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| 00:59 | CGI566 | Hi All |
| 01:01 | am having an issue with the Shelf browser in Koha 3.00.06.010, the shelf browser is showing some weired images, it is repeating the same image for all the books, does anybody sugest a solution for this | |
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| 02:29 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 02:29 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.7�C (7:29 PM PDT on May 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 9 PM PDT this evening... |
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| 03:37 | Amit | heya chris |
| 03:37 | chris | hi Amit |
| 03:42 | hdl_laptop | hi all |
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| 03:43 | Amit | heya hdl_laptop |
| 03:43 | brendan | hi amit hdl_laptop |
| 03:43 | Amit | heya brendan |
| 03:43 | hdl_laptop | brendan: must be very late for you |
| 03:44 | brendan | 8:47pm local time |
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| 03:44 | brendan | so not too late yet ;) |
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| 03:51 | pianohacker | Hi, brendan |
| 03:52 | hdl_laptop | hi pianohacker |
| 03:52 | pianohacker | and hdl |
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| 03:53 | pianohacker | hey, joetho, what are you doing here this late? |
| 03:54 | joetho | too weird: |
| 03:54 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]lopment:git_usage | |
| 03:54 | brendan | hi pianohacker |
| 03:54 | pianohacker | well, git is weird |
| 03:54 | joetho | "if you are a developer from, oh, say, the Nelsonvillle library, etc etc" |
| 03:54 | last edit was this week | |
| 03:55 | chris | well we could edit it |
| 03:55 | oh no wait we cant | |
| 03:55 | pianohacker | a template designer from the nelsonville library? Who on earth could that be, scooby? |
| 03:55 | chris | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 03:56 | its been there for a while :) | |
| 03:56 | thats what happens when you let me write stuff | |
| 03:57 | joetho | yes, but the koha.org one is being currently edited |
| 03:57 | chris | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=start&do=diff <-- thats an interesting edit |
| 03:57 | pianohacker | More than good enough; I think most of the active devels at the moment got started from that doc |
| 03:57 | chris | yeah but who uses that old wiki anyway? :-) |
| 03:57 | brendan | chris not interesting, wrong |
| 03:57 | ;) | |
| 03:58 | chris | joetho: that was edited by a spammer (the git page) |
| 03:58 | thats why i tweeted this | |
| 03:58 | pianohacker | hrm. ctf? |
| 03:58 | chris | http://twitter.com/ranginui/status/14546027960 |
| 03:58 | brendan | clay |
| 03:58 | pianohacker | wow, that is weird |
| 03:58 | chris | under oriders |
| 03:58 | i bet | |
| 03:58 | pianohacker | yup |
| 03:58 | chris | just like turning bugs.koha.org back on |
| 03:59 | and changing the links for downloading koha on the old koha site | |
| 03:59 | i dont think they can let a week go by without doing something bizzare | |
| 03:59 | pianohacker | there was that oddly passive-aggressive, "disappointed" press release, in the same vein, though that's old news |
| 04:00 | chris | the vomit comment still takes the cake |
| 04:00 | larsw | vomit? |
| 04:01 | chris | http://www.web2learning.net/ar[…]-1#comment-181175 |
| 04:02 | joetho: there is spam on the front page of the old wiki now too, links to online betting sites | |
| 04:02 | larsw | ooh, I think I missed that |
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| 04:02 | pianohacker | chris: is there spam protection for the new wiki, or are we relying on someone watching the recent changes page? |
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| 04:03 | chris | there is for automated spam |
| 04:03 | pianohacker | okay, cool |
| 04:03 | chris | but a human can still put some up (which is what looks like what happend on the old wiki .. it used to happen a bit) |
| 04:03 | i have rss feeds of the changes, so i usually go revert if i spot any | |
| 04:04 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]evisions&id=start | |
| 04:04 | robin | Maybe you should just quietly edit old wiki links to point to pages on the new wiki, so it gets all the google juice |
| 04:04 | larsw | the cost of freedom (allowing anyone to edit) is occasional vigilance (checking recentchanges for malicious stuff) |
| 04:04 | chris | well they killed all our logins robin |
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| 04:04 | chris | so i could make a new one i guess .. but i really dont want to get in a wiki edit war with them |
| 04:04 | robin | oh, so it's not a public wiki? |
| 04:04 | pianohacker | chris: dear god, I missed that |
| 04:05 | larsw | hmm... I can't log in using my openid |
| 04:05 | chris | actually can you see a link to make a new account? |
| 04:06 | yeah they kicked at least 4 ppl i know of out .. make that 5 countin you lars | |
| 04:06 | pianohacker | Mine's missing too |
| 04:06 | chris | make that everyone |
| 04:07 | larsw | login page does not have a registration button |
| 04:07 | chris | yeah, and no way to make an account |
| 04:07 | as i say, a bizarre decision each week | |
| 04:09 | http://twitter.com/oleonard/status/14507760549 | |
| 04:16 | http://newsbreaks.infotoday.co[…]p?ArticleID=67309 | |
| 04:16 | some glaring factual errors in there | |
| 04:22 | larsw | "www.koha.org, the corporate website developed by LibLime" -- I thought the website was created by many people and organisations, over the years, was I wrong? |
| 04:23 | chris | yeah |
| 04:23 | liblime shifted it to plone, but most of the content was by others | |
| 04:23 | the list of features, barring marc21 holdings are all in official koha too | |
