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| 00:17 | robin | Information about zebra on debian squeeze: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin[…]rt.cgi?bug=591307 |
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| 04:05 | Amit | heya chris |
| 04:06 | chris | hi Amit |
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| 05:00 | cait | morning #koha |
| 05:05 | chris | hi cait |
| 05:05 | cait | hi chris |
| 05:07 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 05:07 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 18.0�C (7:00 AM CEST on August 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). |
| 05:07 | cait | hm, back to rain |
| 05:07 | chris | @wunder wellington nz |
| 05:07 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (5:00 PM NZST on August 02, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:07 | chris | right, home time |
| 05:07 | back later | |
| 05:07 | if you can help susan out on the mailing list cait, that would be awesome :-) | |
| 05:08 | cait | I think I can not |
| 05:09 | not more than you already said | |
| 05:09 | and I m thinking we will really want to switch to a dev install | |
| 05:12 | robin | I'm finding local packages to be quite handy for that kind of thing. |
| 05:13 | Merge in all the branches you want for the particular package variation, build, deploy. | |
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| 05:16 | cait | robin: chris told me a bit about it and promised to show me at kohacon |
| 05:17 | not sure he wll manage to show me all the things he wanted to :) | |
| 05:17 | robin | heh yeah, that could be an issue. The guts of the packaging stuff I do is here: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_Debian_Packages |
| 05:18 | still has a bit of streamlining to do, I'm trying to build a staging system so our QA folks can test things quickly and easily. | |
| 05:19 | cait | cool |
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| 06:30 | cait | time to go to work, bbl |
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| 07:07 | kf | morning again #koha |
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| 07:36 | chris | back |
| 07:37 | yeah, building the packages isnt too hard, but i didnt want to spring that on susan as well, ideally you have a dev install where you do your development then deploy to production with packages | |
| 07:37 | running a dev install on production is a little dangerous | |
| 07:37 | if you do a git rebase and get conflicts your koha is busted while you fix them | |
| 07:38 | but its a lot better still than having a svn repository | |
| 07:53 | kf | chris: sorry, was afk and now in a meeting |
| 07:54 | chris: I think we have to think about it a bit more, it depends what it doable for us. | |
| 07:58 | chris | yep, i just always think its better to do it right first, than spend hours/weeks/months cleaning up from when its gone wrong |
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| 08:02 | chris | hi magnus |
| 08:03 | magnus | hi chris & #koha |
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| 08:03 | magnus | chris: thanks for checking out my kohanor-branch! thought it might save us some time later on... |
| 08:04 | chris | yup, looks all good, it merged cleanly |
| 08:04 | wasabi | evening all.. |
| 08:04 | chris | hi mason |
| 08:04 | wasabi | ... just back from the coast |
| 08:05 | chris | hows things up there? |
| 08:05 | wasabi | ive resumed work on the dreaded mutli-holds feature again.. |
| 08:05 | hdl | hi chris |
| 08:06 | wasabi | after a sweet few weeks of productive bib cleaning/re-shuffling |
| 08:06 | hdl | hi magnus and all |
| 08:06 | magnus | bonjour hdl |
| 08:06 | hdl | wasabi: we did some work on that too |
| 08:06 | wasabi | heya folks |
| 08:07 | w00t, great news hdl | |
| 08:07 | chris | cool |
| 08:08 | hdl | was committed on our master. |
| 08:08 | and pushed | |
| 08:08 | wasabi | to http://git.biblibre.com ? |
| 08:08 | ahh, to k-c.org? | |
| 08:09 | chris | might want to pull that off into a branch based off kc/master wasabi |
| 08:09 | and then merge in your stuffs | |
| 08:10 | wasabi | hdl: ahh, i understand now |
| 08:10 | thank you, i'll take a look tonight! | |
| 08:12 | wow! biblibre has a SOLR branch :) | |
| 08:12 | hdl | wasabi: not yet. |
| 08:13 | We diverged quite a bit. | |
| 08:14 | we would have to rebase and re test all the stuff. | |
| 08:19 | Amit | heya wasabi |
| 08:23 | wasabi | heya amit :) |
| 08:25 | ive been very keen to see SOLR's asian/CJK character-searching in action | |
| 08:43 | chris | http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/20[…]program/day1.html |
| 08:43 | http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/20[…]gram/bio.html#lee kristina has been putting the bios up | |
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| 08:50 | kf | chris: I like the new format |
