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| 03:13 | Amit | heya chris |
| 03:13 | wasabi | morning amit |
| 03:13 | Amit | heya mason |
| 03:18 | yhager | Trying to add my first record, I get an error about item 942 not filled - item type - what is this? |
| 03:19 | chris | its probably telling you you havent put an itemtype in 942c |
| 03:21 | brendan_l | heya amit |
| 03:21 | Amit | heya brendan |
| 03:22 | yhager | chris: yes, I got that. but the option list there is empty. How can I define item types? |
| 03:22 | chris | you probably should read the manual |
| 03:22 | 2 secs, ill find you a link | |
| 03:23 | http://koha-community.org/docu[…]?ch=x2963#AEN3051 | |
| 03:25 | yhager | chris: thanks! I downloaded the stable release though (3.0) |
| 03:25 | chris | that itemtype link is the same |
| 03:26 | and for the rest http://koha-community.org/documentation/ | |
| 03:26 | there is a pdf there for 3.0 | |
| 03:26 | yhager | but I can't find the item type page link |
| 03:27 | I am looking at at the admin home page.. | |
| 03:28 | found it. sorry | |
| 03:29 | chris | no worries |
| 03:29 | pretty much everything on that page is worth looking through (the admin one) | |
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| 06:58 | ivanc | hi #koha |
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| 07:10 | kf | good mornign #koha |
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| 07:21 | kf | chris: aroundß |
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| 07:29 | ivanc | guten morgen kf |
| 07:32 | kf | hi ivanc :) |
| 07:39 | git++ | |
| 07:39 | @karma git | |
| 07:39 | munin | kf: Karma for "git" has been increased 8 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 8. |
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| 07:41 | kf | hi magnus :) |
| 07:41 | magnus | hiya kf and #koha |
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| 08:23 | ivanc | hi magnus |
| 08:23 | magnus | hi ivanc |
| 08:23 | hi davi | |
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| 08:25 | davi | hi magnus |
| 08:28 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:28 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.2�C (10:31 AM CEST on September 14, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027.0 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:29 | chris | kf: am now |
| 08:31 | kf | chris: I had problems with git commit --amend - but solved it :) |
| 08:32 | chris | ah cool |
| 08:32 | patch looks good | |
| 08:35 | signed off and resent | |
| 08:36 | for ones like that in the future, you could send direct to me, and ill send the signed off one to the list, save doubling up on the list (ie if its one ive said ill sign off on) | |
| 08:36 | kf | ok |
| 08:37 | yeah, makes more sense and less work too | |
| 08:37 | chris | hopefully we get to the point where its pretty much only signed off patches hitting the list |
| 08:39 | kf | I think it's good to do that, but more work for the developer too |
| 08:39 | finding people to sign-off | |
| 08:39 | chris | yup, but much more chance it will get pushed up |
| 08:40 | yes, but building those relationships makes the project stronger | |
| 08:40 | new ones of course can just send to the list | |
| 08:40 | but its nice to build up, ill sign yours, you sign mine type deals :) | |
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| 08:44 | kf | hm. I think I am only a bit worried about finding people to sign off on mine. |
| 08:44 | chris | until 3.2 is released, im happy to sign off on yours |
| 08:44 | kf | thx chris :) |
| 08:44 | chris | once 3.2 is released ill be busy with 3.4 stuff |
| 08:44 | kf | yep |
| 08:45 | we will keep you busy :) | |
| 08:45 | chris | but robin at catalyst might be able to take over |
| 08:45 | ill ask him tomorrow at work | |
| 08:46 | kf | I will try to talk to others too and I have no problem with testing a lot of patches :) |
| 08:46 | chris | :) |
| 09:41 | kf | hm, working on documentation about borrower notification - my messaging table looks strange again :( |
| 10:10 | ivanc | with Debian lenny on the git installation |
| 10:10 | I've found a issue in zebra installer, cpan XML::LibXLT fail | |
| 10:10 | with this error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgdbm | |
| 10:10 | the lib is already present : perl -V | grep libs | |
| 10:10 | solved with the creation of 2 simbolic link | |
| 10:10 | /usr/lib/libgdbm.so.3.0.0 | |
| 10:10 | and | |
| 10:10 | /usr/lib/libgdbm.so.3.0.0 | |
| 10:10 | could help someone? | |
| 10:14 | chris | libxslt? |