| 04:24 | and the version number is 3.2.0 ... | |
| 04:32 | larsw | "Choosing an ILS should be an objective process, not a subjective one." -- that is perhaps the most glaring error of all... so many aspects of choosing a complicated software system are not objectively quantifiable that is is _never_ an objective process |
| 04:32 | but that's perhaps off-topic, again, for #koha, sorry | |
| 04:32 | pianohacker | Hahahaha you have obviously not seen quite how off-topic we can get ;) |
| 04:33 | That's actually fairly apropos, relative to some of the other stuff on here | |
| 04:33 | chris | pragmatists often forget that pragmatism is an ideaology too |
| 04:33 | larsw | pianohacker, I can try to not make it worse, though :) |
| 04:34 | pianohacker | Right. And yeah, choosing software objectively can be actively dangerous |
| 04:35 | You'll end up with something that has every feature on your long list | |
| 04:35 | And an "estimated TCO" that falls within your budget | |
| 04:36 | But it's uglier than sin and has an incredibly asinine ui | |
| 04:36 | chris | *nod* |
| 04:40 | pianohacker | not that I'm talking about, say, most of the popular proprietary ILSs or anything |
| 04:40 | mason | lol, http://newsbreaks.infotoday.co[…]p?ArticleID=67309 |
| 04:40 | " not on www.koha-community.org, the official website of the loose worldwide consortium of Koha developers and users" | |
| 04:41 | pianohacker | mason: we were just ragging on that |
| 04:41 | who's feeling loose today? | |
| 04:41 | mason | damn, i thought we were all tight? |
| 04:42 | jesse, you and me are still tight, surely... ? | |
| 04:42 | pianohacker | Of course, bro |
| 04:42 | mason | sweet ;) |
| 04:43 | secretly, i thought so... | |
| 04:43 | but , was just checkin' | |
| 04:43 | pianohacker | hehehe |
| 04:45 | mason | 'loose worldwide consortium' |
| 04:46 | the 'loose worldwide consortium' of facebook users | |
| 04:46 | pianohacker | On that note, I should probably head out, getting a bit late |
| 04:46 | mason++ | |
| 04:47 | night, all | |
| 04:47 | chris | cya pianohacker |
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| 04:47 | kmkale | good morning all |
| 04:48 | chris | hi kmkale |
| 04:48 | kmkale | hi chris |
| 04:52 | mason | cya jesse |
| 04:52 | wow, sure was nice to catch-up with an old liblime workmate... | |
| 04:53 | chris | he is good value, his new sys prefs interface rules |
| 04:53 | mason | hi chris, kmkale |
| 04:55 | kmkale | hi mason |
| 04:56 | mason | yep, im greatfull every time i use it, which is often |
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| 05:26 | Amit | heya mason, kmkale |
| 05:27 | kmkale | hi Amit |
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| 06:46 | CGI152 | enable |
| 06:47 | logout | |
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| 08:01 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 08:05 | chris | hiya cait |
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| 08:14 | cait | hi chris |
| 08:14 | will you comment on the article? | |
| 08:15 | chris | i did, its waiting in moderation |
| 08:15 | i said those features (except holdings) are in 3.2 and its 3.2 not 3.1 | |
| 08:15 | i didnt comment on the site bit | |
| 08:16 | cait | ah ok :) |
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| 09:37 | eiro | hello koha people! |
| 09:47 | chris | hi eiro |
| 09:48 | cait | h eiro |
| 09:52 | * mason | waves |
| 09:52 | eiro | wow! mason, chris! long time not reading you. |
| 09:53 | how are you, guys ? | |
| 09:53 | mason | v. good here :) |
| 09:53 | raining, with storm warning.. | |
| 09:54 | chris | http://www.library.org.nz/cgi-[…]q=maori+battalion |
| 09:54 | mason | http://metservice.com/national/warnings/index |
| 09:54 | * chris | goes to catch a taxi home |
| 09:54 | eiro | oohhh ... we have our first sunny days of summer here! a shiny blue sky |
| 09:55 | mason | heh, lets swap! |
| 09:56 | eiro | no way mason! we just leave a very cold winter :-> |
| 09:56 | mason | and i setup a macbook with ubuntu last week, very happy |
| 09:56 | alt-tab switching is very snappy with default ubuntu | |
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| 09:57 | mason | faster than iterm+snow-lep switching anyhoo.. |
| 09:58 | eiro | ohhh ... i have to reinstall soon! i'm still under jaunty and it's borring to maintain my own debian packages for perl |
| 09:58 | mason | wow, so old |
| 09:59 | ubuntu seems to get better every release | |
| 09:59 | but i digress... | |
| 10:00 | eiro | yup ... btw i really would like to have the time to test another distrib. I really don't like the way ubuntu goes on. nixos and archlinux seems to be awesome |
| 10:00 | mason | hmm, dont? |
| 10:01 | actually, the ubuntu/kubuntu thing i just discovered! | |
| 10:01 | meaning i didnt release the difference was gnome/kde | |
| 10:02 | btw, i have not seen nixos or arch, ill try to have a look... | |
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| 10:05 | eiro | well ... archlinux tries a KISS approach the debian derrivatives begun to loose |
| 10:07 | mason | yeah, |
| 10:07 | as a desktop goes, i dont even wanna *have to* choose between ubuntu or kubuntu | |
| 10:08 | :) | |
| 10:08 | eiro | :-) |
| 10:09 | mason | package up a good working dev-stack, and ill use it |
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| 10:09 | mason | i also want to use what everyone is using too, so if i get stuck i can ask for help :) |
| 10:15 | eiro | well ... it's our production system and we did lot of stuff on debian. it's the only one reason |
| 10:20 | chris | back |
| 10:36 | cait | the new hlt catalog and website look nice |
| 10:40 | chris | thanks, katipo did the design work, catalyst did the koha upgrade |
