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| 00:47 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_b | |
| 02:21 | robin | So it turns out that Liberty can't output well-formed CSV files. In other news, my CSV-to-MARC script can now handle badly formed CSV files :) |
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| 02:44 | jcamins_b | @wunder 11105 |
| 02:44 | munin | jcamins_b: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 19.5�C (10:49 PM EDT on October 10, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006.7 hPa (Steady). |
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| 03:13 | RedDragon | hola soy cubano, hay alguien que quiera platicar conmigo? |
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| 03:19 | richard | darn, just as i'd looked up a translation on google |
| 03:28 | robin | yeah, I did the same :) |
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| 03:51 | Amit | heya chris |
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| 05:12 | mib_hub1l | hello |
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| 05:57 | chris | @wunder Wellington nz |
| 05:57 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0�C (6:00 PM NZDT on October 11, 2010). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Rising). |
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| 06:21 | mib_8fv8w | hi! all |
| 06:24 | im installing koha on debian lenny i have a problem my system always out of memory | |
| 06:25 | did somebody know how to resolve this kind of problem | |
| 06:27 | pls. help me | |
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| 06:50 | chris | mib_8fv8w: that sounds like a linux problem, you might be better off asking on a linux specific forum |
| 06:50 | evening all | |
| 06:59 | paul_p | morning from Europe chris |
| 06:59 | D-9 before takeoff :D | |
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| 07:01 | ivanc | good morning #koha |
| 07:02 | magnus | g'day #koha |
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| 07:05 | mib_8m3l9 | hi all |
| 07:06 | we opened the ports for z39.50, but some securtiy threat persists | |
| 07:07 | how can I secure our server from security reasons while keeping open ports for z39.50 | |
| 07:09 | chris | thats a linux question, not really a koha one, you are better off asking that in a linux specific forum, im unsure what threat you have by opening on outbound port to a specific ip |
| 07:10 | paul_p: not long now ;) | |
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| 07:11 | cait | hi #koha |
| 07:11 | ivanc | guten morgen cait |
| 07:11 | cait | hi ivanc |
| 07:14 | mib_8m3l9 | chris: our system administrator said, that these ports breaches serious types of security |
| 07:14 | asked any koha user, who have implemented koha with setting securtiy also | |
| 07:23 | hdl | hi chris. |
| 07:24 | mib_8fv8w | when i check the process that is the result 2957 www-data 20 0 112m 27m 4024 R 14 1.4 26:19.85 opac-reserve.pl |
| 07:24 | cait | hi hdl and chris |
| 07:25 | hdl | hi cait. |
| 07:26 | chris | mib_8m3l9: can your system administrator tell you why those ports breach security? if all you have listening on them is a z3950 server, there has to be something listening on a port for anything to happne, open ports with nothing listening to them isnt a problem so surely the number of the port has nothing to do with it, its more whats listening on that number |
| 07:29 | mib_8fv8w | all the process is 3184 www-data 20 0 97664 25m 4024 R 13 1.3 10:40.86 opac-reserve.pl |
| 07:32 | when i check free -m just like this koha:~# free -m total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1990 1863 127 0 7 89 -/+ buffers/cache: 1765 224 | |
| 07:32 | the memory free is 127mb | |
| 07:32 | mib_8m3l9 | chris: ok |
| 07:39 | mib_8fv8w | if i restarted the system the size is going normal but the the client is going to login the memory will become smaller until the system is become slow because is out of memory |
| 07:42 | chris | mib_8fv8w: maybe reduce the number of threads apache starts |
| 07:44 | mib_8fv8w | right now i restarted my koha system because the memory free is almost 48mb. |
| 07:44 | chris | you probably need to tune your apache, to open less threads |
| 07:45 | mib_8fv8w | maybe |
| 07:45 | did you know how to tune up | |
| 07:47 | chris | nope, you would be better off asking on an apache forum or a linux one |
| 07:48 | mib_8fv8w | ah ok] |
| 07:49 | hi chris where are you from? | |
| 07:50 | chris | new zealand |
| 07:51 | mib_8fv8w | me philippines |
| 07:51 | thnks for helping me. | |
| 07:52 | chris | no problem |
| 07:58 | mib_8fv8w | chris are you the one developer on koha system |
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| 08:00 | mib_8fv8w | im switching koha 3 months ago but before im using hunter system. |
| 08:00 | i like koha but my problem i am newbie in linux. | |
| 08:01 | CGI938 | hello. somebody help. i installed koha on windows and i need to connect to it remotely. i was able to connect to it by using the ip address (e.g. http://172.xx.x.x) but it always connects me to the opac but i want to connect to the admin part of the koha not the opac. anybody help, it wil be deeply appreciated. thanks. Eugene librarian from the Philippines |
| 08:03 | ivanc | CGI938: apache is installed correctly? |
| 08:06 | mib_8fv8w is now known as jovax | |
| 08:07 | jovax | hi chris still there? |
| 08:07 | CGI938 | yes it is i was able to connect to it but opac is the default |
| 08:08 | i want to connect to the admin part remotely | |
| 08:10 | jovax | check the virtual host opac 172.x.x.x:80 , admin 172.x.x.x:8080 |
| 08:11 | ivanc | look ad address 172.x ... is the loopback device |
| 08:12 | jovax | just example |
| 08:12 | ivanc | s/172/127/ |
| 08:12 | CGI938 | thanks jovax |
| 08:12 | will try | |
| 08:12 | jovax | no problem |
| 08:13 | CGI938 | still can't connect 172.xx.x.x:80 am able to connect to opac |
| 08:13 | while 172.xx.x.x:8080 unable to connect | |
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| 08:19 | cait | CGI938: which version of koha have you installed? |
| 08:20 | CGI938 | 2.2.9 which is working in windows |
| 08:23 | slef | I thought the windows one used 8080, but can you connect locally to the admin? |
| 08:35 | CGI938 | yes i can connect locally. i can't connect remotely to the admin but can connect remotely to opac |
| 08:35 | is it possible to connect remotely to the admin which the koha is installed in windows | |
| 08:43 | is it possible to connect remotely to the admin which the koha is installed in windows? | |
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| 08:48 | CGI938 | anybody help with my query on connecting remotely to windows server of koha. thanks |
