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| 03:42 | robin | my $arg2 = $newdata{'dateenrolled'} || C4::Dates->today('iso'); |
| 03:42 | ^-- not a good name for a variable :) | |
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| 04:03 | Genji | hiya all |
| 04:04 | where in the config files in zebra, is the options @attr 2=102 and @attr 5=1 set on things like wrdl? | |
| 04:04 | or are they set on kw? | |
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| 05:52 | cait | good morning |
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| 06:27 | chris | hi cait |
| 06:29 | cait | hi chris |
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| 06:53 | chris | hi francharb |
| 06:55 | francharb | hi chris |
| 07:16 | chris | *sigh* |
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| 07:37 | Fred | Hi |
| 07:38 | I ve a question about 3.2 beta | |
| 07:39 | is there sthg wrong reported with translate script and LangInstaller.pm? | |
| 07:40 | chris | not that im aware of no |
| 07:40 | you could check bugs.koha-community.org | |
| 07:41 | Fred | i ve found nothing there too :) |
| 07:41 | then i guess i ve missed something...cause i got this kind of error : Can't exec "/usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/misc/translator/tmpl_process3.pl" | |
| 07:42 | chris | hmm |
| 07:42 | whats the permissions on that file? | |
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| 07:43 | Fred | in fact this path seems wrong |
| 07:43 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 koha koha | |
| 07:43 | chris | that looks fine then |
| 07:45 | Fred | but my tmpl_process3.pl is in /usr/share/koha/misc/translator, guess it s that he doesn't like much |
| 07:46 | fredericd | Fred: It's possible that the translation script doesn't work if Koha isn't installed in devel mode. Not sure it's a bug... |
| 07:46 | chris: Nice exchange on koha list! | |
| 07:50 | Fred | Oh could be that then, cause i m on standard installation |
| 07:51 | chris | fredericd: its disheartening that have to keep saying the same things again and again and again though :( |
| 08:02 | fredericd | chris: everybody understands now how to submit large development via git branches; Maybe someone should write it on the wiki |
| 08:02 | chris | yeah, that wouldn't be a bad idea |
| 08:06 | and ill tell my wife to invoice PTFS :) | |
| 08:14 | Fred | another question |
| 08:15 | i ve been through translation using tmpl_process3.pl for opac and intranet templates, could i do the same for pref.po? | |
| 08:15 | chris | translate |
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| 08:49 | chris | grumble |
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| 08:54 | chris | wb kf |
| 08:55 | kf | hi chris |
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| 10:49 | druthb | howdy, #koha! |
| 10:49 | chris | hiya druthb |
| 10:51 | @wunder wellington,nz | |
| 10:51 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (10:00 PM NZST on July 07, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
| 10:51 | chris | that winds getting up a bit |
| 10:52 | http://metservice.com/towns-cities/wellington | |
| 10:54 | kf|mtg | hi druthb |
| 10:54 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 10:54 | munin | kf|mtg: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 22.3�C (1:04 PM CEST on July 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022.2 hPa (Steady). |
| 10:54 | druthb | hi, kf! :D |
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| 10:55 | mib_entyn | Hello - would anyone be able to tell me how to add a marc tag to the OPAC display? 245 $b isn't showing even though there is an entry in the record? |
| 10:56 | druthb | mib_entyn: you'll need to edit the MARC framework for that; it's not hard to take care of.. just edit it for the framework that the bib record is, or you might want to do it for all frameworks. |
| 10:57 | mib_entyn | The tag is showing OK in the frame work, it's just not showing in the full bib view when the record is searched in OPAC - sorry for being vauge! |
| 10:59 | druthb | Hrm. I would think in full view, it should be, then. That's a stumper to me..anyone else? |
| 10:59 | You might check back a little later in the day, and look for "owen"; he's a big-time OPAC/displays person, done a lot of work in that area. He might know something I do not,. | |
| 11:00 | kf|mtg | mib_entyn: are u using the xslt display? |
| 11:00 | mib_entyn | Thanks - I'll stay conencted and check back in a while |
| 11:00 | xslt display? Not sure what you mean about that - sorry! | |
| 11:00 | kf|mtg | can I take a look at your catalog? I think the marc frameworks is only for marc view, you should be able to see 245$b in normal view |
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| 11:01 | kf|mtg | there is a sys pref in parameters where you can choose xslt as alternative for the normal view |
| 11:01 | I think its a bit better perhaps. | |
| 11:01 | mib_entyn | Cool - I will try it out and let you know |
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| 11:01 | kf|mtg | when you go to administration > system preferences search for xslt |
| 11:03 | mib_entyn | well, that didn't change anything. Should i need to reload apache or anything? |
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| 11:05 | mib_entyn | Just out of interest, is it possible to add non-standard tags to the display? How would you go about that? edit the stylesheet? |
| 11:06 | kf|mtg | mib_entyn: it should work immediately |
| 11:06 | perhaps its a problem with your record? | |
| 11:06 | mib_entyn: use xslt and edit the stylesheet | |
| 11:07 | mib_entyn: which koha version are u using? | |
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| 11:07 | mib_entyn | 3.0006010 |
| 11:07 | it's happening with any record | |
| 11:08 | kf|mtg | result list or detail view? |
| 11:12 | mib_entyn | Well, turns out I'm a muppet! Its working fine now after that xslt change, I was looking in the wrong place! I just need to add a non standard tag now, can I just copy an existing section in the xslt and change it as required? |
| 11:14 | kf|mtg | yes |
| 11:14 | mib_entyn | thanks! |
| 11:14 | kf|mtg | no worries .) |
| 11:14 | :) | |
| 11:14 | druthb | kf++ |
| 11:16 | kf|mtg | :) |
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| 12:16 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 12:17 | jwagner | morning |
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| 12:36 | kf|mtg | hi gmcharlt and jwagner |
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| 12:42 | druthb | hi gmcharlt and Nate and owen! :D |
| 12:42 | owen | Hi all |
| 12:42 | kf|mtg | hi owen |
| 12:42 | Nate | Hiya everyone, druthb! |
| 12:45 | owen | nahuel: What version of Koha does Bug 4954 apply to? |
| 12:45 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4954 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, modifying a member renew his card |
| 12:45 | nahuel | at least 3.0 |
| 12:46 | owen | nahuel: Can you please include that information when you file bugs? |
| 12:46 | nahuel | depends |
| 12:47 | I have not always the time to test on 3.2 | |
| 12:47 | owen | That's fine. If all you know is that it's a 3.0.x problem, then say that |
| 12:47 | Then at least someone can look at it and know it needs to be tested in 3.2 | |
| 12:47 | nahuel | generally bugs on 3.0 exists on 3.2 |
| 12:48 | owen | ...but not all patches for 3.0 apply to 3.2, so someone needs to do more work to finish it |
| 12:48 | nahuel | of course |
| 12:48 | me too :p | |
| 12:49 | owen | The patch you submitted was for 3.0.x, correct? |
| 12:51 | nahuel | yep |
| 12:54 | owen | Are Net::Server and UNIVERSAL::require new dependencies? |
| 12:57 | fredericd | owen: both modules are used by SIP2 server |
| 12:58 | owen | Ah, so I can ignore them :) |
| 13:00 | fredericd | superbly |
| 13:14 | hdl | nahuel: I ported the patch on master |
| 13:15 | (the patch you submitted this morning ... will send today) | |
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| 13:27 | mib_ycu7u | Can anyone help me out? I can't seem to get my Author Authorities showing in Cat when trying to link. The search returns no results. version 3.06 |
