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| 01:04 | chris | hey alan |
| 01:04 | alan | hi chris |
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| 01:18 | chris_n | atz: grow any jalapenos this year? |
| 01:19 | chris | ohh jalapenos |
| 01:21 | * chris_n | made omlets with some he grew the other night |
| 01:23 | atz | chris_n: no hot peppers at all this year... still have the dried ones strung up from previous years |
| 01:23 | i'm almost exclusively on tomatoes and herbs | |
| 01:24 | chris_n | ahh |
| 01:24 | atz | cherokee purple tomatoes are growing like crazy w/ all the rain we've been having... baseball sized already |
| 01:24 | chris_n | are they really purple? |
| 01:26 | atz | yeah they're a deep maroon color w/ green streaks, so purple is a pretty decent approximation |
| 01:26 | http://www.seedsavers.org/Details.aspx?itemNo=253 | |
| 01:27 | chris_n | nice site |
| 01:28 | rhcl | I'm growing, like I always do, Dixie Golden Giants. I buy my seed from seedsavers. |
| 01:29 | rhcl is now known as rhcl_away | |
| 01:29 | atz | rhcl: cool. strange coincidence too. no dixies here though. |
| 01:30 | chris_n | I'm used to buying in large quantities from Seedway and Johnnies, but this year have cut back dramatically |
| 01:30 | down from 2.5 acres to about 0.75 | |
| 01:32 | atz | 2.5 acres is friggin' 'uuge |
| 01:34 | * andy | wants to do http://www.landshare.net/ for NZ ... I think that'd be awesome |
| 01:34 | andy is now known as chilts | |
| 01:35 | chris_n | you said it... we used to sell a ton of produce |
| 01:35 | but it just got to be too much trouble | |
| 01:35 | atz | yeah, you'd have to... either that or be feeding an army |
| 01:35 | chris_n | that looks like a cool idea chilts |
| 01:37 | * chris_n | would offer chilts some of his land to tend... but... :-) |
| 01:38 | heads off to read to his 4 year old daughter | |
| 01:39 | chris | hmmm |
| 01:40 | im trying to get queens fool to return queen's fool | |
| 01:40 | not having much luck though | |
| 01:42 | Joann | back now |
| 01:43 | chris | ack meeting now |
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| 06:05 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 06:08 | Ropuch | Good morning |
| 06:10 | cait | hi Ropuch |
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| 06:53 | kf | morning |
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| 08:08 | chris | hi kf |
| 08:09 | jransom | hiya |
| 08:09 | kf is wondering about acquisitions | |
| 08:10 | chris | i sent some patches today kf, that fix a couple of things, i have another one thats to do with tax and exchange rate conversions |
| 08:11 | kf | hi |
| 08:12 | chris | you guys see this? |
| 08:12 | http://www.esilibrary.com/esi/newsitem.php?id=134 | |
| 08:12 | kf | chris: do you have one for bug 4438? |
| 08:12 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4438 major, P5, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED, incorrect "Budget total exceeds period allocation" error when editing fund |
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| 08:17 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:18 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 25.0�C (10:00 AM CEST on July 14, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling). |
| 08:18 | chris | hmm nope, havent bumped into that one yet |
| 08:19 | ill try to take a look tomorrow | |
| 08:21 | kf | chris: thx! |
| 08:21 | jransom: still around? | |
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| 10:34 | chilts | chris: hey, that's awesome news for galen and Equinox! |
| 10:47 | chris | yep |
| 10:47 | * chris | settles in to watch a little bit of the tour before sleep |
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| 11:16 | druthb | hello, #koha |
| 11:36 | kf_lunch | hi druthb ;) |
| 11:36 | kf_lunch is now known as kf | |
| 11:36 | druthb | hi, kf! :D |
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| 11:43 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 11:43 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 28.8�C (1:43 PM CEST on July 14, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Steady). |
| 11:43 | kf | @wunder singen germany |
| 11:43 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Bodensee, Ramsen, Germany is 29.7�C (1:01 PM CEST on July 14, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Steady). |
| 11:48 | jwagner | @wunder 20817 |
| 11:48 | munin | jwagner: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 21.3�C (7:48 AM EDT on July 14, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Steady). |
| 11:53 | kf | hi jwagner |
| 11:54 | jwagner | Morning, kf |
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| 12:05 | owen | Hi #koha |
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| 12:09 | jwagner | Morning, owen |
| 12:10 | kf | hi owen |
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| 12:17 | jwagner | Happy Bastille Day, paul! |
| 12:19 | kf | oh, yesterday was "embrace your geekness day" |