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| 08:58 | CGI938 | gtg guys thanks for answering my queries.. |
| 08:58 | tomorrow again | |
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| 11:15 | magnus | @wunder bodo, norway |
| 11:15 | munin | magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (12:50 PM CEST on October 11, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 11:16 | * magnus | has a fire going in the livingroom... |
| 11:16 | nengard | magnus that sounds lovely |
| 11:17 | the fire - not the cold outside ;) | |
| 11:17 | magnus | :-) |
| 11:31 | cait | hi magnus and nengard |
| 11:31 | magnus | hiya cait |
| 11:32 | nengard | hiya cait |
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| 11:56 | cait | bye all :) |
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| 11:57 | chris_n` is now known as chris_n | |
| 11:57 | nengard | morning chris_n |
| 11:57 | chris_n | heya nengard |
| 11:57 | nengard | morning wasabit and collum too! |
| 12:02 | gmcharlt | good morning |
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| 12:04 | owen | Hi everyone |
| 12:05 | * owen | pops in for a few minutes before a grueling all-day staff meeting begins |
| 12:12 | nengard | that sounds terrible |
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| 12:13 | owen | It usually is :) |
| 12:13 | nengard | one of the things i dont miss about being in the library :) all day staff meetings (specifically those that were supposed to be 1 hour) |
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| 13:09 | larsw | nengard, hey, sympathies and cheers! |
| 13:09 | nengard | hi lars |
| 13:18 | jcamins_a is now known as jcamins | |
| 13:18 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 13:26 | All-day staff meetings... ick. | |
| 13:41 | nengard | koha demo time - be back alter |
| 13:41 | later | |
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| 13:47 | jcamins | I think I may have a sponsorship for a non-MARC cataloging entry form. |
| 13:48 | slef | non-MARC? |
| 13:49 | jcamins | Yes. Something that looks more like a citation manager interface. |
| 13:49 | So that a user doesn't have to know that the ISBN goes in 020. | |
| 13:50 | slef | So that a user doesn't have to know that the ISBN goes in 020 labelled "INTERNATIONAL STANDARD BOOK NUMBER"? :-/ |
| 13:50 | jcamins | I will be doing nothing with the underlying data storage. |
| 13:50 | Well, that one's pretty straightforward, actually. | |
| 13:50 | Bad example. | |
| 13:50 | A better example would be 300a. | |
| 13:51 | "Physical description - Extent"... what? | |
| 13:51 | slef | I am sceptical about simplified cataloguing. I think Koha used to have it and the MARC-linked one became far more widely used for a reason. |
| 13:51 | jcamins | I know what it means, and I still have no idea what the word "extent" means in this context. |
| 13:51 | slef | It means the extent, doesn't it? |
| 13:51 | jcamins | Oh, yes. Librarians much prefer to use MARC. |
| 13:51 | slef | Like number of pages? |
| 13:51 | @marc 300$a | |
| 13:51 | munin | slef: unknown tag 300$a |
| 13:52 | slef | @marc 300 a |
| 13:52 | munin | slef: Extent The number of pages, volumes, cassettes, total playing time, etc., of the described item. (Repeatable) |
| 13:52 | jcamins | Yeah, as I said, I know what it means, but I would never know to define "extent" as "number of pages" if you didn't include the phrase "300 a." ;) |
| 13:52 | slef | now I'm no librarian, but that seems straightforward to me |
| 13:52 | jcamins | It may just be that "extent" isn't a word that I've ever heard used, then. |
| 13:53 | slef | extent has many meanings... it's not the most common one, but it's valid |
| 13:54 | jcamins | Okay, so maybe that's not such a good example either. (note to self: try and use "extent" in conversations more) |
| 13:54 | slef | Anyway, what I'm trying to express is that I'm a bit ambivalent about helping people to catalogue without learning a little cataloguing terminology because it may result in poor-quality catalogues and Koha getting blamed for it. |
| 13:55 | jcamins | I think there would have to be a note to the effect that "this interface is limited to only the most basic data entry." |
| 13:56 | slef | Probably flag something in the record to say "this is incomplete and you should either complete it or use any other MARC record in preference" |
| 13:56 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 13:56 | slef | @marc 005 |
| 13:56 | munin | slef: Sixteen characters that indicate the date and time of the latest record transaction and serve as a version identifier for the record. They are recorded according to Representation of Dates and Times (ISO 8601). The date requires 8 numeric characters in the pattern yyyymmdd. The time requires 8 numeric characters in the pattern hhmmss.f, expressed in terms of the 24-hour (00-23) clock. [] |
| 13:56 | slef | that's not the one I was trying to remember :) |
| 13:56 | jcamins | LDR/17 |
| 13:57 | Have it always set to '5' with this interface. | |
| 13:57 | slef | anyway, if you note something like that in the RFC or Enh, I'll be happy |
| 13:57 | jcamins | Sounds good. |
| 13:58 | It'll probably be a few days before I write the RFC, and somewhat longer before I can actually start working on it, but for my clients, at least, this will be a much-wanted feature. | |
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| 14:28 | wizzyrea | has anybody installed from the tarball? |
| 14:28 | did you have trouble with Authen:CAS:Client | |
| 14:28 | or whatever it is | |
| 14:32 | jcamins | Our server doesn't have it. |
| 14:33 | (currently on 3.1.0.135) | |
| 14:34 | slef | wizzyrea: not yet. It's on my todo but so is the world. :-/ |
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| 14:39 | trea | hello koha folk. i'm having a problem installling koha. can you help? |
| 14:41 | i'm using debian 2.6.26-2-686, and am attempting an install of the release candidate (i'm helping to test) and I have gotten all the way to the web installer portion of the documentation. However, it says that PDF::API2::Simple is missing. | |
| 14:42 | i've run apt-get install libpdf-api2-perl, and it says that the package already exists; furthermore when I attempt to install this package via CPAN I get the following errors: | |
| 14:42 | Can't locate inc/Module/Install.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at Makefile.PL line 1. | |
| 14:42 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Makefile.PL line 1. | |
| 14:42 | Warning: No success on command[/usr/bin/perl Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=site] | |
| 14:42 | REDTREE/PDF-API2-Simple-1.1.4u.tar.gz | |
| 14:42 | /usr/bin/perl Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=site -- NOT OK | |
| 14:43 | jcamins | trea: try sudo apt-get install libmodule-install-perl |