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| 11:36 | gmcharlt | good morning |
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| 11:37 | jdavidb | Hello, #koha. |
| 11:39 | chris | morning jdavidb, jwagner and gmcharlt |
| 11:40 | http://www.library.org.nz/cgi-[…]q=maori+battalion (2nd load of the page should be faster than the first) | |
| 11:40 | jwagner | morning, all |
| 11:41 | cait | hi gmcharlt, jwagner and jdavidb |
| 11:41 | * jdavidb | waves to chris and cait. |
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| 11:48 | * cait | waves back |
| 11:49 | cait | :) |
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| 12:00 | gmcharlt | nahuel: reminder - please remove the https links from http://lists.koha-community.or[…]/mailman/listinfo |
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| 12:11 | nahuel | gmcharlt, fixed |
| 12:11 | gmcharlt | nahuel++ |
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| 12:15 | chris | thanks nahuel |
| 12:15 | nahuel | :) |
| 12:16 | owen | "Some of the enhancements to Koha currently available only in LibLime's Enterprise Koha include an integrated Zebra search engine" Wha? |
| 12:18 | chris | heh yeah |
| 12:19 | someone doesnt quite have his facts right | |
| 12:19 | owen | Not to mention "the official Koha Project release (currently 3.02)" That's what you get for getting all your facts from Liblime.com |
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| 12:33 | jwagner | owen, what link are you looking at? |
| 12:33 | owen | http://newsbreaks.infotoday.co[…]nd-Isnt-67309.asp |
| 12:37 | mason | Q: whats the historical default z39-server *port* ? is there one? |
| 12:38 | nahuel | mason, grep z3950 /etc/services |
| 12:38 | mason | http://bit.ly/cTK4y7 |
| 12:38 | gmcharlt | mason: 210 |
| 12:39 | mason | i was going with 210, ta |
| 12:40 | genji | wow... ptfs being publically honest.. |
| 12:40 | as upposed to liblime's tightlip. this is cool. | |
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| 12:43 | chris | genji: huh? |
| 12:44 | genji | liblime, if they released something, would claim things.. |
| 12:44 | ptfs, is doing the opposite. they are contributing. | |
| 12:46 | * owen | wonders how long it takes for comments to get approved on infotoday.com |
| 12:51 | genji | 3.0.6, hiding marc fields / subfields, works? |
| 12:52 | * owen | 's comment will probably be rejected as redundantly nit-picking |
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| 12:56 | chris | heh |
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| 13:12 | genji | hiya... can someone give me the opendns dns server ip numbers? |
| 13:13 | seems my isp's dns server is down.. so.. the connections i have open... are the only ones im going to get, unless i use ip numbers.. im thinking.. | |
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| 13:16 | bgkriegel | genji, http://pastebin.com/iFFY8iqu |
| 13:17 | genji | can't get pastebin |
| 13:17 | bgkriegel | sorry |
| 13:17 | genji | its a new connection with domain name not cached. |
| 13:17 | bgkriegel | auth1.opendns.com has address 208.69.39.2 |
| 13:17 | genji | thanks.. |
| 13:17 | bgkriegel | auth2.opendns.com has address 67.215.68.68 |
| 13:17 | auth3.opendns.com has address 208.69.39.2 | |
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| 13:21 | genji | no good |
| 13:22 | anyone got another dns server ip address? | |
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| 13:22 | joerg | hi |
| 13:22 | is koha a NZ based project? | |
| 13:22 | or is it just the server? | |
| 13:24 | genji | it was born in nz.. and the original developers still support it. |
| 13:24 | But, its a worldwide phenomena now. | |
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| 13:30 | bgkriegel | genji, |
| 13:30 | try 200.16.17.179 | |
| 13:31 | gmcharlt | jwagner_meeting: your account (reported by and CC list membership) is now linked up to all of the relevant bugs in the new BZ |
| 13:32 | genji | hmm. found something odd.. |
| 13:33 | my router isn't forwarding dns requests anymore... | |
| 13:33 | its not my isp... | |
| 13:33 | bgkriegel | sounds bad |
| 13:33 | genji | i grabbed my isp's dns... put them into my linux boxes resov.conf.. |
| 13:33 | it worked... | |
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| 13:49 | gmcharlt | owen: could you take a look at koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/tools/batchMod-del.tmpl |
| 13:49 | your patch for 4443 appears to have introduced a structural error in the template logic | |
| 13:49 | owen | Sure |
| 13:50 | gmcharlt | thanks |
| 13:52 | sekjal | Are files uploaded to Koha via the GUI encrypted or hashed in any way? |
| 13:53 | owen | Thanks for the reminder gmcharlt . I saw your note in the bug report but lost track of it in my to-do list |
| 13:53 | gmcharlt | sekjal: which files? uploaded how? |
| 13:54 | sekjal | for example, if a library uploaded a CSV of borrower information with plaintext passwords, would that pose a security risk? |
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| 13:55 | sekjal | gmchartl: mostly concerned with borrower import information, but really any file uploaded from a librarian desktop to their Koha server via the GUI |
| 13:59 | gmcharlt | ah |
| 13:59 | the "GUI" wording threw me off | |
| 13:59 | such files aren't encrypted on the server | |
| 13:59 | if the library is concerned about transport-layer security | |
| 14:00 | they could enable SSL for the staff interface | |
| 14:00 | sekjal | thanks, gmcharlt. exactly what I needed to know. |
| 14:16 | joerg | cool....I have been to NZ last year :) and probably gonna come back for summer in the beginning of next year.... |
| 14:17 | anyway has anybody tried that 3.0.x virtualbox image? | |
