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00:22 | slef | and we're back |
00:22 | brendan | yay! |
00:23 | slef | http://debian.koha-community.org being demo'd |
00:23 | sekjal | it's awesome. can't wait to play |
00:23 | brendan | ah cool I've mucked with it a little bit |
00:24 | seems pretty awesome | |
00:25 | wizzyrea | it's pretty epic |
00:27 | sekjal | so, now that we have a .deb package, time to revisit TurnKey Linux? |
00:27 | wizzyrea | rather looks that way doesn't it |
00:28 | slef | sekjal: whassat? |
00:28 | wizzyrea | http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ |
00:28 | sekjal | we can create a fully functional Koha appliance |
00:28 | download, and run on VM or burn to disc and load on a machine | |
00:30 | slef | why not just build a livecd with the debs? |
00:30 | why run it on amazon's saas? | |
00:30 | wizzyrea | it doesn't have to be run on amazon |
00:30 | it can be downloaded to a CD iirc | |
00:30 | maybe not anymroe | |
00:30 | more* | |
00:32 | slef | it looks a bit risky, given that libs seem freedom-ignorant sometimes, but support needs freedom to be sustainable |
00:32 | also a 2008 ubuntu? | |
00:33 | wizzyrea | the original time we visited it was probably in 2008, afaik nobody's looked at it since then |
00:33 | at least I haven't | |
00:34 | slef | me neither... not sure how we'd resource this... might it become stale like win32? |
00:34 | wizzyrea | depends on whether the packages stay up to date I guess |
00:38 | slef | they won't stay up to date by themselves... it needs to be resourced and maybe automated |
00:38 | wizzyrea | yep, catalyst has the charge on that atm I think |
00:39 | slef | yeah but someone needs to make/maintain/test the turnkey thing? |
00:39 | wizzyrea | oh oh yes |
00:39 | sorry I misunderstood | |
00:40 | slef | np |
00:43 | wizzyrea | |
00:43 | oops | |
00:46 | slef | Prof. Prasad, DRTC, Bangalore has created a LiveCD with Koha-3.02.00 & |
00:46 | DSpace-1.6.2 integrated with Ubuntu 10.4.1 LTS version. This LiveCD was | |
00:46 | distributed to all the participants. This LiveCD will be uploaded to | |
00:46 | Sourceforge soon. | |
00:46 | from the dbj college workshop report | |
00:47 | someone with a decent keyb want to reply poitively to that | |
00:48 | ? | |
00:52 | sekjal | is this on the list? |
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00:53 | wizzyrea | blast missed owen again |
00:53 | laurenthd | slef: cant see that email you point |
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00:58 | slef | sekjal: yeah, main list I think... 1mo |
00:59 | Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:58:15 +0530 | |
00:59 | From: Sunita Barve <sunitabarvegmail.com> | |
00:59 | To: kohalists.katipo.co.nz | |
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01:25 | sekjal | I'm up after Donovan. Anyone willing to blog me? |
01:25 | It's going to be a much less techie talk than previous. | |
01:25 | hopefully that'll be alright | |
01:26 | slef | so is this guy not liking our current style guidelines? |
01:27 | hrm, apparently not | |
01:28 | wizzyrea | oh, I don't think he's saying that, just wanting us to not wipe the history |
01:28 | understandable | |
01:28 | slef | the CG wiki page is only partial... rest is on kohadocs |
01:29 | wizzyrea | should probably be moved/rewritten |
01:29 | nengard | sekjal i'll do it of course |
01:29 | slef | maybe, yes |
01:29 | cmon sekjal give us an uplifting talk! | |
01:30 | sekjal | I think Donovan just wants us to have a more rigourous set of rules... or at least think about whether we want to |
01:31 | slef | I feel a bit like I've had 2 talks saying we're doing stuff wrong or should be running neater code in the cloud |
01:31 | sekjal | thanks, nengard! |
01:31 | slef | we have thought about whether we want to |
01:31 | sekjal | hopefully my talk won't be complete fluff |
01:32 | nengard | i might have to come take your seat to blog effectively |
01:32 | slef | stumbling block is making it easy for people |
01:32 | wizzyrea | bug 2505 |
01:32 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2505 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, enable Perl warnings in all modules and scripts |
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01:32 | sekjal | I'm going to stay seated, since I've got such an optimal spot |
01:32 | slef | why is that NEW not ASSI? |
01:32 | wizzyrea | no clue |
01:33 | nengard | anyone know how to delete a subset of urls from your firefox browser history-i don't want to wipe it all, just urls that are no longer valid -- aka koha.org |
01:33 | gmcharlt | because while I am certainly doing some work on that bug (see my bug2505), I assuredly hope that I'm not the only one working on it |
01:33 | laurenthd | slef: it has been there for a while. |
01:33 | gmcharlt | gcollum has done rather a lot with that, of course |
01:33 | nengard | yeah that's a problem with bugzilla |
01:33 | laurenthd | slef: it can be nearly closed. |
01:34 | gmcharlt | laurenthd: that's a little optimistic - work on that bug is at most 50% done |
01:34 | mib_bdlpd left #koha | |
01:34 | nengard | slef++ |
01:34 | koha.org gone from history | |
01:34 | no more clicking the wrong link | |
01:35 | laurenthd | first time ever someone tells me i am optimistic |
01:35 | ;) | |
01:35 | wizzyrea | lol |
01:35 | magnus | hehe |
01:35 | slef | mmm, I thought last time I tried to enforce a rule (sql placeholders), laurenthd flamed me, but maybe I misremember |
01:36 | oh goody an OReilly advert | |
01:36 | * slef | would shoot most of the animal books if he could |