| 13:27 | owen | mib_ycu7u: Zebra is running and you can search for other kinds of records? |
| 13:29 | mib_ycu7u | Yep, all other seaches fine |
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| 13:29 | mib_ycu7u | I mightn't have been clear. This is if I want to add a new Bib record and when entering an Author I click the "..." button to browse authorities, nothing returns in the search results when I enter an Author name |
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| 13:33 | * owen | isn't an authority record user so I don't know how to help mib_ycu7u |
| 13:34 | mib_ycu7u | Thanks owen, I will hang around for a while! |
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| 14:29 | fredericd | mib_ycu7u: Do you have populated Koha with authority records? are they indexed by Zebra? |
| 14:39 | owen | Regarding Bug 4957... |
| 14:39 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4957 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, browse shelf shouldn't appear if no call number |
| 14:39 | owen | Is that correct, that the shelf browser should be displayed only if there is a call number? |
| 14:40 | kf|mtg | is there a way you can delete a vendor? |
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| 14:41 | owen | kf: looks like you're stuck with them! |
| 14:41 | gmcharlt | owen: I think that is a slightly too broad a statement, but there's an obvious practical difficulty browsing in call number order if an item has no call number |
| 14:42 | kf | owen: ouch. |
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| 14:42 | owen | kf: I'm not an acquisitions expert, but I don't see any links or buttons for deletions |
| 14:43 | kf | me neither |
| 14:43 | gmcharlt | well, one consideration for acquisitions is protecting the audit trail - so it's not unreasonable to restrict deleting vendor records, particularly if they have transactions attached to them |
| 14:43 | * kf | makes a note to read something about english grammar soon |
| 14:43 | gmcharlt | kf: don't do it! we'll never see you again! |
| 14:43 | kf | i can reopen and delete the orders |
| 14:43 | gmcharlt: is it that bad? | |
| 14:44 | * kf | hides |
| 14:44 | owen | gmcharlt: Good point. You *can* make a vendor inactive |
| 14:44 | gmcharlt | actually, no, it isn't that bad |
| 14:44 | English *spelling*, on the other hand ... | |
| 14:45 | owen | Making a vendor inactive doesn't seem to hide them from the display, but it prevents you from adding a new basket |
| 14:45 | * kf | was speaking about her english grammar .) |
| 14:45 | kf | not in general |
| 14:45 | owen: seems I cant delete some orders, perhaps the printed orders? | |
| 14:45 | gmcharlt | kf: I was speaking generally about the oddities of the English language :) |
| 14:46 | kf | I think German is much more difficult and full of oddities |
| 14:46 | gmcharlt | i.e., if you spend time going down the rabbit hole of English spelling and grammar, it may take a while before you can unbury yourself |
| 14:47 | kf | hm, perhaps better learn perl |
| 14:47 | gmcharlt | touche |
| 14:48 | kf | owen: you can delete budgets - without warning and all before you start deleting orders.. is this a good thing? |
| 14:48 | gmcharlt | ick, no |
| 14:49 | owen | Doesn't like any deletion-without-warning interactions |
| 14:49 | whoops, that was a /me | |
| 14:50 | gmcharlt | owen: that's OK, I don't like them either :) |
| 14:53 | kf | im preparing our test installation for a presentation next week |
| 14:53 | file a bug? | |
| 14:54 | owen | "file a bug" is almost always the right answer ;) |
| 14:55 | kf | *sighs* will test a bit more and file a bug |
| 14:57 | owen | Okay gmcharlt, are there other factors which make a shelf browse functional and useful in the absence of a call number? |
| 14:58 | gmcharlt | owen: well, I could imagine a variation that is essentially a browse on any field, including author, title, or subject, that displays cover images |
| 14:58 | owen | But that's hypothetical |
| 14:58 | gmcharlt | but yeah, as it is currently implemented, and as I think most people conceptualize it, it's just a browse by call number |
| 14:59 | owen | Okay, so for the purposes of Bug 4957, it would be logical to wrap the shelf browse link in a check for a call number |
| 14:59 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4957 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, browse shelf shouldn't appear if no call number |
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| 15:13 | mib_ycu7u | Anyone around that might be able to help with this problem ---> if I want to add a new Bib record and when entering an Author I click the "..." button to browse authorities, nothing returns in the search results when I enter an Author name |
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| 15:22 | CGI520 | Hi, I very new in this but i want to learn. I need traslate a Koha but my operative system is windows i try i read guides i don´t have support so I need HELP!!! |
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| 15:24 | CGI520 | HI!!! |
| 15:26 | mib_ycu7u | what language are you trying to translate to? |
| 15:27 | CGI520 | thanks |
| 15:27 | To Spanish | |
| 15:27 | i have version 2.2.9 for windows | |
| 15:27 | kf | 2.2.9 is very old |
| 15:28 | CGI520 | umm so windows i dont found more update |
| 15:28 | kf | I think there are not many people who can help you with that version and bugs will not get fixed |
| 15:29 | CGI520 | I want to use Koha but i dont know to windows exist other version or is necessary to use linux |
| 15:29 | kf | I think debian/ubuntu/linux is the better option at the moment, there are a lot of install manuals too |
| 15:30 | CGI520 | Excuse me for my english |
| 15:30 | kf | I think chris_n is working on koha on windoes - but not sure what the status is |
| 15:30 | Im not a native speaker :) | |
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| 15:30 | CGI520 | where are you? |
| 15:31 | but to write much better | |
| 15:31 | kf | Germany |
| 15:31 | CGI520 | Colombia |
| 15:34 | Cris_n appears in green... so means?? | |
| 15:35 | owen | @seen chris_n |
| 15:35 | munin | owen: chris_n was last seen in #koha 5 days, 19 hours, 41 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <chris_n> heya paul |
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| 15:42 | owen | I've got a Perl question: In Circulation.pm, there are lines like $issuingimpossible{UNKNOWN_BARCODE} = 1; |
| 15:42 | How is the upper-case significant? | |
| 15:43 | druthb | hi, brendan and wizzyrea_! |
| 15:43 | wizzyrea_ | hey there |
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| 15:43 | imp | owen: just a guess, sounds like an enum |
| 15:50 | kf | bye all, will be back for the meeting :) |
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| 15:51 | wizzyrea_ | oh what time is the meeting |
| 15:51 | gmcharlt | 19:00 UTC+0 |
| 15:51 | three hours from now | |
| 15:51 | wizzyrea_ | kool ty |
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| 15:52 | kf | owen: ok, seems you cant delete vendors and you cant edit orders (even if basket is not closed) |
| 15:52 | *sighs* | |
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| 15:52 | brendan | hi ruth |
| 15:57 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: bug 4953 - make the debian package copy in YUI images <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8f1735ddf6d05d1b8> / bug 4952 - make the koha-remove script stop zebra for the instance <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4ac519e7adef942c6> |
| 16:01 | gmcharlt | owen: re bug 4954 is your comment about replicating the bug or testing the patch? |
| 16:01 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4954 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, modifying a member renew his card |
| 16:01 | owen | Replicating the bug |
| 16:01 | I couldn't reproduce it | |
