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| 00:00 | chris | yeah, you guys are doing fine |
| 00:00 | the phone hasnt even rung! | |
| 00:00 | paul | yet! - just composing a long email as we speak |
| 00:01 | gotta go, catch you later | |
| 00:01 | chris | spotya later |
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| 00:02 | chris | paul and 2 of his librarians are coming to kohacon |
| 00:07 | slef | cool |
| 00:13 | chris | i do like brians comment on nicoles blog |
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| 00:41 | ebegin | I'm trying to figure out what the autorised value is used for on when we edit a MARC Field (not a subfield). |
| 00:42 | The screen displays: if you select a value here, the indicators will be limited to the authorized value list | |
| 00:43 | But selecting an autorised value from the list doesn't change anythink in my cataloging screen... ?! | |
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| 01:26 | darling | history page probably wants an update - http://koha-community.org/about/history/ |
| 01:26 | for the 3.2rc | |
| 01:27 | good afternoon koha peeps | |
| 01:28 | robin | darling: no, I think the history page ends at the perfect location. On a high note :) |
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| 01:32 | yhager | Has anybody seen wajasu around here recently? I found him on the irc logs talking about an arch package for koha - and I would like to contact him on this |
| 01:32 | robin | @seen wajasu |
| 01:32 | munin | robin: wajasu was last seen in #koha 6 days, 21 hours, 22 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <wajasu> would be nice to have the utf8 label thing solved. my librarian edits records to not have diacritics and prints a lebel then edits things back. slow and errorprone workaround. |
| 01:33 | yhager | robin: cool, thanks. Can munin pass messages when he arrives? (like tell wajasu bla bla bla) |
| 01:33 | robin | @later tell yhager sure can |
| 01:33 | munin | robin: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:34 | yhager | robin: thx |
| 01:34 | heh, it works | |
| 01:34 | robin | :) |
| 01:34 | yhager | @later tell wajasu I am working on an AUR package for koha, and all the perl deps. Let me know if you want to cooperate. yhager at yhager dot com |
| 01:34 | munin | yhager: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:35 | robin | yhager: I do the debian packages, if that's useful for anything. |
| 01:36 | you might be able to reuse/modify as needed the scripts that are in there. | |
| 01:45 | yhager | robin: most of the work is getting those perl deps packaged. I could use the deb scripts for the other parts though. link? |
| 01:46 | robin | yhager: they're all in the debian/ subdir in git. |
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| 01:54 | Topic for #koha is now Happy 3.2.0 Release Candidate day | |
| 01:59 | yhager | robin: but this should be an interactive step, shouldn't it? or do you just take the defaults (I am sorry, dunno how to read deb packaging scripts) |
| 02:00 | robin | It's debian magic, I'm not completely sure what it's doing on the inside. I think it probably is telling the makefile to be non-interactive. |
| 02:03 | yhager | robin: ok, so it probably just accepts the defaults. I was just wondering what is the "right" way to do this |
| 02:04 | robin | yeah, I think the defaults are all appropriate, and if you need something changed, you can do it as part of the package. |
| 02:09 | yhager | robin: great, thx |
| 02:24 | darling | yhager, by the way - pocket sized arm style koha <- very slick |
| 02:24 | looking forward to that | |
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| 02:52 | Amit | heya chris |
| 03:02 | robin | from another IRC channel: |
| 03:02 | <sneakums> Dumont: ptfs is <reply>http://blog.liw.fi/posts/in-defense-of-nicole/ | |
| 03:02 | (where Dumont is an infobot) | |
| 03:02 | word seems to be getting around :) | |
| 03:02 | chris | yup |
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| 05:46 | CGI491 | hello it's me again eugene from the Philippines just installed koha on windows please help me connect from a remote computer using the admin interface i was able to connect but only the opac interface. thanks |
| 05:46 | hello it's me again eugene from the Philippines just installed koha on windows please help me connect from a remote computer using the admin interface i was able to connect but only the opac interface. thanks | |
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| 06:13 | CGI966 | how do i remotely connect to the admin interface of koha on windows? |
| 06:14 | how do i remotely connect to the admin interface of koha on windows? | |
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| 06:44 | chris | heh |
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| 06:47 | chris | nicole is loved in africa :) |
| 06:48 | larsw | on the whole planet! |
| 06:48 | chris | :) |
| 06:48 | larsw | until FTL is invented we don't know if she's loved in other solar systems, though, but I would not bet against it |
| 06:48 | paul_p | hello world |
| 06:48 | chris | did you see this larsw http://www.news.software.coop/[…]-action-day/1021/ |
| 06:48 | paul_p | chris & larsw mainly ;-) |
| 06:48 | chris | heya paul_p |
| 06:48 | larsw | I am entirely sure the national library of aldebaraan is using Koha... |
| 06:48 | chris | hehe |
| 06:49 | larsw | hi, paul_p |
| 06:49 | chris, nope, hadn't seen that | |
| 06:50 | paul_p | larsw, really ? so that's true. Because I know for sure that the KRL (Klingon Research Library) uses Koha too... |
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| 06:50 | paul_p | s/that's true/that's two/ |
| 06:50 | chris | which reminds me, nengards husband friend was going to translate the opac into klingon |
| 06:50 | larsw | "Koha: the intergalactic library system" :) |
| 06:51 | chris | i must remind him about that at kohacon |
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| 06:51 | larsw | apropos Klingon, http://lists.debian.org/debian[…]/10/msg00103.html |
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| 06:53 | magnus | D-7 |
| 06:54 | chris | :-) |
| 06:55 | paul_p | D-7 1/2 for me :) |
| 06:55 | s/me/hdl & me/ | |
| 06:55 | chris | larsw: thats excellent :) |
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| 07:02 | magnus | in one week i will have finished the first flight and be waiting for the next one... |
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| 07:07 | ivanc | good morning #koha |
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| 07:08 | magnus | g'day ivanc |
| 07:08 | ivanc | hi magnus |
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| 07:12 | magnus | @wunder bodo norway |
| 07:12 | munin | magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0�C (8:50 AM CEST on October 12, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:12 | magnus | snow on the highest peaks for the last couple of days here, time to head for sunnier climes soon! |
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| 07:23 | larsw | http://ask.debian.net/question[…]619ce953ad3080efb |
| 07:23 | robin, maybe you could add a comment to the link above to indicate the current status of Koha Debian packaging? | |