| 12:20 | jwagner | kf, some of us do that every day :-) |
| 12:20 | kf | :) |
| 12:22 | owen | Nothing says "embracing my geekness" like participating in an IRC meeting about software licenses! |
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| 12:23 | kf | @quote add owen: Nothing says "embracing my geekness" like participating in an IRC meeting about software licenses! |
| 12:23 | munin | kf: The operation succeeded. Quote #85 added. |
| 12:23 | kf | @quote 85 |
| 12:23 | munin | kf: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "85" in it. Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin. |
| 12:23 | kf | @quote |
| 12:23 | munin | kf: Error: "quote" is not a valid command. |
| 12:25 | jwagner | @quote #85 |
| 12:25 | munin | jwagner: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "#85" in it. Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin. |
| 12:25 | jwagner | munin must not be sharing the geekiness |
| 12:25 | munin | jwagner: Error: "must" is not a valid command. |
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| 12:35 | owen | Only three bugs away from Bug number 5000 |
| 12:36 | * jwagner | hunts around for bugs.... |
| 12:48 | owen | Now only two bugs away :P |
| 12:49 | * magnus | thinks having a csv2marc script in koha is a good idea |
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| 12:53 | jwagner | gmcharlt, online? |
| 12:53 | gmcharlt | hi jwagner |
| 12:54 | jwagner | Hi there. Do you know what the status is of Bug 3536? |
| 12:54 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3536 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED, Checked In item requiring transfer does not consistently trigger transfer prompt |
| 12:55 | gmcharlt | I'm in the process of testing some patches for it |
| 12:56 | jwagner | So we shouldn't use the patches as posted to the bugzilla report? |
| 12:57 | gmcharlt | up to you; if you want to test as well, great |
| 12:58 | jwagner | OK, we may give it a try. Thanks. |
| 13:00 | kf | has someone added an acq framework for acquisitions? I tried but its not used in acq |
| 13:01 | not sure what my mistake is | |
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| 13:13 | kf | hi nengard |
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| 13:13 | CGI916 | hi |
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| 13:14 | CGI916 | hi |
| 13:16 | kf | nengard: I have problems adding an ACQ framework - perhaps an idea what could be wrong? my frameworkcode is ACQ and I tried FA and Default as base frameworks |
| 13:16 | nengard | kf - in training right now and can't help out ... maybe someone else can? |
| 13:17 | kf | no problem |
| 13:17 | just thought you perhaps worked with it | |
| 13:19 | jwagner | kf, is the problem in creating the framework? Or in getting acquisitions to use it? |
| 13:19 | owen | Wow, changing the templates' default encoding causes some unexpected and catastrophic errors. Fun! |
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| 13:21 | kf | jwagner: I created a framework, but acq is not ussing it |
| 13:22 | jwagner: the code is ACQ, this seems to be what is needed, but I still get the message in acq that none exists | |
| 13:22 | gmcharlt | kf: are you using memcached? |
| 13:22 | kf | gmcharlt: I'm pretty sure that no |
| 13:22 | but this is one of our isntallations at work | |
| 13:23 | CGI184 | chris_n: are you around? |
| 13:24 | Or does anyone else know much about printing barcodes and labels? | |
| 13:25 | chris_n | hi CGI184 |
| 13:25 | CGI184 | Hey, chris_n |
| 13:25 | kf | gmcharlt: what could I do if memcached was th problem? |
| 13:25 | gmcharlt | either wait 10 minutes or bounce memcached |
| 13:25 | kf | I tried looking at the code, but there was nothing obviously wrong (for me) |
| 13:26 | gmcharlt | the framework code is 'ACQ', I assume? |
| 13:27 | CGI184 | So I'm trying to print out barcode labels which include bibliographic info, such as title, author, etc., on them |
| 13:27 | kf | gmcharlt: yes |
| 13:28 | gmcharlt: I even checked the database tables | |
| 13:29 | CGI184 | I've been able to include the titles of regular English-language materials but not Korean-language materials which have romanized titles, i.e. Korean titles written not in Korean script but in the Roman/English alphabet |
| 13:32 | chris_n | CGI184: what version of Koha are you running and what error are you receiving? |
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| 13:35 | wizzyrea | @quote get 85 |
| 13:35 | munin | wizzyrea: Quote #85: "owen: Nothing says embracing my geekness like participating in an IRC meeting about software licenses!" (added by kf at 08:23 AM, July 14, 2010) |
| 13:36 | gmcharlt | kf: stepping through it, I'm pretty sure it is indeed a caching issue |
| 13:40 | CGI184 | chris_n: I'm running Koha 3.01 and when I export batches of labels to a PDF in order to print it says ~"There has been an error. the file is damaged and cannot be opened" |
| 13:40 | chris_n: I'm going to lock off and then back on again quickly | |