| 16:07 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: (bug #4954) allow date expiry modification only on step 0 and 3 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0b58bcee3a074da7d> / Update 3.0 to 3.2 budgets <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0e5e068728e5cb907> |
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| 16:17 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: (bug #3772) show place hold button in isbd view <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]73d8f3369837ba7f4> |
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| 16:24 | owen | I was just testing Bug 4295 and I'm finding that overduerules.pl isn't saving *anything* |
| 16:24 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4295 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, Overduerules doesn't save "debarred" conf |
| 16:24 | owen | Could someone else try it? |
| 16:27 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: UNIMARC coded field search : No results <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ee9143c31ed127f89> |
| 16:28 | owen | Never mind, the entries which didn't save didn't have a delay value specified |
| 16:28 | It'd be nice to get a warning about that | |
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| 16:35 | owen | sekjal? |
| 16:37 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 4484, Rss tag is not escaped in search result <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bc534db0db079a5a9> / newordersuggestion would not filter by status <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]844903ad6ac50e741> / error 500 when record cannot be loaded <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a=commitdiff;h=6e |
| 16:37 | sekjal | hey, owen |
| 16:39 | owen | Hi sekjal, I was going to check in with you about reassigning Bug 3393 to you |
| 16:39 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3393 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED, Default branches and overdues notices |
| 16:39 | owen | But I went ahead and did it :) |
| 16:39 | sekjal | owen: cool |
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| 16:48 | cait | hi all |
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| 17:01 | cait | owen++ #because he deserves it |
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| 17:33 | mib_ipx1t | . |
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| 17:34 | pianohack | I agree |
| 17:34 | . | |
| 17:35 | joetho | warming up for an irc meeting? |
| 17:35 | . | |
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| 17:38 | pianohack | Just helping out mib_ipx1t |
| 17:38 | How are you, joetho? | |
| 17:40 | joetho | "hangin on by a thread" |
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| 17:53 | slef | moo |
| 17:54 | pianohack | hola slef |
| 17:55 | slef | T-55mins? |
| 17:55 | owen | slef, I'd be interested hearing your opinion on this: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]-July/024453.html |
| 17:56 | slef | debar isn't in ODLIS, so should be removed. What does it mean? |
| 17:57 | chris | banned |
| 17:57 | is what it means here, and what it meant in koha's case | |
| 17:57 | slef | blocked might be a nicer way of putting it? |
| 17:58 | chris | oh it isnt a nice thing |
| 17:58 | you have to do a lot to get debarred | |
| 17:58 | slef | oh ok, so banned |
| 17:58 | owen | chris: It depends on your library's policy |
| 17:58 | chris | well there are other flags for stopping lending |
| 17:59 | debarred is 'get the hell out of the library cos u tried to burn it down' | |
| 17:59 | not to be confused with suspended cos we dont have a valid address for you | |
| 17:59 | owen | That's certainly not how it is understood in my experience |
| 17:59 | slef | ODLIS calls it "problem patron" http://lu.com/odlis/odlis_p.cfm#problempatron |
| 18:00 | wizzyrea_ | agree with owen here |
| 18:00 | owen | Since overdue notice triggers can debar a patron it seems that it has now been tied to less serious circ policy |
| 18:00 | That's always how we've used it | |
| 18:00 | slef | owen's example seems to be http://lu.com/odlis/odlis_d.cfm#delinquent |
| 18:00 | wizzyrea_ | it's kind of the worst in a series of "your account is not in good standing" flags |
| 18:01 | chris | ah yeah, if it has been tied to overdues, it has had its original use corrupted |
| 18:01 | owen | chris I'm very surprised--I never knew that the original meaning was so serious! |
| 18:01 | wizzyrea_ | I can't think of any library that actually uses the ILS as a list of banned patrons |
| 18:01 | chris | in that case suspended would be ok |
| 18:01 | wizzyrea_ | at least none of mine |
| 18:02 | slef | wizzyrea_: it might work if entry barriers were linked to the LMS |
| 18:02 | wizzyrea_ | true |
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| 18:02 | sekjal | it'd make an interesting enhancement. have a page with the names and pictures of people not allowed in the building, and a place to the contact info for your local security team |
| 18:02 | wizzyrea_ | < has mostly very small libraries, and none with entry barriers |
| 18:02 | chris | its more that its a signal that you cant just let someone borrow again if they come and ask you nicely |
| 18:02 | slef | I think I've used exactly one library where I had to scan my card on entry. |
| 18:03 | chris | rather than practically used to throw people out |
| 18:03 | wizzyrea_ | I think at core we're talking about the same thing |
| 18:03 | slef | ok, who's going to summarise this? |
| 18:04 | chris | well i think since it has been morphed into meaning suspended, and is tied to things like overdues |
| 18:04 | wizzyrea_ | the "no, you can't use the library" flag. |
| 18:04 | chris | suspended is fine |
| 18:05 | sekjal | if we extend the granular permissions system to the patrons, we can have permissions like "CanBorrow", "CanUseLocally", and "CanAccessFacilities" |
| 18:05 | chris | i can always translate it back |
| 18:05 | :) | |
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| 18:09 | scott | . |
| 18:10 | owen | _ |
| 18:11 | chris | ! |
| 18:12 | druthb | ? |
| 18:12 | pianohack | ¿ |
| 18:13 | (caucasiocentrists!) | |
| 18:15 | druthb | ß |
| 18:15 | wizzyrea_ | ø |
| 18:16 | scott | ? |
| 18:16 | druthb | þ |
| 18:16 | wizzyrea_ | å |
| 18:16 | slef | no-one trying to type that character you get by pressing alt and f4? |
| 18:17 | * wizzyrea_ | waits with bated breath... |
| 18:17 | * druthb | suggests that we write a collaborative poem using only punctuation, letters with diacritics, and non-Roman alphabets. |
| 18:17 | slef | wizzyrea_: nah, no-one's falling for it. |
| 18:18 | druthb | буфет |
| 18:18 | wizzyrea_ | does that still work in linux? |
| 18:18 | >.> | |
| 18:18 | I've never tried it | |
| 18:18 | slef | depends if you're using one of the poor Windows Wannabe systems |
| 18:18 | owen | ...like Ubuntu I guess |
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| 18:19 | slef | I suspect kubuntu is most likely for it to still work. |
| 18:20 | Not sure about ubuntu and the ubuntu machine I usually use is a few countries away just now. | |
| 18:20 | (and not online) | |
| 18:24 | gmcharlt | how very irresponsible of it - tell it to come home ;) |
| 18:27 | slef | I've better things to do than shepherd laptops. I'll ignore it and it will come home. |
| 18:28 | joetho | did you ever find your laptops, wizzyrea? |
| 18:28 | wizzyrea_ | no, I'm sure they are in the loving hands of some poor college student by now |
| 18:29 | or sold on ebay or somesuch | |
| 18:30 | pianohack | slef: dunno about ubuntu either, but base compiz on my arch install has alt-f4 mapped |
| 18:30 | Anyway, bye for now, might log in later with new laptop | |
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| 18:31 | joetho | "loving hands of poor college student" |
| 18:32 | "enrolling in college" | |
| 18:32 | "bye for now, log in later with NEW LAPTOP" | |
| 18:32 | I must have a suspicious nature. | |
| 18:32 | wizzyrea_ | hehe |
| 18:35 | owen | Should the fix for Bug 3783 have allowed me to see multiple 856u's in one record? |
| 18:35 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3783 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, marcurls doesn't support multiple subfields url |
