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03:14 | Amit | heya chris |
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07:13 | magnus | g'day #koha |
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07:28 | chris | hi magnus |
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07:32 | kf | good morning #koha |
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07:39 | chris | hi kf and paul_p (and paul__p too) |
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07:44 | kf | hi chris :) |
07:44 | and paul_* | |
07:51 | magnus | hiya chris, kf, paul_p et al |
07:52 | paul_p | hi chris, kf & magnus |
07:52 | kf | hi magnus |
07:53 | robin++ | |
07:53 | paul_p | chris : hdl started to rebase biblibre/master against community/master, and ... it's really a huge job... (will require probably weeks) |
07:53 | chris | yup |
07:53 | what i would do | |
07:54 | format patch against koha/master | |
07:54 | then checkout a koha/master branch, an apply the patches for a feature set | |
07:54 | then you have that feature rebased, and move on to the next | |
07:55 | otherwise you have to rebase the whole branch, then we just have to split it up anyway | |
07:55 | and if you put the patches up in directories .. i can help apply them on branches | |
07:56 | even if the dirs are just your bug track number | |
07:56 | http://patches.workbuffer.org/ | |
07:57 | like that, but with more directories of course :) | |
07:58 | something like patches.biblibre.com/mt-1293/ | |
07:58 | and in there 0001-something.patch 0003-something.patch 0102-something.patch | |
07:59 | then i will be able to do some in my evenings | |
08:12 | paul_p | chris, you made a spelling mistake isn't it ? it's format patch against *biblibre*/master, then checkout koha/master, then... ? |
08:18 | chris | no |
08:18 | you format your patches against koha/master | |
08:18 | paul_p | how do you do a format-patch against koha/master ? |
08:19 | chris | git format-patch koha/master |
08:19 | if koha is the name of your remote | |
08:19 | paul_p | you can do that ? how will git take care of the conflict ? |
08:19 | chris | its making patches |
08:20 | it wont have any conflicts | |
08:20 | paul_p | ah, ok, I understand now. |
08:21 | we will also have some patches from community/master already included in biblibre/master, they won't be formatted I hope, as they are already in both branches | |
08:23 | chris | yep, git is pretty smart about that |
08:29 | http://patches.workbuffer.org/ is what i plan to use to try and help track patches for 3.4 | |
08:30 | so people can see where their patches are at, are they in the waiting for qa pile, or waiting for me pile, or rejected | |
08:31 | magnus | chris++ |
08:34 | kf | chris++ |
08:34 | feedback++ | |
08:36 | chris | i might add some more directories |
08:36 | maybe apply_to_3_2 | |
08:37 | ill talk with chris_n about that | |
08:45 | and of course any suggestions you guys have :) | |
08:52 | magnus | next irc meeting scheduled for 19:00 UTC+0 on the 1 September 2010, but no page on the wiki yet, or am i missing something? |
08:52 | chris | the 1st? |
08:53 | magnus | looks like it: http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]10-08-11#i_484091 |
08:54 | chris | ahh that was the meeting i missed, no wonder i dont rememebr |
08:54 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g,_11_August_2010 | |
08:54 | ill link the transcript there | |
08:54 | and send out an email | |
08:55 | unless you want to send out the mail (reminder one) | |
08:55 | magnus | i missed that too - it was my birthday... ;-) |
08:58 | chris: feel free | |
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10:37 | kf | chris: around? |
10:38 | chris | yup |
10:38 | kf | ah :) |
10:38 | will you send a mail to the translators soon? I was thinking as we are now in feature and template freeze people can start translating | |
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10:39 | chris | yep, people have been |
10:40 | kf | perhaps for some languages where people are not so active a reminder would be nice |
10:41 | chris | yeah ill try to get time to send one in the next few days |
10:44 | kf | great :) |