| 14:44 | trea | thanks jcamins, i'll let you know the result |
| 14:44 | wizzyrea | jcamins: is that one that we need to add to the installer? |
| 14:44 | the package installer I mean (maybe we did and I have weekend amnesia) | |
| 14:45 | jcamins | wizzyrea: yes, I thought we did that. |
| 14:45 | I'll check... | |
| 14:45 | wizzyrea | k cool. So it's just the tarball that's mucked atm then |
| 14:45 | trea | AHA! that got it! |
| 14:45 | thanks jcamins! | |
| 14:46 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 14:46 | wizzyrea: I could have sworn we added it, but I can't find the patch. | |
| 14:47 | Oh, I never got the patch from you. | |
| 14:47 | Actually, I'm not sure I've gotten any patches at all. | |
| 14:48 | trea | alright, my koha install finished, and now I must goto a staff meeting. thanks again for your help |
| 14:50 | jcamins | thd is so diplomatic. "Somewhat antiquated." |
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| 15:15 | jcamins | How do you rebase onto a tag? |
| 15:15 | git rebase v3.00.06? | |
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| 15:33 | jcamins | What text editor does one use on a completely vanilla Debian installation? |
| 15:36 | slef | nano, vi or ed I think |
| 15:36 | jcamins | ed! That's the one I forgot about. |
| 15:36 | nano doesn't appear to come installed by default. | |
| 15:36 | Thanks. | |
| 15:36 | slef | oh wait |
| 15:36 | /etc/alternatives/editor should get you the best possible | |
| 15:37 | also editor or sensible-editor | |
| 15:37 | jcamins | Cool, thanks. |
| 15:37 | slef | just remember it's debian :) |
| 15:38 | jcamins | I always use vi, but it has occurred to me that most librarians probably wouldn't know how to use it. |
| 15:38 | Elwell_ | unkind. (but sadly true) |
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| 15:40 | jcamins | That doesn't seem unkind to me. Merely an observation that the majority of librarians were doing library-related things in 1984, not reading Introducing the Unix System. ;) |
| 15:41 | slef | ed and vi have their place. It's probably 1984. |
| 15:42 | jcamins | Yes, but if that's what I can rely on being on *any* Debian server, that's what I'm going to recommend learning. |
| 15:57 | paul_p | nengard, mail from me in your mailbox |
| 15:57 | (good morning USA !) | |
| 15:57 | nengard | paul_p good morning - heading over there now |
| 15:57 | paul_p | nengard, it's 6Pm in France, not really morning anymore :D |
| 15:58 | nengard | actually not morning here anymore either - where did the time go!! |
| 15:58 | paul_p | right... |
| 15:59 | slef | jcamins: I'm pretty sure nano is in most debian tasks. It all depends what you mean by "vanilla". |
| 16:00 | jcamins | Whatever you end up with after running the Debian installer according to the Koha installation instructions. |
| 16:00 | wizzyrea | I always find that I need build-essentials and nano and ssh when I install |
| 16:01 | the bad thing is that the install instructions assume a spanky new debian install | |
| 16:01 | but I suppose that an admin competent enough to already be running a debian server probably wouldn't have much trouble with koha | |
| 16:01 | jcamins | Isn't that a good thing? It means it won't ask for anything you don't have. |
| 16:09 | nengard: do you mean for collection-level records, or records for individual letters, etc.? | |
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| 16:14 | wizzyrea | hmm, I'm looking at the currently selected default data |
| 16:14 | for an installation | |
| 16:14 | nengard | jcamins - are you asking about my email? |
| 16:15 | the person who asked me just asked if I have any examples of people using Koha to catalog archives | |
| 16:15 | paul_p - email coming your way | |
| 16:15 | wizzyrea | I feel like holidays, item types, sample news, z servers, and authorized values ought to be optional, but checked by default |
| 16:15 | jcamins | nengard: yes. |
| 16:16 | Okay, I'll assume it's collection-level records that are of interest, and respond to that. | |
| 16:16 | wizzyrea | and the message transports! |
| 16:16 | nengard | thanks jcamins |
| 16:17 | wizzyrea | maybe we need to define a "suggested" install. |
| 16:17 | nengard | wizzyrea i agree with all except item types |
| 16:17 | most libraries have their own and it's not as simple as clicking 'delete all' to get rid of the defaults | |
| 16:17 | wizzyrea | that's fair |
| 16:17 | nengard | which brings up a feature I'd like to see in many more places - checkboxes and delete checked options :) |
| 16:18 | anywhere we have individual delete links | |
| 16:18 | wizzyrea | ^^ YES |
| 16:18 | * wizzyrea | is reminded about one of her annoyances with the label creator |
| 16:19 | nengard | my biggest complaint is with the framework editor |
| 16:19 | wizzyrea | I think I'll file a bug about that, it bears discusison I think |
| 16:19 | frameworks are another one | |
| 16:19 | nengard | that one has a bug already |
| 16:19 | frameworks | |
| 16:19 | i'll fidn it | |
| 16:19 | wizzyrea | I'd like to see "Suggested" |
| 16:19 | nengard | find |
| 16:20 | wizzyrea | I mean, what should be checked for sample data |
| 16:20 | it should all be optional, but I think we should suggest some. | |
| 16:20 | (well not all optional, there's obviously mandatory stuff) | |
| 16:21 | nengard | can't find it - i know i reported it though ... gonna report it again :) |
| 16:21 | i like that idea - 'suggested' | |
| 16:21 | slef | wizzyrea: why can't I edit your koha-community.org pages or contact you about them except in public? I think I wanted to fix the nabble mailing list archive link and stop it going to spam. |
| 16:22 | I can edit nengard-created pages AFAICT. | |
| 16:22 | nengard | i can't edit wizzyrea's pages either :) i think it's cause she's logged in as an admin when she writes them |
| 16:25 | wizzyrea | yes, sorry I will fix that |
| 16:28 | it's going to take me a little bit to catch them all, but that particular page should be ready for your edit. | |
| 16:31 | slef: please let me know if you run across any others like that, I'll fix them. There are a few pages I've done special tricks on to make things work, that I don't want people to edit, but most everything else is fair game. | |
| 16:32 | slef | wizzyrea: am I overlooking an easy way to contact you from/about the site? |
| 16:33 | wizzyrea | nope, I will add that too. |
| 16:34 | slef | I went to pick a random email address for you off the list, but got interrupted before I got there. |
| 16:34 | nengard | k - lunch time - will be back soon |
| 16:34 | wizzyrea | fwiw you can always email lreanekls.org or wizzyreagmail.com |
| 16:34 | :) | |
| 16:35 | zoinks! almost lunchtime here too! where did this morning go! | |