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| 13:41 | kf | gmcharlt: is there something I can do to find out? |
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| 13:43 | chris_n | CGI184: please open the pdf in a plain text editor and post the contents to paste.koha-community.org |
| 13:43 | also, I'd recommend updating to 3.0.6 | |
| 13:46 | druthb | @quote random |
| 13:46 | munin | druthb: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 12:04 PM, June 03, 2009) |
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| 13:58 | owen | The next lucky bug finder gets bug number 5000 |
| 13:58 | pastebot | "CGI184" at 207.239.61.162 pasted ""Tales of Korean folk painting" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/28 |
| 13:58 | jwagner | Is there a prize? TV cameras and confetti? |
| 13:59 | CGI184 | chris_n: let me know what you think. |
| 13:59 | owen | If I could pick the prize it would be that bug 5000 get fixed before someone files bug 6000 |
| 13:59 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5000 was not found. |
| 13:59 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6000 was not found. | |
| 14:00 | magnus | bug 4000 - just curious |
| 14:00 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4000 normal, P5, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, NEW, Budgets table doesn't show tree view for sub-budgets |
| 14:01 | owen | It may actually be invalid. I could use another set of eyes on that one |
| 14:02 | chris_n | CGI184: that is the complete contents of the pdf when you open it in a plain text editor? |
| 14:03 | bug 4999 | |
| 14:03 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4999 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, OPAC error pages have incorrect markup structure |
| 14:05 | CGI184 | christ_n: no, I sent the wrong file...the correct file will be up in one second |
| 14:05 | chris_n | ok |
| 14:06 | pastebot | "CGI184" at 207.239.61.162 pasted "%PDF-1.4 %âãÏÓ 4 0 obj<</T" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/29 |
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| 14:08 | chris_n | CGI184: this is an encoding problem |
| 14:08 | CGI184 | Ah, so what can be done? |
| 14:09 | chris_n | CGI184: most likely it is not fixable, however, can you post the record for the item you are trying to print the label for? |
| 14:09 | unicode and pdf do not get along well and the solution is a bit complicated | |
| 14:10 | kf | can someone else try to add an acq framework for acquisitions? |
| 14:11 | pastebot | "CGI184" at 207.239.61.162 pasted "Hanʼguk Kidokkyosa insik / Bi" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/30 |
| 14:12 | chris_n | probably the diacriticals are causing the problem |
| 14:12 | CGI184 | chris_n: diacriticals? |
| 14:12 | chris_n | but at present there is no solution for it |
| 14:13 | Chŏng-sin (the mark above the 'o') | |
| 14:13 | CGI184 | right. |
| 14:13 | the breve | |
| 14:13 | chris_n | yup |
| 14:13 | atz | there is absolutely no good solutions for unicode PDF generation via perl |
| 14:13 | * chris_n | tend to agree |
| 14:13 | chris_n | tends even |
| 14:14 | aamof, I tend to think that there is no good solution for unicode in PDF in general | |
| 14:14 | CGI184 | I see |
| 14:15 | atz | there are too many proprietary PDF generators for me to decide that definitively, but I certainly dislike the PDF implementation specs |
| 14:16 | chris_n | CGI184: you could export your labels as a csv file and then use a template in open office or some other similar app to do your labels |
| 14:16 | but that makes for a lot of work if you have many | |
| 14:16 | CGI184 | I do have many...I wouldn't mind doing it that way but the barcode never seems to show up in open office |
| 14:17 | chris_n | I think you need a barcode font, but I'm not sure about that |
| 14:18 | CGI184 | Related question, if there are no diacriticals in the title, why is Koha still not able to export to pdf? |
| 14:18 | chris_n | I'd have to see the contents of the pdf to be sure |
| 14:19 | CGI184 | I'm using Koha's label creator and pdf just happened to be the optiom which displayed the most content most accurately |
| 14:19 | * chris_n | printed nearly 7K labels with that code |
| 14:20 | CGI184 | (*option) |
| 14:20 | atz | CSV export is the most reliable |
| 14:20 | chris_n | however, we were unable to use it for our Korean collection |
| 14:20 | CGI184 | bummer |
| 14:21 | chris_n | CGI184: probably the correct solution would require writing a perl library to create pdfs which correctly implemented the specs |
| 14:22 | and then integrating that into Koha | |
| 14:22 | * chris_n | does not have time for that, though |
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| 14:24 | CGI184 | understood. New question: why do the actual barcodes no show up when I export them via csv? they show up in pdf |
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| 14:26 | chris_n | csv is text based, the barcodes are graphic objects |
