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03:53 | Amit | heya brendan, chris |
03:53 | brendan | heya Amit |
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04:39 | Amit | hello i m unable to install Graphics::Magick via CPAN |
04:39 | any idea? | |
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04:41 | robin | why are you unable to install it? |
04:45 | Amit | robin it's require Method::Signatures |
04:46 | but in this module there is no Makefile.PL | |
04:46 | robin | are you using cpan to install it? |
04:46 | Amit | i have try both cpan/manual |
04:52 | robin | Method::Signature seems to have a lot of dependencies, did they all install successfully? |
04:53 | Amit | Method::Signature creates a problem |
04:55 | robin: any idea? | |
04:55 | robin | not really, I also get errors attempting to install it. |
04:55 | Can you just install the distros libgraphics-magick-perl? | |
04:56 | Amit | i have already install this module by rpm |
04:57 | robin | then why are you trying to install it again? |
04:57 | Amit | but is show a error while generating a patron card |
04:58 | [Tue May 25 09:51:42 2010] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Can't locate Graphics/Magick.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /opt/kohaclone /usr/lib/perl5/5.10.0/i586-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/i586-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.10.0/i586-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at /opt/kohaclone/patroncards/create-pdf.pl line 24., referer: h | |
04:58 | ttp://localhost:8081/cgi-bin/koha/patroncards/print.pl | |
04:58 | robin | Well, when you installed the RPM, did it install Graphics/Magick.pm in one of those locations? |
04:59 | Amit | robin: I think it's require CPAN module also |
05:00 | robin | well, if there's a distro package, it'll take the place of the CPAN module. |
05:00 | Amit | hmm |
05:01 | so which is the better way CPAN or RPM | |
05:01 | robin | RPM if you can |
05:01 | Amit | k |
05:14 | robin | chris: why, when adding a patron, is zip code mandatory? |
05:16 | chris | you can make it not be |
05:17 | you can make whatever you want mandatory | |
05:17 | i forget where | |
05:17 | somewhere in admin :) | |
05:19 | system preferences | |
05:19 | in the patrons tab | |
05:19 | BorrowerMandatoryField | |
05:19 | i love searchable sysprefs | |
05:19 | pianohacker++ | |
05:21 | robin | ah, cool |
05:24 | "Expiration date: 00/02/0" -- that'll be MySQL and it's inifinite wisdom, right? :) | |
05:24 | chris | :) |
05:25 | mysql takes the gigo mantra to the limit :) | |
05:25 | robin | heh |
05:34 | chris: is it normal for it to sit for a long time after hitting "Stage for Import"? Last time I tried, I don't remember it taking this long. | |
05:35 | Oh, it had worked, it just hadn't told me. | |
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06:24 | cait | morning #koha |
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06:42 | Amit | robin: it's work |
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07:16 | chris | robin: yeah i think there is a bug with the js, that reports back |
07:17 | cait | hi chris |
07:21 | chris | hi cait |
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07:31 | cait | I saw the tweets about hlt - grats :) |
07:37 | chris | thanks |
07:38 | magnus | yeah, the hlt opac is looking good! and so is the kete integration. congrats! |
07:39 | chris | richard and walter at katipo did tons too |
07:40 | * chris | likes it that 2 companies in 'competiton' collaborated together to do it |
07:40 | chris | coopetition as paul_p would say |
07:46 | magnus | coopetition++ |
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07:55 | eiro | aurelie_v, wb :) |
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07:55 | eiro | oh ? i'm desapointed |
07:56 | paul_p | eiro: lol |
07:57 | * paul_p | laptop has problems, so working with spare computer we have, fortunatly ! |
07:57 | chris | :) |
08:13 | hdl_laptop | chris: congratulation |
08:13 | s | |
08:14 | chris | thank you, the librarians did all the hard work |
08:17 | paul_p | chris: why are you congratulated ? (laptop down, so no twitter, no rss, ... maybe I should know ;-) ) |
08:18 | chris | www.library.org.nz |
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08:22 | paul_p | chris : /me working on a presentation of Koha history (for a conference organised by the SAN-Ouest Provence). I'm sure you already have something ! |
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08:27 | chris | ahh yep |
08:27 | there are a couple of things useful for that | |
08:27 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]docs/history.txt; | |