| 14:17 | just downloaded it because I thought that should be the easiest way to get an impression of koha.... | |
| 14:17 | unfortunately it does not boot (grub reports error 18) | |
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| 14:31 | rhcl | Hi cait |
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| 14:36 | libtek | Good morning. I've come in today to find my Koha server unresponsive in the browser. I can't bring up the web services at all, yet I can ping and remote in just fine. I've tried restarting apache (sudo apache2ctl restart), but that didn't make any difference. Anyone have any ideas what to try next? |
| 14:36 | I just get a "webpage can not be found" error page. | |
| 14:37 | For both staff and opac. | |
| 14:38 | owen | libtek: And you were able to reach Koha before? |
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| 14:41 | bgkriegel | libtek: can be a dns problem? |
| 14:42 | wizzyrea | says he can ping, but doesn't say if by name or by number |
| 14:42 | anything in the apache logs? | |
| 14:44 | libtek | We are not using a dns for this box. Doing all testing strictly by IP. IP hasn't changed. Where would I find apache logs? Not seeing them in /etc/apache2/ |
| 14:44 | bgkriegel | no, look on /var/log/apache2 |
| 14:45 | and on /var/log/koha | |
| 14:47 | libtek | I'm seeing many lines in the error.log for apache that say "[error] [client 10.100.30.72] File does not exist: /htdocs" (72 is my workstation) |
| 14:52 | Not seeing anything in the koha error logs since Friday when I was last on. | |
| 14:53 | wizzyrea | it dosn't do anything or it times out with file not found or... |
| 14:53 | oh, nm, reading fail | |
| 14:53 | sudo a2dissite default | |
| 14:54 | sounds to me like your default site is irritating your koha install | |
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| 14:58 | libtek | Hmmm...I thought I disabled my default site. I'll try disabling it again.... |
| 14:58 | already disabled | |
| 14:59 | bgkriegel | and your koha site is enabled? look on /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 15:01 | libtek | yep |
| 15:04 | mason | apache debugging is a bitch... :/ |
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| 15:05 | mason | sudo apache2ctl -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS |
| 15:06 | thats the command that helps me find my complex apache-conf errors | |
| 15:06 | and the apache access/error logs files too | |
| 15:07 | helps to reveal fall-thru errors in your apache's vhost blocks | |
| 15:08 | bgkriegel | are things ok to "sudo apache2ctl configtest"? |
| 15:08 | pastebot | "libtek" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "sudo apache2ctl -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS results" (5 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/15 |
| 15:08 | mason | ahhhh... |
| 15:09 | libtek | I'm seeing this "NameVitualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts" |
| 15:09 | mason | '127.0.1.1:80' should be *:80 etc. |
| 15:10 | 127.* means that you can only access koha via loopback interface? | |
| 15:11 | you should be using the example koha-httpd.conf files | |
| 15:13 | sounds like you just need to remember what to unbreak | |
| 15:15 | libtek | I'll look at the .conf file... |
| 15:17 | mason | whatever caused the 127.* mod is prolly when it got broke :) |
| 15:19 | a | |
| 15:19 | b | |
| 15:19 | c | |
| 15:19 | d | |
| 15:19 | e | |
| 15:19 | libtek | questions is, which do I look at..I'm not sure which copy is the active koha-httpd.conf file. I have 5 that I have found |
| 15:19 | mason | lol |
| 15:20 | remove *all* but one ;) | |
| 15:20 | and start with that one... | |
| 15:21 | libtek | any suggestion which one to keep? Where should it be living? |
| 15:21 | mason | then you def. know which one is active! |
| 15:21 | lives in /etc/apache/site-enabled | |
| 15:21 | start with just 1 file.. | |
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| 15:22 | jwagner | gmcharlt, thanks for the BZ reset |
| 15:23 | mason | a config error in the other conf files, can cause weird behaviour in your *correct* config file |
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| 15:24 | libtek | not here...I have it in the /build/koha-2.00.06/blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/, and /build/koha-3.00.06/etc/ folders, (also same folders for ver 3.00.02) and then in /etc/koha |
| 15:24 | I am assuming it would be the one in /etc/koha | |
| 15:24 | mason | something your conf file can be OK, its another one thats causing the problem |
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| 15:25 | libtek | I also have a file that came up on the locate /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf_koha_3_00_02_12. I am wondering if that was created during the upgrade? |
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| 15:27 | bgkriegel | libtek: yes, thats the type of renaming of the upgrade |
| 15:27 | mason | erm, /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ is the correct dir |
| 15:28 | libtek | this file is ringing a bell. I think I had replaced the local address with the actual address of the box. |
| 15:28 | bgkriegel | may be you need to replace your new koha-httpd.conf with the old one |
| 15:28 | mason | cp /build/koha-3.00.06/etc/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache/sites-enabled |
| 15:29 | apache2ctl restart ;) | |
| 15:29 | oops, /etc/apache2/sites-enabled | |
| 15:30 | bgkriegel | if prefer to link it, ln -s /etc/koha/koha-httpd.con /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha, and then a2ensite koha |
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| 15:30 | mason | im appling the KISS method |
| 15:31 | appling spelling! :/ | |
