going off here |
| 06:41 | chris | faster=fastest |
| 06:41 | brendan | basically I'm trying to logically go through all the things that circ is doing and see if there are any missing parts |
| 06:42 | chris | *nod* |
| 06:42 | the trick is | |
| 06:42 | put some warns in there to dump queries | |
| 06:42 | brendan | so I'll be asking questions |
| 06:42 | chris | then use explain |
| 06:42 | to see if they are running using indexes | |
| 06:43 | eg | |
| 06:43 | try this | |
| 06:43 | explain select * from items where barcode like '%1'; | |
| 06:43 | brendan | right - dump as much of the information that circ is trying to build... so we can see |
| 06:43 | chris | you'll see the type is ALL |
| 06:44 | you never want to see that :) | |
| 06:44 | brendan | yup that looks ugly |
| 06:49 | good to see cfouts so active | |
| 06:49 | I feel he's been pluggin away with speed issues cfouts++ | |
| 06:52 | so IYO where's the win with circ... is it mainly the issue of writing transactions so many places | |
| 06:53 | chris | its the xml |
| 06:53 | brendan | so writing it too xml? |
| 06:53 | chris | its updating the xml at the point of circ |
| 06:54 | brendan | and without writing to xml we lose fast-indexing |
| 06:54 | :sigh: | |
| 06:54 | chris | well, we only want to update the items part |
| 06:55 | brendan | yeah basically it's the availability that we're interested in |
| 06:56 | well I guess that only speaks to checkout and not checkin | |
| 06:56 | checkin is interested in more than avialablity | |
| 06:56 | tired of this conversation yet - I feel like I've had this one too many times ;) | |
| 06:57 | chris | hdl has done some promising work on it |
| 06:57 | in my opinion we should hand it off to another process to update the marc | |
| 06:57 | we just want the row in issues | |
| 06:57 | brendan | I think just getting the row in issues would be a major increase in speed |
| 06:58 | is that the solr work by hdl? | |
| 06:58 | chris | nope |
| 06:58 | the indexing is totally seperate to the need to update the marc record | |
| 07:00 | brendan | is his work on the git.biblibre |
| 07:00 | chris | not sure |
| 07:00 | gotta go bbl | |
| 07:00 | (screaming kid) | |
| 07:00 | brendan | bye chris |
| 07:00 | thanks ;) | |
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| 07:32 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Adding 3.2 Release Maintainer to Release Team List <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]84dd26971d27c6f22> |
| 07:35 | brendan | thanks munin |
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| 08:27 | magnus | kia ora, #koha! |
| 08:33 | brendan | heya magnus |
| 08:33 | magnus | hi brendan |
| 08:33 | wassup? | |
| 08:33 | brendan | chilling you? |
| 08:34 | magnus | waiting for the last plane of the trip |
| 08:34 | boooring! ;-) | |
| 08:38 | cait | hi magnus :) |
| 08:38 | how was your flight? | |
| 08:39 | magnus | cait: boring but no big problems |
| 08:40 | bought some nz dessert wine called koha at akl, but was not allowed to bring it into heathrow... :-( | |
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| 08:46 | magnus | better get on my plane now - c u l8er! |
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| 08:59 | brendan | night all |
| 09:33 | cait | bye all :) |
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| 12:11 | chris_n | @later tell cait that patch for overdue notices breaks things |
| 12:11 | munin | chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
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| 13:38 | cait | hi #koha |
| 13:39 | chris_n: so no testing required? ;) | |
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| 14:09 | chris_n | cait: right, I'm just puzzled as to why it has stopped working for me |
| 14:09 | cait | hope my patch didn't break it for you - but it shouldn't |
| 14:09 | chris_n | maybe you can verify that it still works on your system as is |
| 14:10 | cait | I can try, but have no working mail here |
| 14:10 | and I am not at home at the moment | |
| 14:10 | chris_n | I don't think your patch caused it |
| 14:10 | ok | |
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| 14:46 | brendan_l | @wunder 93117 |
| 14:46 | munin | brendan_l: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.1�C (8:01 AM PDT on November 06, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady). |
| 14:50 | slef | moo from railairbus wifi... nearly home now, only a few more hours |
| 14:50 | bbl | |
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| 16:26 | cait | kohacon pictures make me want to go back |
| 16:57 | hm, can someone help me with a url in the xslt files? there is a reference to http://www.koha.org/items | |
| 17:36 | which doesn't exist | |
| 17:36 | but did it exist? and do we need it? | |
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| 19:21 | Nate_ is now known as Nate | |
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| 19:43 | Brooke | yo! |
| 19:46 | * Brooke | guesses that the Kiwis are asleep on a pleasant Sunday morn. |
| 19:47 | Brooke | email meh when you catch this in the logs in re: W3C Library Linked Data Incubator Group soonish plox. Ima goin back to watch the rest of The Girl Who Played with Fire |
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| 22:32 | brendan_l | afternoon |
| 23:52 | @wunder 93117 | |
| 23:52 | munin | brendan_l: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.4�C (5:03 PM PDT on November 06, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Steady). |
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