08:28 | http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638 <-- early history | |
08:29 | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/tag/unsung-heroes/ | |
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08:35 | chris | that help? |
08:37 | cait | oh, comments still not moderated? http://spedr.com/36yox |
08:39 | chris | try http://newsbreaks.infotoday.co[…]nd-Isnt-67309.asp |
08:39 | i know there are some other comments waiting to be moderated too | |
08:39 | they aren't very fast at moderating | |
08:41 | paul_p | thx chris (was already working with history.txt, and 1638 interesting !) |
08:47 | cait | chris: thx |
08:47 | :) | |
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10:01 | chris | http://metservice.com/national[…]derstorm-warnings |
10:05 | magnus | batten down the hatches! |
10:31 | cait | chris: is there a problem with pootle? |
10:35 | chris | looks like it, it seems to run for a few days then explode |
10:36 | cait | its running, although slow |
10:36 | but I cant see the projects or access the po files | |
10:37 | from my account I see the quick links to opac and staff files, but Im told that I have no rights to access them | |
10:37 | chris | http://translate.koha.org/de/ |
10:37 | cait | You don't have permission to access this page. |
10:37 | chris | hmm weird |
10:37 | mason | chris, stick munin on it... ;) |
10:38 | cait | I logged out, still same message |
10:38 | chris | when did you last look at it? |
10:38 | mason | ...its a grate way to troubleshoot a fritzy box |
10:38 | cait | uh, last week |
10:39 | mason | (erm, after a weeks worth of history :/ ) |
10:40 | chris | naw wouldnt have told me anything in this case |
10:41 | this is purely an application error | |
10:45 | mason | ah, so it is... i thought it was thrashing.. |
10:46 | perhaps cait's translate account has been removed... | |
10:47 | chris | nope |
10:47 | mason | whew, thats good news |
10:47 | chris | its crashing whenever it tries to check permissions |
10:47 | yeah, cos that would mean someone had hacked my server at home | |
10:48 | mason | *nods* |
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10:52 | cait1 | t |
10:56 | chris | hmm no idea what its doing |
10:58 | cait1 | its late for you, no hurry. just wanted to let you know |
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10:59 | cait1 | t |
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11:27 | chris | can you edit anything now? |
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11:31 | cait1 | really slow internet connection today *sigh* |
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12:17 | chris | cait_lunch: cant figure it out, but the translations are all there at least, i will try again tomorrow |
12:18 | owen | chris: I don't know how you can get by on so little sleep! |
12:18 | * owen | is an in-bed-by-10 kinda guy |
12:19 | chris | owen: theres a quiet room at work |
12:19 | with couches | |
12:19 | :) | |
12:19 | owen | siestas++ |
12:20 | chris | ok, bed time |
12:20 | night all | |
12:21 | (i have 7.5 hours before kahu wakes :)) | |
12:22 | gmcharlt | good morning |
12:23 | owen | Hi gmcharlt |
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12:42 | hdl_laptop | hi gmcharlt |
12:42 | gmcharlt | hi owen hdl_laptop |
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12:56 | greenmang0 | @wunder mumbai |
12:56 | munin | greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 32.0�C (5:40 PM IST on May 25, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). |
12:57 | magnus | @wunder bodo, norway |
12:57 | munin | magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0�C (2:20 PM CEST on May 25, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). |
12:57 | owen | Average out mubai and bodo and you've got a pretty nice day ;) |
12:58 | greenmang0 | owen: yeah :) |
12:59 | owen: in some parts of my states today's temperature is 48.7 | |
12:59 | my state* | |
13:00 | * owen | would melt |
13:00 | collum | @wunder 41011 |
13:00 | munin | collum: The current temperature in Newport Aquarium, Newport, Kentucky is 23.4�C (9:00 AM EDT on May 25, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Steady). |
13:03 | jwagner | Morning all. Got an indexing question for you. There are indexes like mc-ccode or mc-itype which allow you to search more than one code. Would it be possible to set up an mc-branch index and search more than one branch at a time? |
13:18 | jdavidb | @wunder 20817 |
13:18 | munin | jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 20.9�C (9:17 AM EDT on May 25, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024.3 hPa (Steady). |