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| 18:39 | scott | Is this thing on? |
| 18:39 | owen | Okay, bug 3783 fixed, but the fix only applies to non-xslt |
| 18:39 | wizzyrea_ | affirmative, scott |
| 18:39 | owen | scott: I thought you already found that out? Weren't you in on the punctuation poetry slam? |
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| 18:40 | SJeffery_ | What is the reason for having to review past version roadmaps? |
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| 18:40 | thd-away is now known as thd | |
| 18:40 | slef | SJeffery_: current version roadmaps |
| 18:41 | SJeffery_ | Features that were on the roadmap that didn't make it into the release that need to be pused into a future release? |
| 18:42 | chris | 3.0. and 3.2 are the current versions, 3.4 is a future one, is what slef was saying i think :) |
| 18:43 | slef | yes, sorry, rushing, trying to get some stuff finished before the meetings |
| 18:43 | scott | 3.4 is dealing with architectural issues, is that correct? |
| 18:44 | We have some speed issues, when opening patron records with alot of stuff on them. | |
| 18:45 | chris | performance issues yes |
| 18:46 | SJeffery_ | Ah, ok, I was thinking 3.0 was considered an "old" release. |
| 18:47 | gmcharlt | SJeffery_: it's the maintenance release - think of it as current stable, like Debian lenny, with 3.2 being squeeze |
| 18:48 | slef | 3.0 = current, 3.2 = coming soon, 3.4 = future |
| 18:49 | scott | cool |
| 18:49 | gmcharlt | good afternoon, good evening, and good morning |
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| 18:49 | gmcharlt | I'm calling this meeting to order |
| 18:49 | cait | :) |
| 18:49 | * owen | puts down his bug-swatter |
| 18:49 | gmcharlt | agenda for this meeting can be found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting,_7_July_2010 |
| 18:50 | and consists of | |
| 18:50 | 1. Update on Roadmap to 3.2. | |
| 18:50 | 2. Update on Roadmap to 3.0. | |
| 18:50 | 3. Update on Roadmap to 3.4. | |
| 18:50 | 4. Follow-up on actions from General IRC Meeting, 2 June 2010. | |
| 18:50 | 5. Agree times of next meetings. | |
| 18:50 | but first, let's have a round of introductions | |
| 18:50 | * gmcharlt | = Galen Charton, 3.2 RM |
| 18:50 | chris | chris cormack, 3.4 RM |
| 18:50 | * owen | Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library |
| 18:50 | jwagner | Jane Wagner, PTFS |
| 18:50 | * wizzyrea_ | Liz Rea, NEKLS |
| 18:50 | * nengard | = Nicole C. Engard, ByWater Solutions & Doc Manager (here with 3 new koha librarians) |
| 18:50 | cait | Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
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| 18:50 | joetho | joetho = Joe Tholen, SEKLS / Kansas |
| 18:51 | sekjal | Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions |
| 18:51 | collum | Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library |
| 18:51 | scott | Scott Kushner, MTPL/NJ |
| 18:51 | thd | Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 18:51 | rhcl | Greg Lawson - Rolling Hills Consolidated Library |
| 18:51 | Colin | = Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe |
| 18:51 | brendan | Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions |
| 18:51 | * slef | = MJ Ray, software.coop worker-owner |
| 18:51 | joetho | welcome to the three new Kohanians with Nicole! |
| 18:51 | SJeffery_ | Steve Jeffery, FCX |
| 18:52 | nengard | new librarians asking if Kohanians is a real word :) hehe |
| 18:52 | slef | it's probably something less pronouncably Maori |
| 18:52 | chris_n | Chris Nighswonger, FBC |
| 18:52 | chris | no s in maori |
| 18:53 | tangata koha | |
| 18:53 | would work | |
| 18:53 | gmcharlt | nice |
| 18:53 | one to the agenda | |
| 18:53 | first | |
| 18:54 | as far as 3.2 is concerend, I've released the beta | |
| 18:54 | there are currently six blockers to close before the release candidate can come out | |
| 18:54 | namely | |
| 18:54 | tajoli | Zeno Tajoli, CILEA (Italy) |
| 18:54 | gmcharlt | bug 3536 |
| 18:54 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3536 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED, Checked In item requiring transfer does not consistently trigger transfer prompt |
| 18:55 | gmcharlt | for which patch is available; I will be testing and pushing |
| 18:55 | jcamins_a is now known as jcamins | |
| 18:55 | gmcharlt | bug 3756 |
| 18:55 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3756 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, new sys prefs - no way to add a new local use preference |
| 18:55 | jcamins | Sorry I'm late. |
| 18:55 | gmcharlt | for this, a quick-and-dirty approach will have to do, namely repurposing code from the previous sysprefs editor to handle local sysprefs only |
| 18:56 | bug 4141 | |
| 18:56 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4141 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, reconcile 3.0.x and HEAD database updates for 3.2.0 |
| 18:56 | * jcamins | = Jared Camins-Esakov, American Numismatic Society and elsewhere |
| 18:56 | nengard is now known as nengardPL | |
| 18:56 | nengardPL is now known as nengard | |
| 18:56 | gmcharlt | my thanks to hdl and BibLibre for doing work on that, as well as letting me borrower a copy of a 3.0 production database to test the upgrade path with as well |
| 18:56 | bug 4188 | |
| 18:57 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4188 blocker, P1, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Basketgroup print fails to generate a file |
| 18:57 | gmcharlt | which is fully patched, and I think is just one more test away from closure |
| 18:57 | bug 4310 | |
| 18:57 | chris | sweet |
| 18:57 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4310 blocker, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, No Migration for budgets from 3.0 to 3.2 |
| 18:57 | gmcharlt | which hdl submtted a patch for earlier today |
| 18:57 | pending testing, hopefully this can be close | |
| 18:57 | * wizzyrea_ | cheers |
| 18:58 | gmcharlt | Colin: since you were the last to test on that bug, if you can test again, I'd appreciate it |
| 18:58 | and finally | |
| 18:58 | chris | for 3756, i vote we dont close the bug when the quick and dirty patch is applied, merely drop its severity |
| 18:58 | gmcharlt | bug 4472 |
| 18:58 | Colin | I'll try running an upgrade |
| 18:58 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4472 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, img tags in xslt broken after automatic translation |
| 18:58 | gmcharlt | chris: sounds good |
| 18:58 | cait | I think we can close that |
| 18:59 | chris | yay! |
| 18:59 | gmcharlt | cait: so French and Spanish translation generation now tests OK? cool |
| 18:59 | cait | no |
| 18:59 | but the img tags are not the problem | |
| 18:59 | nengard | chris agreed |
| 18:59 | cait | different bugs |
| 19:00 | can separate them, but have no idea what is wrong with spanish, some files were not generated by the translate script | |
| 19:00 | gmcharlt | cait: well, that may still keep it a blocker, though, if it's preventing the translated tempates from being generated |
| 19:00 | cait | and the french translation contains html entities |
| 19:00 | gmcharlt | I'd like to ask chris and/or fredericd to look into that one |
| 19:01 | chris | cait: they arent in the .po file eh? |
| 19:01 | anyway we can investigate later | |
| 19:01 | cait | chris: the html entities come from pootle |
| 19:01 | can be fixed there | |
| 19:02 | chris | ah ok |
| 19:02 | cait | not sure about problems with ohter languages, chose Spanish, French and German for testing |
| 19:02 | tajoli | Also marc21_field_007.tmpl has problem on translation |
| 19:02 | slef | gmcharlt: why are most of the bugs showing as blocking HEAD not rel_3_2? |
| 19:03 | gmcharlt: (want me to relabel?) | |
| 19:03 | gmcharlt | slef: sure, go ahead |
| 19:03 | slef | relabelling... |
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| 19:05 | gmcharlt | so upon closing of the blockers, or at least sufficient reason to downgrade their severity, I will release RC1 |