01:37 | wizzyrea | ooo |
01:37 | are you feeling a bit stabby, slef? | |
01:37 | slef | you know the crack in time in Dr Who? that erases stuff from history? |
01:37 | tip ORA in it | |
01:38 | magnus | my office shelf would be rather empty, then... |
01:38 | as well as my head ;-) | |
01:38 | gmcharlt | laurenthd: but certainly we can make a good bit of progress for 3.4, if not close it outright |
01:38 | slef | magnus: yeah, they dominate perl in particular |
01:39 | magnus | yep |
01:39 | slef | it's bad for perl, being dominated by one gatekeeper |
01:41 | brendan | sekjal++ #for a good presentation coming :) |
01:41 | cait | sekjal: what is your presentation about? |
01:42 | sekjal | Possible directions for Koha 4.0 |
01:42 | slef | It's not like we need more tools to whinge at us. We need more tools to help us fix stuff. |
01:42 | magnus | slef++ |
01:43 | laurenthd | gmcharlt: I agree. |
01:44 | slef: which patch ? | |
01:44 | slef | I'm seriously temopted to go off and butcher the wiki to remove stuff, but I want to hear sekjal's forward-looking talk. |
01:45 | laurenthd: something back in 2.x | |
01:45 | nengard | sekjal has a ton of awesome ideas |
01:45 | cait | sekjal: cool! |
01:45 | nengard | sometimes we have reign him back into the present :) |
01:45 | laurenthd | butcher the wiki ? |
01:46 | slef | like debating patron/member/borrower |
01:46 | magnus | just don't butcher any kiwis! ;-) |
01:46 | slef | I'm pretty sure we decided to use ODLIS terms by default a while ago? |
01:47 | maybe that decision was lost in the wiki move | |
01:47 | gmcharlt | slef: yes, I believe so |
01:47 | laurenthd | The problem is that when you look at the code, it still has scars of old times. |
01:47 | slef | so why debate it again? round and round and round |
01:49 | jcamins_a | I am not sure if it's because I'm tired or because y'all are also talking, but I cannot follow this conversation at all. |
01:49 | slef | jcamins_a: a load of questions ave been added to the end of the wiki coding guidelines page |
01:50 | chris | They've been there for a year or so |
01:50 | Well before the move at least | |
01:50 | slef | chris: anyone mention them on-list or in-meeting? |
01:51 | chris | Not sure |
01:51 | It was a long time ago, I think biblibre started | |
01:51 | slef | I struggle to read list mail comprehensively, let alone RecentChanges |
01:51 | wizzyrea | jwagner is going to try and point out that a bunch of these are already out via harley |
01:51 | newsflash: half of them don't work | |
01:52 | brendan | heh |
01:52 | slef | wizzyrea: shall I heckle? ;-) |
01:52 | chris | Why stop now ? |
01:52 | jcamins_a | A bunch of what? |
01:52 | I should just wait for nengard's excellent blog post, shouldn't I? | |
01:53 | slef | jcamins_a: a bunch of sekjal's suggested featuress |
01:53 | * cait | waves to jcamins |
01:53 | slef | sekjal is speaking in the room |
01:53 | wizzyrea | lol |
01:54 | jcamins_a | Ah. |
01:54 | * jcamins_a | waves to cait |
01:54 | cait | :) |
01:54 | nengard | jcamins_a writing now - i yelled at brendan for interrupting me |
01:54 | brendan | I'm good at interrupting ;) |
01:54 | slef | "rebuilding holds: primary key, multiple holds per title, suspension and netflix-style queue, cost matric for hold fulfilment by transfer from branches, bi-directional linked list v numeric queue" |
01:55 | jcamins_a | nengard++ # because without nengard, us poor sleepy USians wouldn't have a clue what was going on |
01:55 | slef | shall I continue typing in the slides? |
01:55 | nengard | also sekjal did some posts this AM too - see twitter |
01:55 | slef | or I could try streaming it to bambuser.com if you want it |
01:55 | jcamins_a | No, I should probably go to sleep anyway. |
01:56 | But kohacon is just so interesting. | |
01:56 | nengard: I'm reading those posts now. | |
01:56 | slef | "rebuilding notices: make all printed slips use templates, priority order for notifications, on-demand messages, librarians can decide which notice types are mandatory and |
01:57 | which are user-configurable, better sms/im support" | |
01:57 | * slef | boogies around sekjal's happy feature list |
01:58 | cait | I will write the next |
01:59 | jcamins_a | Koha 4.0 is going to be awesome! :D |
01:59 | laurenthd | http://github.com/xercode/koha |
01:59 | wizzyrea | i think having a message template for sms would be epic |
01:59 | cait | two tabels: accoutns and accountlines, atomic transactions, syspref for grouping transactions by item or type, pay partially on multiple charges, multi-currency (real time exchange rates) |
01:59 | laurenthd | maybe we could try that C4::Mailer |
01:59 | slef | "rebuilding accounts: accounts and accountlines, atomic transactions, syspref for grouping transactions by itemor by type, pay partially on multiple charges, multi-currency with real-time exchange rates" |
01:59 | laurenthd | could help. |
01:59 | slef | oops |
02:00 | I was wrtie-only | |
02:00 | write-only | |
02:00 | cait | I think it would be neat, if you could choose for notices if you want to send them by email or print them (overdues especially) |
02:00 | ah sorry slef, thought we could take turns :) | |
02:00 | wizzyrea | again, ptfs says they do that |
02:01 | slef | only improvement sekjal could make is to have cool animatuions (explode accounts into two tables) instwad of ppt bullets |
02:01 | cait: you next? | |
02:01 | sorry for not reading | |
02:02 | cait | yep· can do it :) |
02:02 | I was not clear about it | |
02:02 | slef | tyvm |
02:03 | cait | keep only core library data in borrowers table |
02:03 | rest of data user configurable like Extended attributes | |