| 10:14 | why are you cpanning it on, not apt-get? | |
| 10:15 | apt-get install libxml-libxslt-perl | |
| 10:16 | and apt-get idzebra too | |
| 10:21 | ivanc | cris: because a version error with libxml |
| 10:23 | chris | if you really have to install from source, rather than from packages, then you need the gdbm development libraries |
| 10:24 | apt-get install libgbdm-dev | |
| 10:27 | ivanc | cris: true, but my libxml was from cpan, I thought it was better to have updated libraries |
| 10:28 | cris: but still running :) | |
| 10:29 | chris | its always better to have packages |
| 10:29 | they are looked after by the debian security team | |
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| 11:47 | magnus | good morning jwagner & nengard! |
| 11:47 | nengard | morning |
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| 11:50 | jwagner | Hi magnus |
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| 11:51 | mgarces | hello everyone |
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| 11:57 | mgarces | is koha avaylable in other languages |
| 11:57 | ?? | |
| 11:57 | chris_n | mgarces: yes |
| 11:58 | magnus | mgarces. http://translate.koha.org/ |
| 11:58 | mgarces | =) |
| 11:59 | my boss asked me to install this | |
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| 12:03 | Topic for #koha is now reminder: send nengard koha newsletter articles/tips/tricket/news/ etc ASAP! | |
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| 12:17 | owen | Hi #koha |
| 12:18 | ivanc | hi owen |
| 12:19 | Amit | Hi Jwagner |
| 12:19 | jwagner | Hi Amit |
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| 12:28 | druthb | mornin, #koha. |
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| 12:29 | owen | Hi druthb |
| 12:29 | druthb | :D hi, owen! |
| 12:29 | owen | druthb: Working on anything fun lately? |
| 12:30 | druthb | fixing things for wizzyrea and schuster a lot. That's "fun," of a sort, because they're two of my favorite people. Takes your fun where you can get it. |
| 12:31 | owen | It's always easier to fix things for people who will appreciate it |
| 12:31 | druthb | Other non-work stuff is more fun. Go check my new facebook profile pic...Kind Of A Big Deal. |
| 12:33 | jwagner | Wow, that was fast turnaround on the pic! |
| 12:34 | druthb | jwagner++ # for taking it. |
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| 12:51 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 13:56 | wizzyrea | good morning peeps |
| 13:56 | * druthb | waves to wizzyrea. |
| 13:56 | wizzyrea | how is everybody this morning? |
| 13:57 | druthb | :D |
| 14:05 | kf | hi jcamins and wizzyrea :) and druthb! :) |
| 14:05 | wizzyrea | ooh, hi kf |
| 14:05 | :) | |
| 14:06 | brendan | morning |
| 14:06 | druthb | hi, kf. :D |
| 14:06 | * druthb | waves to brendan |
| 14:06 | wizzyrea | ooh, brendan is up early |
| 14:06 | brendan | :) |
| 14:07 | wizzyrea | I forget when does the wee one arrive? |
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| 14:15 | brendan | december |
| 14:15 | wizzyrea | ooh getting close! |
| 14:16 | well not *that* close I guess but... never mind. lol. | |
| 14:19 | brendan | it's getting closer |
| 14:19 | I'm in the hurry up and wait mode | |
| 14:28 | wizzyrea | yes, in the "still luxuriating in the fact you can sleep in" mode |
| 14:28 | :D | |
| 14:29 | owen | brendan can sleep at least. His wife must be going into "can't ever get comfortable" mode |
| 14:29 | brendan | that's so true |
| 14:29 | wizzyrea | idk, even when I was in "can't ever get comfortable" it was still a luxury to be in bed, not doing anything. |
| 14:30 | now it's all "please don't put your peas in your water" and "it would be better if you didn't stick the drumstick up your nose" | |
| 14:30 | jcamins | wizzyrea: you make it all sound so appealing. |
| 14:30 | wizzyrea | "please use your fork for eating, not for stabbing the cat" |
| 14:30 | >.> don't get me wrong, it's glorious ;) | |
| 14:31 | jcamins | :) |
| 14:31 | Time to head to work. | |
| 14:31 | wizzyrea | you also get kiddo proclaiming "HOT BALLOONS ARE AWESOME" |
| 14:31 | jcamins | Today is awesome book day! |
| 14:31 | Aww. They are, of course (hot balloons, and books). :D | |
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| 14:44 | ivanc | any idea for using Schlagwortkatalog in text searching? whit the rule explain in the RSWK? |
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| 14:51 | reva | Hi my friends, I have a quick question; when I turn on repeat for 952 $h (serial enumeration and chronology) so that various irregular numbering for the serials can be handled more elegantly, it does not work. (running Koha 3.0.6). Any ideas why? |