| 14:26 | its up to whatever you import the csv into to handle the barcode generation at that point | |
| 14:26 | CGI184 | chris_n: so there is no way to print barcodes in csv, right? |
| 14:27 | chris_n | correct |
| 14:28 | CGI184 | could I export the barcodes from Koha into csv and then convert that into open office or something else? |
| 14:28 | chris_n | that's what I suggested above, but I've never done it myself |
| 14:28 | ok, gotta get back to a balky kerberos server | |
| 14:28 | CGI184 | thanks for the help |
| 14:29 | much appreciated, chris_n | |
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| 14:33 | owen | gmcharlt: I just sent a patch updating the OPAC for the default_encoding=HTML |
| 14:34 | I'm moving on to the staff client | |
| 14:35 | CGI184 | It seems that it is just not possible (at the moment) to print barcode titles or authors for books whose bibliographic records include any diacriticals. Does that sound correct? |
| 14:42 | kf | bug 5000 |
| 14:42 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5000 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Uncertain prices misses option to choose display language |
| 14:43 | * owen | throws confetti for kf |
| 14:43 | kf | hmpf. |
| 14:43 | :) | |
| 14:49 | CGI184 | kf/owen: When you create patches of items for which you are going to print labels, there is an option to search by when the item was added. However, this function does not seem to be working |
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| 14:52 | CGI184 | kf/owen: any ideas on the issue? |
| 14:53 | kf | CGI184: sorry, never worked with the labels module |
| 14:55 | CGI184 | Gotcha. I'm just trying to find a way to quickly pull multiple records into a batch and print labels for them. |
| 14:55 | Thanks for the reply though | |
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| 15:15 | kf | which component for missing error messages in bugzilla? (no error message when adding patron category with existing category code) |
| 15:16 | owen | Use the component specific to the page you were on |
| 15:16 | System Administration in this case I think | |
| 15:19 | kf | thx :) |
| 15:30 | bug 5002 | |
| 15:30 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5002 minor, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, No error message if category code already exists |
| 15:30 | kf | bug 5003 |
| 15:30 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5003 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Can not search for organisation by name |
| 15:32 | kf | chris_n: I think you can upload passwords for users |
| 15:33 | and I think we did, because I got no complaints :) | |
| 15:33 | * chris_n | was just fixing to correct that |
| 15:34 | chris_n | it must have been added recently? |
| 15:34 | kf | not sure, we are running 3.01.61 |
| 15:34 | chris_n | man, where was I? |
| 15:35 | kf | not sure, but you confuse me too :) |
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| 15:40 | chris_n | interesting... now I cannot seem to find the work I did in that area... :-P |
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| 15:42 | owen | chris_n: I had a similar experience yesterday... thinking, "Didn't I work on this once before?" |
| 15:43 | chris_n | ahh.. found it, only it wasn't in that section of code, but another closely related |
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| 16:02 | kf | time to leave, bye all :) |
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| 16:02 | druthb | welcome, bcaudill. |
| 16:03 | bcaudill | hiya |
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| 16:15 | * owen | had never seen the "uncertain prices" page until today |
| 16:16 | owen | I wonder why it outputs all those vendor details? Seems superfluous |
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| 16:31 | cait | chris: around? |
| 16:31 | chris_n | too early cait |
| 16:32 | cait | chris_n still worth a try - sometimes I wonder when chris actually sleeps :) |
| 16:33 | * chris_n | too |
| 16:37 | owen | Why does admin/cities.pl check for a count of instances in borrowers when deleting a city? |
| 16:37 | It's not like you can't put in a city name by hand without it being in the cities list | |
| 16:38 | Maybe I just don't want that city listed when adding a patron | |
| 16:43 | cait | not sure about that |
| 16:44 | I'm missing some links to lists with ordered / shipped books in acq | |
| 16:45 | they were on the acq start page in 3.0 | |
| 16:45 | and I gave up on the acq framework | |
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| 16:55 | cait | ok, time to catch my bus |
| 16:55 | bye again :) | |
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| 17:54 | schuster | I have a Z39.50 question. When using it to search other sources two way communication is necessary on the appropriate port and access to the biblios database? |
| 17:55 | jwagner | schuster, are you talking about firewall settings? |
