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| 00:40 | wasabi | lol, PTFS fail... |
| 00:40 | ... remind me not to vote for that one during the meeting :) | |
| 00:41 | jo | :) |
| 00:41 | wasabi | 40%, so funny |
| 00:41 | jo | Its good we know their terms now though. |
| 00:42 | would love to know they paid for that tiny wee domain name that - and who would have thought it be perceived to have sooo much negotiating value | |
| 00:45 | wasabi | oh well, they make the 'approach they favour' really unattractive to participants |
| 00:45 | so they shoot that option in the foot, right there... | |
| 00:46 | jo | it may appeal to some though, and thats cool. At least we have something from them to discuss. |
| 00:46 | wasabi | yep, all good |
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| 01:57 | jcamins_a | Is the new templating system easier to work with? |
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| 01:58 | robin | jcamins: do you mean the HTML template change for 3.4? |
| 01:58 | jcamins | Right, sorry. |
| 01:58 | robin | because if so: yes is the short answer. |
| 01:58 | yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees is the long answer. | |
| 01:58 | jcamins | Good. |
| 01:59 | chris | :) |
| 01:59 | if you wanna get a jump on it | |
| 01:59 | http://template-toolkit.org/ | |
| 01:59 | jcamins | Yeah, I was just looking at that. |
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| 02:02 | chris | we used to have a marc free interface up until 2.2.x |
| 02:02 | jcamins | I will write RFCs when I'm coherent, but the current template system scares me. ;) |
| 02:02 | chris | we had simple, and non simple |
| 02:02 | id love to have it back | |
| 02:03 | jcamins | Yeah, I think it may be a requirement for me- clients should be able to catalog their own books if they so desire. |
| 02:04 | chris | exactly |
| 02:04 | we should be able to hide all the gory stuff from them | |
| 02:04 | jcamins | Plus, not all my interns know MARC, and not all my interns should need to know MARC. |
| 02:05 | chris | *nod* |
| 02:05 | * richard | wonders if anyone really needs to know MARC or if they just have to know it |
| 02:06 | jcamins | Well, according to thd, the original plan was that no one would work directly with MARC. |
| 02:06 | I think it was thd. | |
| 02:06 | chris | yup hence its MARC not HARC |
| 02:07 | jcamins | HURC, actually. ;) |
| 02:07 | chris | :) |
| 02:07 | jcamins | ... |
| 02:07 | chris | true |
| 02:07 | jcamins | That is rather apt, isn't it? |
| 02:07 | chris | HURT maybe |
| 02:07 | :) | |
| 02:08 | jcamins | Yesterday I was training one of my interns on cataloging. |
| 02:09 | "Yes, exactly right. Except we also need to note the series. In two places. Oh, did I mention that we need a genre heading? Make sure your 008 is all filled in..." | |
| 02:09 | chris | heh |
| 02:11 | jcamins | We catalogers really don't appreciate how staggeringly complex and byzantine MARC is. |
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| 02:54 | Amit | heya chris |
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| 04:54 | jo | Chris: |
| 04:55 | Big article in NZ herald today on Koha pg 18. | |
| 05:02 | Amit | heya jo |
| 05:02 | darling | jo, hey, chris and robin are downstairs w/the beera |
| 05:02 | beers | |
| 05:03 | Amit | https://www.packtpub.com/koha-[…]ement-system/book |
| 05:05 | darling | I just read the liblime foundation proposal -- is it just me or is that not insanely ballsy to claim they're the centre of the universe and deserve a large permanent slice? |
| 05:05 | anyway, beers | |
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| 05:30 | wasabi | Amit: is there a free version of the ebook planned? |
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| 13:12 | jcamins | Does AUR use a vendor fork of Koha? |
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| 13:18 | owen | jcamins: It certainly looks like a souped-up OPAC |
| 13:18 | jcamins | Yeah, it's impressive. |
| 13:18 | owen | Looks like they've created their own template |
| 13:18 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 13:19 | owen | And when doing so removed the meta tag indicating their Koha version |
| 13:20 | Oh wait, it isn't even a 3.x version. It's a 2.x version! | |
| 13:20 | http://www.galileo.aur.it/cgi-[…]ha/opac-search.pl | |
| 13:21 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 13:21 | Well, I guess that explains why it looks so different! | |
| 13:21 | How can you tell what version it is? I'm looking in the source, and I don't see any indication at all. | |
| 13:22 | owen | There isn't. I just recognize the advanced search page |