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| 15:01 | kf | I think the repeated subfidles in item are perhaps problematic |
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| 15:12 | kf | invanc: ask me tomorrow about RSWK and authorities - I can tell you some things |
| 15:13 | owen | chris_n: Am I to understand that you can perltidy a TMPL file? Or were you just making changes to the TMPL file based on the perltidy rules? |
| 15:13 | ivanc | tnks kf |
| 15:13 | chris_n | owen: the latter |
| 15:14 | kf | leavning now - bye all |
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| 15:15 | chris_n | I'm not sure what would happen if one ran perltidy on a template file |
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| 15:27 | reva | hi again, sorry kf: I stepped out. So what other ways are there to display holdings for serials in 3.0.6? |
| 15:28 | owen | reva: Use the serials module? Unfortunately that's not easy if you're migrating existing holdings |
| 15:29 | chris_n | owen: after a brief test, running perltidy on tmpl files is *not* recommended for sanity's sake |
| 15:30 | owen | I can hear the klaxons from here! |
| 15:41 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 15:41 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 13.1�C (8:41 AM PDT on September 14, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Rising). |
| 15:41 | owen | http://git.biblibre.com/ not working anymore? |
| 15:51 | reva | owen: 3.0.6 does not have a serial module in Admin choices, except to enter subscriptions and go from there. But if you are meaning enter the title as serial (both using the serial framework and explicitly coding it in the leader), I have done that; there does not seem to be any way to enter holdings except in 952 $h and my version does not repeat that subfield, though I have enabled it. |
| 15:52 | owen | reva: I mean using the serials module. /cgi-bin/koha/serials/serials-home.pl |
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| 15:54 | reva | owen: please explain, where I would find this file. |
| 15:55 | owen | From the staff client home page, click "Serials" |
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| 15:56 | reva | owen: That is what I meant when I said "I see only a way to enter new subscription" with all the expected frequency, etc; but no way to input a bib record and create holdings in it. |
| 15:58 | owen | You create a bib record first in the regular bib editor. Then you attach a subscription to it in Serials. Then you receive issues in Serials and attach items at that time. |
| 16:01 | reva | Ok, I will try that. So I can search for the bib record I just created from inside the "new Subscription" and build the pattern and it will attach a new item record for the bib every time I receive the issue and record it, correct? |
| 16:03 | owen | Yes. You have to choose "create an item record when receiving this serial" |
| 16:03 | ...when you create the subscription | |
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| 16:03 | reva | owen: ok, got that about creating item record when receiving; thanks. What about compressed holdings from before? where would they go? |
| 16:04 | owen | I don't know about that, sorry :( |
| 16:05 | reva | owen: I mean, for example v.10 (1970) - v.12 (1972), v.15 (1975); how would I show them? |
| 16:05 | owen | I don't know. |
| 16:07 | reva | owen: ok, I will first do what you told me and figure out a way to enter retrospective holdings. If you know anyone with serials issues as mine who solved it, I would appreciate knowing in the future. Thanks. |
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| 16:10 | reva | owen: I think may be creating new duplicate bib record for the serial and recording the compressed holdings in its item record and adding notes about the existence of two bib records may work. |
| 16:19 | owen | Anyone have enough authority records to test Bug 3187? |
| 16:19 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3187 normal, P5, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, pagination in authority search doesn't work |
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| 16:26 | cait | owen: I have a lot, but can't test today |
| 16:27 | owen | Thanks cait. No rush, but it looks like it could be marked fixed if it's working. |
| 16:28 | cait | ok, I will add me ass cc to the bug and write a reminder to myself |
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| 16:33 | chris_n | sekjal: just commented up the RFC on hourly loans |