13:30 | owen | I notice with the new Bugzilla I'm prompted to download patch attachments rather than being able to view them in my browser. |
13:30 | Is that something that can be configured differently? | |
13:31 | A mime-type setting or something? | |
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14:06 | jwagner | @quote random |
14:06 | munin | jwagner: Quote #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!" (added by ricardo at 10:00 AM, October 07, 2009) |
14:09 | gmcharlt | owen: try now |
14:10 | owen | Thanks gmcharlt |
14:16 | jdavidb | @quote random |
14:16 | munin | jdavidb: Quote #74: "<owen> chris: Not to mention the cute kid quote AI you've been developing. that takes a lot of cycles" (added by gmcharlt at 09:11 AM, May 18, 2010) |
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15:19 | libtek | Anyone know if it is possible to override blocks in koha? I don't want to disable them, but if we want to override them, maybe even through an elevated user, can it be done? |
15:19 | owen | Depends on the block |
15:20 | ...and I'm not sure which permissions are in 3.0.x and which are only in 3.2... | |
15:20 | libtek | How about, for example, you have an item that doesn't circ. Sometimes we will loan it. Is there a way to do this? |
15:22 | cait | I think you can override taht |
15:23 | not sure if its a granular permission or every staff member can do | |
15:24 | owen | I can't override a "not for loan" item in 3.2 with superlibrarian privileges |
15:24 | libtek | Neither can I. I was wondering if I was missing a special setting somewhere. |
15:25 | wizzyrea | I know this is one of the ptfs features |
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15:30 | libtek | what is ptfs? |
15:30 | mle | ptfs is a company |
15:30 | libtek | ah |
15:32 | wizzyrea | they just submitted a bunch of features/patches/fixes for inclusion in 3.4 |
15:42 | cait | owen: strange |
15:48 | libtek: sorry | |
15:48 | bye all! | |
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15:59 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: just sent you a patch for XSLT |
15:59 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: yep, looks like I beat you to the punch |
15:59 | hdl_laptop | Yes. But mine does much more. |
15:59 | gmcharlt | I'll look at the patch you sent me privately and see if there are bits I can incoporate |
15:59 | hdl_laptop | Do you want me to rebase ? |
16:00 | I sent you privately in order to see whether I should go on and write sysprefs and update database. | |
16:00 | Or just leave that up for 3.4 | |
16:01 | gmcharlt | I will handle it |
16:01 | considering that your patch includes bogus stuff like a use of LWP::Simple, I'll just take it apart and rebuild it manaully | |
16:01 | I'll submit the results to the patches list | |
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16:02 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: is LWP::Simple Bogus ? |
16:03 | gmcharlt | considering that none of its methods are *used* in the places where your patch adds it |
16:03 | yes | |
16:06 | also, 3920 is *already* fixed in HEAD | |
16:09 | I've just opened enhancement bug 4813 for XSLTResultsDisplay to be fully implemnted in 3.4 | |
16:09 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4813 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, implement XSLTResultsDisplay |
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16:25 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
16:25 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.0�C (9:21 AM PDT on May 25, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Rising). |
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17:14 | libtek | Question...I am tinkering with exporting patron records from our current system to import into Koha. Is there any functionality that is broken either with reports or notices if I put the street number with the rest of the address? |
17:15 | brendan | shouldn't be it's a text field |
17:16 | libtek | Wasn't sure. I don't usually see the address separated from the street number. |
17:17 | owen | libtek: That is entirely optional |
17:17 | You'd only want to use that if you were to always use street number + street type | |
17:17 | jwagner | It's more of a European setup -- US libraries don't usually do it that way. Depends on your data & where you are : -) |
17:18 | hey, owen, since you're here -- there's no way to limit jquery statements by branch is there? Say you have separate OPACs for different consortia branches? | |
17:19 | I can't think of a way to apply a jquery that wouldn't affect all of them. | |
17:19 | owen | Not unless there was some evidence of the current branch in the page which you could check |