| 16:36 | paul_p | bon... time to go back home. See you tomorrow #biblibre (for a D-8 before take off :D ) |
| 16:36 | s/#biblibre/#koha/ sorry ;-) | |
| 16:37 | wizzyrea | paul_p: you leave tomorrow? |
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| 16:37 | paul_p | wizzyrea, no, in 8 days ;-) |
| 16:37 | wizzyrea | OH derrr |
| 16:37 | slef | wizzyrea: I have no memory capacity spare :) |
| 16:37 | wizzyrea | I have D-4 :D:D:D |
| 16:38 | paul_p | 19oct => to Kuala Lumpur, 1 day in KL, then to Auck |
| 16:38 | slef | D-8 here too. I think. |
| 16:38 | I really should check my details :) | |
| 16:38 | paul_p | slef you'd better... missing your plane would be ... quite annoying :D |
| 16:38 | slef | paul_p: I have help. |
| 16:38 | paul_p | this time, bye ! |
| 16:38 | slef | ciao |
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| 16:39 | wizzyrea | bye paul_p |
| 16:39 | * wizzyrea | gets little butterflies everytime she thinks about the possibility of missing the plane |
| 16:39 | wizzyrea | more like buzzing hornets |
| 16:40 | jcamins | I missed a flight from London to Salzburg when I was Eurail-ing around Europe. |
| 16:40 | We didn't know that DST is different in the UK than in the US. | |
| 16:41 | That was very stressful. | |
| 16:42 | nengard | D-9 |
| 16:42 | slef | jcamins: as in switchover date? |
| 16:42 | jcamins | Right. |
| 16:43 | nengard | if we're talking about days until we leave :) |
| 16:43 | slef | jcamins: UK is with EU, has been for a few years but I think I remember when it wasn't. |
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| 16:45 | slef | as in synchronisation of DST dates |
| 16:46 | jcamins | Now, of course, DST in the States is even weirder. |
| 16:47 | SJeffery | Don't forget that some of us don't follow that crazy DST thing. |
| 16:48 | jcamins | SJeffery: and very sensible of you, too. |
| 16:49 | SJeffery | On the downside, there is still quite a bit of software out there that doesn't support an Arizona time zone (including one of the major forum packages). |
| 16:56 | wizzyrea | jcamins, can I send you a patch to see if you can apply it? |
| 16:57 | slef | Talking of forums, does someone here have a Nabble2 login? |
| 16:57 | wizzyrea | with my recent patch formatting stupidity I don't want to send it to the list :/ |
| 16:58 | jcamins | wizzyrea: sure. |
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| 17:07 | jcamins | Yay! owen survived! |
| 17:08 | owen | Just coming up for air |
| 17:08 | jcamins | Okay, well, yay! owen's not dead yet! |
| 17:09 | nengard | wizzyrea what happened to the patch i was proofing? |
| 17:11 | hi owen!! | |
| 17:11 | how's it going? | |
| 17:13 | owen | I get to sit out the discussion of health insurance because I'm covered by my wife's |
| 17:14 | slef | #weLoveTheNHS |
| 17:15 | * owen | can only hope... some day... |
| 17:15 | slef | I remember being told that US spends 16% on health. I wonder how much higher it would be if costs of such discussions were included? |
| 17:16 | owen | Unfortunately rationality doesn't have much part in the politics of it |
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| 17:18 | chris | morning |
| 17:18 | slef | Oh well. Let's use silly posters then. http://www.facebook.com/photo.[…]&oid=249360150703 |
| 17:18 | larsw | hi, chirs |
| 17:18 | slef | hi chris |
| 17:18 | larsw | er, chris |
| 17:18 | chris | heh |
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| 17:21 | nengard | slef that's funny |
| 17:21 | hi chris | |
| 17:24 | slef | my XSLT's performance must suck. It's much slower than the much longer one I downloaded |
| 17:24 | jcamins | slef: are you using axes? |
| 17:28 | slef | jcamins: as in? (save me looking up) |
| 17:29 | jcamins | preceding-sibling:: is the really inefficient one, but t I'm pretty sure following-sibling:: and ancestor:: are also slow. |
| 17:29 | slef | I've a xsl:template match='node()[@tag="nnn"]' and a match='@*|node()' and that's all. |
| 17:30 | hrm, do I need a match on the last xsl:template? | |
| 17:30 | jcamins | Hm. I'm not an expert, but I can't see why that would be slow. |
| 17:34 | @karma xslt | |
| 17:34 | munin | jcamins: Karma for "xslt" has been increased 3 times and decreased 4 times for a total karma of -1. |
| 17:34 | jcamins | Heh. I kind of figured that xslt would have negative karma. |
| 17:41 | SJeffery | *facepalms at the most recent blog post* |
| 17:41 | slef | SJeffery: which? |
| 17:42 | SJeffery | The PTFS/Liblime one |
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| 17:43 | slef | ah. Yes. |
| 17:43 | Lots of facepalming about that over the weekend. | |
| 17:43 | SJeffery | This is why I don't log in over the weekend, I get it all on monday:D |
| 17:45 | jcamins | But then you are catching up until mid-afternoon. |
| 17:45 | nengard | wish i hadn'ed logged in this weekend.... |
| 17:45 | yikes- can't type | |
| 17:45 | slef | I was at a conference on Saturday. Might as well login in the dull talk. (Shush, don't tell anyone their talk was dull.) |
| 17:45 | nengard | wish I hadn't logged in this weekend... |
| 17:45 | slef | nengard: you are channelling me. Be afraid. |
| 17:46 | nengard | hehe |
| 17:47 | larsw wrote a lovely post : http://blog.liw.fi/posts/in-defense-of-nicole/ | |
| 17:47 | slef | ok, what's the current quick way to delete someone's whole never-used catalogue? delete all rows in biblio, biblioitems, items, issues... what else? |
| 17:47 | I could drop the db and reload, but I'm being lazy :) | |
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| 17:48 | slef | heh, I could have written lars's post from what I've read so far |
| 17:49 | jcamins | larsw++ |
| 17:49 | slef | "Tags for this page: koha rant" |
| 17:50 | chris | slef: thats about it, if its never used ... if it has been used delete rows in statistics too |
| 17:50 | slef | chris: ta. |
| 17:51 | larsw++ | |
| 17:51 | chris++ | |
| 17:51 | mmm, was http://library-matters.blogspo[…]ive-and-well.html really only a week ago? | |
| 17:52 | chris | its like a premonition |
| 17:52 | i must ask jo the lotto numbers | |
| 17:54 | bbiab | |
| 17:56 | nengard | hehe |
| 17:56 | one commentor felt that Jo's post caused all this | |
| 17:56 | commentor on my post | |
| 17:56 | slef | If you'd like more anti-corporate rhetoric, http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2008/index |
| 17:57 | http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/[…]-1.html#codes0326 for a much shorter version. | |
| 18:05 | chris_n | larsw++ |
| 18:05 | chris++ | |
| 18:06 | ptfs-- | |
| 18:06 | * chris_n | suddenly realizes he already said that last line once in this discussion |
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| 18:12 | jcamins | Looks like chris will now have company from other bus-riding #koha-ers. |
| 18:15 | slef | I haven't. |