| 16:33 | sekjal | chris_n: awesome, thanks! I'll read it tomorrow |
| 16:33 | today's my day off | |
| 16:34 | but for some reason I still find myself in chat... | |
| 16:34 | :) | |
| 16:34 | owen | I think Bug 3094 is fixed. Can anyone confirm? |
| 16:34 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3094 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Public Virtual Shelf can be Modified / Deleted by any non-logged in patron |
| 16:35 | cait | sekjal: I know the feeling ;) |
| 16:35 | i will try to comment on the rfc's too - but it's been a crazy week :( | |
| 16:37 | jcamins_a | sekjal: I'm not quite sure what a day off is, but I'm sure you shouldn't be spending it on #koha. ;) |
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| 16:42 | sekjal | jcamins: well, in the future, my days off my revolve around getting my home Koha instance up and running, so it would make sense for me to be in chat then |
| 16:43 | jcamins | sekjal: your home Koha instance? |
| 16:44 | brendan | jcamins - everyone needs a home koha install |
| 16:44 | sekjal | yeah, I'm going to set on up to track my books, movies, music and such |
| 16:44 | and hopefully get my friends on board as well | |
| 16:44 | set up a personal consortium | |
| 16:44 | jcamins | brendan: Far be it from me to disagree with you! In fact, that's what I go around telling everyone! :D |
| 16:46 | rhcl | rhcl wonders if sekjal will charge fines |
| 16:46 | owen | It could be a disciplinary exercise for kids: check books out to them for bedtime, then charge fines if you have to pick them up off the floor the next day |
| 16:47 | jcamins | If you can change the units, you could charge in rounds of drinks. This encourages A) socialization and B) returning books on time. |
| 16:47 | sekjal | rhcl: I think I'll set up another currency, and charge folks in fresh produce |
| 16:47 | rhcl | a way to recoup some of that excessive allowance money |
| 16:47 | sekjal | drinks woudl be good, too |
| 16:47 | brendan | excellent ideas - I may implement that |
| 16:48 | rhcl | if you charge in produce you'll go broke (hungry?) in the winter |
| 16:48 | jcamins | And you'll end up with way too much zucchini in the summer. |
| 16:49 | cait | mmh zucchini |
| 16:49 | rhcl | speaking of which, time for lunch |
| 16:49 | sekjal | rhcl: indeed! |
| 16:49 | cait | dinner time |
| 16:50 | brendan | coffee time |
| 16:50 | jcamins | (courgette for our British compatriots) |
| 16:50 | :) | |
| 16:50 | rhcl | I got coffee, need tacos |
| 16:50 | * jwagner | is channeling the spirit of owen. Ommmmmm. |
| 16:50 | jwagner | Have to go teach some of our people how to do OPAC customizations :-) |
| 16:50 | cait | :) |
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| 16:52 | owen | jwagner: Don't forget to impart Rule 1: Don't make it ugly! |
| 16:52 | jwag_mtg | owen, ugly is in the eye of the beholder. The client wants it, the client gets it :-) |
| 16:54 | Mind you, I do make some rather strongly-worded suggestions, at times.... | |
| 16:55 | cait | :) |
| 16:58 | * owen | hops on the lunch train |
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| 18:15 | ivanc | hi #koha |
| 18:21 | * chris_n | finds he somehow missed out on the lunch thing |
| 18:25 | rhcl | not too late, go for it :) |
| 18:28 | chris_n | yeah, its never too late for food imho :) |
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| 19:05 | * jwagner | is tired now. It's hard pretending to be owen :-) |
| 19:06 | owen | It's hard to do the silly walk just right |
| 19:07 | jcamins | A quarter twist and a hop to the left every third step? |
| 19:07 | jwagner | It's just a jump to the right! |
| 19:10 | jcamins | And then a step to the left? :) |
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| 19:12 | jwagner | Put your hands on your hips (or was it knees?) |
| 19:12 | jcamins | I certainly don't know. I never saw the film, and only saw the show once. |
| 19:12 | jwagner | Let's Do The Time Warp Again! |
| 19:13 | jcamins | That part I knew. ;) |
| 19:15 | chris | http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories[…]ets-residency.htm |
| 19:18 | jwagner | The really priceless version was a parody done on some Comedy Channel show (I think) in the '80s, called the Ronnie Horror Picture Show. With El Presidente in the Dr. Frank-n-furter role, complete with costume..... |
| 19:18 | I cherish a copy of that. | |
| 19:21 | owen | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb-uw_uTdUI |
| 19:22 | jwagner | Yep, that's it :-) |