02:03 | hierarchical borrower types | |
02:03 | borrower preferences | |
02:04 | roles to bundle default preferences and permissions | |
02:04 | slef | (slide title is rebuilding borrowers) |
02:04 | cait | <end of slide> |
02:04 | magnus | could someone please help sekjal with his "infinite time" project? ;-) |
02:05 | wizzyrea | lol |
02:05 | chris | wizzyrea: patch or it didn't happen is the answer to that |
02:05 | brendan | infinite_time++ |
02:05 | cait | infinite_time++ |
02:05 | jcamins_a | infinite_time++ |
02:05 | magnus | infinite_time++ |
02:05 | paul_p | 1000mn per hour would be a good start (infinite_time being probably unreachable ;-) ) |
02:06 | * cait | wants more time to learn to program these things! |
02:06 | gmcharlt | magnus: I'll help if I can get somebody to help with cloning ;) |
02:06 | laurenthd | shared_coding++ |
02:06 | jcamins_a | Better: while (infinite_time++); |
02:06 | laurenthd | little_steps++ |
02:06 | cait | slef: you or me? |
02:06 | wizzyrea | let me rephrase: PTFS would say that those features exist but we haven't pulled them |
02:06 | How's that. | |
02:06 | chris | Patch or it didn't happen |
02:07 | gmcharlt | Patch against master or it didn't happen |
02:07 | cait | "Crossing Borrowers/Authorities: Optional connection of borrower to their authority record, optionally allow borrower... too fast. |
02:07 | chris | Ziggactly |
02:07 | * bfleming | just noticed 3.2.0 was released |
02:08 | laurenthd | Venrods and vendor contacts into borrowers |
02:08 | Merge accounts and acq as single money system | |
02:08 | cait | "Crossing Borrowers/Acq: vendors and vendor contracts into borrowers, merge accounts and acq as single money system, allow borrowers to fllow suggestions through acq process (auto-hold)" |
02:08 | slef | sorry, was distracted by message |
02:08 | laurenthd | allow borrowers to floow suggestions |
02:08 | * brendan | is hearing good things |
02:08 | cait | "Crossing Serials/Acq: manage subscriptions/renewals in acq module, EDI/ONIX support" |
02:09 | brendan | s/hearing/reading |
02:09 | cait | "crossing serials/cataloging: MARC format for holdings data support (UNIMARC equiv?), import, export, search, bindery" |
02:10 | laurenthd | http://www.ifla.org/VI/8/proje[…]oldingsFormat.pdf |
02:10 | cait | "Hourly circ/course reserves: base period of minute, connect to calendar and notices, course reserves: a list materials pulled out (temporarily) for special purpose, electronic reserve" |
02:11 | slef | brendan: I'd hope sekjal isn't announcing unknown-to-bywater stuff! |
02:11 | brendan | gotta pipe in here -- go giants 2-0 bottom of nine |
02:11 | wizzyrea | hourly loans -- something else that we have but don't have. |
02:11 | slef | brendan: v? |
02:11 | brendan | nope - just need to find the time of course |
02:11 | wizzyrea | I'm just sighing about it. Such a waste. |
02:12 | brendan | texas rangers |
02:12 | slef | yeah, go giants |
02:12 | cait | "ERM: new concept: "package" (from ERMI), import holdings from data source, built-in open link resolver, SUSHI statistics, handle usage limitations and access restrictions" |
02:12 | brendan | slef++ |
02:12 | wizzyrea | here's your analytics jcamins ;) |
02:12 | slef | there are envelopes and bottles changing hands here |
02:13 | brendan | beer++ |
02:13 | slef | oh is that why? |
02:13 | cait | "Biblio relationships: beyond analytics, user-configurable relationships between biblios, options item "pass-through", optional MARC representation, could cover FRBR, similar items and more |
02:13 | " | |
02:13 | chris | Yup |
02:13 | Russ is off to buy some more beer | |
02:14 | wizzyrea | woot! beer++ |
02:14 | jcamins_a | Woohoo! analytics++ |
02:14 | slef | I thought it might be red diesel scamming |
02:14 | jcamins_a | Wait, no. |
02:14 | analytics-- | |
02:14 | cait | juice? |
02:14 | jcamins_a | analytic_support++ |
02:14 | cait | "Arbitrary metadata schemas: ..." |
02:15 | slef | Yeah, sekjal is accelerating to finish in time now |
02:15 | jcamins_a | Analytics are the bane of my existence (Durin had the balrog, I have analytics), but support would be nice. |
02:15 | When's "in time"? | |
02:15 | slef | xx30 |
02:15 | cait | "Widgetized staff client: for each module's home page define blocks of screen real estate, have a directory of widgets (easy to add more), allow staff to drag/drop widgets per module onto page, saved as part of their preferences" |
02:15 | jcamins_a | Ooh! |
02:15 | I like that! | |
02:15 | cait | yeah, we really nead cloning and infinite time |
02:16 | "Enhanced circ prefs: like circ rules, but for more things, use key/value table; combo of branch/itype/categorycode gives value | |
02:16 | slef | we need speakers to get N mins free, then X mins extra if a majority approve |
02:16 | cait | default values specified like sysprefs, tool to show applicable rules for combo of inputs" |
02:16 | slef | ;-) |
02:17 | laurenthd | already done |
02:17 | * slef | would be gone after N mins, every time |
02:17 | jcamins_a | Okay, much as I want to stay, I should go to sleep. |
02:17 | Good night, #koha | |
02:17 | brendan | night |
02:17 | laurenthd | night |
02:17 | cait | "Mobile interfaces: both OPAC and staff client, optimize for various smart devicces, connect to camera..." |
02:18 | slef | bye jcamins_a |
02:18 | brendan | mobile_interfaces before 4.0 |
02:18 | imo | |
02:19 | cait | "little ideas: recalls: all current issues with hols on them + button to send message, ILL: like suggestions to user, but managed in different backend, more barcode encodings, multiple LDAPs/Shibboleth support, cron scheduling interface in staff client, OCLC connexion gateway" |