| 13:22 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 13:22 | owen | It's based on a template I designed |
| 13:22 | sekjal | yeah, the template is named 'npl', I see from the source code |
| 13:22 | owen | Yup. :) |
| 13:23 | circa 2003 | |
| 13:23 | sekjal | wow... librarianship wasn't even on my radar back then, let alone working with open source software |
| 13:23 | amazing how time works, sometimes | |
| 13:24 | jcamins | 7 years ago I thought I would become a computer scientist. |
| 13:25 | * jcamins | pauses to think about that statement, and decides to ignore where it was made ;) |
| 13:26 | * owen | wonders if those heavily customized templates are part of the reason AUR hasn't upgraded |
| 13:26 | jcamins | Yeah, I was thinking that. |
| 13:28 | Well, this serves to prove my claim that it's important that local changes should be incorporated into HEAD to avoid upgrade problems. | |
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| 14:05 | reva | hi all, good morning; I am coming up with an error 404 when I try to look at an bib record from the log. Is that the normal way it displays deleted records? |
| 14:07 | jcamins | reva: Yes. |
| 14:07 | Once they have been deleted, they can't be displayed. | |
| 14:08 | reva | jcamins: understood: so a 404 error is for deleted bib records. So do the log entries stay on forever?:) |
| 14:09 | * owen | has "manage deleted records/items feature" on his wish list |
| 14:10 | reva | owen: thanks; I was not searching for them as a regular search; only clicking the bib no. shown in the log for the deleted item. (just to clarify.) |
| 14:11 | I meant click the link for the deleted BIB record number shown in the log. | |
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| 14:15 | cait | hi #koha |
| 14:24 | reva | is there any way to change the display constant for 700, 710 and 711 to Related Authors in the OPAC display constant? Right now it says Authors in the OPAC. but Related Authors in staff side. |
| 14:26 | cait | reva: not in the configuration, file a bug report about the difference |
| 14:27 | reva | cait: hi, and thanks. How do I file the bug report? (May be it is alright in 3.2?) |
| 14:31 | cait: when I went into the MARC structure subfield edit, there is a OPAC name display. I do not know what that is for because it is different from Authors which is what I see in OPAC (in fact it says for example for the 700, Personal Name in the subfield edit). | |
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| 14:35 | reva | Ok, I have a record and it does not have main entry, only a 710 (Corporate Author) entry. When I look at it in staff side, it says Additional Authors, but on the OPAC it puts it with the title combined with the word "by". |
| 14:36 | how does that situation work in 3.2? | |
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| 14:41 | cait | reva: sorry, I am on a train - not the best internet connection here |
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| 14:48 | ivanc | hallo #koha |
| 14:51 | reva | ok, cait: I will wait for you to get in. But never mind about the Text to display in OPAC in the subfield edit, it only affects the expanded view label in OPAC. But the problem with it treating an Added Author (in the 700, 710 and 711) with a "by" after the Title (when there is no Main Entry) still is a problem. |
| 14:53 | cait | reva: I think you should write up what is wrong and file a bug report |
| 14:53 | * chris_n | actually makes work available to the community *before* it is applied to his production system... |
| 14:53 | chris_n | :-) |
| 14:54 | cait | hi chris_n - did I mis something? |
| 14:54 | reva: no way to get into my installations from here - wrong ip | |
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| 15:02 | cait | ok, will arrive soon |
| 15:02 | packing together - have a nice weekend everyone | |
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| 15:02 | owen | You've been falling down on the job lately man |
| 15:03 | * owen | reminds logbot that blackouts are a sign of alcoholism |
| 15:06 | chris_n | hdl: I've another mail to patches@... in the mail-jail |
| 15:06 | * chris_n | looks around for a "Get out of jail free" card |
| 15:06 | hdl | chris_n: I released one this morning |
| 15:06 | chris_n | I sent one about 12 mins ago |
| 15:08 | hdl | Message has implicit destination |
| 15:08 | here is the reason | |
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| 15:08 | chris_n | which means? |
| 15:08 | should I cc it to patches? | |
| 15:12 | hdl: possibly a mailman misconfiguration? | |
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| 15:12 | chris_n | we must use patcheslists.koha-community.org |