| 19:29 | owen | What should koha-error_log's permissions be? |
| 19:30 | chris | different distributions set them at different level |
| 19:31 | on debian, its probably gonna be owned by root, and readable only by root | |
| 19:31 | jcamins | 644 root:root |
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| 19:31 | jcamins | But I'm on Debian. |
| 19:31 | chris | i put my apache logs in /var/log/apache2 (koha included) and let logrotate take care of them |
| 19:32 | yours are probably where koha wanted to put them? | |
| 19:32 | 640 root:adm on my ubuntu box | |
| 19:32 | jcamins | Ooh, I guess I should figure out how to get logrotate to work happily with the logs for my dev install script. |
| 19:33 | chris | yup, you should, or huge files here we come :) |
| 19:33 | jcamins | *for dev installations from from my Koha dev-install-ing script |
| 19:33 | chris | there is a config script in misc |
| 19:33 | * owen | is trying to figure out why errors aren't getting recorded to the log anymore |
| 19:33 | jcamins | Why is opac-error so massive? |
| 19:33 | chris | look in the main apache error log |
| 19:34 | jcamins: warns | |
| 19:34 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 19:34 | chris | not errors, but things like uninitialized variable blah blah |
| 19:34 | and then some ppl have left warns in ... both of which should be fix | |
| 19:35 | harmless in the greater scheme of things, but noisy logs mean real errors get missed | |
| 19:36 | jcamins | Well, when I have nothing else to do, perhaps I'll fix some of them. |
| 19:36 | chris | owen: what version of apache are you running, one of them decides to just put stuff in the main log ... also .. are you running logrotate? is it writing to the .1 logs instead? |
| 19:36 | jcamins: thatd be great | |
| 19:36 | * jcamins | laughs hysterically at the idea of having nothing else to do |
| 19:36 | chris | bug2505 |
| 19:36 | is where you can log fixes under | |
| 19:36 | its a nice habit that if you are touching a script | |
| 19:36 | you check it has use warnings; | |
| 19:37 | an fix any warnings as well | |
| 19:37 | 2 birds one stone and all that | |
| 19:37 | owen | chris: It was working the other day, and then I emptied out the log files (not using logrotate obviously) |
| 19:37 | cait | jcamins: cookie? |
| 19:37 | chris | owen: that'd do it |
| 19:37 | stop apache2 | |
| 19:37 | jcamins | cait: Was that an offer or a request? |
| 19:37 | cait | an offer |
| 19:37 | chris | mv the log files out of the way |
| 19:37 | cait | I feel with you |
| 19:37 | jcamins | Ah. Thank you! |
| 19:38 | chris | start it again, and apache2 should create log files with the permissions it can write to |
| 19:38 | cait | but if you take cookies we can trade |
| 19:38 | have cookies.. | |
| 19:38 | jcamins | I actually have no baked goods at all right now. |
| 19:38 | I may have to bake something quick tonight. | |
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| 19:40 | chris | owen: lemme know if that works |
| 19:40 | but now i have to catch my bus | |
| 19:40 | owen | No, didn't work. |
| 19:41 | cait | jcamins: that seems unusual for you - no cookies around :) |
| 19:41 | chris | owen: is it writing to the main error log? |
| 19:42 | jcamins | cait: it is. And very sad. |
| 19:42 | * cait | sends an emergency package with a lot of cookies |
| 19:42 | * chris | really goes this time |
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| 19:52 | owen | Got it. The files needed to be in the adm group. Must be an Ubuntu thing. |
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| 20:00 | owen | Is there a standard practice for updating a script's copyright statement if you edit it? |
| 20:00 | Should we be doing that? | |
| 20:02 | chris | Yes owen |
| 20:03 | owen | Add another line after the existing copyright line? |
| 20:03 | chris | We should definitely add to the copyright |
| 20:03 | Parts copyright owen | |
| 20:03 | cait | owen: this is a good question |
| 20:03 | owen | chris: ? |
| 20:03 | cait | chris: for every change or only significant changes? |
| 20:04 | jcamins | Does that mean everyone who touches a file needs to add their name to the copyright statement? |
| 20:05 | cait | I think most people don't touch the copyright statements, perhaps we should agree on something and add it to the wiki |
| 20:05 | chris | Its a judgement call no hard and fast rules |
| 20:05 | But yes you change 3 or 4 lines then parts copyright you | |
| 20:05 | Seems reasonable | |
| 20:06 | Have to go back and fix the files is one of our jobs | |
| 20:06 | Its all in the git logs | |
