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| 02:03 | Genji | hiya all. |
| 02:03 | does the icuchains truncation issue still exist? | |
| 02:05 | using truncation 5=1, zero results. using 2=102 instead (relevance) i get 3000 | |
| 02:44 | casper | how do I make the look of the frontend nicer. |
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| 04:00 | chris | casper: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=160 |
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| 06:20 | robin | anyone know what the expected exiry date for a new patron is? It's broken in head, and I'm planning on fixing it. But, fix it to what? 100 years in the future? |
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| 06:34 | robin | ahh, it should work it out from the patron type. |
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| 07:04 | Ropuch | Morning #koha |
| 07:15 | hdl | Hi |
| 07:20 | Amit | hi hdl, ropuch |
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| 08:35 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 08:35 | kf is now known as kf|mtg | |
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| 08:46 | casper | hi i just installed koha, but i can't access from port 80 |
| 08:46 | port 8080 is fine | |
| 08:58 | hdl | casper: you may have to disable default apache2 server. |
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| 09:52 | chris | hopefully thats another blocker fixed, i think just one left |
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| 10:48 | druthb | hello, #koha |
| 10:50 | kf|mtg | hi druthb |
| 10:50 | druthb | :D |
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| 11:03 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 11:08 | jwagner | Morning, all |
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| 11:33 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 11:33 | munin | gmcharlt: Quote #74: "<owen> chris: Not to mention the cute kid quote AI you've been developing. that takes a lot of cycles" (added by gmcharlt at 09:11 AM, May 18, 2010) |
| 11:35 | druthb | @quote random |
| 11:35 | munin | druthb: Quote #46: "<brendan> tip - don't pet a burning dog" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 11:08 PM, November 13, 2009) |
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| 11:56 | druthb | g'mornin, nengard! |
| 11:56 | nengard | howdy |
| 11:56 | sorry i missed you yesterday | |
| 11:56 | was playing a game :) | |
| 11:56 | didn't see the chat window | |
| 11:56 | druthb | :) I think I'm about the only facebook-er who doesn't ever, ever do that,. |
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| 12:00 | nengard | play games or ignore chats?? |
| 12:02 | druthb | play games. |
| 12:02 | I do, in fact, ignore chats occasionally...but only from certain people, and fairly rarely, at that. | |
| 12:03 | jwagner | I don't either. And I block just about all the cutesy apps people use.... |
| 12:03 | nengard | jwagner i do that too - i was on a game on my computer - not facebook :) |
| 12:03 | i go through phases where i play - and it's always an old game | |
| 12:03 | yesterday it was dungeon keeper a game i played in college ;) | |
| 12:03 | * druthb | loves Dungeon Keeper. |
| 12:03 | nengard | :) |
| 12:03 | jwagner | I never did get into computer games much. Spider and Freecell are about it. |
| 12:04 | nengard | well it crashed on me :( doesn't like new computers |
| 12:04 | druthb | That narrator-voice is awesome: "Your dungeon is damp! Install central heating." |
| 12:04 | nengard | LOL |
| 12:05 | druthb | "Your dungeon floor is not level; angry creatures cannot play marbles." |
| 12:05 | nengard | oh boy |
| 12:06 | druthb | hehe |
| 12:08 | kf|mtg | :) |
| 12:10 | jwagner | nengard, no joy on Bug 2434 -- I still see them. |
| 12:10 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2434 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, REOPENED, Remove unimplemented upcoming events message |
| 12:11 | nengard | did you run the update script? |
| 12:11 | jwagner | Maybe sites are just going to have to delete those manually? |
| 12:11 | nengard | cause it's in there there to remove them |
| 12:11 | jwagner | I did a git pull -- didn't run the script manually. |
| 12:11 | nengard | i promise :) |
| 12:11 | when you did the pull did it prompt you to upgrade when you went to the website | |
| 12:11 | jwagner | Nope. |
| 12:12 | Just ran it manually. Let's see what that did. | |
| 12:12 | Nope, didn't remove them. | |
| 12:13 | nengard | grrrrr |
| 12:13 | hang on | |
| 12:14 | this is in the update script: DELETE FROM message_transports WHERE message_attribute_id=3; | |
| 12:14 | try to run the sql by itself | |
| 12:16 | maybe that's wrong in some way | |
| 12:17 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4188 Valid PDF file name when printing basket group with no name <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]424e0c0a20f711adb> / Bug 2725: Fixes uppercasesurnames preference. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7a0e9f1bc0e18ec3d> |
| 12:20 | nengard | k time tod o training |
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| 12:27 | munin | New commit(s) kohagit: bug 4139: set DBrev to 143 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4cfca8c1dd58313f1> / Bug 4139 - Adding some indexes to deal with a performance issue with overdue reports <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6051830a739d45783> |
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| 12:44 | owen | Hi #koha |
| 12:45 | druthb | hi, owen! |
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| 13:05 | jcamins_a | Good morning, #koha |
| 13:05 | jwagner | Morning |