| 15:12 | rather than patcheskoha-community.org |
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| 15:12 | but maybe mailman expects to see patcheskoha-community.org |
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| 15:12 | just a guess from google | |
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| 15:16 | rhcl | munin: Bug 3482 |
| 15:16 | munin | rhcl: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3482 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Print overdue and hold notices for patrons without email addresses |
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| 15:32 | jcamins | Hm. Does anyone know what the Chrome auto-complete is doing in the cataloging module? |
| 15:32 | owen | ? |
| 15:34 | Can you elaborate jcamins ? | |
| 15:34 | jcamins | I've been entering "Near Eastern History" in 852a. Strangely, if I use the auto-complete, it puts "Near Eastern History" not just in that field, but also in 100c. |
| 15:34 | (I'm checking to see if it changes anything else, too) | |
| 15:35 | 810c. | |
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| 15:35 | jcamins | Wait, _every_ subfield c. |
| 15:35 | And 856n. | |
| 15:36 | Not 700c. | |
| 15:36 | 720a has something completely different. | |
| 15:37 | My conclusion is that I should not use auto-complete, but it's really kind of weird. | |
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| 15:38 | jcamins | And 533f has something that looks like it came from a 245c. |
| 15:39 | 490a has the same thing, and 440p has what looks like a publisher from 260b. | |
| 15:40 | I'm just going to go ahead and disable auto-fill. | |
| 15:41 | @monologue | |
| 15:41 | munin | jcamins: Your current monologue is at least 12 lines long. |
| 15:45 | jcamins | I think I've scared everyone away. :( |
| 15:45 | * jwagner | peers out from under the table. Is it safe yet? |
| 15:45 | * jcamins | puts a bowl of cookies out in a very visible location to entice people out from under the table |
| 15:45 | jwagner | Mmmmmmmmmmm |
| 15:46 | owen | Man, if only I had as many real cookies as are offered in #koha |
| 15:46 | jwagner | Then we'd all have to change the channel from #koha to #weightwatchers |
| 15:48 | rhcl | Somebody needs to invent sugar-free, fat-free, carb-free, calorie-free chocolate chip cookies that taste reallly really good. |
| 15:51 | * jwagner | thinks this is a contradiction in terms |
| 15:51 | rhcl | sadly yes |
| 15:52 | owen | Can we talk about something else? Lunch is still an hour away! |
| 15:53 | jwagner | it's all jcamins's fault! The rest of us are INNOCENT, I say!!! |
| 15:53 | rhcl | We can "fudge" it to 30 minutes probably. |
| 15:53 | * jwagner | pretends I didn't hear that.... |
| 15:53 | owen | That really takes the cake |
| 15:55 | jcamins | :) |
| 15:56 | jwagner | rhcl is just trying to curry favor with jcamins :-) |
| 15:56 | owen | Can we sandwich some useful conversation in with these bad puns? |
| 15:57 | jwagner | nah. It's Friday. Brains don't work on Fridays.... |
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| 16:02 | jcamins | I'd be too chicken to try. |
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| 16:08 | owen | Hi wizzyrea |
| 16:08 | and wizzyrea_ | |
| 16:10 | * chris_n | observes all of the corn-y remarks in the back log |
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| 16:10 | jwagner | chris_n, logbot went missing in action, so you missed some of them. I'm sure you're heartbroken :-) |
| 16:11 | owen | Orange you glad you read back chris_n ? |
| 16:12 | jcamins | If you wanted, I'm sure one of us with it still in the scroll-back could copy them in to give you a taste. ;) |
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| 16:12 | chris_n | hot-dog, you bet I am |
| 16:12 | wizzyrea_ | ... i'm sad that I'm missing this conversation |
| 16:12 | :) | |
| 16:13 | chris_n | wizzyrea_: !! |
| 16:13 | did you get my message? | |
| 16:13 | I fixed your label bugs | |
| 16:13 | wizzyrea_ | about the patches to the labels? |
| 16:13 | jwagner | wizzyrea_, folks are just hamming it up as usual |
| 16:13 | jcamins | wizzyrea_: just sad, or are you also a bit cheesed? |
| 16:13 | wizzyrea_ | I saw! |
| 16:14 | owen | she's a tough cookie, she can handle it |
| 16:14 | wizzyrea_ | I was so happy |
| 16:14 | I will test them first thing next week, I"m out of the office today | |
| 16:14 | owen | Pleased as punch you might say |
| 16:14 | chris_n | wizzyrea_: have you noticed any problems with text wrapping on labels? |
| 16:14 | wizzyrea_ | hm. In what context? |
| 16:15 | chris_n | lines overrunning the right edge of the label |