| 07:25 | chris | good idea |
| 07:25 | theres still an itp floating around somewhere too | |
| 07:25 | maybe slef knows where it is, i think he commented on it last | |
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| 07:26 | chris | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]12/american-talk/ |
| 07:30 | magnus | :-) |
| 07:45 | chris | magnus: http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/live/ |
| 07:45 | anything you tag #kohacon10 should show up there | |
| 07:46 | magnus | chris: cool! |
| 07:47 | chris | im hoping to recruit some ppl to do some running commentary during the days too |
| 07:47 | for the people who cant make it | |
| 07:47 | magnus | is it "just" twitter or are there other sources? |
| 07:50 | chris | it only watches twitter automatically, but i can add up to 30 'panelists' who can type into it, and anyone can make a comment |
| 07:50 | magnus | ah, i see |
| 07:51 | i'll probably be twittering a lot... | |
| 07:52 | chris | :) |
| 07:56 | magnus | chris: ig my memory serves me right there has been talk about video and streaming, how is that going? |
| 07:57 | s/ig/if/ | |
| 08:01 | chris | and for ppl who dont want to deal with flash or whatever its using |
| 08:01 | http://rss.coveritlive.com/rss[…]t_code=7bd531d726 | |
| 08:01 | yeah, not gonna happen | |
| 08:01 | way too expensive to do live streaming in any useful manner | |
| 08:01 | but we do plan to video all the presentations, with the speakers permission that is | |
| 08:02 | magnus | cool |
| 08:03 | and put them on youtube or vimeo or something? | |
| 08:05 | chris | something like that |
| 08:05 | ogv files for download maybe | |
| 08:05 | ill leave that to the smart people who understand that stuff | |
| 08:06 | magnus | good plan! ;-) |
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| 09:44 | janPasi | hi all |
| 09:44 | would someone have time to help me a bit with Koha's search? | |
| 09:47 | slef | Hi. I expect it depends how. |
| 10:01 | janPasi | Well... |
| 10:03 | for example this: http://koha.kepa.fi/cgi-bin/ko[…]biblionumber=3190 can be searched without typing the accents on characters | |
| 10:04 | however this one cannot: http://koha.kepa.fi/cgi-bin/ko[…]biblionumber=3051 | |
| 10:05 | the latter biblio seems to be "odd" in some other ways too. It has ended up in our system through Z39.50 and it doesn't have anything on 003 field | |
| 10:06 | if i try to fill a value to 003 field and save, i get "production mode trapped fatal error" | |
| 10:06 | it also has some really weird characters in 710a field | |
| 10:07 | but it cannot be fixed because it refuses to be saved | |
| 10:07 | that's problem number one | |
| 10:08 | slef | If you get "production mode trapped fatal error" then check the error log. |
| 10:08 | janPasi | i'm not sure how many biblios like this there are in the system at the moment, but it has gone quite unstable |
| 10:08 | slef | I think accent problems are to do with zebra search engine configuration. |
| 10:08 | Are you sure you have everything running in utf-8? | |
| 10:09 | janPasi | well, yes and no |
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| 10:09 | janPasi | our system is pure utf-8, but we have some biblios from the national library |
| 10:09 | kmkale | hi all |
| 10:09 | janPasi | and that's a real strange bird |
| 10:09 | slef | Also if the biblio ended up in your system through Z39.50, it might be that the MARC record is corrupt, or that a wrong encoding was declared for it (Z39.50 does not disclose encoding in-band). |
| 10:09 | All this is from memory and my memory is not great. | |
| 10:09 | janPasi | national library uses a Voyager system and they form the accented characters weirdly |
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| 10:10 | slef | Can you get to the biblio through the librarian cataloguing editor? |
| 10:10 | janPasi | techically it's utf-8, but... |
| 10:10 | yep, i can edit it, but not save | |
| 10:11 | Fred | Hi, got a question about overdue_notices.pl and the way it uses patrons emails |
| 10:11 | slef | janPasi: Can you look at its MARC view and see any corrupt characters? |
| 10:11 | Fred: I can't help for an hour. Perhaps someone else can. | |
| 10:11 | janPasi | slef: yes i can |
| 10:12 | slef | janPasi: you need to delete or correct the corrupt chars. Worst case, it will need the MARC in the database cleaning and I don't have a nice tool for that. |
| 10:13 | janPasi | that's a bit what i was afraid of... :( |
| 10:13 | slef | (I've an idea how to make a nice tool for that, but no funding.) |
| 10:13 | janPasi | the funding is always the problem :D |
| 10:13 | slef | (I really should open an enh request describing it, so either it will get funding or someone else will just make it.) |
| 10:13 | janPasi | but how can i correct the characters when i cannot save the biblio? |
| 10:14 | slef | play with mysql directly (marc and marcxml columns in biblioitems) |
| 10:14 | janPasi | i have an edited version with corrected characters on my screen, but there is the "production mode trapped fatal error" problem |
| 10:15 | slef | check the error log |
| 10:15 | and/or change DebugLevel system preference while you solve this | |
| 10:15 | janPasi | ok, i'll see about that |
| 10:15 | so how can i access zebra's config? | |
| 10:16 | i also need to make it search some fields that it doesn't search by default | |
| 10:16 | Fred | the script seems to work fine but it does not put email address into 'to_address' table...making sendings failed |
| 10:19 | slef | janPasi: /etc/koha/zebra in a standard installation IIRC |
| 10:20 | janPasi | ok, thx slef :) |
| 10:21 | magnus | or /etc/koha/zebradb to be precise |
| 10:23 | slef | oh well, I was close :) |
| 10:25 | janPasi | well... i think i would have been able to figure that out :D |
| 10:25 | this is in error log: [Tue Oct 12 13:11:04 2010] [error] [client 84.248.124.46] [Tue Oct 12 13:11:04 2010] addbiblio.pl: Wide character in null operation at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/MARC/Charset/Table.pm line 96., referer: http://koha.kepa.fi:8080/cgi-b[…]=3051&amp;op= | |
| 10:26 | does it say anything to you? | |
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| 10:28 | slef | janPasi: yes, bad encording :-/ |
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| 10:28 | slef | encoding |
| 10:29 | janPasi: I think if you look at mysql biblioitems.marcxml where biblionumber=3051, it will be truncated. | |
| 10:30 | janPasi | how can i do that? |
| 10:30 | i'm logged in mysql as root and using koha database | |
| 10:30 | but how can i see that? | |
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| 10:32 | slef | janPasi: select marcxml from biblioitems where biblionumber=3051; again, this is from memory. |
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| 10:32 | janPasi | i could pastebin the output, hang on |
| 10:34 | http://pastebin.com/TzZW9V6v | |
| 10:35 | slef | janPasi: OK, I was wrong, that looks complete. |
| 10:35 | janPasi | seems ok by me too |
| 10:35 | could it be a problem in marc leader? | |
| 10:35 | this is what i have in 000: 01111ncm a22002897i 45000 | |
| 10:36 | this is 008: 970702s1992 ru 000 | rus | |