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| 09:05 | kf | thinking about migration - can u use the offline circulation format for migration of checkouts? and is the format documented somewhere? |
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| 09:10 | chris | you'd need to ask kyle |
| 09:11 | kf | chris: yep, I thought there was documentation on the old wiki, but can not find it |
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| 09:18 | magnus | kf: yes you can use it for migrating checkouts, i have done it... ;-) |
| 09:18 | kf | magnus: do you have some documentation? |
| 09:19 | or an example file? | |
| 09:19 | I read some people used it for migration and I think it would solve a lot of my problems to do it this way | |
| 09:20 | chris | if you find some, please put it on the wiki :) |
| 09:20 | magnus | here is the script i used: http://github.com/MagnusEnger/[…]er/tidem/loans.pl much of it is about parsing the data (which was in html!!!) |
| 09:22 | and i had to convert from biblionumber to item-barcode and patron id to patron barcode | |
| 09:23 | kf | hm an example file perhaps? |
| 09:24 | magnus | um, what kind of file? input? output? |
| 09:24 | kf | what you loaded into koha |
| 09:24 | although chris seems to think I am a developer - Im not good in reading code | |
| 09:25 | magnus | :-) |
| 09:25 | kf | (and not a developer, but no time to argue about that now) |
| 09:25 | magnus | an easy way to look at the format is to install one of the offline tools and do some sample "transactions" |
| 09:26 | kf | if you get it to work |
| 09:26 | but perhaps the way to go | |
| 09:26 | magnus | can you read this? "$borrowdate\tissue\t$patron_barcode\t$book_barcode\n" |
| 09:26 | chris | if you send a patch, you're a developer |
| 09:27 | kf | chris: ok, so perhaps we need to argue about the definition ;) |
| 09:27 | chris | :) |
| 09:27 | kf | ok, tab separated lines |
| 09:27 | magnus | it's just date + tab + the word "issue" + tab + patron barcode + tab + book barcode |
| 09:27 | yes | |
| 09:27 | kf | ok |
| 09:28 | do you know if you can tell the due_date? | |
| 09:29 | is borrowdate the due_date or the day the item was checked out? | |
| 09:30 | magnus | the day the item was checked out - due date depends on item type etc |
| 09:30 | kf | ah ok |
| 09:30 | magnus | kf: beware of Bug 4973! |
| 09:30 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4973 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, process_koc.pl fails to process returns because of \r |
| 09:30 | kf | so I need to get that from the database |
| 09:31 | magnus | no, you just enter the patron and item barcodes, koha does the rest |
| 09:31 | just as with a regular issue | |
| 09:31 | kf | yep, but I want the due_dates to be the same as in the horizon database, so have to make sure the rules are the same and send the checkout_date :) |
| 09:32 | magnus++ | |
| 09:32 | magnus | yeah that sounds about right |
| 09:32 | thanks | |
| 09:32 | ;-) | |
| 09:32 | kf | perhaps i can buy you a beer or something in nz :) |
| 09:32 | magnus | isn't there a dump of the old wiki somwhere? |
| 09:33 | kf | yep |
| 09:33 | magnus | the first line of the .koc-file is special |
| 09:33 | kf | http://librarypolice.com/wiki.koha.org/ |
| 09:34 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ation_file_format is not there | |
| 09:34 | or I was not able to open it | |
| 09:34 | chris | kf: buy him one of these http://epicbeer.com/epic-pale-ale/ |
| 09:36 | * kf | never drinks beer, so he must choose one himself |
| 09:36 | magnus | me? never drinks beer either... |
| 09:37 | kf | hm |
| 09:37 | ok, so it's something else :) | |
| 09:37 | ice cream? | |
| 09:37 | magnus | :-) |
| 09:38 | hm, i think i deleted the koc files after i was finnished with them... trying some alternatives | |
| 09:39 | chris | wine? |
| 09:39 | vodka? | |
| 09:39 | * chris | has heard about scandanavians :-) |
| 09:40 | kf | magnus: I will try to generate a line as you suggested |
| 09:41 | * magnus | is rather difficult in that respect... port wine, islay single malt, cider... |
| 09:41 | kf | if it does not work, I know where to find you ;) |
| 09:41 | chris | ahh, i know some ppl who will be happen to drink whisky with you :) and we make some ok cider here too |
| 09:42 | magnus | chris: ok cider sounds interesting... ;-) |
| 09:43 | kf | alcohol always make me talk too much |
| 09:43 | if you let me drink something you have to live with it :) | |
| 09:43 | magnus | kf: the first line should look something like "Version=1.0Generator=kocQt4GeneratorVersion=1.0" the first "version" is important, the import tool will not process anything else than 1.0. the other two can be anything, i think |
| 09:44 | kf | great, thx |
| 09:44 | magnus | oops, that should be "Version=1.0 + tab + Generator=kocQt4 + tab + GeneratorVersion=1.0" |
| 09:45 | kf: here we go: http://librarypolice.com/wiki.[…]_file_format.html | |
| 09:45 | kf | magnus: I was missing the .html :) |
| 09:46 | magnus | i'll put that in the new wiki |