| 20:07 | But we can't go into debian proper until we fix it | |
| 20:07 | If ppl want I can point it out on patches and ask for resubmit | |
| 20:07 | owen | Should a "parts copyright" be noted differently than the original copyright? |
| 20:08 | chris | In fact I will for 3.4 |
| 20:08 | And ill ask colin to as well | |
| 20:08 | jcamins | Why can't we go into Debian? |
| 20:08 | chris | Um |
| 20:08 | Cos of the copright statements | |
| 20:09 | jcamins | There has to be an accurate copyright statement in each file? |
| 20:09 | chris | They are wrong 90% |
| 20:09 | Yes | |
| 20:09 | jcamins | Okay. I don't know much about Debian. |
| 20:09 | chris | And its a good rule too |
| 20:09 | jcamins | Other than that it's the distribution I use to run Koha. ;) |
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| 20:10 | chris | Owen: there are some parts copyright bits in there a grep should find them |
| 20:11 | owen | # Copyright 2006 Katipo Communications. |
| 20:11 | # Parts Copyright 2009 Foundations Bible College. | |
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| 20:11 | owen | chris: In terms of Debian, is it a problem that our template files have no copyright statement? |
| 20:12 | chris | If you make big changes then I think a copyright line by itself is fine, ie if I rewrote a script id just put copyright chris cormack 2010 |
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| 20:13 | chris | Owen: not sure ill read up, lars or slef would know |
| 20:13 | Mainpage.pl has no copyright statement .. so we have stuff to do | |
| 20:13 | larsw | owen, as long as copyright status is otherwise clear, it's not a problem, but it's easier to be clear by putting the copyright statement and license info in each file, even though it is ugly |
| 20:14 | chris | Yay larsw! |
| 20:14 | One thing I hope to do | |
| 20:14 | Is the first day of the dev conference | |
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| 20:15 | chris | We teach the librarians how to do research with git |
| 20:15 | And then ask them to fix the copyrights | |
| 20:15 | :) | |
| 20:15 | magnus | chris: good plan! ;-) |
| 20:16 | larsw | :) |
| 20:16 | jcamins | You'd think we librarians would be good at that. :) |
| 20:16 | chris | Larsw: what do you reckon a rule of thumb should be for needing to update the copyroght? |
| 20:17 | jcamins | I wonder how many files there are to go through. |
| 20:17 | chris | And are you in the uk now? |
| 20:17 | jcamins hundreds | |
| 20:17 | jcamins | Wow. There are 11k files in Koha. |
| 20:17 | That doesn't seem right to me. | |
| 20:17 | cait | only the librarians? |
| 20:17 | jcamins | I must have a recursive symlink. |
| 20:18 | * cait | does not want to only do boring things at kohacon ;) |
| 20:18 | chris | Its the images, css etc too jcamins |
| 20:18 | jcamins | Ah. Right. |
| 20:18 | owen | And translations maybe? |
| 20:18 | jcamins | There are 940ish .pl files. |
| 20:18 | owen | Gotta go, see y'all tomorrow |
| 20:18 | chris | Cait: I'm trying to spare you the boring stuff |
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| 20:19 | chris | You're a developer now |
| 20:19 | magnus | cait: you are a developer, remember! |
| 20:19 | chris | :) |
| 20:19 | magnus | ;-) |
| 20:19 | :-) | |
| 20:19 | larsw | chris, I'll need to think about that and I'm about asleep already, so I'll answer later -- could you e-mail me so I don't forget? |
| 20:20 | chris | Will do |
| 20:20 | Thanks | |
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| 20:21 | cait | oh, good |
| 20:21 | * cait | tries to remember :) |
| 20:21 | chris | Ok my stop, cyas |
| 20:28 | cait | magnus: but I am a librarian too |
| 20:28 | magnus | me too |
| 20:28 | cait | :) |
| 20:28 | magnus | i guess we can choose what hat to wear as we see fit... ;-) |
| 20:28 | cait | lol |
| 20:28 | yep, was thinking the same right now | |
| 20:35 | chris | back |
| 20:36 | magnus | that was quick |
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| 20:37 | richard | hi |
| 20:37 | chris | hi richard |
| 20:37 | richard | hey chris |
| 20:37 | nice spring day out there | |
| 20:38 | cait | wb chris |
| 20:38 | chris | it sure richard |
| 20:39 | magnus: its only a short walk from the bus stop to work, i stopped to get a flat white too .. you will need to learn about those in NZ :) | |
| 20:39 | magnus | coffee? nah... ;-) |
| 20:49 | cait | coffee with a lot of milk is perhaps drinkable |
| 20:49 | chris | you people are crazy |
| 20:50 | :) | |
| 20:56 | magnus | just wait until you find out how crazy we really are! |
| 20:56 | and so to bed | |