02:19 | slef | bug 1993 |
02:19 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1993 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Task Scheduler Needs Re-write |
02:19 | cait | can I stop now that jcamins is gone? |
02:19 | laurenthd | slef: not new ;) |
02:19 | slef | cait: yes, sekjal and nengard will post |
02:19 | cait | hmpf :) |
02:20 | slef | let's hackle donovan |
02:20 | nengard | almost posted |
02:20 | slef | damn, irc unplugged |
02:20 | sekjal | oh, wow, that's a lot of IRC to catch up on |
02:20 | nengard | http://www.web2learning.net/archives/4299 |
02:21 | slef | sekjal: we're too happy |
02:21 | not sure whether to stay here now | |
02:21 | brendan | good job sekjal - that's the most active IRC session |
02:21 | thanks all for posting your thoughts :) | |
02:21 | sekjal | :) |
02:22 | back to blogging.... | |
02:22 | slef | we suck for cgi being the default still |
02:22 | chris | Yeah we need to fix that |
02:22 | slef | and for leaving people to configure apache |
02:23 | no, we need to be clean for persistance (=enable performance) but not force it. | |
02:24 | Why's it so hot in the hacklab? | |
02:24 | wizzyrea | it's not warmish over here |
02:24 | * slef | moves |
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02:25 | slef | robin-: no breaking my tunnel, man |
02:25 | nengard | slef behind me - got to make sure i don't type about him |
02:25 | :) | |
02:26 | wizzyrea | you might get less than a metaphorical slap with a trout |
02:26 | er more than | |
02:26 | slef | nengard: is that why you're sat right up blocking the screen? |
02:26 | wizzyrea | crikey |
02:26 | nengard | LOL |
02:26 | didn't realize i did it | |
02:26 | robin- | slef: doesn't support SSL :( |
02:26 | paul_p | well... isn't our main perf limit caused by being in CGI mode ? |
02:27 | nengard | slef - bengard might need your expertice :) |
02:27 | did i spell that right? | |
02:27 | slef | mmm, here we go... cgi is default, so we must know stuff all about performance |
02:27 | laurenthd | paul_p: not only |
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02:27 | robin- | paul_p: the start/ shutdown overhead from chi |
02:28 | Err | |
02:28 | chris | Did you bail home darling? |
02:28 | darling | did I miss anything? |
02:28 | slef | paul_p: only if you're running it in cgi mode still |
02:28 | robin- | CGI is a real issue |
02:28 | wizzyrea | you missed sekjal's epic "dreams for koha" talk |
02:28 | darling | chris, yeah, house org to prevent jj from killing me before we head off |
02:28 | paul_p | slef, are you not anymore ? |
02:28 | darling | dreams! |
02:28 | i want | |
02:28 | wizzyrea | (features we would like for koha, crazy ideas, etc) |
02:28 | * darling | will be around tomorrow tho |
02:29 | slef | robin-: ssl: yeah, well, it's not a real proxy, so no ssl cert |
02:29 | darling | ah -- I still need to catch up w/current koha |
02:29 | nengard | is owen here? he might like http://developer.yahoo.com/yslow/ - he loves firebug |
02:29 | darling | is pretty dreamy already |
02:29 | yslow's cool | |
02:29 | slef | robin-: you have ssh+socks to something outside, I'm sure |
02:30 | wizzyrea | @quote add <darling> I still need to catch up with current Koha. Is pretty dreamy already. |
02:30 | munin | wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
02:30 | wizzyrea | noooo |
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02:30 | robin- | slef: can't be bothered setting it up on my phone:) |
02:30 | chris | slef: don't take it so personally this first day is more for the newer developers |
02:30 | gmcharlt | @quote add <darling> I still need to catch up with current Koha. Is pretty dreamy already. |
02:30 | munin | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #101 added. |
02:30 | darling | ! |
02:30 | wizzyrea | there you go |
02:30 | maybe I didn't read that right lol | |
02:31 | gmcharlt | @quote get 100 |
02:31 | munin | gmcharlt: Quote #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw" (added by wizzyrea at 03:41 PM, October 11, 2010) |
02:31 | wizzyrea | that was a funny day |
02:31 | laurenthd | NYTProf as perl profiler |
02:31 | wizzyrea | @quote get 23 |
02:31 | munin | wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 12:25 PM, August 06, 2009) |
02:31 | slef | paul_p: I think we have fcgi or speedy in places, but koha needs more cleaning to use more |
02:31 | * laurenthd | nods |
02:31 | paul_p | chris, agreed, /me really hoping tomorrow & sunday will be more decision oriented days ! |
02:31 | slef, agreed ! | |
02:32 | jwagner | To clarify wizzyrea's comments beginning at http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]10-10-29#i_528527 -- I actually made no comments at all during sekjal's presentation. |
02:32 | chris | It will be, but ppl came from solomons and pakistan for this, nice to have stuff for them too |
02:33 | jwagner | Considering how many people in the room know that,I'm disappointed that no one pointed that out. |
02:33 | slef | chris: why don't ppl look at the work already done? => less time repeating our work, more time to try helpful stuff |
02:33 | jwagner | I thought sekjal had a lot of good ideas. We've done some work in some of those areas, but certainly a lot more could be done. |
02:33 | paul_p | chris, agreed ! (and I learned some things today anyway, on PostgreSQL for example) |
02:33 | chris | Because its scattered and old and mostly broken |
02:34 | slef | scattered ack |
02:34 | chris | At least my stuff is now broken |
02:34 | slef | old mmm koha does not move as fast as sekjal's lovely ideas |