| 09:46 | yep | |
| 09:46 | kf | magnus++ |
| 09:49 | magnus | thanks again! ;-) |
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| 09:54 | magnus | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ation_file_format |
| 09:55 | chris | sweet |
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| 09:59 | * kf | adds bookmark |
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| 10:04 | * magnus | goes in search of lunch |
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| 10:04 | * kf | is eating at computer |
| 10:17 | kf | @marc 035 |
| 10:17 | munin | kf: A control number of a system other than the one whose control number is contained in field 001 (Control Number), field 010 (Library of Congress Control Number) or field 016 (National Bibliographic Agency Control Number). (Repeatable) [a,z,6,8] |
| 11:13 | * magnus | read that as "kf is eating a computer"... |
| 11:13 | kf | mmh yummy |
| 11:13 | ;) | |
| 11:14 | but it was salad from green beans | |
| 11:18 | magnus | sounds slightly more tasty :-) |
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| 11:19 | kf | :) |
| 11:19 | * magnus | just signed up for the "Levin Mayoral Reception and Marae Visit" http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/20[…]am/levintrip.html |
| 11:20 | kf | oh |
| 11:20 | I did not now you had to sign up for it in advance | |
| 11:20 | hope there is enough money on my paypal account :) | |
| 11:21 | magnus | there was an e-mail on the lists just now, with the link |
| 11:23 | hdl | hi nengard |
| 11:24 | nengard | hiya hdl |
| 11:30 | * kf | just signed up for "Levin Mayoral Reception and Marae Visit" |
| 11:31 | magnus | woohoo! |
| 11:32 | kf | :) |
| 11:32 | yay! | |
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| 11:34 | magnus | yay indeed! |
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| 11:46 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha |
| 11:47 | jwagner | Morning jcamins |
| 11:47 | jcamins | kf: You're welcome. |
| 11:49 | jwagner: I made a cookie for you, too. Hopefully you like curry coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies. | |
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| 11:52 | smustafa | Hello,,, |
| 11:52 | I don't know if anyone can see what I am typing | |
| 11:52 | I am using the Web IRC | |
| 11:52 | jcamins | smustafa: it's working, go ahead. |
| 11:53 | smustafa | alright :). I was invited by Chris so I may get help in setting up a Koha development environment :) |
| 11:53 | I got to the point of creating a clone, + a branch | |
| 11:53 | but no idea on how to access this branch from a different physical machine and commit/update | |
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| 11:54 | jcamins | smustafa: the way I dealt with that is by creating a github account. |
| 11:54 | smustafa | I can't create a github account because my company does not want its modifications to be public |
| 11:54 | jwagner | jcamins and kf, I have a whole pile of cookies on my desk this morning. Some are for you (virtually anyway) :-) |
| 11:55 | jcamins | smustafa: In that case, I'm out of ideas. |
| 11:55 | jwagner: Thanks! | |
| 11:55 | kf | cookies! |
| 11:55 | thx jwagner :) | |
| 11:55 | owen | jwagner: Starting the morning with a pile of cookies sounds like a recipe for a mid-morning nap |
| 11:56 | smustafa | its alright... |
| 11:56 | I did this first on my dev-server | |
| 11:56 | sudo git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git koha-clone | |
| 11:56 | kf | smustafa: I think it's possible, you wrote your git branch is on a server |
| 11:56 | smustafa | then sudo git branch --track MSDR-Branch origin/master |
| 11:56 | kf | smustafa: the problem is - I have never done that :( perhaps try later when chris is here, he knows a lot about git |
| 11:56 | or gmcharlt | |
| 11:56 | smustafa | ok I shall wait :) |
| 11:57 | kf | ah, chris answered your mail |
| 11:58 | smustafa | Yes, he informed me to get on Chat :) |
| 11:58 | and here I am :) hehe | |
| 11:58 | jwagner | Speaking of gmcharlt, anybody seen him lately? Got a question for him. |
| 11:58 | owen, that's why I brought the cookies into the office -- so other people would eat them, not me :-) | |
| 11:59 | kf | smustafa: yep, but check your mail, there is a new one for git branches |
| 11:59 | smustafa: he answered on koha-devel | |
| 12:01 | jwagner | @seen gmcharlt |
| 12:01 | munin | jwagner: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 week, 4 days, 16 hours, 20 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> wizzyrea: 0470034548 |
| 12:02 | kf | wow |
| 12:02 | vacation? | |
| 12:02 | jwagner | Is he actually taking a vacation??? |
| 12:02 | What an interesting concept. I should try it sometime.... | |
| 12:02 | kf | :) |
| 12:02 | me too | |
| 12:02 | owen | Vacation, with a release to manage? |