| 10:36 | slef | janPasi: so you need to edit 245$a 260$a and $b 300$a 500$a 505$a 710$b 740$a at least before saving it. |
| 10:36 | janPasi | but those fields contain only valid utf-8 characters, i think? |
| 10:38 | yep, it seems that way to me | |
| 10:38 | 710a is faulty in the pastebin, but it's fixed on my screen | |
| 10:39 | and so is 245b | |
| 10:40 | slef | janPasi: ok... pastebin claimed to be UTF-8 :-/ |
| 10:40 | janPasi: I doubt this is a leader problem but I'm not sure what it is without looking more closely, sorry. A wide character error is almost always an encoding FU. | |
| 10:41 | janPasi | i think it gets confused with that record because it has mixed charset |
| 10:41 | or something | |
| 10:42 | magnus | janPasi: i think i have seen errors like this that i solved (?) by editing the leader |
| 10:42 | my notes tell me that "00181 2200085 4500" worked but " nam a22 2 4500" gave errors similar to yours | |
| 10:43 | i have not gotten to the bottom of that problem yet, though... | |
| 10:43 | slef | I'm bowing out. Happy hunting. |
| 10:44 | janPasi | ok, thanks for all your help :) |
| 10:44 | where exactly is character encoding defined in the leader? | |
| 10:44 | i.e. which position/value? | |
| 10:45 | slef | @marc LDR |
| 10:45 | munin | slef: unknown tag LDR |
| 10:45 | slef | @marc leader |
| 10:45 | munin | slef: unknown tag leader |
| 10:45 | slef | @roulette |
| 10:45 | slef was kicked by munin: BANG! | |
| 10:45 | * munin | reloads and spins the chambers. |
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| 10:47 | janPasi | the bot kicked you out, why? :D |
| 10:47 | magnus | http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/adleader.html 09? |
| 10:48 | janPasi | yep, it seems that way, thx magnus |
| 10:48 | magnus | sorry, that was auth, this is biblio: |
| 10:48 | http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]hic/bdleader.html | |
| 10:48 | janPasi | well that's correct then |
| 10:48 | a=utf-8 | |
| 10:49 | or rather unicode in general | |
| 10:50 | magnus | hm, i'm out of ideas, then... |
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| 10:52 | janPasi | me too :D |
| 11:08 | kmkale | any idea whether this page has been brought into new wiki? http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ncodingscratchpad if yes where? the encoding and char.. is just a stub |
| 11:10 | the INSTALL.ubuntu* files still point to the old one which no longer exists | |
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| 11:38 | kmkale | I have just put some stuff in http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]cter_Sets_in_Koha |
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| 12:08 | * chris_n | does not have enough reputation to vote on ask.debian.net :-( |
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| 12:23 | slef | chris_n: you get that far? I couldn't login. :-( |
| 12:24 | chris_n | used my google openid to log in |
| 12:24 | slef | my openid didn't work for me when I tried |
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| 12:25 | chris_n | weirdness indeed |
| 12:25 | heya owen | |
| 12:25 | owen | Hi |
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| 12:28 | Fred | Hello |
| 12:29 | i'am back with my overdue_notices.pl problems, someone could help? | |
| 12:30 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Updates to INSTALL.debian documentation for 3.2. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]eb4e6614c405b70b4> |
| 12:31 | * chris_n | looks around for gmcharlt ;-) |
| 12:31 | owen | wizzyrea++ |
| 12:33 | Fred | the script does not fill the 'to_address' table's part with email address from borrowers |
| 12:33 | paul_p | owen, why ? (did I miss something ?) |
| 12:33 | good morning USA ! | |
| 12:33 | chris_n | paul_p: howdy |
| 12:33 | that last commit was by wizzyrea | |
| 12:34 | owen | paul_p: Because she updated the installation instructions |
| 12:36 | hudsonbot | Starting build 65 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 12:37 | paul_p | hey, we have a new friend (hudsonbot). Hoping he will be more intelligent than some bots i've seen around ;-) |
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| 12:40 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: fix step to install Indexdata apt key <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]28bfb0ffbdbeb2972> |
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| 12:44 | hudsonbot | Project Koha build (65): SUCCESS in 7 min 55 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/65/ |
| 12:44 | Galen Charlton: Updates to INSTALL.debian documentation for 3.2. | |
| 12:46 | chris_n | hudsonbot: botsnack bacon and eggs |
| 12:46 | hudsonbot | chris_n: great! yum yum. I just love bacon and eggs! |
| 12:51 | Starting build 66 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
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| 12:59 | hudsonbot | Project Koha build (66): SUCCESS in 7 min 39 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/66/ |
| 12:59 | Galen Charlton: fix step to install Indexdata apt key | |
| 12:59 | slef | Fred: looking... |
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| 13:05 | slef | Fred: that's expected behaviour. C4::Letters::_send_message_by_email figures out the to_address from the borrowernumber. OK? |
| 13:09 | Fred | yes |
| 13:12 | in fact overdue_notices seems to check correctly if there s a email address or no, but does not populate the to_address to make process_message_queue working correctly | |
| 13:13 | slef | Why do you think process_message_queue needs the to_address populated? |
| 13:18 | Fred | cause value is null, and no emails receiving on testing, but if i write manually the address into to_adress it works fine |
| 13:19 | slef | is borrowernumber populated? |
| 13:20 | Fred | yes |
| 13:20 | slef | Looking at process_message_queue... |
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| 13:24 | slef | Fred: I can't see an obvious problem. Does status go to failed? |
| 13:24 | Fred: also, do you get a warning when running process_message_queue? | |
| 13:24 | Fred: finally, what version of Koha is that? | |
| 13:26 | Fred | yep status go to failed but no warning message, i guess it goes to failed status cause process_message did not find any emails |
| 13:27 | 3.01.00.140 | |
| 13:29 | slef | Where did you download that version? Anyone remind me how to translate db versions to releases? |
| 13:29 | sekjal | slef: that's about the version for 3.2 beta, I think |
| 13:29 | Fred | yes |
| 13:30 | slef | ok, I'm looking at HEAD... I'll switch to rc1 |
| 13:31 | jcamins_a | slef: I think that's around beta 2. |
| 13:31 | Good morning, #koha | |
| 13:31 | slef | oh wait |
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| 13:32 | slef | Fred: do you have an SMTP server listening on your external IP port 25? |
| 13:32 | Fred: I'll get you a command to test | |
| 13:32 | jcamins | Wait, maybe I meant alpha 2 (checking...) |
| 13:33 | I meant beta. | |
| 13:33 | There was only one. | |
| 13:33 | Fred | mmm guess so :) was not me installing it, i am not server admin |
| 13:33 | slef | Fred: try: perl -MMail::Sendmail -e 'print sendmail(To=>"your\@email.address",From=>"your\@email.address",Subject=>"perl test email",Message=>"test")."\n"; print $Mail::Sendmail::error." - " . $Mail::Sendmail::log."\n"' |