| 17:55 | schuster | My networking people don't understand Z39.50 so I need to break it down so I understand what I am presenting and requesting. We are really tight and currently only port 80 or 8080 are open through the proxy and firewall. |
| 17:55 | jwagner | If so, I think it should be enough to open an outgoing port. The firewall should recognize that the initial request goes out, then brings data back. |
| 17:56 | So in your case you'd ask for port whatever (what the target uses) to be opened outgoing from your server to the target's address. That should be tight enough for them. | |
| 17:56 | schuster | I saw a demonstration at ALA where Novel list had been incorporated into some catalogs so series, and author info was linked via Z39.50. |
| 17:57 | jwagner - thanks I thought that would be enough, but just wanted to make sure before I ask and then have to go begging back. | |
| 17:58 | jwagner | Not sure how that was set up, but the theory should be the same. For a cataloging z39.50, the port number depends on the target. For example, Voyager sites usually use port 7090, OCLC uses 210, etc. |
| 17:58 | schuster | I know my ports and my database so just trying to put my armor on before talking techie... |
| 17:59 | * jwagner | offers schuster a sword and shield |
| 17:59 | schuster | May need a bludgeoning device. |
| 17:59 | jwagner | A mace? or whatever those things are with the spikes on the ball? |
| 18:00 | joetho | they should be begging YOU for tips on getting z39 to work. |
| 18:00 | <--- dreaming | |
| 18:00 | <-- used to be a school tech coordinator. All Powerful. | |
| 18:01 | schuster | The techies are not in education and keep locking things down tighter so that "Instructional Tech" has their hands tied and can do very little. |
| 18:02 | jwagner | Yep, I've dealt with IT people like that. In one job I had to _fight_ to get server level access, which was required for 9/10ths of my job! (Unicorn admin) |
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| 18:18 | wizzyrea | jwagner: about? |
| 18:18 | jwagner | more or less |
| 18:18 | What's up? | |
| 18:19 | wizzyrea | question: Is PTFS using the liblime.com website for their koha products? |
| 18:19 | instead of koha.ptfs.com | |
| 18:19 | or both. | |
| 18:19 | jwagner | Beats me -- I don't handle the website. Want to email me & I can forward it? |
| 18:20 | wizzyrea | Or I can just email patrick directly I guess :) I'll do that |
| 18:20 | thanks, sorry to bother. :) | |
| 18:20 | jwagner | Yeah, he'd be the best person to answer. |
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| 19:03 | dpavlin | I'm modifing opac-userupdate.pl to include logging into userupdate table |
| 19:03 | chris | logging what? |
| 19:04 | dpavlin | We will have ~1200 students entrolling during next two weeks, and logging changes of user info |
| 19:04 | owen | opac-userupdate.pl doesn't actually update anything |
| 19:04 | dpavlin | is invaluable for us (it currently sends e-mail out which needs to be manually copy/pasted back into koha) |
| 19:05 | I should probably rephrase that, because my non-native language shows all over :-) | |
| 19:05 | gmcharlt | dpavlin: do you mean modifying opac-userupdate to change the patron records directly? or to store a queue of changes for the librarians to review and apply later? |
| 19:05 | owen | Interesting dpavlin, how do the changes get from the log into the patron records? |
| 19:06 | dpavlin | I added userupdate table in which I store all form fields before sending e-mail out |
| 19:06 | code is at http://git.rot13.org/?p=koha.g[…]rt-431-userupdate | |
| 19:07 | next step would be to create user interface so that librarians can approve or deny changes (just like they do now) | |
| 19:07 | hack, I can even include link in outgoing e-mail :-) | |
| 19:07 | jwagner | dpavlin, one of my sites was just complaining about the opac-userupdate this morning -- the email it generates doesn't make it clear what the changes are and is generally confusing to the librarian. Are you doing any work on that part too? |
| 19:07 | dpavlin | and log of all changes is also useful since I'm replicating from LDAP, and I can push changes back to LDAP if I have changes. |
| 19:08 | gmcharlt | dpavlin: yes, I think you're movng in a fruitful direction |
| 19:08 | jwagner | Re-reading, it looks like you're trying to do away with that email altogether? |
| 19:08 | gmcharlt | I can think of a few quibbles - userupdate should probably be named borrower_updates to be consistent with the other table names |
| 19:09 | chris | yep sounds good |
| 19:09 | dpavlin | well, I think that e-mail notification should be system preference, and web interface can be primary one |
| 19:09 | funny thing about table name: I originaly called it borrower_changes, but decided to stick with script name since all fields are not the same. | |
| 19:09 | jwagner | But it would be great if the email only listed the changes, not the entire record. |
| 19:09 | gmcharlt | there should be a FK between borrower_updates.borrowernumber and borrowers.borrowernumer |