| 18:15 | ptfs-- | |
| 18:15 | jcamins: ?? | |
| 18:15 | jcamins | sekjal is signed in from his Android phone. |
| 18:16 | ;) | |
| 18:16 | I figure that one wouldn't sign in while driving, walking, or biking, and there's generally no phone reception on subways, which leaves the bus. | |
| 18:16 | Or the train. | |
| 18:16 | slef | oic |
| 18:17 | SJeffery | 11:30am on a Monday and the day is already a cluster...a sign of the week ahead perhaps? |
| 18:17 | slef | so if we successfully exploit his host now, we get to make phone calls? |
| 18:17 | SJeffery: speak for yourself. | |
| 18:17 | wizzyrea | mua hahahahaha |
| 18:17 | slef | SJeffery: it's 1930 here. :) |
| 18:17 | sekjal | out at lunch, actually. but was missing #koha |
| 18:17 | slef | sekjal: we miss you too! |
| 18:18 | jcamins | SJeffery: I'm going to go with "yes." |
| 18:18 | wizzyrea | hehe one time I attended an IRC meeting from a restaurant |
| 18:18 | slef | ooooh I've done that |
| 18:18 | annoyed the hell out of my wife | |
| 18:18 | won't do it again | |
| 18:18 | wizzyrea | *giggle* |
| 18:18 | jcamins | Although actually, I shouldn't be so pessimistic... my wife hasn't gotten sick again yet, so it looks like this week our apartment is mostly mold-less. |
| 18:19 | wizzyrea | fortunately I was with coworkers that time, and they didn't require my attention |
| 18:19 | jcamins | slef: Not having a smartphone, I'm safe from that particular sin. ;) |
| 18:19 | wizzyrea | no way I could do that whilst out to dinner with my family |
| 18:19 | sekjal | I'm on my own. my wife has to work at home today, and wanted me to get some air |
| 18:19 | slef | jcamins: mold, the permanent battle of wet climates. |
| 18:19 | wizzyrea | read : GTFO |
| 18:19 | lol | |
| 18:19 | SJeffery | Has anyone (relatively recently) written an overview of all the goings-ons with PTFS vs all? |
| 18:20 | slef | SJeffery: I was reading one earlier, not sure how recent, but from my point of view little has changed recently. |
| 18:22 | ah no, the one I was reading was from Harley's release | |
| 18:22 | wizzyrea | imo it probably needs to go back to what happened even before kohacon last year |
| 18:22 | starting with the open letter, or even before | |
| 18:22 | slef | I'm not sure anyone reported the last evil action http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]10-08-28#i_492736 |
| 18:22 | SJeffery | I keep hearing bits and pieces, but have not run across anything comprehensive that can be used to show someone what is going on. |
| 18:23 | nengard | sekjal when i travel i'm usually eating dinner with wizzyrea and chris on IM :) |
| 18:23 | meaning I chat with them while i'm eating alone | |
| 18:23 | slef | SJeffery: I'll help answer, but even through I work for the co-op, we're open to the "you would say that because you're competing" accusation so I won't post it myself. |
| 18:24 | wizzyrea | < can't really say much either. |
| 18:25 | slef | I thought you worked for a library group? |
| 18:25 | * slef | looks up wizzyrea |
| 18:25 | * jcamins | must also recuse himself |
| 18:26 | slef | I'll write a "here's what we've seen" if it's useful to the community, but I can only handle so much crap being flung in my direction at once. |
| 18:26 | nengard | wizzyrea does work for a library group - a library group who get support (in theory) from said company |
| 18:26 | slef | ah! I see! |
| 18:26 | Awkward position. | |
| 18:27 | SJeffery | We are a future customer of said company, so I guess I have to prevent myself from reading it then! |
| 18:27 | slef | I'm still mopping up after falling out with kados, like 2 or 3 years ago. |
| 18:27 | SJeffery: future customer? If you've not signed, there's time to shop around, surely? | |
| 18:28 | SJeffery | *shrug* Not really up to me. |
| 18:31 | wizzyrea | updated install docs, please look them over? http://pastebin.com/m8mZ5SPt |
| 18:31 | slef | such a shame, but fairly common |
| 18:31 | jcamins | slef: I think you mean "very." |
| 18:31 | slef | jcamins: very common? |
| 18:31 | wizzyrea: looking. | |
| 18:32 | jcamins | If that was in response to "not really up to me," yes, I think the adverb you want is "very" common. |
| 18:32 | slef | wizzyrea: "1.1 Install Debian Lenny via Businesscard CD" needs some hint on what installation options/tasks to choose. |
| 18:32 | jcamins | wizzyrea: wait, check with chris about the IndexData repos. |
| 18:33 | wizzyrea | didn't touch any of that stuff, what specifically would you like to address? |
| 18:33 | (slef) | |
| 18:33 | slef | wizzyrea: 1.2 should use wget -O- http://ftp.indexdata.dk/debian/indexdata.asc | sudo apt-key add - (avoids leaving indexdata.asc junk lying around) |
| 18:33 | sekjal | SJeffery: we'll do what we can to help, but if they wind up putting you in something not-Koha, there'll only be so much we can do |
| 18:33 | slef | wizzyrea: which bit should I be looking at then? |
| 18:33 | jcamins | Yesterday chris said something about it not being necessary on the latest versions. |
| 18:33 | wizzyrea | sorry, I just mean I didn't change that part from the original |
| 18:33 | what do you want it to say? | |
| 18:35 | gmcharlt | jcamins: chris: not sure about that - I don't see idzebra in the regular Debian package search |
| 18:35 | slef | wizzyrea: without installing lenny from a businesscard CD, I don't know what it should say, sorry :-/ |
| 18:35 | http://packages.debian.org/idzebra - it's in squeeze but not lenny | |
| 18:35 | or it should be in squeeze | |
| 18:36 | all hail the release managers | |
| 18:36 | they control the horizontal | |
| 18:36 | wizzyrea | right, these are for lenny (since it's stable) |
| 18:36 | jcamins | gmcharlt: oh, then maybe it was just for the latest version of Ubuntu. |
| 18:36 | wizzyrea | i'd imagine we'd have a different install_misc/apt-get-debian-squeeze.sh when the time comes |
| 18:37 | SJeffery | sekjal: Nah, worst case scenerio is they force us to use SharePoint for our library catalog as "it can do everything we need." *facepalm* |
| 18:37 | wizzyrea | >.< |
| 18:37 | sekjal | oh dear. |
| 18:37 | slef | no, we'll nuke apt-get-debian-*sh from orbit when the time comes :) |
| 18:38 | wizzyrea | cool. |
| 18:38 | slef | SJeffery: please don't curse. SharePoint indeed. |
| 18:38 | jcamins | wizzyrea: much improved! |
| 18:39 | slef | those install docs - is there a reason why we use cpan instead of deb-make-perl in 1.5? That's another thing in my todo... |
| 18:39 | sekjal | alright, lunch is done. time to enjoy some of this lovely fall day. take care, all! |
| 18:40 | slef | lovely? fall? day?? |
| 18:40 | wizzyrea | the reason is that my goal wasn't to change *how* it works, just to make sure that they are at least a little less cryptic. :) |