02:35 | paul_p | slef : back to infinite_time ;-) |
02:35 | slef | broken? not when I try stuff from old list posts, but YMMV |
02:35 | brendan | unless we all git clone oourselves |
02:35 | nengard | @later tell owen you might like this - it was talked about at the hackfest http://developer.yahoo.com/yslow/ |
02:35 | munin | nengard: The operation succeeded. |
02:36 | slef | paul_p++ |
02:36 | gmcharlt | nengard: pretty sure he knows about it - http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=463#comment-363 |
02:37 | nengard | of course he does!!! |
02:37 | should have known | |
02:37 | @later tell owen i have been corrected - you already know about it :) | |
02:37 | munin | nengard: The operation succeeded. |
02:37 | slef | maybe hackfest talk requirement should be "tell most everyone one new thing" |
02:38 | munin: tell owen I just felt left out not messaging you. | |
02:38 | munin | slef: Error: I haven't seen owen, I'll let you do the telling. |
02:39 | chris | And he comes the author of xml::simple and a bunch of other modules we use |
02:40 | He=here | |
02:40 | nengard | munin is funny |
02:40 | munin | nengard: Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
02:40 | slef | most everyone is in the talks room, almost no collab hacking today |
02:41 | anyone want a sweetie? | |
02:41 | laurenthd | slef: do you want us to go somewhere ? |
02:41 | darling | question for recent travellers -- should I haul my gigantic but useful 4core laptop w/me on my next north america visit (sunday) or my pocket sized but elegant email checker netbook with the 6hr battery life? I'll have lot's of bored time visiting relatives and loads of separate flights. |
02:42 | brendan | wow giants blow it open 6-0 same inning |
02:42 | wizzyrea | hmm. You have a smartphone that will work in the states? |
02:42 | chris | Its all hacking all the time tomorrow |
02:43 | I'm conserving energy :) | |
02:43 | darling | wizzyrea, -- if I can get a sim card, yeah |
02:43 | wizzyrea | then I"d pack the big lappy, and use the phone for the little stuff. |
02:43 | slef | laurenthd: is there stuff we could hack? |
02:43 | darling | wizzyrea, good idea |
02:43 | sold | |
02:43 | slef | darling: triband+edge? |
02:43 | sekjal | my apologies, all, but I've got to duck out of the room for a phone call |
02:43 | darling | was kind of the answer I wanted |
02:44 | quad band I think | |
02:44 | sekjal | I really REALLY want to hear this one, so if everyone could take excellent notes.... |
02:44 | chris | Its beer soon, then tomorrow I want to hack on stuff with people |
02:44 | wizzyrea | because it *is* nice to have your real computer with you |
02:44 | darling | unless that's the same as tri+edge |
02:44 | brendan | depends if you can charge the big-laptop on the planes though? |
02:45 | darling | will use my kobo on the long flights |
02:45 | can | |
02:45 | nengard | i never had to charge my laptop - i didn't even kill the battery while on the plane |
02:45 | darling | 't really think on airplanes anyway |
02:45 | wow | |
02:45 | slef | cool thing: usb-to-phone charger |
02:45 | darling | my battery's good for about 2 hrs max |
02:45 | slef | charge the laptop while it charges the phone |
02:45 | nengard | darling i also didn't use it for more than 3 hours .... just fyi ... i can usually get close to 4 hours if i put the brightness down and just watch movies |
02:46 | darling | i'll experiment w/that |
02:46 | slef, freaky | |
02:47 | laurenthd | slef: I have so many things to hack on ;) Do you have any preference ? |
02:47 | paul_p | slef usb to phone is the rule in UE since last month (or something like that) = all cellphone must use usb standard. ecology++ & sustainable++ |
02:48 | slef | Ok, was I just distracted by phones while he explained why this isn't like mod_perl and having to rewrite koha? |
02:48 | paul_p: yeah, but only in size because real usb Amps is too low, no? | |
02:48 | laurenthd | we donot have to rewrite koha. |
02:49 | descartes.biblibre.com:5000/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl for instance | |
02:49 | slef | so that example is not the only way? |
02:50 | I have not easy web browsing from irc just now. | |
02:50 | laurenthd | or Phttp://git.biblibre.com/?p=koh[…]s/heads/wip_Plack |
02:50 | * slef | tries to find that |
02:52 | brendan | http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koh[…]s/heads/wip_Plack |
02:53 | the p jumped on the front for me | |
02:54 | laurenthd | thx brendan |
02:54 | brendan | :) |
02:54 | slef | Plack::App::CGIBin |
02:55 | wizzyrea | lol: it's DAMN fast |
02:55 | not just fast -- damn fast! | |
02:55 | laurenthd | I forgot to add edits. |
02:56 | edits to apache config files. | |
02:58 | slef | laurenthd: descartes is in maint mode? |
02:59 | someone get bengard some glue to repair that desk? | |
02:59 | brendan | ha |
02:59 | nengard | slef i agree! it's kind of annoying - but doesn't seem to bother him |
03:00 | paul_p | slef, hdl fixing descartes setup ;-) |
03:00 | slef | I'd've ripped it up and slung it by now, but that's just me :) |
03:01 | bengard | I'm not sure glue would do the trick |
03:01 | wizzyrea | i honestly can't believe how fast you are on that phone, slef. It's amazing. |
03:01 | bengard | it's pretty well nozzed up |
03:01 | wizzyrea | nozzed. Nice one. |
03:02 | that is to say, I'm impressed, I couldn't be that fast. | |
03:02 | slef | I need to connect the other keypad to the phone |
03:03 | bengard | slef is raising his hand |
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03:06 | sekjal | alright, all done for the night |