17:20 | jwagner | That's a thought. Don't have a request for that right now, but I was thinking about customizations & that suddenly popped into my mind. |
17:20 | owen | We really need a well-thought-out method for handling multiple opac configurations |
17:21 | jwagner | Yes, _please_ I was doing some experimenting today with the current setup. I managed to make it search multiple branches and multiple ccodes (my current requirements), but it's REALLY clunky |
17:21 | libtek | One more question - If a patron has a physical address and P.O. Box, which address should go where, and will Koha know to use the P.O. Box when creating notices? |
17:22 | jwagner | I couldn't get it to use a remote server stylesheet, but I don't know if that would work once my patch for that is in place. |
17:22 | owen | libtek: Around here we've been told to always put the PO box first or it won't get delivered to the right place |
17:22 | Koha only cares about address1 and address2, it doesn't care what you put in them | |
17:23 | libtek | So the alternate address is ignored by the system, as far as notices go. That's only for staff to reference, right? |
17:24 | jwagner | libtek, yes, so far as I know. |
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18:37 | wizzyrea_away | nekls actually suppresses the street number field |
18:37 | using juery | |
18:38 | *query even | |
18:41 | gmcharlt | koha-commit emails now working again |
18:41 | brendan | gmcharlt++ |
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19:18 | wizzyrea | owen: about? |
19:18 | owen | Yes |
19:18 | wizzyrea | lol, mibbit tester again |
19:19 | munin | Announcement from my owner (gmcharlt): kohagit |
19:19 | wizzyrea | I'm curious about the syspref for the intranet navigation |
19:19 | it doesn't seem to style the links the same when you put a URL in there? | |
19:19 | http://screencast.com/t/ZTc5MmM3OW | |
19:19 | is there a philosophical reason for that | |
19:20 | I do notice that it's not in a <li> tag | |
19:21 | and I suppose, now that I think about it, you probably don't want to require entries there to be automatically enclosed in a <li> | |
19:21 | um | |
19:21 | never mind I think I answered my own question >.< | |
19:22 | owen | Happy to be of service! |
19:22 | wizzyrea | lol |
19:22 | sorry for the distraction. | |
19:23 | owen | In my test install it seemed like I needed to adjust the width of #toplevelnav in order to keep the menu from wrapping. |
19:23 | wizzyrea | I just added the <li> around it and now it looks right |
19:23 | sorry, that was dumb. 30 seconds worth of firebug and I knew why it was doing that. | |
19:24 | how many items do you have up there? | |
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19:29 | gmcharlt | @kohagit |
19:29 | munin | gmcharlt: fix a common "developement" typo <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6f417bdfe97f085bc> bug 4377: ensure HOLD_PRINT letter added during installation and upgrade (DBrev 135) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]02f10cd2063bdb32f> bug 4311: respect OPACXSLTResultsDisplay <http://git.koha- (14 more messages) |
19:32 | New news from kohagit: fix another link to koha-community.org | |
19:38 | hdl_laptop | @kohagit |
19:38 | munin | hdl_laptop: fix another link to koha-community.org <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9795b040ce048f470> / fix a common "developement" typo <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6f417bdfe97f085bc> / bug 4377: ensure HOLD_PRINT letter added during installation and upgrade (DBrev 135) <http://git.koha- (15 more messages) |
19:54 | New commit from kohagit: Bug 4199: Adds ability to print routing slip. Patch 2. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ff70144d2a87e762e> / Bug 4199: Adds ability to print routing slip from serials-collection. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2619b11ac1d97ce37> / Bug 4805: Fixes multiple subscriptionid's being passed to serials-collection. <http | |
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19:55 | gmcharlt | @more |
19:55 | munin | gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b1ed3af63350d0d754fb309644b3d57be707041b> / bug 4018: remove duplicate unAPI link when XSLT bib details display on <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2cefaba2a9bc03ebd> / Install the admin scripts. <http://git.koha- (14 more messages) |
19:55 | gmcharlt | @more |
19:55 | munin | gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9f918a8aef2dd985206deb4fc333a885ada3ec5> / Make koha-create be able to handle manual database creation. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fd78bc55a71bea858> / Add support for a remote mysql server. <http://git.koha- (13 more messages) |