| 13:05 | Nate | morning! |
| 13:05 | @wunder 06516 | |
| 13:06 | munin | Nate: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is 30.2�C (9:09 AM EDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect from 11 am this morning to 7 PM EDT this evening... |
| 13:06 | Nate | ugh |
| 13:06 | jcamins_a is now known as jcamins | |
| 13:06 | jcamins | @wunder 11105 |
| 13:06 | munin | jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 33.3�C (9:15 AM EDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 7 PM EDT Wednesday... |
| 13:07 | jcamins | Oh, lucky me. It's *even hotter* in Astoria. |
| 13:07 | Nate | crank that AC! |
| 13:07 | jcamins | Stay in my climate controlled office until the security guard throws me out1 |
| 13:08 | Nate | :) |
| 13:08 | jcamins | That was supposed to be an exclamation mark, not a '1'. |
| 13:09 | jwagner | @wunder 20740 |
| 13:09 | munin | jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 31.7�C (9:19 AM EDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 11 PM EDT Wednesday... |
| 13:10 | jwagner | We have Code Red air quality alerts -- I'm working from home rather than trying to breathe the smog soup.... |
| 13:12 | jcamins | Probably wise. |
| 13:12 | Nate | smog soup... yummy |
| 13:12 | owen | @wunder 45701 |
| 13:12 | munin | owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 27.2�C (9:15 AM EDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising). |
| 13:12 | Nate | can I please have the waiter crush some harmful particulates over my smog soup? |
| 13:12 | druthb | my allergies are kicking up big-time today; probably the smog soup. |
| 13:13 | owen | Always nice not to have anything *bold* in my weather report |
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| 13:16 | VP | Hi |
| 13:16 | owen | Hi VP |
| 13:17 | VP | Just had a Workshop on KOHA and DSpace |
| 13:18 | Will be requesting ur help in future | |
| 13:18 | Thanks. | |
| 13:18 | jwagner | VP, no problem, ask away :-) |
| 13:18 | * owen | pictures giving Koha help in the year 3000 |
| 13:19 | jwagner | There's an SF club I know of which allegedly has it in the charter that Death Does Not Release members from obligations. |
| 13:20 | owen | They should also have a rule that says if time travel becomes possible club members must return to the past to let everyone know. |
| 13:20 | jwagner | Hmmm. Haven't heard if that one's in the charter, but it would be a good one. |
| 13:21 | VP | Really glad to see the way u are offering support. Thanks and good bye. |
| 13:22 | owen | The trouble is, the time-traveling future might be so great no one wants to go back to now |
| 13:22 | jwagner | Nah, there will always be something to complain about. And things will always have been better in The Good Old Days. |
| 13:22 | druthb | since I have not walked into my office to talk to me about it yet.. |
| 13:23 | * druthb | stubs her toe on a paradox. |
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| 13:24 | * druthb | raises an eyebrow. |
| 13:26 | sekjal | morning, #koha |
| 13:27 | druthb | hi, sekjal! |
| 13:27 | sekjal | hi, druthb! |
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| 13:28 | owen_3000 | I bring you a warning from the year 3000! |
| 13:28 | * owen | stares aghast at the harrowing vision of owen_3000 |
| 13:28 | druthb | (!) |
| 13:28 | (!!) | |
| 13:29 | owen_3000 | In the year 2785 all Koha installations in the world will grow together into one sentient super-organism! |
| 13:29 | You'll destroy us all! | |
| 13:29 | druthb | oh, is that all? |
| 13:30 | Gosh, and I thought there was *bad* news...like, you know, a functional SirsiDynix release or something. | |
| 13:30 | * owen_3000 | falls to his knees and shouts, "You bastards! You blew it up!" |
| 13:30 | Damn you all to hell! | |
| 13:30 | dies | |
| 13:30 | gmcharlt | owen_3000: that could be messy - does the Koha super-organism have diplomatic relations with the Evergreen super-consortium? |
| 13:30 | owen_3000 left #koha | |
| 13:30 | gmcharlt | ah, too late |
| 13:31 | owen | Horrible. I'm going to quit my job and go into the printed card catalog business |
| 13:31 | druthb | poor future-owen. |
| 13:32 | But look at it this way, owen--you'll live a long time! | |
| 13:32 | owen | Good point. |
| 13:32 | Unless owen_3000 was a recreation of present owen based on Koha IRC logs | |
| 13:33 | druthb | plan to retire at 65, and let your descendants support you for the next 900-ish years. |
| 13:34 | No, definitely beamed in from the future. Present-owen isn't a raving maniac like that. | |
| 13:35 | owen | Yeah, reconstituted-from-IRC-logs owen would be totally onboard with the Koha world organism. |
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| 13:39 | wizzyrea | ... |
| 13:40 | don't you just love it when you walk into a conversation like that | |
| 13:40 | druthb | g'morning, wizzyrea. |
| 13:40 | wizzyrea | good mornin druthb |
| 13:40 | jwagner | Just your normal time-traveling morning on the IRC, wizzyrea. |
| 13:40 | wizzyrea | I'm hoping everyone had a lovely 3 day weekend |
| 13:40 | well, US'ian | |
| 13:40 | s | |
| 13:41 | jcamins | Good morning, wizzyrea. |
| 13:41 | I'm glad to see you didn't melt over your lovely 3 day weekend. | |
| 13:44 | wizzyrea | couldn't have if I'd tried, it was rainy and cool |
| 13:44 | :D | |
| 13:44 | perfect 4th weather, imo | |
| 13:44 | * jcamins | didn't realize that melted people could type, but here he is, oozing proof to the contrary. :) |
| 13:44 | wizzyrea | ...unless you're referring to the wizard of oz |
| 13:44 | jcamins | No, the weather. |
| 13:45 | wizzyrea | oh good |
| 13:45 | (meaning the wicked witch of the west melts when doused with water) | |