| 16:15 | wizzyrea_ | call number splitting works like a peach |
| 16:15 | only when we've got the font too big, and it's the only word on the line | |
| 16:15 | chris_n | ahh... you're not printing circ labels then? |
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| 16:16 | chris_n | we put the title of the book on our circ labels and had some problems, so I fixed up the wrap code a bit |
| 16:16 | wizzyrea_ | we only print labels for inside the book with titles/acqdate/barcode |
| 16:16 | I haven't noticed or had any complaints about the wrapping | |
| 16:16 | chris_n | ok |
| 16:16 | wizzyrea_ | but I am for improvements :) |
| 16:17 | chris_n | now I feel just peachy |
| 16:17 | don't want any lemons in the labels code | |
| 16:17 | owen | I'm glad you keep souping it up |
| 16:18 | rhcl | those are all poor 'fig'ures of speech. |
| 16:18 | jcamins | That labels code is just the apple of your eye, isn't it? |
| 16:18 | * wizzyrea_ | is figgling |
| 16:18 | wizzyrea_ | it certainly doesn't need any pruning |
| 16:19 | * chris_n | munches contentedly on a literal apple :-) |
| 16:19 | * wizzyrea_ | can't find any way to use "kumquat," is sad. |
| 16:19 | rhcl | but for chris, fixing the labels was a piece of pie. |
| 16:20 | chris_n | that's slick as a banana peal rchl |
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| 16:21 | wizzyrea_ | I wonder how we go about currying favor with the outliers in the koha user community |
| 16:21 | reva | Hi again, when I install 3.2 on Debian, can I configure the Reports to some other speradsheet program such as Open Officee (because I will not have access to my windows OS and it is right now configured to use Excel in my 3.0.6) |
| 16:22 | wizzyrea_ | it's ez, it's just CSV |
| 16:22 | it'll work with any spreadsheet program | |
| 16:22 | rhcl | It's pie, wizzy, easy as pie |
| 16:23 | <what was that movie?> | |
| 16:23 | reva | Ok, got it wizzyrea. What is CSV? I remember the expression "currying favors" to mean butter them up to extract something from the party curried up. Is that correct? |
| 16:24 | jcamins | Comma Separated Values. |
| 16:24 | It can be read by any spreadsheet program. | |
| 16:25 | owen | rhcl: 2010 |
| 16:25 | reva | Ok jcamins: I thought wizzyrea was telling me to change the spreadsheet program it points to from somewhere called CSV:). |
| 16:26 | wait, I will find it from the Admin module. | |
| 16:27 | rhcl | CSV is just a simple file format where values are separated by commas, which can be imported by nearly all spreadsheet programs. <I feel like I might be jumping from the frying pan into the fire here> |
| 16:27 | reva had a very dicey rendition of "currying favors" | |
| 16:32 | * jcamins | toasts to rhcl's mastery of the food bun |
| 16:32 | jcamins | Errr, pun. ;) |
| 16:32 | reva | rhcl: ok, to give away I am originally from Tamil Nadu, India from whose language the word curry was borrowed into English. I thought we learned the interpretation of the idiom in middle school. But what does the authorities say is the meaning? |
| 16:32 | wizzyrea_ | "seek favor by fawning or flattery;" |
| 16:33 | reva | just as I thought wizzyrea: :) |
| 16:33 | wizzyrea_ | oh chris_n, you're so smart, I could never be as smart as you. could anybody, really? (an example) |
| 16:33 | but also true >.> | |
| 16:33 | * chris_n | feels like he is dripping with butter :) |
| 16:34 | jwagner | Does that mean chris_n is toast??? |
| 16:34 | chris_n | HA! |
| 16:34 | * jcamins | thinks wizzyrea isn't fudging |
| 16:35 | * jwagner | just wishes the lunchtime food order would get delivered, so I can eat food instead of reading bad puns about it :-) |
| 16:35 | chris_n | burnt toast most likely |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea_ | he's certainly sweet, like cinnamon toast |
| 16:35 | jwagner | So long as he's not in a jam. |
| 16:35 | reva | ok, well I am one of the outliers willing to be curried up when I return to the US to test the cataloging aspects of Koha. You guys have helped us so much here already (and will continue to also in the future), the least I could do. |
| 16:35 | rhcl | reva: no no. You have it down perfectly! |
| 16:36 | reva: so where do you live? the US or India? | |
| 16:36 | reva | Ok, from the land of curry and CWG gone awry.:( |
| 16:36 | chris_n | getting out of a jam can be real sticky for someone who's already toast |
| 16:37 | reva | neither place, in Antigua and Barbuda. |
| 16:37 | rhcl | ah, ok |
| 16:37 | jwagner | chris_n, you'd have to be nuts to try. |
| 16:37 | reva | It is the one place on earth where the Indians have not opened a restaurant:( |
| 16:37 | rhcl | this conversation is getting too flakey, I'm off to scavenge for real-world food |