| 19:05 | paul_p | hello everybody, from an hotel in Lille |
| 19:05 | chris | tajoli: can you file a bug for that please |
| 19:05 | rc1++ | |
| 19:05 | gmcharlt | upon confirmation that upgrades from 3.0.x to RC1 are OK |
| 19:05 | it will become general release | |
| 19:05 | paul_p | rc1++, I confirm ;-) |
| 19:05 | chris | yay |
| 19:05 | wizzyrea_ | \o/ |
| 19:06 | cait | what happens to the other bugs? some are really annoying |
| 19:06 | chris | they get fixed asap and go into 3.0.1 |
| 19:06 | nengard | you mean 3.2.1 |
| 19:06 | wizzyrea_ | 3.2.1 |
| 19:06 | cait | for example you cant use singlebranchmode atm |
| 19:06 | chris | yeah that one |
| 19:06 | nengard | :) |
| 19:06 | wizzyrea_ | :D |
| 19:06 | jinx nengard | |
| 19:07 | gmcharlt | I'll accept patches for major bugs, but they those bugs will not be allowed to hold up RC1 |
| 19:07 | slef | relabelled |
| 19:07 | tajoli | OK I will do a bug about it. Which level ? |
| 19:07 | gmcharlt | tajoli: normal, I'd say |
| 19:07 | chris | major tajoli |
| 19:07 | heh | |
| 19:07 | spot the translation manager :) | |
| 19:07 | * gmcharlt | thumb-wrestles with chris |
| 19:07 | chris | fredericd's job soon :) |
| 19:08 | gmcharlt | but anyway, in no event will general release happen later than the general meeting next month |
| 19:08 | * chris_n | cheers |
| 19:08 | * wizzyrea_ | cheers |
| 19:08 | chris | sounds like if we work hard, we could get rc1 out in the next week |
| 19:08 | gmcharlt | string freeze is in effect |
| 19:08 | chris | cool, ill regen the .po files |
| 19:09 | Nate | Nate Curulla, ByWater Solutions... sorry im late! |
| 19:09 | gmcharlt | so a general announcement to the translators to continue their good offices woudl be a good idea |
| 19:09 | slef | (hey, where's the Severity descriptions page gone from the help?) |
| 19:09 | * owen | finds string freezes to be unfair to kittens everywhere |
| 19:10 | tajoli | A question: what to do if the bug is present in 3.0 and 3.2. The exactly same code ? |
| 19:10 | nengard | LOL |
| 19:10 | owen | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]html#bug_severity |
| 19:10 | tajoli | Two entry in bugzilla or only one ? |
| 19:10 | slef | thanks owen! |
| 19:10 | gmcharlt | tajoli: one |
| 19:10 | tajoli | OK |
| 19:11 | thd | owen: 3.2.1 should have no shortage of kittens which had been frozen out of 3.2 |
| 19:11 | slef | tajoli: today I think it gets accepted into rel_3_2, then relabelled for rel_3_0. Mention that it applies to both! |
| 19:11 | tajoli | Clearly |
| 19:12 | slef | 3.2.1 gives me kittens |
| 19:12 | gmcharlt | any quesitons before we move to the update on 3.0? |
| 19:13 | chris | not from me |
| 19:13 | gmcharlt | ok, moving on, then - hdl? |
| 19:13 | hdl | yep |
| 19:14 | davi | here for a while |
| 19:14 | hdl | 3.0.7 will be issued in the next couple of weeks. |
| 19:14 | And will be the last of 3.0.x | |
| 19:16 | I still need some time to make a clean updatedatabase from 3.0 to 3.2 | |
| 19:16 | any questions comments ? | |
| 19:17 | gmcharlt | if not, on to the 3.4 update |
| 19:17 | chris | just a big thanks from me |
| 19:17 | gmcharlt | chris? |
| 19:17 | chris | right, ive been holding off talking about 3.4 too much, because its always more exciting to make new bugs instead of fixing old ones |
| 19:17 | but now 3.2 is nearly out, we can start thing about 3.4 | |
| 19:18 | chris_n | hehe |
| 19:18 | chris | patches that cant go into 3.2 have been pushed up in new/ branches in git |
| 19:18 | eg new/db_dump | |
| 19:18 | gmcharlt | (http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]FCs_for_Koha_3.4) |
| 19:19 | chris | until 3.2 is released and branched, this practice will continue |
| 19:19 | slef | should we review 3.0's roadmap and move bits that didn't happen to 3.4? |
| 19:19 | * gmcharlt | would vote for that practice continuing for non-trivial topics |
| 19:19 | nengard | chris are we supposed to be doing something diff with our patches to make it so that they make it into a new/ branch? or are you just picking what wasn't added to 3.2? |
| 19:19 | chris | if you want to label it [3.4] |
| 19:20 | that would make it easier, basically anything that is not a bug fix now, is not going into 3.2 anything that is a feature set, gets made into a branch | |
| 19:20 | gmcharlt | slef: I'd suggest reissuing a call for RFCs on anything that was proposed but not contributed |
| 19:20 | chris | yes, that is a good idea |
| 19:21 | gmcharlt | i.e., 3.2 RFCs that have a decent chance of actually getting code would be candidates for 3.4 |
| 19:21 | but legacy RFCs that never got done or never got submitted shouldn't be tacked on to the 3.4 list without discussion | |
| 19:21 | chris | if people wold like to put there names against things they plan to work on on that page also, that would be handy |
| 19:22 | eg, catalyst plan to work on the template::toolkit conversion and db schema abstraction | |
| 19:22 | jwagner | Question -- should sponsored new development be listed here? |
| 19:22 | chris | yes |
| 19:22 | chris_n | should RFCs also contain an associated bug# for an enhancement request? |
| 19:22 | chris | ideally yes |
| 19:22 | gmcharlt | ideally, yes |
| 19:23 | chris_n | and the bug marked as sponsored |
| 19:23 | snap | |
| 19:23 | slef | ok |
| 19:23 | paul_p | if we have time-based/frequent releases shouldn't we have a "RFC" page, with a column "timeline expected" and "integrated in version ..." ? |
| 19:23 | chris_n | +1 |
| 19:23 | paul_p | more than a RFC3.4, RFC36 ... |
| 19:23 | gmcharlt | paul_p: worth considering |
| 19:23 | chris_n | I think knowing a vendor's timeframe would be most helpful |
| 19:24 | thd | Knowing reality would also be helpful |
| 19:24 | Colin | it is important to know that an rfc is likely to be delivered |
| 19:24 | chris | yes |
| 19:24 | paul_p | yep |
| 19:24 | chris | and wether its under a 6 month embargo |
| 19:25 | jwagner | I'm concerned about the page getting overwhelmed. We have maybe a couple of _hundred_ features sponsored that we'll be listing within the next few weeks. |
| 19:25 | paul_p | (we already have most of the 3.4 BibLibre RFCs already written and on git.biblibre.com ...) |
| 19:25 | jwagner | Do you really want that much on the page? |
| 19:25 | chris | also, if we move to tighter releases, some features are not going to make it |
| 19:25 | chris_n | perhaps links from that page to the detailed RFCs? |
| 19:25 | chris | jwagner: if it actually is going to be sent as patches to be merged in |
| 19:25 | paul_p | jwagner: maybe a page for each module ? "RFC acq, RFC cataloguing, RFC serials,..." ? |
| 19:25 | * chris_n | hates having to scroll too far down a page |
| 19:26 | cait | +1 |
| 19:26 | hdl | paul_p: could be subcategories |
| 19:26 | paul_p | yes hdl |
| 19:26 | chris | also, if we are doing timebased, if something isnt ready, we wont be pushing it just to make the deadline, it will just have to miss that release |
| 19:26 | jwagner | paul_p, subpages might be preferable. How about a link to a complete list on another site? |
| 19:26 | thd | People should be encouraged to update originally anticipated timelines with current anticipation as reality takes over |
| 19:27 | chris_n | +1 |
| 19:27 | paul_p | chris, yes, a non ready feature would be delayed |
| 19:27 | cait | what is the time frame we are speaking of? |
| 19:27 | chris | also, a feature that has bugs would be removed |
| 19:27 | under true timebased | |
| 19:27 | chris_n | topic branches will definitely help with that sort of thing |
| 19:28 | nengard | should we look at other public rfc type pages and see how they're organized to give us ideas on how it's best done? |
| 19:28 | paul_p | easier to manage fast cycles : if the feature is ready say 1 month after the release, that would be easier to deal with : we deliver it to the customer, and we integrate it in next version |
| 19:28 | chris | chris_n: defnitely |
| 19:28 | hdl | but there would be a branch which could containe more patches. |
| 19:28 | nengard | I'd say a table with links to full descriptions, titles, expected dates, and sponsorship (based on what we're all saying) |