| 13:34 | Fred: but replace your\@email.address with your email address, please. | |
| 13:38 | Fred | it works |
| 13:41 | slef | ok, I'll return to looking |
| 13:42 | Fred | is it possible that borrowers.email is kind of being protect? |
| 13:44 | slef | I don't understand the question. |
| 13:46 | do you know the borrowernumber? | |
| 13:47 | try: perl -MC4::Members -e 'print C4::Members::GetFirstValidEmailAddress(1234);' replacing the 1234 with the right number | |
| 13:47 | Fred | ok will try it |
| 13:48 | answer for email address is correct | |
| 13:52 | slef | ok, well if you look in C4/Letters.pm you should see that is what it uses |
| 13:53 | possible next actions: upgrade to 3.2rc1, run process_message_queue through the perl debugger. | |
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| 13:54 | Fred | ok :) |
| 13:55 | thanks a lot for your help! | |
| 13:56 | slef | no problems - sorry I can't cure it from here. |
| 13:56 | Fred | no worry, i got some clues to go on |
| 13:59 | wizzyrea | oh woot ! I did it right! |
| 13:59 | and good morning | |
| 13:59 | jcamins | Good morning. |
| 14:00 | I see I made it onto the quote list. :) | |
| 14:04 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 14:11 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: add Italian installer SQL to test cases <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]804656e8db657bc09> / Italian installer SQL <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]76be9b3ff1f578379> |
| 14:18 | slef | I see bold as ^B so that appears to say "^Badd Italian installer..." |
| 14:20 | wizzyrea | *giggle* |
| 14:20 | it's like the mafia of sql | |
| 14:21 | hudsonbot | Starting build 67 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 14:24 | kmkale | hi wizzyrea |
| 14:26 | wizzyrea | hi kmkale :) |
| 14:28 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 14:28 | wizzyrea++ | |
| 14:28 | wizzyrea | jcamins: apply and sign off plox? |
| 14:28 | :) | |
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| 14:29 | hudsonbot | Project Koha build (67): SUCCESS in 7 min 34 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/67/ |
| 14:29 | * Galen Charlton: Italian installer SQL | |
| 14:29 | * Galen Charlton: add Italian installer SQL to test cases | |
| 14:29 | chris_n | gmcharlt: botsnack brownies and icecream :-) |
| 14:30 | gmcharlt | chris_n: yum yum |
| 14:30 | wizzyrea | botsnack energy bar |
| 14:31 | * owen | watches munin, logbot, alogalog, and hudsonbot all fight over the energy bar |
| 14:31 | chris_n | wizzyrea: you have to specify which bot you are giving the snack to :) |
| 14:31 | wizzyrea | AHA |
| 14:32 | hudsonbot: botsnack energy bar | |
| 14:32 | hudsonbot | wizzyrea: great! yum yum. I just love energy bar! |
| 14:32 | wizzyrea | he's going to need it |
| 14:33 | owen | munin: botsnack tiny crumb hudsonbot dropped |
| 14:33 | munin | owen: Error: "botsnack" is not a valid command. |
| 14:34 | owen | Poor munin, not even a crumb. |
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| 14:37 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 14:38 | Problem with libyaz-dev? | |
| 14:38 | Why did it work before? | |
| 14:39 | Well, your patch works, anyway. | |
| 14:39 | Looks like gmcharlt already applied it to master, so I won't send my signed-off patch to the list. | |
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| 14:40 | kmkale | bye all |
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| 14:41 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: add new lenny dependency libmodule-install-perl to the apt-get-debian-lenny.sh script <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b5bebe77cb562831d> |
| 14:41 | wizzyrea | hrm i didn't see it in the script from a fresh ... aha |
| 14:41 | that would be why | |
| 14:41 | lol | |
| 14:41 | * jcamins | apparently has the ability to look a little bit into the future. |
| 14:42 | * wizzyrea | marvels at jcamins ability |
| 14:42 | jcamins | ;) |
| 14:43 | Do you have any trouble with libyaz-dev? | |
| 14:43 | wizzyrea | I need to go back and try it agian |
| 14:43 | again* | |
| 14:44 | NEKLS was going to do another round of clean install testing probably this afternoon? | |
| 14:44 | jcamins | I ran it before and didn't have any problems, but maybe there was another change that caused problems since then? |
| 14:44 | nekls++ | |
| 14:45 | wizzyrea | I thought someone mentioned something about libyaz yesterday... |
| 14:45 | I've slept since then, though. | |
| 14:46 | jcamins | I don't think so. |
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| 14:49 | jcamins | (just checked the log) |
| 14:49 | I think it's probably just something strange with this computer. | |
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| 14:51 | hudsonbot | Starting build 68 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 14:55 | * chris_n | reminds jcamins that there is something strange with every computer... just not the same thing with any two |
| 14:59 | hudsonbot | Project Koha build (68): SUCCESS in 7 min 38 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/68/ |
| 14:59 | Galen Charlton: add new lenny dependency libmodule-install-perl to the apt-get-debian-lenny.sh script | |
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| 15:08 | briceSanc | hello |
| 15:08 | CGI608 | hello |
| 15:08 | how areu | |
| 15:08 | CGI548 | hi |
| 15:09 | briceSanc | fine and u ? |
| 15:09 | CGI608 | me too |
| 15:09 | where are you from? | |
| 15:09 | owen | CGI608: Do you have a question about Koha? |
| 15:09 | CGI608 | whos is koha? |
| 15:10 | CGI548 | Hi I need to set build_browser_and_cloud.pl |
| 15:10 | owen | CGI608: If you don't know you're in the wrong place |
| 15:10 | CGI608 | but i want to know plz |
| 15:10 | jcamins | CGI608: Koha is an open source product. It isn't "owned" by anyone. See http://koha-community.org/ |
| 15:10 | wizzyrea | http://koha-community.org/ |
| 15:11 | owen | CGI548: Please note that koha.org is no longer the official site of the Koha project |
| 15:11 | wizzyrea | that is supposed to be http://koha-community.org/about |
| 15:11 | CGI608 | ah oki |
| 15:11 | nice | |
| 15:11 | CGI548 | ok |
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| 15:11 | briceSanc | Hi Owen, I answered you about the bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5281 |
| 15:11 | munin | 04Bug 5281: trivial, P5, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED, "Check in" then "Renew" checkboxes checked in the same time |
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| 15:14 | owen | Didn't mean to scare off CGI548 |
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| 15:17 | owen | briceSanc: I saw your comment. I'm not crazy about losing the TD click event, but I'm willing to do so if it's the only way to correct the bug |
| 15:18 | briceSanc | ok |
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| 15:35 | jcamins | Why isn't there an acquisitions framework by default? |
| 15:37 | Ah. bug 4955 | |
| 15:37 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4955 critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, adding to basket with no item throws error |