| 13:45 | jcamins | Right, but the Wizard doesn't melt. |
| 13:45 | wizzyrea | aha, I see what you did there |
| 13:47 | jcamins | wizzyrea: Is the preferred naming convention on the wiki something like "Koha on FreeBSD" or "FreeBSD"? |
| 13:47 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Koha_on_FreeBSD | |
| 13:48 | That's what I have now, but I want to make sure I do it right. | |
| 13:48 | Hm. Slight formatting problem there. | |
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| 13:50 | wizzyrea | I think it used to be Installing_Koha_on_xxx or Installing_Koha-xxx |
| 13:50 | I would probably prefer the 2nd: installing_koha-xxx | |
| 13:50 | where xxx is the distro/OS | |
| 13:51 | I don't actually see any others | |
| 13:51 | jcamins | They're now all under "Koha on xxx" or "xxx" |
| 13:52 | But we could change them to "Installing Koha-FreeBSD" | |
| 13:52 | I would think. | |
| 13:52 | wizzyrea | you're right |
| 13:52 | just do koha on xxx | |
| 13:52 | but that's dumb, i had to search to find them | |
| 13:52 | and that shouldn't be | |
| 13:52 | so | |
| 13:52 | imma look into that | |
| 13:53 | oh I see now, but wow that is not obvious | |
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| 13:56 | owen | I'm surprised we don't have a "save as new" option when editing items |
| 13:57 | jcamins | It would be a very useful feature. |
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| 14:06 | wizzyrea | that's in 3.2 I think |
| 14:06 | or, duplicate this item | |
| 14:06 | owen | Yeah, that's only when adding |
| 14:06 | wizzyrea | which might not be *exactly* the samet hing |
| 14:07 | owen | You can't click to edit something and then say "Save these changes as a new item" |
| 14:07 | wizzyrea | ahh I see |
| 14:14 | I did not realize koha allowed this "Enter a summary that will overwrite the default one in search results lists. Example, for a website itemtype : | |
| 14:14 | <a href="[856u]">open site</a> will show the link just below the title" | |
| 14:14 | very cool. I'm sure you all knew this but I just discovered it. | |
| 14:15 | can you do that with any marc subfield? bracket it and it will show what's in there? | |
| 14:16 | and if so, why aren't we using a similar mechanic to customize search results and detail pages? (or maybe it doesn't work that way) | |
| 14:17 | jwagner | wizzyrea, I always assumed that only applied to URLs. Not that I've ever tested it otherwise. |
| 14:17 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I think that only works if you don't use XSLT. |
| 14:18 | wizzyrea | hrm |
| 14:18 | jcamins | I may be wrong. |
| 14:18 | I'd like to be wrong. | |
| 14:18 | kf|mtg | jcamins: I think oyu could be right |
| 14:19 | jwagner | I think you're right, jcamins -- it's a syspref, and XSLT didn't read sysprefs until we added a few into the code. That wasn't one of them. |
| 14:19 | There's no mechanism in the XSLT files to use that substitution either. | |
| 14:20 | jcamins | That might be a useful feature. |
| 14:21 | kf|mtg is now known as kf | |
| 14:21 | kf | ah, back to normal |
| 14:21 | jcamins | On the subject of XSLT, would anyone other than me find the ability to configure multiple XSLT stylesheets useful? |
| 14:21 | wizzyrea | ^^ I would |
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| 14:22 | owen | Based on what? |
| 14:22 | wizzyrea | hey davi |
| 14:22 | jcamins | I was thinking of a syspref. |
| 14:22 | jwagner | I've been wanting to be able to use remotely-stored XSLT for a while. |
| 14:22 | jcamins | I need to interface Koha with my catalog generator, and I'd kind of like to do it right. |
| 14:23 | davi | hi wizzyrea |
| 14:23 | rebooting | |
| 14:27 | owen | jwagner: I thought someone recently added the option to specify a URL for an XSL file |
| 14:27 | jcamins | The part that leaves me kind of baffled is how to allow users to specify in a syspref the number of tabs they want. |
| 14:28 | owen | jcamins: So you want to offer multiple views of the same record? |
| 14:28 | jcamins | Right. |
| 14:28 | jwagner | owen, BibLibre has something in the works; don't think it's been pushed yet. |
| 14:29 | jcamins | Not only would it put me that much closer to interfacing with cataloggen (http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/3154 ), several of our patrons here have asked for something along those lines. |
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| 14:52 | CGI627 | gmcharlt, you helped me Friday with a problem I was having of not being able to view Korean text when uploading records in koha |
| 14:52 | gmcharlt | hi CGI627 |
| 14:53 | did it work? | |
| 14:53 | CGI627 | Not quite yet... |
| 14:53 | I input the mysql command to set the encoding to EUC-KR... | |
| 14:54 | and then I upgraded the Perl module called Text:Iconv | |
| 14:54 | kf | bye all |
| 14:54 | gmcharlt | on the command line, run |
| 14:54 | iconv -l|grep EUC-KR | |
| 14:54 | and see if it turns up a result | |
| 14:55 | CGI627 | I'll do it...just a minute or so |
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| 14:57 | wizzyrea | owen: I just closed 3265, in my tests it's working just right. |
| 14:57 | which means 3781 is probably also closeable | |
| 14:58 | CGI627 | We are updating Koha and then we will try what you said, gmcharlt |
| 14:58 | owen | wizzyrea: How did you know I was just looking at those bugs? |
| 14:58 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 14:58 | wizzyrea | I'm PSYCHIC. |
| 14:58 | (no, mickey sent me mail saying you had commented) | |
| 14:58 | ;) | |
| 14:59 | owen | I'm going to close 3781 as well |
| 14:59 | wizzyrea | too slow! |
| 14:59 | CGI627 | We will log back into this chat forum if we need more help. Thanks! |