| 19:28 | chris_n | nengard: +1 |
| 19:28 | sekjal | I had proposed to the devel list that we do major releases (X.Y) on a features basis, and minor releases (X.Y.Z) on a timed basis. Is that feasible? |
| 19:28 | paul_p | nengard++ |
| 19:29 | chris | this is a major topic we are going to be working on at the developer conference in 4 months time |
| 19:29 | nengard | how cow! is it that soon!! :) |
| 19:29 | gmcharlt | nengard: which probably pushes some of it back to the bugs database, which would allow tagging of enh bugs and reporting on them |
| 19:29 | nengard | how = holy |
| 19:29 | chris_n | and bugzilla does some time tracking as well |
| 19:29 | * paul_p | still has to take his plane ticket... |
| 19:29 | nengard | i have mine! |
| 19:29 | and my hotel | |
| 19:29 | :) | |
| 19:30 | chris | estimated time of completion would make mine and colin's job a lot easier |
| 19:30 | cait | paul_p: me too |
| 19:30 | gmcharlt | sekjal: I think it's one or the other - once a branch hits maintenance mode, pushing bugfixes isn't generally an issue |
| 19:30 | hdl | the problem is that sometimes, feature branche and bug fixes branch touches the same files. |
| 19:31 | sekjal | gmcharlt: I'm thinking that new features slated for, say 3.4, could be added to 3.2.1 if they were completed early |
| 19:31 | and passed QA | |
| 19:31 | chris | ahh no |
| 19:31 | Colin | and had tests |
| 19:31 | * chris_n | says no, too |
| 19:31 | * paul_p | think it would be very hard, so say no too |
| 19:31 | chris_n | 3.2.x will only be bugfixes |
| 19:31 | chris | maybe if it had tests and made no db changes |
| 19:31 | tajoli | Personaly I prefer time bases releases also for major (x.Y) |
| 19:32 | Colin | or architecture changes |
| 19:32 | * chris_n | digs his feet in further |
| 19:32 | chris | :) |
| 19:32 | gmcharlt | chris_n++ # and if any features get added to 3.2.1 or later, I strongly suggest that they only be cherry-picks |
| 19:32 | slef | I suspect that the number of involved parties downstream of the developers may make ETAs too unreliable to be useful. Better to lay down koha schedule and let what makes it make it. |
| 19:32 | hdl | chris_n: I agree with you provided that the timeline for 3.4 is really short. |
| 19:32 | paul_p | yes, that's what I did for 2.2.x : new minor features without DB changes (or very minor ones like a new index) were added to 2.2.n+1 |
| 19:32 | chris_n | hdl: should be 6 months or there about |
| 19:32 | chris | slef: i think you are right |
| 19:32 | nengard | soemtimes time based is unreasonable - if there is a bug that's blocking release - then it's blocking release - no matter how long it takes to fix ... we can shoot for time based, but it's not always acheivable |
| 19:33 | paul_p | nengard: the hope is that with topic branches & tests & ... there won't be BLO introduced |
| 19:33 | nengard | got it |
| 19:33 | Colin | in cases like that the code that brought the bug gets pulled |
| 19:33 | chris_n | nengard: with an always stable HEAD it is possible |
| 19:33 | paul_p | even if I feel that will never be 100% sure |
| 19:33 | chris | Colin++ |
| 19:33 | joetho | I think a relatively fixed time period for releases sounds like a good idea, particularly for developer/vendor planning. |
| 19:33 | slef | nengard: pull out the code and release without that feature if possible |
| 19:33 | paul_p | wow .... fire in german goal area... |
| 19:34 | nengard | key words being 'if possible' |
| 19:34 | paul_p | s/goal/scoring/ |
| 19:34 | slef | (where is git demerge when we need it? ;-) ) |
| 19:34 | cait | paul_p: no fun to watch today |
| 19:34 | slef | paul_p: goal area is fine |
| 19:34 | gmcharlt | ye olde git revert |
| 19:34 | chris | well, the way it will work |
| 19:34 | slef | gmcharlt: depends if it made a release, then was found to BLO... but this is all corner case of a corner case |
| 19:35 | chris_n | plenty of QA should help avoid too many of those corner cases :) |
| 19:35 | paul_p | fire in spanish goal area now ... but still 0-0 ;-) |
| 19:35 | chris | slef: we do 3 weekly releases here, i have lots of experience pulling branches back out |
| 19:36 | (for another project not koha) | |
| 19:36 | paul_p | chris: do you deliver to a lot of customers this 3weekly releases ? |
| 19:36 | chris | a bugs a bug |
| 19:36 | paul_p | because I can't imagine to updage all our customers every 3 weeks ! |
| 19:37 | cait | I think you can always decide to skip one release |
| 19:37 | chris | nope wouldnt do koha every three weeks, just saying, pulling branches isnt that bad |
| 19:37 | paul_p | cait, of course. |
| 19:37 | chris, ok | |
| 19:37 | slef | chris: does it stuff up much? |
| 19:38 | chris | nope, merges are run multiple times a day, developers are emailed when there are conflicts |
| 19:38 | we havent had to roll back a release yet | |
| 19:38 | slef | cool |
| 19:39 | chris | which is lucky, cos its the second busiest website in nz hehe |
| 19:39 | paul_p | chris: could we have the tools you use to merge/mail/... that would be useful for a lot of us |
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| 19:39 | wizzyrea_ | prety sure luck doesn't really factor into it |
| 19:39 | chris | paul_p: yep i think so |
| 19:39 | paul_p | chris++ |
| 19:39 | that would be awesome ! | |
| 19:39 | chris | i plan to get some of our git gurus to talk at the dev conference also |
| 19:39 | thd | chris: Which is the first busiest website in NZ? |
| 19:39 | hdl | that would also help the project. |
| 19:40 | chris | trademe.co.nz |
| 19:40 | paul_p | git gurus++ |
| 19:40 | gmcharlt | a lot of also has to do with planning on having more topic branches from the start |
| 19:40 | chris | *nod* |
| 19:40 | we have a branch for every work request | |
| 19:40 | or bugzilla bug, in koha case | |
| 19:40 | paul_p | about topic branches : once a branch is merged, do you remove it or keep it ? |
| 19:40 | chris | thd: both are owned by fairfax |
| 19:41 | paul_p | because we tried to use branches. And we ended with hundreds of branches, and it was impossible to deal with all of them ! |
| 19:41 | chris | i delete my local ones |
| 19:41 | paul_p | (look at git.biblibre.com, you'll see ...) |
| 19:41 | chris | and push to the archive |
| 19:41 | gmcharlt | paul_p: depends on your workflow; certainly you can prune them once a topic branch has been merged in upstream |
| 19:42 | anyway, other question or comments about 3.4 before we move on in the agenda? | |
| 19:42 | paul_p | we decided to have a branch for each bug. I'm not sure it's a good idea now, we end with too many branches... |
| 19:42 | chris | i recommend for any developers who might be able to make it, come to kohacon :) |
| 19:42 | paul_p | yes, i've one gmcharlt !!! |
| 19:42 | what about our 500+ patches ;-) any news from catalyst chris ? | |
| 19:42 | chris | paul_p: i can show you how to manage that, we have a couple of thousand branches |
| 19:42 | paul_p | (and lars mail) |
| 19:43 | chris | paul_p: waiting for them to be rebased on master, and split into feature branches, then we can begin qa |
| 19:43 | jwagner | We usually do one branch per feature, although related ones may be combined. |
| 19:43 | paul_p | chris: would be pleased to learn ! |
| 19:43 | chris | jwagner: we do an int branch for that |
| 19:43 | bug_323_int_bug_453 | |
| 19:43 | eg | |
| 19:43 | paul_p | chris: lars wrote that maybe catalyst could dedicate some time to do that. Or did I misunderstood something ? |
| 19:44 | chris | paul_p: reed wrote that |
| 19:44 | and yep we can do QA | |
| 19:44 | hdl | chris : so you are not publicising all your branches then. |
| 19:44 | chris | hdl: this is for stuff, not koha |
| 19:44 | hdl | you just squahs merge the branches ? |
| 19:45 | chris yes... but we are all working on koha. And we will surely have quite a big tree | |
| 19:45 | chris | paul_p: we have signoff from the directors to use some resource from our QA team (catalyst has a dedicated qa team) |
| 19:45 | hdl | with kyle hall, masmedios, xercode, ptfs biblibre. |