| 15:31 | libtek | the only thing in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled is koha. Nothing else. So, I'll put a copy of this file in there, and I'll modify it ensuring the box's address is specifically used, and then restart apache. |
| 15:31 | bgkriegel | :) |
| 15:33 | mason | yeah, IP:80 or *:80 should do it |
| 15:38 | libtek | Can't seem to copy the file to the sites-enabled folder for some reason. |
| 15:38 | bgkriegel | permissions? |
| 15:39 | libtek | using sudo. Shouldn't be an issue. Not throwing up an error. |
| 15:42 | mason | ah, just clicked.. its a koha2 and 3 on one box |
| 15:47 | libtek | I am back up and running. Thanks guys. That was good to learn. |
| 15:48 | mason | nice one! ;) |
| 15:51 | libtek | I have a logistics question I'd like to ask you guys about types and collections, if you have a moment. |
| 15:56 | I know that item type is used to define circulation rules (i.e. checkout length and fines,etc). However, I notice that in advanced search, you can filter your search by type. What kinds of types do you use? How do you deal with things like this: You have a type called BOOK that checks out for 28 days, but you have a type called NEW that checks out for 14 days. Do you end up with both of these types in the advanced search? Se | |
| 15:56 | cait | @karma |
| 15:56 | munin | cait: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (145), "chris" (132), and "owen" (108). Lowest karma: "<!" (-57), "failed" (-39), and "-" (-25). You (cait) are ranked 26 out of 844. |
| 15:57 | libtek | Is there anyway to define circulation rules around something other than type? |
| 15:57 | jdavidb | @karma |
| 15:57 | munin | jdavidb: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (145), "chris" (132), and "owen" (108). Lowest karma: "<!" (-57), "failed" (-39), and "-" (-25). You (jdavidb) are ranked 12 out of 844. |
| 15:57 | jdavidb | 12? wow. |
| 15:57 | cait | :) |
| 15:57 | owen | libtek: You can't define circ rules around anything but itemtype, but you can configure collection codes as alternative categories |
| 15:58 | collection codes don't have any bearing on circulation, but you can set up the opac advanced search to filter on them | |
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| 16:00 | libtek | owen: Is this how you do it? I saw that, but it just seemed kinda backwards to set collection codes to be the formats to sort by. |
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| 16:01 | owen | libtek: We have a few broad categories for circulation rules: General, audio-visual, non-circulating |
| 16:01 | Then we have collection codes to define many genre/audience categories like Adult Fiction, Mystery, Juvenile non-fiction, etc. | |
| 16:01 | libtek | owen?: not to say it is wrong, or that you are backwards ;) |
| 16:02 | I see... | |
| 16:02 | Okay...that gives me something to chew on. Thanks for the input. | |
| 16:03 | owen: what is the address to your catalog? Do you mind me looking at what you've done? | |
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| 16:03 | owen | http://search.myacpl.org |
| 16:03 | libtek | thanks |
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| 16:04 | owen | Personally I think we've got too many collection codes, but revisiting it is too complicated at the moment |
| 16:07 | libtek | It's great. Really gives me an idea and direction. Thanks again. |
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| 16:17 | cait | @roulette |
| 16:17 | munin | *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! |
| 16:17 | * munin | reloads and spins the chambers. |
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| 16:18 | jdavidb | @roulette |
| 16:18 | munin | jdavidb: *click* |
| 16:18 | cait | @roulette |
| 16:18 | munin | cait: *click* |
| 16:18 | jdavidb | rats. |
| 16:18 | @roulette | |
| 16:18 | munin | jdavidb: *click* |
| 16:18 | cait | @roulette |
| 16:18 | munin | *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! |
| 16:18 | * munin | reloads and spins the chambers. |
| 16:18 | cait | bad day? |
| 16:18 | jdavidb | less-than-stellar. |
| 16:18 | * cait | sends some chocolate |
| 16:19 | jdavidb | thanks. :) |
| 16:22 | hdl_laptop | jwagner_meeting: not there... |
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| 17:44 | pianohacker | good morning |
| 17:44 | jwagner_meeting | a pianohacker sighting! We've missed you! |
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| 17:45 | pianohacker | Woah there. Hi jwagner |
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| 17:49 | jwagner | Where have you been, Jesse? |
| 17:50 | pianohacker | School :P |
| 17:50 | joetho | Senior in high school? in May? |
| 17:50 | pianohacker | Just graduated :) |
| 17:50 | joetho | banquets |
| 17:50 | awards assemblies | |
| 17:50 | pranks | |
| 17:51 | ditching sixth hour | |
| 17:51 | pianohacker | Ahah, not for this online school hermit. Mainly, they were keeping me busy with, well, schoolwork |
| 17:51 | joetho | I'm not even close, am I |
| 17:51 | getting caught up with three years worth of assignments? | |
| 17:52 | anyway congratulations. | |
| 17:52 | jwagner | Yes indeed, congrats on the graduation. Where are you headed next? |
| 17:52 | pianohacker | Thanks. School of Mines, here in colorado |
| 17:52 | * jdavidb | waves to pianohacker. |
| 17:52 | joetho | hey my brother in law went there |
| 17:52 | pianohacker | hi jdavidb |
| 17:52 | Oh, hey cool | |
| 17:53 | jwagner | I'm somewhat familiar with New Mexico school of mines, but not Colorado's |
| 17:53 | joetho | no, he divorced my sister after 35 years of marriage. Don't learn that. |
| 17:53 | * gmcharlt | sneaks around pianohacker and chains him to #koha |
| 17:53 | pianohacker | haha |
| 17:53 | gah! | |
| 17:53 | joetho | Preferences interface. |