| 12:03 | jwagner | Maybe someone else can answer what I was going to ask him. I sent a patch out Friday morning, but it occurred to me later that I never saw it come across the patches list. Did anyone else see it? |
| 12:03 | Before I send some others, want to make sure they're getting through. | |
| 12:03 | smustafa | actually I understood his e-mail |
| 12:03 | The problem is, it refers to my local laptop | |
| 12:03 | owen | jwagner: I don't see anything from you |
| 12:03 | smustafa | But how will this work when we have a team of people trying to work on this same MSDR-Branch |
| 12:04 | Thats what I dont know how to do.. | |
| 12:04 | chris | smustafa: exactly the same way, they just clone from the server too |
| 12:04 | jwagner | Verifying the address -- koha-patcheslists.koha-community.org ? |
| 12:04 | chris | to their machines |
| 12:04 | jwagner: yes | |
| 12:04 | smustafa | Dear Chris, I am unsure of how to clone this [branch] |
| 12:04 | chris | its in the email |
| 12:04 | smustafa | I only know how to clone the main repository...that smy problem :( |
| 12:05 | chris | when you clone, you get the repository |
| 12:05 | then you checkout the branch you want | |
| 12:05 | git clone ssh://usernameservername.or.ip/path/to/kohaclone kohaclone |
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| 12:05 | jcamins | kf: I heard back from my acquaintance in the MARC standards office at LC. He passed my query on to someone else in the office. |
| 12:05 | chris | git checkout -b MSDR-Branch --track origin/MSDR-Branc |
| 12:05 | h | |
| 12:05 | smustafa | oh ok...I see... |
| 12:06 | ok I shall try that then. . So to summarize, I must clone the [origional cloned repository] | |
| 12:06 | then I checkout the MSDR-Branch | |
| 12:06 | right? | |
| 12:06 | chris | yes |
| 12:06 | smustafa | oh ok, thanks alot chris. Helpful as always :) |
| 12:07 | chris | is there a reason why your changes can't be public? |
| 12:07 | smustafa | actually I work for a semi-government company |
| 12:07 | kf | jwagner: you are subscribed? (I forget about that always) |
| 12:07 | smustafa | so they are pretty weird about it, eventhough nothing is sensitive.. |
| 12:07 | but I dont know.. | |
| 12:07 | chris | it might be nice to explain to them how gpl works :-) |
| 12:07 | smustafa | hehe :) I shall |
| 12:08 | again, than you very much for your patience | |
| 12:08 | chris | np, good luck |
| 12:08 | smustafa | :) |
| 12:08 | nengard | chris do you know of a deadline to register for the Levin trip? |
| 12:08 | I ask cause I'll put it in the newsletter if the deadline is after the publication date | |
| 12:08 | kf - I too have bought my tickets :) | |
| 12:09 | chris | up until the day before the trip afaik |
| 12:09 | kf | jcamins: thx! hope you will get an answer :) |
| 12:09 | nengard | cool - i'll put it in the newsletter then |
| 12:09 | kf | nengard: makes at least 3 attendees now :) |
| 12:09 | nengard | 4 if you're not counting my hubby |
| 12:10 | kf | ah, right :) |
| 12:10 | chris | its not everyday you get a full mayoral reception |
| 12:10 | nengard | I know!!! |
| 12:10 | that is so awesome :) | |
| 12:10 | I'm so excited - and it's august already!!! that's 2 months left!! | |
| 12:11 | and for me it's going to be a crazy 2 months while i try to cram in all of the training before I leave for NZ | |
| 12:11 | kf | do I have to pack formal clothes then? |
| 12:11 | chris | 83 days |
| 12:11 | nengard | that's a good question kf |
| 12:11 | chris | naw |
| 12:11 | nengard | I didn't think about that .... |
| 12:11 | chris | just tidy |
| 12:11 | nengard | oh good! |
| 12:11 | kf | puh |
| 12:11 | * kf | owns no formal clothes :) |
| 12:12 | * nengard | owns no formal clothes that fit |
| 12:12 | nengard | :) |
| 12:12 | brb | |
| 12:12 | smustafa | exit |
| 12:12 | * magnus | is happy to leave the suit at home... |
| 12:12 | jcamins | Wonderful... every time the air conditioning switches, my wireless goes out. |
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| 12:13 | kf | :) |
| 12:13 | * kf | don't want to wait 83 more days to meet you all |
| 12:13 | chris | well you'll meet magnus about 3 days before then, and slef and paul and hdl |
| 12:14 | * magnus | thinks those 83 days will just fly by |
| 12:14 | kf | chris: you are right :) |
| 12:15 | chris | kf: kristina who wrote the email, moved to nz from luxembourg about 3 months ago |
| 12:15 | * nengard | has already met chris (when he helped me move into my house) and hdl and paul and magnus |
| 12:15 | nengard | and a lot of the US people too of course :) |
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| 12:15 | magnus | so chris does housemoving too? |
| 12:15 | smustafa | Chris, sorry but you mentioned that I should use the 3.0x |
| 12:15 | rather than the master head. | |
| 12:16 | Will I face issues in the future if I use the MASTER, rather than 3.0.6? | |
| 12:16 | Because I want to always be up to date with Koha, not just the 3.0.x versions.. | |
| 12:16 | chris | kf: and munich before that, so you can speak german with her |