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13:38 | mib_w0pb7 | greetings colleagues, just checking if there are any Koha users based in Zimbabwe? |
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13:47 | kf | *sighs* impatient |
13:47 | Adamson Nyoni Library, theological college of zimbabwe | |
13:48 | http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]brary.pl?RC=54422 | |
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13:50 | ivanc | hi all |
13:50 | kf | hi ivanc |
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14:27 | jcamins | Hello, #koha |
14:28 | kf | hi jcamins :) |
14:29 | ivanc | hi kf |
14:29 | sekjal | morning, jcamins |
14:31 | jcamins | I see there's a meeting tomorrow at 3. |
14:31 | kf | no, it's at 9 ;) |
14:32 | jcamins | I'll try to show up when my wristwatch says 3. ;) |
14:37 | kf | jcamins: would you like to see the place of publication in opac and intranet? |
14:38 | jcamins | Hm. |
14:38 | Sure, why not? | |
14:39 | kf | ok, just testing if this change is ok .) |
14:39 | and you are a cataloger | |
14:45 | :) | |
14:45 | reva asked about it too and our library, I will send a patch | |
14:49 | tcohen | hi, i've just noticed that additem.pl fields appear unsorted |
14:49 | is there a fix for that? | |
14:50 | kf | hm, they are sorted in my dev installtion from current head - by subfield code |
14:51 | wizzyrea | I've been meaning to talk about that table |
14:51 | kf | tcohen: which version are u using? |
14:51 | tcohen | 3.0.6 |
14:51 | kf | hi wizzyrea |
14:51 | wizzyrea | (the entry order is fine) |
14:52 | kf | tcohen: sorry, I don't have a 3.0.x installation to test, in HEAD (3.2 to be) it seems ok to me |
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14:53 | tcohen | i'll try to figure it out, perhaps its a problem with our translation |
14:53 | kf | Gesenius, Wilhelm, F. C. W. Vogel, Description: ; Leipzig, , 1921 : xix, 1013, [1]p. ; 25cm. Freihand <- from staff result list - looks a bit strange, doesn't it |
14:53 | ? | |
14:54 | tcohen | i'll have to do some researh on how that list is constructed |
14:55 | wizzyrea | oh, and hi KF |
14:55 | jcamins | tcohen: are you talking about the list of items on the additem.pl screen, or the fields for adding a new item? |
14:56 | Because the former seems to be sorted by itemid, which is really irritating. | |
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14:56 | tcohen | jcamins: i'm talking about the "add item" form |
14:57 | wizzyrea | oh yes, jcamins, that bugs us too |
14:57 | jcamins | Okay, then, yes, on recent builds of 3.1 that works fine for me. |
14:59 | wizzyrea | but I would still like to talk about the order of the columns on additem.pl |
14:59 | >.> | |
14:59 | many of my librarians loathe that the most useful information is way to the right | |
15:00 | jcamins | I completely understand where they're coming from. |
15:00 | wizzyrea | I recognize that it's in subfield order, and some might like that |
15:01 | jcamins | Huh. Do you know, I never realized that. |
15:01 | wizzyrea | in our libraries though, seeing "withdrawn" or Lost or Classification scheme really rates much lower than Ccode, shelving location, current/perm location, call number, and barcode |
15:02 | and itype | |
15:03 | If I had a choice on how to order them, I would do it as follows: barcode, call number, ccode, itype, home location, current location, shelving location, the rest | |
15:04 | * jcamins | thinks that sounds like a very nice order |
15:05 | kf | wizzyrea: nice, but perhaps not easy to do without breaking the configuration from frameworks |
15:06 | jcamins | Could you do it with jQuery? |
15:06 | kf | jcamins: rows are much easier than columns |
15:06 | jcamins | Oh. :( |
15:06 | I guess that makes sense. | |
15:06 | kf | I did delete some columns from the z39.50 result screen |
15:07 | it's just more complicated, but I think it's possible, just not for me :( | |
15:08 | jcamins | Why did I create a Framework called "ZZ Delete this framework"? |
15:08 | wizzyrea | Columns are easy to delete in jquery |
15:08 | or hide | |
15:09 | kf | wizzyrea: how do you do it? |
15:09 | wizzyrea | 1s i'll shar |