| 14:59 | wizzyrea | 627: the official koha website is http://www.koha-community.org |
| 14:59 | just fyi | |
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| 15:00 | wizzyrea | (that is to say, I have already closed it) |
| 15:00 | owen | Oh okay |
| 15:00 | wizzyrea | sorry to deprive you of that small pleasure :) |
| 15:01 | I don't really understand what he's saying here: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3801 | |
| 15:01 | munin | 04Bug 3801: major, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, Cannot add item type, due to renewalsallowed deletion |
| 15:02 | owen | Sounds like the renewalsallowed column was removed from the database and new item types couldn't be added? |
| 15:02 | gmcharlt | that's what happened |
| 15:03 | but as far as I can tell, that bug is closeable | |
| 15:03 | wizzyrea | ok cool. Owen, do you want to do the honors? |
| 15:03 | :D | |
| 15:03 | since I stole yours | |
| 15:03 | (yea, I was just able to add an itype) | |
| 15:03 | owen | Oh no, please go ahead :) |
| 15:03 | wizzyrea | and use said itype |
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| 15:14 | owen | I don't understand what this patch does for Bug 3786: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/010462.html |
| 15:14 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3786 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, Via items edition, cannot go to ISBD/MARC views |
| 15:17 | wizzyrea | I think he means that the tabs for ISBD/MARC view don't work when on additem.pl |
| 15:18 | owen | If that's the case I don't get what the patch does for that problem |
| 15:31 | ...but it works as advertised. | |
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| 15:38 | zevlag | I upgraded from Debian 4.0 to 5.0 and now koha is giving me this error when I visit the web: http://pastebin.org/384519 |
| 15:43 | jcamins | zevlag: It looks to make like you may have upgraded to a different version of Perl as part of the upgrade. |
| 15:43 | *It looks to me | |
| 15:44 | zevlag | yes, that may have happened, do I need to downgrade, set a default, or just install the modules again? |
| 15:44 | jcamins | I would try reinstalling the modules. |
| 15:45 | Just to check exactly what's going on, though, you might want to run perl --version | |
| 15:46 | zevlag | jcamins: 5.10.0 |
| 15:46 | jcamins | Okay. Then, yeah, try reinstalling the modules. |
| 15:47 | zevlag | is there a list of which module koha needs somewhere? or should I just install/refresh until it doesn't complain anymore? |
| 15:47 | jcamins | What version of Koha do you have? |
| 15:49 | zevlag | 3.01.00.061 |
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| 15:49 | jcamins | Same version we have, then. There's a list of dependencies in kohaclone/debian/control |
| 15:50 | I don't actually know much about using Debian, but hopefully you know how to reinstall packages. | |
| 15:50 | zevlag | yep, that I can do |
| 15:50 | Working on it now | |
| 15:50 | owen | Ugh. Staff client detail page not showing whether an item is on hold. :( |
| 15:50 | CGI753 | gmcharlt, so we have been trying to get the Korean text to work |
| 15:50 | So far, no dice. | |
| 15:51 | gmcharlt | did you try running the iconv command I posted to see if EUC-KR is supported by your local system's iconv? |
| 15:52 | CGI753 | Yes, we ran the iconv command but we still could not see Korean |
| 15:52 | gmcharlt | what Linux distribution are you using? |
| 15:52 | CGI753 | I know the command line step worked because my z3950 search shows that the encoding has been changed to EUC-KR |
| 15:53 | gmcharlt | right, but what does |
| 15:53 | iconv -l | grep EUC-KR | |
| 15:53 | show you? | |
| 15:53 | CGI753 | I am going to do that right now. What should it show me? |
| 15:53 | gmcharlt | it should print "EUC-KR" if that's supported by your local iconv |
| 15:53 | CGI753 | Ok, I'll try it |
| 15:55 | Before I do that, the problem we are having is that after we upgraded the Perl module like you said, we updated Koha and now Koha seems to be stuck | |
| 15:56 | It seems to be stuck at the git phase | |
| 15:57 | zevlag | jcamins: ok, now I'm getting this: http://pastebin.org/384537 |
| 15:57 | CGI753 | Should we just stop the update? |
| 15:57 | gmcharlt | CGI753: what git phase? the git fetch? |
| 15:57 | * owen | must be remembering a time long ago when the staff client showed hold status on the detail page |
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| 15:58 | cait | hi all |
| 15:58 | pianohack | zevlag: You probably need to update either DBD::mysql (perl-dbd-mysql) or CGI::Session::Driver::mysql |
| 15:59 | jcamins | zevlag: Also CGI::Session::Serialize::yaml |
| 16:00 | Hi cait | |
| 16:00 | cait | hi jcamins |
| 16:00 | jcamins | cait: Did you ever get your hold problem figured out? |
| 16:00 | zevlag | yaml |
| 16:00 | cait | was too tired yesterday :( |
| 16:00 | zevlag | ops wrong window |
| 16:01 | cait | and forgot the print out of my configuration at work, will try again later |
| 16:01 | * zevlag | switches to other console |
| 16:01 | cait | but some other problems on the todo list too |
| 16:01 | CGI753 | looks like the update finished so we will try it again... |
| 16:02 | jcamins | cait: Yes, there seems to be an endless supply of problems. :( |
| 16:02 | But I guess that's why we're still employed. :) | |
| 16:02 | cait | you are really an optimist :) |
| 16:04 | jcamins | I'm not an optimist, but I play one on IRC. |
| 16:04 | cait | does it help? |
| 16:05 | CGI753 | We put in the command. |
| 16:05 | jcamins | Well, I'm still not an optimist. ;) |
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| 16:06 | CGI753 | It says EUC-KR// |