| 15:37 | jcamins | Wait, no, not that one. |
| 15:37 | Bug 3841? | |
| 15:37 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3841 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Should have Default ACQ Framework |
| 15:37 | jcamins | There we go. |
| 15:38 | slef | replied to a PTFS comment on Nicole's blog... I though nengard also worked for biblibre but it's not on http://www.web2learning.net/about-me |
| 15:38 | nengard | slef when i first left liblime both bywater and biblibre sponsored me to work on the manual - that contract ran out January 1 and I have been a ByWater employee since |
| 15:40 | slef | oic, no matter, I used myself as an example to rebut the PTFSer. |
| 15:40 | jcamins | How does one create an ACQ framework? |
| 15:41 | Is it just like a regular Framework, with the ID ACQ? | |
| 15:45 | * owen | notices the PTFS supporters never have links associated with their blog comments |
| 15:46 | gmcharlt | jcamins: that's my understanding, yes |
| 15:46 | jcamins | Okay, thanks. |
| 15:47 | sekjal | we need a 'clone framework' button |
| 15:47 | wizzyrea | ^^^ |
| 15:47 | that | |
| 15:47 | slef | owen: maybe they're not allowed to have their own brai^H^H^H^Hwebsites. |
| 15:47 | wizzyrea | yes |
| 15:47 | please | |
| 15:48 | sekjal | wizzyrea: added to my list... for what that's worth |
| 15:48 | wizzyrea | I like your list. Things happen when they get on your list. |
| 15:48 | :) | |
| 15:49 | sekjal | :) |
| 15:49 | I'm a list-makin' kinda guy | |
| 15:52 | nengard | sekjal and wizzyrea - when you create a new framework it asks which one you want to base it off of - pretty much the same as cloning |
| 15:54 | sekjal | nengard: well whatdaya know? there it is |
| 15:54 | nengard | :) |
| 15:54 | * nengard | is the documentation manager - which means she has clicked every possible link in Koha :) |
| 15:54 | sekjal | it would just be a matter of reordering the workflow a bit |
| 15:54 | or putting the creation and duplication pages together | |
| 15:55 | nengard | more important to me is to see a better way to edit framework - easier deletion of fields and subfields etc |
| 15:55 | jcamins | That is a really confusing way of explaining how the ACQ framework. |
| 15:55 | And that is not a sentence. | |
| 15:55 | wizzyrea | but I agree about editing the framework |
| 15:55 | it is too many clicks. | |
| 15:56 | way, way too many | |
| 15:56 | jcamins | The error message it gives you about not having an ACQ framework is very confusing - it doesn't really explain what to do. |
| 15:56 | I certainly agree! | |
| 15:57 | What it means by "the items framework would be used" is "anything that you have set up to display on the items tab in your ACQ framework will show up. | |
| 15:57 | " | |
| 15:57 | * jcamins | apparently can no longer type |
| 15:58 | sekjal | I'd like to see the Frameworks a) made easier to edit and b) fully govern the display behaviour of MARC data in the OPAC and staff client |
| 15:58 | jcamins | I'd also like to see them support indicators. |
| 15:58 | Actually, I'd like to see everything support indicators. | |
| 15:59 | (authorities, etc.) | |
| 15:59 | gmcharlt | sekjal: +1 to making frameworks easier to edit; I disagree about fully governing the display behavior of MARC data, as that effectively locks out XSLT or any other template language without a *lot* of special coding |
| 16:00 | jcamins | What format is date acquired supposed to be in? |
| 16:00 | gmcharlt | unless I'm misunderstanding what you meant by the second part of your statement |
| 16:01 | sekjal | gmcharlt: yes, I understand it would be hard to use XSLT and Frameworks together. perhaps my idea isn't the best way |
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| 16:01 | sekjal | what I want is for librarians to more easily be able to choose what MARC info displays, without having make changes to the codebase (and track those changes for the rest of their system's life) |
| 16:02 | perhaps a way to upload custom XSLT, and then select amongst them | |
| 16:02 | or have the governing XSLT referenced in the 942 somewhere | |
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| 16:02 | gmcharlt | ick (I'd rather not stick yet more presentation metadata into the MARC record) |
| 16:02 | but as far as managing XSLT stylesheets | |
| 16:03 | sticking them in the database and managing them that way could be a win | |
| 16:03 | sekjal | gmcharlt: agreed |
| 16:03 | oh, I've got ideas about this.... | |
| 16:03 | gmcharlt | we can use memcached during the rendering |
| 16:03 | to save on database lookups | |
| 16:03 | sekjal | but if I start rambling, I won't get any actual work done |
| 16:04 | jcamins | In that case I will save the problems I see with that approach for another day. |
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| 16:07 | jcamins | (although I do agree that the way stylesheets are handled should be changed) |
| 16:10 | sekjal | what about storing the bibliographic XML (in whatever metadata format, not just MARC), the current stylesheet used, and the output of the application of that stylesheet all in the database together? |
| 16:10 | that'd be a lot of data.... but faster to fetch than to render each time, I'd imagine | |
| 16:10 | jcamins | It's an interesting idea, but I think that makes it harder to share stylesheet improvements. |
| 16:11 | sekjal | the code would have to automatically re-style the HTML any time the XSLT is changed |
| 16:12 | rather than the actually XSLT in with the metadata, a link out to the table the XSLTs are stored in | |
| 16:12 | that's better... normal form and all | |
| 16:13 | jcamins | I think it would be best to compile the HTML JIT. We have 170k records, but only about 1k are going to be viewed any given month. Why rerun the other 174k? |
| 16:14 | sekjal | so long as there were the proper allowances made for speed, that makes sense to me |
| 16:14 | jcamins | Err, make that the other 169k. |
| 16:14 | gmcharlt | sekjal: I'd rather just stick pre-rendered bib output in a cache |
| 16:14 | not in the database | |
| 16:14 | jcamins | Right now we're rendering every record every time. |
| 16:15 | gmcharlt | that way you only render what is actually used |
| 16:15 | jcamins | But my major objection is that if you store the stylesheets in the database, how do you merge multiple sets of changes? |
| 16:17 | gmcharlt | jcamins: build in the ability to do diffs, I suppose |
| 16:17 | maybe the workflow would be to have a special class of system-supplied templates | |
| 16:17 | when a library starts using Koha, they wouldn't use a system-supplied template directly, but would use a copy of it | |
| 16:17 | then when they upgrade, the copy wouldn't be automatically overwritten | |
| 16:18 | sekjal | gmcharlt: yes, just like that |
| 16:18 | have system supplied, and then local use | |
| 16:18 | gmcharlt | but the librarian would have the option to compare the results with any changes to the system-supplied templates |
| 16:18 | and apply changes, if needed | |
| 16:18 | wizzyrea | a la wiki revisions? |
| 16:18 | gmcharlt | one thing that would help that is a abstracting some of the stuff such as generating search links |
| 16:18 | chris_n | C4::Git ? |
| 16:18 | gmcharlt | out of the base XSLT templates |