15:09 | e | |
15:09 | now this is not specifically related to koha | |
15:10 | pastebot | "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "column removing jquery" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/58 |
15:10 | kf | oh, I have to test this |
15:10 | looks much easier than my solution! | |
15:10 | wizzyrea | now, I didn't do any checking for values |
15:10 | because I just wanted to nuke the column | |
15:10 | kf | not sure this is necessary |
15:11 | perhaps owen knows how to move columns | |
15:11 | wizzyrea | well, I bet it's similar to removing them |
15:11 | you maybe just assign a new index? | |
15:11 | kf now you've got me thinking... | |
15:13 | kf | wizzyrea: I tried to google it, but without success |
15:13 | we wanted the import column in z39.50 search results at the beginning | |
15:13 | wizzyrea | kf: see pm |
15:13 | kf | it still looks complicated :) |
15:13 | wizzyrea | very |
15:14 | kf | hm it involves click |
15:14 | perhaps a solution for drag and drop? | |
15:16 | wizzyrea | looks like there are jquery plugins for this operation |
15:16 | http://www.webdesignbooth.com/[…]ble-manipulation/ | |
15:16 | specifically #9 | |
15:17 | for the purposes of additem | |
15:17 | or #14 | |
15:18 | kf | wizzyrea: your solution works great for my problem |
15:19 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
15:21 | tcohen | i've just added a "sort" in the relevant perls' foreach and its working properly |
15:21 | sending a patch | |
15:25 | kf | tcohen: sort by what? |
15:25 | tcohen | by subfield number, alphabetically |
15:25 | ? | |
15:26 | kf | ah |
15:26 | sorry | |
15:26 | tcohen | kf: sorry, I hadn't read what you where proposing |
15:27 | kf | ah, I was not proposing, just commenting on the code wizzyrea showed me |
15:27 | tcohen | ah, I was wondering what would our librarians prefer |
15:28 | kf | we were discussing to resort the columsn with jquery to get the more important columns at the beginning |
15:28 | tcohen | so I handled your comments as a question :D |
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15:28 | jcamins | Where is the documentation on suppressing items in the OPAC? |
15:32 | I know there's something somewhere. | |
15:33 | Ah, it's OpacSuppression. | |
15:34 | sekjal | jcamins: and the trick is you have to have at least 1 biblio marked as suppressed before you turn OpacSuppression on |
15:34 | otherwise stuff breaks | |
15:35 | ivanc | I leave by |
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15:36 | jcamins | sekjal: Okay. I will create the record first, then. Does our server already have the suppress index configured? |
15:37 | sekjal | jcamins: it should, but I'll double check |
15:38 | yes | |
15:39 | jcamins | Thanks! |
15:40 | sekjal | jcamins: gladly |
15:43 | I just had an idea for how to make circulation permission MUCH more configurable an extensible! | |
15:44 | kf | sounds dangerous ;) |
15:44 | sekjal | s/permission/rules/ |
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15:46 | sekjal | right now the rules table gives a field for each known rule, like fine, finedays, maxissueqty, etc. |
15:46 | and we have to have 5-6 other tables to keep track of other kinds of rules | |
15:47 | plus, we've still got a ton of system preference level rules, like "noissuescharge" and "globalduedate" that can't be confirmed to the individual combo of itemtype/branchcode/patron category | |
15:47 | kf | allowonshelfholds... |
15:48 | sekjal: what is what you want to do? Now I am curious :) | |
15:49 | sekjal | so, how about this: we change the data structure around so we have branchcode/itemtype/categorycode, then a 'key' (named like sysprefs) and a value |
15:49 | basically, make issuing rules like system preferences | |
15:49 | kf | I think we would need a real good interface for that |
15:49 | sekjal | agreed; the interface we have now isn't sufficient |
15:50 | perhaps a 6th column indicating what page/tab/group the preference belongs to | |
15:50 | kf | so you can see all values for a branch/itemtype/category, show which values are inherited from default values |
15:50 | sorting | |
15:50 | the interface we have makes me load everything via swl | |