| 16:08 | GMCHARLT, still no go. | |
| 16:09 | gmcharlt | CGI753: could you paste the results of running select name, host, encoding from z3950servers; from the mysql prompt? |
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| 16:12 | picmoon | Hi, would anyone recommend the Koha LiveCD? |
| 16:13 | CGI753 | gmcharlt, sorry, but what is the syntax for doing that? |
| 16:13 | I am at the mysql prompt. | |
| 16:13 | gmcharlt | CGI753: start a mysql session (same as you did for changing the encoding) |
| 16:13 | then from the prompt, do | |
| 16:14 | select name, host, encoding from z3950servers; | |
| 16:14 | CGI753 | gmcharlt, thanks. |
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| 16:18 | CGI753 | it does say EUC-KR by www.nanet.go.kr |
| 16:19 | by the way, we are using Koha version 3.00.01.005 | |
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| 16:21 | CGI753 | We updated Text:Iconv to 1.7 |
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| 16:28 | CGI753 | gmcharlt, you've been a ton of help. Thank you. Is there anything else that you think we should do so that we can get the Korean text to show up? |
| 16:29 | gmcharlt | CGI753: you may find some useful messages regarding text::iconv or iconv in the apache error logs that may give you additional clues |
| 16:30 | CGI753 | How do I go about finding those? |
| 16:30 | jcamins | zevlag: Any luck? |
| 16:31 | owen | Am I to understand from Bug 4290 that a Z39.50 search by Author is doing a keyword search? |
| 16:31 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4290 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, search for author in repository |
| 16:31 | owen | Oh no it's a search of imported records? |
| 16:32 | rhcl | speaking of Korean, if anybody ever has a need to implement SKATS in Koha I could probably help out. |
| 16:32 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKATS | |
| 16:32 | http://search.cpan.org/~you/En[…]e/Korean/SKATS.pm | |
| 16:33 | CGI753 | gmcharlt, thanks for the help. I'm going to get lunch and then try to look through the apache error logs. If/when I get stuck again, I'll come back to the chat forum. Thanks again! |
| 16:33 | gmcharlt | you're welcome |
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| 16:46 | zevlag | jcamins, pianohack, thanks for the help, all is back and running well. I followed your pointers, and just went through the direction in the install.debian-lenny file |
| 16:50 | jcamins | Good. |
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| 16:52 | zevlag | Just testing upgrade paths, I've recently started here, and inherited 5 koha servers, which haven't been maintained well |
| 16:52 | jcamins | Oh, what fun. |
| 16:52 | zevlag | is there a preferred distro for Koha? what are most deevelopers testing on? |
| 16:53 | jcamins | A lot of people use Debian. |
| 16:54 | I can't recommend FreeBSD, although it will work, after a fashion. | |
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| 16:57 | wizzyrea | most use debian or ubuntu |
| 16:59 | zevlag | ok, I just find maintaining an enviroment that more are using, makes it more stable, and easier for support |
| 17:04 | wizzyrea | ^^ agreed |
| 17:04 | jcamins | Definitely. |
| 17:06 | owen | We're down to 36 patch-sent bugs with an unspecified Koha version |
| 17:06 | http://bit.ly/bKUbuj if you want to play along | |
| 17:12 | wizzyrea | I wonder if the fix for http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4319 also fixes the display in the opac |
| 17:13 | munin | 04Bug 4319: major, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti, ASSIGNED, waiting items cannot be reserved |
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| 17:39 | owen | Hi nengard |
| 17:42 | nengard | hi and bye owen - doing koha training |
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| 17:56 | chris | morning |
| 17:56 | sekjal | morning, chris |
| 17:56 | jwagner | Morning, chris |
| 17:56 | wizzyrea | mornin |
| 17:56 | jcamins | Hello. |
| 17:58 | chris | http://libmail.georgialibrarie[…]-July/003083.html <-- we should do kudos.koha-community.org |
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| 18:26 | owen | As long as the KUDOS site is @koha.org it can't be considered independent from PTFS |
| 18:26 | I'm just not sure anyone at KUDOS cares | |
| 18:27 | jwagner | owen and chris, I know this was discussed at the ALA meeting, but I wasn't at that meeting. schuster would know current status |
| 18:28 | owen | KUDOS doesn't really hear any other voices than those which are at ALA meetings. I think that is unfortunate. |
| 18:32 | sekjal | owen: I was there, too, and we're looking to widen the pool of voices |
| 18:32 | it's been limited to the sites where we've had the in-person meetings so far | |
| 18:32 | there's a whole chicken-and-egg thing with membership dues and non-profit status | |
| 18:33 | jcamins | owen: Unfortunately, that seems to be fairly typical for ALA-connected groups. |
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| 18:40 | owen | Does anyone recall if there is an existing bug report for the patron search defaulting to a current-branch limit? |
| 18:41 | cait | owen: I think no, we discussed it on IRC, but saw no bug |
| 18:46 | jcamins | Do 880s somehow interfere with searching? I have a record with Arabic 880s, and I cannot pull up the record with keyword searching. |
| 18:46 | owen | Bug 4945 |
| 18:46 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4945 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Patron search is limited by default to the currently logged-in library |
| 18:48 | cait | jcamins: are you sure they are indexed? |