| 16:38 | reva: no, we don't have one here where I live either, and it would be most welcome | |
| 16:38 | reva | Ok, thanks for the info on CSV rhcl: |
| 16:38 | rhcl is now known as rhcl_rice | |
| 16:38 | reva | and where do you live rhcl:? |
| 16:39 | rhcl_rice | St. Joseph, MO, USA |
| 16:39 | * jwagner | cheers! The food has arrived. I am heading off to deal with it appropriately. |
| 16:39 | reva | that is surprising, they left out a place in the US of A. Bye for lunch:) |
| 16:49 | ok, anyone coming back from lunch can answer this for me?: When I have the Author Added Entry (700, 710, 711) in a record, the staff side display shows it as Additional Authors, but the OPAC shows just places it next to the Author Main Entry? | |
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| 16:50 | jcamins | reva: yes, that's what it does. |
| 16:51 | If you think that's a bug, you should file a bug report. | |
| 16:52 | reva | jcamins: To continue, this would not be bad except when a record has no Author Main Entry, but only an Author Added Entry (as happens when the a book contains essays by several authors , and an editor), in the OPAC Koha places it next to the title with the combining word "by". |
| 16:53 | how do I report the bug jcamins:? Maybe it got addressed in 3.2 which is what we will be installing. | |
| 16:53 | jcamins | http://bugs.koha-community.org/ |
| 16:53 | reva | jcamins: that is what cait also said, meaning it was probably a bug. |
| 16:53 | ok, I will report it. | |
| 16:54 | jcamins | I don't know, I would tend to think that the OPAC behavior is the correct behavior, and the staff behavior is unnecessarily confusing. |
| 16:54 | Patrons probably don't know what "author added entry" means. | |
| 16:54 | Staff quite possibly don't know, for that matter. | |
| 16:55 | reva | well jcamins: look at the scenario I have given. The display constant in the OPAC for Added Author Entries should say "Additional Authors". |
| 16:56 | jcamins | Regardless, the thing to do is report a bug. |
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| 16:56 | reva | not attach the 700, 710, 711 fields to the title with the word "by". |
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| 17:16 | CGI478 | Hello, I downloaded KOHA for wmvare, but I cannot login |
| 17:17 | what is the username and password for koha? | |
| 17:17 | jcamins_l | CGI478: there should be some sort of documentation on the site you downloaded the Virtual Machine from. |
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| 17:18 | jcamins | But I would guess it's kohaadmin:katikoan |
| 17:19 | CGI478 | No, login incorrect |
| 17:20 | jcamins | In that case I have no idea. |
| 17:20 | I'd look in the documentation from whoever created the Virtual Machine. | |
| 17:21 | CGI478 | yes, please. I cannot finf any docs on that project page |
| 17:21 | jcamins | By the way, the Koha website is http://koha-community.org/ |
| 17:22 | CGI478: is this the vm you downloaded? http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/928 | |
| 17:23 | Because that is very old. | |
| 17:24 | CGI478 | no, I downloaded from that site: http://kylehall.info/index.php[…]irtual-appliance/ |
| 17:25 | jcamins | That's newer, but still very old. |
| 17:25 | And I have no idea what the password would be. | |
| 17:25 | kohaadmin:kohaadmin? | |
| 17:25 | CGI478 | aha. what is you recommendations? |
| 17:25 | no, I tried it | |
| 17:26 | jcamins | http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/ |
| 17:26 | reva | CG1478, write Kyle Hall, he is very good about responding. He will tell you the password, actually there should be a "red me" in the virtual appliance itself that tell you the password. Hope that helps. |
| 17:26 | jcamins | The LiveCD is much more up-to-date. |
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| 17:26 | CGI478 | OK, thank you very much! |
| 17:27 | reva | I use the Koha virtual appliance Live CD from mizstik and it is the latest stable version 3.0.6. Kyle's is a little older. |
| 17:27 | CGI478 | OK, I will try that release. Thank you! |
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| 17:33 | jcamins | wizzyrea_: welcome back! |
| 17:33 | wizzyrea_ | hi :) |
| 17:33 | better connectivity now I hope | |
| 17:33 | jcamins | Why the underscore, by the way? |
| 17:33 | wizzyrea_ | I"m on my laptiop :) |
| 17:36 | * druthb | points at wizzyrea with one hand, and wizzyrea_ with the other. "There can be only one." |
| 17:36 | wizzyrea_ | lol |
| 17:37 | jcamins | Oh, I didn't realize there was a wizzyrea too. |
| 17:37 | wizzyrea_ | >.> |
| 17:37 | I'm in your dreams. | |