15:50 | I make so many mistakes manually adding or changing rules | |
15:51 | sekjal: I think your idea is great | |
15:52 | ok, I especially like the part about adding more global sys prefs to the matrix | |
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15:53 | sekjal | then we could change individual rules, like fine charging interval, without having to reenter all the preferences for that combo |
15:53 | oh, and we should have a test tool: you put in the branch/item/patron combo, and it tells you all the rules as they are currently configured | |
15:54 | kf | yes, or show all settings for all combinations for 1 sys pref |
15:54 | hm, you know what I mean... | |
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16:10 | sekjal | sorry, had a quick meeting there |
16:10 | yes, the tool should also be approachable from that direction | |
16:11 | either "give me all the rules for this combo" or "give me all the combos for this rule" | |
16:11 | we do this, and Koha will be that much better for consortial setups | |
16:11 | wizzyrea | I like things that are better for consortial setups |
16:11 | >.> | |
16:12 | kf | wizzyrea: me too :) makes koha more flexible in a lot of ways |
16:12 | not only for consortia - allowonshelfholds in circ matrix can solve my closed stacks problem for example | |
16:12 | sekjal | I think this makes 4 RFCs I've got to write up and get on the wiki... |
16:12 | kf | sekjal++ |
16:13 | I can't help much with programming - but will try to do a lot of testing for 3.4 | |
16:13 | sekjal | oh, wait, 5 if I count redoing Notices |
16:13 | kf | redoing notices? |
16:13 | can't wait to see what you want to do... we have really problems with that | |
16:14 | wizzyrea | kf what kind of problems? |
16:14 | sekjal | first idea is to split between event-driven notices (like checkins, checkouts and holds available) and time-driven notices (predue, due, overdue, library events) |
16:14 | kf | oh, don't make me start |
16:15 | wizzyrea | >.< |
16:15 | kf | German libraries are doing it different |
16:15 | weekly interval | |
16:15 | wizzyrea | oh that |
16:15 | kf | grace period the time between due date and first fine, not accounted for findes |
16:15 | send notice at the same day the fine was set | |
16:15 | is set? | |
16:15 | things like that | |
16:16 | I was going to work on that last week - but I am really slow and other things kept me away from it :( | |
16:17 | fredericd: I think I send a patch for your bug 5188 | |
16:17 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5188 normal, P5, ---, frederic, NEW, Refining members search by category doesn't display a categories list |
16:17 | kf | not sending notices on holidays |
16:17 | ok, now I am done :) | |
16:25 | ok, have I scared everybody away now? :) | |
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16:26 | * jcamins | peeks out from underneath the table |
16:27 | sekjal | kf: so, are your fines that are accrued for that night not being factored into your nightly notices? |
16:27 | kf | not sure I understand you |
16:28 | what we want is set the find and send the notice, with the fine mentioned | |
16:28 | for every book | |
16:28 | sekjal | kf: ah, okay |
16:28 | so have the fine be a value that can be parsed into the notice | |
16:28 | kf | and we would like to send them divided into 1st, 2nd and 3rd notices |
16:29 | at the moment everything is mixed together and there is no way you can have them send out at the same day | |
16:29 | sekjal: you can do that now with work chris_n did, although I have a open bug report for that with a problem noone else seems to have, but I can reproduce on all our different isntallations | |
16:30 | but 4904 | |
16:30 | bug 4904 | |
16:30 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4904 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Problem with printing fines in overdue notices |
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16:30 | kf | ideally we would like to have different fines for every notice |
16:31 | 1.50 1st, + 3.00 2nd + 4.50 3rd something like that | |
16:34 | sekjal | hmmm, okay |
16:34 | kf | yep, it must sound strange :) |