| 16:19 | wizzyrea | (trying to imagine how that would look to a user) |
| 16:19 | gmcharlt | and define a set of base template functions (e.g., koha-build-bib-link, koha-build-subject-link, etc.) |
| 16:19 | that are invoked by the display templates | |
| 16:20 | chris_n | how about template objects and link building methods? |
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| 16:22 | jcamins | chris_n: i.e., replace XSLT with a domain-specific bibliographic formatting language? |
| 16:24 | That seems kind of horrifying. CSL for MARC? | |
| 16:25 | * chris_n | boggles at the complexity of that thought |
| 16:26 | chris_n | and the thought of how to merge in improvements coming down the pipe from the main repo on a production system |
| 16:26 | recalls the nightmares of keeping custom templates in sync :-P | |
| 16:26 | * wizzyrea | shudders remembering her time as a template syncer |
| 16:27 | * chris_n | still does time in that regard |
| 16:27 | * wizzyrea | also remembers the relief of the day that 99% of the changes were converted to jquery |
| 16:29 | wizzyrea | nengard: are you writing the release notes for 3.2? or is gmcharlt doing that? |
| 16:29 | sekjal | idea: a centralist Koha template and XSLT library, managed by Git, that can be fetched from through the staff client |
| 16:29 | nengard | wizzyrea - um - no one asked me to - i thought the RM usually did that |
| 16:29 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: I'm writing them |
| 16:29 | wizzyrea | cool |
| 16:30 | chris_n | sekjal: I think you'd have to get git involved somehow if the ability to merge templates were to be offered inside of the staff interface |
| 16:31 | nengard | gmcharlt (or anyone) where do we stand on my comments about the privacy page in 3.2? |
| 16:31 | jcamins | Yeah, git would definitely be needed. |
| 16:31 | gmcharlt | nengard: we can kill it |
| 16:31 | nengard | :) |
| 16:31 | k | |
| 16:31 | sekjal | git++ |
| 16:32 | chris_n | hence my earlier line: C4::Git :) |
| 16:32 | jcamins | And a central repository would help, but I'm not convinced that it would eliminate the problem of dealing with local templates. |
| 16:33 | * chris_n | can guarantee that it would not |
| 16:33 | chris_n | and there would be merge conflicts to resolve |
| 16:33 | those might drive some librarians mad ;-) | |
| 16:33 | * wizzyrea | is still a proponent of the wordpress widget type organization of OPAC/Staff results |
| 16:33 | wizzyrea | only cached |
| 16:34 | gmcharlt | that would actually be an argument for a (very, very, very simple) domain-specific language for the bib display tempaltes |
| 16:34 | jcamins | Yes, merge conflicts would be a serious problem. |
| 16:34 | wizzyrea | and detail display |
| 16:35 | chris_n | gmcharlt: this would allow the library to "write" their "own" templates |
| 16:36 | jcamins | gmcharlt: provided it was simple (e.g., object-oriented is not simple), I can see the benefits. |
| 16:36 | chris_n | but would we then have to write some sort of template editor? |
| 16:36 | jcamins | Definitely. |
| 16:36 | How many people have ventured to adjust the ISBD syspref? | |
| 16:36 | gmcharlt | chris_n: not to put *too* much abstraction, but I think, practically speaking the basis might be starting with creating a code framework that allows hooking in multiple template/render engines |
| 16:37 | with the initial one, for backwards compatibility, being the status quo | |
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| 16:37 | jcamins | And the second one, for jcamins, being a LaTeX-based PDF renderer. |
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| 16:38 | wizzyrea | well that was weird |
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| 16:38 | * chris_n | is about finished with working with any sort of pdf stuff |
| 16:39 | chris_n | the standard is too unicode unfriendly |
| 16:39 | jcamins | chris_n: very sensible. Unfortunately, if you want to generate camera-ready copy automatically, PDF seems to be the way to go. |
| 16:39 | Topic for #koha is now Koha, an open source ILS: http://koha-community.org/ - don't ask to ask, just ask. This channel is publicly logged. Pastes at http://paste.koha-community.org/ | |
| 16:40 | chris_n | jcamins: true, and it is not impossible to use in a unicode environment, just next to it :) |
| 16:41 | jcamins | I'm hoping that xelatex makes it a little easier. |
| 16:41 | * chris_n | had some correspondence with an engineer at adobe about the problems we encounter in Koha |
| 16:42 | jcamins | nengard: is this a typo in the manual? "You will not be able to enter a contract retrospectively, the end date must be before today's date." |
| 16:42 | Under 7.2.3.1 | |
| 16:42 | nengard | ummm |
| 16:42 | it does sound that way doesn't it | |
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| 16:42 | jcamins | Yeah, but I'm not sure what contracts do, exactly. |
| 16:43 | nengard | but I'm not sure what it's supposed to say - i think I asked biblibre folks to help me with that |
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| 16:43 | nengard | and paul just left |
| 16:43 | hmmm | |
| 16:43 | jcamins | Okay, well, I reported it, so now I don't have to feel bad when I forget about it. |
| 16:43 | nengard | hehe |
| 16:43 | i'll see if i can get some help on list | |
| 16:47 | jcamins | How to tell when you've spent too much time looking at your Cutter table: you decide to create a test record of "Green eggs and ham," and don't need to look at the Cutter sheet to assign a Cutter for Seuss. |
| 16:49 | (S487 for anyone who was curious) | |
| 16:51 | * wizzyrea | was totally curious |
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| 16:55 | slef | I like this description "a collaborative community in the wild" Koha? |
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| 17:28 | jcamins | wizzyrea: the link to the English manual uses the ?page_id= URL instead of a friendly URL. |
| 17:29 | The link this page, I mean: http://koha-community.org/documentation/ | |
| 17:29 | It uses a friendly URL in the menu bar. | |
| 17:42 | slef | shall I try to edit? |
| 17:42 | jcamins | Oh, sure. |
| 17:42 | It should be a link to http://koha-community.org/docu[…]ation/3-2-manual/ instead of http://koha-community.org/?page_id=135 | |
| 17:43 | At least, I think it should. | |
| 17:43 | slef | try now |
| 17:43 | jcamins | Yep, all better. Thanks! |
| 17:43 | slef | cool |
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| 18:03 | * collum | is now having bad flashbacks of deriving Cutter numbers in Library School. |
| 18:06 | jcamins | collum: you mean that wasn't the highpoint of your education? |
| 18:08 | * chris_n | just uses oclc's cutter ap |
| 18:08 | chris_n | very lazy, I know |
| 18:10 | jcamins | chris_n: that's only possible if you use the standard Cutter table. |
| 18:10 | And have a computer... | |
| 18:10 | Also, that probably requires you to have OCLC, doesn't it? | |
| 18:11 | chris_n | no, its a stand-alone app |
| 18:11 | and has a couple of mode iirc | |
| 18:12 | jcamins | The need for a computer is fairly absolute, though. |
| 18:12 | chris_n | http://www.oclc.org/dewey/support/program/ |
| 18:13 | jcamins | Nifty. |
| 18:15 | Those are definitely Dewey Cutters. | |