19:55 | gmcharlt | @more |
19:55 | munin | gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=df6767467b90bb5706a8ce975f9c11f04e9f23cb> / Use /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf instead of the Debian one. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e27fce7ed5be188d2> / Add koha-foreach, a script to run a command for each Koha instance. <http://git.koha- (12 more messages) |
19:55 | gmcharlt | @more |
19:55 | munin | gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cfd5fae5a336688194acee558d53b2ed83245e30> / Centralize creation of Koha instance dirs. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]cdcfa2b0a161fcb50> / Add scripts to start, stop, restart Zebra, and rebuild its indexes. <http://git.koha- (11 more messages) |
19:55 | gmcharlt | @more |
19:55 | munin | gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e626be90cc84d703a9e47f0402252b91b69b1d3> / Add koha-upgrade-schema, a script to upgrade the database schema. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b0c7434e83ca661c7> / Add koha-dump-defaults, a script to dump a defaults file. <http://git.koha- (10 more messages) |
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19:55 | munin | gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b69b670d63ff72d7aa818374f892ba887d82212f> / Add koha-reset-passwd, a script for resetting a user's password. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8eced7e6865e58734> / Add koha-enable, a script to re-enable a Koha instance. <http://git.koha- (9 more messages) |
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19:55 | munin | gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=321300b4f7683f53a60d0326e27a952142510151> / Add koha-disable, a script to disable a Koha instance. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2023413a94df63ceb> / Add koha-restore, a script to restore a Koha instance from a dump. <http://git.koha- (8 more messages) |
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19:55 | munin | gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=01bd539cab1255df63e5369838247d0df5d9b2ab> / Add koha-list, a script to list all Koha instances. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]03f2923a715bf20e2> / Add koha-dump, a script to dump a Koha site. <http://git.koha- (7 more messages) |
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19:55 | munin | gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=41b1bfcab7324ebca2d47a09335b0c09f5fab173> / Add koha-remove, a script to remove a Koha instance. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8fe7c6422f406602d> / Add koha-create, a script to create a new Koha instance. <http://git.koha- (6 more messages) |
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19:55 | munin | gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1285d5a1330e7fbce919275e21620219fa7155d0> / Add koha-post-install-setup, a script to be run by sysadmin post-install. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]158351d045412d0de> / Replace dependencies on koha-dev-env with list of packages. <http://git.koha- (5 more messages) |
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19:55 | munin | gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6340d2246859b3784bb922c8af7b0bbc6ca0db92> / Split off koha-common. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]66b450b514894a119> / Set version number in debian/changelog to indicate upcoming 3.2. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f475f6cd4ae1acd6a> / (4 more messages) |
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19:55 | munin | gmcharlt: Convert debian/copyright file to the DEP5 format. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]29e3f3d3fe6c0e4d0> / Switch to native source format. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4478bfab74896339a> / Bugfix: Install old yui stylesheets, since Koha needs them. <http://git.koha- (3 more messages) |
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19:55 | munin | gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=704754db0cc328808cae74bc98a55f959f78d875> / Bugfix: Create the jquery.js symlink for opac to the right target. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8a3a35ea21825400a> / Bugfix: Remove Debian packaging files remaining from old packaging effort. <http://git.koha- (2 more messages) |
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19:55 | munin | gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2bce655e2d3307aebcaa9bb0553b2907cfb0fcaf> / Bugfix: Remove pointless executable bits from sql files. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2125ff65377741ae5> / removed unconditional warn introduced in previous patch <http://git.koha- (1 more message) |