16:35 | it is a real problem for us, because most academic libraries in my state work like this, not easy to explain you can't do that | |
16:37 | don't think too much about it | |
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16:53 | jcamins | Does anyone know how frameworks are ordered in the "New Record" dropdown? |
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16:58 | kf | jcamins: never thought about it |
17:02 | jcamins | I guess probably most people don't use enough frameworks for it to be confusing. |
17:03 | kf | bbl for the meeting |
17:03 | oh, the meeting is tomorrow | |
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17:35 | cait | hi #koha |
18:11 | rhcl | Our receipts are printing out the library card number instead of the patron name. Where is that selection made? |
18:14 | cait | rhcl: you cant configure the receipts - which receipts are you speaking about? |
18:18 | rhcl | just that ... the receipts for items checked out. Surely this can be changed somewhere--even if it's hard coded |
18:18 | Seems like that should be a configurable item... | |
18:18 | cait | ah, email notifications? |
18:19 | rhcl | no no, a patron walks up to the circ desk, checks out a book, and gets a receipt |
18:19 | cait | slips are not configurable |
18:19 | you will have to look at the code | |
18:19 | rhcl | well, they should be |
18:19 | cait | but I wonder why the patron name is not there |
18:19 | rhcl | don't know |
18:20 | IMHO there should be a layout editor for receipt slips--let you config what info (name, date, et al) and the place on the slip (top/bottom) you want it | |
18:21 | cait | yeah, there should |
18:21 | but sadly, there isn't at them moment | |
18:22 | rhcl | wonder what it would take to get that done...me learning perl? |
18:24 | cait | to change the template, you will not need much, will be harder to write the editor |
18:24 | what is perhaps the reason noone has done it yet | |
18:27 | rhcl | ah, I'll bet one of the good coders on here could have that done in less than an hour. For just a simple line printer there would be very little formatting. |
18:27 | not like writing OO Writer from scratch | |
18:28 | cait | I think its printing a html page now |
18:29 | so the proble is not formatting, but make that part editable with place holders for variables like the notices module does | |
18:29 | and 1 hour is not very much, to plan what you want to do, write good code, test it | |
18:30 | rhcl | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3246 tnx wizzyrea |
18:30 | munin | 04Bug 3246: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Looking for a way to customize the patron slips (receipts) |
18:33 | rhcl | I wonder how munin parsed the bug from the link I posted...just a simple "bug" and "3246?" This line should test that idea. |
18:33 | wizzyrea | normally you have to have the bug and the number together |
18:33 | and, it detects bug url's | |
18:34 | so if you say bug 3246 | |
18:34 | rhcl | icic |
18:34 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3246 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Looking for a way to customize the patron slips (receipts) |
18:34 | wizzyrea | 3246 |
18:34 | doesn't work, obviously | |
18:36 | rhcl | bug.......3246 |
18:36 | * chris_n | walks in contentedly munching a chocolate chip cooking |
18:36 | rhcl | well, share some dude |
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18:36 | * chris_n | passes the bag around |
18:36 | rhcl | ah, thanks |
18:37 | wizzyrea | woot cookies! |
18:37 | chris_n | however, the virtual kind are not really as tasty ;-) |
18:37 | wizzyrea | I just had a lovely snack of carrots, grapes, cheese, and pretzels :P |
18:37 | * chris_n | wonders if one could use quantum mechanics to send cookies via email? |
18:37 | mib_8t7mr | Hey guys.....I got some help form you yesterday regarding a slow full display page in Koha, recommened to run the cleanup script to clear session table |
18:38 | The things is the script isn't anywhere on the installed system, which is a little strange. Should it be OK for me to use the script from a 3.0.6 install against the 3.0.5 install? | |