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03:09 | slef | bbl |
03:09 | brendan | later all |
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05:32 | mib_x4elw | how to authenticati in koha with active directory |
05:32 | ?? | |
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09:46 | kmkale | hi all |
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12:11 | kmkale | hi chris_n |
12:11 | been here half a say and not a peep | |
12:13 | Amit | hi kmakale |
12:13 | kmkale | |
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12:13 | kmkale | hi Amit |
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12:48 | wizzy_m | Hello peeps |
12:48 | Can't sleep | |
12:49 | gmcharlt | howdy |
12:49 | spud keeping you up? | |
12:49 | kmkale | wizzy_m: :) too many sheeps or not enough in NZ? |
12:50 | wizzy_m | Hehe, not the spud or the sheep |
12:50 | Not sure what | |
12:50 | kmkale | not enugh beer then. |
12:51 | wizzy_m | Orman |
12:51 | Or too much lol | |
12:51 | owen | Hey wizzy_m |
12:52 | wizzy_m | owen heya |
12:59 | jcamins_a | Good morning. |
13:00 | wizzy_m | hey jcamins |
13:01 | jcamins_a | wizzy_m: sorry to hear you can't sleep. |
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13:01 | wizzy_m | its OK: ) |
13:01 | * chris_n | thinks gmcharlt must be running a one-man hackfest ;-) |
13:01 | wizzy_m | my son is giggling in his sleep |
13:01 | jcamins | My cat spent several hours this morning flicking water in my face, so I can kind of relate (of course, in his defense, I really should hae been awake by then). |
13:01 | s/hae/have | |
13:02 | braedon|h | ... what was the water source? |
13:03 | jcamins | The glass of water I keep by my bedside. |
13:03 | kmkale | now that thje office is empty I can really work. Or chat ;) |
13:03 | braedon|h | who can work when there is an internet to explore? |
13:03 | kmkale | hehe |
13:04 | wizzy_m | hope you kbow where those kitty feet have been |
13:04 | braedon|h | or sleep, for that matter, in my case |
13:04 | owen | braedon|h: Like this? http://xkcd.com/386/ |
13:04 | braedon|h | o, those were the days |
13:04 | arguing with idiots on IMDB | |
13:04 | kmkale | :) |
13:05 | * braedon|h | spend nigh on 2 years in the Primer forums |
13:05 | owen | :D |
13:05 | I considered doing that after finally(!) seeing Donnie Darko. | |
13:05 | ...last week. | |
13:05 | braedon|h | hehe |
13:06 | the problem with DD is that it doesn't actaully make sense | |
13:06 | it is rather mystical | |
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13:06 | braedon|h | and most of the director's explanation has little to no backing in the actual film |
13:06 | owen | Yeah, I wondered if it made sense if I thought harder about it |
13:07 | braedon|h | makes it very hard to actually make logical arguments |
13:07 | Primer, on the other hand, makes perfect sense, on a number of different complexity levels | |
13:07 | quite a feet of storytelling | |
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13:07 | braedon|h | feat* |
13:08 | jcamins | Ummm... |
13:08 | This is odd. | |
13:09 | braedon|h | more cat antics? |
13:09 | jcamins | Shouldn't we be installing the DOM module for Zebra? |
13:09 | Ouch. | |
13:09 | We're using a deprecated module for Zebra? | |
13:10 | braedon|h | hasn't DOM been replaced by something else by default? |
13:10 | or something... | |
13:10 | jcamins | braedon|h: no, DOM is supposed to be the replacement, for authorities. |
13:11 | braedon|h | o, really? |
13:11 | my bad | |
13:11 | jcamins | Does the package install Zebra? |
13:11 | It must. | |
13:13 | Okay, now I'm more confused. | |
13:15 | @later tell brendan ByWater's website seems to be down. | |
13:15 | munin | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
13:16 | wizzy_m | ooo i thought it was the dns hee |
13:17 | here | |
13:17 | jcamins | Nope, looks like the database is down. |
13:17 | Or they've been slashdotted. | |
13:17 | * jcamins | goes to check if they were mentioned on slashdot |
13:17 | wizzy_m | could be that |
13:17 | brb | |
13:18 | ok back | |
13:19 | well thats a bummer can u check the bywater hosted demo too plz? | |
13:19 | owen | Working |
13:19 | jcamins | Demo's up. |
13:19 | wizzy_m | cool. |
13:52 | ok going to give this sleeping thing a go. ttyl; ) | |
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13:52 | owen | From this side of it the sleeping thing looks pretty good |
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14:31 | owen | Hi rhcl |
14:36 | rhcl | hey owen |
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15:52 | brendan | sorry about that |
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15:52 | brendan | bywater's website should be back up now. |
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15:57 | owen | Hi dafydd |
15:57 | dafydd | Hi owen |
15:58 | Just set up my own Koha install at home - it's good stuff | |
15:59 | owen | That's great--version 3.2? |
15:59 | dafydd | I think it's 3.0 |
15:59 | 68.144.45.146 | |
15:59 | Just two books so far | |
16:00 | I'm going to get my CueCat working before I add more | |
16:02 | BTW, are any of the SIP maintainers in here? | |
16:02 | I was doing an integration a month ago or so and the line-endings for logins were LF instead of CR | |
16:02 | owen | Pretty much nobody is here right now :) Almost everyone is in New Zealand for KohaCon |
16:03 | dafydd: I would recommend upgrading if you can. We just released 3.2 | |
16:04 | But that's neither here nor there. I don't know anything about SIP | |
16:04 | dafydd | I'll probably do that tonight |