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19:55 | munin | gmcharlt: community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a2ad21ac9e006514764fc828630a893d3c29f689> |
19:55 | gmcharlt | whew |
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19:59 | gmcharlt | owen: I'm curious to hear your thoughts on bug 4523 |
20:00 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4523 enhancement, P5, ---, chris, NEW, aqbudgets.pl - possibility to show / hide the filters menu |
20:01 | owen | I agree with your comment that it would seem odd to have a control here but nowhere else |
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20:02 | owen | I'm not sure why this particular instance needs to be hidden, but I don't manage budgets so I don't know how this page can work in the real world |
20:02 | gmcharlt | saving horizontal space? dunno |
20:03 | I'm thinking that if we go in for something like this, besides doing it consistently, we'd need better styling to make it clear what the link was doing | |
20:04 | owen | I've never found what I felt like was a good implementation of this kind of thing |
20:04 | I think it's always awkward | |
20:07 | gmcharlt | maybe a second layer? click a link for more/advanced options, it shows up? |
20:07 | ... but if you do that, you'd want to make sure that if you set a filter, that you could continue to see what the filter values in effect are | |
20:08 | * wizzyrea | is reminded about the usability study she'd like to do/have done |
20:09 | wizzyrea | dumb question: what area of collegiate study does usability fall under? |
20:09 | Computer Science? | |
20:09 | owen | navel-gazing |
20:09 | wizzyrea | snarktastic! |
20:09 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: quite a few areas, actually |
20:09 | wizzyrea | so if I were looking for a usability class that could potentially do a study as a project |
20:09 | gmcharlt | arts and design, computer science, psychology, etc. |
20:10 | * wizzyrea | gazes lovingly at her navel |
20:10 | gmcharlt | as far as course titles to look for |
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20:10 | gmcharlt | usability, of course, but also interaction design |
20:10 | wizzyrea | how is it that you know absolutely everything, gmcharlt? |
20:10 | gmcharlt | human-computer interfaces |
20:10 | jwagner | a lot of project management areas deal with usability and process. Especially things like Six Sigma |
20:10 | wizzyrea | I"m going to start calling you "gmcharltopedia" |
20:10 | aha | |
20:10 | yes, thanks | |
20:10 | gmcharlt | my brain is my own! it's not a wiki! |
20:10 | ;) | |
20:11 | wizzyrea | lol... you'll notice I didn't call you wikigmcharltopedia |
20:11 | jwagner | You Are Not A Number! You Are A Free Wiki! |
20:11 | gmcharlt | riffing on what jwagner says, it can verge into pure management theory |
20:11 | e.g., time-and-motion studies | |
20:11 | wizzyrea | aha, so several areas to look |
20:11 | * wizzyrea | goes to look at the local university |
20:12 | * owen | must leave, but will try that patch tomorrow and see if it inspires him |
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20:14 | wizzyrea | these seem promising http://screencast.com/t/MWE3YjM5Zj |
20:14 | will email these people and see what they say | |
20:14 | probably not next semester, but maybe next year | |
20:15 | gmcharlt | yep, looks like you're on the right track |
20:15 | particularly if the two intructors listed also have grad stduents | |
20:16 | wizzyrea | 2nd looks like grad level class to begin with |
20:16 | gmcharlt | right, which is good |
20:16 | but if you get a grad student involved in doing usability work for Koha as a thesis project | |
20:16 | *much* more free labor | |
20:16 | ;) | |
20:16 | wizzyrea | hehe |
20:17 | ^^ is what I'm looking for | |
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20:37 | richard | hi |
20:49 | chris | morning |
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20:59 | JimmytheGeek | Good afternoon |
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21:00 | JimmytheGeek | I'm getting this error when I try to visit my site initially: |
21:00 | Software error: | |
21:00 | Can't locate YAML.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/SQLHelper.pm line 27. | |
21:00 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/SQLHelper.pm line 27. | |
21:01 | Where can I find YAML.pm, or did something not install properly? | |
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21:02 | chris | looks like yeah you didnt install YAML |