| 12:17 | nengard | magnus it's a great story, chris is just an all around nice guy :) |
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| 12:17 | chris | smustafa: you may want to have both a 3.0.x and a master branch |
| 12:17 | kf | kf: hope I can speak English to her and all others (and being understood) |
| 12:17 | magnus | hehe, that's what i thought |
| 12:18 | chris | kf: im sure you can, but just in case you get stuck and cant think of a word :-) |
| 12:18 | * jcamins | thinks he will be lonely in #koha in October :'( |
| 12:18 | chris | http://virtualbreath.net/curio[…]es-of-wellington/ |
| 12:19 | jcamins: i'm sure we will still be on #koha from time to time, i was at the last 2 kohacon :) | |
| 12:19 | smustafa | thanks Chris, :) |
| 12:19 | bye everyone | |
| 12:19 | kf | chris: I already tell my coworkers "no worries" just for practice ;) |
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| 12:19 | chris | heh |
| 12:19 | owen | jcamins: You can I can hang around here and feel sorry for ourselves |
| 12:20 | jwagner | Just tried resending that patch -- someone let me know if you see it? |
| 12:21 | owen and jcamins, I'll probably be here too :-( | |
| 12:22 | chris | nope not yet |
| 12:22 | hdl: you around? | |
| 12:23 | hdl | chris yes. |
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| 12:23 | chris | can you check if jwagners patch is stuck somewhere? |
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| 12:24 | hdl | no patch stuck here. |
| 12:24 | jwagner | chris, I'm thinking there's a problem with outgoing mail on that server -- just tried sending the patch to my own address & it hasn't come through. |
| 12:24 | chris | sounds likely |
| 12:24 | jwagner | I'll have druthb check the server later. |
| 12:24 | hdl | use smtp-server.... option |
| 12:24 | jwagner | Thanks for looking |
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| 12:25 | chris | thanks hdl |
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| 12:25 | hdl | jwagner: git send-email --smtp-server smtp.wtf.net --to kc.org 0001 |
| 12:26 | jwagner | where 0001 is the name of the patch? |
| 12:26 | hdl | yep |
| 12:26 | smtp.wtf.net to be changed to the external smtp you want to use. | |
| 12:26 | jwagner | Unable to initialize SMTP properly. Is there something wrong with your config? |
| 12:26 | That's what _I'm_ asking :-) | |
| 12:27 | chris | heh, wtf.net is a real site |
| 12:27 | hdl | oops. |
| 12:27 | chris | they seriously should rebrand :) |
| 12:27 | hdl | hehe |
| 12:27 | chris | http://wtf.net/index.cfm |
| 12:27 | jwagner | This is my standard head devel server & I've sent lots of patches before, dunno what's gone wrong now. But I'll let the expert fix it :-) (Cookies will make a timely bribe....) |
| 12:28 | Oh, well, off to do a test dataload for a new site :-( | |
| 12:32 | kf | jwagner: save some cookies |
| 12:32 | perhaps you will need them ;) | |
| 12:35 | jcamins | It's hard to believe sometimes that anyone ever learns to catalog. |
| 12:35 | The combination of MARC and AACR2 may be the most byzantine system ever invented. | |
| 12:36 | chris | RDA will fix it all |
| 12:36 | magnus | jcamins: hehe i bet if you examine a number of marc records in the wild you will find any number of inconsistensies, local practices etc etc |
| 12:36 | chris: if you can afford the subscription, that is | |
| 12:37 | jcamins | magnus: That is very true. One just need look at the ANS's catalog to see proof of that. ;) |
| 12:37 | chris | magnus: you ruined my sarcasm with reality ;-) |
| 12:38 | magnus | sorry |
| 12:38 | chris | hehe |
| 12:38 | magnus | ;-) |
| 12:38 | chris | RDA is pretty much the ultimate in design by committee |
| 12:38 | jcamins | Why chris, do I detect a note of scorn towards our tilting-at-windmills white-knight-saviour, RDA? |
| 12:38 | chris | and it once again shows, you SHOULD NEVER DO THAT |
| 12:39 | * magnus | thinks RDA will never ever take off - but has some hope for semantic/linked data... |
| 12:39 | chris | yeah, linked data is gettng lots of traction outside libraryland |
| 12:41 | jcamins | I guess my interns probably should know about 245$h. |
| 12:43 | It seems to me that ILSes should automatically associate punctuation with the subfield following. | |
| 12:43 | kf | jcamins: I'm with you on that... |
| 12:44 | jcamins: I know not many systems using marc21 in cataloging, but I think I remember none that could do that | |
| 12:44 | owen | Re: encoding scratch pad, how do we know what content from the old wiki can be copied directly? Or do we have to re-write everything? |
| 12:44 | kf | jcamins: the isbd punctuaion is not looking good everywhere, for example in notices |
| 12:44 | chris | that one would need a rewrite |
| 12:44 | joshua wrote it originally | |
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| 12:44 | owen | Oh I see the problematic author right there at the top, yes. |