| 19:09 | dpavlin | email for example, is called emailaddress in form. |
| 19:09 | chris | i can push up in the new/ branch when you are ready for a git pull, then it can track master and be ready to go in for 3.4 |
| 19:10 | but now i must go get my son ready for kindergarten | |
| 19:10 | bbiab | |
| 19:10 | dpavlin | chris: ack |
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| 19:10 | gmcharlt | and one addition the user interface that would be nice - being able to revert back to an older address and/or phone number |
| 19:14 | owen | Thanks dpavlin, I've been asking for this kind of thing since Bug 1153 |
| 19:14 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1153 minor, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, opac-userupdate.pl update to allow moderation, and templatize |
| 19:14 | dpavlin | would Details Changes tab under Patrons in admin interface be the right place for it or should it be part of details view? |
| 19:16 | jwagner | I'd keep them separate -- some sites might not want to allow changes but still allow display of account details. |
| 19:16 | owen | dpavlin: There is already a "Modification log" menu item for patron records. I'm not sure how those two should coexist |
| 19:18 | dpavlin | owen: as far as I can tell, Modification log will get applied changes if I update it through Koha modules, but I might be wrong on that. |
| 19:18 | so better name would be "Pending detail changes" or something similar... | |
| 19:19 | owen | And this would be where? |
| 19:20 | dpavlin | Below Details in Patrons admin interface? |
| 19:20 | (as a tab on the left if that makes sense) | |
| 19:21 | owen | What is "patrons admin interface" ? Which page? |
| 19:21 | dpavlin | alternative is as tab on the bottom of Details which is probably more sane :-) |
| 19:21 | url: /cgi-bin/koha/members/moremember.pl?borrowernumber=42 | |
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| 19:22 | owen | I suggest a message box at the top of the moremember.pl |
| 19:23 | <div class="dialog message">This patron has pending updates</div> | |
| 19:23 | ...and link "pending updates" to the interface for applying the changes | |
| 19:23 | dpavlin | owen: yap. makes sense. |
| 19:24 | owen | And then if there is also a page of past updates, you can add a tab on the left |
| 19:24 | dpavlin | or down after 0 holds? |
| 19:24 | something like "3 updates" | |
| 19:25 | owen | I'm thinking of a tab in the left-hand menu where you see "check out", "details," etc. |
| 19:25 | dpavlin | err... 3 proposed changes :-) |
| 19:25 | links on the left can be addressed via url (which is handy for e-mail links) | |
| 19:26 | but somehow putting proposed changes inside details make sense. If they are applied, they will show up in Modification Log. | |
| 19:27 | owen | I'm not sure why you would need a tab alongside "checkouts" "fines" and "holds" |
| 19:27 | What purpose would that serve? | |
| 19:29 | dpavlin | sorry, I intermixed two ideas |
| 19:29 | one was to use tab (which I don't like but has easy URL for e-mail) | |
| 19:30 | another was to have "3 proposed changes" under Details with dialog message. | |
| 19:31 | but, I would need a bit more screen space for interface which parts of change to accept | |
| 19:31 | owen | dpavlin: Wouldn't that be a separate page? |
| 19:32 | dpavlin | yap. and my doubt is where to put that page :-) |
| 19:32 | owen | The page is itself! |
| 19:32 | dpavlin | because that's the page you want to receive in e-mail. |
| 19:33 | oh, something like opac-proposedchanges.pl ? | |
| 19:33 | chris | back |
| 19:33 | that would make sense to me | |
| 19:33 | owen | If you're talking about opac pages then I'm very confused. |
| 19:33 | chris | members/proposedchanges.pl |
| 19:33 | owen | I thought we were talking about means for the staff to apply changes |
| 19:33 | chris | members/proposedchanges.pl?borrowernumber=123435 |
| 19:34 | somethign like that | |
| 19:34 | dpavlin | yap. |
| 19:34 | owen | That's what I was thinking of |
| 19:34 | dpavlin | I looked at wrong tab when trying to construct URL :-) members/proposedchanges.pl?borrowernumber=123435 it is! |
| 19:34 | chris | then you can put granular permissions on it |
| 19:35 | dpavlin | actually, something along the lines of members/proposedchanges.pl?change=42 since changes have autoincrementing number :-) |
| 19:35 | chris | so you might only have some librarians who can view the members page only, others who can make changes, others who can moderate |
| 19:35 | moderating changes needs someone who knows how to verify the change is non dangerous | |
| 19:36 | ie they actually live at the address they changed it to :) | |
| 19:36 | so it would make sense to me to be able to restrict that to certain staff members | |
| 19:36 | dpavlin | I still didn't ready any of koha code which deals with permissions, but it seems I will have to... |
| 19:37 | chris | its not so bad |
| 19:37 | dpavlin | but, I hope we don't need changes for each field, right? ;-) |