| 18:48 | jcamins | Yeah, because if I search the isbn it works. |
| 18:48 | cait | jcamins: I mean the 880 fields :) |
| 18:48 | jcamins | I'm trying to search on the transliteration. |
| 18:49 | wizzyrea | yea, I think I noted that one before too, and saw kyle's bug |
| 18:49 | jcamins | This link might take you directly to the record: http://donum.numismatics.org/c[…]blionumber=146879 |
| 18:50 | chris | it does |
| 18:50 | jcamins | The problem I have is that if I search for Ramadan (with or without the vocalization), I get no results. |
| 18:51 | chris | interesting, i dont see any 880s for that? |
| 18:52 | jcamins | Oh, the external server must have been cloned before I added 880s. |
| 18:53 | That's going to make troubleshooting really difficult. | |
| 18:53 | jwagner | I searched on Ramad?a�n, (with the diacritics) and it pulled up 5 records including that one |
| 18:54 | cait | jcamins: you might need icu to search for arabic. we needed for hebrew. before icu a search with hebrew characters resulted in all hebrew records, with and without the search term |
| 18:54 | jcamins | jwagner: Interesting. So it must be something with the internal server. |
| 18:55 | I think this is a post-transfer-to-ByWater problem. | |
| 18:56 | Thanks for trying this out. I'm going to speculate that the problem has something to do with ICU and 880s, since the same search worked on the pre-880 record. | |
| 19:01 | chris | yeah http://donum.numismatics.org/c[…]a%E1%B8%8D%C4%81n works fine |
| 19:02 | jcamins | If only I knew what was on that server. |
| 19:02 | chris | yeah you probably want the zebra config files to compaer |
| 19:04 | cait | 880-- |
| 19:05 | still trying to find out why one record from LOC is not displaying correctly :( | |
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| 19:06 | chris | RDA will fix that |
| 19:06 | * chris | dies laughing |
| 19:06 | cait | :D |
| 19:06 | jcamins | Oh, we should have asked owen_3000 about it! |
| 19:07 | wizzyrea | HAHAHA |
| 19:07 | cait | :) |
| 19:07 | jcamins | We could have found out what a world on the verge of RDA will be like. |
| 19:08 | chris | i think the pay to play aspect of it is gonna kill it dead for most of the world, at least the developing world |
| 19:08 | jcamins | Certainly we're not considering adopting it. |
| 19:08 | cait | bug 3164 |
| 19:08 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3164 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, OPAC-placed holds broken in SingleBranchMode |
| 19:09 | jcamins | And we're in the developed world. Over-developed world, even. :) |
| 19:09 | chris | :) |
| 19:09 | cait | there are workshops about rda, but dont know what the status is |
| 19:09 | wizzyrea | jcamins: I like your insinuation that RDA will be *almost* ready for adoption in the year 3k. Classy. |
| 19:09 | chris | take away our playstations and we are a third world nation |
| 19:09 | gmcharlt | raises the question of what the 1000-year-old RDA committee would look like |
| 19:09 | jcamins | My cataloging professor is on the record as saying he hopes he's retired -- or dead -- before RDA is implemented. |
| 19:10 | * chris | takes any opportunity to quote ani difranco |
| 19:13 | chris | jcamins: its certainly gonna be a messy thing |
| 19:13 | you know y2k made a whole lot of people wealthy | |
| 19:13 | RDA is the library world equivalent i reckon | |
| 19:13 | there are gonna be RDA consultants charging stupid amounts of money for training | |
| 19:14 | * chris | quits his job and becomes an RDA consultant |
| 19:14 | * jcamins | thinks chris has the right idea |
| 19:15 | jcamins | Is there a reason that bug 3811 hasn't been patched? |
| 19:15 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3811 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, biblios record.abs indexes 008 language as numeric (marc21) |
| 19:15 | chris | hmm probably not a good one :) |
| 19:15 | jcamins | Fair enough. |
| 19:15 | I'll test that this actually fixes the problem, then follow with a patch. | |
| 19:16 | chris | i think because its classed as minor its probably fallen off most ppls radars, i spend most of my time looking at blockers,crits and majors |
| 19:16 | jcamins | I wonder why it was marked as minor. |
| 19:16 | That completely breaks language limits, as far as I can tell. | |
| 19:17 | owen | I've seen several bugs marked as enhancements which were clearly not. |
| 19:17 | chris | i blame anglocentrism :-) |
| 19:17 | but far more likely, someone just picked the wrong severity | |
| 19:17 | wizzyrea | oh, I can explain how that happens |
| 19:17 | chris | thats why for 3.4 we have bug wranglers |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | see |
| 19:18 | a certain vendor called every piece of development "enhancement" | |
| 19:18 | cait | speaking of severit ... bug 3164 ... |
| 19:18 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3164 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, OPAC-placed holds broken in SingleBranchMode |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | so even if it was a true bug |
| 19:18 | chris | ahhh |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | if a client of their reported it |
| 19:18 | they would naturally mark it "enhancement" because | |
| 19:18 | that's what they were told all work was | |
| 19:18 | they being the client, not the vendor | |
| 19:19 | jcamins | Ooh. |
| 19:19 | jwagner | If I'm remembering correctly, "enhancement" was the default in the bugzilla setup. I'll bet a lot of us didn't notice or didn't bother to change it. |
| 19:19 | chris | ah yeah, thats so you can charge for that |