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| 12:45 | kf | ok, going to talk migration to my programming coworker bbl |
| 12:45 | owen | Another mess left behind by our former benefactor. |
| 12:45 | chris | im not sure its even applicable anymore |
| 12:46 | jcamins | Wow! That's a lot of new MARC fields. |
| 12:47 | chris | yeah, more fields, .... thats what we need |
| 12:47 | * chris | goes to bed |
| 12:50 | jcamins | DNB++ # for proposing an addition to Leader/18 to specify ISBD formatting without punctuation at the end of fields |
| 12:51 | Er, that would be the Deutche National Bibliothek, not Dictionary of National Biography. | |
| 12:51 | Deutsche | |
| 13:06 | nengard | owen chris - ooops - i just added it to the wiki - so someone can either delete it or edit it to make it unique |
| 13:07 | trying to get things done quickly this AM before I leave for a series of dr appts - they all wanted to see me today - which is fine cause after this week i'm crazy busy again | |
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| 13:53 | jwagner | Can someone give me some history? It looks like in older Koha (roughly 3.01.00.032) in the OPAX XSLT results list the shelving location displayed. Somewhere along the line, that was removed and now it just shows branchcode followed by call number. Is that correct? |
| 13:53 | If so, was there a reason for removing shelving location? | |
| 13:54 | owen | jwagner: See if you can track down the change in git. |
| 13:54 | jwagner | That's where I was headed next -- was just hoping someone remembered :-( |
| 13:54 | owen | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]96ab43387;hb=HEAD |
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| 14:14 | jwagner | Never mind -- the shelving location shows when XSLT is not enabled for results list. Didn't notice that.... |
| 14:15 | Would people find it useful to include shelving location in the XSLT results list? I had been thinking about a mod to have a syspref control whether it showed or not, because sites with a lot of branches might want to reduce the clutter. Same for call number. | |
| 14:17 | owen | If someone found it useful to see it in the non-XSLT results I would think it would be useful in the XSLT results |
| 14:18 | There's already an OPACItemsResultsDisplay system preference | |
| 14:20 | jwagner | Yes, and that's set to itemdetails which is supposed to be branch+location+callnumber -- but the XSLT doesn't seem to be set to show location |
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| 14:49 | Drakmor | Hey, exactly how unstable is koha 3.2? |
| 14:50 | chris_n` | quite actually |
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| 14:52 | Drakmor | ok... I've been having troubles with barcodes.... and was wondering if updating was worth it. |
| 14:54 | owen | chris_n: You would classify 3.2 as unstable? |
| 14:58 | Drakmor | I don't know if it is or not.... I only recently found out about the koha-commmunity site.... haven't really had the time to look through it. |
| 14:59 | chris_n | owen: opps |
| 14:59 | * chris_n | suddenly realizes it is Monday |
| 14:59 | chris_n | Drakmor: quite stable is what I intended to say |
| 15:00 | I have it in production use as do others | |
| 15:00 | Drakmor | I see, big difference there. |
| 15:00 | * chris_n | goes back to digging out of his 'inbox' |
| 15:00 | Drakmor | I'm currently using 3.0... |
| 15:00 | it sort of works, but of course there's problems. | |
| 15:00 | chris_n | Drakmor: 3.2 has a massive labels re-write in it |
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| 15:02 | Drakmor | Everything else works for us, other than labels. |
| 15:03 | First, Koha can't search the books by aquisition date, and also the printing is screwed up... I suppose we could use premade ones... | |
| 15:08 | any idea about that? | |
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| 15:18 | Drakmor | or just updating koha in general? |
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| 15:30 | jcamins | jwagner: We use shelving location, and need it to display in the results screen. |
| 15:31 | I have a bug somewhere. | |
| 15:31 | I thik. | |
| 15:31 | *think | |
| 15:31 | *bug report | |
| 15:32 | Or not. | |
| 15:32 | jwagner | jcamins, thanks. I can see that it would be very useful for some sites. But I can also see that with 30-40 branches, the screen clutter gets overwhelming. That's why I'm thinking syspref(s) to control both shelving location & callnum display in the XSLT results list. |
| 15:32 | jcamins | Yeah, sysprefs would be great. |
| 15:32 | jwagner | OK, another thing to put on my list.... |
| 15:32 | jcamins | The lack of sysprefs would be why our local modifications remain local modifications. |
| 15:34 | jwagner | Yes, I'm all for making things site controllable rather than hardcoding changes. |
| 15:34 | kf | jwagner++ :) |
| 15:34 | jwagner | Even if the sysprefs do proliferate like paperclips or wire coat hangers in dark corners :-) |