| 19:45 | chris | hdl: lines of code is about the same |
| 19:46 | yes, linux kernel is quite big too hdl :) there are ways to do it | |
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| 19:46 | hdl | Sure. we just have too harmonize actions and work. |
| 19:47 | chris_n | chris: will the dev meetings from kohacon be recorded and published? |
| 19:47 | chris | yep, if you have a feature set, that is a discreet unit then the chances of it being able to be accepted multiple tenfold |
| 19:47 | * chris_n | thinks particularly of the git ones |
| 19:47 | chris | chris_n: ill see what i can do |
| 19:47 | thd | chris_n++ |
| 19:48 | chris | jwagner: back to the int branches, that means 1, both, or the other feature can go in, thats why we do it that way |
| 19:48 | paul_p | goal ! (for spain) |
| 19:48 | cait | nooo |
| 19:48 | jwagner | I was more referring to development work -- there may be specs for 2-3 different features, but they all touch the same code & are better done as one branch. |
| 19:48 | thd | :) |
| 19:49 | paul_p | ppl crying in the street :D some spanish ppl in Lille it seems ... |
| 19:49 | chris | yeah, id do them as 3 branches with an integration branch |
| 19:49 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 19:49 | moving on before the World Cup takes over the agenda | |
| 19:50 | chris_n | :) |
| 19:50 | thd | :) |
| 19:50 | gmcharlt | regarding action items from the previous meeting |
| 19:50 | paul_p | gmcharlt++ |
| 19:50 | rhcl | What's the World Cup? |
| 19:50 | * jwagner | has never understood football/soccer/whatever you call it |
| 19:50 | gmcharlt | rhcl: hush, you silly American ;) |
| 19:50 | paul_p | lol |
| 19:50 | thd | I have an issue from the previous meeting relating to license upgrade. |
| 19:50 | gmcharlt | anyway, regarding the action items - looks like the AGPL discussion has resumed on the mailnig lists |
| 19:51 | and I suggest that that discussion stay there for now, unless something can be brought up briefly | |
| 19:51 | paul_p | gmcharlt: ++ |
| 19:51 | chris | +1 |
| 19:51 | cait | +1 |
| 19:51 | thd | No one has commented on this message, http://tinyurl.com/24nwjdv , which is truncated in the Katipo archive. |
| 19:51 | chris_n | +1 |
| 19:51 | scott | Haven't you heard, we're Ameripean's now? |
| 19:53 | thd | I would like to encourage people to comment on the conclusion from Aaron Williamson in the 4 July message about the inclusion of unmodified third party modules in the Corresponding Source. |
| 19:53 | ... under AGPL 3 specific obligations. | |
| 19:53 | gmcharlt | thd: noted with thanks |
| 19:54 | thd | that was my 4 July message which quoted a message from Aaron a couple of days before. |
| 19:55 | chris | ok bus time |
| 19:55 | slef | I'm a little confused by having multiple threads of very long messages. I don't know how well anyone else is coping? |
| 19:55 | chris | i hope i make it before i miss the last one |
| 19:55 | will try to be back from the phone | |
| 19:55 | slef | run chris run |
| 19:55 | thd | slef: I agree about the multiple threads |
| 19:55 | gmcharlt | thd: slef: takes a while to digest them, for sure |
| 19:56 | * chris_n | is awash in thd's research as well |
| 19:56 | chris_n | not to detract from its value :) |
| 19:56 | paul_p | another news : there will be soon a new chris... a french one. Christophe Croullebois will start working for BibLibre on jul, 19th ;-) |
| 19:56 | too many chris on koha :D | |
| 19:56 | wizzyrea_ | oh sweet, chris's on 3 continents. I like. |
| 19:56 | thd | I will start returning to my usual practise of introducing new threads for specific topics now that I am over a major confusion with Aaron. |
| 19:57 | chris_n | more_chris_s++ |
| 19:57 | paul_p | there will also be a Stéphane (Delaune) |
| 19:57 | gmcharlt | paul_p: we'll just refer to him as M. Croullebois ;) |
| 19:57 | paul_p | (2 new developers) |
| 19:57 | wizzyrea_ | biblibre++ |
| 19:57 | gmcharlt | anway, to close this meeting, let's set the time for the next one |
| 19:57 | first Wednesday of August is the 4th | |
| 19:57 | chris_n | +1 |
| 19:57 | * paul_p | will be in holiday |
| 19:58 | gmcharlt | 10:00 UTC+0 ? |
| 19:58 | paul_p | (july 19th to aug 8th) |
| 19:58 | slef | We have probable new workers in process, but it's not so simple as hiring/firing. |
| 19:58 | paul_p | slef: you don't know french laws : firing someone is harder than you can imagine here ;-) |
| 19:58 | thd | Is after 8 August OK for others? |
| 19:58 | chris_n | maybe aug 11? |
| 19:59 | slef | I think I will be UTC-5 then, so might not make it. |
| 19:59 | * owen | can't make that time FWIW |
| 19:59 | gmcharlt | ok, how about |
| 19:59 | 8/11 19:00 UTC+0 ? | |
| 19:59 | thd | slef: are you coming to the US? |
| 20:00 | chris_n | +1 |
| 20:00 | thd | +1 |
| 20:00 | * gmcharlt | selfishingly prefers that anyway :) |
| 20:00 | owen | +1 |
| 20:00 | chris | Back |
| 20:00 | sekjal | +1 |
| 20:00 | cait | +1 |
| 20:00 | owen | consensus from the Americans ;) |
| 20:00 | chris_n | hehe |
| 20:01 | hdl | +1 |
| 20:01 | Colin | +1 from europe |
| 20:01 | tajoli | +1 |
| 20:01 | slef | +1 |
| 20:01 | thd | chris is 8/11 19:00 UTC+0 good for the next meeting for you. |
| 20:01 | paul_p | but aug, 8th is a sunday ! |
| 20:01 | thd | ? |
| 20:01 | paul_p | oups, sorry |
| 20:01 | * chris_n | looks to see if Colin is wearing an orange bow tie ;-) |
| 20:01 | slef | thd: later. |
| 20:01 | paul_p | silly americans that put months first ;-) |
| 20:02 | gmcharlt | ok, I'm going to call it - next general meeting is Wednesday, 11 August 2010 at 19:00 UTC+0 |
| 20:02 | paul_p | OK for aug, 11th |
| 20:02 | slef | 2010-08-11 |
| 20:02 | gmcharlt | thanks, everybody! |
| 20:02 | thd | paul_p months should be first in ISO format. |
| 20:02 | paul_p the silly Americans put the months first and then the year last. | |
| 20:03 | paul_p | thd: was joking ;-) |
| 20:03 | thd | Months first and the year last is a sin against rationality. |
| 20:03 | I was not joking :) | |
| 20:04 | gmcharlt | thd: well, the US is not Laputia, so that's OK ;) |
| 20:04 | thd | Natural language is also a sin against rationality :) |
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| 20:05 | hdl | thd: pray for us sinners. |
| 20:06 | cait | 3 minutes... |
| 20:06 | chris | Works for me |
| 20:07 | And made it to the bus | |
| 20:07 | cait | before world cup is over for germany |
| 20:07 | now 2 | |
| 20:07 | scott | That's Ameri-peans, Owen |
| 20:08 | larsw | good morning |
| 20:08 | chris | Hi larsw |
| 20:09 | paul_p | hi larsw & good morning to you |
| 20:09 | Colin | sorry cait |
| 20:09 | cait | hi larsw |
| 20:09 | paul_p | sorry cait |
| 20:09 | really expected germany to win. | |
| 20:10 | * cait | cries a little bit |
| 20:10 | * paul_p | will support oranje for the final I think |
| 20:10 | slef | new world cup winners, here we go! |
| 20:10 | paul_p | right slef |
| 20:10 | slef | I will support Spain because they put out Germany who put out England (and who cares we were awful) |
| 20:10 | cait | ok. that was enough sports for me until the next world cup |
| 20:11 | Colin | hop holland ( and orange everything) |
| 20:11 | paul_p | slef: right, england were awful. Not like the great french team that did really a great competition :D :D |
| 20:11 | chris | Rugby world cup next year |
| 20:11 | In nz | |
| 20:11 | slef | paul_p: yeah, but that was self-harm. Our lot didn't even have the energy to riot. |
| 20:12 | football presenter on netherlands tv is wearing a bright purple jacket and mauve shirt! | |
| 20:12 | hdl | ok thanks a lot gmcharlt and chris |
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| 20:13 | chris | Thank you hdl |
| 20:13 | davi | Spain finalist :) |
| 20:14 | chris | Bueno |
| 20:14 | davi | S� |
| 20:14 | chris | Sad for cait but a new country is good |
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| 20:15 | richard | hi |
| 20:15 | chris | Hi richard |
| 20:15 | Cold in island bay today eh? | |
| 20:15 | richard | sure is |
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| 20:16 | richard | took the dogs for a walk this morning and just about froze my face off |