| 19:19 | jcamins | If I change everything I patched to "enhancement," will money fall out of the cloud into my lap? |
| 19:19 | cait | :) |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | well I can say that NEKLS made it clear we'd be willing to pay for enhancements. Getting someone to take our money, however.... has lately been more of a challenge. |
| 19:20 | cait | that would be a nice feature, file an enhancement bug for it ;) |
| 19:20 | chris | if you tell your clients everything is an enhancment they have to pay for .... |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | where enhancements = bug fixes |
| 19:20 | chris | anyway, back to bug wranglers |
| 19:20 | we have 3 of them | |
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| 19:20 | wizzyrea | sorry to derail |
| 19:20 | chris | and we could have more |
| 19:20 | jcamins | It's an interesting piece of Koha history. |
| 19:21 | cait | chris: what a bug wrangler supposed to do? |
| 19:21 | chris | keep an eye on bugzilla, change bugs to appropriate severity, status if needed |
| 19:21 | bug ppl to test and close | |
| 19:21 | bug ppl to make better bug reports | |
| 19:21 | jwagner | I think druthb volunteered at one point; not sure if that offer is still open. |
| 19:22 | jcamins | If I run rebuild_zebra -b -a -r, will it immediately clear the index, or will it only clear the index after shadow indexing is completed. |
| 19:22 | chris | the latter jcamins |
| 19:22 | jcamins | Excellent! Thanks. |
| 19:22 | chris | actually wait |
| 19:22 | try it somewhere first | |
| 19:22 | jcamins | Hrm. |
| 19:22 | chris | i *think* it will do that but im not absolutely sure |
| 19:22 | jcamins | I'll run it overnight. |
| 19:22 | chris | i think the commit is the last bit |
| 19:23 | jwagner | @wunder 20740 |
| 19:23 | munin | jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 38.0�C (3:32 PM EDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 11 PM EDT Wednesday... |
| 19:23 | cait | 38?? |
| 19:23 | jcamins | Ick. |
| 19:23 | That's hot. | |
| 19:23 | jwagner | *whimper* I have to leave my nice cool house & head out for an appointment. See you tomorrow, if I survive.... |
| 19:23 | jcamins | @wunder 11105 |
| 19:23 | munin | jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 38.9�C (3:30 PM EDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 7 PM EDT Wednesday... |
| 19:23 | chris | cait: also bug ppl the bugs are assigned to, if they havent been worked on in a while to see if there is someone better to assign it to |
| 19:23 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 19:23 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 19.2�C (9:33 PM CEST on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:24 | jwagner | cait, can I come visit you real quick? |
| 19:24 | chris | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_3.4_Roles |
| 19:24 | cait | sure :) |
| 19:24 | jcamins | I was really hoping it would be cooler in Astoria than in MD. |
| 19:24 | chris | jesse, hdl, and calyx .. but as i say, anyone who volunteers can do it :) |
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| 19:24 | cait | you you need to be an official bug wrangler to bug people? :) |
| 19:25 | chris | http://koha-community.org/about/release-teams/ |
| 19:25 | well, it gives you a slightly little bit more authority :) | |
| 19:25 | and you get your name in the credits | |
| 19:26 | do it!!! :) | |
| 19:26 | hdl | hi chris ? |
| 19:26 | chris | just telling people who the bug wranglers for 3.4 are |
| 19:26 | well 3.4 and 3.2.x | |
| 19:26 | cait | bugging people is no problem, but this is perhaps a topic for the dev meeting? |
| 19:26 | my calendar told me there is one tomorrow? | |
| 19:27 | jcamins | Really? |
| 19:27 | chris | yep we can talk about it then, but really its a role that anyone who wants to do, can do |
| 19:27 | basically the aim is to make sure bugs are actioned and not forgotten about | |
| 19:28 | jcamins | cait: Where did you find out about the meeting? |
| 19:28 | cait | i think I put it in my calendar after the last meeting |
| 19:29 | chris | well 3.4 and 3.2.xhttp://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings |
| 19:29 | ack | |
| 19:29 | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings | |
| 19:29 | we need an agenda, if you want to put that on it cait :) | |
| 19:29 | gmcharlt | copy of last meeting's agenda should do it |
| 19:30 | * chris | has to go make kahu a sandwich brb |
| 19:30 | cait | forgot my password :( |
| 19:31 | ok, fount it, will add agenda | |
| 19:32 | keep agpl, linkback from vendors on agenda? | |
| 19:33 | infokoha.org resolved? |
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| 19:33 | gmcharlt | I'd say not - thd-away and/or slef can add agpl if they want to dicuss it |
| 19:33 | yep, info@ is resolved | |
| 19:34 | cait | Anti-privatisation requirement? |
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| 19:37 | gmcharlt | no, that's been discussed |
| 19:37 | cait | so the agenda is: |
| 19:37 | # Update on [[Roadmap to 3.2]]. | |
| 19:37 | # Update on [[Roadmap to 3.0]]. | |
| 19:37 | # Follow-up on actions from [[General IRC Meeting, 2 June 2010]]. | |
| 19:37 | # Agree times of next meetings. | |
| 19:38 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 19:38 | chris: ^^ want to start adding 3.4 as a standing agenda item? | |
| 19:39 | jcamins | Looks like -r causes the index to be reset first. |
| 19:40 | (that is, rebuild_zebra -r... earlier I had asked if the reset was before or after the indexing process) | |
| 19:40 | chris | Sounds good |
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| 19:41 | jcamins | gmcharlt: What do you think of bug 4940? |