| 18:41 | slef | wizzyrea: ok, I'm a bad person to look as I didn't think they were too cryptic before. Buggy other ways. |
| 18:41 | jcamins: I'm not sure about "very". Can we agree on "too"? | |
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| 18:41 | jcamins | slef: sure. |
| 18:42 | wizzyrea | They weren't cryptic to sysadmins, but most librarians aren't sysadmins. |
| 18:42 | and the ones that are, won't have any more trouble with these than they did with the old ones. | |
| 18:43 | jcamins | Although the instructions still make the assumption that the person following the instructions will be able to deal with the text editor with crontab -e. |
| 18:43 | wizzyrea | well, that's not really up to me, actually, that's why I asked for a double check |
| 18:43 | jcamins | (not that I'm proposing an alternative, just commenting) |
| 18:43 | (I think the updated instructions are great) | |
| 18:43 | wizzyrea | true, how best to address that though? |
| 18:43 | (I like commentary) | |
| 18:44 | (and I won't be insulted, I promise) | |
| 18:44 | jcamins | My preferred solution is banging my head against the desk until I forget about the problem, but if everyone here did that, there wouldn't be any Koha anymore. |
| 18:44 | ;) | |
| 18:44 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 18:44 | fair enough. | |
| 18:45 | slef | fun facts: 20% of Brits are members of co-ops. In the USA, it's 25%. NZ 40% |
| 18:45 | gmcharlt | jcamins: you're correct about Ubuntu: http://packages.ubuntu.com/sea[…]words=idzebra-2.0 |
| 18:45 | jcamins | I guess looking ahead to 3.4, Makefile.PL should generate a default crontab which can be installed with crontab $FILE |
| 18:46 | Yeah, cait was installing Koha on Ubuntu over the weekend, and we got stuck because the wrong version of yaz was in the IndexData repository. | |
| 18:47 | slef | Quebec wins with 70%. For countries, Finland with 62%. |
| 18:52 | jcamins | Do we have any "Koha database structure for dummies" page? |
| 18:52 | wizzyrea | only the schema from git really |
| 18:53 | jcamins | That's what I thought. |
| 18:53 | slef | jcamins: we have chris |
| 18:54 | and the rest of us know bits | |
| 18:54 | wizzyrea | yikes, we have a serious bus problem. |
| 18:54 | slef | and can figure things out from the source |
| 18:54 | * jcamins | adds writing "Koha database structures for report writers" to his to-do list. |
| 18:54 | wizzyrea | even worse since he's always around buses! |
| 18:54 | nengard | wasn't someone going to add notes to those tables so that we knew what each one was for? |
| 18:54 | slef | Was tajoli going to do that |
| 18:54 | ? | |
| 18:55 | nengard: can you find it or shall I? | |
| 18:55 | chris | There is a schema on thw wiki |
| 18:55 | slef | chris: current? |
| 18:55 | chris: and with regeneration instructions? | |
| 18:55 | nengard | slef i can find it |
| 18:55 | jcamins | It says it's for 3.0.3. |
| 18:55 | nengard | ---------- Forwarded message ---------- |
| 18:55 | From: Linda Culberson <lculbermdah.state.ms.us> |
|
| 18:55 | Date: Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:20 PM | |
| 18:55 | Subject: Re: [Koha] Koha Cataloging Archives | |
| 18:55 | To: | |
| 18:56 | Cc: koha <kohalists.katipo.co.nz> |
|
| 18:56 | There are three standards central to archival description: DACS | |
| 18:56 | (Describing Archives: A Content Standard), MARC, and Encoded Archival | |
| 18:56 | Description (EAD). Koha can handle 2 out of three, plus allow us to | |
| 18:56 | track in-house use of our materials and link to digitized copies of the | |
| 18:56 | chris | Eek |
| 18:56 | nengard | originals where they exist. So, I like Koha. |
| 18:56 | The real problem we have with Koha is the lack of analytic record | |
| 18:56 | support ( http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ic_Record_support ) | |
| 18:56 | slef | nengard: ??? |
| 18:56 | nengard | because many of our collections have item-level descriptions which are |
| 18:56 | jcamins | Oh, wait, never mind. |
| 18:56 | nengard | handled as analytics. We also have a number of journals which have |
| 18:56 | analytic records for specific articles in certain issues and we need to | |
| 18:56 | be able to tie the analytic record to the particular issue of the | |
| 18:56 | slef | where's an op when we need one? |
| 18:56 | chris | Paste fail |
| 18:56 | nengard | serial's record. |
| 18:56 | Another problem is that Koha seems to only allow for the borrower to | |
| 18:56 | make only one hold request per title - a real problem with serials (and | |
| 18:56 | collections with linked item level analytical records) - because a | |
| 18:56 | person may really want to see the Spring and Fall issues of 1994 and the | |
| 18:56 | SJeffery | Oh god, not the analytic discussion again. |
| 18:56 | nengard | Summer issue of 1995 of a serial. Hopefully, I'm wrong about this being |
| 18:56 | a problem and somebody can tell me how to do this? | |
| 18:56 | On a personal note, I would be very interested in sharing ideas with | |
| 18:56 | nengard was kicked by chris: nengard | |
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| 18:56 | nengard | other archives or libraries with archival materials about how to best |
| 18:56 | use Koha for archival collections. | |
| 18:56 | Thanks for asking, Nicole! | |
| 18:56 | chris | Gah |
| 18:56 | nengard | Linda |
| 18:56 | slef | auto-rejoin fail |
| 18:56 | nengard was kicked by wizzyrea: nengard | |
| 18:56 | nengard | oops |
| 18:56 | so sorry!!! | |
| 18:57 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_for_3.4_Proposal | |
| 18:57 | i thought i copied th URL and didn't | |
| 18:57 | chris | Hehe remove the ban now :) |
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| 18:57 | nengard | what happened? |
| 18:57 | wizzyrea | I banned you! |
| 18:57 | magnus | heh, would love to see te expression on nengards face now... ;-) |
| 18:57 | trea | ?!?!?! |
| 18:57 | slef | nengard: you need a better client that doesn't send lines until you *press* enter. |
| 18:58 | nengard | nengard is making a confused face |
| 18:58 | wizzyrea | but I still love you |
| 18:58 | nengard | slef - i did hit enter |
| 18:58 | i was moving to fast for myself | |
| 18:58 | wizzyrea | I was trying to stop the paste speeeeew. |
| 18:58 | nengard | hehe |
| 18:58 | magnus | wizzyrea: we all do! ;-) |
| 18:58 | slef | ah right, PEBCAK |
| 18:58 | SJeffery | I think we need to open #kohanalytics or something:D |
| 18:58 | chris | Hehe |
| 18:58 | slef | SJeffery: no, let's make an email list. |
| 18:58 | SJeffery: I think we should abbreviate it to 8 characters to reduce typing. | |
| 18:59 | SJeffery: koha-anallists.koha-community... anyone? |
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| 18:59 | wizzyrea | ROFL |
| 18:59 | slef | 8 letters I mean |