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| 15:34 | kf | jcamins: are u using koha without isbd punctuation? |
| 15:35 | jcamins: there are a lot of chnages caused by DNB | |
| 15:35 | jcamins | kf: No, but I desperately want to. |
| 15:35 | kf | jcamins: you will have display problems in some places |
| 15:35 | short titles don't look very good without isbd punctuation | |
| 15:35 | jcamins | Oh, I'm not leaving out isbd punctuation until Koha supports automatically associating isbd punctuation with the following subfields. |
| 15:35 | kf | we have them.. sometimes they make me happy, sometimes not. we added them to the format for koha, German exchange format was planned without isbd punctuation |
| 15:36 | jcamins | I'm just writing our cataloging documenation. |
| 15:36 | kf | oh, and no isbd format withoug punctuation |
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| 15:36 | kf | in catalog and opac you can add them now with xslt in many places... I m not sure you really need them. perhaps add some titles and test |
| 15:37 | Drakmor | Hey, how do I update koha 3.0 to 3.2? |
| 15:37 | kf | jcamins: but I would really like if koha would support cataloging without isbd punctuation |
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| 15:39 | jcamins | kf: That's brilliant! I have a stylesheet that already adds some isbd punctuation. When I get a chance, I'll just make it add all, then somehow persuade it to play with the Koha stylesheets. |
| 15:40 | kf | jcamins: but this will not work for isbd format |
| 15:40 | xslt detail, but not results in staff | |
| 15:40 | not for notices (altough that is no great loss) | |
| 15:41 | isbd punctuation is one of the things that drive me crazy | |
| 15:41 | jwagner | jcamins and kf, see Bug 5079 |
| 15:41 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5079 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Make display of shelving location and call number in XSLT results controlled by sysprefs |
| 15:42 | owen | jwagner: Why not have it be controlled by the existing system preference? |
| 15:43 | jwagner | Which one? |
| 15:43 | the itemstatus one? | |
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| 15:43 | owen | OPACItemsResultsDisplay |
| 15:44 | jwagner | It could be done to a degree -- make XSLT pay attention to that syspref first of all, then use it to control display. The main thing is that it would lump both shelving location and call number into the same on/off switch. I think some sites might want to show one but not the other. |
| 15:44 | jcamins | Any suggestions what kind of cookie I should bake tonight? This is definitely a day that requires baking cookies. |
| 15:45 | jwagner | jcamins, how about byte-sized cookies? |
| 15:45 | * jwagner | hides under the desk, now. |
| 15:45 | owen | If so then I think the scope of the bug should be "separate control of shelving location and call numbers and have it apply to both standard and XSLT display" |
| 15:45 | jwagner | owen, comment in the bug report & let's get some discussion -- I need input on what most sites would like. |
| 15:46 | I know what _I'd_ like, but that's not always the best solution for everyone :-) | |
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| 15:52 | jcamins | jwagner: it is a testament to how lousy my day is going that I appreciated your pun. ;) |
| 15:52 | jwagner++ # mostly for bug 5079, but also for bad puns | |
| 15:52 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5079 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Make display of shelving location and call number in XSLT results controlled by sysprefs |
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| 15:53 | kf | jcamins: chocolate peanut butter cookies? |
| 15:54 | jcamins | Mmm. Those sound good. Thanks. :D |
| 15:54 | jwagner | kf, with caramel and praline swirls? Let's get the sugar level UP! |
| 15:56 | kf | jwagner: caramel is a really good idea :) |
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| 15:57 | * jwagner | is now hungry. Goes to raid the box of cookies that I brought in for others.... |
| 15:59 | owen | Hey everyone, please attach patches to the bug report. I really hate seeing "patch-sent" but reports with no attachments. |
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| 16:14 | owen | fredericd's patch for Bug 4305 seems to work great. |
| 16:14 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4305 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED, Amazon book covers do not work with ISBN13 |
| 16:14 | owen | It'd be great to be able to close that bug |
| 16:19 | jcamins | I need a report of how many barcodes have been entered in our system. |
| 16:19 | I tried this: SELECT count(barcode) FROM items WHERE barcode IS NOT NULL | |
| 16:19 | It gives me the error message '1' when I try to save it. | |
| 16:20 | Wait, no, just kidding. | |
| 16:20 | Apparently Koha doesn't like spaces at the beginning of queries. | |