| 19:41 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4940 enhancement, P5, ---, camins, NEW, Koha should include sample rc.d script(s) for *BSD |
| 19:41 | cait | # Update on [[Roadmap to 3.4]].? |
| 19:42 | jcamins | Can that be added to 3.2? I don't know how else to make it available, and it's necessary if anyone wants to run Koha on FreeBSD. |
| 19:42 | gmcharlt | cait: yes |
| 19:42 | cait | done |
| 19:43 | gmcharlt | jcamins: well, that's what contrib is for as well; that said I've no objections to including it, although I don't want to start a precedent of having a subdirectory for every OS |
| 19:43 | I suggest sticking the freebsd directory under install_misc for now | |
| 19:43 | jcamins | Sure. |
| 19:43 | cait | gmcharlt: any more ideas about 4904? |
| 19:44 | bug 4904 | |
| 19:44 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4904 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Problem with printing fines in overdue notices |
| 19:44 | gmcharlt | cait: looks like double-encoding, I'll see if I can reproduce |
| 19:45 | cait | gmcharlt: thx - it's strange nobody else has this problem :( I tried to understand the perl module for fines formatting and got the impressions it returns utf-8 as default |
| 19:46 | jcamins | I will submit a patch with the rc.d script when I'm at one of my computers with that branch. |
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| 19:57 | cait | gmcharlt: bug 4938 - I tested with other records and it works fine. It seems to be a problem with one specific record (I have no idea why). Which status can I set the bug to? WONTFIX? INVALID? |
| 19:57 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4938 major, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Problem with correct detection of RTL script in 880 field |
| 19:57 | chris | Right on the bus now |
| 19:57 | hdl | cait: very few fernch library are using fines in fact. |
| 19:57 | gmcharlt | cait: INVALID |
| 19:58 | cait | gmcharlt: thx |
| 19:59 | hdl: I think all German libraries do | |
| 19:59 | hdl: to make it worse, I think all academic libraries to it the same way, which koha does not support right now | |
| 20:00 | to = do | |
| 20:00 | * cait | tired |
| 20:00 | hdl | which one ? |
| 20:00 | cait | different fine levels |
| 20:01 | 1.50 first notice, 4.50 second notice. 10.00 third | |
| 20:01 | the notices are sent, when the fine is set, listing all items with fines on that level | |
| 20:02 | and grace period is also a problem at the moment, I filed a bug for that | |
| 20:02 | we have weekly fine intervals | |
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| 20:05 | cait | hi nengard |
| 20:05 | nengard | howdy |
| 20:06 | chris | Hi nengard |
| 20:07 | nengard | double howdy |
| 20:07 | cait | hdl: not sure I answered your question :) |
| 20:08 | hdl | hi nengard |
| 20:08 | nengard | blanket hello back to everyone :) |
| 20:08 | how goes it? | |
| 20:09 | cait | ok, getting late - bye all :) |
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| 20:10 | hdl | nengard: good. A library went live today. |
| 20:11 | http://cat-bib.nimes.fr/ | |
| 20:12 | nengard | nice |
| 20:13 | gmcharlt | hdl++ |
| 20:14 | hdl | we had another one two months ago : https://catalogue.univ-lyon3.fr/ |
| 20:14 | we are doing quite a number of test in order to improve the OPAC responsivity. | |
| 20:15 | And we are using Plack for that. | |
| 20:15 | I am also still working on 3.0 to 3.2 update.. | |
| 20:16 | I will post something on the wiki about that. | |
| 20:17 | nengard: is there a place where this could belong ? | |
| 20:17 | gmcharlt: thanks. | |
| 20:19 | we are having some big problems with great number of items (More than 500 hundreds) And this is really making display and research of date owed to the usmarc (rather iso2709) limitation | |
| 20:23 | jcamins | hdl: Is that dropdown when you click on a subject on a detailed record a BibLibre customization? |
| 20:24 | hdl | well it is in our master. We hope it will get into 3.4 |
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| 20:25 | richard | hi |
| 20:25 | hdl | hi richard |
| 20:26 | richard | hi hdl |
| 20:26 | jcamins | It's really nice. I don't think I'd ever looked at a BibLibre installation before. |
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| 20:32 | nengard | hdl sorry was reading emails - i'd put in the installation category i guess ... but it's pretty easy to put it in multiple places |
| 20:33 | hdl | nengard: it is not really installation, I would place it under mod_perl... or performance enhancement. |
| 20:33 | But it is also asking questions. | |
| 20:34 | nengard | so under dev? |
| 20:34 | not sure - feel free to make a new category :) | |
| 20:37 | hdl | thanks. |
| 20:38 | I thought the performance tweaking post I saw on koha list would be published on the wiki. has it been done yet ? | |
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| 20:48 | nengard | not that i've seen - but i've been a bit out of the loop with all the travel recently |
| 20:56 | jcamins | Does anyone know if the Koha package will work on 64bit Debian? |
| 20:56 | chris | yep |
| 20:56 | http://debian.koha-community.o[…]squeeze-dev/main/ | |
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| 21:09 | jcamins | deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze-dev main |
| 21:09 | Whoops, sorry, wrong window. | |
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| 21:34 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 21:34 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 18.2�C (2:40 PM PDT on July 06, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Falling). |
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