| 18:15 | (as suggested by the URL, of course) | |
| 18:21 | collum | When I went to Library School Gopher was the most popular app. :) |
| 18:21 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 18:22 | Is there any reason to use a CONCAT with a GROUP BY clause, instead of just listing all the relevant fields separated by commas? | |
| 18:26 | Huh. | |
| 18:27 | 7144 versus 94 records. | |
| 18:29 | That was unexpected. | |
| 18:33 | briceSanc | How does the translation files .po work ? Do they copy the EN folder from a template to create an fr-CA folder ? |
| 18:35 | If the folder fr-CA already exist : What happens to the files in the fr-CA that are not in the EN folder ? | |
| 18:36 | Are they deleted? | |
| 18:40 | wizzyrea | I'm confused, what now? |
| 18:40 | (the manual url's are a mess, simply bc of the way they are integrated with wp) | |
| 18:40 | jcamins | wizzyrea: slef fixed it. |
| 18:40 | chris_n | briceSanc: that's probably a question either for the list or chris |
| 18:40 | wizzyrea | (and we're working on it) |
| 18:40 | What was the problem? | |
| 18:40 | jcamins | It wasn't in the URL. |
| 18:40 | It was the link to the URL. | |
| 18:40 | From the documentation page. | |
| 18:41 | briceSanc | ok |
| 18:41 | jcamins | Okay, that was completely incoherent. |
| 18:41 | Let me try again. | |
| 18:41 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 18:41 | jcamins | The problem wasn't in the manual. |
| 18:41 | * wizzyrea | is listening intently |
| 18:41 | jcamins | It was the link *to* the manual, from the main documentation page. |
| 18:41 | chris | briceSanc: not deleted |
| 18:41 | wizzyrea | oh, did it not work? |
| 18:42 | or it was just not the pretty url | |
| 18:42 | chris | But they will be replaced if they exist |
| 18:42 | jcamins | It was not a pretty URL, and my web browser threw a fit when it redirected. |
| 18:42 | Strangely, hitting enter on the rewritten URL worked fine. | |
| 18:43 | wizzyrea | does anybody know, if you anonymize the circ history for a patron, does the circ also go away from the item's circ data? or does it just not have a name |
| 18:43 | ohhh | |
| 18:44 | chris | briceSanc: that help? |
| 18:44 | jcamins | Useful fact: CONCAT doesn't like NULLs. |
| 18:44 | briceSanc | chris, a little, thanks :) |
| 18:44 | jcamins | Which means we have >7100 probable duplicates. |
| 18:45 | (duplicate records, that is) | |
| 18:45 | briceSanc | chris, it's because, we made change in the fr-CA template instead of EN :S |
| 18:45 | wizzyrea | err scratch that last question |
| 18:46 | chris | briceSanc: oh yeah if you do that then regen the tempaltes from the po files you change will get overwritten |
| 18:47 | briceSanc | ok it's what i think...crap... |
| 18:47 | that help ! | |
| 18:49 | ok, thanks for your answer, i go back to my code in order to store it in the good folder | |
| 18:49 | chris | Yup :) |
| 18:50 | chris_n | g'morning chris |
| 18:51 | chris | Its certainly morning |
| 18:51 | :) | |
| 18:51 | @wunder wellington nz | |
| 18:51 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on October 13, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:51 | chris | Its gonna be a nice day weather wise too |
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| 18:52 | chris | Heya pianohack |
| 18:52 | pianohack | Hi chris |
| 18:53 | How's it going? | |
| 18:53 | nengard | wizzyrea can you pull the manual? I fixed a typo that was confusing people |
| 18:53 | chris_n | hey pianohack |
| 18:53 | nengard | hiya pianohack |
| 18:53 | pianohack | Hi chris_n, nengard |
| 18:53 | chris | Not long to kohacon so good :) |
| 18:53 | pianohack | Cool |
| 18:53 | chris | How's the fbi clearance going? |
| 18:53 | pianohack | I... don't really knew |
| 18:53 | *know | |
| 18:54 | I'm apparently OK to work even though I didn't think I was | |
| 18:54 | bureaucratic limbo, the government is good at it | |
| 18:54 | How's the conference planning going? | |
| 18:55 | chris | Last little bits to finish off, all the big stuff is done |
| 18:55 | pianohack | Cool |
| 18:55 | I shall follow along from the IRC peanut gallery | |
| 18:55 | * owen | goes up for a high-five with pianohack |
| 18:56 | pianohack | No NZ trip for you either? |
| 18:56 | * jcamins | will be conference-ing vicariously through IRC, too |
| 18:56 | chris | Ahh there is www.kohacon10.org.nz/live/ |
| 18:56 | Which I hope to keep buzzing | |
| 18:57 | nengard | what's the wifi situation at the conference? |
| 18:57 | owen | What does the "send questions" thing do? |
| 18:58 | nengard | will it be able to handle us all |
| 18:58 | chris | Sends questions to the ppl working coveritlive |
| 18:58 | Dunno, and maybe | |
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| 18:59 | chris | Not a lot I can do if it cant |
| 18:59 | jcamins | You can gnash your teeth. |
| 19:00 | :) | |
| 19:00 | chris | :) |
| 19:00 | nengard | hehe |
| 19:00 | just curious | |
| 19:01 | chris | I've been getting good practice at that |
| 19:01 | owen: if you sent a question I won't see it til I get to work :) | |
| 19:01 | It was ok at linuxconf | |
| 19:02 | So should be | |
| 19:02 | Which reminds me I need to call si today | |
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| 19:07 | owen | Wouldn't you know my attempt at fixing Bug 5281 would work in everything bug IE |
| 19:07 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5281 trivial, P5, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED, "Check in" then "Renew" checkboxes checked in the same time |
| 19:07 | owen | IE-- |
| 19:08 | pianohack | ie-- |
| 19:08 | @karma ie | |
| 19:08 | munin | pianohack: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 10 times for a total karma of -10. |
| 19:08 | owen | Is karma case-sensitive? |
| 19:08 | @karma IE | |
| 19:08 | munin | owen: Karma for "IE" has been increased 0 times and decreased 10 times for a total karma of -10. |
| 19:09 | owen | It could be an amazing coincidence |
| 19:09 | jcamins | IE-- |
| 19:09 | @karma ie | |
| 19:09 | munin | jcamins: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 11 times for a total karma of -11. |
| 19:09 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 19:09 | Not a coincidence. ;) | |
| 19:09 | pianohack | The only problem with that output is how positive it is |
| 19:09 | ie-- | |
| 19:10 | For helping to make web development an impenetrable, nondeterministic morass | |
| 19:11 | jcamins | ie-- # for being so bad that using Safari 1 with koha seems like a good idea |
| 19:11 | pianohack: better? | |
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| 19:11 | pianohack | much :) |
| 19:11 | jcamins | It seems to me it should be possible to get a count of items created by month. |
| 19:12 | Maybe GROUP BY YEAR(items.dateaccessioned), MONTH(items.dateaccessioned) | |
| 19:14 | pianohack | That should work |
| 19:14 | jcamins | 1949-06? |
| 19:14 | 2001-01? | |
| 19:15 | Heh. | |
| 19:15 | I think we have some bad data. | |
| 19:17 | pianohack | at first I was all "wut?" and then I was all "oh yeah, relational databases hadn't been invented in 1949" |
| 19:17 | chris | hehe |
| 19:17 | jcamins | And we started creating item records in November 2009. |