| 18:59 | SJeffery | Nah, e-mail is so not web 2.0-ish. We need to create some sort of Twitter-mashup-wiki-Friendster kind of thing. |
| 18:59 | nengard | so what i meant to paste was the url to the db documentation spec: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_for_3.4_Proposal |
| 18:59 | slef | SJeffery: let's start using the hashtag #kohaAnal |
| 18:59 | SJeffery | Slef: I think that name would be entirely appropriate. |
| 18:59 | trea | koha.am.not.a.lawyer |
| 18:59 | gmcharlt | SJeffery: #koha-linky-recs ? |
| 19:00 | wizzyrea | oh that made me laugh a lot |
| 19:00 | slef | gmcharlt: #kohaaaaaargh for PTFS blog posts? |
| 19:00 | jcamins | The problem with schema diagrams is that they only help if you know a fair amount about RDBMSes. |
| 19:00 | wizzyrea | @quote add slef: #kohaaaaargh for PTFS blog posts? |
| 19:00 | munin | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #99 added. |
| 19:01 | chris | Ask away jcamins |
| 19:01 | Then write it down | |
| 19:01 | So I don't have to remember it :) | |
| 19:02 | jcamins | chris: the problem is that I understand it, and I'm trying to document how to deal with reports for people who don't understand it. |
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| 19:02 | chris | gmcharlt knows at least as much as me too |
| 19:02 | jcamins | I mean, I don't understand *everything*, but I understand the basics. |
| 19:02 | chris | Yeah that's a tricky problem |
| 19:03 | slef | gtg, bbl |
| 19:03 | SJeffery | Solution: Make the reports function a lot easier to use so less has to be documented? |
| 19:03 | slef | SJeffery: how do you document a swiss army chainsaw? |
| 19:03 | jcamins | SJeffery: that's a good idea. Think it'll be done by October 15? ;) |
| 19:04 | SJeffery | Sure! I will just have my small army of trained gorillas work on it (I tried monkeys, but there was far too much flinging going on that was starting to impact productivity). |
| 19:05 | Same problem with using interns. | |
| 19:06 | chris | I hope I have more success with the 2 working on koha at catalyst |
| 19:06 | * chris | doesn't want flinging |
| 19:06 | jcamins | Our interns are fantastic. |
| 19:07 | SJeffery | Oh god that reminds me I have a long-term temp starting next month *shudder* |
| 19:07 | jcamins | Of course, I have the good sense not to ask them to overhaul any swiss army chainsaws. |
| 19:07 | ;) | |
| 19:07 | chris | I'm sure they will be fine, nice ppl and smart |
| 19:08 | nengard | k - time to head out - be back later |
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| 19:11 | chris | Oh well one of them is overhauling the whole templating system |
| 19:12 | jcamins | Koha's other swiss army chainsaw. |
| 19:12 | chris | :) |
| 19:12 | jcamins | (I really like that phrase) |
| 19:19 | Time to close up. | |
| 19:19 | Good night, #koha | |
| 19:20 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_a | |
| 19:20 | chris | Cya |
| 19:21 | Ok my stop bbiab | |
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| 19:31 | chris | back |
| 19:32 | wizzyrea | @quote add chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw |
| 19:32 | munin | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #100 added. |
| 19:32 | wizzyrea | woot I got quote 100! |
| 19:32 | @quote random | |
| 19:32 | munin | wizzyrea: Quote #37: "< nelsonf> I'm pretty sure I deleted this one in the name of being thorough..." (added by chris at 07:27 PM, October 04, 2009) |
| 19:33 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 19:33 | munin | wizzyrea: Quote #69: "<schuster> Now if I could only figure out how to control those daemons... or at least the ones in my head..." (added by jwagner at 10:02 AM, March 17, 2010) |
| 19:33 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 19:33 | munin | wizzyrea: Quote #70: "<wizzyrea> owen: I have a jquery... um... query for you" (added by jdavidb at 10:30 AM, April 01, 2010) |
| 19:33 | wizzyrea | facepalm. |
| 19:33 | @quote random | |
| 19:33 | munin | wizzyrea: Quote #80: "<robin> heh thanks, that makes me seem a lot more edumacated :)" (added by gmcharlt at 09:54 PM, June 23, 2010) |
| 19:34 | chris | http://planet.debian.net/ |
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| 19:46 | ebegin | Does koha enforces the upper and lower age limit based on the date of a user date of birth? |
| 19:47 | chris | not really no |
| 19:47 | its more informational | |
| 19:47 | ebegin | ok, that what I thought. |
| 19:50 | thanks chris! | |
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| 20:07 | wizzyrea | @later tell nengard I sent you that doc patch to look over (INSTALL.debian) plz let me know if it applies ok for you. |
| 20:07 | munin | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:07 | wizzyrea | thks munin. |
| 20:15 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 20:15 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 24.7�C (1:24 PM PDT on October 11, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:15 | brendan | wow hot day again |
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| 20:23 | slef | back |
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| 20:40 | chris | much nicer day here today than yesterday too |
| 20:40 | @wunder wellington nz | |
| 20:40 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on October 12, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.54 in 1034 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:42 | davi left #koha | |
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| 20:59 | wizzyrea | @wunder lawrence ks |
| 20:59 | munin | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 17.4�C (4:08 PM CDT on October 11, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Rising). |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | rainy, not chilly tho |
| 21:00 | chris | it was really cold yesterday |
| 21:00 | but not bad at all today | |
| 21:00 | wizzyrea | you are saving the perfect weather for when we get there, right? ;) |
| 21:00 | chris | heres hoping |
| 21:00 | actually today is great sightseeing weather | |
| 21:00 | its clear, and not too hot, so you can walk lots | |
| 21:01 | wizzyrea | what do you classify as hot? |
| 21:01 | in wellington? | |
| 21:01 | chris | above 24 |
| 21:01 | 30 is retarded | |
| 21:01 | 40 is wtf | |
| 21:01 | wizzyrea | oooo |
| 21:01 | chris | 20-24 is nice |
| 21:01 | wizzyrea | 75? really? |
| 21:01 | chris | yeah |
| 21:01 | * wizzyrea | squees |
| 21:02 | wizzyrea | that's like the most perfectly perfect day you'll ever have in kansas |
| 21:02 | chris | we will most likely have 13-18 |
| 21:02 | somewhere round that | |
| 21:02 | for kohacon | |
| 21:02 | january/feb are the hot months | |
| 21:03 | johnindep left #koha | |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | it would definitely be a trip to spend xmas on the beach |