| 17:53 | * jdavidb | adds duct tape to gmcharlt's chains, Just In Case. |
| 17:53 | pianohacker | you'll never take me alive! |
| 17:53 | jwagner | gmcharlt, you could accomplish the same thing by assigning all the open bug reports to him. |
| 17:54 | * joetho | says chains come in many flavors |
| 17:54 | jwagner | chocolate? |
| 17:54 | joetho | sure |
| 17:54 | pianohacker | Hey, chocolate works |
| 17:55 | owen | Hey pianohacker! |
| 17:55 | pianohacker | Hi owen |
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| 18:10 | collum | owen: just checked infotoday and your and chris' comments were published. |
| 18:12 | owen | Interesting...the author's response to my comment doesn't seem to have any bearing to what I wrote. |
| 18:13 | joetho | i noticed that |
| 18:13 | collum | yep. I noticed that, as well. |
| 18:13 | joetho | which is odd, considering what he wrote in the first place |
| 18:13 | the world is a funny place | |
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| 18:19 | libtek | owen: are you available? |
| 18:19 | owen | Yes |
| 18:19 | libtek | What version of Koha are you running? |
| 18:20 | owen | Our library's installation is based on HEAD, but is a few months behind it. Koha reports itself as 3.01.00.061 |
| 18:21 | libtek | HEAD? |
| 18:21 | What is that? | |
| 18:22 | owen | It's one of two main branches of Koha development |
| 18:22 | libtek | ah... |
| 18:22 | owen | The stable branch results in 3.0.6. HEAD, the unstable branch, will eventually be 3.2 |
| 18:22 | By the way you can check any Koha OPAC's self-reported version number by viewing source on an OPAC page | |
| 18:23 | You'll see this tag near the top: <meta name="generator" content="Koha 3.0100061" /> | |
| 18:25 | libtek | I was trying to figure out why my advanced search screen structure looks different than yours. I'm noticing that I get an extra line on the limit section that says "Limit type to: match any of the folowing:" just below the line that says "Limit to any of the following:" I also get a second version coming from who knows what source when I select "[More options]" at the bottom of the screen. |
| 18:26 | I'm going to have to look at the files that structure this page. | |
| 18:26 | owen | What version are you on? |
| 18:26 | libtek | I see the source info. Thanks for the clue. |
| 18:26 | I am on 3.00.06. | |
| 18:27 | * owen | thinks one of these days he'll get a 3.0.x installation running for testing |
| 18:29 | libtek | /etc |
| 18:29 | oops | |
| 18:32 | pianohacker | Heh, at least it wasn't 'Password: ' |
| 18:33 | libtek | I'm not completely:) |
| 18:33 | ug! | |
| 18:45 | chris | morning |
| 18:46 | pianohacker | morning chris |
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| 18:58 | rhcl | pianohacker: are you the coder of Powerline? |
| 18:59 | pianohacker | rhcl: Yes I am |
| 18:59 | Working on at this very moment, in fact | |
| 19:00 | rhcl | ic. Somebody emailed me about it this AM wanting some help and I was wondering about the status of the project. |
| 19:00 | pianohacker | rhcl: It's been languishing for a while. I've been working on it in my spare time, but there hadn't been much of that |
| 19:01 | The previous version is pretty stable, but requires a little work to install | |
| 19:01 | rhcl | Yea, so I gathered from your posts. |
| 19:01 | pianohacker | Heh, yes |
| 19:02 | rhcl: However, 0.4 is in the works, and has the potential to be awesome | |
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| 19:15 | wizzyrea | omg pianohacker! |
| 19:15 | * wizzyrea | pounces pianohacker with a huge hug |
| 19:18 | jwagner | That's probably more pleasant than the chains and duct tape that gmcharlt and jdavidb threatened him with.... |
| 19:19 | pianohacker | Hahaha |
| 19:19 | Hi wizzy | |
| 19:20 | gmcharlt | jwagner: just different kinds of bonding, is all ;) |
| 19:21 | jwagner | No bondage now, this is a family show..... |
| 19:21 | wizzyrea | no duct taping of the pianohacker. |
| 19:21 | gmcharlt: o. m. g. that was the funniest thing I've read all day | |
| 19:22 | * pianohacker | smiles uncomfortably |
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| 19:38 | wizzyrea | @wunder 66047 |
| 19:38 | munin | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 29.8�C (2:41 PM CDT on May 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:38 | wizzyrea | bleh. 64% humidity. Could be worse I guess but still icky |
| 19:39 | er | |
| 19:39 | st-icky | |
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| 19:43 | owen | @wunder 45701 |
| 19:43 | munin | owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 26.7�C (3:46 PM EDT on May 24, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady). |
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| 19:46 | chrisdroid | Gah its disgusting out there |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | our nasty hot weather or your nasty cold weather? |
| 19:47 | chrisdroid | Ill take the hot, its not cold here just wet |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | oh I saw snow and thought it must be cold, but that must be further south |
| 19:48 | chrisdroid | ps I freaking love my phone |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 19:48 | chrisdroid | Yeah we just get the rain |
| 19:48 | cait | duct tape? bondage? |
| 19:48 | * cait | fleeing |
| 19:48 | * owen | is torn: hates the heat, but likes to be able to send the kids out to play |
| 19:48 | chrisdroid | Lol |
| 19:49 | cait | bye all |
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| 19:50 | chrisdroid | Kahu loves the rain, his mum .... not so much |
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| 19:53 | chrisdroid | Hi nengard |
| 19:54 | nengard | hello droid :) |
| 19:54 | chrisdroid | Heh |