| 17:38 | druthb | two wizzies may be too much awesomeness in one place. |
| 17:38 | jcamins | Apparently tab auto-completes only nicks that have recently said something. |
| 17:43 | owen | Depends on your client I guess jcamins |
| 17:46 | jcamins | Right. With irssi. |
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| 18:03 | CGI356 | hello |
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| 19:18 | owen | Hi mib_xvh8o |
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| 19:25 | chris_n | why do I think of rabbit every time I see mibbit? |
| 19:32 | fcapo | hello, I have a problem. When I do a search in the catalog from the staff interface, everything works perfectly, but when I try the same search in the opac, all the accented characters in the results are broken. |
| 19:35 | Seems like a character encoding problem, but I made sure that everything is in utf-8. I even converted my marc files in utf-8 xml before importing then with bulkmarcdump.pl | |
| 19:36 | bulkmarcimport.pl*, sorry | |
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| 19:40 | lgw_wrt | having trouble with a fresh installation of harley on a fedora 10 installation |
| 19:40 | can't get past the maintenance page on port 8080 | |
| 19:42 | jcamins | lgw_wrt: I would suggest downloading Koha (Harley is a different product) from the Koha website at http://koha-community.org/ and trying that. |
| 19:42 | I don't think there's anyone here who uses Harley. | |
| 19:43 | lgw_wrt | harley was d/l'ed from the koha website. it's the newest version (not the community supported one yet). |
| 19:43 | jcamins | lgw_wrt: no, you downloaded it from koha.org. |
| 19:44 | The website for Koha is http://koha-community.org/ - unfortunately it's a little confusing. | |
| 19:44 | lgw_wrt | what is the difference? |
| 19:44 | jcamins | koha.org is only LibLime. |
| 19:45 | lgw_wrt | and koha-community? |
| 19:45 | jcamins | Everyone else. :) |
| 19:45 | So when you hear about a feature on the mailing list, usually it's in Koha, not Harley. | |
| 19:45 | chris | ah ha! |
| 19:45 | jcamins | chris: uh-oh. What? |
| 19:46 | chris | so check this out |
| 19:46 | lgw_wrt | so, this (http://downloads.ptfsinc.com/h[…]a-3.00.06.tar.gz) would be different from what's on koha-community? (that's not what i d/l'ed, but what's on the front page for downloads) |
| 19:47 | jcamins | I believe so, yes, although it looks like they updated the site a little bit since I last checked (it used to say the very latest version was 3.0.3). |
| 19:47 | But you probably want to use Koha 3.2. | |
| 19:48 | lgw_wrt | ok. i'll go remove it and retest. thanks |
| 19:48 | i'll probably be back | |
| 19:48 | chris | jcamins: http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]rdl%2Crtrn%3Dfish |
| 19:48 | jcamins | It says "3.02 beta," but we've been using it in production for months, and it works great. :) |
| 19:48 | chris | thats our current search |
| 19:48 | http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]rdl%2Crtrn%3Dfish | |
| 19:49 | now with relevance ranking actually turned on | |
| 19:49 | jcamins | Ooh! |
| 19:49 | chris | so i think the answer to amy is, its not doing relevance ranking by default |
| 19:49 | i have to do some more tests then ill have a patch for that | |
| 19:50 | unfortunately i also have 3 libraries going live on monday and have to migrate their circ data today, then fly there tomorrow, so i may run out of time | |
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| 19:51 | jcamins | owen: remember how you added better clone buttons to the cataloging module? It sounds like chris could use one. ;) |
| 19:52 | owen | Yeah, but deleting instances after you clone is buggy, and chris wouldn't want that |
| 19:52 | jcamins | Hm. Good point. |
| 19:52 | chris | heh |
| 19:53 | ok im modding search.pm | |
| 19:53 | so things will be changing | |
| 19:53 | owen | ...he said casually. |
| 19:53 | chris | http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]-search.pl?q=fish |
| 19:53 | there we go | |
| 19:53 | relevance ranking on | |
| 19:54 | much nicer results | |
| 19:54 | jcamins | Very nice. |
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| 19:56 | jcamins | I had always just assumed that it was a configuration on our end that sorted the results by bibnumber. |
| 19:59 | chris | well, its basically that we just arent actually turning the relevance ranking on |
| 20:00 | in buildQuery | |
| 20:00 | have i mentioned i hate C4::Search lately | |
| 20:00 | owen | yeah but I'm not worried because I know you're going to whip it into shape chris |