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| 20:19 | wizzyrea | coveritlive is pretty robust |
| 20:19 | a lot of news organizations use it for local events | |
| 20:20 | chris | yeah, i like it has the rss feed |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | sorry, i'm reading backlog |
| 20:20 | chris | cos you can archive that way, also it has xml |
| 20:20 | export | |
| 20:28 | jcamins | Is it possible to push to a repository without adding it? |
| 20:28 | for example: git push gitgithub.com:amnumsoc/koha.git |
|
| 20:29 | (leaving aside for a moment the fact that the URL is GitHub and not Gitorious) | |
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| 20:33 | chris | yes it is |
| 20:33 | jcamins | Cool, thanks. |
| 20:33 | chris | if that repository is set up to accept pushes from you :) |
| 20:34 | jcamins | Right. That's why I say "read the documentation before trying this at home." |
| 20:34 | But I figure if that will work, it will work regardless of whether or not the person following the instruction has set up a remote with the same name I would use. | |
| 20:35 | And I'm not explaining how to set up a git repository from scratch. | |
| 20:35 | chris | cool |
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| 20:39 | jcamins | Time to go. |
| 20:39 | Have a good night, #koha | |
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| 20:52 | sekjal | goodnight, #koha! |
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| 21:02 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: remove scratch files from the it-IT SQL files <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a53a1553277cc17d6> |
| 21:03 | chris | go go gmcharlt |
| 21:06 | hudsonbot | Starting build 69 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 21:07 | CGI879 | good afternoon |
| 21:08 | i have a problem... | |
| 21:09 | when i lend a book.....my return date is 1990? | |
| 21:09 | chris | what version of koha CGI879 ? |
| 21:10 | CGI879 | 3.0.2 |
| 21:10 | darling | you should probably return it immediately and hope the fine isn't too much |
| 21:10 | * darling | is very helpful today |
| 21:11 | CGI879 | no....this is not my problem... |
| 21:11 | my return date is 1990 not 2010 | |
| 21:11 | chris | whats the system clock on the server say? |
| 21:12 | and is it return date, or the date due? | |
| 21:12 | CGI879 | return date |
| 21:13 | chris | so when you return the item it says it was returned in 1990? |
| 21:13 | or when you issue it, it says it is due back in 1990? | |
| 21:13 | CGI879 | yes...automatically |
| 21:13 | chris | which one? |
| 21:13 | hudsonbot | Project Koha build (69): SUCCESS in 7 min 32 sec: http://bugs.koha-community.org:8080/job/Koha/69/ |
| 21:13 | Galen Charlton: remove scratch files from the it-IT SQL files | |
| 21:14 | CGI879 | returnt automatically in 1990 |
| 21:14 | not 2010 | |
| 21:14 | why? | |
| 21:14 | chris | i dont know |
| 21:14 | ive never ever heard of that before | |
| 21:14 | what date does the server think it is | |
| 21:15 | CGI879 | mm...wait |
| 21:17 | i can set teh koha date? | |
| 21:17 | the | |
| 21:17 | chris | no it uses the system time |
| 21:17 | CGI879 | ahhh ok |
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| 21:19 | CGI879 | thanks |
| 21:23 | chris | is it working now? |
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| 21:52 | * jcamins | would just like to reiterate his extreme lack of desire to be involved in non-profit management. |
| 21:52 | jcamins | (it's quarterly report time!) |
| 21:53 | chris | ahh yeah, i still vote for spi or software freedom conservancy, or hlt who has time for that :) |
| 21:53 | jcamins | My cat agrees. |
| 21:54 | ;) | |
| 21:54 | It's not that I don't think non-profits do important things. | |
| 21:55 | chris | yeah :) i just see it as smarter to make use of existing structures |
| 21:55 | if its good enough for debian, good enough for me | |
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| 21:59 | robin | The latest SFLC podcast talks a bit about projects and the conservancy |
| 22:00 | chris | oh ill hve to listen |
| 22:01 | jcamins | This is my first report that I don't have to use the phrase "however, there are mitigating circumstances." |
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| 22:02 | robin | Oh no! that means there are no mitigating circumstances? :) |
| 22:02 | jcamins | No, it means I have good news. |
| 22:02 | Membership is up! | |
| 22:02 | chris | sweet! |
| 22:04 | http://listen.grooveshark.com/[…]+Good+Life/2337Pe <-- some brassy goodness to help you work | |
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| 22:05 | chris | i always end up listening to dub when the sun is shining |
| 22:05 | robin | insufficient metal for working to. |
| 22:06 | chris | heh |
| 22:07 | robin | erk, and that reminds me I forgot to bring my USB soundcard in, I think that the onboard audio on this computer is doing bad things to the sound and want to compare it. |
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| 22:40 | slef | SFLC, time to make podcasts? They're not doing enough work ;-) |
| 22:40 | robin: is the driver snd-pcspkr? | |
| 22:41 | robin | slef: heh no. But onboard sound is traditionally pretty terrible. |
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| 22:43 | slef | I know. I use some C-Media USB device for telephone even. |
| 22:45 | robin | Yeah, I have a creative something-or-other, got it so I could get 5.1 from a laptop, but after using it for music, I could no longer stand the onboard let's-play-this-through-mud-first onboard HDA thingy |
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| 22:53 | slef | @marc 440 a |
| 22:53 | munin | slef: Title |
| 22:54 | robin | that could do with providing more detail really |
| 22:54 | chris | what! |
| 22:54 | how many titles does something need | |
| 22:54 | @marc 245 a | |
| 22:54 | munin | chris: Title |
| 22:54 | robin | Field 440 - Series Statement/Added Entry-Title [OBSOLETE, 2008] |
| 22:54 | chris | @marc 700 a |
| 22:54 | munin | chris: Personal name |
| 22:54 | chris | @marc 100 a |
| 22:54 | munin | chris: Personal name A surname and/or forename; letters, initials, abbreviations, phrases, or numbers used in place of a name; or a family name. |
| 22:54 | chris | make up your mind!! |
| 22:55 | robin | actually, the more I use it, the more the ideas behind MARC make sense. I just still don't like the implementation. |
| 22:56 | chris | the basic idea is kinda flawed for today, trying to make it do FRBR is kinda hard |
| 22:57 | but as a storage and interchange format for 1970 | |
| 22:57 | it was fine :) | |
| 22:57 | robin | FRBR? |
| 22:57 | chris | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F[…]iographic_Records |
| 22:57 | robin | ah right, yeah |
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| 23:54 | wasabi | meh, tcl-nz have just switched to opendns? :/ |
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| 23:56 | chris | they have? |
| 23:58 | pastebot | "wasabi" at 203.97.99.222 pasted "wasabi:~ masonjames$ dig dsads" (20 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/82 |
| 23:59 | wasabi | looks like it for me, tho its working erratically... which is normal for TCL |
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