| 21:04 | better than being snowed in though | |
| 21:05 | chris | :) |
| 21:06 | * wizzyrea | has 1st hand experience of being snowed in on xmas day... in a house not her own |
| 21:06 | chris | ive only had one winter xmas |
| 21:06 | in my whole life | |
| 21:10 | slef | of all the AAF moves... when did keyring.debian.org stop sync'ing with pgp.net? |
| 21:11 | chris | it did? |
| 21:11 | oh yeah, we should do keysigning at kohacon | |
| 21:11 | at least i should get you to sign mine | |
| 21:12 | slef | apparently - it seems I can't vote because the key loaded into the vote has an old expiry time :-/ |
| 21:12 | chris | stink |
| 21:12 | slef | I've checked and it was right on pgp.net... it just didn't reach debian.org somehow. |
| 21:13 | Yeah, this'll be the second time I'll've seen you... | |
| 21:13 | chris | as long as i look the same :) |
| 21:13 | russ will be around too | |
| 21:14 | * gmcharlt | thinks of a new activity for KohaCon - the Chris Cormack look-alike contest ;) |
| 21:15 | russ | gmcharlt: most of use will need stilts then |
| 21:15 | wizzyrea | is that like the madame curie lookalike contest? |
| 21:16 | only had 5 entries, and they were all guys. | |
| 21:16 | russ | s/use/us |
| 21:20 | chris | ok meeting time |
| 21:20 | cya in a sec russ | |
| 21:20 | russ | cool |
| 21:21 | Nate left #koha | |
| 21:34 | slef | others might like this cartoon posted during a discussion of the rubbish online video services of BBC and other UK Public Service Broadcasters http://xkcd.com/676/ |
| 21:46 | gmcharlt | slef: BBC online video? I only wish this benighted colonial could get access to it |
| 21:48 | there's a (admittedly) small subset of USians who would happily pay the UK TV tax to get access | |
| 21:48 | SJeffery | Very small :) |
| 21:49 | slef | gmcharlt: I wish this Englishman could get access to all of it :-/ Rubbishy Flash apps. |
| 21:50 | gmcharlt: I expect if someone bought a UK server and enough bandwidth, they could fool the BBC. | |
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| 22:10 | slef | I couldn't resist it. Just commented on nengard's blog again. |
| 22:20 | wasabi | slef: I couldn't resist either. Just commented on chris.c's email to the list re: nicole |
| 22:25 | chris | back |
| 22:29 | slef++ | |
| 22:29 | wasabi++ | |
| 22:29 | can we make i support nicole tshirts? | |
| 22:30 | LBA | Free Nicole! |
| 22:30 | brendan | slef - I like the "support Nicole" motto - interesting |
| 22:30 | wasabi | 'all ur KOHA belong teh us' |
| 22:31 | thats my current fav. | |
| 22:32 | slef | chris: if you do, please put the egg logo on them, else it'll be very abstract. |
| 22:32 | chris | maybe the kohacon10 logo? |
| 22:34 | wasabi | http://www.resurrectionsong.co[…]uploads/pedro.jpg |
| 22:35 | i'll make some sweet badges! | |
| 22:35 | chris | ohhhh good idea |
| 22:35 | from the badge shop | |
| 22:36 | * brendan | is waiting for the "social network" like movie - here |
| 22:36 | wasabi | oooh, the nerds are getting crafty, oooooh so scared!!! |
| 22:37 | chris | well, the person who started craft2.0 is coming to the conference |
| 22:37 | http://www.craft2.org/blog/ | |
| 22:38 | richard is now known as rich-away | |
| 22:38 | wasabi | w0w, thats impressive!!! |
| 22:41 | hmmm, a bunch of different badges would be sweet, with a selection of sassy phrases | |
| 22:41 | 'its Koha, not KOHA, ok?' | |
| 22:43 | slef | @quote random |
| 22:43 | munin | slef: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 12:04 PM, June 03, 2009) |
| 22:43 | slef | @quote random |
| 22:43 | munin | slef: Quote #15: "<|Lupin|>ricardo: you are like the Portuguese Hitchcock!!" (added by wizzyrea at 10:58 AM, July 10, 2009) |
| 22:43 | chris | that one is a good one :) |
| 22:44 | slef | oh but was wasabi going for a range of sly digs? |
| 22:44 | (have PTFS upcased Koha in their new logo?) | |
| 22:44 | chris | @quote show 95 |
| 22:44 | munin | chris: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "show" in it. Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin. |
| 22:44 | chris | @quote get 95 |
| 22:44 | munin | chris: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 05:36 PM, October 06, 2010) |
| 22:44 | slef | @quote 95 |
| 22:44 | munin | slef: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "95" in it. Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin. |
| 22:44 | chris | yeah they have |
| 22:45 | on the new liblime site | |
| 22:45 | wasabi | @quote show 96 |
| 22:45 | munin | wasabi: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "show" in it. Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin. |
| 22:45 | slef | @quote get 96 |
| 22:45 | munin | slef: Quote #96: "< owen> If your vendor calls it KOHA you know it's not really Koha." (added by wasabi at 01:56 AM, October 08, 2010) |
| 22:45 | slef | hehe |
| 22:47 | wasabi | yeah, its ptfs/liblimes new dis-information attempt on the project |
| 22:48 | ... related to a trademark they 'acquired' in the USA, i think? | |
| 22:50 | chris | their trademark attempt in NZ was for KOHA too |
| 22:50 | SJeffery left #koha | |
| 22:52 | wasabi | ok, back to work.... |
| 22:58 | slef | damn! Just as I find http://lwn.net/Articles/386284/ SJeffery leaves |
| 22:58 | @later tell SJeffery http://lwn.net/Articles/386284/ might include a worthwhile independent summary of the history | |
| 22:58 | munin | slef: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:41 | slef | chris: maybe me+you+paul_p+??? should get badges saying "I was Koha Release Manager before LibLime even existed" |
| 23:42 | chris | hehe |
| 23:43 | paul joined #koha | |
| 23:44 | chris | hi paul |
| 23:44 | paul | hey, that was fast |
| 23:44 | chris | was just chatting with mj in the UK .. who is still awake at this crazy hour |
| 23:45 | paul | for sure, very late |
| 23:45 | figured it was time to try this out again, had kinda forgotten | |
| 23:48 | slef | erm, which paul is that? |
| 23:48 | chris: I'm still waiting for an export to complete, would you believe. | |
| 23:49 | I think I will have to bg and disown it. | |
| 23:49 | chris | thats paul from hauraki district libraries |
| 23:49 | the newest group of public libraries running koha in nz | |
| 23:50 | paul | that's me, we been live 2 weeks now |
| 23:50 | chris | http://library.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/ |
| 23:50 | slef | cool, congratulations |
| 23:51 | paul | thanks - trying to adjust to life without chris holding our hand |
| 23:52 | slef | learn how to find stuff our yourself if you can... it's the best investment |
| 23:54 | paul | so chris keeps reminding me |
| 23:54 | we'll get there, just need some time to get how it all works straight in our heads |
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