| 20:01 | sekjal | chris: very interesting. I'm been trying to figure out 'secret sauce' of the current relevancy ranking for a while now, and keep coming up dry. now it makes sense why |
| 20:01 | chris | not me, gmcharlt is the poor^H^H^H^H lucky guy doing that |
| 20:02 | sekjal: yeah, the fact we arent actually doing it :) | |
| 20:02 | easy fix | |
| 20:02 | can you test for me to sekjal | |
| 20:02 | line 1326 | |
| 20:02 | # Warnings if DEBUG | |
| 20:02 | before that line add | |
| 20:03 | fcapo | Corrected my opac search results encoding problem by disabling pazpar2. Accented characters all working now. |
| 20:03 | chris | $query = "rank,".$query; |
| 20:04 | sekjal | sure thing, chris. give me a sec to get my ducks aligned |
| 20:04 | chris | ta |
| 20:04 | anyone else who wants to try too, id appreciate | |
| 20:06 | it doesnt seem to cause any problems afaict, so if others can confirm ill send a patch | |
| 20:06 | when you choose something else to sort by, that seems to work fine still too | |
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| 20:09 | jcamins | Looks to me like it works. |
| 20:09 | sekjal | chris: adding that line breaks my search: where once there were results, now there are none |
| 20:10 | chris | interesting sekjal, what version of koha? |
| 20:11 | and if you search on | |
| 20:11 | ccl=rank,kw,wrdl,rtrn=cool it | |
| 20:11 | (on your unmodified version) | |
| 20:11 | does that work? | |
| 20:11 | sekjal | chris: current HEAD |
| 20:12 | and running that search on unmodded does work | |
| 20:12 | reimplementing mod... | |
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| 20:13 | jcamins | I'm a bit behind. |
| 20:13 | My last patch is robin's fix for bug 5046. | |
| 20:13 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5046 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, RESOLVED FIXED, Zebra authorities template has the wrong locations |
| 20:13 | chris | right |
| 20:13 | jcamins | It looks like the only stuff in between, though, is translation stuff. |
| 20:13 | chris | yeah im on current HEAD too |
| 20:14 | yup | |
| 20:14 | sekjal | running the same search on modded yields the same results in teh same order |
| 20:14 | running just 'cool it' returns nothing | |
| 20:20 | chris | weird, they should return the same thing |
| 20:20 | which is what they do here, i wonder what is different | |
| 20:21 | jcamins | sekjal: is your IRC client Windows-based? |
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| 20:26 | chris | yes |
| 20:26 | just before returning it | |
| 20:26 | you might want to throw a warn in there too | |
| 20:26 | then see if it looks like | |
| 20:26 | rank,kw,wrdl,rtrn=cool it | |
| 20:26 | or rank,ti, etc | |
| 20:33 | hehe | |
| 20:33 | http://opac.library.org.nz/cgi[…]rdl%2Crtrn%3Dfish | |
| 20:33 | vs | |
| 20:33 | http://opac.library.org.nz/cgi[…]rdl%2Crtrn%3Dfish | |
| 20:34 | its much more understandable results when its actually ranking, its very obvious why that book is first :) | |
| 20:34 | jcamins | One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish is lost?!? |
| 20:35 | Will no one think of the children? | |
| 20:35 | chris | heh |
| 20:36 | jcamins | Also, only one copy in the entire system? |
| 20:36 | chris | yup |
| 20:36 | jcamins | :( |
| 20:37 | Time to close up. | |
| 20:37 | Good luck getting this figured out, sekjal (by the way, don't you usually finish at 4?). | |
| 20:38 | Good night, #koha | |
| 20:38 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_a | |
| 20:39 | sekjal | its a partial work weekend |
| 20:40 | not the whole time, but definitely some of it | |
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| 20:57 | cait | hi #koha |
| 21:02 | * chris | heads in to work, bbiab |
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| 21:37 | nur | how you everybody |
| 21:38 | how can i install Grapgic::Magic module in debian | |
| 21:38 | chris | http://packages.debian.org/sea[…]phics-magick-perl |
| 21:38 | apt-get install libgraphics-magick-perl | |
| 21:39 | nur | thanks |
| 21:42 | rebuild_zebra.pl -b -w -r is not working | |
| 21:42 | what can i do now ? | |
| 21:42 | chris | not working in what way |
| 21:42 | you need to tell us a lot more information than that before we can be helpful | |
| 21:43 | nur | first i export perl library |
| 21:43 | then i apply this command | |
| 21:51 | cd /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools | |
| 21:52 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 21:52 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 24.6�C (2:55 PM PDT on September 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Falling). |
| 21:52 | chris | hi brendan |
| 21:54 | brendan | heya chris - did you see that temp - it's hot today |