| 19:37 | s/changes/permissions/ | |
| 19:37 | chris | i wouldnt go that low :) |
| 19:37 | if a library wants that, they need to deal with their HR problem :-) | |
| 19:41 | dpavlin | on unrelated note, is there anything else I can do for my LDAP bug fixes? Bug 4993 and friends? |
| 19:41 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4993 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, ldap search always anonymous when using auth_by_bind |
| 19:41 | dpavlin | should I attach a diff to bug if I'm sending it to koha-patches? |
| 19:42 | owen | dpavlin: You attached the patch itself to the bug report right? That's what I do. |
| 19:43 | chris | yeah, that is always handy |
| 19:43 | dpavlin | yap, and sent it to koha-patches and that seems redundant |
| 19:44 | chris | koha-patches is the canonical place |
| 19:44 | owen | Sending it to koha-patches gets it to the RM, and attaching it to the bug report lets others easily find it and see it |
| 19:44 | chris | yup |
| 19:45 | ok time to take the rubbish out and catch my bus | |
| 19:45 | will try to be back on from the bus | |
| 19:45 | dpavlin | cool. I have few more mintor changes, mostly autocomplete="off" and some SIP2 fixes which I still need to push so our production is in-sync (err, working :-) with master |
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| 20:06 | chris | Baxk |
| 20:06 | Back too | |
| 20:11 | schuster | question for?? owen maybe... If I was able to write a cookie with a location code and we could use js or?? to read it and then display the appropriate image where the Koha logo was? |
| 20:12 | Thinking outloud... Trying to be fancy, but my skills lack. | |
| 20:18 | chris | Yes |
| 20:18 | We do that for weather | |
| 20:18 | On another website I work on | |
| 20:19 | Bus stop brb | |
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| 20:26 | cait | hi #koha |
| 20:26 | :) | |
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| 20:28 | chris | back |
| 20:28 | cait | hi chris |
| 20:29 | can I ask you a follow up question about acq? | |
| 20:29 | ok, 2 question, but not more - promise | |
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| 20:30 | richard | hi |
| 20:30 | chris | heya richard |
| 20:30 | hehe fire away cait | |
| 20:31 | cait | ok, on the start page of acq - joann showed me the links to lists for items bought and ordered from a fund |
| 20:31 | but I dont see these links in my installation | |
| 20:31 | chris | ah the spent and ordered links? |
| 20:32 | yeah, they were in 2.2 got lost in 3.0 im bringing them back | |
| 20:32 | i think i sent a patch if i didnt i certainly will | |
| 20:32 | cait | ah, so it was you :) |
| 20:32 | I think its a real important feature | |
| 20:32 | chris | yes |
| 20:33 | cait | I think they were in 3.0 too |
| 20:33 | they got lost with new acq, I remembered those links from my first tests with koha | |
| 20:33 | chris | ah ok |
| 20:34 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]hb=refs/heads/hlt | |
| 20:34 | cait | now I forgot my second question |
| 20:34 | ah, shipping cost? | |
| 20:35 | chris | yes |
| 20:35 | cait | I think I saw something on a invoice called shipping |
| 20:35 | chris | yep, you enter it as a per item cost |
| 20:35 | and it adds it to the orderline in aqorders | |
| 20:35 | cait | what happens if I dont receive all items at once? |
| 20:36 | oh, and I had problems with the acq framework | |
| 20:36 | chris | all items? you only enter it for the items you have received |
| 20:37 | cait | now I broke my promise :) did you do something to make that work? or is there a trick? I added a framework called ACQ but still got the error message in acq |
| 20:37 | chris | no trick that im aware of |
| 20:37 | cait | chris: got it |
| 20:37 | the shipping cost, I was thinking wrong | |
| 20:38 | chris | cool |
| 20:38 | cait | the acq framework makes me wonder, I tried looking at the code, but no idea what is wrong |
| 20:39 | any chance to get the acq features before 3.4? | |
| 20:40 | chris | which acq features? |
| 20:40 | no new features before 3.4 | |
| 20:40 | but bug fixes, yeah | |
| 20:40 | if they dont make 3.2.0, im sure we can get them 3.2.1 | |
| 20:40 | cait | *sighs* thought so. Can a lost feature count as bug fix? |
| 20:41 | chris | yes |
| 20:41 | thats fixing a regression | |
| 20:41 | cait | hope you can persuade galen :) |
| 20:41 | chris | we only have to persuade chris_n |
| 20:41 | :) | |
| 20:41 | cait | I hoped so, but we have string freeze too |
| 20:41 | ah | |
| 20:41 | chris | oh yeah, adding back a missing feature wont make 3.2.0 |
| 20:42 | but it could make 3.2.1, as long as it committed to master | |
| 20:42 | nad ported back to the rel_3_2 branch | |
| 20:42 | cait | nad? |
| 20:43 | gmcharlt | cait: the 'ACQ' framework is definitely a memcached thing - you have to bounce it (/etc/init.d/memcached restart) as a workaround |
| 20:43 | chris | and |
| 20:43 | cait | gmcharlt: ok, will write my coworker a mail -no access to the server |