21:02 | wizzyrea | have you installed YAML? |
21:02 | doh | |
21:02 | chris | what os are you running? |
21:02 | JimmytheGeek | Debian Lenny |
21:03 | I must have missed something in the Install.x file | |
21:04 | is this a sudo apt-get install fix, or do I need to go back a few steps | |
21:04 | wizzyrea | sudo apt-get install libyaml-perl or somesuch |
21:04 | JimmytheGeek | ok |
21:04 | wizzyrea | at this point most of your problems are going to be perl modules you've missed. |
21:05 | JimmytheGeek | Cool. Thanks, wizzyrea |
21:05 | wizzyrea | larsw: you've been super busy, awesome |
21:05 | larsw++ | |
21:07 | JimmytheGeek | Now it's can't locate HTML/Template/Pro.pm. Another apt-get? |
21:07 | wizzyrea | probably a cpan |
21:07 | sudo cpan -i HTML::Template::Pro (I think) | |
21:07 | (somebody please correct me if I'm wrong) | |
21:08 | larsw | JimmytheGeek, if you haven't installed it yet, installing the apt-file package is super-useful for that; you can then do this: apt-file search HTML/Template/Pro.pm and it will tell you which package, if any, contains the file |
21:08 | wizzyrea | ^^ good tip |
21:09 | larsw++ | |
21:09 | larsw | wizzyrea, thanks for you incs, I try to be useful |
21:10 | wizzyrea | you are definitely useful |
21:10 | :D | |
21:10 | * wizzyrea | learns something useful from larsw almost every day |
21:23 | JimmytheGeek | Great tip, larsw. I'll use it for sure. @wizzyrea - your command was correct. I'm going to have to do these step by step it looks like. |
21:23 | I am Chuggington | |
21:52 | gmcharlt | larsw: regarding C4/Installer/PerlDependencies.pm, would you think it a good or bad idea to record the Debian packages that supply the given Perl modules there |
21:55 | larsw | gmcharlt, ideally the mapping from Perl or CPAN module to Debian package would be automated, I think; not sure if it is entirely feasible, so adding debian packages manually to the list would be ok with me |
21:55 | wizzyrea | oh, chrome has firebug-like functionality built in |
21:55 | * wizzyrea | didn't know that |
21:55 | chris | it does now |
21:55 | wizzyrea | that's neat |
21:56 | larsw | gmcharlt, we'd need to optionally specify the Debian package version as well, since it is not always the same as the cpan module version, for example |
21:56 | gmcharlt | larsw: yeah, you can guess the Debian package name 90% of the time, but not always |
21:57 | as far as the hash is concerned, I'm thinking something like debian => package-name as the default | |
21:57 | and debian-lenny => foo, debian-squeeze => baz | |
21:58 | if necessary to specify a different package name for a particular debian release | |
21:58 | and a boolean debian_use_testing if it's known that stable doesn't have the minimum version required | |
21:58 | JimmytheGeek | any idea where the XML.pm module is in the CPAN |
21:59 | specifically the one that belongs in MARC/File/ ? | |
22:01 | gmcharlt | JimmytheGeek: the module is MARC::File::XML |
22:01 | currently http://search.cpan.org/~gmchar[…]/MARC/File/XML.pm | |
22:01 | larsw | gmcharlt, I'm worried that adding more abstraction on top of the Debian packaging is going to a) make things difficult to change for a non-Koha person (when Koha gets uploaded to Debian) and b) will blow up and end up requiring a lot of complexity to handle all different scenarios |
22:02 | gmcharlt, would it be acceptable to not generate the dependency list in debian/control automatically, but have the debian package build check it against PerlDependencies.pm? checking if a Debian package contains a perl module should be possible | |
22:06 | JimmytheGeek | thanks gmcharli |
22:07 | sorry, gmcharlt | |
22:07 | gmcharlt | larsw: here's an example of what I have in mind |
22:07 | http://koha.pastebin.com/kCK2CXBD | |
22:08 | and we could add convenience routines to extract the list of Debian packages for the purpose of feeding into debian/control | |
22:09 | my main goal is to have a single place that encodes all (Perl) dependency information | |
22:09 | obviously things like mysql, etc., would have to be accounted for by the packagers separately | |
22:09 | but there are *far* fewer such dependencies than there are perl module deps | |
22:10 | JimmytheGeek | This would appear, to me anyway, to be an 'oh SHIT!' moment: |
22:10 | Access denied for user 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 697. | |
22:10 | larsw | I'm for keeping things in one place, but against making the packaging hard for a generic Debian developer to understand |
22:12 | gmcharlt, but let me think about this and get back to you? | |
22:13 | gmcharlt | larsw: sure thing |
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