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| 21:03 | cait | can't wait to meet magnus :) |
| 21:04 | chris: we are really crazy, better prepare for it :) | |
| 21:04 | chris | i have the padded rooms ready |
| 21:05 | jcamins | Nothing except a computer and a motivational Koha poster? |
| 21:05 | chris | :) |
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| 21:20 | cait | bed time |
| 21:20 | bye all :) | |
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| 22:07 | munin | brendan_l: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.8�C (3:08 PM PDT on September 14, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling). |
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| 22:26 | Braedon | 1ngR0ut3 |
| 22:26 | hehe, wrong window | |
| 22:35 | jcamins is now known as jcamins_a | |
| 22:56 | * robin | logs into all of Braedon's accounts with that password :) |
| 22:56 | * Braedon | is thankful it was only Part of his password |
| 22:57 | Braedon | damn empathy popping up |
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| 23:02 | * Braedon | probably should change that password wherever it is used regardless... |
| 23:02 | Braedon | any ideas for a password anyone? :P |
| 23:32 | robin | Braedon: I recommend 'password1' |
| 23:32 | rhcl | 'changeme' |
| 23:32 | richard | friday is always popular |
| 23:32 | robin | 'changeme' is my usual default when I give passwords to people. Then I find that they haven't changed it two weeks later. |
| 23:33 | So now I sometimes use "changethispasswordbecauseitisreallylongandapaintotype" | |
| 23:33 | rhcl | Give out something like: 'I eat snakes!" |
| 23:34 | Hey, that one's not too bad. I should have kept that and used it myself. | |
| 23:34 | rhcl is now known as rhcl_away | |
| 23:35 | Braedon | wouldn't a lot of things not allow a password that long robin? |
| 23:35 | robin | Not the software that I'm giving out passwords on. It's bad design to have a max length on passwords. |
| 23:35 | Braedon | yeah |
| 23:36 | there was something a while ago that i had to use that wanted one between 6 and 10 characters or something | |
| 23:36 | it was really annoying | |
| 23:36 | robin | yeah, that's just stupid |
| 23:36 | Braedon | possibly studylink or something like that |
| 23:37 | no, wait, it was account at UoA | |
| 23:37 | i had to come up with an abreviation of my standard password at the time | |
| 23:37 | XKCD really is right. I use the same password for almost everything | |
| 23:38 | except my bank account theoretically | |
| 23:38 | robin | yeah, so do I. Although there's a password generator that I've been meaning to use. It takes the URL and your password and hashes them, that hash being the real password. |
| 23:40 | Braedon | Whenever my standard password gets compromised(not often thankfully, but always have the occasional slip-up, like this time where my IRC client took focus on my second screen while i was sodoing), i have to change a bunch of accounts fast, and usually don't have the time to make up a new one. So, i use my bank password, meaning to then upgrade that one... |
| 23:41 | usually QUITE a long overlap... | |
| 23:41 | in the middle of one atm, so i actually need two passwords :P | |
| 23:41 | robin | My usual trick for shell passwords is to write it on my hand, and use it a lot the first day or two. By the time it's faded, I've memorised it. |
| 23:43 | Braedon | yeah, once i have come up with something for my main password, memorising it isn't usually a problem |
| 23:43 | i remember the keystroke sequence | |
| 23:44 | but for my higher level password used for bank and a few other things, i jsut don't use it often enough | |
| 23:46 | robin | Once they've set, I can't forget them. I have a shell acct I use about twice a year, and I couldn't tell you the password, but it comes naturally after typing 'ssh <hostname>' |
| 23:47 | Braedon | yip, same |
| 23:48 | i can remeber a sequence seemingly indefnitely IF i am currently staring at somewhere where i would input it | |
| 23:48 | anywhere else, i wouldn't have a clue | |
| 23:48 | but just start typing it regardless, and the sequence just comes out, even if i can't remember the first character | |
| 23:50 | robin | yeah. This has become a problem when trying to enter passwords on my phone. |
| 23:51 | Braedon | haha, my problem with that is that i rely on the num row quite a lot(as evidenced in the password fragment that started this) |
| 23:51 | my current password is REALLY hard to input on an android keyboard |
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