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| 20:17 | chris | Yeah that wind is crazy cold |
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| 20:18 | owen | chris do you have a moment for a Perl question? |
| 20:19 | chris | Yep |
| 20:19 | owen | There are parts of Circulation.pm which look like this: $issuingimpossible{USERBLOCKEDREMAINING} = $count; |
| 20:19 | Is there a significance to the upper-case? | |
| 20:19 | chris | right |
| 20:19 | That's a hash | |
| 20:19 | Yes | |
| 20:20 | In perl U != u | |
| 20:22 | Not sure why that was chosen as the hash key | |
| 20:22 | But it is a different key to the lowercase word | |
| 20:23 | Is that what you were asking? | |
| 20:23 | owen | But the fact that it is in upper case doesn't signify something in itself? |
| 20:23 | chris | Nope |
| 20:23 | Its just a string | |
| 20:24 | owen | I'm looking in particular at this, on line 858: $needsconfirmation{RESERVED} = |
| 20:24 | "$res->{'reservedate'} : $resborrower->{'firstname'} $resborrower->{'surname'} ($resborrower->{'cardnumber'})"; | |
| 20:24 | The script is cramming a bunch of strings together so I was looking to split them out into their own variables | |
| 20:24 | chris | Normally I put ' around them |
| 20:25 | But if its a single word you don't have to | |
| 20:25 | Right | |
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| 20:25 | chris | Id write that as $ |
| 20:26 | Gah | |
| 20:26 | Makes sense | |
| 20:26 | I have fat fingers today | |
| 20:26 | Can't type good on the phone | |
| 20:27 | slef | off for dinner |
| 20:27 | chris | A hash key can be any string |
| 20:27 | 'reserve date' eg | |
| 20:29 | owen | Okay, whatever wasn't working for me this morning is working now. I thought I was missing some arcane bit of syntax knowledge |
| 20:29 | chris | So reserved could be set 1 if there is a reserve |
| 20:29 | Then you could assign the rest to other hash keys | |
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| 20:31 | chris | Ok my stop soon bbiab |
| 20:31 | owen | Thanks chris, see you later |
| 20:31 | * owen | wraps it up for the day |
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| 20:41 | chris | back |
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| 22:13 | chris | hi reed |
| 22:14 | robin | g'morning everyone |
| 22:14 | chris | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]10-07-07#i_467905 meeting log if you are interested |
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| 22:30 | Topic for #koha is now Koha, a free integrated library system - http://koha-community.org/. Logged: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/. Pastes: http://paste.koha-community.org | |
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| 22:34 | richard | thanks chris |
| 22:36 | chris | so i have a question |
| 22:36 | for anyone who is hear | |
| 22:36 | here too | |
| 22:37 | do any libraries have no charge to issue an item, but one to renew it? | |
| 22:37 | if so, how do you handle that in koha, if we cant currently i need to add it | |
| 22:37 | * wizzyrea_ | doesn't have any of those |
| 22:38 | chris | yeah, this is my first one |
| 22:38 | im suspecting i need to add a new column to itemtypes | |
| 22:38 | so instead of charge | |
| 22:38 | we have issue charge, and renewal charge | |
| 22:39 | richard | chris: i'm pretty sure that rangitikei wanted something similar |
| 22:39 | chris | well 2 now :) |
| 22:39 | 2 is enough to do it :) | |
| 22:39 | seems like 2 columsn would allow for whatever you wanted to set | |
| 22:40 | both 0 for no charges, etc | |
| 22:40 | both 1 for $1 for an issue and again for a renewal | |
| 22:40 | anyone see fatal flaws in my plan? | |
| 22:40 | wizzyrea_ | ew and the requisite issuing rules |
| 22:40 | to define that behavior | |
| 22:41 | sorry maybe that one's obvious | |
| 22:41 | chris | well i dont think that needs changing |
| 22:41 | i think the discount column just applies to both | |
| 22:41 | wizzyrea_ | you don't need a place to define "pay 1 dollar for renewal" instead of "renew for free" |
| 22:41 | ? | |
| 22:41 | chris | itemtypes |
| 22:41 | 2 columsn there | |
| 22:41 | wizzyrea_ | oh I see |
| 22:42 | chris | issue charge and renewal charge |
| 22:42 | instead of just charge like now | |
| 22:42 | which doubles for both | |
| 22:42 | wizzyrea_ | so you're gonna force an itype for charged renewals |
| 22:42 | chris | yes |
| 22:42 | wizzyrea_ | sorry took me a minute to wrap my head around it |
| 22:42 | chris | if you have items that only incur a renewal charge |
| 22:43 | the library in question never charges for issues | |
| 22:43 | only for renewals | |
| 22:43 | so no new itemtypes for them | |
| 22:43 | wizzyrea_ | and this will be defined in addition or alongside reserve rules |
| 22:43 | chris | no you just set the charge amount in itemtypes |
| 22:44 | then if you want to make it not apply to a borrower category | |
| 22:44 | you make a rule in smart rules | |
| 22:44 | and set the discount to 100% | |
| 22:44 | wizzyrea_ | ah, then no, I don't see any fatal flaws there |
| 22:45 | chris | cool |
| 22:45 | i wont have to reject it when i send it to myself then | |
| 22:45 | :) | |
| 22:45 | wizzyrea_ | haha |
| 22:45 | chris | ill add it, and HDC can test |
| 22:45 | then in 10983 months ill release it | |
| 22:46 | wizzyrea_ | and make sure it's based on the code available today |
| 22:46 | chris | oh i was planning on basing it on 2003 |
| 22:46 | wizzyrea_ | instead of the code available then |
| 22:47 | * chris | stops snarking and goes to write some code |
| 22:47 | wizzyrea_ | lol |
| 22:47 | sorry, I'm a snark enabler | |
| 22:48 | chris | well they dont make a small target :) |
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| 22:55 | reed | ooo, forgot there was a mtg |
| 22:55 | chris | heya druthb |
| 22:55 | druthb | hi chris. |
| 22:55 | wizzyrea_ | yo ruth howareya |
| 22:56 | druthb | 'm good, wizzyrea_! :D |
| 22:56 | chris | @wunder washington,dc |
| 22:56 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Eckington Pl, NE, Washington, District of Columbia is 37.2�C (6:56 PM EDT on July 07, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 11 PM EDT this evening... |
| 22:57 | chris | thats pretty warm |
| 22:57 | you can surely spare 10 degrees for us | |
| 22:57 | :) | |
| 22:57 | druthb | yah. warm enough to want to stay indoors a lot. |
| 22:57 | Supposed to rain tomorrow; we shall see. | |
| 22:57 | wizzyrea_ | @wunder lawrence, ks |
| 22:57 | munin | wizzyrea_: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 29.1�C (5:57 PM CDT on July 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Falling). |
| 23:00 | druthb | "This is Lawrence KS...is anybody listening? Anybody at all..." |
| 23:00 | chris | heh |
| 23:00 | * druthb | watched "The Day After" recently.. |
| 23:00 | wizzyrea_ | heh |
| 23:00 | that always kind of creeped me out | |
| 23:00 | chris | nz made a film like that |
| 23:00 | called quiet earth | |
| 23:01 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T[…]uiet_Earth_(film) | |
| 23:01 | druthb | The first time it showed, I was in high school. And Nightline was right after--first thing they said was "Look out your window; your neighborhood is still there." |
| 23:01 | chris | heh |
| 23:02 | robin | ohh, I haven't seen that. |
| 23:03 | druthb | that looks sooooo good! |
| 23:03 | * robin | adds to his Fatso list |
| 23:03 | chris | we should ahve a kohacon nz film night :) |
| 23:04 | wizzyrea_ | hehe |
| 23:05 | druthb | My first movie of that genre, that I recall, was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D[…]_Alley_%28film%29 .. |
| 23:05 | I was okay until the killer cockroaches. That wierded me right out. | |
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| 23:17 | chris | yeah, that'd do it |
| 23:30 | robin | What's the best URL for pointing people at Koha mailing lists? |
| 23:30 | Preferably non-technical-oriented | |
| 23:31 | chris | http://koha-community.org/support/ |
| 23:34 | * druthb | waves. |
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