| 19:54 | Milestone is too long | |
| 19:56 | AndChat is the irc app I'm using it doesn't suck | |
| 19:57 | nengard | yeah i have it too |
| 19:57 | chrisdroid | Tell you what I hate |
| 19:57 | nengard | but i can't type on the phone that easily |
| 19:57 | ? | |
| 19:57 | chrisdroid | The gmail app top posts |
| 19:57 | I hate that | |
| 19:57 | nengard | hehe |
| 19:58 | chrisdroid | You have a hardware keyboard eh? |
| 19:58 | owen | Yeah, the iPhone mail app is no better in that regard... it's a pain to compose a decent reply |
| 19:59 | nengard | chrisdroid, no - touch screen only |
| 19:59 | chrisdroid | I think ill switch my gmail to imap and use k9 mail |
| 20:00 | Ahh the hardware keyboard is why I got the milestone | |
| 20:01 | Can't irc on the bus otherwise :) | |
| 20:02 | Ahh bus full of wet ppl, I love winter :S | |
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| 20:08 | mib_i618e8 | testing the mibbit widget |
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| 20:08 | owen | Why do people feel the need to do that? |
| 20:08 | chrisdroid | Ok time to get off |
| 20:08 | wizzyrea | to make sure it works, apparently |
| 20:08 | chrisdroid | Cyas in about 5 min |
| 20:08 | wizzyrea | l8r |
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| 20:09 | owen | Maybe mibbit employs teams of mibbit-testers to crawl the web and test mibbit widgets |
| 20:09 | wizzyrea | mibbit testers |
| 20:09 | surely there is some job at mibbit that has this title | |
| 20:10 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
| 20:10 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 35.1�C (3:10 PM CDT on May 24, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 8 PM CDT this evening... |
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| 20:13 | owen | Ciao #koha |
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| 20:13 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 20:13 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.1�C (1:12 PM PDT on May 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Falling). |
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| 20:16 | chris | back |
| 20:19 | brendan | heya chris |
| 20:19 | good morning | |
| 20:19 | chris | hey brendan |
| 20:29 | pianohacker | Hi brendan |
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| 20:30 | richard | hi |
| 20:34 | brendan | yo pianohacker |
| 20:34 | (spelt it right too) | |
| 20:34 | :) | |
| 20:34 | heya richard | |
| 20:35 | richard | hi brendan |
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| 20:59 | mib_mike | hi chris |
| 21:00 | remember that overstuffed /tmp directory I had Friday? | |
| 21:01 | I decided to follow your reboot suggestion on Monday (today) but delete some cgisess files in the mean time. | |
| 21:01 | chris | yup |
| 21:01 | that tidy anything up? | |
| 21:01 | mib_mike | I couldn't just rm /tmp/* it gave me an error |
| 21:01 | too many arguments. | |
| 21:01 | I had to write a shell script to delete files | |
| 21:01 | It ran all night. | |
| 21:02 | In fact by Monday morning, it had only deleted half the files. | |
| 21:02 | chris | yeah, theres something seriously wrong there |
| 21:02 | mib_mike | So I rebooted this morning. It took 4 hours to reboot. |
| 21:02 | chris | holy crap |
| 21:02 | i think you have HD issues | |
| 21:02 | mib_mike | It got stuck just after the "mount local file system" stage. |
| 21:02 | larsw | deleting files can be quite slow, especially if there are a lot of them, or they're very big |
| 21:03 | mib_mike | I figured it was still deleting files. |
| 21:03 | chris | is it happier now? |
| 21:03 | mib_mike | Temp is now empty |
| 21:04 | I just finished running an index and I'm still getting that "MARC: Bad directory/ Bad offsets in data. Skiping rest" message | |
| 21:04 | the fsck during boot came up clean. | |
| 21:05 | larsw | at least on Debian systems, /tmp does get cleaned up right after local filesystems are mounted, so your assumption about deleting files was probably right |
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| 21:06 | mib_mike | After the fact I decided I would have done better to boot from a cd, and remove, and recreate the /tmp directory. |
| 21:06 | But who would have guessed? | |
| 21:07 | pianohacker | mib_mike: index meaning rebuild_zebra? |
| 21:07 | mib_mike | Yes, index, meaning rebuild_zebra |
| 21:08 | I did a google search on "Marc: Bad Directory" and it pointed me here: http://www.indexdata.com/zebra[…]rc_8c_source.html | |
| 21:08 | larsw | mib_mike, rebooting from cd would not have made removing /tmp any faster, I think |
| 21:08 | mib_mike | Is this the underlying c code for the zebra indexer? |
| 21:08 | pianohacker | likely |
| 21:09 | mib_mike: It looks like you might have a bad MARC buried in your database | |
| 21:09 | Try rebuilding with the -x and -nosanitize parameters | |
| 21:09 | mib_mike | Can you elaborate on those options? |
| 21:10 | pianohacker | That'll tell it to rebuild using a MARCXML dump, rather than ISO2709. -nosanitize tells it to just dump the saved marcxml, rather than creating it from the MARC record |
| 21:11 | mib_mike | Aside from maybe getting the indexing to finish, what effect will this have on koha? |
| 21:11 | pianohacker | Very little |
| 21:12 | Your rebuilds will be insanely faster | |
| 21:12 | larsw | is there a tool to verify marc records so mib_mike can find the offensive one? |
| 21:13 | pianohacker | If a bad MARCXML slips into the db, they'll also be insanely broken, but with my library's db created from an import, and some time in koha 2.2 and 3.0, that hasn't happened yet |
| 21:13 | larsw: There's marclint, but you'd need to narrow it down painstakingly using the marclint tool. | |
| 21:13 | *export tool | |