| 20:43 | chris | hmm that should only be cached for 10 mins max? |
| 20:44 | if not thats ill send a patch for that right now | |
| 20:44 | cait | im configuring my test installation on laptop right now to see if it shows up here |
| 20:44 | definitely no memchache installed | |
| 20:44 | gmcharlt: thx! :) | |
| 20:45 | chris | hmm memoize_memcached( 'GetMarcStructure', memcached => $memcached, expire_time => 600 ); |
| 20:45 | if thats not expiring, we need to turn that off | |
| 20:46 | cait | spent the evening with twilight 3 in the cinema - it was great to forget about acq and the presentation for some time :) |
| 20:46 | chris | heh |
| 20:46 | cait | I tried to refresh the site for a longer time |
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| 20:59 | reed | good morning |
| 20:59 | cait | hi reed |
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| 21:16 | cait | gmcharlt: yay! the acq framework is working in my test installation - will write my coworker about memcache - thx :) |
| 21:21 | chris: 600 - seconds? minutes? | |
| 21:21 | chris | seconds |
| 21:21 | should be 10 minutes | |
| 21:22 | cait | ok, I think I tried longer than that |
| 21:23 | chris | yeah |
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| 21:38 | martinmor | Hello, I'm being thick and not understanding why I've started getting a "Auth ERROR: Cannot get_session() at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 601" error on my koha login screen |
| 21:38 | Can anybody advise? | |
| 21:39 | cait | fresh install? which version? |
| 21:39 | martinmor | 3.04 |
| 21:39 | it's worked fine until i upgraded a few bits on the machine (it's a test installation) | |
| 21:40 | found i'd lose some modules weirdly, so reinstalled them, now i've got this message | |
| 21:40 | the config files all seem fine so just wondering what might cause it | |
| 21:41 | chris | where are you storing sessions? in the db or on the file system |
| 21:41 | martinmor | in the db i believe |
| 21:42 | chris | right can you try |
| 21:42 | sudo cpan CGI::Session::Serialize::yaml | |
| 21:42 | then see if that fixes your error | |
| 21:44 | martinmor | perfect,thank you :) |
| 21:44 | did it the ubuntu way | |
| 21:44 | sudo apt-get install libcgi-session-serialize-yaml-perl | |
| 21:44 | chris | yep that works better :) |
| 21:44 | martinmor | many thanks :) |
| 21:46 | cait | chris: have you updated the translation files yet? |
| 21:46 | chris | no sorry |
| 21:46 | ill try to do that tonight | |
| 21:46 | cait | no problem, I think there is a problem with prefs |
| 21:46 | chris | i hate pootle |
| 21:47 | cait | some strings seem to reappear again and again as untranslated |
| 21:47 | chris | or at least i hate how slow it is |
| 21:47 | cait | I had not enough time for testing yesterday, but I think the problem is for strings which contain urls and '' or "" |
| 21:47 | chris | cait: might be the script to create the .po files is wrong, ill ask frederic to look at it |
| 21:47 | he wrote that | |
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| 21:49 | cait | like: web-services.pref#OAI-PMH# <a href=\"http://www.openarchives.org/pmh/\">OAI-PMH</a> server. |
| 21:49 | chris | k |
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| 21:51 | cait | and translators need to know they dont have to copy web-services.pref#OAI-PMH# over to the translation - took me some time to figure out how to remove them from my completed installation |
| 21:51 | when you write a letter to translators perhaps you can add a hint | |
| 21:51 | chris | ill try to remember |
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| 21:53 | cait | sorry - really wanted to write a bug report, but it got a bit lost on my todo list |
| 21:53 | chris | np |
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| 22:49 | reed | situations not to get ourselves into -- http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/07/13/2358224 |
| 22:49 | http://news.slashdot.org/comme[…]8494&cid=32900722 | |
| 22:52 | chris | yeah open core |
| 22:53 | wow, that comment | |
| 22:53 | rings too many bells | |
| 22:54 | down to the 6months bit | |
| 22:54 | richard | yeah |
| 22:55 | chris: did you ever have a play with kakama? i'm just updating a wodge of documentation for it | |
| 22:55 | chris | luckily 99% of the developers don't do it that way |
| 22:55 | quick play, nothing too indepth | |
| 23:13 | brendan | wow and heh |
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| 23:43 | bankhead | signoff |
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| 23:51 | chris_n | hmm... interesting parallel that article |
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| 23:52 | chris | indeed |
| 23:52 | hi Nate | |
| 23:52 | Nate | hiya chris! |
| 23:55 | ok time for a post gym shower and some grub | |
| 23:55 | see yas lata | |
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| 23:57 | chris | chris_n: the comment seems bang on |
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