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19:42 | * wizzyrea | wonders if chris is up yet. |
19:44 | mib_8t7mr | Hi Wizzy, I got disconnected earlier.....yesterday you were suggesting I run a cleanup database script to clear the session table. This script doesn't exist on 3.0.5 but would the 3.0.6 on be OK? |
19:45 | wizzyrea | I really have no idea, sorry :( |
19:46 | mib_8t7mr | OK. Thanks anyway |
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20:06 | chris | Yeah on the bus |
20:07 | And yes that script should be fine, back up your db first though :) | |
20:07 | Wizzyrea: what's up? | |
20:11 | wizzyrea | I had a question about a thing but gmcharlt helped me :) |
20:11 | is that vague enough, lol | |
20:11 | chris | Heh |
20:12 | * chris | wanders off for a haircut |
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20:26 | richard | hi |
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20:41 | wizzyrea | anybody from biblibre around? |
20:42 | I know it's wicked late there | |
20:42 | @later tell paul_p did you need your vendor listing updated on k-c.org to reflect your office move? | |
20:42 | munin | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
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21:03 | chris | back |
21:04 | richard | hey chris |
21:14 | sekjal | I was reading an old convo from a while back about an error with link_bibs_to_authorities.pl |
21:15 | I'm seeing the error: Right truncation not supported ZOOM at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/Search.pm line 242 | |
21:15 | ccurry was asking about this last year | |
21:15 | I can't find a resolution in the chat logs | |
21:15 | does anyone recall this, and (hopefully) the solution? | |
21:16 | chris | not ringing any bells sorry |
21:17 | sekjal | I just ran this script on another server, and it went fine (though it took 12 hours) |
21:17 | in theory, I'm working with the same code on this machine | |
21:18 | though some underlying services could be different, and the data certainly is | |
21:20 | chris | syspref thing? |
21:22 | sekjal | queryautotruncate is set to automatic |
21:23 | chris | on both? |
21:23 | sekjal | no, only on the failing system |
21:23 | chris | ahhh |
21:23 | sekjal | just changed it and tried again |
21:23 | same error | |
21:23 | chris | *fingers crossed* |
21:26 | sekjal | maybe it's my version of Zebra |
21:28 | which doesn't seem to want to apt-get upgrade.... | |
21:28 | ah well, too late in my day to keep pounding at it | |
21:28 | will try again tomorrow | |
21:30 | goodnight, #koha! | |
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22:29 | chris | oh hey look, its Shiny :) |
22:30 | darling | Shiny ! |
22:30 | richard | with a capital S, no less |
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22:35 | wasabi | oooh, so Shiny.... |
22:53 | Shiny | 'sup? |
22:53 | oh wow -- i hae so many friends here | |
22:54 | i was working on this mykoha thing -- and since i was waiting for it to compile, i decided to lurk here | |
22:55 | what you folks do here all day? | |
22:56 | chris | mostly its pretty quiet this time of the day, with only the nzers around, but it gets busy overnight with europe, india and the US |
22:56 | meeting on here tomorrow round 7am nztime too | |
22:56 | Shiny | oh, that's tomorrow? |
22:56 | i saw the email, that's how i discoverd this channel | |
22:57 | of course.. UTC is a day behind | |
22:57 | you have to be awake and coherent at 7am? | |
22:57 | anitsirk | and in front of a digital device ;-) |
22:57 | chris | :) |
22:57 | Shiny | i can top that.. OLPC have voice conferences at 3am NZ time. |
22:58 | chris | youch! |
22:58 | Shiny | very |
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22:58 | anitsirk | 3 am meetings / presentations are awesome as long as they don't happen too many times |
22:59 | Shiny | at least the phoen call is cheap then |
22:59 | chris | anitsirk: not so awesome when your voice wakes up your 2 kids, who wake up your wife |
22:59 | least irc is quiet :) | |
23:00 | anitsirk | no that's true. chris. |
23:00 | esp. in the small apartments that are around here in wellington |
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