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| 16:24 | owen | nengard: I'd be interested in hearing your comments on the current state of Bug 2749 |
| 16:24 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2749 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, NEW, No dislay of GMD (245h) if XSLT is off |
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| 16:24 | nengard | owen - will try to look before i leave again |
| 16:24 | owen | No rush |
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| 16:45 | owen | nengard: If you classify both 245b and 245h as "subtitle" in Keywords to MARC mapping they both show up |
| 16:46 | nengard | seems like a work around - not a fix. I'd tell people they can do that to get around the problem, but we still should have a fix |
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| 17:45 | kf | time to go home, now that the rain has stopped - bye all |
| 17:45 | jcamins | Bye kf |
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| 18:52 | jwagner | Somebody recently was talking about setting up lexile searching/display -- anyone remember who that was? I don't see any current bugzilla entries on the topic. |
| 18:54 | cait | jwagner: I think the patch was sent |
| 18:54 | and I thought it was integrated hm | |
| 18:54 | jwagner | Hmmm. I searched bugzilla for resolved & closed too, still didn't find anything. Maybe a patch was sent without a bugzilla entry? |
| 18:54 | cait | search google lexile and koha |
| 18:55 | I have problems with my browser not showing the url, don't want to restart it right now | |
| 18:56 | http://www.mail-archive.com/ko[…]org/msg04132.html | |
| 18:56 | jwagner | I found some recent listserv traffic. Looks like it's indexed, I just need to check the display stuff. |
| 18:56 | cait | http://www.mail-archive.com/ko[…]org/msg04132.html |
| 18:57 | sorry, copy and paste while cuttng vegetables... | |
| 18:57 | [Koha-patches] [PATCH] Patch of Lexile Search box on Opac advancesearch page | |
| 19:05 | jwagner | cait++ # Thanks! I _knew_ I remembered something. |
| 19:06 | I'm not seeing that feature in my latest head version, though -- wonder if the patch ever got pushed? | |
| 19:06 | cait | it seems the first one was, there is a comment from gmcharlt |
| 19:08 | gmcharlt | jwagner: fda681b2d037e0d64d8ed71272b17e67b2b3db8e |
| 19:09 | * gmcharlt | pauses to contemplate that he can emit random hexadecimal numbers in #koha and be perfectly understood |
| 19:09 | * jwagner | bows in admiration :-) |
| 19:09 | jcamins | Would you like me to pretend I don't know what that means, to bring our normal quotient up a bit? |
| 19:10 | jwagner | gmcharlt, that commit is adding the indexes, but I don't see the patch cait referred to, that adds a search box to the advanced search screen |
| 19:10 | Patch from Amit on Jan 20, 2010 | |
| 19:11 | cait | jcamins: do we want to be normal? |
| 19:11 | jcamins | cait: No, probably not. |
| 19:11 | jwagner | cait, we ARE normal. It's the rest of the world that's slightly off.... |
| 19:15 | cait | :) |
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| 19:53 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 19:53 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.9�C (12:55 PM PDT on August 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling). |
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| 20:00 | nengard | check it out - the Koha newsletter is cataloged by LOC : http://www.worldcat.org/title/[…]er/oclc/550595069 |
| 20:02 | chris_n | oooh nice |
| 20:03 | jcamins | Perhaps we should add a holdings... |
| 20:05 | A shame it wouldn't show up in WorldCat. | |
| 20:09 | * magnus | wonders where "Fairless Hills, PA" is... |
| 20:09 | chris_n | @wunder Fairless Hills, PA |
| 20:09 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Mercer County, Ewing, New Jersey is 28.2�C (4:15 PM EDT on August 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:10 | chris_n | munin? |
| 20:10 | PA in NJ? | |
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| 20:17 | nengard | magnus and chris_n it's 45 min north of Philly |
| 20:17 | and 5 min south of Trenton NJ | |
| 20:17 | which is why it's showing NJ weather I guess | |
| 20:18 | magnus | nengard: it's where you live? |
| 20:18 | nengard | yes |
| 20:18 | i'm the one who submitted the application for an ISSN | |
| 20:18 | and I had to put a location on it :) | |
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| 20:21 | magnus | :-) |
| 20:32 | chris_n | nengard++ |
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| 20:34 | chris | morning |
| 20:34 | nengard | morning chris |
| 20:35 | chris_n | heya chris |
| 20:36 | magnus | morning chris |
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| 20:49 | cait | morning chris |
| 20:50 | chris | hiya cait |
| 20:52 | cait | a new day for you, time for bed here :) |
| 20:52 | bye all | |
| 20:54 | chris | cya |
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