16:04 | I used Kyle Hall's VM, so I should be able to do that through the Admin Controls in root, right? | |
16:05 | owen | Hm, maybe you just want to wait until he releases the updated 3.2 VM and migrate your database |
16:06 | dafydd | That'd be my first migration - that'll export my MARC records too, right? |
16:06 | owen | Yes |
16:06 | brendan | dafydd - do you have a director titled kohaclone - in your install |
16:06 | dafydd | sweet :-) |
16:06 | brendan | on the command line? |
16:06 | dafydd | don't know - I'm at work right now |
16:06 | brendan | sorry not director but directory |
16:06 | dafydd | I didn't have time to port-forward SSH too :-P |
16:06 | brendan | if you do - the VM and Koha may have been installed via git |
16:07 | if so you should be able to update the install using git to pull the latest 3.2 | |
16:07 | dafydd | Ah, so I can git update |
16:07 | brendan | there are helpful instructions on the wiki --> http://wiki.koha-community.org |
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17:15 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
17:15 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.9�C (10:27 AM PDT on October 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising). |
17:15 | brendan | @wunder wellington nz |
17:15 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on October 30, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.74 in 1041 hPa (Steady). |
17:23 | owen-away is now known as owen | |
17:23 | owen | @wunder 45701 |
17:23 | munin | owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 9.4�C (1:30 PM EDT on October 29, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Falling). |
17:23 | brendan | cold there owen |
17:23 | owen | Yeah, after a week of really warm weather |
17:24 | brendan | kind of quiet again today |
17:24 | last night was pretty active during the hackfest | |
17:24 | hopefully today will be too | |
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17:51 | brendan | morning paul+p |
17:51 | heh - paul_p | |
17:55 | paul_p | hi brendan |
18:02 | chris | morning |
18:04 | owen | Good morning New Zealand |
18:04 | brendan | well good morning to the early-bird NZealanders |
18:05 | owen | brendan you'll have to crack the whip at your sleepy employees |
18:05 | chris | heh |
18:06 | brendan | If I could they'd be awake |
18:06 | heh | |
18:06 | chris | i have to get up early to go unlock the doors to let people in |
18:07 | paul_p | heloo all |
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18:24 | chris_n | hi chris, paul_p |
18:24 | and hdl | |
18:24 | hdl | chris_n: |
18:24 | hi | |
18:25 | paul_p | just had 30mn skype with wife & boys. hdl now on skype with his wife & childrens too |
18:25 | chris_n | skype++ |
18:25 | paul_p | wonderful internet that let you have sound + images + USD0 !!! |
18:25 | chris_n | very nice, indeed |
18:26 | hard to imagine 200 yrs ago... | |
18:39 | paul_p | 200y ago ? not even 8y ago !!! (my 1st son, 15, always look at me strangely when I say 10y ago we had no broadband internet & no cell phone !!!) |
18:45 | slef | skype-- |
18:45 | linphone++ | |
18:48 | brendan | slef is there not a software that you have another option for? |
18:48 | * brendan | learns about new ones from you all the time |
18:49 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
18:49 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 17.0�C (2:40 PM EDT on October 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Falling). |
18:50 | slef | brendan: I'm not good with video editing... |
18:50 | brendan: ...and I don't really word process. | |
18:50 | brendan | ah |
18:51 | yeah I'm getting ready to make the switch from openoffice to libreoffice | |
18:53 | slef | bbl |
19:00 | chris | On my way in now will be waiting to let ppl in, from about 30 mins |
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19:28 | cait | good morning #koha |
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19:34 | brendan | morning darling nengard |
19:34 | :) | |
19:34 | nengard | morning brendan |
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19:39 | * chris_n | thinks that people who ask for help on the list should not require the one helping to have to add themselves to the sender's "guest" list |
19:39 | chris_n | *grumble* |
19:41 | chris: which search pref? | |
19:41 | hey nengard, I've not forgotten you :) | |
19:41 | * chris_n | has been crazy busy |
19:42 | nengard | i just sent those emails yesterday |
19:42 | no rush | |
19:42 | well - not too much rush | |
19:42 | chris_n | hehe........ Nov 1 is, well, close |
19:43 | * chris_n | will spend time tonight and get something off to you |
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19:43 | chris_n | heya sekjal |
19:43 | * chris_n | heads off to the next fire :-P |
19:43 | sekjal | hey, chris_n! |
19:47 | brendan | heya sekjal |
19:47 | sekjal | morning, brendan! |
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19:52 | chris | So who all are we waiting for? |
19:52 | * chris | wonders if he can come upstairs |
19:53 | nengard | chris_n i put that video up on flickr talking about koha in the amazon cloud |
19:53 | if it helps any | |
19:54 | chris i think that might be it .... | |
19:54 | chris | Only ones I can think of are the solomons guys not sure if they were coming today |
19:54 | Ill wait 5 more mins | |
20:00 | nengard | gmcharlt around? |
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20:00 | gmcharlt | nengard: what's up? |
20:01 | nengard | cait saw that you removed the OrderPdfTemplate preference and she (and I) think that it's actually used ... |