| 21:54 | chris | yeah that is pretty hot |
| 21:54 | @wunder wellington nz | |
| 21:54 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (9:00 AM NZST on September 25, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:54 | brendan | not too shabby |
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| 21:54 | chris | http://www.stuff.co.nz/busines[…]nys-monorail-idea |
| 21:54 | sekjal | @wunder 01060 |
| 21:55 | * brendan | wants to leave early and go ride my bike |
| 21:55 | munin | sekjal: The current temperature in Haydenville Center, Haydenville, Massachusetts is 27.9�C (5:56 PM EDT on September 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Falling). |
| 21:55 | brendan | "find ideas to change the world" Koha is changing the world |
| 21:56 | chris | did you see that newspaper article? |
| 21:56 | brendan | where's the Koha grant google |
| 21:56 | chris | about koha? |
| 21:56 | brendan | don't think so |
| 21:56 | But that's totally cool to have a awesome transit system (wishing more cities in the US would do that) | |
| 21:58 | chris | http://twitter.com/jransom/status/25393541659 |
| 22:03 | brendan | heh pretty cool article |
| 22:04 | yeah that must have been a pretty crazy time from August 1999 - to Jan 3 2000 | |
| 22:04 | rhcl_rice | this is the transit system I want: http://news.discovery.com/tech[…]-of-ones-own.html |
| 22:04 | rhcl_rice is now known as rhcl_away | |
| 22:04 | chris | its pretty factual, which is fairly amazing for any newspaper article :) |
| 22:05 | brendan: yeah, it didnt involve a lot of sleep :) | |
| 22:05 | Shiny | :-) everytime brendan speaks my irc client wakes me up |
| 22:05 | i gotta fix that | |
| 22:05 | brendan | 10 years ago - how much did you have built at this time? |
| 22:05 | Shiny | hello brendan |
| 22:05 | brendan | hi Shiny |
| 22:05 | Shiny | we almost share a name |
| 22:05 | chris | hmm by september 25? |
| 22:05 | lemme check | |
| 22:05 | git knows all | |
| 22:06 | Shiny | chris: gource will make that pretty |
| 22:06 | chris | we are using gource at the conference, no sneak preview |
| 22:06 | brendan | ah I didn't know git had stats pre-shift to git :) |
| 22:06 | chris | 10 years in 10 minutes, me and andrew c |
| 22:08 | ahh dont have september | |
| 22:08 | but by october 25th (first day of conference) | |
| 22:08 | brendan | well maybe september = specs :) |
| 22:08 | Shiny | gource is GPLed already..... |
| 22:08 | oh well | |
| 22:08 | chris | yeah it was trying to get the data out of the old system |
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| 22:08 | chris | which was pick |
| 22:08 | olwen did all that | |
| 22:09 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b971fda820d0bb6dc | |
| 22:09 | 2 modules :) | |
| 22:09 | on october 25th, 1999 | |
| 22:09 | brendan | what was kumara ? |
| 22:10 | nevermind I can read | |
| 22:10 | chris | that was what koha was called before we named it, just my working name |
| 22:10 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]20975b4144f6e98a1 | |
| 22:10 | first day live | |
| 22:10 | brendan | bottom bar says - Kumara - predecessor to Koha :) (brendan - get's the lazy award for the day) |
| 22:11 | chris | so a bit more code :) |
| 22:12 | brendan | yeah I like the old Circulation.pm 223 lines vs. todays 2774 |
| 22:12 | nicer on the eyes | |
| 22:12 | chris | old circulation was telnet based |
| 22:12 | well ssh really | |
| 22:13 | using curses development kit | |
| 22:14 | brendan | my $blah; (found that and that's pretty descriptive) |
| 22:14 | chris | heh |
| 22:14 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6eb13b4b41f683987 | |
| 22:15 | brendan | :) |
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| 22:23 | chris | right the waiting game begins, im all set i just have to wait for the libraries to close now, then migrate their circ data, and im done .. then fly up tomorrow for go live |
| 22:24 | so ill update the kohacon site while i wait | |
| 22:24 | 2 new sponsors .. but only have logos for one | |
| 22:24 | NEKLS and RJ's Licorice ... cool eh :) | |
| 22:25 | * chris | talks to himself to avoid what i used to call library crazy .. you know when a room is so quiet that after like 20 minutes you want to scream .. i had to fight that urge all the way through university in the library |
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| 22:47 | chris | all updated |
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| 22:59 | * brendan | waiting for a report to arrive too :) |
| 23:00 | brendan | let's hope it has patron barcodes in it this time |
| 23:00 | chris | :) |
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