| 21:13 | mib_mike | chris or someone pointed me to marclint, which takes a bit of scripting to use. |
| 21:14 | pianohacker | I'm not sure whether it works with batches of records, offhand |
| 21:14 | mib_mike | what does "insanely broken" mean, in terms of functionality |
| 21:14 | pianohacker | Just that the rebuilds will fail |
| 21:14 | If you have cron and mailing set up, it'd send an error email to you | |
| 21:14 | mib_mike | My rebuilds are failing now, so... |
| 21:14 | pianohacker | So you have little to lose |
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| 21:15 | mib_mike | mail is probably set up to go to the wrong place. |
| 21:15 | larsw | having a tool to verify at least syntactic correctness of records seems like an obvious thing to build, for someone, someday |
| 21:15 | pianohacker | If marclint works with batches of records, then you could just run it on sets of records using its range options, and gradually narrow it down |
| 21:16 | larsw: Yeah. Of course, saying such things will lead to a request for a patch :) | |
| 21:16 | larsw | pianohacker, indeed |
| 21:16 | * larsw | is hoping that it will lead to someone paying his employer to write the, of course ;-) |
| 21:17 | pianohacker | well, yeah |
| 21:17 | mib_mike | If I wanted to write that script, I'd run marclint on the marc field of the biblioitems table? |
| 21:17 | pianohacker | I think marclint just runs on ISO2709 files |
| 21:18 | So export from koha, then run it on the exported file | |
| 21:18 | mib_mike | Well, yeah, but if it's going to be a web script... |
| 21:19 | But the marc field is the one to check, right, not marcxml? | |
| 21:19 | pianohacker | Yes |
| 21:19 | mib_mike | Great. Thanks again everybody. |
| 21:22 | larsw | mib_mike, oh, one more thing about /tmp: you should find out what causes the large amount of data there, and fix that, but it might also be practical to run the tmpreaper program (or something similar on non-Debian) to clean up /tmp occasionally |
| 21:24 | mib_mike | The large number of files in /tmp was caused by setting koha up to use session files rather than a database for session info. |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | larsw: it was CGI_SESSx type stuff |
| 21:24 | ^^ | |
| 21:24 | larsw | ok |
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| 21:24 | mib_mike | I suppose a warning about running something to clear /tmp periodically if you use session files would be a good thing, but it probably |
| 21:25 | would have been ignored in this case anyway. | |
| 21:25 | libtek | Anyone running 3.06? |
| 21:26 | mib_mike | Wow these parameters really do mean a fast rebuild_zebra - I'm already past the point where it used to crash. |
| 21:27 | libtek | mib_mike: what parameters are you using? |
| 21:28 | mib_mike | pianohacker just suggested I use -x and -nosanitize |
| 21:29 | libtek | Is this a rebuild for your crontab or just single use? |
| 21:30 | mib_mike | I'm doing it manually right now, but my cron job isn't reindexing either, so until I can track down the bad marc, I'll have to switch the cronjob too |
| 21:31 | pianohacker | mib_mike: If you know exactly when the cronjob started failing (or even close) you can look at the zebraqueue to see which bibs were modified before that |
| 21:31 | mib_mike | That's a good idea, pianohacker! Thanks again. |
| 21:32 | By the way, does anybody know if there is any garbage collection in the session database? I'm not going to have the same problem in my mysql in a few months, am I | |
| 21:33 | libtek | to anyone - I'm trying to find out if there is a way to customize the hold slips for triggered holds for just one library, and not globally. Is it possible, or am I just dreaming? |
| 21:33 | pianohacker | There's a cleanup_database script you can use |
| 21:33 | libtek: I don't think there's much notice customization per-library at the moment | |
| 21:34 | brendan | pianohacker++ ##I think it's your show today - way to go |
| 21:35 | libtek | hmmm....maybe I can hack the template to output a certain way based on IP? |
| 21:36 | pianohacker | libtek: I _think_ the logged in user's branch is sent to the template |
| 21:36 | You can use a bit of tmpl_if expr here, since it's a hack :) | |
| 21:36 | mib_mike | Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in. |
| 21:36 | pianohacker | hehehe |
| 21:36 | mib_mike | mf_write: isambD error (4) no more space |
| 21:36 | Adjust the limits in your zebra.cfg | |
| 21:37 | any clue what limits I need to adjust? | |
| 21:37 | pianohacker | mib_mike: Wow, okay, you have a lot of bibs. There's a few places in the zebra-biblios.cfg file in your koha configuration file where it has things like ':4G'; just increase those |
| 21:38 | hdl_laptop | chris: there ? |
| 21:39 | mib_mike | pianohacker: Where is zebra.cfg? |
| 21:41 | larsw | mib_mike, usually in /etc/koha somewhere (might be called zebra-something.cfg) |
| 21:43 | bgkriegel | mib_mike, look on /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg, the lines begining with register and shadow |
| 21:43 | mib_mike | Thanks, bgkriegle |
| 21:47 | O.K. I'm about to "re-run using the -s and -d parameters" Do I need any other parameters to start at the merging process? | |
| 21:47 | pianohacker | Ah, you might still want the -x and -nosanitize, but nothing else I can think of |
| 21:47 | mib_mike | check! |
| 21:50 | hdl_laptop | mib_mike: you could also use the noshadow.... |
| 21:50 | iirc it is -w | |
| 21:51 | check also that you have anough space on your disk | |
| 21:51 | (simple 'sanity' check, but quite usefull) | |
| 21:54 | mib_mike | Do I have to restart the zebra daemon after changing zebra-biblios.cfg? |
| 21:56 | pianohacker | No, don't think so |
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