20:01 | (catching up on a lot of emails) | |
20:03 | gmcharlt | nengard: it is not (in 3.2); see bug 4188 |
20:03 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4188 blocker, P1, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Basketgroup print fails to generate a file |
20:03 | slef | back |
20:03 | nengard | cait is saying she showed it in training and it was working (not more than 3 weeks ago) |
20:04 | if you changed the value in that preference it showed either 2 or 3 pages | |
20:04 | i too did this in trainig - this was of course in 3.2 beta - not 3.2 final | |
20:05 | gmcharlt | nengard: I'm pretty you can cait are thinking of OrderPdfFormat |
20:05 | cait | oh |
20:05 | nengard | oh! you are right!!! |
20:05 | :) | |
20:05 | cait | I am sorry! |
20:05 | nengard | thanks for correcting our fuzzy minds |
20:06 | slef | fossy minds |
20:06 | gmcharlt | just call me the lint-remover ;) |
20:06 | slef | gmcharlt is now known as sticky tape |
20:09 | nengard | hehe |
20:09 | okay hacking about to begin!! | |
20:09 | what are you all on IRC working on for the hackfest?? :) | |
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20:22 | brendan | no patches yet? |
20:23 | paul_p | brendan, just 636 waiting for QA (git.biblibre.com ;-) ) |
20:24 | brendan | yeah |
20:24 | err.. yay | |
20:25 | slef | I'm currently looking at Bob's Barcode Bamboozler |
20:26 | anyone know ALICE's barcode algorithm? | |
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20:35 | cait | who is ALICE? |
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20:35 | * robin- | may be slightly late today :) |
20:39 | slef | cait: a windows ILS |
20:39 | Just to clarify, jwagner has not said anything in the hack room today. | |
20:40 | brendan | ha |
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21:10 | cait | I updated my public git repo! yay! |
21:12 | bengard | I can haz koha? |
21:12 | I haz koha! | |
21:15 | cait | lol |
21:17 | mason | i p0wnez your KOHA |
21:19 | slef | i can dansss |
21:22 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
21:23 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.8�C (2:33 PM PDT on October 29, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling). |
21:25 | cait | @wunder wellington |
21:25 | munin | cait: Error: No such location could be found. |
21:25 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
21:25 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0�C (11:00 PM CEST on October 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Falling). |
21:26 | slef | heh just found an irc log from 2005 with kados saying he's not sure I ever did koha support. Nice. |
21:28 | brendan | @seen kados |
21:28 | munin | brendan: I have not seen kados. |
21:28 | * brendan | assume it's like two years |
21:36 | robin- | @wunder wellington, nz |
21:36 | munin | robin-: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on October 30, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.74 in 1041 hPa (Falling). |
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22:00 | paul_p | irmaB, http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ntegrated_for_3.4 |
22:01 | brendan | paul_p there is nothing on that page |
22:02 | paul_p | brendan, yep, working on filling it now ;-) |
22:02 | Nate joined #koha | |
22:02 | brendan | :) |
22:10 | * cait | is a happy cait |
22:10 | sekjal | if anyone has experience with the httpd.conf for GitWeb, I'd be happy for an assist. I'm vexed |
22:11 | gmcharlt | sekjal: go for it, what's your questin? |
22:11 | sekjal | well, I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing wrong |
22:11 | I have a file | |
22:12 | but when I enable it, all my sites on the server fail | |
22:12 | disable, and they come back | |
22:12 | paste.workbuffer.org not up? | |
22:12 | pastebot | "gmcharlt" at 74.179.111.229 pasted "site conf for a gitweb" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/86 |
22:13 | gmcharlt | sekjal: paste.koha-community.org |
22:13 | sekjal | ah |
22:13 | thanks | |
22:13 | gmcharlt | the last RedirectMatch likely isn't relevant |
22:14 | sekjal | thanks, that's the same model I've got... looking for differences.... |
22:20 | I think I've just done the install wrong... | |
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22:36 | Nate left #koha | |
22:43 | * gmcharlt | is going out in search of food |
22:44 | gmcharlt | nengard: your patch for 5326 could be even moar better and go directly to the pref |
22:44 | see http://lists.koha-community.or[…]tober/012753.html | |
22:46 | nengard | gmcharlt - i wsn't sure how to make it more better :) will read the link |
22:46 | cait | irmaB: can you try so send the mail again? |
22:46 | nengard | gmcharlt i will fix! thanks for the tip |
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22:52 | nengard | gmcharlt resubmitted with a typo in the title ;) |
22:53 | chris_n2 joined #koha | |
22:54 | chris_n2 | chris: I'm not sure I understand the use of a syspref which requires the user to add an asterisk to the end of a query |
22:57 | sekjal is now known as sekjal_a | |
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23:22 | brendan_l | seems to be lunch time for hackfest |
23:24 | chris_n2 | hey brendan_l |
23:24 | brendan_l | heya chris_n2 |
23:24 | happy friday eve to you | |
23:25 | your kids have there costumes ready for hallowween | |
23:25 | s/there/their | |
23:30 | dafydd left #koha | |
23:30 | slef | yes lunch at hackfest |
23:31 | we're in hell | |
23:41 | www.hell.co.nz | |
23:42 | it says over the bar | |
23:53 | fruit pizza |
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